When did fantasy stop being grounded to become DnDslop?
>>97699290Well, first off, DND was always rather grounded. World of Warcraft was the beginning of the enshittification of fantasy aesthetics, with big cartoony armor, extremely vibrant pastel colors, and everything looking neat and clean, with scale going right out the fucking window.This comparison pretty much seals the deal. People seem to completely underestimate how influential and massive WoW was, now that it's been fallen off for the last 10 years.
>>97699290>groundedThe average person's idea of "grounded" is less accurate than fantasy.
>>97699307Top is pretty boring. Post planescape art instead.
>>97699307FPBPBlizzslop is gay as hell
>>97699290Never>t. WFRP 2e chad
>>97699327That's because you're a serotonin-chasing cretin who has no appreciation for aesthetic or artistic verisimilitude.
>>97699290>When did fantasy stop being grounded to become DnDslop?When you stopped making your fantasy games and stories grounded, and the fact that you never moved past D&D.
>>97699290Late 3.5 edition transitioning into 4th Edition.>>97699307Blizzard was the incubator when Warcraft III codified the basic aesthetics of modern High Fantasy, but it was League of Legends and the legions of phone games like Clash of Clans that pushes it hard into becoming mainstream, with Age of Sigmar and D&D 4th edition opening the floodgates onto tabletop proper.Curiously, the actual Warcraft RPG based on 3.5th edition is closer to Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay in tone, with your average PCs being grizzled mercenaries exploring a strange new world barely still on its feet after the conclusion to a near-apocalyptic demon war.
>>97699351a man that calls himself a chad is no chad.
>>97699290>Fantasy was grounded.Have you somehow never touched any piece of Arthurian fiction?
>>97699307I greatly prefer the top, I love action shots and dynamism in general, but the bottom is pretty damn good as far as modern art goes; still a touch too gay and saturated for my tastes, though. If the firbolg and the tiefling looked like they fit in, it would be almost perfect. The image doesn't fall into the trap that makes the characters look like they know they're getting their picture taken; it looks like they're taking a break from travel, and meandering about while planning their next course.
>>97699290Depends on if you mean art or just as a whole. Mechanically speaking, 3e/3.5e really amped up the high fantasy aspects by focusing more on spellcasting and codifying magic items into progression.
Why don’t people just play world of darkness if they want something grounded
>>97699566They dont want something grounded, this is a thinly veiled culture war thread where people signal their approval for the based old time (that actually never existed)
>>97699545The only thing OP and this tard >>97699307 touched was dicks.
Personally high fantasy is the standard and should always be the standard. Dragon balls for laif.
>>97699566Okay, well:1 - What the fuck are you talking about referring to World of Darkness as "grounded"? Shit's a circus.2 - Why are you implying that people should go play one singular game for something "grounded"?3 - Implying that one singular game should be the "grounded one" that all the "grounded" fantasy players go to so you can revel in your dipshit nostalgia-driven childhood wonderment is annoying, and space-invading. Kill yourself, preferably with a hot iron, and stop ruining tabletop RPG's with your utmost niggertard faggotry.
>>97699637Is this what trying too hard looks like
>>97699517> Curiously, the actual Warcraft RPG based on 3.5th edition is closer to Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay in toneSounds really bad.
>>97699614High fantasy can be grounded. I think the term you're looking for is "childish". You want "childish" fantasy. Like Alice in Wonderland, or The Wizard of Oz, or The Chronicles of Narnia.
>>97699290Retard
>here’s your low fantasy bro
>>97699307Soul vs. pronounpunk...
>>97699683A proper English slag.
>>97699637Did he die?
>>97699307>World of Warcraft was the beginning of the enshittification of fantasy aesthetics, with big cartoony armor, extremely vibrant pastel colors, and everything looking neat and clean, with scale going right out the fucking window."World of Warcraft" is a funny way of saying "LotR movies trilogy". The only thing wow is to blame is the shitty huge pauldrons that plague modern fantasy.
>>97699735Well yeah, because he didn't say that, because that wasn't the problem. Warcraft was.
>>97699666It's a fascinating look into the zenith of the pre-WoW era back when the setting wasn't being contorted to fit gameplay concerns. Concepts like D&D-style Drow eventually ended up evolving into the Nightborne and it hinted at a world where the major factions were only beginning to understand it beyond their bubbles of isolation.
>>97699290Complainers put too much emphasis on modern art styles and politics. DnD became slop because WotC writers were hacks who couldn't create a game that was rewarding in just being played, so they had to resort to video-game gimmicks like carrot on a stick and bloat progression. >"kids these days have a short attention span" Nah, boomer, you're just boring.
>>97700993>as a mac userlolthis is the great champion of the Warcraft aesthetic?
>>97699505Buddy, when you say the person complaining about the problem, is the problem, you only tell everyone that you are on the side of Current Year shitters who think OP's bottom pic is better.
>>97699584>(that actually never existed)It did, you're retarded
>>97699290Fantasy was pretty varied before, it's pretty varied now. Majority of anything, especially anything even somewhat pooular, is always slop and has always been, but it's not like DnD is all there is to fantasy today.
>>97699290>fantasy>grounded
>>97699290FUCK grounded fantasy. I want larger than life fantasy with flying wizard cities, citadels of darkness and doom, planar travels to strange places and cosmic cataclysms in the darkness of space.
>>97701169Based Age of Sigmar enjoyer.
>>97701178if you dont think this looks cool, i feel sorry for you
>>97699290How did this topic affect your last traditional games session?
>>97699307who is the artist of the top image? I love some old school D&D art
>>97699290As many people have pointed out. It was more of Warcraft and Warhammer that push the DNDslop more than DND itself. Though I think 4e and 5e made DND the full blown slop fest even past Warcraft. (Every species has to have every human race in it. (Other than the white male unless it's a villain or is gay.)Doesn't help the theater and drama club rejects invaded and took over along with the queers and karens cause the idea of not gatekeeping and letting everyone in was in at the time. So once they got some power, they purge the old guard and gatekept hard. Hints why fantasy is mostly shit now and old games, books, shows, etc are beating new shit which is just a bad romances novel with some magic, or just with elves, manotaurs, vampires, and werewolves. That or taking the old IPs they have rights over and race/sex changing everything so the last white men in it are just the idiot and the villain. Or the classic sequel series where it the same shit but this time a woman is the real chosen one and the last one wasn't the true one or was to be the teacher to her. If they don't make him the villain or dead father. Hints why I drop most western media outside of some good indies like Kamen America and Rippaverse. (Also just got my new Blade Devil and Cyberpop comics and been loving those.)
>>97701223if oldschool shit failed to keep customer interest, it deserved to die. Simple as. Should have bought more product.
>>97701192I was not being facetious in the least
>>97701229........ So is that why woke white women writers complain still that their books don't sell as well as compared to classic series like LOTR, Moorcock, Dragonlance, Lovecraft, Conan, etc. Hell Manga alone takes over a good part of bookstores compare to modern fantasy.
>>97701244Fair. Its hard to make the difference in this place, considering the general discourse around AoS. Though lately i find myself pulled more in the more "cosmic" direction, instead of the more god-wars focussed one we get in Sigmar. I crave stuff kinda like Spelljammer, but not as zeisty pirate adventure in the astral plane and more about the cold vastness of infinity and comic horror. Funnily enough Warcraft of all the places is currently scratching that itch with its new expansion, pic related being the skybox in its new final zone.
>>97701277Janny application status?
>>97701284Cry more, wannabe janny.
>>97701288>n-no u!lelYou can do better than that, fakejanny.
>>97701284KEK
>>97701306Well why dont you ban me with your janny powers then?
>>97699327Planescape was always gay and retarded, it's where the tiefling cancer began.
>>97699584Mindbroken.
>>97701223>cause the idea of not gatekeeping and letting everyone in was in at the timeWhat do you think could have been done to gatekeep, retard? You're always bitching about others not doing it but you never say what could have been done.
>>97699307Truth. It's incredible how a simple style choice meant to fit into low poly aesthetics turned into such a malignant cancer combined with worst aspects of corpoRAT eggshell walking.
>>97701682>>97701682right is fan art of the goofy Hearthstone style, not a official blizzard piece. Pic related is their most recent artwork.
>>97702148>over-designed turbo-garbageThey absolutely refuse to make anything decent anymore.
>>97699327absolute pleb tier opinion
>>97702260i am glad """"people"""" like you and your shit boomer taste are effectively gatekept.
>>97699307trueit's weird how people pick a random cut off point and assume nothing before it matters. Maybe it's just 12 year olds.>>97699545what?Athurian fiction is pretty much the lowest fantasy tier by modern standards. It wasn't even that crazy when compared to greek and nordic myths.
>>97702302Except I'm not being gatekept, and I'm actively gatekeeping retarded little zoomer nigger-shits with zero taste such as yourself. Cope and seethe about your talentless "Artists" making slop for you and thinking it's good, lmao.
>>97702432>I'm actively gatekeepingIsnt the point of this thread that you want your slop to become mainstream instead of high fantasy?
>>97701565Or maybe it was you who was always gay and retarded.
>>97699290I don't know if grounded is the right word here but I think I know what you mean
>>97701052I wasn't going to mention that I make my own games, because pathetic retards like to use that as ammo for other shitty deflections, but I just wanted to let you know that I moved on from D&D years ago not only because of how trash it is, but also because of how you just can't talk to any of its fans about actual game design, because they're all about "re-rewrite what y-you don't l-like" or "f-find another g-group".And on that subject, it's really funny how they're always on about how you can write the book for the developers, but when you talk about what you've made all of a sudden it's "w-well that's ma-masturbatory" or no-nobody wants t-to know a-about your sh-shitty homebrew".It's always about shifting blame and flip-flopping with these faggots.
>>97703258All that to tell everyone that the reason you are nogames is because you are retarded.
>>97702437And what is Elden Ring, retard?
>>97703426high fantasy? Where the fuck did you pull elden ring from anyways.
>>97703258>but also because of how you just can't talk to any of its fans about actual game design, because they're all about "re-rewrite what y-you don't l-like" or "f-find another g-group".You're apparently too stupid to realize that Rule Zero is an inherent part of the genre, not exclusive to D&D. If you want codified rules systems and mechanics that get followed to the letter you should go play a wargame, kiddo.
>>97703310I don't fudge dice or pull punches.My games operate on challenges to skill and luck.Cope and seethe, you mouthbreather.
>>97703435>pulls out what he thinks is a cunning retort saying "haha, but it isn't mainstream">one of the best performing RPG's of the last decade has been a franchise that thrives on dark high fantasy gritty aesthetic that runs opposite of the cartoonish high fantasy of WoWTry bringing your thinking cap next time, junior, I don't have time to spoon feed retards on why they're retard.
>>97703450
>>97703442>j-just p-pway a wa-wawgame!Nah, I'll continue making tabletop roleplaying games, featuring characters I make decisions for who aren't myself.Keep dilating because you can't talk about actual games and engage with critical thinking about their design.
>>97703455>now calls it moving the goalposts when the goal is directly scored against
>>97703450>I don't have time to spoon feed retards on why they're retard.You're not arguing on /tg/ about the state of modern fantasy because you're a mature and important individual with a busy life and a lot of important things to do, anon. That's one fantasy that's too far-fetched, too lacking in verisimilitude or believability or groundedness for even the fans of goofiest fantsy out there to buy.
>>97703462Stick to /v/ dude.
>>97703458>Keep dilating because you can't talk about actual games and engage with critical thinking about their design.lmao, that's you!
>>97703447Your "games" is just you sitting at a table drooling all over yourself.
>>97703472AH yes, the age old critique of:>I got completely and utterly raped like a dumb nigger and torn to shreds in the most despicable and filthy way possible>I know! I'll say that he's immature and it doesn't matter anyway!Kill yourself, genuinely kill yourself, put a shotgun in your mouth and blow your brains out all over your fucking wall, and light your home on fire killing your family, if you're too much of a sewage-gened retard to engage in even the lightest of conversations in good faith, without resorting to dismissive rationalization.
>>97703477>hobbyingPlaying games is part of the hobby.>character developmentThe attributes and skills of my characters develop over the course of the campaign.>storyAll necessary story is baked into the character options, traversable areas, dungeons and environments, and enemies that may be encountered, the rest of the necessary story emerging from the gameplay.You have permission to commit suicide, now.
>>97701217The artist is Clyde Caldwell, according to basic use of this site's reverse image search feature.
>>97703660And speaking of reverse image searching, where do you think the scum-sucking faggot who posted this thread is cross-posting from?
>>97702302Every game after Warcraft: Orcs and Humans was gay and lame.
>>97699307>D&D>groundedNo.
Why are /v/ culture war threads migrating here?
>>97701284Kek. Stealing this for his next appearances.
Seriously what do people have against high fantasy? It’s a better mirror than what low fantasy offers.
>>97703888TWW kiddies coming here to larp in the TOW thread and troll the others. You can see a lot of "D&D bad TOW good" in this very thread.
>>97701192Fall of Cadia 2.0?Didn't like first one though.
>>97702302>and your shit boomer taste are effectively gatekept.I hate to break it for you, but Warcraft, or He-Man are ultimate boomer-core.Current generations prefers human male warrior drugging silver haired anime magic prince through the mud:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMgpeKBMYs4Not sequel to Warcraft movie.
>>97705948The Witcher/Elric is older than Warcraft/He-Man dumbass. That would be the "BOOMER-CORE" Warcraft and He-Man would be Gen X/Millennial.
>>97699290Tolkien ruined fantasy. Instead of s&s and wierd fiction we just got endless tolkien-slop
>>97706052>Instead of s&s and wierd fictionHoward was just a hack.And capeshit isn't "le weird fiction"
>>97706028>The Witcher/Elric is older than Warcraft/He-Man dumbass.Not if judge when Witcher became mainstream.And I have no idea why you would antagonise Elric and He-Man.
>>97706088Nah, I don't hate He-Man who was inspired by Robert E Howard's Conan. With more Magical Plot armor, and Moorcock novels along with Robert and more help make the best parts of DND.I was just calling out the Silver haired spellblade is older then his "boomer-core" Warcraft and He-Man, and both take inspiration from Moorcock. (Magical sword that grants overwhelming power. Sounds like Stormbringer don't you think.)
>>97699290Fantasy from the very beginning was fantastic, not grounded. It's the whole reason it's called fantasy.
>>97701583I don't buy the woke fantasy slop. Got to remember, many of these new queer fantasy isn't selling. However, it took them decades to get into the big IPs and force this shit. (Why do you think EVERYTHING went gay about the same time.)Hell I am tempted to try to take advantage of it and make the new shit that replaces their woke ass failures and takes over. We see it time and time again. Big companies think they can sell whatever they want and people will eat their slop and find out that's not the case.
>>97706266>Hell I am tempted to try to take advantage of it and make the new shit that replaces their woke assThen do it and stop being a daydreaming failure
>>97706250>I was just calling out the Silver haired spellblade is older then his "boomer-core" Warcraft and He-Man, and both take inspiration from Moorcock.And so..?
>>97706250>(Magical sword that grants overwhelming power. Sounds like Stormbringer don't you think.)Actually not since Stormbringer wasn't the first magical sword which gives power in the genre. The key point of Stormbringer was that it's a cursed weapon and actually a primordial demon >. With more Magical Plot armor, and Moorcock novels along with Robert and more help make the best parts of DND.Except Moorcock never wrote for DnD as far as I remember and Howard was already dead.>I was just calling out the Silver haired spellblade is older then his "boomer-core" Warcraft and He-ManSo crappy AoS/WC >>97702302 >>97702148 >>97701257 >>97701192 >>97701169 shit still belongs to boomer-core.
>>97705809>It’s a better mirror than what low fantasy offers.May be people not so interested in self-inserting after all?
>>97699290When Gygax started fucking with his friends instead of trying to tell a good story.
>>97699358NTA, I tried reading Dragonlance and couldn't get past Dragons of Winter Night. It was just boring, and for every interesting thing that happened, two other things would kill my interest. I didn't find the narrative as engaging as Forgotten Realms slop with Greenwood's thinly veiled fetishes.
>>97699358Raistlin is for fags.
>>97706488>Actually not since Stormbringer wasn't the first magical sword which gives power in the genre. The key point of Stormbringer was that it's a cursed weapon and actually a primordial demonYeah, The Lich King's Frostmourne from Warhammer was a cursed sword.>Except Moorcock never wrote for DnD as far as I remember and Howard was already dead.Dude Gygax and the others were inspired by their stories. They don't even hide it, I never said Howard or Moorcock wrote anything. Just their stories help inspired and made some of the best parts of DND.>shit still belongs to boomer-core.Counter point. No one cares, it doesn't matter if it was made in the 1920s or 2020s. Good shit is good shit and bad shit is bad shit. I don't care when or where it was made. I just care if it's good, and I am sure most people are about the same boat. Hints why you seeing classical IPs who basically over by woke karens flop as bad as Concord and Higuard.
>>97706942>The Lich King's Frostmourne>from WarhammerAt this point I am sure you are doing it on purpose.>Dude Gygax and the others were inspired by their stories.Okay and so..?Form up your argument already.>Counter point. No one cares,This guy: >>97702302 seems to care.So following point: why even enter the discussion on subject you don't care.
>>97699307>World of Warcraft was the beginning of the enshittification of fantasy aestheticsanon how can you say something so brave yet so true
>>97701192Idk anon. It's just uninspiring I suppose.Pictures like:>>97699358>>97702260>>97703221Makes your mind thinking of some quest lying ahead or some story to be told, venturing further into fictional realm, visiting various places. This pictures: >>97702148>>97702302Looks like there is some action sequence in slow motion like MCU is about to commence and nothing else.
>>97706266Yeah, we can tell you don't play any tabletop games because you are too retarded.
>>97699307ah yes dnd was so grounded with the post apocalypse planet with psychic powers, space travel, the literal horror dimension, and all the bullshit that faerun was getting up to BEFORE Warcraft was a thing>>97701682i love how "grounded fantasy" just means copy lotr or warhammer you people are so boring
>>97699307The most grounded D&D got was with AD&D 2E's Birthright, an edition that not even the OSR folk like and a setting that was possibly one of the least popular ones from its era. All for people playing in any setting they'd like but don't be a disingenuous shit about it.
>>97699290Fantasy was born ungrounded, and while "grounded" shit has its own charms, will die ungrounded.
>>97709566>Fantasy was born ungroundedFalse
>>97708131>i love how "grounded fantasy" just means copy lotr or warhammerAccording to whom?Also I woudn't call : >>97701192 grounded
>>97709582???
>>97709594And..?
>>97709603George MacDonald's book predated the Hobbit by nearly 80 years, and his novel is very much fantastical and ungrounded.
>>97709582If LotR is "grounded", then grounded doesn't mean anything.
>>97705809Because most people who keep harping on about low-fantasy are band-wagoners who do it just to virtue signal. They literally don't know what low-fantasy is, either the archaic definition (low-fantasy is set in "our" world, high-fantasy is set in a "secondary" world) or the contemporary understanding. They are literally too retarded to understand that almost every work of classic fantasy is not low-fantasy. Low and high are about fantastical elements. Most alleged enjoyers of "low-fantasy" seem to think that this is just about whether the main characters are non-human or magic-users, but it's way more than that. Pocket dimensions, magic realms, societies of elves or dwarves, frequent encounters with monsters, magical items, etc. High-fantasy is about the presence of these things in general, not just whether the main characters (or the PCs, since we're on /tg/) have access to it. Low-Magic is the axis that this refers to. >Conan: High-Fantasy, Low-Magic (Conan doesn't use magic, but there are races of Snakemen, and he constantly encounters monsters.)>LotR: High-Fantasy, Low-Magic (Most characters don't use magic, but there are societies of elves, hobbits, orcs, and dwarves, and magic items are common if minor in effect; monsters are commonly encountered.)>Elric: High-Fantasy, High-Magic (No explanation needed.)>Witcher: High-Fantasy, Mid-Magic (Protagonists are superhuman, with access to minor magic (signs), sorceresses are prominent characters; monster encounters are ubiquitous.)It also has little to do with tone. Low-fantasy tends to lack more of the contrivances and conveniences of high-fantasy since it's supposed to have fewer supernatural elements overall, but you can have darker and grittier high-fantasy just the same, as well as low-fantasy which is basically just medieval Slice-of-Life with maybe a ghost. Then there are many different classifications that refer to OTHER elements e.g. Dark, Heroic, Sword & Sorcery, Epic Fantasy, etc.
>>97709611>and his novel is very much fantastical and ungrounded.>classical romances>ungroundedPress X to doubt
>>97709612There are no bolters, no Silver Hand paladins deep striking into mortuary factory.
>>97709707The most grounded works are accurate historical fiction. Next is shit like Tom Clancy's less bombastic works. Didn't happen, but could happen. Next is thriller shit like Splinter Cell. Then the Dark Knight Trilogy. Then there are several more layers until you get to actual fantasy. The second you include magic or clarketech, it stops being grounded.
>>97709714There are ghost armies, trolls who turn into stone, magic swords that detect orcs, superhuman elves, magical herbology, undead ring liches, dragons, giant eagles, walking & talking trees, dwarves, magic doors, flaming shadow not!demons, wizards, Tom Bombadil, goblins, dragons...
>>97709707Anon, the bulk of the novel takes place in literal Fairyland. Are you going to tell me that's grounded and realistic?
>>97709739So classical folklore.>>97709772>Anon, the bulk of the novel takes place in literal Fairyland.Yeah in classical folklore Fairyland, not Marvel Asgard.
>>97701169>I want larger than life fantasy>larger than life>completely empty of any lyric
>>97709864Just because it's classical folklore doesn't mean it's grounded. Old =/= grounded.
>>97710090>Old =/= grounded.That's exactly what it means.Now go back watch your Spiderman cartoon.
>>97710090Grounded doesn't mean realistic. Grounded means it's authentic. Wizards and dragons aren't real but the way they're presented in LoTR feels like it has credibility.
>>97709591according to multiple posts in this very thread. Every time this fuck ass topic gets brought up its the same damn run around: me like old warhammer, me like lotr, me like osr, me no like critical role, why am thing i no like not like thing am do like???
>>97707178>At this point I am sure you are doing it on purpose.My bad, meant Warcraft. Honest mistake.>This guy: >>97702302 seems to care.So following point: why even enter the discussion on subject you don't care.Again, why should I or anyone care when something was made? My whole point is if it's good it's good. Don't care if it just came out like Crimson Desert, a Classic like Skyrim, or a Legend like Zelda.
>>97710176>Again, why should I or anyone care when something was made?Because you've jumped the discussion about this subject, retard.>a Classic like SkyrimLMAO
>>97710137Spiderman is no less grounded than Beowulf.
>>97710221Okay lol,
Specifically regarding "boomercore" or "zoomercore", when (and in what demographics) it became popular is more important than when it was made. Something can be both "boomercore" and "zoomercore" because these do not describe traits of the relevant media so much as aspects of generational identity. Especially with adaptations, sequels, and remakes being released for different generations.
>>97710237So what would LOTR be? That was always big, it got bigger with tourist from the movie but it was always one of the biggest fantasy books of all time. Same with games like Legend of Zelda. Each game has always been big.
>>97710212Well if you look at what I have said, it doesn't matter. (Though I did bring up that I found it funny that people were pushing that the Witcher and Elric was the new shit even though they are older than the examples Warcraft and He-Man.)
>>97710304Yet He-Man was popular among boomers, while Witcher wasn't and only became popular when younger demographic appeared.
>>97710364The Witcher was big in Europe especially Poland. It blew up worldwide and outside of just those wh read fantasy after the game came out, but it was still a big series in fantasy.
>>97710395>The Witcher was big in Europe especially Poland.In Poland yeah, in Europe not so much.
>>97710466Yes, it wasn't as big as Elric or Conan but it was still a known series.
>>97710568> it wasn't as big as Elric or ConanSo completely unknown to the wider audience untill zoomers grew up while boomers were paypigging to Blizzard and GW and whinning about He-Man reboot.
Didn't Conan have Cthulhu and other Lovecraft shit in its setting? Wasn't Conan himself psionic?
>>97699307Is that my hecking Criddical Role!!!
>>97711421I think Conan just had "animal instincts" bordering on ESP, but in one adventure, he did meet an elephant-headed sorcerer that had come from the stars - it had sought to share its knowledge with humans, but one of its students betrayed it and tortured it to teach him dark magic. Conan took pity on the creature and euthanized it, at which point its spirit took terrible vengeance on its former student before vanishing into the aether.
>>97699290DnDslop really got going with Drizzit and the planscape stuff when TSR was just cranking out splats and books to pay the bills. Dragonlance started the fall though. WoW aesthetics and the flattening of fantasy is just running with the ball.
>>97711421REH and HPL where pen pals
>>97699290D&D was pretty grounded until the MMO boom, even 3.5's dungeonpunk wasn't the pastels and pauldrons that are ubiquitous today.
>>97703477>You need to plan it or else it doesn't countSounds like a you problem with a side order of undue expectations.
>>97711421If we're to judge Conan himself, he actually fucking cast spells in Beyond the Black River. Not even talking about some weak-ass (in dnd terms) Gandalf with the wolves shit, for all his barbarian distrust he legit commands panthers like it's not big deal.This is before counting the whole Hyborian age, which on the whole was ... well, le'ts just say WEIRD Tales was pretty sound marketing, shall we? Even the civilized cities of that world host some real crazy shit (and it's not even THAT obscure to the population, interestingly enough: the real difference is that there is no common usage of commodification, of course).>>97710568Euro here, dunno about other slav countries or maybe Germany, but it was definitely not "known" until the games.>>97709582Yeah, no, anon, fantasy was not born with Tolkien's talking animals, magical loot and firey demons. (Yes, JRRT is more "grounded" even than, say, The Worm Uroboros. Hobbits -or elves, for that matter- fell rightly more "real" than DND. That doesn't make ME "low magic" in any way or form.)
>>97711392There was a He-Man reboot?
>>97702309Medieval Arthurian fiction was chock full of knights fighting giants and dragons and giant boars and had shit like Gawain going into magic illusionary castles and playing chess games with invisible opponents and then getting his ass whooped and smashing the chess board in a rage and then falling asleep and the entire castle vanishes when he wakes up. Tristain had one fight with a giant where he cut it to pieces and the giant is described as expelling so much blood the entire island they're fighting on is covered in it. Named knights were regularly touted as slaughtering hundreds upon hundreds of enemy soldiers by themselves in big battles.It was not even remotely low fantasy. It was all about batshit insane superhumans stomping all over a batshit insane world. Troubadours did not give a fuck about realism.
>>97718195Definitely. Chivalric romance is, if anything, "higher" magic and power than even most mythology and classical epic.
>>97716189It had a couple, actually. Back in 2021, there was some CGI thing for kids and a more "mature" cartoon that I think ended in 2024. Also there's a live-action movie coming out.
>>97701223>Kamen America and Rippaverse.You're 100% a shillNobody in /co/ likes that traced slop
>>97701192Age of Shitmar's fantasy humans are painfully uninspired.Gone is all the cultural variety of Fantasy. Now we just have Fisher-Pricified Warcraft versions of HRE.Wow, an explosion! I've never seen that before.
>>97699307I genuinely don't see anything wrong with the lower pic.
>>97729916Yeah, it's mostly older guys that think they can't make their nth stoic manly character or cheesecake. The only thing one could really point out is the whimsy - bottom characters seem like they're going for a stroll, not fighting.
>>97729964These games can be fun, but I also like the top pic half when it comes to realism. I tend to jump between these types when I don't feel like dying every third session, or want a real challenge.
>>97730083I wouldn't think RP a renassaince faire is a good idea. Well, unless it's Fiasco.That being said yeah, comfy games are a thing, some are pretty snazzy. But DND is not about being comfy, it's a game about tactically killing monsters.
>>97727045Cope and seethe faggot. You guys will say anything to hate on anything that based and not your WOKE DEI garbage that's killing everything it's in.
>>97733912Your comics suck, eric
>>97701192Inner Cities of Sigmar are fucking disgusting slop made by retards. Their gear looks utterly ridiculous if you know ANYTHING about /his/ arms and armor at all (modern Britrannies aren't allowed to own either so they don't know any better)
>>97702148Adventure Quest tier
>>97702309>wasn't even that crazy
>>97702309>>97702309Arthurian legends, aren't lowest fantasy tier, even if you just stick with Malory. Malory's Le Morte d'Arthur (which might as well be the official canon) still has the questing beast, the Castle of Corbenic, a fantasy nuclear bomb, Lancelot literally getting raped and giving birth to a living saint. >>97718195It's when you stray from Malory and Tennyson that you get into the real meat and cheese. Arthurian fiction is a fascinating and complicated thing, with multiple extremely varied 'canon's' before Malory basically solidified the canon, and Tennyson modernized it. >Early Welsh/English Poems. Welsh stuff is outright super natural. Culwch and Olwen has King Arthur basically grabbing every super human freak in all of England to complete a number of impossible tasks including killing a giant boar that's cursed by the Gods, so his nephew Culwch marries a giant princess, so Culwch won't die by a curse. In another story, King Arthur literally loads 3 boats full of warriors and invades the underworld, because he ran out of people to fight in England (he also loses spectacularly). In the alliterative English Poems, Arthur's court is considerably more grounded in reality, largely inspired by 'The history of the great kings of Britian'. Morte Arthure (not the be confused with Le Morte D'Arthur) for example is a long poem about the Battle of Calmann after Arthur's disastrous war on Rome. No Magic, no wizard, just a man who came home to see his son sitting on the throne. >Chrétien de TroyesWrote a number of extremely influential French romances. This introduced Lancelot to the tales, which who would eventually usurp both Perceval and Gawain and the most well known knight of the legends. It also for the first time Kay went from being a Europeon Fire warrior to being Arthur's seneschal, and a cocky incompetent knight, a tradition that has continued to the modern day, and of course, The Grail
>>97699307>World of Warcraft was the beginning of the enshittification of fantasy aesthetics, with big cartoony armor, extremely vibrant pastel colors, and everything looking neat and clean, with scale going right out the fucking window.100% correct. Fantasy was already trending towards gay anime capeshit tier in the early 2000s but WoW singlehandedly killed grounded fantasy pretty much forever overnight. The sheer tsunami of tasteless neckbeards WoW brought into "fantasy" can't be understated. The genre has never recovered and almost certainly never will, fantasy now in most "fantasy fan's" eyes is some dyel twink/girlboss wearing impractical armor and wielding weapons nearly twice their size that they somehow can inexplicably wield because that's "epic".
>>97738013Sadly, we know nothing about Chretien, other than he wrote a number of books. Perceval ended midsentence, and thus creates the next 'canon'>The Perceval continuationsUpon hearing of his death, anyone with the time, means, and knowledge to write a continuation of Perceval did. The initial batch of these are called 'The Perceval continuations' and there are a lot, that vary wildly in tone and structure. Perceval was so influential at the time, a german version named Parzival was written, which was eventually modernized by Wagner as Parsifal. The High History of the Holy Grail was written in this time, a story so controversial, so over the top in violence, it was almost universally disowned. In it Perceval becomes a instrument of God, committing genocide on pagans, muslims, and Germans. >The Vulgate Cycle/Lancelot cycleA loose concordant effort in France to write a single cohesive canon. Its massive. Stories are wild and vary immensely. Supernatural elements are a common occurrence. >Post Vulgate: A few decades later, a new generation tried the same thing. A bit more consistent in tone, shorter as well, but still varied.
>>97699290around the time people figured out games don't have to suck ass
>>97699550uh what? they're all standing around posing. is there something wrong with your eyes?
>>97699358you don't even know what those words mean.
>>97701583simple, kill everyone that doesn't belong.
>>97710146no it doesn't lmao
>>97710232Yep.
>>97709676What a retarded definition. Did you "homebrew" that? High fantasy: The fantastical elements are the center. The story is about alternate dimensions, wars between Gods, fey courts or a dark lord trying to enslave the world. Mortal politics and everyday life is background noise at most. Low fantasy: The fantastical elements are in the background. The focus is on court intrigues, civil wars, peasant uprisings, witches stealing children and so on.
>>97727045what is kamen america traced from?
>>97738040you mean can't be overstated?
>>97699290*ruins fantasy with sci-fi garbage*heh, nothing personal kid
>>97699290>become DnDslop?stopped reading there, not interested in your shit, love many many rpgs bored of cuntposting>>97699307zoomer post good read moorcock,thomas covenent, le guin etc
>>97739346dying earth is great
>>97702309You have never read an Arthurian book in your life, have you?
>>97701223The word is 'hence,' not 'hints.'
>>97727045>no one on the woke gay board likes the chud non-big two comicYou're right but it's not the win you think it is.
>>97729916Who would you rather go on an adventure with? The party on the top look like they're out to slay goblins and earn some coin. The party on the bottom look like they're about to gather round the fire and give you a 3 hour lecture on diversity, equity and inclusion. I genuinely believe there is something deeply wrong with you as a human being if you are not instinctively revulsed by the pastel coloured pronoun posse in the bottom image. This has to stop.
>>97742761>Having this strong a reaction to literally nothing.It's too late for you, Anon. You'll never be able to have a normal conversation with normal people ever again.
This infuriates the human only fags.
>>97699307Top is literal corpo-art of a nonexistent party made to advertise the game, bottom is a real party of real PCs that were actually played.
>>97743404Streamed games is not real play.
>>97718195>Named knights were regularly touted as slaughtering hundreds upon hundreds of enemy soldiers by themselves in big battles.This part isn't hyperbole though. Veteran knights genuinely could kill an entire company of men on their own.
>>97699307Have sex
>>97748043everything about this character and animation just jumps to scream insufferable
>>97699290Do you also caterwaul about degenerates and dadaists having stolen classical art?How do I know that you don't play?
>>97714926That looks like some Osprey slop.
>>97735497Hey now, AQ has a certain old-school endearing quality. Of course, I played it a lot as a kid so I might be biased.
>>97699290>This shitpile is still going on>Didn't even cross 200 posts
>>97742986My players tend to play 50% to 90% humans
>>97749829Bumping again just to piss this guy off specifically.
>>97742986And every freakshit player always without exception plays "human but with quirky chungus non-personality and fashion accessory mutations", not actual alien creatures with inhuman anatomy and modes of thinking. Freaktrannies are the most unoriginal retards around, and it's hilarious because in trying to make themselves out as "not like the other girls" they end up looking all the same.
>>97699290bumping this threat to let everyone know i prefer DnDslop over performative worship of oldschool shit
>>97748043Worst cartoon I ever seen, how to not play a Chronicle, lmao
>>97751948Except you don't have the language or talent to bring that reality to life. No one does! Not even the best Scifi authors from the past thirty years managed to make an alien perspective actually interesting beyond a hot retake on a skewed human one. There is no escaping the human POV because we are ultimately just humans playing pretend.
>>97699307> extremely vibrant pastel colors, and everything looking neat and cleanWell, I mean, historically armor was painted in bright and vibrant colors so people wouldn’t get confused on who was on whose side. And shit was neat and clean because it was all clean and new, and hadn’t been sitting around long enough to develop an old and battered look to it.Old shit didn’t look like old shit in olden times, because it wasn’t old shit yet!
>>97752199And the sparkledog freakshit fandom doesn't even try, so it's not even an excuse.
>>97752297It's honestly a worthless pedantic argument. Conventional wisdom is you might as well just run humans, but then why are you even bothering with fantasy then?
>>97753347>Conventional wisdom is you might as well just run humans, but then why are you even bothering with fantasy then?Imagination-barren NPC post.
>>97742986You were right, the HFY tards started melting down.
>>97699307>He doesn't know that Dragonlance was the direct cause of Critical Roll/Dimention20 styled nonsense>Dragonlance added a focus on DMPC wank, grand stories instead of emergent narrative during exploration, along with thinly disguised fetishism among other things.
>>97753347If reality is such a boring place, why do humans always seek to turn every fantasy setting into a world with humans dominating and genociding the fantasy races and monsters and eliminating magic?
>>97708768>People talk about the importance of early for aesthetics>Look at the cover>Muslim inspired warrior>Valkyrie in the most korean MMO armor imaginable with a glowing sword>Wizard with a fucking laser sight assault rifleSo this is classic aesthetics, how?
>>97699290It never was, you were just readign the wrong fucking books, idiot. There was grounded, ungrounded, and off the fucking hinges fantasy in Appendix N.
>>97739283Yes, I was phone posting from the bath. Soaking my piggies.
>>97753607it's very grounded in reality. if you're going up against hordes of frogmen, of course you'll take your assault rifle with you.
>>97753607>This fool doesn't bring his assault rifle when going up against the Pepes.Look at him and laugh.
>>97753607To be fair, the Koreans have the cultural heritage of the Finnohyper war to draw on so glowing swords, energy rifles and valkyries are part of their way of life for millennia.
>>97702302>>97702148Man the voidlords are so lame. Generic darkness is a much more boring villain than the Legion espesciall the old crackhead Legion.
>>97699290After Japan discovered DnD.
>>97699307>World of Warcraft was the beginning of the enshittification of fantasy aestheticsTruer words were never spoken.
