So, can someone explain to me how the OP image is meant to be appealing? This is exactly why WoD is a trite and banal setting, it's fucking juvenile next to CofD.

>>97716529
Obvious flamebait is obvious.

>>97716534
But you don't disagree.

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>>97713351
Nifty, kinda reminds me of this guy from 1e core.

>>97716544
Well that sure is similar, can't say I've any memory of this guy from 1e though. Does he have a Bane listed? Bans and banes are always the hardest bit for me when coming up with an NPC, because they're not meant to be obvious but they are meant to be exploitable. I think one Ghost in the 2e book has Turmeric as a Bane for some reason that's not elaborated on at all?

>>97716649
>Does he have a Bane listed?
That pic is the entirety of its writeup so nope. It's just got a couple Banes. Big ones.

>>97716658
Ah well, appreciate it either way!

I did think about doing a final-girl esque Bane for my Spirit but it'd be very on-the-nose to mark the one female PC in the group, same with it being repelled by a virgin or something like that. I also wondered about some sort of "People who don't die" thing, like it takes aggravated damage when someone is resuscitated or something.

>>97716512
>Syndicate saw this and considered them a perfect business partner

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What changes would you make to Mummy to bring it up to the level of the other, more developed, gamelines?

I’m cutting myself because hedgefag is no longer with us

>>97716529
Isn't the point of it that it's supposed to be messed up? It's a Pentex thing.

>>97716512
Reminder that IRL corpos are far more grotesquely evil by orders of magnitude than anything Pentex could ever do on print.

This is now a Tzimisce-Tremere reconciliation thread.
Both Warlocks and Dragons should say AT LEAST one positive thing about the other clan.
Who'll start?

Alright. Post the best cherrypicked kino CofD lore.

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>>97716952
Tzimisce: I think Aisling is really adorable and cute.
I'll give her a pass when The Day of the Bonfire will come.

>>97716098
>WoD as an IP must be magnificently cursed if the only semi-successful releases have been
>A niche fucking diablo clone DA/Modern Nights hybrid love story RPG
>It's much less niche sequel a deus-ex styled FPS-RPG set in LA completely unrelated to the original that released unfinished
>Two VR games by a particularly autistic studio of wraith fans
>CYOA text games and two VNs (the third one does not exist)
>Every AAA release since the PS3/360 gen has been either shit or cancelled or had so much corporate meddling it ended up worse than bloodlines
>Maybe some of the occultists who worked on Mage got so mad over selling out to an MMO studio they cursed the entire IP?
There are also other games
>one was cancelled so we don't know much about it
>one was a janky slop
>two VNs (Heart of the Forest was ok, but barely any werewolfing, I refunded the second one, because it was bad, very current day local (Polish) politics)
>oh, and there were also two (?) phone games, but they removed them because the creator was me-too'ed or a nazi or some bullshit
Add to it Kindred: The Embraced that got cancelled because the lead died. There was a news from Variety from 5 years ago that WoD is getting a tv/movie universe and no info since then
>https://variety.com/2021/film/news/world-of-darkness-eric-heisserer-christine-boyland-vampire-werewolf-1234961512/
Even V5 alone changed hands so many times. White Wolf. Mophidius. OPP. WoD brand team. Renegade. White Wolf again.
There's so much stuff that flopped, was cancelled, released unfinished, we probably didn't even hear about half of it.
World of Darkness is probably the most cured IP on the planet.

>>97716952
Both are fake mages so they can cope about that together.

>>97717123
>very current day local (Polish) politics
Bolzga mentioned

>>97716952
Tzimisce: I like the tremere's new clan curse. It allows the clan more fluidity since higher ups cant just force blood bonds to keep the lower rungs in line and if you start getting uppity, I can just turn you into an vitae tap instead of a chair.

>>97716952
Tremere: The Tzimisce's dedication to experimentation and creation is commendable. And we couldn't have Gargoyles without you guys.

>>97717139
Sorry, but if you have a border crisis, when Putin and Lukashenko sends towards your country hundreds and thousands of illegal immigrants from the Middle-East through the Polish-Belarusian border, when Polish border patrols and soldiers send there to defend the border are afraid to shoot even in self defence, because they'd be arrested, when a young Polish soldier dies stabbed by a makeshift spear ... As this was happening in the real life you play as a Werewolf from Afghanistan and in the very prologue of the game you murder Polish soldiers while crossing the border from Belarus. Felt disgusted. Then she couldn't find a job because, despite being educated and finishing medical studies in Warsaw some years prior, everybody was a racist now. Oh, and Warsaw sept leader was a troon.

>>97717108
That's Becca Scott, she's an actress that played Aisling in NY by Night. Actuall WoD Aisling looks nowhere this hot. Look at some of her official art
>https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Aisling_Sturbridge#Gallery

Also by her stats comparing to other female signature characters
>Victoria Ash appearance 5
>Lucita de Aragon appearance 4
>Isabel Giovanni appearance 4
>Fatima al-Faqadi appearance 4
>Aisling Sturbruge appearance 3
The only uglier than Aisling is Ramona, a dirty mutt Gangrel from LA with appearance 2.

>>97716529
B8 aside, I can understand how some of the Printed bullshit might be annoying to some even of they are weirdly believable in light of recent events.

>>97717005
This is definitely bait but

From CtL
>The Hedge might have a "default" overgrown greenery appearance, but the hedge can be anything, and contain anything. A blasted beach of junk. An entire township on the back of an impossibly large beast of burden. An overgrown ruin of a once immaculate luxury train. Night and day are finnicky and unpredictable within the hedge, one area may be eternally night, another always high noon. Some might even have light or "day" but no sun in the sky. If you can imagine it, it probably exists somewhere within the Hedge.

>Lady Boleville is a True Fae that is her Manor itself. She can personify herself as the lady of the house, but that is only an avatar. The mansion is nearly inescapable, and she often rents out space to other true fae or even privateers that need extra space to keep their prisoners. Escape is almost impossible, the only way out is a single member of the household, the Claviger, who will give an escape key to any who can best him at a game. Whether the Claviger is still a part of Lady Boleville herself or something else is unknown.

From WtF
>Zahakeryon is one of the Geryo, the twisted and monstrous "first try" at creating Werewolves. Far more spirit than flesh, their forms are unstable and their minds even more so. When Father Wolf sealed away his first children, Zahakeryon was charged to be their (and his own) jailor. Eventually he realized the betrayal and so he escaped. Zahakeryon is still obsessed with jails, and his usual MO is to enter an area, and set up his spirit jail. He'll jail anyone that meets his mercurial rules, and he quite likes to reduce Werewolves to mindless slavering guard dogs for his prison. When he's done, he just up and leaves. He might take some choice prisoners with him, but everyone else is left behind in his sprawling nightmarish spirit prison, guarded by maddened troglodytic werewolves.

I could keep going but I'd rather not spam the thread with truncated lore blurbs.

>>97717309
VN Aisling is pretty good

Also, Hardestadt of all people has Appearance 5

>>97716396
I quite like this game

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Are there any sourcebooks that cover egypt in the Dark Ages?

>>97717458
cute tzigger

>>97716792
Probably more conspiracy nonsense, maybe one can make a boom of nu-Mummies starting during the Egyptology craze to scale up the chaos and bullshit, so that you have mentor mummies and the nu mummies that might not be entirely good people or might be more modern and extreme as they haven't had to witness the passing of human history?

>>97717123
Yeah I've heard Heart of the Forest was okay other than you legit become a Werewolf at the last hour. I couldn't enjoy the 2nd game as it was several steps down stylistically, so there's that. I know there were a couple of canceled Mage and Changeling games, and I completely forgot about the Reckoning trilogy
>>97717139
>>97717256
W5 really fucked everything up when Werewolves not only need jobs but sept leaders get anal about helping you and other shit. At least Book of Hungry Names was a lot more measured in how many poopy W5-isms of werewolves being the punching bag got engaged with

>>97716861
I'm sure there's at least one mention that the company barbeque is most long piglets and something along those lines.

>>97717309
Appearance 3 is still explicitly above average, numbnuts.

>>97717543
Appearance 3 is horrendously ugly by Sidhe standards.

>>97717543
2 is an average human. 3 is above average. 4 is exceptional. 5 is peak human. Anything above 5 is (at least when it comes to appearance) like seeing a goddess or an angel. Appearance 3 is like 6/10, not ugly, but nothing to get excited about.

>>97717444
And Vykos has Appearance 7.

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>Rosa, fetch me that tzimisce twink impersonator! I keep hearing rave reviews from the prisci about his performance last Palla Grande and I wanna see him myself. I bet he'll get a kick out of meeting me in person!

>>97717585
I thought appearance 1 was a 6/10? Isn't 1 the average?

>>97717584
This thread is for pureblooded scions of Adam and Eve.
Subhuman opinions are automatically discarded (alongside said subhumans. Preferably in the Tzimisce laboratories).

>>97717625
2 is the human average. 1 is below average, anything from "frumpy and slightly overweight" to "Quasimodo". 3 is above average and so on, as >>97717585 puts it.

>>97717218
Tzimisce: I never understood why you only stopped at us, the gangrel, and the nosferatu. Imagine adding an assamite or a toreador into the mix. You could have something akin to a weeping angel. Br*jah I feel like would be too rebellious.

>>97717625
No, because you can't be average or above average in everything since you always have 1 dot in every attribute unless Nosferatu or similar supernatural stuff.

>>97717256
Leave it to actual retards to let rapefugees ruin their country while unironically painting them as doctors and enginners. Then again, we always poke fun at how most werewolfs are retarded, savage deadbeats who take everything for granted because 'muh Gaia'. Reminds you of anyone?

>>97716792
Honestly I thought the 1e, Hunters Hunted style mummy was fine. It was when they tried to make it larger than its conceit could support when it lost the plot, and became a weird Egyptian themed middle ground of Werewolf and Mage.

Broadly, my gripe about a lot of oWoD splats is that not every kind of monster is suited to having a "society", but it's something of a necessity when the game/s are set up in such a way that a party of 3-5 of the same supernatural creature is the norm. Sprawling vampire societies work fine since vampires can rapidly grow their numbers with the only real limits being hitting the thinblood threshold and how many mortals they are, since at a certain point there won't be enough blood to go around without breaking the masquerade and causing everything to break down.

So if I had to, I'd cut out all the Primaris Mummy shit from Revised entirely and build it up as a more flexible game, with books on mummies in different cultures so you're not just limited to an Egyptian origin. Focus less on being the good bois of the setting and more on actual introspection on Immortality. Vampires can theoretically last forever, but most don't even make it a century. Mummies on the other hand are stupid hard to put down. You WILL see the end of days. Include rules facilitating 1 on 1 or even solo play to better aid the idea of you being a very rare atavism of a creature, and try to design their powers in a way that facilitates cross-splat so you can more easily inject them into other games. also I'd make it nWoD because I like the system better.

Also nWoD Mummies are interesting too, but that game suffers from an illness some nWoD games do of "wow, they really want me to play in this specific type of chronicle"

>>97716512
>What sort of corporate shenanigans have gone down in your chronicles?
Pentex is my ST's favorite antagonistic force in the entire setting. He doesn't have them putting bane eggs into hamburgers and stuff like that, though; because to him that just undermines the insidious ways in which they spread entropy in a purely mundane fashion, which is what really appeals to him.
In our last chronical, he added a bunch of new subsidiaries and a bunch of new products made by Avalon (which was one of his favorites).

>Childlings: Lolis, Mesugaki, Hebe
>Wilders: Sluts
>Grumps: MILFs, GILFs
Why are each of the Seemings pure sex?

>>97717932
>Also nWoD Mummies are interesting too, but that game suffers from an illness some nWoD games do of "wow, they really want me to play in this specific type of chronicle"
I think it's more one of those things where there's enough "normal" splats that they felt confident doing some "Advanced play" splats like Mummy for experienced players to do a weird campaign where you can do multiple stages waking in a non-linear fashion.

>>97717968
Because the core design is Otherkin.

>>97717976
I think it might've gone better to produce books that cover adapting the gamelines to fit a story-type. Espionage, self-actualisation etc, there's scope for all those sorts of stories across every splat but Demon and Promethean really plant their flag there and don't seem interested in going far beyond it.

>>97717987
Is than better or worse than getting raped by fairies in Changeling the Lost?

>>97718149
>Sex with hot weirdos
vs
>Getting forced to pay imaginary taxes infinitely because you happened to wander into the Tax Collector Under a Million Governments Duke Archibald the 2nd
I think I'd take the weird sex

>>97718115
I guess it's because every splat is sort of shoe-horned into a sort of soft genre that you can't really move past too much
>Vampire being around social human tragedies
>Werewolf about environmentalism
Admittedly I'd be reaching a bit to say that Mage is soft-locked to anything in particular, but otherwise there's always a sort of thing that the splats lend themselves to better

>>97718149
At least you can talk about doing tex returns if a Dreaming changeling comes for you.

>>97718194
Good point, that's almost going to be as effective as shouting "your fairy's coming to rape you" at a Lostling.

>>97718178
Mage is quite literally:
>No! My views are the correct ones! If only the goycattle could see it we would have a utopia!

>>97718178
Since it's CofD, Requiem absolutely has the scope to go on some self-actualising story about acceptance that isn't "stabilised at humanity 3, whew". You could do a Forsaken espionage story about being trapped in the Hisil ala DtD, you can't fight the biggest Spirits so you have to fight smarter not harder. It's a shame that some splats leant so much harder into some tropes and styles of play over others, but like you say, sometimes it's harder to avoid than others.

>>97716792
have you seen what they are working on in the prince of darkness mod? pog mummies, a customizable spell of life, ability for players to create new mummies dynasties of other cultures, bane mummies that can decide to either fix themselves up by improving their spell of life or put even more bane stuff in there and Asekh-sen and Vampires can try to become mummies but not using the egyptian spell of life (unless you are Kemintiri) only the custom or the chinese one

all good stuff

>>97718215
You seem upset. Did CtL shoot your dog or something?

>>97718331
>prince of darkness mod
Isn't that for crusader kings 2 or one of those other paradox map painting sims? That all sounds pretty neat but I'm not into that sort of game

>>97718459
No, I've enjoyed playing CtL. I just think it's insincere to pretend it's deeper than a fairy rape trauma simulator.

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>>97718492
crusader kings 3 now. they added a lot of rpg elements from traveling to locations to learn disciplines for teachers or robbing people, spells and rituals, the umbra etc you can even play as landless hobo now, not saying you should totally check this out if those are not your game, but it's different than the vanilla paradox map painter experience, unless you want to paint the map as horus and kill all the setites that's of course still a option

they have also written down some of their homebrew before. they added some asian cainite bloodlines so the entire map over there wouldn't just be kuei jin as most of the fera aren't done yet (only garou, bastet and mokole are playable right now) so there is a pdf floating around with the new disciplines and updated kai and rift so there is a non zero chance the new spell of life stuff might also get a homebrew pdf (they are using dav20 as base) and if not might i still be able to translate the new stuff and post it here, but the mummy rework is still a work in progress right now

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>>97718574
Nta but I downloaded that without having played any CK before and I just could not figure it out for the life of me. Is it possible to learn it straight from the mod, or do I have to learn base CK3 first?

>>97718591
i have zero minutes in vanilla ck3 and 1761 hours in ck3 (although i also played some other total conversion mods)

but i think most people who aren't insane like me would probably advice you to play the normal tutorial. beside that just join the prince of darkness discord and ask shit. The people who developed it, who made all of the buildings and all of the systems hang around there

there is also no shame in just cheating on a map painter if you are really new

>>97718591
NTA, but yes. Its practically a separate game and you can start playing them directly.
There are however, different bookmarks, depending on your tastes. I usually play ones that also has Werewolves and Demons in them, but they usually get brutally molested very early by the Vampires. In my previous gameplay one of the seven major devils got fucked over by a single angry tzigger. Still, its nice to have options and additional flavor. Having Fae as well makes it a bit clouted though.

>>97717691
I think it's stated you need vampires that have some physical mutability (Protean, Vicissitude, or the Nosferatu curse)

... which implies Setites are suitable Gargoyle material, now that I think about it... now that's a Story premise.

>>97718655
Why not force teach a vamp this mutability then turn him into your Gargoyle twink slave?

>>97718675
nta but some clans are more inherintly mutable not just because of disciplines

gangrel for example are mentioned to be "mutable" because of their vitae which not only makes them gargoyle material but is also meant to be the reason why they have the most bloodlines

nosferatu are mutable not because of a discipline but because of their clan curse

and tzimisce blood makes ghouls easier to fleshcraft even if said tzimisce had zero dots in vicissitude or is a old clan

>>97718459
He's a 13-year-old troll, please stop giving him attention.

>>97718574
Man I love that mod, its so versatile. You can do basically what you want.
My previous Character was a Via Christi Tzimisce that traveled around the world with his coterie fighting and brutally fleshcrafting demons and evil devil worshipping freaks (they arent really people, so turning belial and his baali followers into fishscaled hunchback albino midgets is justified and ok from my characters point of view).

>>97718770
i am doing the opposite right now i am trying to do the baali objective that makes you into a vampire demon. but my enslaved demons keep trying to mess with me!

I was wondering, lorewise, is it possible to bring back a vampire that met his final death or was diablerized back to unlife?
I know that there's a case that a vampires soul got dragged out of his diablerist in the lore and that Azanael is basically a second Generation vamp possessing a dead body.
But what I mean is not this kind of soul liberation or possession, but doing something like gathering material remnants of the vampires body, doing some bizarre Thaumaturgical/Koldunic schizo babble and Vampire bursting back to unlife as his or her previous self in original body.

>>97717400
>Lady Boleville is a True Fae that is her Manor itself.
What happens if you fuck one of her couches?

>>97716512
The heck is going on here?

>>97719039
there is a temporis power to turn back the clock on items that depending on st might work on a corpse and necromancy allows you to pull out souls and put them into fresh corpses

so perhaps? maybe? if your st is cool with that and you have a trujah necromancer around

>>97719046
A corporate testing facility where children are being made to test spiritually contaminated products designed to warp kids into being exactly the sort of people that the corporation wants them to be.
For the boy, toys all about violence and killing anything that's different to him.
For the girl, toys all about the importance of achieving unhealthy standards of beauty.
For both of them, food and drink packed full of sugar and chemicals that destroy their ability to focus or motivate themselves.

>>97719039
Everything is possible lorewise. The lore is kinda bendable with the amount of retcons and contradictions. Read about Heart's Blood. It's basically a piece of blood that contains the soul of a vampire. Assamites can put it in a special vial and use it at a later time or give others to use it. Maybe using it on diablerized vampire's body (if not turned to ashes) would bring one back. Add some blood rituals or whatnot and sounds fine to me. Well, depends on the ST.

>>97718611
>>97718617
Well I'm re-torrenting CK3 and I'm going to give it another shot. Reading through the wiki though I'm kinda surprised they based the systems on V5

>>97719201
V5 isn't irredeemable imo, it's just that you have to put a lot more legwork as an ST/writer to make it good but seeing as how these guys are adapting the game to a strategy RPG they're already doing a ton of work

>>97719201
they started the game as being fully v5 (oblivion instead of obtenerbration, blood sorcery power etc), but then been moving away from it ever since well v5 because most of the developer are very anti v5

and right now the only thing that's still in there is blood potency, hunter types and some npcs

>>97719211
Oh I don't think it's irredeemable either, like I agree with the introduction of mechanics for Blood Potency for example. I haven't played it myself yet, but from what I've seen it seems like the rouse system is what needs to be fine tuned more than anything.
>>97719217
I'm glad to hear that they're moving away from some of it, I don't like the condensed disciplines

>>97719201
They had support from Paradox, probably wouldn't have it without V5.

>>97719046
Don’t worry about it.

>>97719201
Its a combination of both.
Discipline distribution and powers are definitely V20, but there's also blood potency mechanics from V5 present.

>>97719246
saying they had support from paradox is a bit... several paradox employees that work on ck3 work on the mod. the sparc the main guy behind the mod wrote events for ck3 as freelancer and helped making the modding tools for ck3. that's why they also always have a day 1 patch for the game while other mods sometimes need weeks

the mod is not offical and because of that there is no content police on it, but it's closer than you'd expect a mod to be

so oblivion as discipline and such was probably more to get the thing out of the door day 1

>>97718770
>You can do basically what you want.

Can I completely remove Kuei-Jin from the game? Or more broadly, pick and choose what stuff is in the game or not? Because that's always my problem with oWoD stuff, I only want the stuff I like in rather than a jumbled mess.

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>>97718655
From the bits ive been reading, there is nothing saying you cant use other vampires. They sought vampires with mutable blood for their experiments but there really isnt anything saying you need a Tzim, Grel, or Nos unless youre specifically trying to craft a Sentinel, Scout, or Warrior gargoyle. But even if you need some mutability of the blood, Volgirre Toreador are still viable candidates for 'Weeping' Gargoyles.

>>97717458
Fae and Sorcerers Crusade both have some stuff on Egypt I think, also Cairo by Night in the history section.

>>97700604
ran the game saturday. went well for a the first ever game ive dmed and second time ive played a ttrpg anything. heres a short summary, note i also didnt manage to get fully through M20th or 2021 technocracy rule books so i basically just decided to omit mechanics and lore i didnt understand

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>>97719772
july, 2020.
>as lockdown spreads throughout the uk, multi-convention imtimdation, negotiating, bribing, ect of numerous corps and organisations is all the uk sector is focused on. for that reason, timid newbie, Walter Simon is acting as faceless muscle standing alongisde numerous other agents with as varied expierence and tenures. citizens couldnt tell the difference after all.

>when he got back to his precinct, in doncaster, he had heard that some chaos had gone on and could tell that it was worse given that poorly disguised agents where everywhere admist quarentine, and inside base, weapons where just propped against against hallways, desks, everywhere.

>>97718770
>they arent really people, so turning belial and his baali followers into fishscaled hunchback albino midgets is justified and ok
Least hypocritical Tzigger

>>97718574
>didn't fleshcraft out the bush
based

>>97719829
>he greets his ill tempered partially known colleague, Hugo Huxely. he had been in a barely agreeable mood since his partner got promoted, and Simon's had died, while he got to deal with the shitshow that followed here immediately after without his new partner.
WS "you keeping fine? anything interesting?"
HH "im sure you got to see plenty of interesting things in london"
WS "oh no... why im sure its nothing compared to what youve been doing"
HH "i saw a fox stapled to a tram"
WS "thats... sorry mate"
>they head to the office, Huxely fails a 50/50 roll to open the door knob.
>supervisor says hes drafting them to see a weird error happening in uk wikimedia survors imputting conscensus breaking text in random wiki articles. wikipedias too useful for citizen's conscensus to shut down
>duo grab some more equipment from biomechanics area, tablet size laptop for (subtle procedures), rasberripie & £300 for Simmons, biomech meth, brass knuckles for Huxley

>>97719499
Partially. I was referring more to the roleplaying aspect.
Kuei-Jin are part of the Vampire splat, so you cant remove them.
But you can have 4 settings:
1)Vampires
2)Vampires + Werewolves
3)Vampires + Werewolves + Demons
4)Vampires + Werewolves + Demons + Fae
Though Vampires are immensely powerful so they mostly wipe out Garou, Devils and Elves very quickly. Nevertheless These supernatural creatures can appear as landless characters.
+ you can customize lots of stuff via game rules.
>>97719858
This was actually an important part of my roleplay. Exceptional mastery of Vicissitude and other disciplines made my character an incredibly powerful devil hunter. but there was always a very thin line between brutalizing the enemies of mankind for the glory of God and protection of innocent and just terrorizing said demons just for the sake of satiating bloodlust and essentially following the beast's whims.

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>>97719903
>get to train with (huxley sleeping) and then to mancester (location of wikimedia facility)
>no car in budget for duo, have to ride a taxi.
>Simons recommends "getting to the backdoor" if they arent accepted, huxely doesnt understand
>Simons says "get thru fence" quietly, Huxely in normal tone just says they could do it immediately but Simmon polietly asking first is better and motions to taxi driver who just heard
>huxely turns, pulls out his bloody brass knuckles and put them back and throws 30 quid to the drivers other seat
>after agreeing to simmons plan, huxely sleeps again, simmon apologises and driver says hes met shadier.

>at the foundation, they manage to lie that theyre the contracted IT guys and get to the servor
>simmons despite passing checks cant find whats wrong with the servers, its not a hack tho. downloads the servers contents onto the rasberii just incase.
>after an alertness perception check, they both see for a single second the lights of the server all move in red directly towards Huxely, then to Simmons, with such a gap between the lights it almost looks like mini eyes

>>97719941
>Kuei-Jin are part of the Vampire splat, so you cant remove them.

Fucking lame. Call me when there's a setting to remove them.

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>>97719997
>after coded language in the room and then huxely immediatley demanding info in the stairs (which he argued was far away enough from the servers), they decide to just call it in.

>they call colluege, who calls operator who calls boss outside, he says theres simply no budget, they need to consult manual more and theres simply no budget for sending more agents. improvise and adapt he says even after huxely takes the phone and says its bullshit
>duo agree its fubar and theyre just gonna destroy everything in server rooms
>manage to bullshit the management that the issue is german cockroaches chewing on the wires, the whole building is infested and to deal with damage they need to get exterinators to gas the building asap.
>make a plan on how to make an controlled 4 room burning look believable.
>simmons takes a cab to get gasoline, lighters and more dangerous equipment while huxely stands watch
thats where we ended things.

note i basically only had the rough idea of this layed out and had to bullshit on the spot. i thought this wasnt that interesting but wanted to share because prior thread, an anon wanted to know how things went. also friend who played thought it was fun and liked huxleys open contempt

>>97717614
So who do you guys think had her whacked?

>>97720047
Thanks for posting, the classic approach of "if we can't undestand it we'll destro it" is can never go wrong, never.

>>97720009
Unless you'll be playing in East Asia, they can be just ignored

>>97718770
Personally I've built up some characters, and then restarted the game and adjusted the stats accordingly so that I can feel slightly less cheaty about playing an ancient Koldun that just does normal Koldun shit, like achieving Metamorphosis, vibe-checking anyone that bothers me with Will over Form, and having a gorillion Childer to chastise whenever they start babbling on about that Anarch fad that seems to be catching on. I know that it wouldn't feasibly work because the map would just end up as a big blob for 70% of the game, but if I had a Genie or a winning Lotto ticket I'd wish for a 3,000 B.C. start date. God help whatever intern would have to insert the lore and characters for 4,200 years of gameplay.

>>97720134
It's a major section of the map now in base CK3, and I don't want to have to actively ignore that entire section, especially now that landless play is a thing. Played the mod back before landless play, thought it was okay but honestly overrated, and found the chi chinks a major annoyance even back then.

Shit, I'm cool with mummies and demons and werewolves running around but not those assholes, and no mod is good enough to justify the amount of work I'd need to do to manually remove them.

>>97719941
But can you fuck the Garou and Fae? Demons are alright, I suppose

>>97720179
Fair enough.
Through my gameplay, they were rapidly removed anyways by the Japanese Tzimisce anyways (who are ALOT for some reason) and Mongolian Gangrel

>>97720179
you are not going to get a kuei jin free game mode for the same reason they won't make a vampire free version

crusader kings forces them to fill the entire map and most of asia just has kuei jin lore just like how most of europa only has canon vampire characters

>>97720189
Anon, you're a corpse. You dont do those things. Plus those splats utterly hate you.
I did create Makima-like demon character via edits for that session. She was the only demon my Tzimisce didn't squash to pulp immediately and gave a slight benefit of a doubt. Though I've imagined her to be on a reconciliatory path and wanting to travel and study mankind without truly malicious intent, so its ok

>>97720235
Don't care. Mod author's already created fanfic vampires for the area, there's little stopping him from replacing all chi chinks with real vampires. Doesn't need to be a baseline, just make it an option.

Hell it'd create an opening large enough to have all the clans in one place, which was one of my two big complaints with that mod when I played it. The vast swathes of monoclan regions because VTDA couldn't be fucked to make anything east of Byzantium complex with multiple clans doing things at once. The other complaint was everything after Thorns felt like an afterthought.

I frankly cant see VtM without Kuei-Jin, largely because of how it overlaps with history of Ravnos and the eventual chimpout of Zapathasura.
Removing Chinkpires ruins immersion for me due to that. Though, yes, still having an option to remove that would be nice.

>>97717469
Wait, tzimisce can have catgirls? I need to take notes to piss off my GM, he's way into the lampshades thing.

>>97720324
tzimisce can pretty much have any form you could make with clay, but with flesh. You can also move sensory organs like ears and eyes

so cat girls would be very easy to do even with vicissitude 2. 3 if you want a tail

>>97720252
>Spoiler
Why are Tziggers like this? Did Kupala fucked up the entire clan in the head or something? Why cant they find some noble-born Ventrue or Lasombra ladies for once instead of this?

>>97717692
Depending on edition, if you have a flaw or something reducing those pools, that's effectively like having a negative Appearance. So it's also useful to think of it as a range of "neutral" possibilities that can't be pushed lower without some sort of specific thing being wrong.

>>97720316
It's helped by the fact that I also hate the Week of Nightmares with a passion and couldn't care less about the official India lore which boils down to "Ravnos are actually important here and uhhhh there's also Ventrue Setites and Nagaraja?"

Kuei-Jin are the original retcon, remember that. They didn't exist before KotE came out, and we even had full unique disciplines for the "native" Kindred of East Asia. Rift, baby. It was still pretty basic "Vampire but Asian" stuff, but at least it wasn't an entirely different splat forcibly grafted onto VtM to the detriment of both VtM and itself.

>>97720354
Bold of you to assume the ladies of the actual high clans would give a Tzigger the time of day.

>>97720396
Tziggers mog other high clans over a hundred mile distance.
Plus, Auspex can be a surprisingly effective tool for pleasant conversations and flirting.

>>97719045
probably lose the dick, true fae don't mess around.

Now if you are clever enough you can find a way to fuck the shit out of Ybalashi the androgynous genie.

>>97720342
>weeb tzimisce who immediately gave herself a fluffy tail and ears
>her sire wants her dead for a number of obvious reasons
>but mostly for making him look bad
>the problem is that despite being a huge weeb she's scarily competent and has successfully ducked him for years
>ironically boldly ignoring her elders and pursuing her own thing makes her more faithful to the ideals of her sect than her own sire
>do not bring this up in his presence

>>97720359
Anything above 5 used to be beyond what's achievable by mortals.
Anything below 1 doesn't look like a human being, that's why Nosferatu caused a Masquerade breach.

Also I'm pretty sure in some editions flaws have build in thing "The attribute can't get below 1, if you already have 1 you can't pick this flaw."

>>97720528
>accidently starts a sub sect filled with weeb tzimisce, toreador anti and city gangrel

>>97716512
So I’m STing a Werewolf 20th game. It’s my first time ST a WoD game.
So how do I proceed?

>>97720354
This is basically a clan characteristic at this point. Even the most noble and restrained Tzimisce cant help himself not to have at least one odd quirk or inclination. Though its is better than turning people into lampposts, I guess.

>>97720601
Pick a theme
Pick a mood
Practice ERP scenarios

>>97717493
W5 is the ultimate werewolf humiliation ritual. Black Dog games would be proud to release it as their own.

>>97718215
>>97718497
Oh great, this fucking dickhead again.

>>97720601
Probably ape some vaguely environmentalist story like FF7 or other to alleviate the work on actually writing the story and then find a tone you'd enjoy and move on from there. What is the party so far? Anyway, I suppose part of it is be prepared to the cringy terminology werewolf is rife with but that's part of the appeal too
>>97720690
Pretty much. At least the Jews of the Garou (both of them) got to stay

>>97720638
4) Do lots of drugs.

>>97720252
If I were a vampire, I'd win them over

>>97717493
>Book of Hungry Names
You WILL get a dead end job and be happy.

What changes do I have to make to VtM 1E to fix any rough or broken edges?

I have this idea to redo the WoD as it was first conceived of. As extensions to the VtM mechanics. Or at least the themes since WW did most of the world building after they established the line they wanted.

>>97721215
At least I was allowed to eat all my bosses and fuck questionable werewolves

>>97720638
>Theme
I have none in mind right now… but I have five character concepts for if I was a player. I though of using each one of them as a core character for a distinct arc

>Mood
I know some of my players are interested in some heavy themes, like taking the abusive partner flaw

>ERP
They are my close friends. I’m too shy for that

>>97721065
No idea yet. But they’re a party of 4. I told them that session zero would be their initiation rite.

>>97720361
>Kuei-Jin are the original retcon, remember that. They didn't exist before KotE came out, and we even had full unique disciplines for the "native" Kindred of East Asia. Rift, baby. It was still pretty basic "Vampire but Asian" stuff, but at least it wasn't an entirely different splat forcibly grafted onto VtM to the detriment of both VtM and itself.
I was reading 1st edition these days and it mentions that everything it said is about Western Kindred, and that in the east there are different vampires that are less physical, and "more supernatural", with theories they are entirely different entities like the Werewolves.

So Kuei-Jin being a completely different splat had been hinted since day one.

>>97721417
Only they were given stats and disciplines in A World of Darkness and Dark Alliance: Vancouver of all fucking things.

Gaki and Bushi began as Kindred with disciplines and were retconned into KotE. Hence, the Kuei-Jin were the original retcon. You can speculate on fluff, but the same "oh they're so different and special" routine was given to Assamites, or Laibon. Fuck em. Don't force a different splat entirely into VtM. It's worse for both.

>>97721374
>party of 4
>heavy themes
Oh boy, we're back at abused escort shacks up with clueless lupus-born because he gives off the wife beater vibes story arc and honestly that's kind of based

Want to know the greatest secret of Dreaming?
Arcadia is actually Hyperborea
The Sidhe are TRVE Aryans
It all makes sense now, doesn’t it?

>>97721573
FUCKING TARGARYENS

Reminder that all of the super special ethnic vampires in VtM were because of one dude, Travis something.

He was also responsible for the being worked on Werewolf: the Apocalypse game falling apart.

>>97721374
I will start you with simple things:
Theme: "Old Ways aren't always the Best Ways against New Enemies"
This is actually a core meta-narrative of WtA, boomer wolves are legitimately trying to give you good advice ill-suited to the modern problem (as opposed to boomer vamps giving you bad advice on purpose)

Mood: "If it's too late to win, do we fight or lie down and die?"
Another key aspect of the WtA meta-narrative is that "winning" is very unlikely. That fatalism/nihilism lends itself to a lot of coping.

Good luck.

>>97721669
video game, I should clarify. He shouldn't get flak for W5.

>>97721673
The one that was going to come out before Bloodlines? I watched the cutscenes of it. It really did seem like it would have the Bloodlines for WtA, blatant Shadow Lord mischaracterization aside.

>>97721245
>I have this idea to redo the WoD as it was first conceived of. As extensions to the VtM mechanics. Or at least the themes since WW did most of the world building after they established the line they wanted.

Elaborate a little bit. Because it'd be impossible to know what the "original" plan was, or if there even was one, without interviewing the og White Wolf writers. I've always got the impression there wasn't really an initial plan, they made shit up as they went along and the "plan" was constantly shifting.

Anyway mechanically... this is gonna sound weird, but VtM1e is... fine for what it was when it came out. It's like Cyberpunk 2020 in that regard. Not very well balanced, got some weird ideas, surprisingly crunchy for how much of a "mood" driven game it is, but fun despite all that. You can tweak individual powers here and there, or use the later oWoD truncated abilities list, but the big problem you're gonna have is that most of the mechanical parts of oWoD people don't like are foundational. Four rolls per attack, extra actions and aggravated damage being too powerful (even by V20 they still couldn't balance celerity), that kind of stuff. One anon mentioned an STV book full of combat fixes, but I don't know anyone who claims to have actually used it in play so it might be one of those "good on paper, awful in practice" rulesets.

>>97721719
Ok
A big part of it was going to be fixing celerity. But I had heard that either V20 of VDA20 had fixed it.
Otherwise it was going to be trying to cram other gamelines into the paradigms set by Hunters Hunted, Mummies and Milwaukee by Night.

>>97720580
>the toreador tend to bend simply because she has the highest weeb power level in the room
>the gangrel are just here for the shampoo
>at a certain point her sire is begging her to go back to the slightly insular academic she was before
>no, grandpa
>I craft catgirls beyond the canvas now

>>97721764
V20 and VDA20 do have some good improvements, though I wouldn't call the issue completely fixed, more mitigated. Would recommend giving them a look.

Making VtM adjacent stuff for werewolves, mage, etc, are interesting propositions. For the latter, Proto Mage Christopher Barrow in Hunters Hunted used pretty much the same stuff as Tremere did, maybe look into Sorcerer and Sorcerer Revised for ideas on how to expand Sorcery into something that can stand on its own.

I actually did something similar, but I used the nWoD/CofD system instead since IMO, it's a better skeleton to build off of.

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>>97716952
Tremere: "I wish to compliment the Clan of the Dragon on their immaculate hospitality, and perhaps ask that the footstool -stop- trying to massage my feet?"

>>97721374
This anon >>97721670 has some good ideas, so I will borrow their format. These are ones that my ST has used.

>Theme: "From Ape to Wolf"
All the PCs started off as teenagers, ran through a joint First Change, and then we did a couple time skips through their training until Rite of Passage. A big part of the story has been the kids learning Garou things and either accepting or clashing with them
>Theme: "Legacy"
Since every PC had a Garou parent, the ST has used this to tie family history into the plot. The dead heroes that can be avenged, the forgotten legends that should be told, the unfinished mission that can be completed, the old wounds that must be mended.
>Mood: "Searching for Hope"
The PCs are young, and want very much to believe that the Apocalypse can be averted, or that something better might rise from the ashes. There are NPCs that help nurture that hope, or fight a similar struggle (and are sometimes antagonists!), as well as those who challenge this optimism.

Also, this may be more about tone than mood, but our group aims for a balance between Mystic Wolf (hokey pseudo-Native American shamanism and culture), HBO Prestige (shady crime or social intrigues with melodrama), and Metal Album Cover (over-the-top action and brutal violence).

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>>97720580
That's just a gay furry convention.

>>97717691
>Tzimisce: I never understood
That's a rather common occurrence.

>>97721183
>filthy d*abolist is talking
Vlad, get the stake.

That werewolf game prototype that was posted honestly looked pretty cool, understood the IP better than Earthblood though as I recall Earthblood had a lot of corporate interference. It looked kino despite the age

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>>97720444
>Now if you are clever enough you can find a way to fuck the shit out of Ybalashi the androgynous genie.
But marriage is Ybalashis one true weakness! If you put a ring on that genie it has to stop being a horrible, self-centered person and start being a loving and caring person 5-ever!
Do you realy want a timeless spoiled brat to turn into a well-ish adjusted person with a moral anchor?

Shame on you. Also that's how you get wyrdmites.

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Speaking of CtL, soon-ish i'll run a dark eras game of it set during the trojan war. Besides copius amounts of olive oiled and tanned muscle men duking it out in the sands while capricious gods (canonicaly Gentry) cast their curses and blessings upon their champions and men becoming myths through skill&deed alone, what would be some good ,,setpieces" to include?
The burning of the ships, the indomitable hector against the demigod achilles, patroclus death in his duel with hector, pitched Phalanx battles and mythological terrors walking openly on both sides (like centaurs and hyppocampus, or zeus lightning turning Elemental to fight his brother poseidons wild carnivorous horses) are all things that are either in the epos already or very obvious to include when viewed through the lens of CtL.
Vibe will be more manowar than hollywood.
Hard mode: nothing from age of mythology (the vidya gaem)

>>97720690
Honestly, 5th edition feels like a nephandi plot. There isn't a single splat that doesn't get screwed over and M5 is nowhere to be seen.

>>97722859
They would've stopped already if it didn't make them money, so better willingly enjoy your OwOds 5th edition before 6th comes around and makes you nostalgic for it. Remember, all your old books are retconned now and will explode violently if you should ever open them again, crippling you for life.

>>97721183
>I'd win over a werewolf
Your funeral

>>97722129
>>97722919
Think about it anons, either I get crushed by a 10 foot hairy she-wolf in bed or get my head popped by her thighs like a watermelon. It's a win-win for me, your average Tzimisce.

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I'm new to running VtM V20, but I've been having a blast with the setting.
I ran a highly lethality oneshot with some friends and I'm starting a long chronicle now. My issue lies in a character my friend made.
He's making a spoiled brat ventrue, but decided to stick to the path of humanity while she drinks the men she seduces dry.
According to the Hierarchy of sin, that would lower her to two humanity quickly, but he said that because he's not draining good people, as they would be criminals and possible predators, that wouldn't lower his humanity or at least not that much (like staying around humanity level 5 or 4 as long as she doesn't kill innocents).
I remember the VtM bloodlines game saying that only killing innocents lowered your humanity, would that apply here?

>>97723121
I dont think so. As far as i see, killing must still be justified like defense of self, defense of someone you love, or at the very least genuine "betterment of the society" like killing rapists and murderers (like that one Brujah did in the bloodlines you have mentioned). Killing just because you can and flimsy coming up withe excuses should still cause degradation. At the end of the day, sins in case of Humanity ranking isnt a mere "did I went against God's will", but more immediately how much control does your character retain over himself and how much did he succumb to his sinful, viciously predatory nature.
But at the end of the day, its your game so if you think that the decision goes against this reasoning but will make your story more fun, go with it.

>>97723164
I should clarify about the "betterment of society", I mean actual threats, not just any regular drug addicts or pervert gooners. And she must be genuine in her belief, it should not come as Pharisaic.

>>97723121
>Concerning oneself with morality
Do v*mpires really?

>>97723164
>>97723174
From what he explained, her reasoning goes like this:
The men are heinous criminals because they are attracted to her and decided to pursue her. Ergo, she's just taking out potential predators (she's 15).
I guess I'd have to ask him how genuine she is about her belief in them being threats?
I'd definetely have her at least 5/4 on humanity, but I'm not sure if that could count as a way of a devious person (like her) to justify her murders, causing her to lower her humanity as she would be feeling no remorse.

>>97723252
After I'm done with this Camarilla chronicle, I want to run a path of enlightenment Sabbath campaign or perhaps play one while one of my firiends acts as the ST.
No more moralfagging, we are doing pacts with the fallen, diablerizing and sacrificing the cattle (until we bite more than we could chew and get absolutely gaped by a justicar or black hand members).

>>97723252
Mage or Hunter, call it

>>97723265
I mean, if she's intentionally luring and straight up killing them, perverts or not, that's premeditated muder, so down to Humanity 2 she goes by all accounts. Of course, you can tweak the Humanity scale if you so desire and feel less sanctimonious.

It's different from say, engaging with them, they get violent and then she kills them in self-defense

>>97723265
It's not about how just how genuine also, like anon here says >>97723454 intent matters a lot. It's like putting yourself (as a woman) in a situation where you can get raped so that a guy tries to rape you and you get to use your pocket bear killer small arms revolver to blow his brains all over the pavement. Arguably you lose justification for self-defense if you willingly make yourself a target in a way that you could have controlled more than once. It's one of those things where when you get to nooticing a pattern it goes from unfortunate girl to man-eater territory. Ultimately up to you, but yeah it's not exactly a sustainable practice, and killing off normies for no reason too is kind of a retard move by most kindred

>>97723454
>>97723500
You are making good points, I'll have her start with 3 or 4 humanity then. I'll put some bait later into the chronicle to see if her spoiled nature will lead her to further give into the beast.
>>97723500
>it's not exactly a sustainable practice, and killing off normies for no reason too is kind of a retard move by most kindred
Yeah, we are fine with it as long as it makes a good story. We like games where we play heavily flawed people that may find their doom.
None of us have issues with our actions causing an early TPK if the story demands.
The only thing that I'll struggle a bit now is balancing and justifying the coterie, as for now they are:
>Spoiled ventrue girl
>Neonazi brujah that thinks Carthaginians and Brujah were the real aryans (brash and outspoken about it too).
>Occult freak tremere that got bloodbound to a cold sire just so he could do magic
>Ravnos drug addict manchild
>Bum that chose isolation because he despised society turned nosferatu

>>97723318
Both. Mages are too autistic to care once they really get into whatever paradigm they have, Hunters are on a mission from God and hunters range anywhere from ruthless pragmatism to Faitmaxxing gigachada like Bach. Anything can be justified

>>97723697
>Hunters are on a mission from God
>God
Does he know?

>>97720099
>i graduated from Oak's nursery and were trained by his finest guardsmen. i know my way around dangerous things

>>97723121
while she drinks the men she seduces dry.
>>97723265
The men are heinous criminals because they are attracted to her and decided to pursue her.
Who is the one initiating? If his character is intentionally seeking men out and then draining them then I would say humanity 2. If his character is baiting herself and the predator doesnt realize he is prey then I would say humanity 3.

But what about guys close to her age? Would a 16 year old guy qualify as a potential target despite being within an acceptable age range?

>>97723957
I forgot to add the >
durr

>>97723890
Silence, agent of Satan

>>97722719
If you're including the mythical stuff don't forget the Amazons. Also if you're going to have the gentry taking the place of the Greek Gods, you could do some fun stuff with how much the Wyrd is tied to fate and fortune, and as a result, the outcome will be determined by the Wyrd itself. Achilles will always slay Hector, Paris's arrow will always find Achilles' heel, and Odysseus's ruse with the horse will always be accepted, sealing Troy's fate.

Also, I believe there's an STV book that takes the 1e "fantasy hero" template from Mirrors and brings it to 2e, along with a lot of explicit "ancient myth culture hero" flavoring. So regardless of if you're running 1e or 2e, that's a good resource for making the mortal heroes have a bit more oomph.

>>97723121
>>97723265
Humanity RAW is fairly unwieldy. You as the ST will have to do a lot of interpretation and heavy lifting.

As for the morality of the vampire's actions, I'd say it depends a lot on the details. Does she dress and act her age while hunting being the big one. If she's presenting herself as an adult, and doing a reasonable job of it, then I'd say it's just premeditated murder. If she's making it clear she's an underaged girl, then sure. I don't see what's wrong about killing creeps, again with the caveat that she's not presence/dominating them into it, and they understand she's a minor but still try to pursue her.

I'm curious, is this because her blood requirement is something extreme like "creepy older men"? It's definitely more psycho if it's not.

white wolf be like
>we won't feature jesus because that's just in bad taste
>but we will say that christianity was founded by lucifer to weaken his rivals

>>97723957
I didn't mean to imply that I held those views like if I was priggish, she is the one that sees them as heinous criminals/trash because they are attracted to her/take her offer.
From what I remember is more or less like this:
>posts on social media
>men take the bait
>men get into her dms
>flirts and tells them to come over her house
>drains them dry
Would that be humanity 3 or 2?

>But what about guys close to her age? Would a 16 year old guy qualify as a potential target despite being within an acceptable age range?
I don't think so, she would be targeting for guys that look at least like adults 18-20 to middle age guys. With that age range she sees them as creeps rather than simply older men.

>>97720068
the black hand presumably, cause she was an infernalist

>>97724048
>I don't see what's wrong about killing creeps, again with the caveat that she's not presence/dominating them into it, and they understand she's a minor but still try to pursue her.
They would have to go to her willingly in the first place, so no disciplines would have been used to coerce them.
>>97724048
>I'm curious, is this because her blood requirement is something extreme like "creepy older men"? It's definitely more psycho if it's not.
More like she first decided to target someone like that, making her blood requirement that.
The flaw works in the sense that she sees the older men as creepy pedos, rather than it being an universal metric.
>Does she dress and act her age while hunting being the big one. If she's presenting herself as an adult, and doing a reasonable job of it
I'd have to ask my player, but from what I gathered it's not something she would be hiding.

>>97724102
Id say humanity at 3.
>I don't think so, she would be targeting for guys that look at least like adults 18-20 to middle age guys.
One little bit of advice I can give in regards to descriptions is to note bits of white in the hair and balding/thinning hairlines. Before my friend left his previous job, they hired this girl who told me that she liked older guys. Those were some of the things she would make mention of when talking about guys she crushed on.

>>97723613
That's fair then, if the player understands the character is willingly pushing herself towards her early doom and that's part of the campaign's theme then that works just fine

>>97724125
Wouldn't the Inquisition be a more likely suspect on the grounds of her being an Infernalist? oh who am I kidding.

While the Black Hand killing the Regent without any reprisal would be the ultimate and final cuck for the rest of the Sabbat, which already is way too deferent to a fifth column of psychotic assamites, gangrel, and lasombra, I think it'd be more interesting if it weren't an internal job.

>>97723121
You will also need to decide how dark your World of Darkness is.
Is murder so common and so easy to cover up that this vampire can get away with regularly killing her preferred prey, without needing to worry about being caught? Or are you going for a more realistic World of Darkness, in which each of these killings will probably end up on the news? If you're going with a more grounded setting, then she will have to deal with the police hunting her down for her serial killer antics, and the Camarilla frowning on her for endangering the Masquerade with her shenanigans.

>>97724223
well other suspect put forward are the Sabbat Inquisition, the Assamites under Ur-Shulgi, or the True Black Hand or Nergal himself.
girl was also dealing with mortal cartels and black spiral dancers and the samuel haight nonsense was high profile enough that at the end of chaos theory both the technocrats and the traditions decided to investigate the city and she was the servant of the ancient vampire who exploded sam in the half of the endings where he didn't explode himself

so the books themselves blame everyone but the camarilla so it was probably them

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>>97724185
I'll keep that in mind, I'll bring it to discussion on session 0v2 (we already had one session 0).
>>97724201
>the character is willingly pushing herself towards her early doom and that's part of the campaign's theme then that works just fine
In general I like to run campaigns where anything can happen according to the internal logic of the world. If you fuck up with the big boys of the block without any plan? You are getting fucked unless you pull a genius move that makes sense.
We are fine with a character of the coterie dying early on if the plot demands it.
Still, I don't know how she'll be changed/interact with the highest humanity rating characters.
The brujah would be at level 4, while the nosferatu bum would be the highest (level 8).
From what I'm understanding, unless she starts going murderhobo on anyone, she'll stay at level 3, right?
I'm still doubting a bit what humanity level I have her be, because the level 4 humanity level blurp

>>97724232
It's going for a darker version of our world. The thing is that she has level 4 or 5 resources.
I think I'll have the brujah take care of the bodies as long as he gets paid. The guy is dirt poor, so he could definitely use the money.
>she will have to deal with the police hunting her down for her serial killer antics, and the Camarilla frowning on her for endangering the Masquerade with her shenanigans
I'm still on the fence on how to tackle that. Her money and connections could help a long way, but she's no criminal mastermind, more like a rich self-indulgent girl that has a way with words and high appearance and charisma.
I was thinking that maybe donations to the corrupt police department and in keeping the masquerade in play (as long as she isn't that obvious) would be one of her main boons to vampire society.

>>97724349
If you're going for a darker-than-reality interpretation of the World of Darkness, don't worry too much about the cover-up part of it. Just work with the player to come up with a suitable solution, which can be as simple as
>She pays the right person with her Resources 4/5 and they pin the blame on some lowly gang-banger.
That way, you can focus on vampire shenanigans for the entire group and her serial killing of pedophiles shouldn't derail the game, unless the player goes really overboard with it.

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>Appearance 8

>>97724316
>I'm still doubting a bit what humanity level I have her be, because the level 4 humanity level blurp
I think it would depend on the core reason he is going this angle and how he goes about it. If he is acting more like a spider catching prey with webs then I would say 4. If he is pulling them in and then torturing the fuck out of them before killing them I would say 3. "The vampire likely indulges twisted pleasures and aberrant whims" to quote the Humanity 3-2 blurp

>>97724258
Based.

>>97724349
I'll be honest, it's not something you should need to sweat too hard as long as the PC isn't a total idiot about it. A murder here or there is easy to cover up when you're in a big city, have mind control, money, and a functioning frontal lobe. Now if she does this every few nights... that might become a problem, but if she's draining them dry she can't possibly be doing it that frequently. Honestly her biggest problem is gonna be running out of sleazebags. Because Ventrue have such limited feeding pools, they've got extra incentive to not kill while feeding.

>>97724674
Let's be real here, trying to draw an inhumanly beautiful person would be an exercise in futility. Always thought Appearance was a questionable attribute.

>>97724720
Probably making them like look sculptures from the renaissance or greek sculptures would be the best approach

Which Vampire clan is the chuddiest of all?

>>97724773
chud comes from
>Cannibalistic Humanoid Underground Dwellers
so easily nosferatu

>>97724093
>we won't feature jesus because that's just in bad taste
Anon, I…
>WtA mentioned how Banes and Fomori couldn’t stand to be near the Nazarene
>Ashur himself was explicitly inspired by him to enact his plan to Diablerize God
>The Celestial Chorus, barring the Latitudearians faction

>>97724773
Totentanz

>>97724864
Was Jesus a Werewolf then or was he just that guy

>>97724729
Those statues are beautiful, but would you call them more beautiful than say, a 20 year old Jennifer Connelly? Assuming one even thinks a statue of a person and a living person could even be comparable in the first place. Ugly is easy to be objective about, and I'm not one of those "beauty is 100% subjective" people, but ask 100 men who the most beautiful person in the world is, you'll get many different answers. It's not that there aren't universally appealing traits, it's that the top percentile of beauty becomes more and more about personal taste.

Not to mention when someone is aesthetic, but not necessarily attractive. It makes it very difficult to accurately depict on a 1-5 scale, let alone figure out what something more beautiful than the most beautiful person ever would look like.

>>97724773
Depends on your definition of "Chuddy". I could see arguments for Nosferatu, Malkavian, and even Tzimisce.

>>97724890
He was The guy.

>>97724901
Well the idea is that a statue is supposed to be a nearly unattainable beauty standard, drawing actual supernatural beauty is just not possible since we're limited by what our eyes can naturally see and barring market research to make yourself a literal 12/10 homunculus from every good looking actress with perfect facial symmetry, it isn't actually possible. The idea is more so unattainability than to actually make a definite statement. Arguably, I'd say maybe appearance 5+ should start looking pretty alien

>>97724674
>Chest this flat
>lesbian haircut
>8

>>97724890
He could be literally anything. A human with 10 dots in TF is also a possibility

>>97724890
>Was
He IS The Son of God
t. Via Caeli Kindred

>>97724957
>lesbian haircut
How so? It just looks like her hair is swept to one side for a clearer side profile to me.

>>97724935
>>97724970
>>97724980
I'll choose to accept that he's simply a very powerful Mage though genuinely being the son of god is probably the likely answer despite God in WoD seemingly not being very kosher with reality

>>97724890
woofs just say that he was around and his mere presence crippled all wyrm creatures in the middle east

mage says he is a godhead which is spirit who is usually the head of a phanteon or other major gods (odin, zeus and krishna are also mentioned) just below "the one" who are able to do certain things even archmages can't like fixing a nephandus back to normal

>>97724980
Salubri...

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>>97725035
Guess again

>>97724232
-t. has never been to Flint, Philadelphia or Los Angeles.

>>97725017
upon closer inspection you may be right. At first glance it looked like that awful half-shave hairvut.

>>97725389
I had to do a double take myself just to be sure. Ive actually been reading through the profiles in the v5 books and ffs im lgbt but i was just amazed how many faggots and 'ally' vampires there were.

The disconnect was wild to me because you have some of them with a low ass humanity score but they still somehow care about lgbt rights.

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Vigil went well last night. The players got some concrete answers to their suspicions and can now work to deal with them.
In order:
They now know that a large murder spirit is haunting the town, feeding off the works of the Slashers in town. They've found out that while it can subsist on dead bodies, it really thrives if it can feed on an active killing. It's following Slashers about for this reason.

The leader of the Abbey in town has gone mad and become a Slasher himself. 20 years of single-minded vengeance have left the man hollow, and after getting his revenge he's found that there's not a lot left of him. He looks in the mirror and all he can see is the werewolf he's been hunting for two decades. He's become a Mutant, twisted by his hatred and now looks like a large wolfman, he has just enough self-awareness of what he's become to be disgusted at himself.

The leader of the Union Jacks has been directing her cell to deal with the Amaranthine Cat population in town, and has been in general, rather suspicious. After some stern questioning, she's confided that her husband (also a Hunter) has taken their newborn baby and is using it as blackmail. She gets a phonecall from him once a week with new instructions, and she's allowed to listen and speak to her baby. Her husband is a Ghoul for a Mekhet out of town, who is using the Jacks cell to clear everything out and prepare the town for his arrival. He spies on them with Auspex 5, and is actually visible to the one wolf-blooded former PC who points him out every time he drifts through a wall.

Lastly, the PCs uncovered that the Puppeteer Slasher is actually a member (former) of Task Force: Valkyrie. Pic related. They may not have a line to Washington, but I'm sure they'll figure out a way to leverage this knowledge against him somehow.

>>97725522
>I might be a monster, but I'm not a villain
type of character draft
>>97725620
Sounds cool as hell between this and the murder spirit. Also
>wolf-blooded former PC
What?

>>97725657
One of the Players retired a PC after an encounter with a Werewolf that involved 17 civillians dying. She rocked a Lunacy check and became wolf-blooded in the process. Me and the player looked through the list for something interesting and settled on True Sight (or something), that lets her see into Twilight at all times. The character had really been struggling to manage the commitments of her life and the Vigil, having two young children and being a single parent. A double-digit case of collateral and now never being far away from some nascent spirits and ghosts was enough for her to throw in the towel.

She's been lured back in after one of the NPC Hunter cells targetted her, believing her to be a Witch. She's still an NPC, but I'm thinking I'll more use her as a GMPC to help the PCs out with some of their shortcomings (none of them have more than two ranks in Occult, for example).

>>97724980
Even a vile leech knows the truth

Playing a Vampire with the Shepherd mask is fun. Last session I got to bust out the line "This city is mine, and I will not leave it to face a nightmare of someone else's making.

>>97716512
Nice pic OP, Steve Ellis rocks

>>97725522
>The disconnect was wild to me because you have some of them with a low ass humanity score but they still somehow care about lgbt rights.
I'd make sense if they used their "support" to gain influence with useful idiots (both human and vampire), or a going with it because they used to when they were human and it's more of a habit thn genuine support. They're obviously trying to appeal to their "target audience"

>>97726437
VtM to VtR 2e fan conversion anon here. Absolute last call for things to include in the 1.1, which is the final version for the foreseeable future. Otherwise, I'll be posting it either this thread or the next.

>>97726590
god, I'm so tired I accidentally replied to someone when posting.

Sorry about that, anons.

>>97726437
Lobbying for LGBT acceptance as a vampire is a really bad idea unless your name is Bishop Vick.

>>97726604
Well, vampires have a very long history of supporting things that come back to bite them in the ass

>>97726590
i am the anon who played a chronicle with his friends from christmas to a few weeks ago with it and beside the true brujah not having a write up (which we already talked about) i haven't found anything major missing

the only thing i could think of is that dav20 has some alternative powers for some disciplines which could make for good devotions akin to what you did with valeren

>>97722719
>>97724674
Speaking of mythology, one of my favorite bits of mythohistory is the story that a Greek soldier beat King Priam to death using his own grandson Astyanax as a club.

>>97726604
>>97726850
>Vampire getting AIDs from drinking AIDs blood
That could be funny

>>97726923
Fun fact: VtR has a bloodline called "The Brothers of Ypres" which came into existence during WWI around the time of the battles in and around the eponymous city and whose curse is that they can only draw sustenance from poisoned or diseased blood. I bet they'd flock to California, that place probably sounds like paradise to them.

>>97722719
>Lostfag tries to not be a queer for 5 seconds Challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

>>97726917
>a Greek soldier
>Implying it was some rando
>It was Pyrrhus, the fucking son of Achilles

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Now that I think about, thanks to Zoomers, the Backrooms probably exist somewhere in the Dreaming now.

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>>97716512
Drawfag here, with a little WIP of the Chulorviah, including all three types of them!

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>>97727176
Oh yeah, there you go. Huh.

>>97727199
>WoD: We have Squidward at home!
>The Squidward at home:

>>97724048
>the Wyrd is tied to fate and fortune, and as a result, the outcome will be determined by the Wyrd itself. Achilles will always slay Hector, Paris's arrow will always find Achilles' heel, and Odysseus's ruse with the horse will always be accepted, sealing Troy's fate
The Wyrd is Fate, the story of Troy has already been decided on, only the details can be changed now that myth and legend have already decided the outcome. Atleast that's how i'll run it. Patroclus must die, hectors corpse will be dragged around the walls and odysseus will feel poseidons wrath. But it must not be patroclus who fights hector in the armor of achilles, nor must it be hector who falls to achilles skill in their duel. A good story afterall shouldn't be ruined by secondary things like truth or facts. What people believe to wittness is more important than what they actualy see.

>>97726917
I still think its absurdly funny how the ruins of troy where found by the ,,archeologist" schliehmann. Truer pc-logic has rarely graced this earth.

>>97727168
My dude, both wods are, and have always been, queer as fuck. If you honestly think werewolf troy or vampire troy would be any straighter you should realy reconsider your decisions that made you post here in the gay containment thread on the /T(otally)G(ay)/ board.

>>97727543
>Lostfag attempting “it always had queers” revisionism
At least you’re revealing your bias. CofD is the version that had official faggot art. And 5e? Well, that goes all-in on Woke fag shit. So I can see why those versions appeal to someone like you.

>97727582
Weird cope, but you do you.

>>97726604
>Lobbying for LGBT acceptance as a vampire is a really bad idea unless your name is Bishop Vick.
You say it like the advent of cruising apps haven't been the greatest revolution in vampire feeding
>Hey wanna go to the middle of the woods at night for a good time? BTW no telling I have a wife and kids/am still in the closet/whatever

>>97727582
Very brown post.

>>97727040
I bet they would too. Is there any mention of them going there as a trend? I'd figure if it was older WoD they absolutely would.

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>>97727864
>-t.

>>97727864
>Republican conventions overload Grindr

>>97727193
And?

>>97728037
You don't actually have to have sex with the gays to get their blood anon, but more power to you if you do.

>>97727864
>feeding on gays
Congrats, now you're a plague carrier like >>97728037 and the Cam is soon to find out. Enjoy the sight of the sunrise.

>>97728395
Unless you're bleeding on people, no one should be getting HIV from a vampire except their ghouls, but fuck 'em.

>>97725051
>Tzigger
>Via Caeli
Yeah, and Cain is sorry for what he did to Abel.

Layman here.
In Mage the Ascension (oWoD), considering the Mage uses appropriate paradigms, what would be the smallest Sphere investment for a character to be able to change appearance and look like other people?

Disguising as other humans at will like a D&D Changeling would be fun, but having only a couple forms that can be transformed into would be ok as well if easier to perform. Lengthy transformations and innards staying the same would also be ok if it helps.
Also, would it be 'cheaper' or easier to instead have a inanimate human body (that needs to be created only once) kept safely stored somewhere ready to be possessed or have the Mage's mind transferred into if needed?

Life would obviously be necessary, but would Spheres like Prime be needed for the form to have the correct pattern, for example? Of course a high enough Prime could help with Paradox, but I'm aiming for earlier game and lower power levels.
Would Spirit or Mind be needed at all, assuming the brain and Soul could presumably stay the same?

>>97728395
Most gay men in the first world engaging in risky sex activities these days are on PReP and immune to HIV.

>mfw the whole Monkey Pox thing being abruptly swept under the rug was the Camarilla narrowly managing to cover up a Masquerade breach by a plague-carrying Kindred.

>>97728694
Obertus Tzimisce are a thing

>>97728946
The dudes that think that Revenants are the next step in human evolution?

>>97729013
I was referring more to the Byzantine Tzimisce in general, not the revenant house.

>>97729031
Those guys are pretty much all Dracon's get, right? Might be easier to use that.

>>97726915
Noted. I don't really have a second pair of eyes to put on this thing so the 1.1 pass found more issues than I had expected. Old versions of houserules we'd long since refined, that kind of stuff. Still no clue how True Brujah fell through the cracks. I'll give the dav20 disciplines a quick pass and see if anything speaks to me, no promises though, there's already a ton of devotions.

I'd also like to generally apologize for how long this took, I suffered a huge setback when my laptop bricked, and I lost the master copy of the document. Adding stuff to the PDF was slower than I had hoped as a result, since rather than edit the master and then create a PDF from it, I had to graft two PDFs together. Should be coming either today or tomorrow.

>>97729033
Fair enough. Though I wish there were more descendants of other Methuselah there.

>>97729013
Are they not? Longer life spans, entry level disciplines, and the fact they have enough vitae in their system to circumvent the thirst of ages. If we turn the whole human race into revenants we could probably get rid of the majority of lupines too!

>>97728747
>In Mage the Ascension (oWoD), considering the Mage uses appropriate paradigms, what would be the smallest Sphere investment for a character to be able to change appearance and look like other people?
Life 3 is all you need for that.

>Also, would it be 'cheaper' or easier to instead have a inanimate human body (that needs to be created only once) kept safely stored somewhere ready to be possessed or have the Mage's mind transferred into if needed?
That would require significantly more dots to pull off. You'd need Life 5 to create something as complex as a human body and Prime 2 to create it from nothing. You don't need Mind or Spirit since it's going to be a mindless shell but you would need a lab full of all sorts of equipment to keep it alive, which is why generally only rich Progenitor masters tend to do it (they also supply other techies with spare bodies, but they have a chokehold on the clone industry so you better not piss them off).

>>97729121
The extant Revenant families are tiny though, and they have to be concerningly inbred to manage that. You'd either need to reduce the family tree of humanity to a bush, or have ten times the amount of vampires to provide enough vitae to ghouls, and then do that for ten generations until everyone is a revenant.

>>97729162
We can slightly speed up the process by getting a 4th gen Salubri to revive all recently dead people with Heaven's Gate, since those revive as revenants.

>>97729121
>If we turn the whole human race into revenants we could probably get rid of the majority of lupines too!
The flesh is weak, allowing humanity to wield the true might of science is the only way forward.

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>>97729229
Define "science"

>>97729162
Both those sound like jyhad plans ruined by Ghehena.

>>97729121
But fucking with the lupines is what makes a Tzim's life have meaning?

>>97729162
wouldn't even work you need blood sorcery in addition to generations of breeding and kolduns number in the dozens and are magically made paranoid about sharing koldunic sorcery and most of them are also on a path that makes sharing knowledge a sin

>>97729300
Makes you wonder, how much of a curbstomp battle Tziggers vs Other clans would be if they weren't paranoid autistic chuds.

>>97729338
Mechanically Tziggers would get their shit stomped by most clans in a 1v1. Vicissitude is famously mediocre as a discipline RAW. All the fun stuff that the fluff loves to wank off is gatekept behind being 7th gen+ or a blood mage. Auspex is good but largely defensive/utility, and Animalism is pretty situational.

In the fluff they get the plot buff of being a "villain" clan, but mechanically they aren't all that.

reminder the Baali beat Tziggers to creating Revenants by several thousand years. D'habi baby.

>>97729400
Yes, yes, very interesting, now back to the meat grinder, satanic trash.

>>97729300
>wouldn't even work you need blood sorcery
Source?
>in addition to generations of breeding
Netchurch was able to create a new revenant family in just 3 generations with 1 ducheski loaned from the tr*mere

>>97729409
I'm just saying it's sad how the tziggers have basically nothing of their own. Revenants? D'habi beat them to it. Even the Ventrue made one just to prove they could. The Tremere completely wizardmog them. Even Vicissitude isn't truly theirs, it's just a disease they happen to be congenital hosts of.

It does make sense for the clan descended from Irad's puke experiment that Enoch embraced on a dare. But it is sad.

>>97723265
There's no way round it. It's humanity 2 no matter how your player tries to wheedle out of it.

Also stop playing with people who try to put lolibait as their main characterisation and motivation.

>>97729373
i once been in a sabbat game with a tzimisce and a salubri and they had to flat out retire their chars a few session in because they been so useless to the point where they bought nothing to the pack at all... well to be fair i was playing a city gangrel... but the pack worked far better after they replaced their first chars with a lasombra and a harbinger of skulls

>>97729373
>is gatekept behind being 7th gen+
Isn't that nearly all disciplines, though? Most <=5 level discipline abilities look lame in general.

>>97729502
>well to be fair i was playing a city gangrel...

You monster.

>>97729550
This is why I always say that Requiem (and by extension all/most CofD gamelines) did good by hard-capping the top of the power trees and expanding what you can do with the lower levels of power.

>>97729562
>You monster.
well that's kinda the point in a sabbat game ;)

>>97729256
My analysis concludes that you are unable to grasp the power of Enlightened genius and / are not human.

>>97716529
Know this is bait but
It's PENTEX
Read two things about them and you'd understand that the OP is supposed to be children testing of bane infused products
The wyrm rots and corrupts it's supposed to be comically evil
They get a pass unlike fish lips because of what they are
Satire but much more importantly fun satire
If things went a little different in real life we would probably still have coke and morphine children's calming candy or radioactive glow in the dark dolls
Asbestos baby blankets
Lead paint and gasoline
Meth to keep you up during a long shift
Rotten meat in filthy slaughter houses
Arsenic green clothes
And many more

>>97729157
Those points make sense.
Life 3 is the way to go then.

Thank you kindly for the thorough explanation.

>>97729415
Libellus sanguinis mentions "blasphemous rituals" being needed and the Kairouan Brotherhood is all about a group of assamites trying to reverse engeneer the ritual to create revenants with success, but at the cost of being banished from alamut

>Netchurch was able to create a new revenant family in just 3 generations with 1 ducheski loaned from the tr*mere
Netchurch is a major blood sorcerer he casually mentions in fatal addiction that he summons succubi to fuck his ghouls when they get horny. his hot take about magic isn't that it's not real. he knows mages and mentioned having had a ghoul mage before (although he does not get the difference between mages and sorcerers), but that the occult trappings are fake

>>97729748
*tips*

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>>97729817
>Libellus sanguinis mentions "blasphemous rituals" being needed
I never really looked into VtDA books too much so I will concede that point. The way the V20 books make it out, you just had to selectively breed them.
>Netchurch is a major blood sorcerer he casually mentions in fatal addiction that he summons succubi to fuck his ghouls when they get horny.
That I will still contest. Pic rel and his exact wording in Fatal Addiction "I myself have provided ghouls with the occasional incubus or succubus, so to speak, so they might appropriately slake their lusts.

So To Speak means his word choice is metaphorical. He was saying he provides them with prostitutes.

>>97730030
most revenant lore is actually from the dark ages because of wod theme of everything being in dead or in decline during the final nights so during the dark age these guys still have a role in society and are not reduced to little more than the novelty ghouls they will become after the anarch revolt, so they have characters in the books. the have plot lines (mostly the obterus) they have a weird crossover familly

>So To Speak means his word choice is metaphorical. He was saying he provides them with prostitutes.
that's fair, but still he had mad mage ghouls. he has written entire papers on disciplines including blood magic and has contacts with both the members of the path of death and soul (aka necromancers) and the higher ups of clan tremere who are acording to the revised blood magic books also working on removing all the uneeded hermetic trappings from their blood magic which aligns to his theory

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Drowned legacies when?
Would you prefer that writers make them as bloodlines, or be their own thing distinct from cainites?

>>97730081
Makes sense. Im definitely going to read more into Libellus Sanguinis when I get the chance.
>that's fair, but still he had mad mage ghouls.
Im fine with that. My issue was saying Netchurch was a blood sorcerer. I know magic and all that jazz is real in the setting but I know he thinks its a bunch of gobbity gook. He will try to understand it as best he can but ultimately think of it as flowery nonsense.

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>>97729862
Your financial contribution is welcome. Stay still and wait for disintegration.

>>97724391
>>97724720
The chronicle is taking place in LA, so the pop will be quite high. Perhaps some issues will arise later on into the story, but I'll see how it goes.
>>97724704
I spoke to the player, no torture is taking place so I guess level 4 would be fine for now.
>>97729458
I don't see the issue with his character, I don't really see it as lolibait. He hasn't made her a mary sue nor is being annoying with it.
The last campaign I played with him was with WFRPG and he played a snobby noble who frequently got into hot water due to being such an asshole. It reminds me of this one in a sense.

>>97730251
They would would work best as a Kuei Jin variant.

>>97730251
Cainites, I honestly don't even want more Laibon style bloodlines. Most Clans are flexible enough conceptually to fit multiple cultures. I don't see why you need to invent gimmick bloodlines for Brujah (American). I'd rather not retcon all the existing lore on pre-Columbian vampires (who are so cainite you can diablerize them, thanks Mictlan) and if KotE is any indication, I don't trust the people writing VtM, then or now, to be able to make a non-Cainite vampire without it being so radically different it really should be its own splat, or so minor in difference there's no reason to not make them Cainites.

I also think the idea of Drowned Legacies, that being reclusive native vampires that nobody knows much about is more boring than the alternative. Central and South American countries are not cut purely from the cloth of American or Iberian civilization. The idea that their vampires would be entirely european transplants is exceedingly boring to me. Civilizations like the Aztecs, Maya, and Incas were large scale and complicated despite the many technologies they lacked. A massive city like Tenochtitlán could support a large vampire population, and seeing how they fused, or didn't fuse, in the case of overzealous Sabbat killing everyone who isn't Noddist, is more interesting for both modern nights and historical games.

>>97730467
they turned the laibon back into normal cainites with dav20 and kept most of the magical africa stuff as just flavor an nothing was really lost about them they even added three more bloodlines

so yeah i'd second having the drowned legacy just be cainites maybe a mix of bloodlines and clans we already know after all the Tlacique are technically members

What the heck is a Slasher

>>97731514
Default bad guy in Hunter for when you aren't sending them against stuff from another book

>>97731514
Ever seen one of those horror movies where the masked psycho with a machete systematically stalks and dismembers the cast and somehow seems to survive being bludgeoned, crushed, shot at, drowned, explosive decompression, etc, and still come back in the next film to do it again to another batch of dipshit teenagers? Basically one of those with super duper scary superpowers.

And now it's odd to think about how slasher movies are kind of an anachronism these days.

>>97731514
Serial killer with such a boner for murder they get superpowers from it. >>97731532 is one variant, you also get discount Hannibal Lecters, killer incels/black widows, Punisher wannabes and literal chuds.

>>97731532
The thing about Slasher movies is you have to place them in the context of how horror movie trends always reflect the cultural anxieties of the time. 50s horror movies about Blobs and Pods were fear of communism, 90s vampire movies and 2000s zombie movies were both about the american political administrations of those decades, etc.

Slashers are interesting because you have to look at them through the lens of second wave feminism, the increased presence of women in the workplace and media in the 70s and 80s. There's ongoing debate in the horror enthusiast community on how much of this was making movies about how great murdering feminist women is and how much was making movies about the chuds of the day being evil murderers.

Interestingly, this goes back at least as far as Bram Stoker's Dracula, where Lucy is the conformist woman who just wants to get married and settle down and she gets embraced and then killed, while Mina is the "new woman" of the time who is more interested in work and business than raising a family and it's her mastery of document review and secretarial skills that end up saving the day.

>>97730763
I probably could've worded the first part of my post better.

I do like what we have on pre-Columbian vampires already, even if it is extremely sparse. Tlacique are neat. I find Pochtli fascinating, a pre-columbian Cappadocian methuselah that the Gios would rather treat with than try to exterminate.

>just be cainites maybe a mix of bloodlines and clans
This is honestly my rubric for writing/rewriting regions with sparse or unsatisfactory official lore. It's not like Europe, especially before the modern nights, doesn't have its own local weirdo Bloodlines (Lhiannan, for example). The more flexible clans like Toreador, Malkavian, or Ventrue can be adapted to pretty much any culture. Less archetypal and more parochial clans can still be adapted without changing their central character, see Carpathian Tzimisce vs. Byzantine Tzimisce vs. Naglopers vs. Indian Tzimisce (lore stub that they are).

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>dude racks up a 3-digit killcount while looking like this and somehow doesn't get spotted and swatted in a world where every corner has at least one CCTV camera up until the player characters get involved
Explain.

>>97721456
Placeholders and kludges meant to occupy space until they got to it. WW did these frequently; a number of auspices in Hengeyokai for Fera that hadn't been covered by summer '98 had their Gift access listed as "use this Garou auspice".

Then the books for those Fera came out and handled things as, you know, the Fera and not the Garou.

>>97731600
A power that works like Obfuscate 1

>>97731600
>xe thinks people actually review cctv cameras
There's a reason the authorities are hilariously inept at finding criminals short of criminals ousting themselves going to a movie they're a fan of

>>97731607
Bad comparison. Even as late as the W20th Fera book, some Fera gifts are effectively the same as Garou gifts and reference said gift. Hell, Fera USE GIFTS. They don't have the exact same stats in every case as Garou, but the most extreme the differences get is Ananasi using vampire style blood points. Fera and Garou are far more similar in mechanics than Vampire and KotE are.

All of this being secondary to the real problem which is forcibly grafting on a second splat to vampire is to the detriment of both vampire and KotE. A game like KotE could be interesting, but making it a forced crossover with vampire that geolocks vampires out of much of east asia? Miss me with that shit. It's quantum werewolves applied to a geographic region.

Ahem.

Tremere hate is overblown.

>>97732071
It's a natural reaction to Tremere fans overdoing it and Tremere being the writers' pets for most of VtM's pre-Paradox history.

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Drawfag again, I'm also working on this Technocrat pic. I know that for many editions now it hasn't been popular, but I miss when the Technocrats were evil guys. So this design kind of reflects that.

>>97732321
I enjoy the technocracy as being full of a bunch of people who want to do the right thing for the good of mankind no matter how many people they have to kill to make that happen and a lot of people who aren’t jaded or brainwashed enough to believe that yet.

Also fantastic art as always!

>>97731692
>There's a reason the authorities are hilariously inept at finding criminals short of criminals ousting themselves going to a movie they're a fan of
They're too busy arresting people for complaining on social media about foreign invaders that traffic drugs and rape local women?

>>97727199
>Chulorviah
Mah nigga. Not that into the mage-werewolf side of things but I love these pelagic freaks. Nautical horror is great (I suck at swimming).

>>97732321
Cool design. Very "of its time", but in a good way.

>>97731600
Like the World of Darkness, Chronicles of Darkness dials the darkness of the real world up to absurd degrees. A string of seemingly connected murders that would cause a statewide manhunt in real life will barely get covered in the local news.

>>97732419
I don't know, I think as more and more "PC-friendly" technocrat factions and revisions were added, I feel they became less interesting.
>>97732433
I agree, the Chulorviah are really cool I think, and make a great enemy faction.
>Very "of its time", but in a good way.
How do you mean? I will admit, I always imagined the Technocrats as looking a lot like the Strangers from Dark City, and that comes screaming off the screen in my picture.

>>97732487
It invokes very 80s and to a lesser degree 90s "sci fi dystopia". Bit Max Headroom, bit Deus Ex. Not familiar with Dark City.

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>>97732513
Yeah that's accurate. I intentionally wanted the Technocrat design to be creepy, but not overwhelmingly evil(that's for the Nephandi). I never did much like the official art for them, largely. Most of the time it came off looking much too much like normal people. And I've never liked that.
>Not familiar with Dark City.
It's a really good movie, kinda like the Matrix before the Matrix. The bad guys in it are called the Strangers, pic rel shows some of them. That's how I always pictured the Technocrats: unsettling, and monolithic. A powerfully crushing and grinding force that emotionlessly grinds all freedom from the Universe, for their own purposes.

>>97732559
I'll check it out. Sounds like a fun watch.

The Technocracy became popular and was made player-friendly because the Traditions are fundamentally unappealing to anyone who looks at the world from a materialist point of view.

Playing a non-Technocratic mage involves playing a character whose beliefs are incompatible with the world in which they live, who defies logic and reason and science in order to pursue a different path. While this is valid within the setting due to the nature of consensual reality, it's not valid in the real world in which we live. Mage the Ascension runs on philosophical idealism and the real world runs on materialism. If you met anyone who thinks like a mage does in the real world, you would rightly think that they are a delusional crackpot, but in Mage the Ascension, they are right simply because they want to be.

If you want mages in Mage the Ascension to be more popular, you would have to remove the idealism from the setting and make it more materialistic. Magic would have to be a set of physical processes and properties of the universe that mages are able to interact with, rather than reality being a product of the conscious mind.

>>97732643
I highly recommend it, it's really great.
>>97732671
I think that a lot was lost to try and make the cold, and calculating nature of the Technocrats and their goals into something good or desirable. I think it would've been better if they'd stayed more on the negative side.

>>97732487
It is definitely far too good guy now I agree but when I say they don’t care how many people they have to kill to make the world a good place it brings to mind for me, Stalinist Russia, Nazi germany, Francoist Spain, modern China. I pretty much have China be how the NWO works, while the Progs and X are just tech bros who are infatuated with the idea of Mankind but would skin any individual person to death in the streets if that advanced Consensus one iota forward. I think they’re less interesting if they’re comically evil, rather, I make them be banal, and banality of evil is what makes it so prevalent today.

>>97732671
>mage
This is more the undercurrent that arose after Brucato took over the line, 1E core presents all mages as aware that their trappings are clutches, so to speak, so is not about "how it is" but how "I will force it to be"

>>97732321
Union approved, add more Psychodynamic procedures and it will be ready for distribution.

>>97732487
Stepping away from the pogrom and getting rid of Control was a big step down in my eyes.

>>97732757
The problem hear is the 90s WW people were far along the woowoo scale and so their writing failed to connect with anyone who was born after.
The Exarchs and Seers are good for being overwhelmingly powerful and corrupting forces, but that turns into weird wankery about how powerful Mages are. Like if the Consensus became Power-Scaling.
Ascension and Magic(k) is just too formalised for "Punk".

>>97732559
I will watch this, and True Detective, soon. I'll let you anons know my thoughts

>>97723265
If she's been doing it without feeling remorse, 4 points in humanity.
It always depends on context, so you'll have to do most of the heavy lifting but it goes more or less like this:
4 points in humanity: you start killing people who you think deserve it without remorse (attackers, gang members, enemy thralls, vampires, masquerade breachers, etc).
3 points in humanity: you torture people gruesomely and indulge in the pleasures of your own attrocities
2 points in humanity: the lives of the kine or kindred hold no value to you. You can be killing normies left and right, from nuns to kids without blinking. You'll be indulging in decadent and cruel pastimes.
1 point in humanity: you no longer give a shit about anything but your own pleasure. You'll be indulging in the most sick shit you can imagine for the lulz.

Reaching a humanity of 4 is the usual routine as a chronicle goes on, you can only roll the muhfeelingbad dice so many times after killing the enemies you'll be facing

>>97723265
>>97733778
Reaching humanity 4 means that you no longer have to roll the dice to see if you lose humanity whenever your character kills someone who they think it's deserving.
Funnily enough, that can include an unveiled woman if you decide to play a certain archetype of Assamite or even a good natured kindred who learned thaumaturgy if you are playing Tremere. Hell, you could probably justify killing "boot lickers" as an anarch Brujah and maintain 4 points in humanity.

>>97732757
I'm getting a bit sick of the "banality of evil" line. Some of the most powerful people in the world are actually evil. Sure, there's some misery caused by costs being cut and shitty decisions being made in the name of maximal profit, but the highest echelons of society are also full of sadistic pedophiles who genuinely think that anyone with a net worth smaller than eight digits is a subhuman who must be ruthlessly exploited and/or culled.

Plenty of evil is banal, but plenty of evil is wilful and wanton.

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>>97733825
I agree. There's a lot of evil shit in this world, I don't get the people who obsessively need to reduce it all to a single type.