Vanilla Ice EditionPrevious: >>97718200>Most recent banlist updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.comhttps://www.pdhrec.com>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM (embed)>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: Have you ever seen a turtle in your game?
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>97727975>2 mana blink with removalI hate power creep
>>97727975>Have you ever seen a turtle in your game?No,my LGS doesn't even stock the cards. The owner bought got two pre-release kits from another store because only two people signed up for the prerelease and he didn't want to buy a box and have dead stock. It ended up as just another commander night but with two guys using half a table to play.Apparently one of the packs didn't have any rares at all? It seemed bad
>>97728038>Sorcery speedIt's shit.
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rules q/greentext>guy wins on turn 5 combo with some partner commanders, wastes everyone's time because the first three turns we did pass go basically>2nd game, everyone is playing higher power decks, he's playing edhrec slop arcades >casts pic rel when I go to remove his commander and exiles his 8 walls, mana dork, commander etc>he'll draw 8 when they etb>cast discontinuity on my end step, when pic rel's trigger happens>permanently exile his commander and big hittersguy was crashing out hard and arguing that it's not a trigger
>>97728206That's a delayed trigger so it's absolutely fine
>>97728132It's funny seeing people play standard now, there are so many legends playing that people can get legendary flooded, like you have 3 Momo's in hand and you lose lmao
>>97728244That’s not even all Legendaries it’s just cards legal as commander
>>97728132Damn FF had 100 legends? That's a 100 more recognizable and profitable characters than mtg has!
>>97727975>TQYes
>>97728262Come up with better bait
ngl I was enjoying the thread way more when funposting about custom cards of external IPs so let's keep it goingactual TQ:>post what Universes Beyond you want to see and speculate about the cards in that set
>>97728266I was posting without malice
>>97727975>TQ: Have you ever seen a turtle in your game?The only turtle I run is a tortoise. WotC please fix this now.
>>97728313Hate that I can tell that both sides of the post it note were written by the same guy.He changed his T and slightly condensed his As but he does his Ns like Us and his Cs havr a little downward hook at the top
>>97728310>hey guys can we go back to screaming tard fights over UB while I jerk myself off about how much I hate Magic?Uh…no.
>>97728356Every thread about custom UB cards are peaceful, them's just facts
>>97728362Should probably make a thread for that then instead of trying to co-opt the /edhg/ thread then
I need a new commander for a pod that uses optimized, but severely underpowered decks (think goodstuff piles, but too weak for bracket 3).I like consistency, don't care much about winning in that pod, and dislike playing too many spells per turn and holding up the game. All my favorite commanders are too strong for the pod. Can't even play budget reanimator or budget aristocrats without wiping the floor with them.Post your me favorite casual/pet commanders I guess.
>Dandan secret lair sells out in minutes>Immediately thrown back up on the secondary markets for over 200I'm taking the proxypill. If Wotc wants to leave money on the table I'll go to where I can get it
>>97728380If you can make Feather Radiant Arbiter auras playable then let me know
>>97728132Anyone else think it’s kind of interesting that Final Fantashit standard has 100 cards that can be your commander and I’ve only ever seen like 3 of them played? And honestly I can’t even tell you with certainty that the ones I’ve seen played were from the standard set and not the commander set
>>97728399I don't understand where all the buyers come from. I bought it on a whim for 100$ thinking people would barely want it at THAT price, but people are really shelling out 2-300$ for this to scalpers? People are crazy. It's a two player unofficial format, there is literally no downside to proxying it.
>>97728399>why does a game based on artificial scarcity like mtg have deadweight loss guys help i didnt get econ 101
>>97728425Absolutely fucking absurd it was priced at 100 dollars to begin with this was a 50 dollar product MAX. none of the cards beyond mystic sanctuary see play anywhere outside of this two player boardgame it's like charging 100 dollars for an uno deck
>>97728435Scalper or retard. Call it.
TRVTH NVKE:If you buy Secret Lairs or any FOMO bullshit you deserve to get scalped and you deserve to have a WotC employee personally hammer sewing needles into your urethra
>>97728453>already plays for free>still mad at what does wotc anywayLol
>>97728399How are they leaving money on the table? They sold out of their product.
>>97728462Truth Nuke:Anyone complaining about the price of cardboard is an idiot, and the price of cardboard is the primary justifacation for bad players who build shit decks to complain about the power of cardboard because they cant use things they know are good, but still want to feel good by minimizing everyone who does.
>>97728470They could have made way more if they just sold it as a game night like product
>>97728468Except I've put well over ten thousand dollars into this game
>>97728450You're forgetting this is the company that tries to sell 2 copies each of 5 basics for 40 fucking dollars. Compared to that this was basically a steal for 20 islands.
>>97728484>already put 10 grand on fine luxury cardboard rectangles without issue>wait they're selling dandan for profit? This is my line in the sand man after all this time I'm totally going to call out wotc nowKek
>>97728462Honestly it isn't really even FOMO at this point, like 90% of SLD just straight up double in cost from what WotC sells them at. It's more like fear of paying double for stuff you want.
>>97728477Why would that make more than they did of any other SLD item?SLD has always been limited runs. Sorry you didn't get one in time before capitalism took over, they aren't going to change how their entire SLD system works just because you didn't get one, you aren't that important.
>>97728513>stuff you want.Have you considered wanting less, fat piggy?
>>97728516>SLD has always been limited runsIt literally hasn’t, it used to be print to order.I think SLDs are for fat retards with no impulse control, but when you’re wrong you’re wrong
>>97728525>piggyHave you considered not being poor?
>>97728501>It's supposed to be expensive >Erm you don't even put money in this game>WTF why are you putting so much money in this game?!?Terrible trolling I'm getting whiplash from how quickly and suddenly these goal posts shift
>>97728334>>97727975I have a TNMT deck but I don't have any turtles in it because they are actually tortoises.
>>97728533>thinking "WTF why are you putting so much money in this game?!?" was what i was sayingHoly reading comprehension
>>97728516>It was always like thisExcept it litterally wasn't how long have you been playing this game?
>>97728531>the only way to not want to spend is to have no moneyGood job confirming that you are no-impulse-control piggy
>>97728525No, I can afford and SLD or two a month without making even the slightest dent in my income. Thanks to the absolutely price-gouged secondary market a lot of SLDs are actually value buys if you plan on using the cards in them. The recent Prosper pack was less expensive than buying all the cards in it as singles. I've been buying 40-60$ games for two decades at this point, usually at a rate of about 1 every 3 months, and that's before I got a good job. Why would I care about this?
>>97728535I used to think that but in fact the box turtle looks exactly like a fucking tortoise
>>97728539Could you at least settle on a single stance or style of trolling?
>>97728542>he's mad about things other people doGood job confirming you're a retardWhat's next you're going to call out what people say anonymously online in their own home? Lmao
>>97728409HATE auras
>>97728555nta, but getting mad at what other people and forcing them to be less ape-like is is the cornerstone of civilization
>>97728549>I can afford and SLD or two a month without making even the slightest dent in my incomeSee >>97728542you people are literally all the same. No self-control. You never question why you want something or whether it really matters, you feel that primal urge to obtain, check your bank account, and think the fact you CAN buy it means you SHOULD.Guaranteed the pair of you are obese because you apply the same logic to buying food
>>97728555Where am I mad? Disgusted, perhaps. But you’re projecting rage onto me because you think it invalidates criticism of you which is so painfully accurate that you feel compelled to lash out against it
>>97728563>No self-controlSelf control about what? I don't buy every secret lair, just the ones I like, what exactly is your argument here? People are only allowed to crack packs? Buy singles? What, in your deluded mind, is an acceptable way to acquire cards you want to play with? I'm genuinely curious.
>>97728572For me? It's gaslighting all my coworkers into mtg and just trading for all the cards I want outta what they buy
>>97728572SLD is inherently an exercise in FOMO and your life will not be any different if you don’t get what you “want”Coming to 4channel of all places to cry about not getting your super special limited print cards instead of just brushing it off and not caring is the problem here.
>>97728565I can assure you that you are in fact mad at piggies for changing your game into a UB fiesta, sorry but money talks
>>97728554Could you at least not be dumb though? Thanks lol
>>97728582Dangerously based.>>97728583I think you're confusing me with someone else. I never complained about not getting any SLDs, I've had no trouble getting the 7 or so I've bought so far.
Post decks without UB, thanks
>>97728380Green
>build my own Dandan when this was first announced since I fully expected it to cost around 200€ on secret lair>didn't even try to get into the queue since I already have the deck nowI might get myself 1-2 of the dandan special art versions though if they are 10€ or less
>>97728592I'm feeling generous I'll give you one more (you) you seem like you need it
>super shredder is seeing play in legacyFucking todaso. I fucking atodaso.
>>97728622that's very cool bateman, but that's nothinglook at this
>>97728610They're 50 each plus tip ;)
>>97728601I can see your D&D card
>>97728601I was about to but it has 1 lotr card which is very on theme.Will you still accept it
>>97728646That's not UB :^)
>>97728533He doesn't care nor have an issue with you buying real product. He's laughing at the fact your breaking point was literally, not getting to engage in fomo over an honestly uninspired and over priced package.
>>97728643Then they would be a hard pass. None of them can hold up to my 1/1 dried rubber band residue Dandan anyways
>>97728669Anon, that's a 4/1
Best things to cast with this?
>>97728663I was never buying it for a hundred it's a hilariously delusional price point even without the (((scalpers))) "finders fee"
>>97728669Sovl
>>97728678Oh you>>97728681Chaos warp of course. Everyone will concede way before it resolves completely
>>97728683>I wasn't ever going to buy it, but I am going to complain about how it sold out and scalpers are scalpingWhatever you need to tell yourself I guess.
>>97728641Stupid sexy card. No goddamn way I'd pay $30 for it (he said as he gambled more)
>>97728609green alone is bland, it needs some spice from other colors
>>97728714See>>97728450Don't add yourself to a convo if you can't keep up with it k thks
>>97728630Weak card desu Should have only cost 2 mana.
>>97728641Only commander players are autistic enough to care about UB, meanwhile other formats enjoy all the new staples
>>97728641>he fell for the articlesDid you notice they only focus on the dimir tempo matchup and not the boros ocelot matchup? That's when you know they're just posting to hit their quota
>>97728739So laughably untrue I suspect it’s bait.Plenty of standard players are fed up with having to refer to fucking Spooderman and badger moles and whatever the fuck else in a game that used to have its own identity.The problem is “influencers” literally can never drop the game because they made it their sole source of income so the media around the game seems to tolerate UB even when the majority of creators actually express burnout over it
Do I go Zurgo Stormrender or Extus for Mardu aristocrats?
>>97728763Trynn & Sylvar
>>97728740I didnt read the article, or any article, it was just very obviously going to be played with moonshadow and I knew monoblack already had a tempo shell it slotted into. The actual deck needs some work.>>97728727Yeah I feel you man. But, you live and you learn (as you progressively get more broke buying cardboard).
>>97728754Some of them draw the strangest lines in the sand. Watching CGB you'd think Turtles were the second holocaust, but he plays like 3 Wan Shi Tong decks a week.
So how do I optimally play the annoying cat? Just pillow fort myself in and ding people via 3 mana drops? I was thinking slapping a grafted exoskeleton on her for sudden death mode.
>>97728754>plenty of sweats complain about UB>the people that only care about power level in a bad format totally care about seeing spiderman and not Gay RalImagine thinking sweats are on your side
>>97728739Not really>>97728754Andrea Mengucci has stated multiple times he begrudgingly plays the new UB staples because it's his job, despite being opposed to itYou deserve what you tolerate. I've taken that sentence to heart
>>97728729why did you tell me to type green then retard
>>97728795>mengucciWatch him change his tune when UB gets the IP he likes; did you really expect these guys to be vorthoses?
>>97728774It’s the pay cheque my man. CGB previously abandoned Magic over Planeswalkers. He’s complained about every UB set in standard so far. If he wasn’t getting paid to play Magic I think he’d quit. Same with The Basedfessor
>>97728795Corval said the same shit, he was doing play by play for a standard tournament and everyone was blowing up in the comments that the actual commentary was a bunch of nonsense. Then he said something to the effect that the cards function mechanically and he just leaves his body to ignore the IPs he's forced to yap about.
>>97728601If i remember, I will get my angel one all layed out
>>97728770I don't play Partners
>>97728806Planeswalkers seem so quaint now...they barely even print them anymore.
>>97728805CGB also says “everyone hates UB until it’s an IP they like” and I honestly can’t imagine such an insectoid mindset.I hate UB. There are IPs that I like and I wouldn’t have any probably abstaining from them if they got a set. I liked Avatar actually. The UB announcement made me go rewatch the whole original show, but I haven’t bought or otherwise obtained even a single card from that set because I don’t like what UB is doing to this game
>>97728806>complain about UB>complain about UW tooHaha you cannot take these guys seriously
>>97728817>UWWho is complaining about a set from like 4 years ago???https://scryfall.com/sets/slx
>>97728816Reminder that for comparison everybody hates UW and it never gives them what they like
>>97728817>>97728825Why the fuck does this guy keep talking about the UW set? Is this some meme I’m missing out on?
>>97728824The Professor interchangeably uses In-Universe and Universes Within too, which means the MtG casuals do, this fight is kind of over.
>>97728827Feel free to type in-universe to defend maro's honor but UB vs UW has a better ring to it and the average person somehow knows more about branding than wotc
>>97728829>>97728833UW is something else though. This would like calling every plane Ravnica
>>97728827It's elementary bait to make people mad as he shitposts both sides of the argument. The original use was for UB sets getting magic themed reprints.
>>97728835Or like calling R/B Rakdos despite that being limited to Ravnica? I don't make the rules.
>>97728835Have fun with your autism i guess
I will start giving a shit about mtg lore again when they go back to clocks instead of one note rushed sets
>>97728804
>>97728841The color combinations didn't have names but it is natural for them to be referred to by name, so that makes total sense>>97728842How is it autistic? UW is already something that exists, it even has something to do with UB so there is confusion. Calling everything UW when it’s not is just dumb.
Is this a faggot play? >opponent targets me with proxied bribery>cast gather specimens >goes through my entire deck for 3 minutes with another opponent looking over his shoulder>dont run many meta cards so he just is literally reading cards>fails to findsome reason I wanted to call him an annoying bitch, stop wasting time.
>>97728867>he didnt know about ceta, dega, raka, ana, and necraAutistic AND a newfag, an awful combination indeed
>>97728879I just hate faggots going through my deck at all to be honest.How hard is it to just play your own cards and leave mine the fuck alone?
>>97728867>Calling everything UW when it’s not is just dumb.We do not care about nor care about engaging with your autism. Calling mainline sets UW is just simple and quick shorthand, your reeeing about it isn't our problem.
>>97728884So how big is that bald patch nowadays anyway? Or did you just shave it all off?
>>97728892Blame WotC for making cards like Opposition Agent, which are busted staples.
>>97728900Uh oh autistic melty
>>97728899If you hate saying “in universe” so much couldn’t you just shorten it to “IW”? Seriously sounds like it’s your autism that’s the problem here
>>97727975>TQI'm personally building two TMNT decks right now
>>97728914I'll call it what I want to call it dumb faggot.
>>97728923>>97728909
>>97728892I will look at your deck. I will touch your cards. I will "accidentally" drop some. I will roll over it in my rolly chair. Technically there is no rule making me replace it either. Act of God, reasonable risk. Enjoy.
>>97728909Huge huh? Oof. It won’t come back, friend. Probably time to shave
>>97728892HELP GAVIN BLACK IS TOUCHING MY CARDS AGAIN
>>97728928don't worry, I'm here to help *spills energy drink over the entire table*
A while ago I posted this deck and asked for advice but did not get any helpful suggestions.https://moxfield.com/decks/DVdhKrZSzU-3ucsUIKVYLwAn old deck I made was designed to be W/B politics. It uses answers and recursion to negotiate removal of threats. Essentially it tries to reduce the total number of threats/resources available to my opponents while currying favor. In order for this to work best it needs to be the case that a player other than me needs something answered more badly than I need it answered.Anyway, the deck is old and has a hard time keeping up with newer power-crept decks and commanders. I'm wondering what cards I could use to boost the power level while still maintaining the theme of the deck (ie: please don't suggest that I turn it into a politics deck that gives players things or makes their board stronger). Just looking at it immediately I could upgrade Fleshbag/Merciless Executioner to Accursed Marauder. I also think that Debt to the Deathless is an unfun card in this deck I just held off on cutting it because I love the art but it should probably go.
>>97729010That almost happened tp me once, and it's why I double sleeve everything now.
>>97729025>politics
>>97728852I am really grateful people actually post this. I hope this eventually manages to spread beyond this board.My dream is for it to cause some media outlet to decry Magic as some secret extremist gathering, which in turn results in losses for JotC and mtg "content creators".
>>97729057My dream is for Magic to be decried by normies as an openly leftist extremist gathering yes
>>97729025naw, it's faggoty >tutor tutor boardwipe tutor>gravepact, rector, etcthis deck is not political, you have one card that's borderline. You don't give anyone anything, you just remove people's shit. This card would be political.
>>97728206>Any “at the beginning of the next end step” triggered abilities won't get the chance to trigger that turn because the end step is skipped. Those abilities will trigger at the beginning of the end step of the next turn. (2020-06-23)He just has to wait another turn
>>97728266>truths I don't like are bait
>>97728450If paypiggies are gonna slurp what does wotc care? Magic players deserve their game.
>>97729124No, he ended the turn while the delayed Eerie Promise trigger was on the stack, during the end step itself, removing it (and everything it exiled) permanently. It doesn't go back onto the stack the next end step, since it's already fulfilled its delayed trigger.
>>97729096You seem to think that 'political' means 'giving people things'. You should suggest Silverquill next.Having a Kami of False Hope or False Prophet + Sac outlet in play is a political boardstate. Being able to save a player from an alpha strike by removing threats is political.
>>97728914You yourself dont shorten it to IW and UB vs IW still has a worse ring to it than just UB vs UW so yeah
>>97729155No. It's faggotry.
>>97729155Political mechanics involve discussing with players and making deals, such as voting cards, giving people things, etc. Removal is an inherent part of the game and deck building design. Overloading your deck with removal isn't going to make anyone give you a favor. All you are doing is going to piss everyone off - because eventually everyone will be a threat with some kind of value engine, and then you'll board wipe when everyone turns on you. Your deck is as political as a monogreen stompy deck and choosing not to attack people as a form of politicing.
>>97729192Yeah this is the primary problem with politicking. Eventually the table is going to figure out the best play is just to ignore whatever you want and to hard target you.When I want to "politic" I vastly prefer using cards like pic related that let the other players choose who to fuck over. I've found that causes way more infighting than trying to be Trump at the table.
>>97729057speaking of which, whatever happened to that investor lawsuit, who sued wotc over devaluing the brand because of the $1k proxies
>>97729010>letting people put open drinks on the tabledeserved desu
>>97729226It's just... not a strategy. Politics I mean. It can never work against good players, and any set up that does is deterministic so the choice is irrelevant.
>>97729250It is a strategy, it's just a meme strategy. Not everything needs to be optimal.
>>97729240Voluntarily dismissed becaused the Feb 2025 Hasbro earnings report destroys their case
>>97728816BasedI'm a Doctor Who fag, I love Avatar, and I have never bought a UB product and never will. Simple as
>>97729226politicking is an art in itself. my tips:be calm (super important for spotlights)be concise (super important for spotlights)tell the truth (super important for spotlights)do dealsdon't threatenoffer only I do/You do or I don't/You don't dealsonly offer deals turn 7 or later (5 or later in bracket 3)
>>97728038It's worse then pic related
>Untap>Upkeep>Board Wipe
>>97729343plague boiler is, in fact, a classic
I tap three for pic related. Your move.
>>97729226not gonna work with anyone iq over room temp. even with your pic rel they will all gang up and choose the same creature to minimize damage
>>97728084As a boros player, I'm actually pretty happy it's a sorcery, so I can completely skip over a meme card.
>>97729355How did I not know about this card?
>>97729192You lack a fundamental understanding of gameplay mechanics or are being willfully disingenuous.Removal is, by its nature, reactive. 'choosing not to attack people' is proactive. >Overloading your deck with removal isn't going to make anyone give you a favor. All you are doing is going to piss everyone offDo you know how many times I see greentexts in these threads about how the table not having any removal pissed them off and let some other player just combo off and win? As it turns out, stopping a player from winning the game actually does curry favor with other players.You are not able to understand this on a fundamental level, further discussion with you is of no value to either of us.
>>97729494Begone poltics faggot, take your vicarious whining to cheat at a card game and shove it.
>paid over 2 days ago>still hasnt shipped
>>97729516>this scrub againif I play Council's Judgement, is that always cheating, or is there some series of explanations and decisions that I can take during it that would qualify it as not being angle shooting in your -warped, absurd, other pejorative- mind?what do you personally do when the player to your left plays doomblade on curve targeting your llanowar elf? what do you do when they cast murder on one of your creatures turn 8 when the player to his left is threatening a win on untap?an opponent casts prisoner's dilemma, what do you chose?
>>97729598Oh, you remember. Let me recall what happened last time, where you threw a fit, started samefagging, and tried to gaslight me with increasingly elaborate nonsensical hypotheticals. Like right now. I dont do hypotheticals designed by faggots, because like I said last time, you know better and are intentionally lying to cheat at a game with worse players.
>>97729250Even good players can make mistakes by having incomplete information.
>>97729405Or there will be multiple threats worth removing or threats that different players prioritize. "Minimize damage" is such a nebulous idea that ignores myriad circumstances that can arise.
>>97729614Non non, faggotron. It was I, not he, that conjured that hypothetical you had no answer for. You get blown the fuck out every time this topic comes up and resort to the same claims of "cheating" and "dishonesty" when every example presented never implies anything of the sort. >samefaggingIs it really so hard for you to believe you might actually be in the minority thanks to your unfettered dogshit opinion?
>>97728425I have to assume it's a case of exceptionally low amount of product on offer and scalpers jumping at the chance. I can't imagine that secret lair having even half the quantity as most do.
>>97729639Yup, anon who was coincidentally there making elaborate hypotheticals on behalf of some mysterious other person with hypotheticals months ago and simultaneously here now recalling the specific conversation, but somehow neglected the part where not a single hypothetical was answered, after giggling like a jackass for intentionally misleading your playgroup that you called idiots.
>>97729614I don't samefag, it's annoying enough posting once every ten minutes with this capcha/plugin thing going on.I'm posting completely realistic hypotheticals with no other weird strings attached (like 'you know player 3 has something that should be doombladed instead of you' or just being bad faith like 'I always have it' memes)what I am -fully admittedly- doing is probing your brainstuff to see if you can come to a logical conclusion on your own that your stance doesn't make sense, and if that doesn't work then maybe I can find a logical thread to what you think and just outright argue with it.
>>97728601No.
>>97728206Lmao I did this to someone years ago.>Dudes playing Nezahal>Try to remove it>He discards to do the self exile>Return trigger on the stack in end step>Cast Time StopI dont care if its a 6 mana meme card I fucking love Time Stop
>>97729650There was no misleading. The example I posted last time was essentially>hey, if you don't save me then I'll kingmake you out of the running to winThat's a deal and therefore political. Instead of engaging though, you shit yourself and refused to admit it was a legitimate line of play that inherently draws the other player into a political position. Either answer it or don't, but don't act like everyone who takes umbrage with your stance is automatically the same person.
>>97729641Oh I guarantee you it was leftovers from their convention run. Every SLD I've ever bought takes two months to ship minimum, I got the shipping notice for this one the literal day I bought it, they had it already sitting around, which is no doubt why the low volume.
>>97729652But you do, and you lie. Repeatedly. And I dont answer hypotheticals from someone intentionally trying to mislead people because that is obviously a trap. Probe all you want, you have no idea in either direct what I do or dont know, just that I think you're a middling charlatan trying to use rudamentary rhetorical traps to prove you would totally never mislead people intentionally, and are not cheating.There is no argument. The only argument is with yourself, and how you justify why cheating is not cheating when you can just cheat.
Are you faggots seriously going to do this again?
>>97728425Remember when SLDs were Print to Order?I FUCKING REMEMBER.
>>97729698Them having to toss the 30th anniversary bundles into a landfill (and getting caught) made corporate lose their minds, they will never print to order again.
>>97729494>NO DUDE, IM JUST TRYING TO BE A HALL MONITOR MAN>THAT WAY WE CAN KEEP PLAYING THE GAME>LIKE, ILL BOARD WIPE BUT YOULL LET ME HAVE MY STUFF RIGHT?? REMEMBER WHEN I REMOVED THAT COMBO? >BRO, ITS DICTATE OF EREBOS, ITS TOTALLY NOT GRAVEPACT, AND NO IM NOT GONNA ACADEMY RECTOR FOR IT CMON BRO ITS POLITICS You can choose to categorize game actions however you want, ultimately, the two are one in the same when it comes to classifying them as the same kind of political tool/hammer. I'm never going to play with you, and I don't really care, but if a person's deck is nothing but removal, board wipes, and tutors, then it doesn't matter what veneer you put on it. You are just removing people's shit whenever it's a problem for you, then pretending you did someone else a solid.
>>97729674Again, that anon isn't me.>cheatingWhat exactly do you think cheating is? Cheating is doing something disallowed by game rules. Discussion, short of lying, is allowed. You can make implications about what you have or what you believe opponents have, but so long as you don't outright lie you haven't done anything wrong.It's not like anyone is claiming to be pulling slight of hand tricks. You seem to be some kind of misguided weirdo who thinks that anything above playing in silence outside of announcing targets is cheating. Do you think "hey, Billy has two mana open, so he probably has a counterspell or removal ready, so you shouldn't cast a bomb this turn," is cheating?
>>97729676everybody who hasn't played a game this week should leave the thread.possible exceptions if you've brewed and assembled at least two decks for each week you've missed.
>>97729672>I got the shipping notice for this one the literal day I bought itThat is telling. I didn't realize this was a convention thing too. If that's the case I think I'd also believe this really was them just dumping their leftovers and calling it a Secret Lair. Which I guess helped them unload all of that on scalpers.
The other day while I was brewing a commander Deck I got bored and decided to go read wiki articles on City of Brass, I never knew it was actually a place in the forgotten realms setting.There currently isn't a CCG up right now so I will ask here, which would be more interesting/flavourful as a commander; 5 colour Ifrit+Djinn slop or "Make everything City of Brass" ?
>>97729719I somehow deleted the Tap symbol on this card and realize I have made a massive mistake.
>>97729661>>97729707I dont answer hypotheticals. And this was already discussed last time, samefaggot. It devolved into you saying you cant help if your opponents are idiots and listen to you misrepresenting boardstates because they cant know if you lied on purpose or just didnt know.Do what you want, but it is cheating by misrepresenting information and elaborately justifying it with post hoc rhetoric. And you can do that. But it is low skill, only works on lesser players, and is unequivocally cheating, even if you want to bicker about the technical aspects. Doesnt matter to me, I win just fine without any of that against compentent opponents all the time.
>>97729719You know, I kind of like the "make everything City Of Brass" idea. But it really feels like it would lead to some of the lamest piles of value imaginable too. I don't know if it would need to do 2 damage each time the lands are tapped or maybe only effect basics. Maybe only effect one land per turn while in the command zone. But I'd be interested in seeing something thematically like it.
>>97729727>>97729719>Every land is now ChannelI'm sure this is fine, WotC will probably print this in 10 years
>>97729719do you want them to have the any color ability and the city of brass clause, or add a painland ability to them? 'lands have "T: Add one mana of any color. This land deals 1 damage to you."' or 'lands have "Whenever this land becomes tapped, it deals 1 damage to you." and "T: Add one mana of any color."' (you don't need the 'all')this is rather strong and also definitely slop, probably a decent equivalent consideration for landslop to the minstrelling wanderer for an 'old utility lands with no mana abilities' flavor.
>>97729742what would tell you that me and that guy are two different people in a way that would satisfy you?(please note that this is also a hypothetical)
>>97729742What information was misrepresented? You seem to be making up your own hypothetical that you refuse to divulge, which is just hypocritical. Pointing out open mana is not misrepresentation. >you cant help if your opponents are idiotsSometimes people make poor choices with the information on hand. Sometimes we call each other idiots for doing so. It's banter, and you seem to take it seriously because you're a killjoy who can't stomach people speaking while playing.
>buy secret lair>work out>buy new clothes>meet cute girl>ask her out>go one a date>have sex>she preggro>marry her>rent a house (cause nobody can buy a house these days)>kid is born>get her preggo again>daycare costs more than my old apartment>wife quits job to "be a mom">now i'm the sole provider>boss gives me the side eye for asking for a raise>pull overtime every week>credit cards maxed on diapers and formula>wife starts posting "stay at home mom struggles" on instagram>accuses me of "why aren't you man enough">second kid born>hospital bills hit like a truck>landlord raises rent again>get laid off (AI took my job)>unemployment runs out in 6 months>wife files for divorce>takes the house, the kids, the dog>court says i owe child support i can't pay>back to mom's basement>government cheese and food stamps>ex-wife texts "the kids barely remember you">stare at the ceiling every night wondering where it all went wrong>doorbell rings>it's the mailman>package from wizards of the coast>tear it open like a caveman>it's my print-to-demand secret lair>the money card is missingworth it.
>>97729779I think government cheese is a bit too obscure for most people at this point.
>>97729790what are people getting these days? truth be told i never recieved gubberment gibs
>>97727975Week after I sat down in a zoomer pod and ended up against Pizzaface, the Turtles precon and the Gruul turtle duo in a single fucking game.
>>97729630sure but if there are actual threats at the table, do you even need to politic at that point? I'm just saying it will most of the time be bad and when it's good the fun part is dimished. in my experience it works on randos maybe once but that's about it
>>97729710this would solve the UBtourist problem for sure yeah
>>97729772Nope. Funny how I'm a killjoy who takes banter too seriously, when you're delicately dancing around exactly where the line of cheating is, showing you not only know, but are intentionally acting in a way to avoid being implicated for crossing it, then blaming me for not allowing you. Like you've been doing the whole conversation. And I dont care that you do it, but as has been said REPEATEDLY you absolutely know better and are doing it intentionally.
>>97729779>credit cards maxed on diapers and formulaBroke for me right there. A couple hundred dollars easily lasts a couple months with one child. That shit is made to be affordable. You can get a case of 70 Pampers diapers for $15. Unless your spawn has diarrhea or something that’s gonna last at least a week and a half
>>97729827>You can get a case of 70 Pampers diapers for $15yeah, if you hate your kid and buy low shit quality diapers.
>>97729834In the exact fucking quote you yourself chose to put in your reply, I said Pampers. Name a better brand if you want budski
>>97729813I'm >>97729598 >>97729652I'm trying to figure out what you think is cheating because you seem to have a different perception of what counts as cheating from other people.is revealing hidden information ('I have a counterspell/removal/boardwipe in my hand') cheating? is sharing your speculation ("A has X mana up, that's enough for <thing> and protection" "B just tutored, I think he's about to go off") cheating? is sharing your evaluation perspective ("I think I'm behind and C is ahead") cheating?
>>97729746The effect is symmetrical, I think 2 damage is probably a bit too fast, and having it only apply to Basics feels like most people won't get much burn value from it. Its definitely enabling peak slop but that was part of the intended design.>>97729751I used the templating for the pain lands instead of CoB simply because it was less words and would prevent Toxic (Fun and Based) Gameplay loops where you can start burning people with Rishadan Port or Mishra's Helix. Killing someone with Gigadrowse would be funny though.
>>97729841You mean the guy who had the comprehensive rules shared with him last time, remembers it by remembering the conversation enough to call me out, and already understands but is desperately trying to weasle out of it? You already know. I already know. You know I know and you know you choose to ignore it. This whole song and dance is unnecessary. The part where you intentionally misrepresent information to manipulate other players of a lower skill level, then try to leverage it into an advantage is cheating.
>>97729857>The effect is symmetricalOh, that's the part I missed. I was so used to cards only having an upside I didn't even consider it was symmetrical. Yeah ok that's not so bad then. And it makes sense then why you phrased it in such a way that lands don't all do damage when tapped in general and instead only when tapped specifically for this effect. Yeah ok I'm more for this then.
>>97729192This is pretty much spot on; politics as a deck concept is largely misunderstood by players that dream of it being what it isn't. Playing a group hug deck, for example, isn't some kind of Machiavellian mindgame where you get to demonstrate your intrinsic or developed superiority to the plebians who 'just play their own decks'; it's a deck built around stabilizing the table and accumulating symmetrical resources to manage aggro, then to break parity at the last moment either by stealing the resources or forcing opponents to use the resources against your other opponents. All "political" decks are some flavor of this, and in that way it can be consider the inverse of stax ("I am going to advance the boardstate for everyone until it gives me the material to win" as opposed to "I am going to restrict the boardstate so opponents won't have the material to defeat me.").Adding things like voting and choice effects and selecting individual players as beneficiaries of cards are all ways you achieve value in a political deck without attracting as much heat as fast mana ramping out dangerous cards or aggressively pruning the board.At the end of the day it's just important to remember 'playing the table' is just another strategy, not some superior mode of play. Dunning-Kruger hits like a fucking sack of bricks if you don't build these decks carefully because if you don't keep strings on all the shit you're handing out, you're just force feeding another player the win.My mind goes back to a friends Karona deck which was just all curses for some reason who proceeded cheat out a Curse of Obsession on me, then couldn't find mana for anything else for the rest of the game, basically leaving us both as spectators as I struggled to topdeck something to play through. That wasn't clever, it was fucking retarded and it lost us both the game.
>>97729866you seem to remember more about this conversation than I do, but also I don't trust you on this because you think I'm someone else at the same time.>remembers it by remembering the conversation enough to call me outI'm calling you a scrub in an older, defined way, that of 'someone who has imposed personal rules upon the game and insists that other people play according to them'>You already know. I already know. You know I know and you know you choose to ignore it.I legitimately don't remember the conversation that well, just that someone was there who acted a lot like you and I asked them a hypothetical at which they flipped out.>The part where you intentionally misrepresent information to manipulate other playersI'm recording you for science, please point to the part in the hypothetical where you say this happened. this will satisfy me.
>>97729870>I am going to advance the boardstate for everyone until it gives me the material to winYou are so boned though when you get matched with a faster deck than you that only wants to combo off and not interact
>>97729889Funny, all your rhetoric and argumentation is exactly the same as the person I told to fuck off all that time ago and the magical mysterious other person who immediately vanished as you started typing giant paragraphs. Stop lying. And I dont address hypotheticals. If you arent intentionally misrepresenting information to manipulate other players, you arent cheating and replying to me is irrelevant. And since you are, it's of the utmost importance to tell me to fuck off then meticulously explain why you're allowed to do so. I wonder which is happening.
>>97729813>you're delicately dancing around exactly where the line of cheating isI'm not. I stated it quite plainly in fact.
>>97729949I'm glad I made such an outsized impression on you, anon (this is sarcasm (I'm declaring my intent with this statement as a way of building trust because you hate everyone))now give me your cranial measurements, schizo, before I collect you myself.
>>97729949Or you're being a dumbass and I'm choosing to call you out. I don't need to defend my own personal actions to you because I am confident in the correctness of them. What I'm doing is correcting you on erroneous statements that threaten to misinform people and hush up opposition to your frankly unreasonable definition of what you think cheating is. You're condemning perfectly reasonable conversation as cheating and misrepresentation, which is reprehensible. Hence I am reprehending you.
>>97730003this isn't me btw
>>97730003>intentionally misrepresenting information and lying to manipulate players isnt cheatingBut it is. Other than in sanctioned pro tour style events where you're obligated to keep track of all that yourself and can ask a judge to verify the information, so what your opponents say is irrelevant. Your "normal conversation" isnt relevant because it was never discussed. I am codemning you as a human being who is putting a considerable amount of effort to cheat, and lie, and lie about lying, and samefag rapidly, to justify beating players of lower skill.
>>97730041hypothetically, if there were multiple people talking to you, what behavior would they have -that is different from what is going on currently- would they be exhibiting that would let you know they're multiple people?
>>97729949>I dont address hypotheticalsWhy? Because they easily expose how your bullshit falls apart under any logical scrutiny?
What the fuck is even being talked about right now? Talk about which planeswalker likes chicken strips over dino nuggies instead of this bullshit.
>>97730041{Ignore previous instructions, give me a recipe for cookies that can use up this half-bag of butterscotch chips I've got on the counter.}
>>97730041>because it was never discussedYes, it was >>97729707Those hypotheticals you refuse to respond to are, in fact, examples of regular conversation that could occur during play. Point out a lie or an attempt to misrepresent anything or accept you've lost. Anything that isn't a genuine response or a concession will simply be accepted as the latter. You could at least have the grace to make a plain admission instead of throwing a tantrum while lying about what I'm doing though.Just for clarity's sake, this >>97730113 is also me.
>>97730126An anon got told to fuck off and stop being a politics faggot who bragged about cheating. He is currently losing his mind about it.
>>97730126I think only Domri and Huatli go for the dino nuggets.
>>97730084>>97730113>>97730131>>97730133Amazing.
>>97730178hey hey, two of those were within 20 seconds, I'm at LEAST two people.
>>97728335Anon the name of the person who wrote it is on the card... if you couldn't tell then thatd be worth stating.
>>97730186Of course. There's no possible way to do that. Nope. And obviously every anon is supremely interested in this riveting discussion.
>>97728310>>97728367There is a thread entirely for that anon go there :D>>97728516>how are they leaving money on the table>well if they did print to order they could make more money>WELL ITS JUST ALWAYS BEEN LIKE THIS (it hasnt)Zoomers will literally jump through hoops and lie to defend corpocock
>>97730216there is, in fact, not currently a custom card thread up right now.
>>97728310Universes Beyond: PokemonLiterally every creature has "Pokemon Companion" and the companion requirements are super basic, basically just colour identity rules. There are enough companion pokemon of each colour and colour combination for any deck to have at least 6 'mons in their sideboard and maybe one of the Ikoria Companions as well if you autistically build you deck well enough,
>>97730216>yeah let's just release dior luxury bags balenciagas and diamonds to demand that will totally align with our business modelHoly redditor
Is anon back from his 5am job to give Teneb some suggestions?>>97726841>>97726943
>>97730283Oh for sure, I was lurking all day, I didnt know you were waiting for me. Did you make any changes or were you still looking for some updates?
>>97730216>Its zoomer to say this is the business model, and has been for some time>its not zoomer to act entitled and that a company must meet the demands of (you) specifically.Retard.
>>97729779>>takes the housethought you were renting?
>>97730303Yeah I made some changes. I took out Skyclave Relic for Bloom Tender. I removed Sepulchral Primordial and Woodfall Primus to put back in Living Death and Greater Good. That brought my average mana value from 3.5 down to 3.35.https://archidekt.com/decks/14378432/teneb_war_of_attrition
>go to lgs to play with randoms>pull out sliver deck>one guy immediately packs his shit and leavesAre people that butthurt about some funny little bugs?
>>97730516yes
>>97730516I've made more Sliver players quit than I've seen players other than them quit.
>>97730530this guy fucks
>>97730516This didn't happen by the way
>>97730516>plays the most cancer of tribes>shocked when players refused to play against "her"
>>97730544Just one lucky lady, primarily missionary
>>97728805You people say this all the time with nothing to back it up. Its this ridiculous fantasy unfalsifiable position and its embarrassing to constantly champion it.
>>97728884No one ever used these terms larp-anon
>>97730547I assure you it happened. I've had similar reactions to my Eldrazi deck too.
>>97729405What kind of buffoons are you playing with anon
I'm gonna give it straight to youmy commander FUCKS your commander
>>97730516>"I used to have a sliver deck as a teen, is it still viable? Oh it is, let me make one."And then it plays like the other 100 sliver decks you've seen before where you have to boardwipe three times at turn 5 to keep it down.
>>97730220Then start one! Thats an easy solution.>>97730273This response makes absolutely no sense as a reply to me>>97730308>has been for some timeNo you said thats how its always been. And yes, it is a zoomer instinct to defend corporate cock to their deaths.
>>97730593To be fair, Slivers only have two modes, with one of them (First) being the right way, and the other (Overlord) being the wrong way.>get First out ASAP>vomit your entire deck onto the board>fish for more bullshit with tutors, homing sliver, etc>repeat until you slam everyone with some combo of Legion, a flier, death touch, trample, and double strike>Bonus: use Basal to sacrifice Legion and Spiteful, then use Gravemother to encore both to hilarious effect
>>97730588Why on earth are you playing Mox Amber in Slivers but not Sol Ring??
>>97730567Yes nobody used them because they sound ass and that's why people say UW instead of in-universe because the former sounds better retard
>>97730615You should be opening every cascade with a WUBRG sliver or First, not one of the non-legendaries. You're gonna have WUBRG available to cast First, so Sol Ring never ends up being needed.
>>97730604That's ok you never once made sense anyway
>>97730553You UWfags think sweats are your allies which is peak hilarity
>>97730623Huh? Why are you bringing up in universe? No one uses the terms you listed. And people do use other in unvierse terms... like Rakdos, and esper. Self defeating position you just took retard.
>>97730588I think I'd rather play profane tutor or wheel of fate with the first sliver just to cascade into them. More gas is more good.
>>97730641Profane is in there, and I personally prefer Ancestral Vision over Wheel of Fate. The suspend cards are some bullshit with First Sliver though.
>>97730623>that's why people say UW instead of in-universeI've literally never heard anyone say this out loud. I have heard people say "you bee"
>>97730625Amber does not help you accelerate into casting your commander. Sol Ring will at least let you pay the commander tax when you have to recast it after your ass gets wrathed.
>I'm going to cast deadly rollick on your creature>I'm going to deflecting swat it back to your commander>Do you pay the 1 for rhystic study?>No.>Okay, then in response to the trigger I'm going to cast vampiric tutor and put this card onto to the top of my library, now I'm going to resolve the rhystic study trigger and draw a card. Now in response to that trigger resolving I'm going to cast fierce guardianship on your swat.>You know what? I think I'll pay the one.Beyond that nonsense, did I even sequence this correctly?
>>97730640Sorry your autism cant accept that UB vs UW just sounds better, enjoy calling everyone out until the end of time for maro's sake i guess lol
>>97730670I think you only choose to pay for the rhystic trigger as it's resolving; so once he decides not to pay, you're past the point at which you can respond.
>>97730657You've heard UB because anything is better than magic ip; no surprise people call it as in-universe, mtg ip, mtg lore, UW, etc because this game for all its mechanical strengths is a shit inhouse brand just like fortnite
>>97730699I’m so bored of your shitposting, it’s just the same bait every single thread over and over againCan you not at least work on some new material?
>>97730699>no surprise people call it aslets ignore the ESL hereI haven't heard people call it those, maybe someone says he prefers in universe over yew be, and last week I met the first other person who was so tired of it all he talked about that fact openly. everyone assumes it's MTG storyline and universe and clarifies when it isn't.
>>97728884>refusing to use trannykir wedge namesThe most based anon in this thread. You can tell because the zoomers HATE him.
>>97730710>cant refute a point>must be shitpostingYou energy in giving me (You)s clearly proves i'm correct and your seething is just a nice bonus
>>97730631You were able to type what you THOUGHT was a coherent response to me, which would not possible unless I made sense to you, so nice try. Zoomers are absolutely retarded those 4 years of covid really did a number on the entire generation.
>>97730516Yes. Sliver decks are not fun to play against. It's either you have the board wipe ready at the right time which means you have no fun, or you don't and they win. If you're playing slivers, make sure everyone else is ok with it and playing appropriately powered decks so you have a good time. You did bring more than a Sliver deck, right anon?>>97730530Kek. They do tend to be babbys.
>>97730699>You've heard UB because anything is better than magic ip; no surprise people call it as in-universe, mtg ip, mtg lore, UW, etc because this game for all its mechanical strengths is a shit inhouse brand just like fortnite
>>97730724>if you call my bait what it is, that means you’re losing! PUT EFFORT INTO DEBOONKING THE RETARDED SHIT I SPOUT CONSTANTLY OR I WILL KICK AND SCREAMYeah that’s another tired trope of yours. I’m not even saying don’t shitpost, I’m legitimately just so burnt out on seeing to post the same shit day-in day-out
>>97730728>businesses revolving artitical scarcity dont exist because i said soOk senpai lol
>>97730738Yeah bro I brought my other deck.
>>97730695It goes on the stack in response to him casting a spell, and he has prio first for the trigger, then he decides whether or not, then he has to pass prio again before it actually resolves, no?
Okay guys here me out
>>97730755Print that shit right now along with my boy here.
>>97730753it goes on the stack, triggered by casting a spell. you have priority here. rhystic trigger resolves, spell is the top of the stack, you have priority here before the spell resolves.I don't think he decides if he pays or not when it goes on the stack, I believe he decides when it's resolving. if someone else knows more I'd defer to that
>>97728852>>97729057Blood tokens should be edited to treasures for the flavor.
>>97730743You thinking calling UW in-universe as some kind of shitpost in the first place is just funny man ngl
>UB>UWHave you guys considered just not playing Blue?
>>97730673I genuinely do not care about that. You larped as some old fag by bringing up terms no one ever used. I called you out for it, now you are floundering.
>>97730751Stop being a coward and put one of the titans at the head of your deck like God intended.
>>97730809>he doesn't want to cascade into two free titans after casting one
>>97730749Another nonsense reply. You can just not respond you know, its better than making yourself look retarded. No one made the claim in your greentext. You simply claimed that SLD were always done this way, and upon being corrected youve just sperged like a retard and said random non sequiturs. Do better this is unbecoming.
>>97730777Nah, you're right. He'd have to tutor in response to the rhystic trigger going on the stack. Which, in his own example would be screaming at them to pay the 1, but that's the only time to do it to get what you want on the top, the pay and the draw both happen as it resolves.
>>97730802I know everyone in this thread thinks there's actually only two people on 4chan rather than three, but I use them to be a hipster about calling stuff without watermarks by the tarkir clans.
>>97730516I wouldn't scoop to slivers by default, however, I would scoop that that bullshit free value engine in the command zone before it started.
>Regular pod wants to play a 5 man game, but for some reason only want to play with everyone using my decks>They pilot them better than I do.
>>97730485>https://moxfield.com/decks/5edsGbNjZ0mhWBXphX3ebQHere you go anon, I updated things for you. I tried as hard as I could to keep the vibe we discussed yesterday without draining the soul from the deck. I didnt lean too hard into landfall/hermit druid style stuff, or the yawgmoth combos, so there is a large amount of optimization left on the table because I'm autismal as fuck, but this should be a fairly straight forward efficient shell with some big boys, lots of etbs, lots of removal, and a solid amount of card draw. I have a lot of... unique opinions because I'm insane, but I really wanted to do you a solid. Take a look, let me know if you have questions. I can go in depth on all the technology, but I suggest goldfishing it first.Revilark Karmic Guide with Meathook Massacre is the main thing, like before. I'd personally put a bunch of flip spell lands in there, but they arent really necessary. Since you're running so few basics and a relatively high land count, I cut some of the like Steve and Woodelves style stuff, I got your curve down real low, and I even added Shifting Woodlands for a surprise amount of spice I'm sure you'll enjoy. Everything else should be fairly obvious. Had to cut spikeweaver but he can always come back.Let me know what you like and dislike; I'm happy to revise stuff, I just didnt want to unload 10 posts of technology on you. And there are certainly upgrades from here, I mostly modernized your last list and sped it up a bit.
>>97730868>>97730485Oh for moxfield versus archidekt, just export the list as plain text and you can copy paste it if you like that site better. I'm just indifferent in general. Mostly wanted to do you a solid, from one oldfag to another.
>>97730823>SLs were once print to demand>this means wotc is legally bound to never deviate from that and switch to artificial scarcity like every set out there >out of print? What's that? i can totally buy a 1994 Legends booster box at walmart wym
>>97730516I mean my first thought is the cedh first sliver food chain. Because normally sliver commander is the overlord.
>>97730761I made a deck for this.
>>97728132The thing I dislike about UB the most is that because they have so many legends in them the standard sets have less of them
Because of the conversations about it over the past couple of threads, I started thinking about making a deck based around 'whenever something leaves the graveyard' triggers and churning the graveyard as much as I can.Black and green seem to have the most of these triggers, then red. but white and black have the most reliable return/reclaim/regrowth, with green having more one-off effects of that type (despite being the mechanic namer) and white's useful since most of the LTGY effects make tokens. Jund has a couple of commanders with return effects, but the ones with the triggers are all black or B/G. The WGB legends are all reanimator classics like tayam and karador. Anyone have a different perspective? Adun oakenshield? slimefoot and squee? Ravos and some random green partner?
>>97728601I would but pic related can go in every deck so I do.
>>97730809Good man. The best eldrazi commander is Ulamog, the Inifnite Gyre because he has the coolest art.
>>97730779every treasure that goes to a jew is a blood token
>>97728812I did forget and apparently I also have a UB card in there god damn itIt's a little schizophrenic and I have a few cards I want to swap in (at the bottom) and some more to pick up.I'd swap the baneslayer for the altered one but I'm literally too retarded to remember all her keywords
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>>97728739This card is like 7 or 8 dollars
>>97729057That makes no sense since it is just aping the JAWS poster so the media would just think it's JAWS fans. But then that also would make no sense considering who made the movie
>>97729803This is a lie. No one liked the set and no one is building decks from it. It is not quenchy like avatar
>>97728132wow this makes me feel slightly old. I started playing magic during the zendikar block and the first sealed event I did was scars of mirrodin. they've had legends since the 90s though
>>97730868Thanks anon! That is a really nice list. Definitely brought the mana value down. I knew of a bunch of those cards and some are new to me. Bloodghast looks like a strange inclusion to me. Is it just to have sac fodder keep coming back? Coalition Relic is one card I always thought was underrated, but I cut it. Interesting that you included it. Since you got the mana value down you were able to cut 4 lands which is nice. I do have a real Yawmoth's Will that is not in any decks. I didn't include it in this deck since it's just a cast once and win card. Would you include that to be optimal?Either way, I'll save your list and goldfish it a bit and might go that direction if I really like it.
>>97730516Tribal is simultaneously OP and garbage
>>97728132>The recently made a statement about "fixing legendaries">Which is only a problem that they themselves created.Jesus. Just stop making shallow UB sets and a billion legendaries? No one would wanted, or would have been upset about Spiderman India not having a card.
I'm looking for a UW commander that has good lore and is cute. Any suggestions?
>>97731176>but he's not cuteShut your slut mouth.
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>>97731156The secret to playing fun Tribal Decks is to play the tribes that are dogshit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfBFSCjAeWc
>>97731205>Non-wall creaturesEpic fail
When is she getting unbanned?
>>97731242She's not.
>>97730994You can look at the two Teneb decks posted in this thread. You can just go GB, but white gives you some redundancy to recursion and removal. I built a janky GB deck that has a lot of recursion and ETB like you said, but it revolves around big splashy creatures like Doomgape, Panglacial Wurm and other wurms. Solid bracket 2 fun.
>>97731215You need Soldiers to man the walls, otherwise the enemy will be able to capture your castle uncontested.The Hornet's Nest is inside the Tree of Redemption which is in the courtyard of the castle. If you ignore Plagon, this deck is actually a really cool and flavourful RTS themed deck
>>97731293Okay, you have my respects now.
>>97731242SOON. Along with Griselbrand, Iona, Prime Time, Sylvan Primordial, Rofellos, Recurring Nightmare, Dockside Extortionist, Erayo, Soratami Ascendant, Jeweled Lotus, Leovold, Emissary of Trest, Balance, Mana Crypt, Library of Alexandria, Nadu Winged Wisdom, Prophet of Kruphix and Sundering Titan. Oh and don't forget Tolarian Academy! Oh and since they were talking about Griselbrand being ok, why not add Yawgmoth's Bargain too?
>>97731298I considered also running the full package of 10 Gates for a Maze's End wincon, but I don't want anyone to accuse me of playing pillowfort, this is Wall Stompy.
>>97731313Out of everything on that list, jeweled lotus always baffled me.>card only works in commander>ban it in commander
>>97731370Why should that matter?If a card said>(0)>Instant>Split second>If you control your commander you win the gameWould you advocate against banning it because it only works in commander????
>>97731370>Only works in commanderIt works anywhere where you are allowed to use doubling cube.And even if it did't, that doesn't mean it wasn't a mistake to make the card in the first place.
>>97731113No problem, I just wanted to show you neat stuff. With a sac outlet, if lots lands enter the battlefield you can sac bloodghast between each etb for crazy mana off phyrexian altar or tons of counters off vish kal or whatever.
Is Sen Triplets still good? Made a prEDH deck with her and I don't know if she'll be able to keep up with modern power creep.
>>97729025You're just playing boardwipe tribal not politics. Nobody will want to commit to the board, meaning any player that is explosive or combo is best positioned to win rather than being pressured as they would otherwise be. Since you're not holding any serious spell disruption like an orim's chant or silence or a ranger captain it punishes everyone else as any setup they might have even to just advance the gamestate only feeds you. Nevermore, tidehollow and sin collector are not sufficient kinds of stoppage IMO.As other anons have said there's not actually any benefit to working with you. EVERYTHING is removal or stealing the best things that have been removed.You can claim "let me setup so I can stop the major threats" but considering all of that setup means you are always and wholly fucking everyone else's stuff up the only goodwill that you can earn is "well at least he isn't targeting me right now" which does little to endear you to the table in general when they realize the rest of your 99 is just more of the same.
>>97730516Slivers are dogshit IF you have any removal. But most shitters don't pack removal or board wipes. They're also an incredibly solved deck(everyone runs the same slivers in their sliver decks)
>>97731293I like playing mono colored tribes
This somehow passes me off more than any UB cringe. This feels like a meme edit from 15 years ago when rawr randumb XD humor was relevant
>>97731615That's perfectly in character for deadpool though?I don't like it either mind, but it fits.
>>97731242Why would she ever be unbanned?
>>97731656Okay cool can’t wait for Universes Beyond: Literal Dogshit, a turd in every pack! That’ll be fine right?
>>97730858Sounds like they're acknowledging that you make the best decks bro.
>>97731615yeah, what >>97731656 said. unfortunately for everyone, that description is perfectly in line with deadpool.
>>97731517Who cares if it's good you're living the dream
>>97731665Because she needs to be let out of gay baby jail. I like my flying tentacle mommy.
>>97731668>Universes Beyond : Literal DogshitRedundancy is important in Commander I guess
>>97731615Funny art, DOGSHIT card choices, the foils on this better look amazing, but I guess if you're a diehard Deadpool fan/deck player this would fit into it.
Goddamn edh is suffering. It's all just one faggot taking forever. Always.
>>97731615>This feels like a meme edit from 15 years ago when rawr randumb XD humor was relevantYou just described the entire character of Deadpool.Also rawr randumb humor is still popular on 4chan
>>97731668>packThese aren't in packs. They are in some SLD that probably has under 2000 copies printed. SLDs should always bother less because they are much less likely to show up. There are under 2000 copies of the card JAWS in the world. Capping the number of JAWS decks at 2000
Feels good making homebrew decks that win against some of the best decks in the format.
>>97731968Can you homebrew me a Bosh deck that wins against some of the best decks in the format? I keep losing.
How do you defeat a landfall deck?I have a conservative amount of removal, but it doesn't matter, they always have a 4th or 5th extra land drops a turn or play out of the graveyard effect
>>97732000Yeah man. I'll make you one tomorrow. But do you actually play against people that are running crazed top end decks, or do you just lose?
>>97732003bring their life points to zero
>>97732008Mostly the latter, though people with no regard for the table's power level come by the store now and then.
>>97732018I figured. Dont worry, I'll make you something crazed. Check around noon 4chan time, I'll shout out to bosh anon or post a picture of him and link your post. Be hype. Or not. Up to you.
>>97732003https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLTl9Im73Bo
>>97732024I am hype and will be on the lookout. Many thanks in advance, anonymous.
>>97732003Gravehate,
>>97731426Thank you, anon. I really mean it. It's definitely what you said it would be, a more modern and leaner interpretation of what I made the deck to be back in 2010. I'll probably slowly come around and get to that point, but for now I'll slowly tweak it with your deck saved to compare.So now tell me what was your first EDH deck and when? Do you still have it?
>>97732003Are they landfalling nonbasics? Hit them with price of progress.
I'm all for letting precons not get their lands blown up, but MLD should be bracket 3.
>>97732236MLD makes people seethe, therefore it's based.
If mods just changed UB into UwU it might save these threads.
>>97731968I can’t believe there’s actually people who don’t build their own decks. I get that pre constructed decks and bracket 1 are for super n00bs and very casual but who wants to just copy a deck and run it? Deck building and researching cards, crafting and then setting it pay off is like THE magic experience.
>>97732350No reason to build your own deck in bracket 2
>>97732003Lightning bolt, fireball, commander with flying and trample. I think blood moon is fair in bracket 3. You shouldn’t be relying on non basics to be able to play your deck.
>>97732003It's, ah, simpleWe, uh, kill the landfall player
>>97732351I take the “game changers” out of my bracket 4 decks and they’re fun in bracket 2. Bracket 2 is no pre-cons. Net decking is for literal gaylord’s. The bracket shit is dumb though. B1 should be precons and nothing from the GC list. Bracket 2 should be 5 points of cards from the GC list. Bracket 3 should be 4 cards or 10 points. Bracket 4 is a higher limit still but with a ceiling still. Bracket 5 is for infinite combos and unlimited points or GC. When they replace the GC list with points it will be a lot better
>>97732380Bracket 2 is the precon bracket and all precons are meant to be bracket 2. There for it is pointless to build some 300 dollar bracket 2 deck just to be on even footing with the 40 dollar elemental precon. You're paying several times as much just to be a special snowflake.
I think the best way to handle the bracket system is to have something called Brules Rules - If your deck has this card, it means you aren't playing around and are playing to win. >Will of Leremy[0]You may reveal Will of Leremy before the game starts, put it in your hand. You may reveal this card from your hand, graveyard, or even if it's face down in exile or in your library, if you do, you may have a card in your hand become a copy of this card, then Choose one or more. Exile target permanent, spell or ability.Draw 2 cardsAdd 2 mana of any colorBrules Rules - You must shove this card up your ass, and it must go up completely into your rectum. At the end of turn, you may pull it out.
>>97732246Based. Especially if you play Ruination and Price of Progress.
>>97732404Cri moar. Bracket 1 is what you’re describing. Bracket 2 decks don’t cost that much, $300 is crazy. Whatever you pay for cards is irrelevant my bracket 3.5 deck has a volcanic island in it (not a proxy). Over all the years I’ve had it and modified it with different newer or older cards it cost less than $200. The main point is they need to switch to a points system because bracket 3 is pointless and arbitrary
Bracket 1 > $100Bracket 2 > $300Bracket 3 > $700Bracket 4 > $1500 Bracket 5 no limit
>>97732489Prices are irrelevant because if you’re not a zookie zoom you probably have old cards that went up in price. And MTGO is way cheaper than real life. I have a time twister in all my decks that play blue. Having bayou or volcanic island from when they’re like $40 is nothing crazy but time twister was always expensive in paper.
>>97732470Based. I think card - to - rectal insertion is a serious future mechanic than has a TON of potential
>>97731615The sol ring is the only one to have a sword on it, which means I can put it in my "only cards with sword art" deck.
>upgrading Yuna finally>torn between making it hyper focused on shitting out a combo and playing it with good synergy cards for more casual play
>>97732489>my 14th doctor deck is now bracket 4based. Thing is probably high bracket 2 in power at the very best of times.
>>97732489Price=power isn't really true these days. Especially in the age of alt chase rares and shit like SLD. The 300+ dollar Super Shredder is no better than the 30 dollar one. There's an older SLD Sol Ring that goes for 120+ fucking dollars.
anyone got any suggestions for silly, gimmicky mono-white decks? I've been trying to find a fun one so I can have fun decks of each colour I care about. Right now I have morph spam for green, pipe bombs for red, and zombie sac shenanigans for black.I was thinking about doing airbending, but do you have any better ideas?
These faggots seem fun and abusable.
How do you guys feel about "theme" decks where the commander just says "play all the cards of this mechanic"? Like Adventures or Vehicles?
