>So what's the antagonist's motive?>He's evil>Why?>Because he's evil
>>97726118>he's evil because it's amusing
What is evil?
>>97726144Based
>>97726118Good motive. It accurately explains why he does what he does and why we should oppose him.
>>97726118Based. Being aware of and true to one's nature is the height of being. That being said, you posted the wrong image or that. Slaves to darkness tend not to have such self awareness, hence the slave part.
>>97726118That's how it goes in real life though.
>>97726283Orkz have even less motive than CSM. At least CSM can whine that the Emperor was mean to them 10000 years ago. Orkz just like fighting.
>>97726298>motive Go back and read OP, realize they missed the bus and maybe you can catch up. Its short.
>>97727002Sorry I should have clarified: The game is a dnd clone called Thunderpike .67. If you're not familiar, it's identical to 5e except the primary resolution mechanic is paying money to the eternal anglo
>>97726283For Orkz, the current 40k Galaxy is already heaven for them. They basically devolved into a shadow of what their ancestors were capable of just to give everyone else a chance and keep things fun.
>>97726118>So what's the antagonist's motive?>He's evil>Why?Because they’re an entitled, shortsighted, emotionally stunted, spoiled toddler who has never been given boundaries or consequences as a child and at this point it’s years too late to start teaching them such basic things.
>>97726118When I first watched Naruto I didn't like Orochimaru. After a bazillion villains with tragic backstories; I changed my mind. Sometimes having a villain who is nothing but a massive dick that just wants to live forever, rule over everyone, know everything or be the most powerful thing in existence; is enough. >tzeenchians wants to know everything>slaaneshis want to experience everything>nurglites want to live forever>khornites want to be the strongest>all of them want to rule over everyone elsePerfect villains. I'd take them over a hundred other villains that were abused as children or betrayed by their friends or lost someone important to them through some tragedy. Give me some villains that aren't just broken children unable to come to terms with their past who lash out viciously; give me real villains that want some grand prize for themselves and are out there trying to secure it.
>>97727002Are you ever going to play them, instead of being a bitch? Kek.
>>97726118Yes, and?
>>97726118He made faustian bargain for power
>>97727957Thousand Sons Chaos Space Marines vs. Necrons who wins in Warhammer 40K Dawn of War video game?
>>97726283Imagine being a Space Marine and losing to the comic relief retard race.
>>97728026>comic relief retard raceThe players?
>>97727043Maybe tone it back a little?
>>97726173This webm is woefully ironic to the point I have to wonder if the creator actually watched S2, or if he made this to bait posters like (you) into exposing their tourism by reposting it.
>>97726118But gayoss is always coping and redditoring over how they're just misunderstood antiheroes.
>>97726118Yes, that's a sufficient enough motivation to be evil. Life is not that complex that everything needs a "complex" reason to do things.
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>>97726118>Implying there is any "why" after "he's evil">Implying I or my player need "why">Or even "evil" in the first place.
>>97726118It's a game, and you're going to be fighting the antagonist, regardless of some windows dressing.
>>97726118https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97542254/
>>97726118neutral evil survival mode makes great villains. they're only doing what they had to - they say, while they melt down a peasant village into blood soup for a .00001% stat boost instead of making friends, making weapons, or getting over it.
>>97731138>while they melt down a peasant village into blood soup for a .00001% stat boostAh, I see you're familiar with the ways of Cultivation!
>>97731138I'm fond of "in too deep to quit" kind of tyranny, stuck in the routine of oppressing the subjects because it's the only way they know how to handle things. If there have been attemps to try otherwise they've all turned for worse - think Romanov dynasty.
>>97726118>Posts a guy who's evil because his soul is enslaved by evil godsPitiful
>>97731138>shill 6 billion trannies imageOh boy, I already know this post is gonna be peak retard>dnd alignmentslopAyep, peak retard
>>97727043So just a woman?
>>97726118>t. The Raped
It's a game, and you're going to be fighting the antagonist, regardless of some windows dressing.
>>97726118Just being evil for the sake of being evil is refreshing these days, it seems everyone wants their villains to have sympathetic qualities or redeeming arc, now I ain't against having a villain having more goals in his life than just being evil but if everyone doing it then it becomes boring >>97731907I'm fond of that trope as well as it a good way to explain why they do it at times. I'm also fond of those who were purposefully born/made just to be evil to bring a balance to the world trope, their whole life has been staged and scripted to just be evil because some bored gods felt there was to much goodness in the world even though they know dozens of their followers are going to get butchered in the process and might even be their own downfall as the evil lord goes off the script and starts killing gods because that what evil niggas do
>>97726173>One does villainy because he's a sadistic cunt>The other is just trolling for the love of the game
>>97726118>Why do you evil thing>I like it, it's funGrey morality is a psyop by evil people to make you think they're not evil. If evil doesn't exist then how could they be evil?
>>97733839Or the average 4chan poster.
>>97736025>because he's a sadistic cuntYou didn't even watch the series, tourist
>>97735933I feel the same way, in their pathological need to subvert expectations, they have made the subversion the expectation. They believe one note villains can't be done well, when there are several examples of villains that are just outright bastards because that's just how they are, that are beloved. Darkseid is a prime example, motherfucker isn't a well intentioned extremist or anything like that, he's the personification of the concept of tyranny, and that's all the motivation he needs.
>>97726118>Because he's evilBased.Good story writers dont make their evil PoS bad guy a relatable pussy with a childhood abuse back story to make you sympathise with him. Im sick to my back teeth of these inside out story archs where the bad guy is actually the oppressed minority taking down the patriarchy or whatever flavour of the month marxist horseshit they're trying to shove down our throats this time.The bad guys are fucking evil, and they're still cool to play as and collect and paint, get over it faggot.
>>97736404>They believe one note villains can't be done wellIt's more malicious than that, honestly. A flat-out villainous villain or heroic hero is directly antithetical to their religion of moral relativism. To make an objectively and explicitly evil/good character is as blasphemous to the modern libtard hollywood type as asking a Christian to portray Jesus as a tranny or a Muslim to depict Mohammad at all.
>>97732745It's a comic with plenty interesting ideas but no compelling story to tie it all together. It would have been better as a series of short stories that reveal the character of the world rather than a single epic about some sorority girl.
>>97742611Instead we have you crying that someone insulted the God Emperor.
>>97726144What is the sauce for these Chinese puppet shows? Looks like fun.
>>97743649Quit your bitching that somebody doesn't worship your Dear Leader.
>>97742600Obsessed lmao
>>97743607Thunderbolt Fantasy is one of them. Its an entire genre.
>>97742611trvthnvke!!!
>>97742600YWNBAW :3
If 40k antagonists were 'evil because evil' like in fantasy, it would be a lot better. Instead you get a lot of daddy issues and whining about how it's not fair and the emperor is mean.
>>977262982015 was so fucking long ago holy shit. This has more in common with 2008 /tg/ than current /tg/, despite 2008 being 7 years earlier. Why is this board so gay, shitposty and anti-fun now. Especially that one cocksucker who always whines all 40k stuff should be in the general.
>>97743869Changing Necrons into Space Tomb Kings was the first step onto the slippery slope.If I could go back in time and undo one change made to 40k lore it would be that. It led to all the others.
>>97744040Not really, you'd have to go back in time and kill whoever had the idea for the Horus Heresy novels/sub-setting, as that had way longer lasting negative impact on 40K than space skellies changing up their lore. You'd also have to kill ADB and Mike Brooks and every other corpo-worshipping libtard like them to stop them from self-inserting onto Abbaddon and turning him into a whiny (((anti-hero))) with multi-generational daddy issues. Which basically means wiping out the entire BL author stable with very few exceptions.
>>97743881>Why is this board so gay, shitposty and anti-fun now./v/. Being the most popular set of boards meant the overwhelming majority of newfags assumed that all of 4chan was the same and the point of the site was to be a bitter, whiny cunt who hates everything.
>>97745657/v/ didn't run quests and drawfags off this board, (you) did that all on your own
>>97745698Drawfags getting run off was a result of /v/'s no fun allowed mentality leaking out. Quests literally got their own board with unique capabilities to improve running and participation in quests, and they have never stopped bitching about it to this day.
>>97745732>[thing i dont like] deserved it because i didnt like it!Congratulations, you were the /v/tard ruining /tg/ all along
>>97745777What the fuck are you on about?
>>97736446>I need the world to be simple because im an idiot with the moral reasoning ability of a toddlerI guess some people never outgrow their power rangers morality phase.>>97726118I prefer realistic motivation that isnt so much intrinsically evil so much as the goals of those involved are at odds with the "heroes". Its a much more mature and nuanced take on morality than>hurr bad guys bad just because durr
>>97726118"WHEN I AM KING OF ENGLAND, NO-ONE WILL EVERY DARE CALL ME 'SHORTY GREASY SPOT-SPOT AGAIN!"
>>97726118>He's evilBased>Why?Who cares? This isn't Marvel, we're not trying to make a Loki for brainless twats to fangirl over, the prupose of a villain is to be defeated.
>>97726118When in doubt, Love.Perfect motive. Literally can't fail.
You fallacious fools be like:>nooo, I'm ackshually using the powers from these emotion-feed aliens to defeat the tyrant emperor and free mankind!! There are no 'gods'! All these broken eggs are just for the greater good! History will avenge me!Meanwhile I'm like:>Singing, "Oh, Chaos, this Realm was made for us">Singing, "Oh, Chaos, this sinful life just ain't enough">So we'll burn an orphanage>Cause we love Your patronage>Rip a heart to join ourt side!
I thought chaos space marines are either stunted child soldiers who fell in with the wrong crowd after never really being taught right from wrong and impulse control or otherwise are generally ambitious men who think they can make use of malevolent forces to accomplish good in their world only to end up corrupted as acquiring power to do good quickly becomes acquiring power for powers sakeyou could say this is just being evil for the sake of being evil at some point, but people in the real world do try to use demons to do their will for the betterment of themselves or others, and many of those people don't even believe demons are good, and people do attempt this, regardless of whether or not you have any affect on the worldits totally realistic and explainable, even outside the individuals who are just genuinely evil coz lol
>>97738771I feel like you can have a villain who has an understandable motive or even sympathetic starting point while also flat out being irredeemably evil insofar as one can be irredeemable(in a Christian setting, arguably anyone truly repentant is deserving of redemption)Its like a bear killing people because humans kept feeding it and it lost its fear of people and it got hungry and ate a person and now it won't stop killing people. Sure, there's something sad there, and there's maybe some reasoning as to how exactly it got there, but none of that matters anymore. Its shedding the blood of your kin and YOU must stop it, and it should face consequences on this plane for the debt its accrued.I do agree with what you're saying though about how a one note villain is blasphemous to a shitlib, but they do make exceptions to that rule in portraying white male villains to be fair
>>97749573Many sociopaths have awful or neglectful childhoods. In fact, sociopathy is often a survival strategy that develops when you grow up in an environment where their emotions are used against you as a child (and you have right "warrior" genes), or where the "caregivers" are the primary source of pain. The developing brain learns that these emotions of love and trust are high-risk/low-reward. The brain can make a radical executive decision: It shuts down the input. They become experts at reading others' intentions (cognitive empathy) because their survival once depended on predicting an abuser's next move. When child is abused or neglected, it can end up with their brain "pruning" the neural pathways responsible for bonding and guilt to protect itself from the pain. The low or lack of empathy is a defence mechanism. This condition is more common than most people think. In the corporate and criminal world this is often as high as 10-20%. It should be noted, however, that most never resort to violence and are pro-social/functional, even if they are prone to lawbreaking, liying, manipulation, risk-taking, and chronically bored.
>>97749573>but they do make exceptions to that rule in portraying white male villains to be fairEven then the white man must be as ineffectual and powerless and as much of a joke as possible so that you can signal how much you disagree with what he represents because A. Wyatt Mann MUST be a contemptible strawman in fear of anyone accidentally liking him and agreeing with his philosophy (this tends to happen anyways).And 90% of the time he's either the pawn of a sympathetic and redeemable diverse girlboss villain or his only source of strength is a sympathetic and redeemable diverse girlboss minion that the protagonist converts in the final act.
>>97727565You haven't read a single bit of primary material.
>>97726156Selfishness + doing harm because you want to do harmLike sadism but to people who don't want a beating
>>97751210Interestingly, pain and pleasure brain pathways are quite close together.
Psychopaths and sociopaths are rarely sadists. To be sadist, you need high cognitive empathy. They need to "feel" your pain for them to enjoy it. Their cruelty is the goal. They don't necessarily want your wallet; they want your distress. They derive an "appetitive" pleasure (a rewarding "high") from the suffering of others.For Sociopaths/Psychopaths their cruelty is usually a tool. They hurt or manipulate others to get something they want: money, sex, power, or just to get an obstacle out of the way. If they could get what they wanted without effort or violence, they often would, because they are essentially pragmatic and "cold." Most people with ASPD are simply indifferent to your feelings; they aren't necessarily "cheering" for your pain. The truly sadistic sociopath, the one who seeks out suffering for the "rush", is a much smaller, more dangerous subset of the population. A standard sociopath might hurt someone because they're angry or want their money, but they often lack the "patience" or the "social accuracy" to be a true, high-level psychological sadist. They’re too busy reacting to their own internal chaos.You are more likely to encounter a "sadist" who isn't a "sociopath." Everyday Sadism, where individuals enjoy small-scale cruelty, like internet trolling, "accidental" humilation of colleagues, or even choosing to watch violent media specifically for the gore, without necessarily having the impulsive, rule-breaking lifestyle of a sociopath.
>>97726144ONORE
>>97744040exactly, Matt Ward basically set the first stone in motion that created nu40gay
>>97728118Their only mistake is attributing it to lack of education, most evil people just came off the factory line broken
>>97726118Retards that believe in concepts like "good" and "evil" have no fucking clue what actually motivates people, including themselves.
>>97726118There is absolutely nothing wrong with a villain who likes doing evil shit for its own sake.
>>97726298You limit yourself to a human perspective. Solipsism is a sign of low IQ
>>97767879Destiny clownsuit lookin mf
>>97726118Cuz
