would a elden ring tabletop game would work?
NoThat style of organic world building can not be done in a ttrpg medium
Solo boss-rush tactics boardgame thats more like a puzzle trying to figure out every room? Maybe two players?Just making it a party based ttrpg and sprinkling the setting on top seems a bit lazy.
>>97710860Board game - maybe, but it would be likely a clunker in stile of The WitcherTTRPG - not at all
>>97710860Would work better as a board game. Check out Kingdom Death.
>>97710860Would a would ??
>>97710992sorry
OP here again. could you pitch an idea on how a ER ttrpg/ boatd game would look like? I have no ideas lol
>>97711030>boatd gameProbably like something resembling a boat.
>>97711038lel
>>97710860Sloppy Elden sex with Melina
>>97710860Try playing video games. Video games are great at being video games.
There already is a Dark Souls boardgame
There is already a line of shitty Dark Souls and Elden Ring board and card games and D&D splats by SFG. There is also another line of Bloodborne board games by another studio.If you're not EOP you can play the full game as a trpg from start to finish with this handy 600 page manual based on the earlier Dark Souls TRPG by the same group (not the SFG one)
>>97711146thanks
itd be total trash, but whenever someone calls it trash you say "well you just suck at it"
>>97710869Could you speak to that more?
>>97711269
Probably, there's a handful of distinct factions
>>97711337>bitches don't know about Zanzibart
>>97711111Try thinking about how its design philosophy could be applied to a tabletop RPG and how tabletop RPG mechanics could adapt its features. Tabletop RPGs are great at being tabletop RPGs.
>>97710860hytpd&d?
>>97711030Here is what I would do: make a board game about the shattering. Game is a map of the Lands Between, every play picks a Demigod that starts in a different spot on the map with their own unique abilities and a randomly drawn Great Rune. Each Great Rune gives a special ability or buff as long as you have it. All of the other spaces on the map besides starting spaces have either static unique effects for claiming them, or randomized dunegons/points of interest and so on. Some might give you resources, or special items, or key items that interact with other zones or the ending, or forces for your army. So on.So each round is the players expanding outward and claiming more of the map, with their Demigod being by far their strongest unit but they can't be everywhere at once. Meanwhile, in the middle of the map is the Erdtree which starts the game sealed. You can steal other player's Great Runes by beating their Demigod in a fight, but this doesn't actually knock them out of the game.With 2 or 3 Great Runes you can unlock the Erdtree in the middle of the map, which reveals the final victory condition for the game. Anyone who satisfies that condition first is the winner. So the person with multiple Great Runes is *probably* going to win, having the advantage of the strongest guy, but they might not be able to leverage that power for a specific victory condition. And one of the victory condition options will randomly just make everyone have to fight the Elden beast as a team instead of anyone winning solo.
>>97710860I do Miyazaki DMing all the time. I insert feet whenever I can, never explain anything and let the players come up with explanations for the plot that I then retroactively canonize.
>>97710860No, there's no way to represent soulslike combat in a turn-based system
>>97710860a random adventure based on it maybe
>>97714103Fires Far Away manages it.
>>97711225Underrated.
>>97710860I don't know, do you want to spend $200+ to find out?
>>97714724Never, ever give money to Steamforged Games. They make tie in games that always fail to function as games. Like, the Dark Souls board game has all sorts of bits and minis to it but the game itself is *miserable* to play.
>>97714740Fair enough. The only thing I'd even get close to buying from them would be warmachine anyway
>>97710860Go play it and find out.
>>97714763To clarify my previous point instead of vagueposting: The dark souls board game is done in the form of drawl tiles to build a multi-room dungeon leading up to a boss fight. Each room has its own set of enemies that spawn on specific spaces. When the players enter the room the fight starts and it goes player 1 -> all enemies -> player 2 -> all enemies, etc. At the end of every room clear, everyone heals all of their damage and restores their stamina. So as long as you don't die, you basically go into every new fight 'fresh' with the exception of a couple of abilities that don't recharge until you go back and rest at the bonfire.So every fight is essentially a 'puzzle' where you want to use your abilities and actions to knock down enemies before they can hit you, prioritizing the enemies that can attack you sooner and leaving the slower enemies to be dealt with later, using the enemy placement and action AI to your advantage. But once you beat a room, you now know how to solve that room because it won't change. You would only fail to beat that room on a later run by pure RNG fucking up your rolls. When you rest at the bonfire, you refresh all of your resources and can spend xp you earned from fights to boost your stats or draw random new equipment. Stats only really help you qualify to use new equipment. randomly drawing new gear (armor or weapons, mixed together) means that most of the time early game you are drawing new stuff that you probably cannot use with your current stats, and later game you are drawing random gear that is worse than what you already have. You always end up with a bunch of spare garbage you can't or won't use. But once you start actually upgrading your gear, the idea that you will fail to clear a room that you beat before is even less likely because now you are doing more damage or have better defense and those enemies are all the same as before.
>>97714895The boss fight at the end is a single powerful enemy with a deck of AI cards that never get shuffled, once you know the order of the cards that order will never change, allowing you to now know the order of incoming attacks. This is a reasonable simplification of the dark souls boss attack pattern concept.You have a set number of bonfire rests before the bonfire turns off. So you have that many tries to kill the boss, or to kill as many rooms of guys and rest again to spend xp and get stronger. But if you beat the boss, you do not get any additional xp for remaining bonfire uses that you didn't need. A given 'game' is supposed to include 2-3 dungeon/boss iterations with the same characters progressing. So not getting the most XP now and using it on earlier runs means going into later dungeons and bosses weaker than you could have been.You see the problem? The game WANTS you to replay the same rooms over and over again, despite the fact that they offer no additional challenge. And your reward for doing so is random gear, hoping you get something that falls within your strike range of something good you can use right now, or leveling up to use something you've already bought but cannot currently equip. Its extremely tedious and boring to play.So they built the game around the idea of respawning and fighting the same enemies again and again on the way to a boss to farm xp to get stronger, the soulslike experience, but in a way that makes for a TERRIBLE game. It is "accurate" but in a bad way.
A reminder that the Japanese dark souls TTRPG is actually good
>>97711337He might have the shadow of a point if he actually worked on something that's not shit
>>97711337It's weird how most of what humor this guy has written is annoying dross, but this joke is so dead-on and precise it could be a fucking missile.
>>97714895>>97714929This sounds exactly like Dark Souls except by DS2 the developers realized having a boss delay his attacks could unreasonably skullfuck players.
>>97715965The ironic part is that it comes out more as a bitter commentary than as a good humoured joke
>women are smarter than the men Gross
>>97716101I think it comes off as bitter because it reads as someone who bounced off of fromsoft games and got made about it, whereas its objectively true that if you look at the worlds of the games the lore really is that deep. It being a clever fake would explain the trick working once because maybe they just got lucky, but they keep doing it successfully and at some point you have to just accept that its not smoke and mirrors and youtubers hallucinating lore into existence. It feels like the narrative equivalent of someone who booted up Dark Souls, got murdered by skeletons in Firelink Shrine, never figured out the core gameplay loop and declared the game to be shit and uninstalled. You're not wrong that its obtuse, but its also clear you didn't get it.
>>97716372I see it more like he looks embittered by the success the formula has, from a professional point of view. It looks clear that he is mad at the attention and love such lore exposition is getting, while he considers it lazy, making it obvious that he is petty and either didn't get it or he's actually in bad faith.
>>97711225We already have dnd at home.
>>97716372>>97716413It comes off as bitter because the guy is the lead writer of Borderlands 3, the game that was bashed by everyone for having absolute terrible writing and being a gigantic step down from Borderlands 2. So you have someone for which the epitome of writing is having five characters screaming plot points at you while rapid firing unfunny jokes and pop culture references complaining that the games that don't do that and instead employ subtlety are generally better received. It comes off as bitter because it's clearly bitter.
>>97714994I think the system is really neat! I should pick up the AC TRPG that dropped
>>97714994>>97717475this?https://archive.org/details/96-dark-souls-trpg-japanese-trpg-translation-project-v-0-1/page/n77/mode/1up
>>97717604Yeah elden ring has a few changes on top of the Dark Souls TRPG and its expansions. Not sure if the fan translation has all of the content from the original series by group SNE
>>97714487So, it has stamina for every character, that is consumed by their different actions at different rates, replenishes at different speeds AND replenishes every time anyone takes any action, has different actions take different amounts of time to wind up and cool down that you have to allow for before you can take other actions, and allows constant turn interruption by every character against every character if they have the stamina to allow that action? Because if you don't have all of that, you don't have Soulslike combat.
>>97718901FFA has a 'stamina bar' mechanic where at the start of each round each player rolls their 'Stamina Bar', which is a number of d6 based on their stats. Some actions cost a specific value of stamina, like attacks with heavier weapons costing more stamina than attacks with lighter weapons. You combine as many stamina die as you need to meet the cost. Other actions require a single die with a value of X or higher and you can't combine die to meet that requirement (dodging, for example, requires a higher value of die depending on your equipped gear vs your capacity). Some actions, like moving, just require you to sac a die of any value. So essentially, every round you get a 'hand' of dice, and have to figure out what the dice your rolled for this turn will reasonably let you do. You might not be able to do the optimal actions you WANTED this round, but you'll always be able to do something this round. You can spend stamina die on Reactions even if its not your turn, but this depletes the same stamina dice that you use during your turn so you have to balance blowing your turn on the most actions possible without totally exhausting yourself for the rest of the round, or you could get attacked a bunch before your turn even starts and be forced to spend stamina on defensive actions ahead of time.
>>97719266Huh, that's actually pretty close.
>>97719266Players at the end of their turn choose which other player goes next after them, but enemies in the fight have a collective number of "interrupts" that allow them to insert a turn of their own at any time that control passes between players. If you are fighting a group of enemies that collectively have 4 interrupts, they could all blow their actions before any player even gets a turn, sprinkle them throughout the round, or reserve their actions until the end. Some enemies have hard coded actions that happen so long as they are alive, for example Firebomb Hollows never use an interrupt, but they do throw a firebomb each at the end of the round after all other turns and interrupts have resolved. They are slow, but slow isn't the same as harmless. Its also worth pointing out that an interrupt is NOT a turn. By which I mean, its not a 1:1 relationship. Some enemies bring multiple interrupts into the fight with them to add to the pool. And they are a shared resource among enemies. You could have an enemy that sits at the back of the room and does JACK SHIT this round, meanwhile one aggressive Balder Knight just aggressively keeps attacking you three times in a row.It makes for a very flexible battlefield where even if you know exactly what the enemy is capable of, you can't be sure how and where the interrupts will be used, or how many of them at a time, or by who. So you have to play cautiously or a GM could pounce on you with a bunch of interrupts at once and pick off a player who left themselves exposed.
>>97710860there already is a dark souls boardgame
>>97726139Please don't bump from the bottom of page 10 like that unless you actually have something to say.
>>97713676Unironically pretty based way to run a game
>>97715965Broken clock
>>97715970Oooo, sounds like someone had a rough time with the aged smelter demon.
>>97726791Right twice a day.
>>97716164CopeMales get bonuses to Str and DexWomen get bonuses to Int and Faith
>>97719266The stamina system produces an issue where the numbers favours spending it on reactions and avoiding damage over actually being aggressive.
>>97735083Yeah, the guy who made it later said that he'd recommend making cumulative dodges in a round be more difficult (so if the first dodge was at a 2+, then second would require a 3+, then a 4+, etc) to make holding dice to just spam dodging less attractive and easy to do. The important thing to remember about FFA is that its basically untested. The guy put the books on /tg/, not enough people cared about it to build a critical mass and do playtests, and then he sort of just dropped it and moved on. It wasn't until years later that people looked at it again and went "hey, there's actually something neat here". If it had gotten even just one or two passes of polish it would probably be a much better system. But it came out after the creative spirit of /tg/ was already passing from this board, the golden age of homebrews behind us.
>>97734679Malenia is stronger and faster than Radahn tho
>>97732649False presumption. If the clock is running yet is not running correctly, it is still broken, and not right twice a day.
>>97736574It is a reference to a common idiom dear."Even a stopped clock is right twice a day".Which means that even a one-note dimbulb who only has one canard, occasionally has the chance to say "See? See!? I told you it was mole people!"
>>97710860Never played Elden Ring, so I’m not sure.Isn’t Elden Ring another one of those gloomy, dreary, settings where everything’s kinda bleak and there’s not a lot to hope for?I think the market might be a bit over saturated with cynical settings for it to find its place anyway.
>>97710860Sure, there's a large transgender install base on the tabletop scene these days, nobody loves FROMsoft more than those people.
>>97737086Its a Fromsoft game, but not as bleak as they have been in the past. The world is broken in Elden Ring, in that everything is being orchestrated by a revolving door of eldritch horrors playing tug of war with the world and setting up proxy rulers to make the mortals do things on their behalf. Right now the previous order has been broken and people are fighting over the chains placed on the world by the Greater Will (the most recent eldritch horror in charge) which both bind what the rules of the world are and also make you the defacto ruler of humanity. Depending on what choices you make you can simply step into the role of Elden Lord, reform the world to be less shit but still under the same general system, burn it all down and kill literally everyone, or break free of the chains of gods entirely and free the world from further interference for the foreseeable future.So its kinda fucked, but not horribly so.
>>97710869False. Play kingdom death.
>>97736565>stronger and faster>only beat him through space aids.I dunno about that one, little bro. Caelid wouldn't be the shithole it is if she could actually throw hands.
>>97737514She literally one shotted him, buddy.
>>97739345After giving in to the AIDS yeah
>>97711146>picThis ever get a fan translation? Just picked it up and started looking at translation apps. But won’t bother if someone else put in the work.
>>97710869Elden Ring and all fromsoft games have no worldbuilding. Everything is based on vibes and feels good shit.
>>97743373They have a ton of worldbuilding, it just isn't handed to you. You have to pay attention to your surroundings, read shit, and know enough history and architecture to be able to recognize which areas are tied to what eras of the setting's past based on common building designs and motifs. Like, Bloodborne has an entire ancient religion that predates the healing church and that Yarnham was built around, and not a single line of dialog or text references it, its story is told entirely in the form of statues. The evidence of it built into the city having long outlived the religion itself.
>>97743373Sekiro?
>>97743427That's not worldbuilding. Worldbuilding is a systematic attempt at constructing a coherent world. It's on the name. What Elden Ring does is mish-mash a lot of concepts, throw random pieces of incoherent information and let the players hallucinate the rest in their heads. If single pieces of distributed information were considered worldbuilding then any piece of media like movies or Disney shows can be considered to have plenty of it because they have unimportant internal references.
>>97743470So whats the magic number of individual pieces of information that build to the same conclusion without the developer holding your hand and saying it in plain text before it becomes worldbuilding, anon?Like, the Divine Towers, which we are told were used by the Two Fingers to connect with the Greater Will. You have the towers themselves, which are not of a design represented by anything else you see in the game in terms of architecture. You have the bridges that connect to them, which are of a different style AND building material that is instead commonplace in other areas of the game associated with Erdtree/Great Tree worship. You can look at the places where the bridges and the towers meet and the fact that they were not built at the same time or by the same people is obvious. The top of every Divine Tower is built around an enshrined meteorite, surrounded by 8 smaller enshrined meteorites. This pattern is the exact same arrangement as that of the Eye of the Fell God, which the Fire giants worshiped. The Divine Towers are splashed with molten rock, a detail that the game considers important enough that it even makes sure to include it in their icons on the minimap. The only icon on the map that also shows the molten rock is the Forge of the Fire Giants, cementing that these are things that are connected.So tell me how it isn't worldbuilding that the Divine Towers were originally built by the giants as sites of their worship of the Fell God, which the later Tree Worshiping civilizations repurposed and rebranded in their own religion dedicated to the Greater Will? Does it not count just because we are never told this explicitly by an NPC dumping exposition on us about ancient history?
>>97710860No.
>>97710860>mfw everything in the DLCSo, a warmonger whose men feed civilians to animals is nice. An alleged genius spent potentially years letting himself get raped when he had brainwashing powers, loyal men willing to suicide bomb for him, and other resources that could've jump started his plans early but never did. And that genius could've retrieved a body from any of the mausoleums to transplant his sick sister into but didn't get any of them.
>>97710860You need to preserve the essence of Elden RingMake sure bosses get 8 actions to your character's 1 every round
>>97748196You don't understand, attacking you 8 times in a row actually makes them easy to beat because you should have been parrying them.
>>97743373That's a very stupid can of worms to open. It's like saying "40k has no lore, it's just aesthetics."
>>97710860Random Margits coming out of nowhere, ambushing you.
>>97748167>none of that is what happened>the implication anyone is a good guy because they're less of a bad guy than previously thoughtyou're not gonna survive on this board long.
>>97737086no it's the one where their entire design philosophy is romanticist paintings but with more color.
>>97748167Miquilla's entire plan hinges on Radahn dying so that he can perform the consort ritual. The scarlet rot didn't finish him off, and none of Miquella's mind controlled servants could take Radahn in a fight to put his body down for good. Interestingly, everything we see at the Haligtree indicates that Miquella might have had an entirely different plan at the start. The Haligtree murals and shit all seem to depict a faceless, adult Miquella emerging from the cocoon in his full power and making the Haligtree into the new, rival Erdtree under a new order. But the Halitree is also full of other people in cocoons that died in them, failing to emerge. So its seems like Miquella might have had a different plan at the start for how to ascend to godhood but that turned out not to be viable and he pivoted to his DLC plan, or the DLC plan was always on the table and the Haligtree was a necessary step that he needed to breach his way into the Land of Shadow to get access to the divine gate. We are told that the Land of Shadow is physically disconnected from the lands between, despite occupying the same space, because the power of the Erdtree seals it away. Perhaps he needed the power of a rival tree to overcome that barrier. Perhaps, if his plan had been unfettered, he *would* have emerged from the cocoon in his full divine power. That is where we enter the Land of Shadow from, and its clear that his physical form is still there in some capacity.
>>97743436The best souls game because it completely excuses fanta-shit and just states the series' crypto-Buddhism in the planest possible terms.>>97743520Nobody bothered to respond to your because there is zero depth to any of this recycled souls-shit.
>>97748291>The scarlet rot didn't finish him off, and none of Miquella's mind controlled servants could take Radahn in a fight to put his body down for good.>be Mohg>your brother as Margit can defeat Radahn>but Miquella thinks you're so shit that he doesn't trust you to kill his dying boyfriend even if you pooled all your forces and assaulted him with Haligtree reinforcementsFormless Mother, not even once.
>>97748167Now is the time to be grateful to the heroic sacrifice of Genichiro Ashina, permitting the existence of the finest final boss. When he resurrected a mid-game optional dying, sick warlord, it was a good boss.
>>97748311Radahn was going to die because of the festival. What was actually needed was for Mohg to die. Which it is implied that you did because Miquiella's influence led you to fight him. Because there's no logical reason to go out of your way to fight Mohg otherwise.
>>97748327>Because there's no logical reason to go out of your way to fight Mohg otherwise.
>>97748327What about the part where the player's a murder hobo who kills demigods for runes? Or Gideon offering rewards for information on the Lord of Blood?
>>97748273>>97748291>>97748327This is some retarded headcanon.
>>97748327>What was actually needed was for Mohg to dieMake him leap off a cliff
>>97743520>saying it in plain text before it becomes worldbuilding, anon?What do you mean by plain text? 90% of souls lore is on loredumps in plain text item descriptiosn that have nothing to do with the world. Is the blandest form of lore portrayal and it's excelled by other rpgs greatly.>The Divine Towers I don't know what to tell you. You really think that Elden Ring invented environmental storytelling? A lot of other RPGs have it. But they bother to tell their lores in more purposeful ways so they don't get this fake cult around them.
>>97748337gameplay-wise there is, story-wise it's kind of contrived the tarnished would go through all the steps needed to even get there and then go to great lengths to kill him. By the time you reach him you already have enough great runes to become elden lord and he's more difficult to beat than the fucking final boss. Try to keep up if this is so hard for you.
>>97748167Stop being mean to animals. There's nothing wrong with cooking food for them.
>>97748291>We are told that the Land of Shadow is physically disconnected from the lands between, despite occupying the same space, because the power of the Erdtree seals it away. Perhaps he needed the power of a rival tree to overcome that barrier.Or there's different ways in like godwyn death knights
>>97748350>story-wise it's kind of contrivedNo, it's not. Your player kills demigods for resources.
>>97748350Does anon think level is a story thing? That inexplicably the Dragonborrow's Radahn Soldiers are way stronger that Caelid's somehow? The final boss rewards more runes.
>>97748350>he's more difficult to beat than the fucking final bossHe's a ridiculously anticlimactic easy boss in spite of the endgame scaling.
>>97748350Not really, our Tarnished is hunting Great Rune holders. If you're willing to visit the Haligtree, then Mohg's an early game Varre unlock.
>>97748350Mohg's easy to cheese. He's slow, he's weak to bloodloss even though he gets buffed by it, and if your build works, it can one-shot him before he can nihil and heal. A semi-skilled player can simply dodge all the attacks due to how slow they are compared to other endgame bosses
>>97748353What about the suicide bombers
>>97748376Kindness
>>97748380What about the ill sister?
>>97748344>You really think that Elden Ring invented environmental storytelling?You wanna move those goalposts a bit further, anon? First you said it didn't exist at all, now you say it exists but doesn't count unless its the first time done in history.
>>97748338You have enough runes by the time you get there. You only need 2. Radahn was 1 and required to get there. You have to go out of your way for it to be otherwise. And Gideon is asking for knowledge not for you to be a murder hobo. >>97748357>>97748368Sorry you guys are retarded. Maybe go watch a fucking some vati lore shit if you don't remember the most basic fucking premise: You only need two great runes.>>97748364you clearly don't remember shit. Why are you even trying. >>97748372ah there it is. I guess him being easy to cheese is part of the lore now too. >>97748360as you can see above, yes. They can't tell the difference between the story elements and gameplay.
>be Miquella>turned his soldiers into suicide bombers without them being aware of it>sent Malenia on a glorified suicide mission because he got rejected by Radahn>never figured out Radahn is a warmonger whose occupied castles are full of stinking corpses of its past inhabitants>his dumbass sister can't even finish the job>when the battle ends he leaves her to die>mind rapes Mohg>never told him to stop creating a blood cult full of invading killers>abandons his followers without telling them where he's going or what his plans are which is why they jihad themselves>lets his domain fall to such ruin because he's an asshole, there's no reason for him to be bumming around the Land of Shadows when he can't do shit without the Tarnished>all before he "abandoned his love">even though he needs Radahn and Mohg dead as part of his plans, and he has massive loyal manpower, he doesn't do shit>no Miquella follower at the Radahn festival>No Needle Knights or Dryleaf Sect ganking Radahn in the first place, saved Freyja instead>nobody in the Haligtree knows Mohgwyn Dynasty's location even though Malenia can singlehandedly clear the house>can compel others but can't achieve a basic messenger so the Haligtree's forces can storm the place>does extensive studies on Scarlet Rot which is empowered by despair like Millicent's questline trying to use treachery to make her bloom>heavily risks Malenia thinking she's abandoned and nuking the place wholesale
>mfw dlc dickrider doesn't play the game
>>97748385>You have enough runes by the time you get thereMohgwyn? Srs?
>>97748385What's with this expectation the player is a speedrunner? Great runes are powerful. Getting them means more power.
>>97748385You didn't play the game or did Varre's questline.
>>97748385Why is anon playing strange double standards on gameplay and story? You're using boss mechanics and stats then chalking them as unrelated when the boss itself is easy.
>>97748385>Sorry you guys are retarded. Maybe go watch a fucking some vati lore shit if you don't remember the most basic fucking premise:>You only need two great runes.Like killing Mohg for one.
>>97748353>go through redmane caste and nearby radahn forts>gladiator beasts surrounding piles of corpses>corpses clearly have the commoner clothes>unburnt corpses so they aren't scarlet rot infected>mfw wondering if radahn, jerren, and everyone else knows armies need logistics and castles need a civilian staff managing daily activities like cookingA strange day when you're more likely to survive under godrick than radahn. Nothing says kindness like feeding your castle staff to wild animals.
>>97748385>And Gideon is asking for knowledge not for you to be a murder hobo.There's ways to do one without beating people up for the other?
>>97748400>the boss is easyyou went there overleveled after shooting the bird a million times.
>>97748402You hate animals.
>>97748401Oh yeah and for the other rune you can go kill millenia.
>>97748291Doubtful.Rellana and Gaius's presence places the Crusade after the Second Liurnian War and the alliance between Caria and Leyndell. Gaius is a contemporary of Radahn and friend of Messmer, meaning that their time in Leyndell overlapped, and Rellana being Rennala's sister means she would've met Messmer after the peace.
>>97748405>>97748409No, you didn't play the game. Malenia is post Leyndell.
>>97748395You retards are the ones insisting the player is a speedrunner. Going to a super late game optional boss as your second great rune? You gonna cheese the death rite bird to get the poker too?
>>97748409Glitch my way to the Haligtree? Elphael is post Leyndell.
>>97748419He clearly means getting strength from collecting them all.
>>97748420>>97748417they only get dumber and dumber.
>>97748419Nobody said it needed to be the second. great runes = power. Collecting them = being stringer. What if the player assumes enemies are strong and wants to ensure they're strong enough to take them? Or hunt future threats because they want to be Elden Lord and rule over their lands?
>I was pretending to be retarded and avoided answering the question
>>97748414Adding to this, the Death Knights are guaranteed post-Shattering given they're Godwyn men who "quested to find their transfigured master's cadaver surrogate". Unless for some reason they're there first, found out about Godwyn's status in spite of a lack of communication with outsiders, then became Death Knights, it's likely they were there first. Unless the LoS closed off post-Shattering, there's ways through our player don't know.
>>97748405NTA but you ever Kamehameha? Or low level run? Either works.
>>97748422There is nothing gameplay or story-wise to suggest for a second that you need to kill even half of them to have enough strength to get to the end. Sure. If you suck and need to be massively overleveled, but even then killing some dragons gets your leveled more with less effort. When the argument is "these retards can't tell the difference between story and game mechanics" then insisting on the specifics of the game mechanics concedes the argument.
>>97748426Great runes don't meant power retard. Regular runes mean power. The great runes aren't spent to make you more powerful like that. Hell even in the gameplay you can only use one at a time. you fuckers haven't played the game in a while.
>>97748439>>97748444Lorelet, why were theyc ollected? Theyr'e major pieces of the Elden Ring
>>97748439>There is nothing gameplay or story-wise to suggest for a second that you need to kill even half of them to have enough strength to get to the endThere's nothing suggesting that they're a detriment.
>>97748439>There is nothing gameplay or story-wise to suggest for a second that you need to kill even half of them to have enough strength to get to the end. Sure. If you suck and need to be massively overleveled, but even then killing some dragons gets your leveled more with less effortNothing says need, but they're helpful because they make you stronger. The demigods scooped them not for shits and giggles.
>>97748439>When the argument is "these retards can't tell the difference between story and game mechanics" then insisting on the specifics of the game mechanics concedes the argument.Yeah like >>97748385 does
>>97748444Since when has levels been the only kind of power, anon? Every great rune gives you mechanical boosts or abilities you didn't previously have access to. We generally call that getting more powerful. You're trying to pigeonhole this into some weird semantic argument, and arguing semantics is the last refuge of someone who has already lost the argument.
Dlc dickrider don't play games
>>97748438>it's easy>if you cheese it and that just kills the whole reason the retards are trying to insist he's an easy boss. Because we're talking about the lore and they can't seem to tell the difference between cheesing a boss and what was happens canonically in the story.
>>97748439>>97748444>Soon, Marika's offspring, demigods all, claimed the shards of the Elden Ring. The mad taint of their newfound strength triggered the Shattering.>newfound strength
>>97748466>>it's easy>>if you cheese itWelcome to combat in general. Fighting's all about exploiting gaps in defenses, having overwhelming firepower, and otherwise an unfair advantage.
>muh lore and gameplay when it applies to me but selectively when it doesn't DLC dickriders don't play.
>>97748384I see you're one of those who is really stupid who think he is smart. Not only you're so stupid you can't differentiate between environmental storytelling and worldbuilding, but you also didn't read the initial post I was responding to which said no other RPG would be able to convey the same level of organic storytelling as Elden Ring, when there's plenty of other videogames and setting with both better conveyed lore and equally or improved storytelling than Elden Ring. Then again I was probably expecting too much from fans of these games.
>>97748453>why were they collectedyou need two to enter the fucking tree. That's it. That's the lore. That's the whole fucking reason you're sent to find them. It's even implied other tarnished found others you never encounter.>>97748458>since when has the goalpost been only in this locationfucker, don't miss the forest for the trees. You need two great runes. Everything else is a bonus.That's all. Regular runes, special weapons, extra great runes, it's all a bonus to assist in the main task of becoming elden lord. And the point you retards are so upset about is that Mohg is the second least great rune worth trying to get for that. And REGARDLESS OF THAT it's still implied Miquilla was guiding you to him.>>97748468Yes. And then later, how many are you told you need of those? You gonna quote that?>>97748472Irrelevant to the point thanks for your retarded input.
Is it wrong to want more power?
>>97748479What's with the assumption the player seeks the bare minimum or that there's no reason to get more afterwards?
>>97748479NTA but you admit Great Runes DO give more power and that stockpiling them collects power?
>I want to conquer my enemies and become stronger >Nah, not other Shardbarrers
this guy behaves like bleach wiki admins
>>97748481There is no assumption retard. That's you making off with the goalposts.>>97748483In the same way having a second car doubles how much horsepower you have. You can only use one rune at a time. So not really.
>>97748466>Because we're talking about the lore>>97748350>he's more difficult to beat than the fucking final boss.
>>97748495>In the same way having a second car doubles how much horsepower you have. You can only use one rune at a time. So not really.Is that a story thing or a gameplay thing?
>>97748498If you could cheese a higher rank in League of Legends you'd think it meant you were good at the game.
>>97748495>There is no assumption retard.>In the same way having a second car doubles how much horsepower you have.There's many. You're trying to insist you only need two and that your player loses interest in collecting more. You also assume it's lore to only equip one.
>>97748495Second car means swapping whenever needed. Highly useful even if you assume gameplay is plot.
>>97748501The game only lets you have one horsepower
>says boss harder>not harder>insisting plot says he's harder Why
>>97748508Literally never insisted that, you made that up because you didn't like being told that the lore reason for you entering the DLC realm was because Miquilla told you to. When that's literally just the lore.
>Radagon Health>13,339>Elden Beast Health>22,127>total 35,466>drops 500,000 runes>Mohg has 18,389 HP>drops 420,000 runes
>>97748480Depends. Are you feeling motivated?
>>97748512If you had to fight god in your car you're only gonna use one.
>>97748514>>97748525Why assume this? Game mechanics say you can't have more than 3 right and left weapons though your inventory has infinite space.
>>97748525>he lore reason for you entering the DLC realm was because Miquilla told you to.Who said this?
>>97748530You picking choose which is better. This assumes one at a time is lore and not gameplay when having 2 has effects 1 doesn't
>>97748535At least 3 of the half dozen 'party members' you meet in the DLC.
>>97748525>Miquilla told you toWhat is this headcanon?
>>97748546do you normally argue about the lore of game DLC you never played?
Why is tis guy arbitrarily not just asserting headcanon but also assuming game mechanics are automatically lore but also discounting them whenever inconvenient?
>>97748545>>97748550>Miquella brainwashed 100% reliable narrators
>>97748545>>97748550That's about as accurate as assuming they're right. Miquella compelled without ever meeting you before?
>>97748545>At least 3 of the half dozen 'party members' you meet in the DLC.And Shabriri is 100% correct, Hyetta never lies, Soulsborne isn't filled with unreliable sources.
hello. i'm a passive aggressive bitch and respond without quoting. I LIKE COCK.
>>97748532>>97748542What if the world was made of pudding?The lore is still that the tarnished was charmed by miquilla until he broke his great rune. >>97748552>>97748553>aha you see they were also charmed therefore you can't trust them to talk to you as if you're also charmed with themso do you even have a headcanon you believe in place of this or are you just being retarded to be contrarian?
>>97748545>>97748550DLC dickriders don't play
>>97748558>The lore is still that the tarnished was charmed by miquilla until he broke his great rune.
>>97748558>asserting Ok. No evidence needed. Just trusting
>>97748556The argument was "that's headcanon" wasn't it? And you calling NPCs liars makes it not headcanon? Or have you completely lost the plot?
>>97748558Tarnished themselves are not directly shown to be charmed by Miquella before entering the Land of Shadow
>>97748558>>97748564>And you calling NPCs liarsNTA but this is headcanon. Automatically assuming trustworthiness in a game like this isn't good.
>>97748558>The lore is still that the tarnished was charmed by miquilla until he broke his great rune.Source
>>97748562>>97748559>>97748563>shit said in the DLC isn't canon to the DLC loreYou know what? you win. congrats. You're the new vati videogames or whatever.
>>97748573>>shit said in the DLCSource
>>97748573>anything a character says is true
>>97748565There also isn't any proof in Dark Souls 2.
>>97748558>>97748564>>97748573Where's the part where Miquella compelled the player? These are optional bosses suggesting the opposite.
>>97748564Is this anon's first Soulsborne? Unreliable narrators are everywhere. It's proving any are reliable that's the biggest thing.
>>97748583What does that even have to do with anything?
>Tell the literal forrest gump-tier retarded bugman "everything is fine keep on keeping on" for him to rejoin Miquella>Tell Freyja that Radahn is team Miquella for her to rejoin>Deny Hornsent his revenge on Messmet/help Leda invade him for him to rejoinMiquella is a cartoonishly evil control freak and you have to be mentally deranged to ignore this
>no proof, going directly against game quotes about great runes being powerful, and sucking off dlcD L C dickriders don't play the game.
>>97748588Are you replying to someone? who was saying otherwise?
The fuckiest thing about Miquella to me is, besides how dumb he is, he's supposed to be a fallen hero of sorts and too compassionate for his own good. But in practice, he's directly responsible for a TON of bad shit and especially unnecessary bad things. As pointed out above, are the Haligtree Foot Soldier suicide bombers necessary? That's just the tip of the iceberg. He didn't compel Mohg to stop turning Tarnished into Bloody Fingers and killing innocents. This was back in his old body where Trina tries convincing us how he used to be much better but everything points to him being a monster anyway before abandoning his heart and love.Fucking Griffith is a complete sociopath but even in his earlier years he felt some compassion for a child that joined his ranks and ended up dead. He sacrificed the Band of the Hawk at the Eclipse but that was necessary to ascend. He never made his men into suicide bombers for no reason. He'll use and kill you for his own ends but he doesn't go on a random killing spree for fun. Miquella ended up significantly worse than Griffith for no reason other than bad writing.
>>97748590you sure showed those people playing the DLC that they were wrong about things that happened in the DLC.
>>97748596>not a single source or quote No proof you even touched the game
>>97748594My problem is how badly Miquella executed his plans with his resources. Ranni watching Miquella must be like watching someone starve at a buffet. Look at how different her situation is>Has Blaidd, who was sent by Two Fingers to be her shadow but is usually her most reliable ally>Iji who's busy smithing>Severus, unreliable rapist, and his puppets>this new rando Tarnished>some imprisoned Raya Lucaria soldiers from the other side of an ongoing civil war>guard dragon who attacks his co-workers>send Blaidd wherever she can>Radahn Festival has Blaidd, one of Severus' puppets and Tarnished sent>clearly sending the best manpower she has including the new guy who's more competent than she expected>send Blaidd after to find the Fingerslayer Blade, and the Tarnished if needed, the Tarnished being again more competent than expected>if Tarnished is here from Fia then assume they're just after your old body so it's a mutually beneficial done deal>only abandon your men when you fully believe you must journey alone, Iji knowing and accepting, Blaidd imprisoned by Iji because Ranni and Iji know who sent him and at least one assassin dressed like Blaidd attacks her, and Severus is disposed ofIf Ranni had her own Malenia, she would use her to her fullest like Blaidd. She always sends her most trusted best men to do the job, the Tarnished is just more competent than all of them. She doesn't have a fraction of Miquella's resources yet she makes what from her POV is optimal use.
>>97748605Miquella's power isn't compelling, it's stupidity. He makes everyone retarded enough to think he's got good ideas.
>>97748594A common theme in japanese works is the idea of the benevolent villain that has some notion of good or purity that is portrayed as genuine, but the pursuit of that noble goal has made them an absolute monster because such wonderful ends justify any and all means. So everything in the narrative sucks their dick, but you look at their actions and see nothing but horrors and thats why this fucker needs to die despite the fact that they genuinely think they are the savior of the world. Light doesn't always mean good.
>>97748611That works. Why do you die when he hugs you twice? You get a brain aneurysm from sheer stupidity because he infected you with stupid twice. Even PCR's lesser powers compared to Starscourge Radahn are explained. He can't use all his moves because Miquella's sheer presence lowers his INT stat. The reason he stops using Spinning Gravity Bomb in Phase 2? Miquella on his back lowered his INT stat too low. Even the reason he doesn't use Cragblade when Starscourge Radahn does is because Miquella's sheer stupid presence makes him too stupid to remember it. It feels like compelling because he passes his dumbness to you and Miquella seems more convincing because he makes you too dumb to retort.
>>97748613>The reason he stops using Spinning Gravity Bomb in Phase 2?More than that, what about Cragblade and other moves Starscourge Radahn uses he doesn't have anymore?
>>97748613>>97748618Oh wait sorry I didn't read ahead. Meant collapsing stars
>>97748611One could argue that because he can make people love and support him to an irrational degree, he's never really had to think things through. He can just DECLARE PEACE and the fight is over, and afterwards everyone agrees that he was right all along no matter how stupid his position was. He isn't stupid exactly, his plans *do* work, but he's never needed to play the game well because his love hax has never failed him.
>>97748594Most of the shit about him being good is through the lens of "the person telling you this might have been under the influence of his magic when they said it". He doesn't seem to be actually that "good", when you get past that he comes accross more as logical and scientific. He's biased to his sister and to his own selfish desires that he tries to twist into his plans. But his main plan is: the elden ring is broken because the flawed people who make up some of its cogs are broken, and he thinks he can do better.There's also some vague destiny crap tied in there, which might suggest he can't fix it because he's technically within the system himself. So he's doomed to just repeat the same failures. Ranni was the one who had the right idea of breaking out of the destined path. And half the endings your can get in the game are you just renewing the cycle differently, maybe in a better way, maybe worse. But suicide bombers? Most non-tarnished have gone mad. But Miquilla is a demi-god, from where he's standing they live to serve. Their lives are his. That's kind of the perspective he has. Everything else is illusion.
>>97748619>collapsing starsI never used that spell. It's this one right?>mastered by young RadahnTrue, there's no reason PCR can't use it.
>>97748600it's weird that you're implying people played the DLC and not the base game.
>>97748625There's also lots of>Made Unalloyed Gold>Wisdom of a GodAnd so on saying he's smart
>>97748632NTA but if you haven't been paying any attention, there've been repeated criticisms of DLC-defenders in this thread getting the game in general wrong to the point of accusing them of never playing the game at all. The fact that you read that and assumed he meant you only played the DLC, rather than never touched any of the game, just serves to undermine your reading ability.
>>97748632Game includes DLC. You don't play either.
>>97748611He is a genius. At some things. But it's like an autistic kid who is a math genius but retarded in everything else, but thinks he's great because everyone tells him he's great. Miquilla was a genius with magic and shit, but when it came to people he only knew how to turn on a magic switch that made them like him and think he was super nice. He never actually had to learn to be likable or nice. Or how people work.
>>97748623>but he's never needed to play the game well because his love hax has never failed him.What about all that Scarlet Rot sister cure shit?
>>97748643He's a genius at forgetting to grab a Mausoleum body for his sister
>>97748635Smart at what? He comes across as a genius at magic who was as emotionally intelligent as he looked.
>>97748612>but the pursuit of that noble goal has made them an absolute monster because such wonderful ends justify any and all meansHere's villainous enough that it isn't executed well at all.>turned his soldiers into suicide bombers without them being aware of it>sent Malenia on a glorified suicide mission because he got rejected by Radahn>never figured out Radahn is a warmonger whose occupied castles are full of stinking corpses of its past inhabitants>his dumbass sister can't even finish the job>when the battle ends he leaves her to die>mind rapes Mohg>never told him to stop creating a blood cult full of invading killers>abandons his followers without telling them where he's going or what his plans are which is why they jihad themselves>lets his domain fall to such ruin because he's an asshole, there's no reason for him to be bumming around the Land of Shadows when he can't do shit without the Tarnished>all before he "abandoned his love"
>>97748648Golden Order fundamentalism needs brains, and his wisdom specifically was praised.
>>97748605This character is the single dumbest character in all of FROM. He has all the resources in the universe and still needs the Player to carry him.He needs Radahn dead. What does he do? He gambles that his sister (which the artbook says was black and blue before the fight so she was INJURED) can 1vs1 Radahn. He has Dryleaf Sect warriors. He has Needle Knights. Radahn dying is mandatory and yet doesn't commit all his forces and leaves him dying until Jerren does a successful Radahn Festival. He also sends 0 manpower to the Radahn Festival because if it fails then lol maybe next Radahn Festival. If the Player doesn't care for the Radahn Festival, Radahn can be living for the next hundred years in agony and cannibalizing corpses. He needs Mohg dead. He does NOTHING to get anybody at Mohgwyn Mausoleum to kill Mohg. The Player gets there with no influence from Miquella. He has Mohg compelled and even if he doesn't order Mohg off a cliff, he can compel a messenger to send word of his location so Malenia can come. The people at the Haligtree are so devoted that they suicide bomb the Player so they clearly would march and kill Mohg if Miquella asks. If the Player doesn't kill the two people Miquella needs dead for him, Miquella's plans are dead in the water. He has full power to achieve his goals but is too stupid to use his resources right.
>>97748639>the problem isn't that he can't write coherently>I'm going to defend him being retardedbut you're not him.Sorry I don't know the lore of the idiot screaming in the background of the thread.
>>97748640I only played ducktales for the nes. You never played it. You wouldn't know how that's where they explain Miquilla's lore. Also the gloam eyed queen.
>>97710860Do a Shattering campaign. There's already plenty set. There's a huge amount of evidence that Redmane Castle used to be owned by Godrick, who lost it to Radahn, and implications O;Neil held it under him.Commander O'Neil, who is clearly of the same faction as Commander Niall (who served in a castle where people call Miquella "lord" and was given a Haligtree Medallion), fought alongside Malenia at the Battle of Aeonia, along with his Exile Soldiers (which only Godrick uses). In the present he's coded to fight alongside the Cleanrot Knights still there. His gear, summons, and storm spells clearly link him to Stormveil as well.
>>97748654I can read it enough. You somehow read>touched gameAs>touched dlc without baseRather than >touched whole thingI could talk about many games with DLC and address everything as a whole. In most/tg/ threads like Fallout lore, we don't treat DLC as separate from the entire game.
>>97748661>"Even after his lord was fled, Commander O'Neil continued to brandish this flag in the devastation of the rot-eaten field of battle, the sole veteran who remembers this battle with pride."Not only his Lord fleeing is perfectly in-character for Godrick but this attitude kind of goes beyond mere loyalty to your commander. Malenia's knights love her, but even they don't look upon this battle with pride, despite being viewed as the victors and it coming at the end of what seemed to be a region-wide beatdown of the Redmanes by the Cleanrots (note the disparity in the Redmane vs Cleanrot equipment remains in the Wailing Dunes, and the disparity between ghosts in the nearby catacombs):And it's no wonder; it's a battle that killed 99% of the participants and doomed the few survivors to slow horrible deaths. Yet O'Neil is proud of this result. Why would this be? Either he's a Khornate who just loves battle that much; he loves Malenia or his past lord more than the Cleanrot Knights love theirs; orHe personally hates Radahn and the Redmanes. A lot. Why would he? Well look at Redmane Castle. There are hung corpses of Godrick Foot Soldiers everywhere, Banished Knight arms stringed up like trophies, and piles of dead Commoners (probably castle staff) littering the joint. There's a giant siege tower outside too. Chances are, the Redmanes took the place, butchered everyone who couldn't run fast enough, and kicked O'Neil out of his own castle. Godrick ran like a coward so why go to Stormveil? Malenia's coming so here's your one and only chance to screw Radahn over.And he's proudly standing at the epicenter of the same disease-nuke that destroyed Radahn and his men. The sole veteran who regards this horrible battle with pride.
>>97748652So were you one of those autistic kids who did great at math and were told you were special and a genius, but no one ever told you that there's more than one type of intelligence and yours wasn't actually useful for success in an extremely social world?Because that's the obvious comparison we're going for here and the only way I can think it would go over your head is if you were one of those kids.
>>97748668Sorry I didn't take "defender of DLC" to mean "for some reason this person is obsessed with DLC lore and knows enough to talk about it without having played the base game". Because that's a totally normal and obvious thing to assume is real.
>>97748670Wisdom isn't the same as intelligence. It said he has wisdom.
>>97748686>"for some reason this person is obsessed with DLC lore and knows enough to talk about it without having played the base game".Given you haven't played the game, it fits. You read it on a wiki or some shit.
>>97748687>his concept of wisdom vs intelligence comes solely from games statsSo that's a yes on the autism?
>>97748686Given how much blind headcanon you make and others citing the game text against you, you doubtfully played either
>>97748691>comes solely from games stats
>>97748689Oh now I'm one of those people. And this isn't just you coping with someone saying something you didn't like earlier in the thread. Glad we had this talk and sorted this out, you can go back to screaming in the background of the thread without quoting anyone.
>>97748691NTA but people in real life make distinctions. Why assume game stats?
>>97748697See >>97748697
I like how he spergs from being called out. Meanwhile I posted game screenshots before. Took then myself maybe,
>>97748696From games and silly little infographics found on google. Again you are not doing yourself any favors. go on, give me a dictionary definition next. We all know the cliche.
>>97748669Good read of the situation.
>>97748686>knows enough to talk about it More like "doesn't know shit & gets called out for this".
>>97748698It's not that a distinction is made it's what the distinction is that is made.
>>97748708What were you calling me out for not knowing specifically?
>>97748556It doesn't help that multiple characters have completely different impressions i.e.>Jerren says Radahn wants to rest in peace>Freyja assumes he wants infinite war
>>97748669>There are hung corpses of Godrick Foot Soldiers everywhere, Banished Knight arms stringed up like trophies, and piles of dead Commoners (probably castle staff) littering the joint. There's a giant siege tower outside too.Oh right, the tower's got the Redmane logos on too. Moreover, the Redmane Knight armor is explicit that the Redmanes are foreigners>"Alas, dear home, I shan't see you again! For our duty is to remain here, a bulwark against the blight."They're basically military occopiers.
>>97748718Freyja seems to project onto him more but it makes sense she does given how she knows him.
>>97748706>>97748714NTA but you do know they're not synonyms?
>>97748735If he did check the dictionary then he'd realize it.
>>97748735He's bluffing>https://www.thesaurus.com/articles/wisdom-vs-intelligence>https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wisdom>https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/intelligence
>>97748735did you know that wasn't the point being made? And that the autism was that he assumes that's the point being made?
>>97748735He's never played the game. Go easy.
>>97748737>>97748745You sure proved me wrong that you don't have autism by once again ignoring the post I made about fucking elden ring to insist that because there's a difference between wisdom and intelligence a metaphor about different types of intelligence doesn't fit. Oh wait did you forget?
>>97748728I'd add that nobody makes these for fun and early cutscenes make it clear the game itself knows what and why they're for. Why would the defenders of a castle need siege towers too? They wouldn't. That's why the tower is specifically positioned facing towards Redmane Castle, i.e., the way an attacker would deploy it. Redmane Castle wasn't always Redmane Castle. It was a frontier fortress manned by Banished Knight/Exile Soldiers. It's decent environmental storytelling.
>>97710860Do a Shattering wargame. Anyone have any Total War mods based on it? It's ripe for it. Might as well replace Total War Warhammer Chaos invasions with a late game Godfrey-led Tarnished force too.You could sell expansion packs for factions that weren't there in canon. Godwyn zombies, Messmer, Nightreigh characters, etc. It'd please fans more than SotE's shitty story did.
>>97748773My guess would be Godrick owned lots of this land but Radahn chose to attack and claim it on purpose. He was always obsessed with Godfrey so taking Godfrey land away from the unworthy Godrick must've felt noble to him.>>97748781Playing as Godrick in either of these would be interesting. Judging by the helmets of the hung soldiers at Castle Redmane, Morne, and even Sol, all these were past Golden Lineage territory. Castle Sol also has Banished Knights and Exile Knights, a connection with Godwyn, and these corpses Castle Morne has them too and that's Weeping Peninsula which is close enough and has Godrick Soldiers. These corpses are also found in Fort Faroth which judging by in the Divine Tower in Dragonbarrow and nearby Redmane Knights is Radahn territory. It'd balance having the shittiest leader character by granting the best starter land before everyone else tries to take it.Godwyn DLC alone would sell well. It's a common complaint about the game DLC that it lacks him.
>>97748791Like shit, this guy couldn't hold anything. Playing as him would be a stressful exercise where it's inevitable you'd lose land and things get worse as you progress but it'd be an amazing underdog win.
>>97748781Give Leyndell vs Volcano Manor. It was bigger than Caelid
>Radahn>needing a great rune to be big and strong against Malenia>when Messmer, Hoarah Loux, Malekith, and more are strong without one>when Godwyn beat up dragons without one>mfw
>>97748791Did they ever say why Ranni targeted Godwyn? Thankfully the DLC didn't shit that up.
>>97748799He was literally holding the stars in place with his gravity magic the whole time. And also keeping Leonard safe. And fighting over the shards was as much about the political power of having them as anything they actually gave.
>>97748803No and there's no way to ask her. Weird.If I have to give my headcanon take, it's because he'd be too stabilizing. Man was popular, strong enough to beat one of the strongest Ancient Dragons without needing great rune buffs, then befriended them after. His Death Knights are all minibosses and he'd likely get a huge fiefdom from Godfrey. He'd have too good a starting position.
>>97748799Useless wanker also sucked because starfall beasts are everywhere
>>97748799>Remembrance of a Moron and a Failure>Remembrance of Fraudahn, consort of Miquella, hewn into the Scadutree.>The power of its namesake can be unlocked by the Finger Reader. Alternatively, it can be used to deprive yourself of a bounty of runes out of sheer incompetence.>In the Shattering, Miquella saw in Fraudhan a kindred spirit in incompetence. His defeat at Morgott's hands, and his cruelty in murdering all of Castle Redmane's former inhabitants, that stood in marked equivalence with Miquella's failure in achieving almost any goal he set out for.>And so Miquella made his heartfelt wish. That he give Fraudhan Mohg's body which will be the sole reason Fraudhan has any fighting ability
>>97748817It also hindered ranni's destiny because she's a carian. Man had to interfere with his own sister.
>>97748803>>97748815There's more to it. There's plenty implying others were in on the plot and it doesn't seem like she targeted him for any reason that mattered to her. She was in it to destroy her own body as part of a plan to sever her fate. People headcanon Marika being in on the plot and that's not even a stretch of one.
>>97748817>>97748826Jerren willingly encouraging it if you tell him you're serving Ranni implies there wasn't anything super deadly he was holding back either. If there was anything that'll destroy the world, it'd be pointless.
>>97748827No as in, why him? Why not godrick, mohg, etc.
>>97748791>My guess would be Godrick owned lots of this land but Radahn chose to attack and claim it on purpose. He was always obsessed with Godfrey so taking Godfrey land away from the unworthy Godrick must've felt noble to him.I too think he's a Golden Order fanboy who would've done that. Telescope description says>During the age of the Erdtree, Carian astrology withered on the vine. >The fate once writ in the night skies had been fettered by the Golden Order.And Iji says>"The fate of the Carian royal family is guided by the stars. As is the fate of Lady Ranni, first heir in the Carian royal line."If he's trying to ruin traditional Carian style, especially in the name of the Golden Order, then he succeeded.
>>97748843That's something I didn't mean but makes sense. GO = Godfrey.
>>97748830Because it would cause the shattering for the literal golden child to be the first demigod killed. That's the short answer. The only way she could die is with the run of death being broken. They only way she could be free is if the system itself were torn down and fate cut loose. Godwyn was a central enough figure to trigger everything else. And that's also why people believe Marika was part of or had her own angle in the plot, because she shattered the ring and it needed to be shattered as part of her grander plan.
>>97748854So similar to >>97748815 in that he's an important enough figure and that the effects from him specifically being killed are important enough that doing everything but with someone else wouldn't have the same impact. Politically, he'd probably be the closest thing to a crowd prince besides empyreans.
>>97748269Morgott reminds me of CoK Tyrion, the disformed defender of the capital, mixed with Stannis' stubborness.Now that I think of it, when was Godfey kicked out? Depending on the timeline, it's possible Radahn never met Godfrey. Morgott definitely got recognized by Godfrey. I think it thematically fits. Not just the idea of wild Hoarah Loux beats public figure Godfrey but also that Morgott was never about the fame but the dirty work. One's basking in the limelight, the other's doing the paperwork.
>>97748868>Now that I think of it, when was Godfey kicked out? Depending on the timeline, it's possible Radahn never met Godfrey.We legit don't know. We don't know when Godwyn or the Golden Lineage demigods were born besides Morgott and Mohg growing up in sewers, implying sewers existed then.
>>97748815The fucky thing about Godwyn is IMO he'd be the greatest threat to the Lands Between. Nothing the player can do besides burning the world down implicitly stops him. Maybe (and just maybe) Perfect Order does something by holding "him" accountable and stopping the spread. But other than that, his giant tumor in the laws of physics that invades Farum Azula and Land of Shadow alike never gets stopped in any ending. The player can't even harm it. Other shit gets sealed away or killed, not his body. You can't kill it like Frenzied Flame Midra, like the Elden Beast and Meytr, nothing.
>>97710860You talking DnD tabletop based on teams of adventurers? A wargame based on armies? If you do the latter, show Morgott vs Rykard. That fight was officially The Shattering's biggest, bigger than the Caelid clash. You could also set the game on the defensive if army vs army because Leyndell had several sieges they repelled. Are you doing the backstory and Radagon fighting Raya Lucaria? Or Godfrey's history?
>>97710860You want a serious game or a meme game?
>>97748795I feel like the natural mechanic for a Godrick character in any shattering game is that you mechanicalize the grafting as him being able to level up. Everyone else has basically static power levels, but Godrick starts pathetically weak and needs to be protected by his armies and if you can keep him alive long enough he just keeps getting stronger and stronger. This would mean he is at high risk of getting his ass kicked over and over in the early game by other players, but later game he can pull a big turnaround.
>>97710860Probably not. Elden Ring works because it's exploration based on player attentiveness. In tabletop, you can't provide the players the scenery without explicitly mentioning things for them to notice. The more you explore in Elden Ring, the more lore you gather to build a coherent understanding of the world, but the more you explore in tabletop, the more the GM hands info.
>>97710860>beline to killing Midra>ignore everything else>end gameIt's not like most of the DLC's worth doing anyway.
>>97748868>when was Godfey kicked out? Depending on the timeline, it's possible Radahn never met GodfreyGodfrey was banished, then Marika turns into Radagon so that she can seduce Rennala. Then the two get married, and then Radahn is born.So yeah, it's pretty safe to say that Radahn never met Godfrey.
>>97710860>>97711030Have you ever had an independent thought in your life, ESL faggot?
>the moon demands more intelligence than deep space >only women have discovered thisWhy do people worship this feminist slop garbage?
>>97756406> 270 posts before you noticed the thread and reheated this stale, lame old schizo nonsense argumentYou're getting slow in your old age.
What i like is Armored Core.
>>97756438See >>97716164
>>97756406Meanwhile in Bloodborne women are objects
>>97757135Both Elden Ring and Bloodborne share a big focus on heirogamy (marraige/breeding with gods) just in different ways. The consort ritual in elden ring is all about divinity through a marriage ritual that bonds the living and the dead, and in bloodborne all of the blood magic shit is ONLY possible because of women. A bunch of players think that the healing blood is literally blood siphoned off from Great Ones. Its not. They don't have enough great ones around to do that shit, and the lore even explicitly calls out the source of the blood used by the healing church being 'blood saints'. The blood saints are women who have carrier an infant Great One baby after immaculate conception with one, which has left their bodies permanently changed and now their blood has special properties. This is why the Healing Church has the 'orphanage' full of infant great ones. Its a necessary part of creating healing blood. This is further backed up by the religion of Old Yharnam, which appears to have centered around a widow who made a deal with the Moon Presence, gave birth to a divine child (which died) but the people continued to worship the holy mother for the blessings that she provided. Essentially a blood saint centuries before the healing church got the idea to set up a production line of them.
>>97711337This is a retarded take. Fromsoft’s art direction and behind the scenes work causes it all to hang together and remain internally consistent, so that the story has to be discovered in a different way. This is about as impressive a take as tl;dr is. Idiots like this are why quest markers exist in video games.
>>97710860>mfw there's no option at the end of ranni's questline to use the severus potion on her instead of the ringThis makes me as angry as that shitty fraudhan boss
>>97710860>I can't get the flaming head WHY
>>97758692I don't think the potion works on Ranni. Its make to turn people into mindless dolls. Ranni isn't even alive, she's just a soul that occasionally animates a puppet body, and it doesn't even need to be the same body every time. The potion needs to be imbibed to have effect, and Ranni doesn't have any of the organs required for that to happen. She has a mouth for talking with, but I doubt very much its linked to a stomach.
>>97710860Isn't it already out? Go find out for yourself. In the meantime, wake me up when Lands of Evershade gets released.
>>97749145They were so close…
>>97749145This will never not be hilarious to me
>>97758692Mentally Retarded Redman
>>97758692>>97762662>mfw there will never be a scene where a character tries that and the response is either>"HOW DARE YOU LACK FAITH IN OUR RELATIONSHIP? I WOULD'VE GLADLY LET YOU ANYWAY WITHOUT NEEDING TO DRUG ME. YOUR LACK OF CONFIDENCE IN MY CONSENT MEANS IT'S THE COUCH FOR YOU TONIGHT">or a tsundere reaction about how they accidentally say it's unnecessary because they'd accept anything you want anyway but try and take it back
>>97717035>he's the writer of Borderlands 3 >mfw just found out after seeing this pic for a long whileIt all makes sense, and just makes it so much funnier now kek
>>97728915>Aged Smelter DemonThe real boss fight was the horrible gauntlet beforehand to get to that cool-ranch colored fuck
I don't see why not. .A lot of vidya developers are slowly making their way into the tabletop space although more focused on crunch than fluff. Too much focus though, and even a veteran fa/tg/uy might go into shock so
>>97710860I thought they already made one?
>>97711383Very poorly. Retard.
>>97756462>Armored Core TRPG existsOnly other real person in this sorry excuse for a thread. Sadly no one on /tg/ bothers to play games anymore, all they can do is kvetch about what some eceleb fed them or whatever.
I like how the fans of ER look deeper into the lore than the creators ever did.
>>97710869Fpbp
>>97710860Considering the Bloodborne Board Game is really mid, I think no
>>97748385NTA but Mohg was easy as shit, I just run up on him and beat him to death with a greatsword on my first attempt. During the latter part of the fight he just fucking stands there and lets you beat him to death while he tries to count
>>97797316You're describing damage and a health pool that is very late game and the guy saying it was "easy" was trying to argue that he's not a late/post game boss like Malenia.
>>97797305They always get someone who tries to do the 'player experience in a board game' thing which doesn't work for the games as they're designed around the videogame experience. If they have the IP, they should do something like an asymmetric area control game where you play as different demigods in Elden Ring, rather than be a tarnished and kill godrick soldiers
>>97800172Agreed.For Bloodborne, IMO, what you do is you make it an arkham horror style game. A team of hunters vs the board. Beast men prowl the streets, your goal is to clear it and uncover secrets to get stronger. You have a limited, perhaps uncertain, amount of time before 'the red moon descends' and horrible eldritch shit starts happening, at which point things get a lot harder and you have to fight or otherwise solve some great one related problem. So the first half of the game usually plays the same, but then the second half kicks in and thats going to have specific new enemies or mechanics based on what great one in particular is involved. Then you can even have expansion sets that introduce more great ones, or other dimensions as additional boards you can add to the game with unique challenges or effects. It writes itself.
>>97754288yes, normalfag
>>97806238Who pays you to bump threads from page 10 like that? How much do you earn? Are they hiring?
>>97793300Miyazaki: “haha cool funny glowy tree; haha just like berserk, haha just like lord of the rings, haha”Players: “ZOMG THE KABALLAH THE AIN SOPH THE TREE OF LIFE ZOMG”
>>97806296stfu holy shit
The best Nurgle Champion.
