What are your thoughts on tieflings as a race and the players who play them?
>>97721028I like tiefling porn, that's about it.
>>97721028The idea of a half-infernal is still pretty cool to me after all these years, and I think it's because of things like Blade, Devil May Cry, Disgaea, and Hellboy, in which the character is in part something normally absolutely vile, but still fights for good or has prominent goodness in them.As far as Tieflings go, they are a neat idea in a shitty system.And their "players"? Well, they "play" D&D, so there isn't really much to say about the mouthbreathing simpletons.
>>97721028Both coolI'm a sucker for angels and celestials in general but aasimar always look like dweebs and 5.5 didn't give them much of an identity either (in addition to them still looking like dweebs)
>>97721028I have always thought of them as Mary sue out of place and retarded>Like I'm the heckin child of satan but I'm normal? #endhateTieflings should be genetically evil because of their infernal blood unless under extreme circumstances of exception and people shouldn't even tolerate them in cities
>>97721266Also orcs should be -2 int because they're a stupid beast race. Curious how you can have highly intelligent species like dragons or mindflayers but a low intelligence species is suddenly heckin bigotry.
>>977210282e Planescape - a good inclusion that gave the outer planes focused setting a playable "lower planes race" 3.X - an ok race handicapped by a +1 Level Adjustment.4e - a valid inclusion, especially as the iconic race of infernal warlocks.5e - Overexposed due to being the smart and charismatic race that stands out.
>>97721028The concept of someone who's part demon is cool but the 5e audience just turned them into the new sparkledogs. Tieflings should be monsters, even the rare non-evil ones should be tormented by intrusive thoughts from their demon side.
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Visually ugly therefore evil.
>>97721028What's that?
>>97721028The premise of a character with a fiendish bloodline struggling with temptation and dealing with suspicion and prejudice from those around them sounds cool in theory, but in practice it doesn't really work out during play.It usually just results in spending a lot of extra time during any given session describing how the townsfolk are distrustful towards the tiefling that everyone else at the table has to sit through. But if you skip it then the whole thing falls flat.
I wounder if the concept is flexible enough to justify not just Demonic/Fiendish influence but more pagan ones, like Fauns and Satyrs or other wild creatures, which are not necessarily always evil, but wild.
>>97721110>The idea of a half-infernal is still pretty cool to meThe topic was tieflings, though, retard.>>977210282e cool, 3.x accepable5.x gay and retardedTieflings should be rare and eclectic, not a discrete race in any meaningful in-universe sense, and should still be generally considered a member of its parent race, albeit a tainted one.Even the goodest of good tieflings should have to deal with both the intrusive nature of their aligned heritage, as well as the (perfectly valid) concerns of the local populace. Which isn't just "lol I have a tail and i'm horny xD", but both visible physical expressions as well as behavioural/psychological tendencies and idiosyncrasies.A GM asking a demonborn tiefling to roll against not lashing out in sudden anger should be a legitimate concern.
>>97721249I think Aasimars should be less goody-two-shows and take more inspiration from the Nephilim. This way you'd have a powerful parallel to tieflings. They'd be offspring of celestial transgressions and abused their powers and became tyrants. This way you can have some gravitas.
>>97721028Well there’s what this guy has to say:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4ADoC4vu1YI personally haven’t dealt with enough tiefling PCs to refute his take so…
I like the idea of Tieflings were the first magic users, but were massive dicks about it and the gods punished them. Everyone stills hate them over it.
>>97721810No, no, having Aasimars be the opposite of the Tiefling is exactly what they should be.Blame the players for not being more creative with the concept.After all, Aasimars are beings who has celestial blood right? Well that’s not just angels.So, if you made an Aasimar barbarian with wisdom as a dump stat, do you know what you get?Answer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCVrhxis0sA the Aasimar race option also lets you play as an outright demigod! Go full Ham goddamnit
>>97721028Planescape tieflings as a broad category of functional mutants who have fiendish bloodlines in their ancestry was fine, thematic, and cool. The moment that WOTC made Tieflings into one specific thing with WoW designs they become cringe and lame. Instead of being a unique and personal thing with strong thematic ties to the setting, they are just people with horns with a backstory so unrelated to themselves that it basically doesn't matter.
>>97721028Gay draenei ripoff with a terrible name (seriously, 'thiefling'?)
>>97721028>make a race that is loathe to be stereotyped as criminals>name them thieflings>they all steal anyway>those that don't steal will run defense for those that do, and claim to be paladins and serving the cause of righteousness by preventing justice from befalling their criminal counterparts because its actually RAYCIS'>people who play them spend much of their dialogue complaining about how oppressed they are>people that run games never oppress them, in fact, they're more likely to have a bunch of rainbow colored hornheads lazing around a coffee shop playing acoustic guitar and wearing converse sneakers than have someone give one a dirty looki don't like em
>>97721028Tieflings are sexy, that's literally all I know about them.
>>97721028Every single person at my table picks their races for mechanical purposes exclusively, so the only time we had a tiefling was a Lesser Tiefling in 3.5 because it's an excellent race for a Psion who sets things on fire. I have never played with someone who transfixes upon a race.
>>97721028Tiefling players are usually better roleplayers than Elf or Dwarf players
Nah.
>>97723538Who are you quoting?
>>97721249Huh? They look however you describe them.
>>97721028I've never seen one be a problem at the table, I've played one (the one that gets Flame Blade, the character was a slight reference to Princess Shinken Red from Samurai Sentai Shinkenger, right down to being a minor noble from not!japan with an oni-like appearance) and was the straight man (before you fags start crying about trannies I'm using the term within the context of a comedy given the way the other PCs were played) of the party and a pretty huge lawfag. I'm gonna play another one who's a Fighter/Rogue using the 5.5 rules with a flintlock rifle when one of the regulars in my group has the time to run Dungeon of the Mad Mage for us.Genuinely, I think even if you ban Tiefling, any sort of problem players will still be problem players. It's not about Tiefling. It's not about D&D. It's about retards not playing with their friends and instead playing with retarded randos. The one time I did play with randos (all of whom that remained are now my friends) was a streamed game of an entirely different system (Digimon Digital Adventures 1.4) and the one person who (thankfully) got replaced was a problem without tieflings even being on the table. They didn't understand the game, were one of those they/them types, made a dogshit character, and got mad when their character took damage and bailed mid-stream to fuck off and play yugioh like a faggot. So I replaced them with someone else who is now my friend and not only a great player but a great GM as well.It's not Tieflings that are the problem, it's bad players who happen to be playing tieflings. They'll still be a problem if they play any other system or if you ban tieflings.
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>>97721028Honestly the thought that comes to mind is that the player is used to extremely lenient DMs.Tieflings should be rare, only being more common in areas where fiends are common.Tieflings should be assumed to be evil, if not outright fiends, by everyone they encounter.In service of these, fiends should still have their own alignment, but be regularly compelled to give in to evil impulses that are inherent in their blood, with rolls needed to resist these compulsions similar to WoD.Most DMs would not think of this or be willing to do this, and this is why I say most tiefling players are used to lenient DMs.
>>97723698Trouble is, I wouldn't want my DM to do this. As a player, I want to do this myself. But the DM thinks I'm playing a character who tries to cause trouble for their game and wants me to just play the tiefling as a normal person instead.
>>97721802>The topic was tieflings, though, retard.Read the rest of the post, illiterate zoomzoom.
>>97723659Yeah but look at the art in 5.5 and the bland mechanics
>>97721028Big lame.I'm just not interested in "Struggling with their inner nature" themed stories, but it's actually worse when there is no such struggle, and it just boils down to "People are mean to my character because they are different", but of course, it's even EVEN worse when there is no consequence for rocking up as a fifty percent manifestation of metaphysical evil to some medieval fantasy locale with scads of highly proactive quasi-militant religious organizations spreading their tendrils like vermin, as they tend to in fantasy settings.Basically, my problem is that the people who want to play them, don't ever want to roleplay the consequences of demonic parentage meaningfully, and I'm not even that enthused by it on the rare occasion it's done right.
>>97721815> yeah, they’re hot, but they are insufferably edgy all the time and it’s going to become obvious that they use their unholy origins as a crutch to avoid personal accountability for their own poor impulse control.So Tieflings fall under the “don’t put your dick in crazy” rule?
>>97721028>What are your thoughts on tieflings as a raceThey are a thing in the game.>and the players who play them?Never met one, despite playing DnD since 2004, including running an open table post-covid.From my perspective, tieflimg memes are the most fake, astroturfed thing in existence.But we can talk about drow and dragonborn players instead
>>97721052>Make an entire race on the meme of futa Draenei
>>97721266I think their humanity should give them the potential for good but they certainly should be highly predisposed to evil. As in a person who is naturally immoral and has to actively push themselves to do good.
>>97721438>3.X - an ok race handicapped by a +1 Level Adjustment.Lesser planetouched, +0 LA.
>>97724327> But we can talk about drow and dragonborn players insteadWish I could. But frankly I’ve not played enough D&D specifically to have my own opinionsNow ask me about some FFGSW species and I might offer some opinions.
>>97721028What are tieflings like in your setting?
>>97721028they would be cool if they weren't abused.
I like when people actually play as one tied to a specific demon rather than "purple whore"
>>97724536You mean I can play demons as catgirls? SEEXXOOO
>>97724192>IF IT DOESNT HAVE RACIAL STATS MECHANICS ARE LE BLAND!It's no different from the 5th edition/2014 stuff mechanically. Fire resistance, spells, that's what they always got.As for the art, yeah, the art is far improved from 5e/2014. The dragonborn art is cool now and the overall quality has improved.Either way the other guy has a point, unless your GM says no your tiefling's appearance is up to you, and most GMs won't give a shit because it's pen and paper game, not vidya.
overexposed and overrated
>>97724791Read, nigga, read, we were talking aasimar. I really, really dislike the switching damage types at will
>>97724331The modern Tiefling design was developed before the WoW announcement that revealed the Draenei design, anon
>>97721028Boring, but then all classical dnd races are.
>>97721028Personally they overrated, the concept behind them is interesting and I'm sure some folk here have played them well it just the typical Tiefling players are the reason why they gain such a reputation in the first place
Alright, tell me how (you) would play a Tiefling OC
Tieflings are all evil and should all be killed.The players too.Just to be safe.
>>97721028Lame and gay. I should know, I used to play them. I'm less bothered by them being like this and more so by the fact they didn't need to be, but wotc needed their draenei knock-offs for 4e, and the deviantart OC bait for 5e. So they were made homogenous and bland to appeal to the fags who like that.
>>97725566How about one that’s going through the sudden, undeniable, and traumatic realization that they have been the biggest obstacle to their own happiness. More than their infernal lineage, their insufferably angsty attitude and poor decision making has been the reason they’ve been kicked out of places and adventuring parties. And now they’re stuck having to wrestle with this new self reflection.
>>97721028I desire demon women carnally, but I am turned off by evil. You're telling me there's a race of potentially good-aligned demon women? Hell yeah, brother.
I was thinking of revamping them a bit. They make sense in the setting I'm thinking off, if I play them more like planetouched and liminal half-humans. Still, I'd like to go a bit wider so different cultures think not of them as demon-offspring, or born out of sin, but djinns, fauns/satyrs, and other transgressive supernatural. I think they would be tolerated because they are more closely attuned to aether which makes them prime candidates to become casters.
>>97721028they're fun to play once in a while but a tiefling4life player is the new elf4life player, and a soontobe freakshit4life playerincidentally I main halflings
>>97721028They're ugly, I hate any humanoid with horns and tails having a heroic role
>>97721028Never had a good player as a tiefling for the past two decades, to the point where it's a red flag for me at this point. Too many times burned. The concept I have no problems with, shit, Merlin himself in mythology is in some variations basically a tiefling, but I can count players who did it well on one hand.
>>97725566I played one who had not angst at all and was a diabolically clever manipulator and tactician who kept the party alive, but was also using them for its own ends. Another one does have angst, but it is not due her tiefling nature, but due something she did by mistake, is deeply ashamed off, felly hyper-responsible about it, but masks it behind a confident and playful attitude and trickster mask.
>>97725566Pathologically good Tiefling who is good not because he/she wants it, but because he/she so afraid of the "darkness" (perhaps relentlessly bullied or drilled into it), even if the "darkness" is not really that strong or doesn't exist at all. Like one of those Christian girls who make a BIG DEAL of being virgins up to marriage.
>>97725566>acts nice and pleasant to be around, all the "im one of the good ones" shmock>actually ruthlessly after personal power and influence>just the socially accepted way
>>97725566Accidental promethean who keeps stealing and releasing secrets to the world, be from guilds, church, or nobility, cannot foresee how revolutionary these really are, and and massively under-prices them in exchange of snacks.
>>97721028I find it hilarious how people go out of their way to show how much they hate "freakshit" races. I see it as just a way of acting out your repression and try to save face otherwise it's just a complicated masturbation ritual.That said, like many aspects of D&D, the nature of potential of Tiefling, Aasimar, and any other plane touched is left to rot on the vine.>>97725566Strong-fat eldritch warrior who takes after Black Beard and Baki's Musashi
>>97721028I personally think Tieflings fit more the true spirit of D&D than elves and dwarves. Elves and dwarves, have always felt out of place to me in D&D and feel so shalllow.
>>97721028I kiss her boots
>>97724536What's this from?
>>97725949Pathfinder's Tiefling variants.
>>97725862>any other plane touchedHave any of you guys ever encountered a genasi player? Do Modrons have sex?
>>97725883based
>>97725955>pathfinder mogs 5e yet againPathbros can we ever stop winning??
I treat Tiefling players only slightly better than I treat Gnomefags.Like I will tolerate your existence but I'm probably going to pretend I don't have a healing potion if you ask for one and the situation isn't dire.
>>97724823Aasimar have always been shit but I don't see why that's an issue. That's actually more mechanical choice for the player, which is a good thing. I'll agree they have no identity though, but that's because Aasimar are an aafterhought on behalf of WOTC. That and they tried to give the divine planetouched more of a visual identity and everyone got mad because they thought it was new shit to have them be furries when that's old as fuck shit.
>>97725566I've played one already. She was the eldest child of a human and a kitsune. Somewhere in her ancestry, her family made dark dealings that resulted in her being what she is (though visually she's more oni-like). She had a younger brother who ended up tagging along because he was the party's healer (using the sidekick rules), and was the one who knew the most about official proceedings within the party as well as the tard wrangler/straight man of the party considering some of the other characters present. Her reason for travel was to see the world before she was officially wrapped up in noble stuff, while she was gone her mother got poisoned by her uncle who was being manipulated by some sort of fiend or devil impersonating her aunt, which we killed, and then I retired the character to play the worst character I've ever played, mechanically or in terms of the character themselves.One notable moment that stuck with me was when we entered territory where the party's warforged (who didn't know his past and was a servant to an Archfey, being a warlock) was deemed a golem and my character had to, after a small bit of trying to argue he was a person, sign on to take responsibility for his actions as his "owner" while there. As soon as she finished the paperwork, she gave the warforged the thing signed to prove ownership and told him that he didn't belong to anyone and that he was a person.The character was also loosely based on Princess Shinken Red from Samurai Sentai Shinkenger, in terms of some design cues and the choice of Subrace.
They say Tiefling girls can do amazing things with their tails.
>>97721028They're my favorite and the only other Tiefling player I met was cool.
You know, diabolic ancestry drama aside, tieflings feel pretty flat. As half-elves did.No real culture, no kewl abilities, not even a particulary interesting aspect I would say.
>>97726409> No real cultureWell of course not, all the half-human-half-magical creature races are just dysfunctional humans:Tieflings are that one person who made “having a scummy, deadbeat parent” their entire identity Aasimar also are defined by their unhealthy relationship with a deadbeat parent, but their parent “bought” their affection by showing them with lavish gifts, so that relationship is more confused, but no less toxic.Half-elves are that spoiled rich kid that thinks having their parents tell them they will need to work for a living and not mooch off a trust fund makes their life “oh so tragic”. Half-Orcs either had an abusive parent, and that’s their whole identity; or act like they raised by abusive parent(s) because nobody’s going to take the half-orc who had a happy, stable upbringing seriously.And Dragonborn are that one guy who found out that their great, great grandfather immigrated from Sweden, and is desperately trying to make “Viking” their entire identity. Like, Dude! You’re from Wisconsin, you’re not fooling anyone!
>>97721028Tieflings were the first iteration of the idea that would eventually be used for Baldur's Gate with the Bhaalspawn. They were Asmodeus's myriad mortal bastards.
>>97721028They were cool when they were one-off expressions of distant demonic ancestry, but the modern version that breeds true and have an extensive population who are all just reddish dranei are lame.
>>97724331You need to be over 18 years of age to post here.
>>97725988While this was a few years down the line, Pathfinder was created for grognards who didn't want to switch from 3.5, so it's actually mogging 4e and 5e both. Sadly they don't have too many examples of these unique tieflings.
>>97724192why should I?
>>97724536damn you're dull
>>97726700Apparently I am just fucking wrong and that specific bit of lore came towards 4E.
>>97725566>Fagballs Mac Useless is a large fat Tiefling with three chins>His demon dad hates him because he's a pussy, his human mother hates him because he sexually explores household pets>He wears loose shapeless clothing to disguise his rippling folds, and insists he is a cute girl "on the inside" despite weighing over 300 lbs, and having a neckbeard.>He was transferred out of demon school because he was bullied, to a mortal school where he was bullied even worse>He badgered his dad into giving him a warlock pact in exchange for promising to never turn up at a family event drunk with a male escort ever again>His alignment is True Neutral because he has no abstract thinking skills at all, cannot really conceive of good, evil, law or order, and subsists purely by mooching off relations>When his parents ask him about his plans, he claims to be studying for an undergraduate degree in the history of Oerth.>has been "studying" for the same degree for a decade>He has nine Charisma, ten int, and eight WIS.>This works because he's one of those variant warlocks that casts from CON or something.>Y'know, Because he's fat.Done.
>>97726177I hereby present you with a preemptive (and retroactive in case of time travel) ban from anything I am in charge of, and a writ demanding you return to Tumblr, and stay there until you die.
>>97725566>Alright, tell me how (you) would play a Tiefling OCUsing this. Was posted over in the 5e general.
>>97726409That's a problem with D&D: every race is flat because they are designed to be as generic as possible.
>>97726901I garuntee I've been here longer than you faggot.
>>97727377Good. It lets the GM make their own lore so they don't have to use the utterly dogshit official settings (which are and always have been complete shit).What's the matter bitch boy? Can't write your own lore?
>>97721508Could you post your face with a timestamp please
>>97721438>4e - a valid inclusion, especially as the iconic race of infernal warlocks.You mean the moment they ceased to be interesting and exotic turning in colorswapped draenei without hooves? We have a wildly different meaning for the word "valid" me and you it seems.
>>97721028I don't allow them outside of Planescapes games. Nor Genasi nor Aasimar. I think I've written a 1-page primer for every game I've run in the last decade or two, and if it's D&D it includes a "PC Races" list. The way I run D&D (as 2nd Edition settings that are far less wacky than contemporary standard) doesn't really have room for planar races running around.But I don't have any problem w/ different tables being run differently from mine. It doesn't fit my games, is all.
>>97721028Tieflings as a race? Gay. People who play them? Also gay. Could've been a cool idea, but ruined by unimaginative, yet very emotive, fairies.
>>97721028>as a race2e tieflings are an interesting option in planescape themed campaigns, 3e tieflings are just dull (they were reintroduced as an afterthought with monolithic racial traits), 4e and thereafter are just brand Tieflings™ (standardized and, by such, easier for corposhit to register them as intellectual property) made specifically with that particular semblance to bandwwgon on WoW success (Draenei), in short slop for mongoloids.>playersI have absolutely no respect whatsoever with anyone picking tieflings, i can be forgiving if you started with 4e or 5e as your first d&d experience but if you came from 2e and find them acceptable as they currently are we're effectively sworn enemies, prepare to die if we ever met.
I'm thinking of flipping the script a bit. I'll have Tiefligns not to be rare. They are also mostly human-looking. They are also watched closely and sometimes tightly controlled. They are distrusted but too useful to ignore. Because their blood is very attuned to magic, a significant number of them become casters, even weak ones.
There have been probably too many edgy or goth style players who picked tieflings or drow by default, but otherwise they are a solid race and can be fun to roleplay, specially if one steers away from those stereotypes.>several phenotypes of tieflings in pic related from the 5.5 PHBBut not pictured are tieflings with normal human skin tones, which can be cool too.Also, does anyone know if the ghostly hand playing cards belongs to a ghost that happens to be at the table or perhaps it is a Mage Hand cast by the blue girl to the right?
>>97725566I define my character more by their class than their race. Being a tiefling just means one of his parents was a tiefling. It's not something to make a matter of. Tieflings are not special. They are common humanoids. There is nothing about them that is more notable than any elf or dwarf.
damn it must suck to be stuck with a system that's so bad it has a finite list of premade races.
>>97724536Where are the demon cat-women?
>>97725566I DM but I have a recurring Banite tiefling paladin NPC that my players have yet to kill. Currently she's gotten the players kicked out of their home town (for being hyper aggressive murder hobos who have brought dragons, orc attacks and a lich down onto their sleepy town.) She's an orphan who lived in the streets of baulders gate and faced starvation or prostitution but was saved by a Banite priest who was scooping up orphans to raise as bane worshiping zealots.
>>97725108Incorrect. Burning Crusade was released in Jan 2007, while the concept arting of the 4e Tieflings was still in progress in Spring 2007 (cite: https://williamoconnorstudios.blogspot.com/2017/09/the-cursed-folk-designing-tiefling.html ).
>>97723519>>97723538It's from the German "Tief," meaning "Low". Ignorant retards.
>>97728522You can't run a good game if your players can bring whatever random nonsense they want to the table. You sacrifice verisimilitude (internal consistency) of the setting.
>>97726679>And Dragonborn are that one guy who found out that their great, great grandfather immigrated from Sweden, and is desperately trying to make “Viking” their entire identity. Like, Dude! You’re from Wisconsin, you’re not fooling anyone!What the hell, I love dragonborns now.
>>97729738That doesn't actually countermand what he said.
>>97725640Stop posting my wife, coomer
>>97729871It does. Burning Crusade had the Draenei in it. Since it was released in Jan 2007, and the modern tiefling design was a 4e development still in development in Spring 2007, it is incorrect to say that it predates the reveal of the Draenei design.
>>97729782Homebrew races are the bane of good games tbph. I ask people to stick to vanilla for character creation, after that, I let them have fun after level 4 or so with custom spells and feats.TQ: The race is fine, the players are 90% of the time insufferable.
>>97730047>Homebrew races are the bane of good games tbph.Hard disagree. Can't stand the lazy useless trash WOTC puts out.
>>97730550Humans, Elves, Dwarves, what else do you need retard.
>>97730580Tails, horns, wings, big tits on a thin frame, lolis, and futa. Humans, dwarfs, and elves, don't fill those requirements. Adding tieflings, dragonborn, averiel, and gnomes fill them perfectly. That's why those are all necessary races.
>>97725566I played a Tiefling who was the result of the first generation of a line of Sorcs making a pact with a Faustian entity where in exchange for powers, every 3rd generation is cursed to be a Tiefling and have a constant, almost schizophrenic voice urging them to use their powers for evil which are stronger than usualIt makes more sense in the setting because everyone is a massive racist/speciesist so it's very dishonorabu for their family lineage
>>97730580Honestly, everyone on that list except for humans is tacked on to D&D. They don't belong to D&D. They are stolen concepts.
>>97730630Ok true demongirls are hot (pun not intended) and I also forgot hobbits, but that doesnt explain why you need "homebrewer" freakshit races. >>97730740Everything in D&D is just copypaste crap, Gary was a hack.
>>97729865>Like, Dude! You’re from Wisconsin,Nobody tell him.
>>97731356Ironic.
>>97730630So your gnomes are futa lolis?
>>97730775He copied it from what was being played in fantasy wargaming at the time. He didn't even copy it from Tolkien directly; the entire community had already stolen all of that ahead of time.
>>97723674You're 100% right. But if you're forced to play with retarded randos, then banning tieflings can filter some of the problem ones who're attracted to tieflings. Not 100%, but some. And if you do get lucky and make friends, then you can do away with the ban.
>>97725862>Strong-fat eldritch warrior who takes after Black Beard and Baki's MusashiThat's a lot of words to say you'd play a faggot.
The only non human my table accepts is the 5 ft 11 Halfling as the hilariously short version of a human.
>>97721028Most people here have adequately answered the question, so my question is why the fuck are there so many tieflings in DnD now? Like, the in-game in-universe explanation. Forgotten Realms, for example, tieflings were easily less than 1% of the population. But then 5e hits and suddenly 50%+ of the population are tieflings according to the art and playerbase. And they're all the product of unwanted unions! It creates this awkward (at least for WotC) lore implication that in the timeline somewhere between 3.5 and 5th that there was a mass demon rape event.
>>97732021iirc, they made them the descendants of some ancient empire that made a deal with some devils, so imagine if like everyone descended from the occupants of the Eastern Roman Empire was a tiefling. It's pretty lame.
>>97732021>Between 3.5 and 5E there was a massive demon rape event4th Edition was bad but I wouldn't call it a rape event.
>>97731611Fuck dude, you mean yours *aren't*? You need to get yourself pegged by a midget with a strap-on. It'll change your life. Yes, I'd play all day every day in a game with a bunch of loli tripods running around breeding men.
>>97731664>make friends,gay>>97732033>everyone descended from the occupants of the Eastern Roman Empire was a tiefling.As far as I'm concerned, everyone descended from the Eastern Roman Empire is a form of underworld demon, yes. I don't find that farfetched at all.
>>97723639Categorically false.
>>97725566That one purple haired dude from Slayers.
>>97732069Tiefling players are at least fun and interesting to have at the gaming table though.
>>97732090Elf players are usually fucking autistic lol
>>97732090Categorically false.
>>97732095Tiefling players are at least fellow gamers who we should treat with respect and welcome them, though, and not subhumans we should be shooting in the streets and loading onto trains to be incinerated at the same extermination camps we're going to use for liberals though, right?
>>97732106Categorically false.
>>97723639>>97732069>>97732090>>97732095>>97732106>>97732121Fucking samefag
>>97732138Categorically false.
>>97732066Letting the fujos win with thinking like that.
>>97729865> What the hell, I love dragonborns now.There is something endearing (in a cringey way) about watching what’s honestly a lizardfolk with a severe heartburn problem make a fool of themselves trying to embrace a draconic ancestry that’s so far removed it’s honestly funny.>>97731356Oh I know what I did there. That’s part of the joke. It may be where a lot of Scandinavian immigrants settled, but that’s so long ago that their descendants are really just a regional subculture of Americans with odd accents and novel traditions. And their original Scandinavian forebears are so far removed from Viking culture that they are pretty much a completely different culture, one with nearly a thousand more years of history tacked on. Yeah, Tommy Sphelt from Milwaukee is about as “Viking” as Danny Marino from Brooklyn is “Roman”
>>97728178Dude on the left is not only is holding a knife under the table but also left scratch marks from his nails on the table. Perhaps he is taking the game too seriously? Could also be gambling addiction or stakes being too high.>>97732021Art and playerbase most likely don't represent the whole. Player characters are by definition special, (much) above average and rare, while the art usually captures moments in specific communities or groups. Tieflings can still be less than 1% of the population and appear in groups or even villages like in Baldur's Gate 3.Also, AFAIK the producers didn't say they were the product of unwanted unions. 5e has clearly steered away from those waters and even 3.x didn't mention that too much.
>>97732138I think you're confused about what "samefagging" is, anon. Samefagging is when an anon responds to himself in order to either create a strawman or make it looks like he has support, as if multiple people are present in a conversation when only one person is posting. When one guy says the same shit over and over and is obviously the same guy saying it over and over, that's not "samefagging." It's tedious, but it isn't "samefagging."
>>97724536This is autistic categorization that goes against the base idea of the tiefling. While these are certainly cool examples of tieflings, the classic approach of a tiefling being from any of or all of these in the sense that they are plane-touched rather than descended, and that any tiefling may thus exhibit any of these traits is far better.
>>97724114I did read the rest of the post, it was irrelevant to what I said, projecting zoomfag.
>>97724362Then you lose the most powerful part of being planetouched, to the point where you're effectively not planetouched at all.That being said, everyone plays with LA Buyoff; +1 or even +2 Level Adjustment is a minor issue.
>>97724261You tickled my brain. Reframing the tragedy of having to come to terms with fiendish blood (which is not at all interesting as a character trait to anyone but the player) and making it everyone else's problem is good social commentary entirely by accident. Directed at the exact stereotype of tiefling players.
>>97725588In order to prevent further contagion. We have to assume much of it is also emanating from San Francisco, Portland, and all of south Asia. In the interest of the greater good, all of those places and people must be wiped out.
>>97726177Gay.
>>97727999Trops of troth chocked
I don't play 5e personally so I don't really deal with them or their players. I do think it's weird that they feature in so much of WotC artwork when the circumstances of their birth should in theory mean they are rare and last time I checked the lore most people in the official setting are by default wary of them. But again, since I don't play 5e I just don't feel all that strongly about them. They aren't a thing in my games.
>>97721266Just use the older editions Cambions. They are half demons who are almost always of evil alignment.
>>97733696Your terms are acceptable.
>>97733661I literally mentioned tieflings and the people who play them at the end of my post, so it's relevant to the thread.
>>97721028I don't play dungo dargons so why would I care about troonlings?
>>97733702Nah, I actually run and play games. real faggotry is being a nogames, because it means you're too busy sucking cock.
>>97733728>>97735801We know, you don't run or play games at all. You're just here to whine about 5e because it's popular.
>>97733683Ya, for sureI'd also have less contempt for Tiefling players if they were more open to being chased around with torches and pitchforks, I mean, that's the role they were born to play!It's the inevitable thematic consequence of being what they are.The ironic thing is these people often present themselves as roleplayers, then squander the Stirling opportunity to play an actually reviled outcast.
>>97733747Merlin is sometimes considered to be a Cambion, as in some myths he was begat upon a nun by a devil.Rare but also high profile neutral leaning good example.
>>97736815>If you don't play 5e then that must mean you don't play games at allThere are other games. I got my start with table top games playing VtM and only years later branched out to fantasy and sci-fi games. Expand your horizons nigga.
>>97736922This guy fucks.Maybe not women.Maybe not humans.But he fucks.
>>97736935LMAO!
>>97725883The odor of her feet after wearing those boots all day long must burn your nostrils like sulfuric acid.
The "classic" red demon with a pointy tail and pitchfork is a bit of a mashup that didn't fully solidify until the late Middle Ages and the Renaissance.If you went back to the earliest days of Christianity, you wouldn't find many horned, red-skinned villains. Early "demons" were often depicted as shadows, smoky figures, or even fallen angels who still looked relatively human, just... grumpier.The horns are likely the oldest part of the visual kit, but they weren't originally "evil." Historians generally point to Pan, the Greek god of the wild, and Cernunnos, the Celtic horned god. In Ancient Mesopotamia and Ancient Egypt, horns symbolized power, divinity, or fertility. Gods and spirits often had animal traits, including horns, but they weren’t “demons” in the later Christian sense. As the early Church sought to discourage pagan worship, they "demonized" the imagery of these nature deities. By the 11th century, artists began consistently adding goat-like horns and cloven hooves to represent the "bestial" and "uncivilized" nature of evil.The tail appeared around the same time as the horns (roughly the 10th–12th centuries). In medieval art, a tail was a shorthand way to say a being was "sub-human." It stripped away the divine image of man and replaced it with animal instinct. Initially, these were often bushy or leonine (like a lion). The thin, "spade-tipped" or "arrow" tail we see today became more popular much later, influenced by dragon iconography.Interestingly, for a long time, demons were more commonly black (representing darkness/death) or even blue/green (representing rotting flesh). The association with fire and brimstone eventually won out. By the time of Dante’s Inferno (14th century) and later Renaissance paintings, the fiery red palette became the standard for the inhabitants of Hell.
>>97737030Guy in the middle looks like he is about to challenge you to a dance off
>>97736882>if they were more open to being chased around with torches and pitchforks, I mean, that's the role they were born to play!God, yes, exactly this! Chase me around with pitchforks and torches, catch me, lock me in the stocks, and let every man in the village have their way with me. And if I don't make enough of them cum they're going to burn me at the stake, but the deciding vote is undecided, and so I get used again and again until it becomes clear that I'm just going to be the towns permanent sex pet and free use object and there's nothing I can do about it, so I just accept a submissive sexualized life forever. That's the sort of fantasy role playing I'm HERE for!
>>97733652why would a being influenced by planar energies exhibit any traits of their occupants? are you stupid?
>>97736922>sci-fi gamesCan you tell me about those?I've always been interested in giving them a try, but whenever I think I've finally found one, it just turns out to be another fantasy game in disguise.
>>97729305In india, sir. The raksasha are in Pathfinder India
>>97739567Someone I used to play with ran a Traveler game for about a month before scheduled conflicts killed it. Was ok. Long while back played a single shot of one of the official starwars games online, but that didn't turn out well since half the players involved didn't read the rules booklet until the day of the game so we barely got to play. And Tried Rogue Trader which was fun while it lasted, even if I was confused about mechanics half the time. Thing is half the people I played with really preferred wargaming and was just trying to recruit more people into their addiction, lol.
>>97742335>TravelerFantasy.>starwarsFantasy.>Rogue TraderFantasy.0 : 3
>>97742592What exactly do you think is sci-fi if traveler doesn't count to you?
>>97742869In order to not be fantasy (the faculty or activity of imagining things, especially things that are impossible or improbable), a work would have to be in the realm of plausibly possible or probable fiction, and pertain to science (the systematic study of the [fictional yet reasonably plausible] physical and natural world through observation and experiment).To call something different from fantasy is to heavily imply it is different from fantasy, and thus science fiction would need to be diametrically opposed to fantasy in order to deserve a different name.Otherwise, it's just fantasy.
Trying to re-imagine the nature of Outsider races in D&D. In this particular case I have it so Devils were previously Celestials who decided to go their own way but I'm having trouble coming up with a good explanation for why they act the way they do.One idea I'm going with is that those Celestials who would become Devils did so because having your foot into the Evil access is better than leaving it entirely to Demons as, in my conception of the cosmology, Law/Chaos are more important than the Good/Evil aspect and this fact is purposely kept secret and purposefully forgotten to allow mortals to drift one way or the other more naturally
>>97721280Niggers unironically see themselves in orcs just like Jews see themselves in fucking Tyranids of all things.
>>97725566Gigantic sumo build murderchad with an oni mask like the Shugoki from For Honor who wants to become stronger than his demon sire and tear him limb from limb.So basically Baki but with a jacked fatass strongman.
>>97721028Depends on how they're made. Last time I played a tiefling warlock, I backstoried he was a demon rape-baby, who's patron was the rival of his father just to spite him. He adventured not because he was good, but because he wanted to kill his old man and take his place.
>>97737030Interesting. How viable is to refluff Tieflings a bit by making them more Satyr/Faun adjacent, not necessarily the same race/species but maybe cousins?
>>97744089>daddy issues: the characterI hate to break you the news anon but your character is quite the epitome of what made modern tieflings annoying. Maybe you played it more leaning on Dante from devil may cry or something else as genuinely entertaining and less teen edgy but on the grand scheme of things you inadvertently solidified that particular archetype of angst teenager edgelord oc.
In our world, the word Tiefling is a modern invention. It was created by game designer Wolfgang Baur for the Dungeons & Dragons "Planescape" setting in 1994.The etymology he used was a blend of:German: tief (meaning "deep" or "low").The suffix -ling (meaning "descendant of" or "associated with," as in earthling or changeling).Literally, it implies "one from the depths" or "lowly one."
>>97743031By that rather dumb standard there are no sci-fi/non-fantasy table top games since all tabletop games require imagination. Also there would be no such thing as sci-fi as a literary or film genre ether. In otherwords your nonsense is non-functional.
>>97743790Nah, I bet it's white SJWs telling them that all the way down. I kinda feel bad for blacks, because they're so steeped in that sort of civil rights era solidarity talk they have to endure humiliations like that buckbreaking guy and being told they look and act like orcs just to avoid rocking the boat
>>97744292Don't blame me because I know what words mean. I'm not a mouthbreather who mindlessly follows trends created by scammers who wanted to stand out in a saturated market.
>>97745341>makes up their own definition that excludes the very concept of sci-fi on a first principle level>claims to know what words meanYou are very [i]special[/i] it seems.
>>97721052Kek
>>97745341no, you're making up a definition from bizarre context clues.Fantasy and SciFi are genre names, they imply a series of tropes and expectations related to those genres. It's not about the word itself, it's about how it's used. When someone says "americana" they don't mean every single thing that exists in the american continent, they mean a particular vibe of a particular time in the US.
>>97721028I think [opening statement referring to species as mean jargon to give away opinion] are [commonly used phrase to indicate childishness or small mindedness].That [nickname for players of said race indicating sociopolitical wrongness] are [statement of being, that is seen as un-rugged or non-dominant] and [leading statement about how players of said race are inferiors].[Optional statement about how this poster would win or does win, a verbal or physical altercation with players of said race].[Optional contradictory closing remark intended to demonstrate how this poster is above players of said race and holds no emotional baggage about them, while also indicating them to be undesirable inferiors].[Optional statement about players of said race being a unified and bitter enemy of true hobbyists].[Desperate plea for positive attention/responses/confirmation, disguised as an open ended question as to if any other posters share the opinions above].
>>97725566Obliviously earnest Paladin. 8 int. 20 Cha. Great big horns[/spoile] has no idea why her wielding a Trident amuses the Rogue.
>>97721028>What are your thoughts on tieflings as a raceSo, sticking to D&D for this because Pathfinder is a complete writeoff as a game to me. (Disproportionately degenerate playerbase with an obsession of furry races as well as the Paizo writers having their own fixations on creating fetishistic monsters and other stuff like the CSAM Demon Lord Folca.)Tieflings IMO started off as the stand-in option for people who end up playing the stereotype half-demon (That one 13 year old kid playing a Barbarian Half-Demon/Half-Angel/Half-Undead Demigod at level 1 but they never outgrew that phase). They managed to step out of this mold as time went on, where I believe they peaked in Planescape due to the inherent variability and ugliness they were capable of portraying. The Planescape Tiefling feature randomisation tables I still hold as the peak of Tiefling design; you could have someone that just doesn't have a shadow or someone that has multiple contrasting deformities, as opposed to 4e's design choice of unifying their aesthetics to the same heavy brow-horns, red skin and prehensile tail and 5e's emergent design trend of pastel skin coloured fiend baddies that look like they'd ruin your life if you put it in them. Aesthetically I dislike 4e's representation and I loathe 5e's because they're all ideal representations; as a general rule I also dislike characters at the table or in online games that trend towards 'perfection'; if you're going to be physically gorgeous I expect that to be offset by your personality being rancid or something else 'wrong' with your character.
>>97749592>and the players who play them?I've never had any problems stemming from people at the table in my games. Where I have encountered problems are from people playing Tieflings in online games not explicitly TTRPGs; Neverwinter Nights 1 and 2 to name them. I've played Tieflings on NWN and I usually design them to specifically evoke a specific type of Fiend; one example being a Babau-spawn that had a single crooked horn arching out the back of their head. By comparison the majority of people I've encountered playing Tieflings in NWN have tended to represent them as unambiguously physically attractive, often overly flirty and socially adroit while also expecting to be permitted within almost any social gathering. There's only one server I know of where this isn't the case (Ravenloft, where they often get shot on sight in the largest area of the server) but even Tieflings choosing to operate in that region do everything humanly possible to present themselves as just regular people even in the face of probable mutilation if not execution.If you're Jewish operating in the Third Reich you're not going to walk around expecting people to treat you like other Germans. You're going to duck, hide and do whatever you can to avoid notice because there's direct consequences to fucking up. In Planescape it makes total sense for a Sigillian to not give a shit about Tieflings because there's a literal Fiend operating a market stall ten feet away so a Tiefling is a non-factor. In other settings however it only serves to break immersion in the setting to pretend otherwise.I can't say I've noticed the players of Tieflings on those NWN servers as being explicitly more likely to act negatively on an OOC basis; most of my gripes are with their insistence on how they operate IC and how others interact with them in turn.
>>97724327This.Never, ever, not even once, met a player with tiefling PC. I've got six different meme firbolgs thanks to Critical Role, but never a fucking tiefling. And I've started with 4th ed, which was supposedly the peak of tiefling popularity.
>>97721028I like Annah-of-the-Shadows and the twins from Kingmaker. Beyond that, I'm pretty ambivalent.
>>97749738To be fair, a number of players didn't really like the 4e design change.
>>97721052I have never seen good Tiefling porn unfortunately.
>>97724192You can fluff your aasimar however you want. You want them to smell like incense and have bronze skin and be upset they could never have a normal life because of it? You can. Want an imposter syndrome aasimar who is paranoid about living in a bubble and people trusting them for no reason because of their heritage? You can do it. Want a lawful evil sociopath aasimar who thinks their divine heritage gives them the right to torture prostitutes to death off screen as a pass time? You can do it. They are literally the same as tieflings just on the celestial side.
>>97750637>3 somewhat interesting assimar character concepts in one postHey, I'll take it.
>>97750637>lawful evil sociopath aasimar who thinks their divine heritage gives them the right to torture prostitutes to death off screen as a pass timeisn't this just the aasimar from wrath of righteous?
>>97750675Not really? He's your basic catty rich bitch, only he got an evil entity stuck to his soul that gleefully murders people, particularly anyone who figures out that it's there.
>>97749738>Never, ever, not even once, met a player with tiefling PCWere it not for my current campaign, I'd be right there with you. I just don't think people play tieflings in anywhere near the regularity that the internet thinks they do. It's a made up problem.>current campaign is a low power AD&D 2e game where the DM has some massive, 300+ entry custom reincarnation table. So the priest managed to not fuck up at reading a 1-shot high level reincarnation scroll, and one guys very dead dwarf fighter got reincarnated out of the tentacles of an Otyugh and into the body of a goat legged female tiefling with no reflection whose smell is both addictive and causes unease in civilized humanoids.>He varies between driven to get his body back, actively suicidal but won't die to dwarf ancestor religion considering it the worst sin of all, and morose drunken acceptance broken only by beating in the faces of any monsterfuckers the party wanders across>all in all, have tiefling in party, can't complain too hard. Don't like the way she smells tho
>>97750637>fluffWill not compensate for the bland mechanics
>>97754486NTA but what races have compelling mechanics by comparison, without being so radically overpowering that most people feel the need to nerf or ban them at the table?
>>97721052fpbp
>>97725566lawful evil inhuman fighter male. a brutal and vicious enforcer of the law
>>97721028its a very stupid race and i never knew anyone who played one in real life. really, a devil creature
>>97754629My last 5E campaign I was a storm Genasi (homebrew) with shocking hands as a cantrip and someone complained that was too much. I think the drive for balance has stripped a lot of flavor away. But I think anon is talking about something like a d100 table of Tiefling stuff, which desu I don't really understand because the vast majority of people who look at those tables just picked what they wanted off them and you could do exactly that in 5E.But then again, that's the problem with 5E in general, any mechanical flavor is usually something you have to add yourself.
>>97754629arakokra
Objectively demon-blooded spawn that should be put to the torch. It's the orc babies all over again. Allowing a Tiefling into your village is no different than tempting demons to enter your village. Half-Elves are already discriminated against, Tieflings would never be accepted as they are, period.
>>97729780Good, now where does the word “thief” come from genius.
>>97756021>I think the drive for balance has stripped a lot of flavor away.My personal gripe is that now you can just choose your form as aasimar on the fly and that determines your damage typeIt's a concession to balance that just sucks out all the flavor
>>97756021They explicitly stated that the Aasimar fluff is invalidated by bland mechanics as their opinion; the d100 table of Tiefling randomised features is also fluff, not a mechanical system.Storm Genasi with Shocking Hands isn't even competitive; I'll assume you were playing 5e which has other racial mechanics such as Tabaxi and Aarakocra that are head and shoulders above most of the other mechanical features of other races. Anyone that wants to prod at D&D in general in pursuit of balance is kind of approaching from flawed principles; D&D has never been balanced and never will be. I'd argue no TTRPG can truly achieve perfect balance and it's antithetical to a roleplaying game to care overly much about the balancing mechanics at play. As long as the rules and mechanics enable compelling narratives and play at the table, that's all I care about.>>97756119There's five races with flight speed as a default, I'm assuming that's what you're gauging as a 'compelling' mechanic; one that most sane DMs will either add qualifiers to or simply ban if they're playing from level 1. The effort of redesigning encounters so that the flying player doesn't entirely invalidate or side-step them while also not making that player feel like you're singling them out and targetting them just isn't worth it IMO.
The only time I played a Tiefling character was the first time I really played D&D. Was a Paladin that had 16 Wisdom for some stupid reason. I don’t think he even made it to level 4, while campaign went on permanent hiatus.
>>97721028sex with Tieflings
>>97721028Tieflings are for people who want to play a character that they know SHOULD be facing oppression and prejudice, but isn't, so they can feel good about pretending to be in a world without racism.
>>97762210literally the whole point of playing a tiefling is to get to engage in being the victim of racism without touching real life idpol. Tieflings are absolutely the targets of racism in every bit of dnd media they are in, including the most recent big budget DND movie and baldurs Gate 3. you said something that is the actual opposite of true
>>97758080Yea, committing to a draw back is what adds flavor to something. I liked 3.5s simple rules for monstrous races, where you pay XP for monster levels so a level 2 Minotaur fighter is actually level 6 for example. what races are allowed to budget for power in 5E is extremely small, so there isn't really a lot you can do to mechanically differentiate them without being busted. there feels no middle ground between elf (has darkvision and doesn't sleep yipee!) and tortle with 25 AC
