Why tf did RPGs move away from being a guy-focused thingAnd how the fuck do we move the needle back
RPGs moved away from being a guy-focused thing?
>>97706857Yes. Now they're for literal children.
>>97706873>Why did children enjoy games of pretend once they were made accessible to themYou've really given me a thinker there, Anon.
>>97706873>NowMost of us entered this hobby when we were kids.
>>97706851>>97706857>>97706873It's more of a Tourists and Karens got in as HR and DEI hires and now trying to change it for them and failing badly. Look at "drag-queen failguard" "dustborn" "concord" "concord 2" concord 3 the destiny" and I am sure "concord 4 zero players" will flop too.
>>97706989I mean like who the fuck are those games FORWe keep being told how competitive the market is, so why are projects like that being okayed? How out-of-touch can they be?
>>97706989Video games? In my offtopic politics thread on the traditional games board? You people are fucking losers.
>>97706989>and now trying to change it for them and failing badlyAren't the three top selling MtG sets of all time all Unvierses Beyond stuff? Rather notably one of them was Lord of the Rings, the one with Black Aragorn.Get woke, get rich, it seems...
>>97706851We should be gatekeeping harder, especially against women
>>97706851In OP's defense, there should still be games focused primarily on men, but in the same vein, there should be games specifically for women. Crossover of these categories isn't a bad thing though.
>>97707018Get woke, get <result> is really case by case - depends how receptive / aversive the target audience is, how strong brand loyalty there is, and overall quality of the product (relative to direct competitors).MtG crowd is quite receptive (those that had a problem already quit the game years ago), there's strong brand loyalty (or sunken cost holding people in), and it is the golden standard of card games, with longest history, and one of the strongers positions in the market.Meanwhile, yet another team based vidya shooter has no existing playerbase and needs to compete for attention with dozens other team base shooters (some of which are free to play), which is inevitably an uphill battle. On might aven go as far as to speculate it would have failed regardless of the "theme" or degree of wokeness.
>>97706851When you say "RPG"s, do you actualky mean DnD? Because there's a fuckload of mid-sized companies and individual dudes publishing RPGs right now, and all these games aren't the same or meant to cater to the same audience. Ss for how to move the needle back, what you, personally, can do is to run and talk about games you actually like in order to do your small part to make them popular, and to actually buy those games so that whoever makes them is more likely to keep making them. That's pretty much it. Of course you could also make the kind of game you'd like to see more of. That'd actually be the best thing to do.
>>97706851When anything is good enough, it'll get popular, and then everyone will want to join in. Now why do you want it to go back?Culture war BS makes little sense in TTRPGs because you have the freedom to make whatever changes you want. If you hate thing in your games, you can remove it.
>>97707018They're top-selling because MtG's playerbase has grown a lot to the point where more people have exposure to it, and fans of those IPs bought in because they recognized the IP. Something something fomo, something something investment, something something triangulationThese are the same people who bought funko pops.AVATAR made more money than Terminator 2. Never mind that since terminator 2 came out, there's been inflation, an increase in world population and that population's access to cinema, obviously this means AVATAR is a superior film with greater cultural significance.
>>97707116Yes, but TTRPGs are a social hobby with a lot what amount to amateur writers that can be pushed around by social pressure. And what gets published by the big companies sets the tone of the game, especially for new players.You can do what you like in your home game, but eventually you're going to be ice-skating uphill when every new player you try to bring in needs an X-card in order to feel safe and will call you a white supremacist for having such a eurocentric gameworld, for for featuring asian-inspired cultures while not being asian, or for not enough NPCs being gay, or for violence against gay people because half the bandits are gay.And every game you try to join will be a tiefling tea party that thinks combat is toxically masculine.
>>97706851You don't move it back. More people into games is not a bad thing. Learn to interact with women my guy.
>>97706851Start saying "Do you have an argument other than "BUT DRAGONS" ?" to people
>>97707050How do you gatekeep a commercially available hobby that you play among a friend group?
>>97707050If you played or even had understanding of tabletop games you would know that is not possible.
>>97706989Yes, you are faggot too stupid to play tabletop games. You can go back to /v/ now.
>>97707151I've mostly gamed with the same group for near 20 years, but the handful of new players I've played with over the last few years have been fine. They've taken their cues from the more experienced players, not from any vague general cultural zeitgeist.
>>97707182>"Do you have an argument other than "BUT DRAGONS" ?"What did he mean by this?
>>97707185Build fortifications around your local game store and hire mercenaries to defend it>>97707274Sounds like you should be helping us build the gate
>>97707151>You can do what you like in your home game, but eventually you're going to be ice-skating uphill when every new player you try to bring in needs an X-card in order to feel safe and will call you a white supremacist for having such a eurocentric gameworld, for for featuring asian-inspired cultures while not being asian, or for not enough NPCs being gay, or for violence against gay people because half the bandits are gay.>And every game you try to join will be a tiefling tea party that thinks combat is toxically masculine.Stop playing with these people and play with friends.
>>97707385It sounds like you have a gate that stops your brain from having thoughts.
>>97707545I have built many gates in many of the walls I have built around things I love. My next step is to fill these areas with mercenaries, goblins, and undead minions for extra defense
>>97707151>>You can do what you like in your home game, but eventually you're going to be ice-skating uphill when every new player you try to bring in needs an X-card in order to feel safe and will call you a white supremacist for having such a eurocentric gameworld, for for featuring asian-inspired cultures while not being asian, or for not enough NPCs being gay, or for violence against gay people because half the bandits are gay.Y'all make some weird ass scenarios up
>>97706851By making, selling, and advertising RPGs that are aimed at guys.
>>97707723More like you built a wall of dicks that you climb every day.
>>97707116I don't want these people in my hobby. The hobby is actively bad because of it and I would rather it appeal to a niche audience than a general one. >>97707185>>97707274By promoting a culture of toxicity, competitiveness, anti-casual-ism, misogyny, homophobia (of all kinds), and generally principles that are incompatible with soft men and women.
>>97707830https://thealexandrian.net/wordpress/50123/roleplaying-games/a-historical-note-on-xanderingYou never give those "people" an inch.
>>97707545Good job finding your own post.
>>97707850People who go out of their way to promote that retardation are too fucking stupid to playing tabletop games making what you want pointless.
>>97707862I am not calling for gatekeeping so no.
>>97707437In my specific scenario I do a lot of my play in a semi-public RPG club, and we've have had incidents in the past with being slimed by local leftists for "mansplaining gatekeeping" (their words). As in, I say Hi to someone, they immediately go on a tirade about the club they don't know I'm part of and I have never seen them at. The club where we really do make an effort to be inclusive and have more racial diversity than the lilly-white 5e kids.I also would like it if my increasingly-popular hobby gave me new social opportunities and put me in contact with people I like instead of people who ask me what my pronouns are.
>>97707883nou
>>97707891No u and your face.
>>97707850>By promoting a culture of toxicity, competitiveness, anti-casual-ism, misogyny, homophobia (of all kinds), and generally principles that are incompatible with soft men and women.That sounds unfun. I'm throwing the gate wide open now if that's what you want the game to be like.
>>97707874I do it consistently. And yes I have a lot of player churn, but that's okay, because I have formed a core group of people that prefer this kind of play AND we can also just relax and fucking talk about stuff without censoring ourselves.Basically, kill yourself chuddie troon.
>>97707855I've never heard of jaquaying OR xandering...
>>97707909Except because I'm ideologically driven and the good guys are finally in charge of social media and the Internet, I'm more likely to succeed; because I learned how to manipulate their faggy algorithms.
>>97707925Uh-huh.
>>97707919If your posts are anything go by all you do is act like retarded nogames in /tg/.
>>97707940Not only have I been playing consistent games since '98; I have recently gotten into publishing my own stuff. Your move, faggotron. >>97707924Exactly, because you're a secondary.>>97707938I accept your concession.
>>97707956>I accept your concession.We weren't arguing.
>>97707972Good point. I'm pontificating and you're holding on to each and every one of my words with bated breath.
>>97707980>pontificatingI was going to call it "gesticulating helplessly" myself, but sure, call it what you like.
>>97707990just like that
>>97707956You say yet your posts show you are a underage retard who never played any tabletop games.
>>97707997
>>97708010>ACKSWell that explains things.
>>97708010I am sure the bribe you gave that person was worth it.
>>97706851No-games issue for somebody who doesn't actually play TTRPGs and experiences the hobby vicariously through media releases. The greatest thing about this glorious hobby is that you are in complete control of the content that goes on in your game room. These kinds of complains only make sense for hobbies like comic books, video games, TV/movies, etc where you are reliant on a company creating content for you to consume. TTRPGs are unique in how it is DIY in nature. The companies make the rules, but you can alter them as you see fit and no one can stop you. So while I do understand how soft zoomer freakshit aesthetic has bled into official releases by WotC and it is extreme cringe, it does not affect how I engage with the hobby.
>>97707847I make efficient use of the resources available to Me
>>97706851Make friends. Play games. They'll be focused on whatever you choose. How do you decide what other people do? You don't.
>>97706989Mindbroken /v/ermin
None of this has ever been a problem at any table I've played at. I usually DM and I fill it with cheesecake and beefcake alike, and everyone loves at least one of those. Why would you be so worried about what retards on the internet think about your game?
>>97708041cope>>97708034seethe
>>97706851play games
>>97708248Cry harder nogames tard.
>>97708055Extremely based post/v/ermin cannot fathom the idea of a game where the players are in full control of every single aspect
>>97707385>Sounds like you should be helping us build the gateIf you were outside the gate I helped build, would you still ask for that?>>97707850The hobby is, ultimately, whatever happens at your table. You can choose what games to play, you don't have to stick to modern games, you can choose who you play with, and if you can't find literally anyone who likes to game the way you do, then the problem isn't in insufficient gatekeeping.>>97707855I don't feel like giving some randos blog a read. Could you put in some modicum of effort to say whatever you want to say yourself and in your own words?
>>97707850Ironic that you're trying to gatekeep "soft men" when this hobby has historically been the refuge of soft men. Unmasculine pussies who couldn't get laid and used these games as power fantasies to cope.
>>97707122>mtg players paypig for their sloppa time and time again for decades>but THIS was a bridge too far! It was people with no interest in cards buying cards this time!!!Yeah sure, whatever you say man
>>97708648That sounds like a skill issue. Almost everyone in our gaming group gets laid frequently (three are married, one is a virgin but cool, one is a fuccboi, one is a monger (me)).>>97708615>doesn't like reading>on an RPG forumBravo. To sum up - troons made mountains of a molehill, some dude apologized, and they bandwagoned on how "it's not enough." You're welcome. Anyone who is a sexual deviant is a moral derelict. Also, since you responded to me twice - while I agree that ultimately the hobby is at my table, human creativity and attention span are finite resources. I would rather the creativity and attention span be channeled towards the things I like, without disrupting the ecosystem in a way that I prefer.
>>97708929>Anyone who is a sexual deviant is a moral derelict.The fuck are you even trying to talk about, seriously? I guarantee you incels terrified of anything but straight white men know fuck-all about sexual deviancy. But if you wanna order a pizza I got nothing to do, tonight.
>>97708648Yes, this hobby is for people with brains.
>>97708929>That sounds like a skill issue. Almost everyone in our gaming group gets laid frequently (three are married,You are an invader to this hobby
>>97708929I like reading plenty. Still not going to read every random blog I encounter, though, noy ina world with, you know avtual books to read. Also I replied to you once - well, twice after this post - and the only person whose creativity and attention you'll ever have a say on is you.
>>97707850> By promoting a culture of toxicity, competitiveness, anti-casual-ism, misogyny, homophobia (of all kinds), and generally principles that are incompatible with soft men and women.> soft men and women.What do you even mean by that? Citizens of the USA who is too active on Twitter or something? I am pretty sure your stereotypical chud is an example of a bitter terminally online virgin who is a HARD man only during forced masturbation to squeeze some juice from burned out dopamine receptors. This post is a hot mess.
>>97709421It means while making that post he tried to eat his keyboard because for a moment he thought it was a waffle.
>>97709372Nope. I predate you. >>97709378>noy ina>avtualSo this is the power of a room temperature IQ.>>97709421I mean anyone who is worried about the emotions and feelings of others.
>>97707545Lucky bastard.
>>97706989>It's more of a Tourists and Karens got in as HR and DEI hires
>>97709644>I mean anyone who is worried about the emotions and feelings of others.So, for example, you.
>>97706851... didn't you ask this on Thursday already?
>>97706851>It's another of the "Never-game crying to defend the hobby he never participated in"If only you understood the whole gig is about making your own stuff...
>>97708929>Anyone who is a sexual deviant is a moral derelict.Negging only works on drunk chicks, cutie.
>>97706851RPGs are an inherently feminine activity. Real men are out there hunting, fishing, shooting, lifting weights, and testing their raw physical prowess against other men. RPGs are at best something they play with their children.
>>97709682>Manly man posturing by a skinnyfat guy from mom's basement
>>97709682>Real men are out there hunting, fishing, shooting, lifting weights, and testing their raw physical prowess against other men.He says, while posting a picture of someone sitting in a room playing chess.A bearded lady, one presumes?
>>97709687Whatever makes you feel better about your feminine hobbies. >>97709690I just scrolled through my randomly sorted memes folder (Downloads) and posted the first GigaChad I found. Chess isn't the most masculine hobby, but it's more masculine than RPGs because it's directly matching your wit with a competitor. Meanwhile, trying to PvP in RPGs usually just gets you labelled "that guy".
>>97709682>Being good at activity that require being able to think is feminineI would tell you to rethink your post but clearly thinking is not one your strengths.
>>97709705>because it's directly matching your witSounds effeminate. You were very clear in your last post that masculinity requires "raw physical prowess".For that matter even using a computer and posting on 4chan is effeminate according to your own stated standards of what real men do for recreation, you prancing la-la lady-man.
>>97709705>has a meme folder>posts gay men>playing chessSure sounds like a fruitcake
>>97707308I believe the argument referenced is"There are dragons in this game and you think [socially progressive thing] is unrealistic for the setting?"
