I know the Tau are only a blip in the Warp, but why do Orkz and Eldar so rarely fall to Chaos? I know the Eldar have a whole religion to show how to avoid it, but even corsairs are never shown as Chaos-worshippers, and I know Orkz have their own gods, but you never seen any of them worshipping Khorne.
>>97705510The Eldar is due Slaanesh treating them as a snack. The Orks is because their Whaag is a collectivistic gestalt psychic field that shield them from the Chaos gods.
>>97705510Orks are self-policing. They think Chaos is un-orky, and any Ork that falls to it immediately gets beaten to death. Same goes for Genestealer Orks.As for the Eldar, Slaanesh has a tight BDSM leash around the necks of the entire race, and if any of them veer close enough to falling to Chaos that they become vulnerable to it, their souls just get devoured on the spot.There are actually a few chaos Tau, though. The main character from Fire Warrior is apparently partially empowered and/or corrupted by Khorne in the novelization, and Farsight came close to getting corrupted in his novels. Rotigus also managed to corrupt a Tau agri-world into worshipping him, and everyone on that world fell to Nurgle.
>>97705510Ork, especially stormboyz fell to chaos all the time especially khorne. There's also that great artwork of nurgle orks with a giant great unclean one behind the. Orks and Eldar fall to chaos but GW refuses to show chaos xenos and decades of flanderisation have led people to think only humans fall to chaos
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Do the Tau ever attempt to convince orkz to join their religion?
>>97705558Nurgle orks
>>97705561No, they were deemed a lost cause centuries ago.
>>97705510Orks and Eldar are genetically engineered by the Old Ones to specifically not fall to chaos. The mechanisms differ slightly but the end result is that they're pretty resistant to chaos taint (other than the whole Slaanesh thing, but the Eldar had to work really hard to get around that engineered resistance.)
>>97705510Post your painted minis and I'll tell you the truth.
>>97705611I mean that's just wrong, GW has written about chaos orks for years, you got a quote in the necron codex about Orks and Eldar being genetically engineered to resist chaos? I feel like a lot of war in heaven 'lore' is secondary misunderstandings
>>97705561They did. Once.
Chaos Eldar do exist. The idea that Slaanesh 'devours them on the spot if they get close to falling' is fanon.
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Chaotic_Eldar
>>97705510Spikey gits usually get krumped early but they do exist, same for three armed gits.>>97705558What's the source for this, old WD? I think I've seen the Genestealer one in the exact same format before too
>>97705510I think the reason the orks get away with not falling to chaos all the time like humans do is two reasons that are actually two sides of the same coin when it comes to orks.One Gork and Mork say no when the chaos gods try to pick on the orks in any way. And there punches are so big, green, and mean that even the chaos gods back off when the twin green gods fists start flying for there faces.For two the whaaag field the orks produce by just being orks may as well be oil to a normal mortals soul and it emotional emanations water and the warp its self being an endless sea of water. The whaag field and ork souls just do not interact with the warp the same way as normal mortals souls do. So demons can not eat ork souls like they can with normal mortals. And if they ever try anyways Gork and Mork will stomp them good for trying.The orks may just be the most protected and safe race from warp corruption and destruction in the entire setting. They may even have it even better than the Necrons do and those fuckers do not even have souls to be stolen by the warp.
>>97705706From 1st ed. This book introduced ork clans, orky ogryns, speedfreeks, orks fighting for imperials, ork genestealer hybrids, cyborks, etc. It was the golden age when GW just published ideas and expected gamers to use their imagination and skills to modify or scratchbuild their models to match. The "you will only use the model ranges we sell!" sneaked in later editions and most of the options vanished as GW restricted the rules and fluff to just the ranges they manufactured.
>>97705724>From 1st ed.not really canon anymore though, is it?
>>97705621Orks don't usually fall because they barely feed the Chaos Gods, their own gods and their gestalt Waaaagh field shield them (arguably just as the Old Ones intended). Daemons actively seethe about how Chaos has almost no influence over them:>The abhorrence. Living, thinking beings over which the True Powers could hold little influence. Resistant to the hated Changer, resistant to the Grandfather of Disease, and resistant to the snares of excess cast by the Dark Prince. Even the Blood God, mightiest of the Ruinous Powers, could not offer them any outlet for their warlike nature that was not provided by their worship of their own brutish gods. The abhorrence proliferated, vermin with an infuriating inability to acknowledge the power of Chaos.Now, they are described as resistant here, not immune, but it's a very high resistance and has a daemon seething hard about it.Eldar occasionally are mentioned as fallen to Slaanesh, and it's usually Slaanesh because of how Slaanesh was created by the Eldar, giving him first go at them unless something particularly odd is happening.
>>97705611>eldar>the hyperemotional race engineered to be psychic lightning rods >created BEFORE the glactic war that spawned chaos as a faction>driven to near extinction by proto-chaos enslavers>engineered to resist chaos
>>97705510GW used to, but it hasn't been a thing since somewhere between 1st and 3rd edition.These days orks are mostly written as immune to Chaos, and Eldar as previously immune except for/until Slaanesh. I doubt that there's any major reference to Chaos Orks much newer than probably 15+ years ago.
>>97705548>OI DIS DA INKUISHITON, WAT THE ZOGG IS DAT 'BLUD FOR DA BLUD BOSS' YOU MUCKIN 'BOUT? AND WHY THE ZOG YOU SNAGGIN' ALL DA ENEMY SKULLZ? PICK ONE FOR YA TRUPHY POLE, DAT'S TOO MANY!
>>97705510Note that while the Tau are a blip in the Warp, the reality is that the Chaos gods do want them. They find them juicy targets, but very hard to corrupt due the Greater Good. They tempt Farsight with images of glory as a Chaos Champion of the Dark Gods. Farsight doesn't bend.
>>97705510Ork mentality is too much unga bunga and "green iz da BEST" focused to even fall into Khorne worship. It happened from time to time in days of yore but that was retconnedThe Eldar learnt their lesson after Slaanesh called dibs on their souls forever and ever. Dooming your entire race for all eternity through drug fueled gory orgies that went on for centuries on planetary escale before realizing is all a very bad idea might do that to you
>>97705510>orkzChaos has nothing to offer them because they're not cucks>fagdarThey fall, Slanny Tranny just instarapes them.
>>97705510Eldar have/had their own gods, who counter chaoslop, except Slaanesh what they create. So if eldar fell to chaos, then he worship slaanesh only
>>97705635underrated reply
>>97705558There was also a Tzeentchy shaman in one of the WFRP adventures; a Doomstones one, I think.I find it interesting in a way I can't quite articulate that the orks and eldar, both creations of the Old Ones, exhibit mixtures of heavy Khorne and Slaanesh traits in their presented cultures (the Eldar do have a taste for bloodshed after all - see the Dark Kin especially - and Orks LOVE sensations; the kick of a shoota, the thump of a choppa, and you can't tell me that the Kult of Speed doesn't get written about in very... EXCESSIVE language). Almost makes me want to go into Tzeentchian and Nurglite influences on the Necrons. Not that I think it was ever intentionally written or devised as such.
>>97705510They were created to be naturally resistant to corruption to an extent, and then got designer gods so that they wouldn't need any one else. There are perks to being made by the space frogs.
>>97705731Most of 1e is still canon. There are things that are obviously reconned, like pretty much everything to do with Tyranids, but everything else is pretty much foundational. Plus, stuff that you would assume is no longer canon has a habit of being reintroduced, maybe with a few tweaks but the core of what it was is still there. 1e is unironically the best source for 40k since it's all right there in front of you. Also the other anon was slightly off, Freebootaz is what you want for all the weird Orky warbands like the Khornate Stormboyz, genestealers, mutants, and the like.
>>97706287>only the parts I like are cannonface it, the naming conventions of 30+ years ago can't be compared to today. stormboyz are solely jump pack boyz now, freebootaz are mainly flash gitz now and beastsnaggas are basically synonymous with snakebites. all the lore got compartmentalized and streamlined, stop crying
>>97705558>>97705560This lore was back when chaos wasn't nearly as wanked off and several factions indulged in it as a treat without ZOMFG UNBEATABLE CHAOSJUICE INSTACORRUPTS YOO happening. You also could spend a few points to have your genestealer cult dip into chaos worship as well.You've also completely overlooked the actual meat of the text you're citing: stormboys didn't "fall" to khorne, they dabble in khirne worship as a form of youthful rebellion and then grow out of it. It was literally just a phase for orks.
>>97705510idk ask /40kg/
Chaotic eldar and crone worlds exist, thats where they harvest soulstones from.Chaotic eldar are just straight demon prince in power so I think the common chaos grunt or demon isn't going to try and corrupt them when they will instantly be greater demon like
>>97706840Slight point of order, anon.IIRC, The Stormboyz themselves were the 'youthful rebellion'. The actually falling to Khorne was just a bit more of a hazard for them than normal orks, mainly because they took it more seriously rather than "yerr, 's a good laff, givin' someone a good kickin', innit?"And the fluff for the GSC was the Patriarch for a cult in the shit would call on anyone for help; and in the warp something listened. I think this was before they were officially Nid forward infiltrators, but again it has been years.Your general point about Chaos used to be a bit more insidious and a quick route to power for anyone rather than apparently just humanity is valid, though.
>>97706403I know that you're a bit brain damaged from over a decade of non-stop consumption of rage bait, but take a deep breath and count to five. Nothing I said was confrontational or inflammatory.
>>97705731True, you have to remember though that canon is only ever "what GW want's you to buy right now", it is fluid and always changing. Many of us still play earlier editions and are not interested in keeping up with whatever GW says today's meta is. We are still using the older canon because we still like to play using it.
>>97706908It was also a satirical take about how many human youths tend to rebel against the tried and tested 'traditional ways' of their elders and tend to fall in with extremists in an attempt to 'stand out' and 'be special'. Like Orks and umies though, most yoofs/youths tend to grow out of it with only a few absolute nutters carrying on with it in later life. A lot of the satire was lost with later editions.
I mean, deldar are basically as close as possible to being a Slaanesh cult without actually worshipping her.
>>97705510>but why do Orkz and Eldar so rarely fall to Chaos?Common misconception. Most people see that every race except Humans are resistant to Chaos and don't realize that this actually means Humans are weak to Chaos. Basically everyone else deals with it better because we're their ideal hosts.
>>97705510There was an ork who was possessed by a demon in bloodquest but they retconned it.
>>97706908Distinction without a difference. Stormboys as a whole were the youthful rebellion and sometimes that youthful rebellion came with dabbling in khorne worship and both of those things are grown out of 90% of the time. It's not that a stormboy hails khorne once and is instantly forever lost to chaos.
>>97705621>>97705776I didn't say it was impossible, just that it's difficult.Motley goes into Commorragh to investigate chaos corruption that had the potential to, and later actually did, cause a dysjunction. He found seven eldar who had non Slaanesh chaos corruption. El-uriach and Kraillach were probably undivided, Ythllian and the Biel Tan farseer fell to Tzeench, and the succubitch whose name i can't remember falls to Khorne. The Mandrake Brothers fell to Nurgle and Tzeench respectively. That's seven Eldar finding out in an entire city of fucking around, with actual daemons running around corrupting everything that wasn't an Eldar and with people wearing daemonically infused weapons and armor as a fashion statement. That's pretty resistant.Of course Motley himself is Slaanesh- corrupted and all the Dark Eldar have the soul curse, but that is an incredible level of resistance to daemonic corruption even if we take into account the webway's shielding properties.
>>97705510>Eldar>Why do the xenos whose biggest historical event results in the birth a chaos God, whose entire ancient culture is almost entirely about controlling their emotions so they don't fall to chaos, fall to chaos?Gee I fucking wonder why?
>>97705524>why don't the most chaotic race fall to chaosbecause the term chaos really means "evil" but in the UK talking openly about evil is treason to the UK government
>>97705510>but why do OrkzThey have their own gods that are inherently stronger than Chaos gods. They are also a supremely successful purpose built bioweapon, it would not be a stretch to assume that they have some inherent subroutine that keeps them coherent in that regard.Orks have a general disdain for fighting Chaos, something about it makes the Orks look down on corrupted armies.>and Eldar Did you miss the part where the vast majority of all Eldar somewhat accidentally, somewhat on purpose created a Chaos god for themselves and are now part of it? The average space elf's soul is in one way or another serving or part of Slaanesh.The rest are survivor's bias, they are bizzaro outliers that didn't want to join with Slaanesh for one reason or another and are thus by now inherently resistant.There's also no shortage of weirdo alien races that completely went full Chaos like the Laer.
