Dungeon EditionPrevious: >>97727975>Most recent banlist updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.comhttps://www.pdhrec.com>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM (embed)>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: Do you run a gimmick keyword or mechanic in your deck?
Today, I shall remind them
>>97735651Damn FF had 100 legends? That's a 100 more recognizable and profitable characters than mtg has!
>>97735273Zada itself is a gimmick deck
>>97735676You posted that exact same bait last time!! :D
>>97735765Reused bait? Yes that's exactly what graphschizo deserves
>>97732687I have 43 mono white decks, there's a lot of them that are gimmicky and silly. Here's the silliest amongst them:>Stiltzkin bad gifts>Rune-tail Templar Knights>Katarina // Prava Letter P tribal>Partnerless Alisaie Storm>Kentaro Combo>Soraya Birds and Banding>Jo Grant Cycle control>Yes Man Mill>Linn Sivvi Task Force Combo>Crovax Life Swap
>>97735789Do you actually have any of these decks or are they just lists you play on cockatrice or whatever
>>97735789Paper decks? If so, that is some incredible autism, anon. >>97735881>cockatriceThere is something I haven't heard in a while. I recently downloaded it again and tried to bring my deck over from Arkidekt into it, but I can't figure out how to bring the edition of the card over so it looks like my deck. Is that possible or do I have to manually change each card in Cockatrice?
>>97735777>post a graph containing objective reality>UBbaitfag starts screaming “schizo”You lost
>>97735929FF characters > MTG characters correct
>>97735881>>97735908They are all paper decks, no proxies. Things have changed since I took this photo last, like swapping Alisaie for gandalf.
>>97735938Doesn't it get boring running the same package of white staples over and over again?
>>97735908Card inages on cockatrice are local. Images load based on the priority of their set, which you can change in the set manager.
I come to you in a time of peculiar need.I wish to build a themed deck around the band "Powerwolf". This means Clerics, Knights, Priests, and most importantly Werewolves, Dogs, etc.I was thinking the colours should be (w)(b)(r), but I am very inexperienced in building commander/edh decks. I have a group of friends who wants me to play with them through tabletop simulator, so money isn't really an issue. Neither is wether it'd really be a viable competetive deck, I'm all about themes and vibes.Anyone got any ideas? I'd like to learn to build Commander/edh decks while I'm at it. I'm used to the traditional 60 cards decks so it's been a headache to figure out how this format works.
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>>97735789Can I see the Stiltzkin list anon? I wanted to make funny little moogle but everything I tried was really shitty.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>TQDoes Earthbend count as a gimmick?
>>97736064You could probably run this guy
I'm going to give you guys super super secret deck tech. Don't always use the most popular and efficient finishers. Use lesser known ones that are still powerful so your opponents will either not be familiar with them or know their capabilities or underestimate them because you're not using something like Craterhoof.
>>97735946No. I feel like it helps me sharpen my white with decision making, and I wouldn't do this if I got bored of it.>>97736171Pic related. If you're wondering about why they have "moog" and "core" it's because I do modular decks were 60 cards are the "staples", 35 of them being lands/mdfcs the rest are spells most mono white decks would run, I've posted it here before, makes it convenient to swap between decks. Don't need a 44th PoE.
>>97736261Makes perfect sense. Anything fancy in the core 60 I should be aware of?
>>97736261Do you have a list of your core white cards? White is a color I've neglected quite a bit, so following your method might make building a mono-W deck to break into it a little easier.
I mostly hover in the bracket 4 category and am looking for a new artifact deck that isn't 4 color breya slop. How's Pic related? I've also been playing ob nixilis as my competitive deck but haven't updated it in a while if someone's got any cool new tech. My favorite deck has probably been henzie with zero tutors or game changers. It's probably technically a B2 but maybe plays stronger than most precons.
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>>97736396If it ain't a 4/5 im playing a 1/2. Bracket 3 is the worst.
>>97736415It wasnt the brackets. It was your opinions in your post. Brackets can be ignored, faggotry is eternal.
>>97736388she's fun imo I don't really know about this bracket rating stuff though
>>97736427I've been a fag here for more than a decade. Embrace the gayness anon.
What's the actual good mtg custom card maker? All of the top hits are just trying to funnel you into buying prints of your custom cards and they suck ass
>>97736441No thanks Mr. Butt Parasites. But I will happily take your scalp no matter the format as an example to others for your hubris and poor taste.>t. Unionized Member of the Grixis artifacts and stax alliance
>>97736488Mishra artifacts looks kino af. Thanks anon
>>97736496Personally I am a monocolour specialist, but I respect your choice. Jhoria is what you want though. The historic draw cards one, not the suspend one.
Post decks.
I have a Young Wolf with a +1/+1 counter on it about to dye in some wayI flash in the new Rhys to give it persistonce all triggers finish, I have a Yong Wolf with a +1/+1 counter on itcorrect?
>>97736577Sure. I made some updates. It's probably the last time the deck will look like this.>>97736597Why do you want to do that? But no, undying has popped off so I dont think you get the undying trigger as well, because when it died it has the +1/+1 on it. Just a regular young wolf is my guess.
>>97736613Sorry I'm drinking and bbqing. Persist happens, but because it had the counter on it, you dont get undying.
>live in austin>commander nights every night but sun/mon>already played fri/tues/wed>played with different people, had alot of fun>definitely gonna go tomorrow>been inside wfm and working out all daydamn, it's a 10 minute drive. should I just go? I feel like a loser if I go so many days
>>97736624Dont. Your living the dream. Enjoy it while it lasts.
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>>97736577Hells yeah anon, fucking sick, glad to see it in paper.
>>97736064building around a stylish theme is a noob trap and unproductive for learning the game. werewolves are sadly dogshit - like, irredeemable dogshit, because of the day/night mechanic.if you want to learn edh:>pick a widely support mechanic and build around that>pick a commander that supplies your deck with a resource for that mechanic (for example, if you choose to play a blink deck, you may want to pick a commander that can blink your stuff, or a commander that profits from being blinked)that's the best way to learn in my opinion.
>>97736613>>97736623sorry, it was a trick question, Young Wolf+persist dies with a +1/+1 counter on it so undying doesn't trigger but persist does, putting it back on the battlefield with a -1/-1 counterthis makes it a 0/0 and it dies to state based actionsbut because it dies without a +1/+1 counter, undying triggers and brings it back with a counter again.
These are all functional decks, 2 are upper 4s. 7 are precons. 2 are monoblack, 1 monoblue, 8 grixis, 2 dimir, 2 rakdosMany are running niche shit like torrent of souls and other odd cards, but I landed a golden chocobo at magiccon and basically have a full suite of lands in all of them
>>97736661dont listen to this fucking retard asshole, only that day/night is a pia mechanic. ONLY play for style. This game is a non-starter when it comes to being competitive. I cannot stress it enough how sad it is seeing people crash out over this game like it's league or something.
>>97736577are we meant to be impressed by your counterfeitsnot real cards, not a real woman
>>97736668Dare I ask what’s in the Butters box?
>>97736680it's not about being competitive. it's about having fun playing a mechanically cohesive deck. if you don't enjoy how your cards interact with each other on a mechanical level, why even play the game? just to look at the funny pictures?
>>97736696https://archidekt.com/decks/17411880/dark_bargainemo morty
>>97736706As funny as it is to imagine him just tapping and untapping infinitely while doing nothing, unfortunately that’s turbo fucking busted. Mairsil or Marvin would love to tap or untap at will
>>97736688think you are just meant to post decks and not be autistic about it
>>97736706>mechanical cohesion over stylewhere did we go wrong
>>97736577What a cool deck. Makes me want to build Intet, always liked her art the most out of all the planar chaos primevals.
>>97736680>muh seat.picI don't zee poker players whine when they're under the gun so why the hell are cedh players so salty about seating
>>97736688Weak bait.
>>97736749for a new player, yes. don't be stupid - you cannot build a stylish deck if you don't know shit about the format. what all noobs end up with is a pile of pet cards that gets pitied by the precon players. you don't just buy a skateboard and immediately run for the half-pipe.
>>97736750Planar Chaos Dragons were peak oldschool EDH. Most if, not all, were the first Legendary creature in their color combination, and thus the only way to play those colors in EDH for a bit. Definitely represented the vibe and battlecruiser fun the format was back then.It's funny that you mention Intet. That's the only one of these I never built a deck around.>Teneb pic above>Numot, mana rocks, MLD, targeted land destruction and counters>Oros, all white creatures, lots of deathtouch equipment>Vorosh, infinite turns thanks to time warp, time stretch, green recursion, black tutors and blue counterspell backup. Vorosh himself as the only wincon
>>97736849not bait. look at those true duals, glossy and highly shiny. edges are bright white with no age seen at all. those are counterfeits, and are not real cards. you aren't a real woman either
>>97735651OH NO NOT MORE CHOICES AHHHHHH
>>97736889I seriously doubt it. The scrubland is miscentered.
>>97736688cry
>>97736903>a 2 to 5 times increase in legendary creatures per set is fine actually>its also fine that the increase in UB commanders is blatantly causing a decrease in non-UB commanders
>>97736924Why is it not fine?
>>97736908they are fake retard.>>97736921take the rope troon, not real cards, not a real deck, not a real player, not a real woman
>>97736931>muh politicsEnjoy the mid east or whatever. You're still crying about cardboard
>>97736924>we should care about the decrease of non-UB commandersThere's no need to be so dramatic nobody cares about mtg lore
>>97736931That's your opinion. And now that it has been shared, keep your other opinions to yourself. They arent exactly in demand.
>>97736939>he thinks trannyism is a political issue and not a mental health issue
>>97736889They are in great condition, but do have age. My bro pulled the scrubland and savannah in the 90s in front of me. Traded for the bayou in 2010. Maybe some of you know, but during that time if you had an iPhone you could get the most lopsided trades in your favor since most people trading didn't know what the cards were worth.>>97736931And why are you so angry? I'm one of the biggest anti-troon people on this site.
I miss coomproxyposting
>>97736929Oversaturating the market for commanders.Inherently pushing UB by just making it statistically more likely to find a UB commander you want to playDevaluing the meaning of legendary by printing Legendaries at common rarityDirectly decreasing the number of in-universe Legendaries for players that play Magic for Magic and not quenchy cabbages Dedicating design space to UB cards when it could have gone to in-universe cards insteadBurning through design space to try to come up with new ideas for an endless river of shitty UB legends (WotC generally does not print the exact same effects on Legendary creatures because doubling up defeats the purpose of the Legend rule in other formats)>>97736942The fuck does lore have to do with it?
>>97736948Yes it is indeed a political issue
>>97736968>The fuck does lore have to do with it?I dunno man why is final fantasy being in mtg such a bad thing to you anyway? It's not like it's outshining the inhouse ip or anything right?
>>97736968>Oversaturating the market for commanders.More choices is good>>97736968>Inherently pushing UB by just making it statistically more likely to find a UB commander you want to playI don't care?>Devaluing the meaning of legendary by printing Legendaries at common rarityI don't care>Directly decreasing the number of in-universe Legendaries for players that play Magic for Magic and not quenchy cabbagesGet some iconic characters and write stories with major characters and no mooks.>Dedicating design space to UB cards when it could have gone to in-universe cards insteadWho cares?>Burning through design space to try to come up with new ideas for an endless river of shitty UB legends (WotC generally does not print the exact same effects on Legendary creatures because doubling up defeats the purpose of the Legend rule in other formats)Evidence?
>>97736978Making fun of flat earthers for being insane is not politicalMaking fun of trannies for being insane is also not political
>>97736979Because I got into Magic for Magic and not Final Fantashit. If you want to go jerk off to chocobos you already had a game for that, I don’t want to see it in my card game>>97736986WoooooahHEY EVERY BODY! EVERY BODY LOOK! THIS GUY DOESNT CARE ABOUT THINGS! IS IT LEGAL TO BE THIS COOOOOOL?If you don’t care then fuck off and die I guess. I don’t give a fuck about the things you care about either, youre not special for claiming not to care, and not caring about something is not a counter argument to people who do careWhen someone kicks your teeth in because you’re an insufferable redditor, I will not care. But as youre crying with a mouth full of blood, I won’t pretend to you that what happened is fine just because I personally don’t care that it happened to you
>>97737023tl;dr also you are mad and your IP is shit
>>97737077>I concedeAccepted
>>97736881Are you gonna build Intet eventually or are you leaving her on the bench?
Is energy just a dead meme in commander? Outside of a few unedited precons like pic rel I have never seen someone play energy
>>97737104>i'm mad and i cant do anythingI'm buying more UB btw
>>97737023>I don’t want to see it in my card gameIts here already, and there's nothing to be done about it, why scream into the void?
>>97737023>Waaaaaahhhh the game about going to different realities went to a different reality I don't like!At least it's not the gay cowboy set, or the lesbian racing set. UW sets have been utter dogshit recently. Magic jumped the shark when Urza killed Yawgmoth.
>>97737155Wacky races was a fun set. People who think otherwise need to take blood pressure meds and stop talking the game so seriously.
>>97737155>THE SETTING HAS A MULTIVERSE SO THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO INCLUDE ALL MY AUTISTIC HOBBIES OR ITS NOT FAAAAAIRHoly shit are you literally 7 years old? Chris Chan logic.Is there any IP with a multiverse that’s allowed to NOT scrap its own settings to promote other IPs under your logic? Genuinely curious.
>>97737167Maybe if vehicles were a fun mechanic. They aren't. Neither is saddle.
>>97737155>multiversePlayed out boring lazy writing at best, blatant cost cutting with tenuous fiat justification for things 95% of the time.
>>97737108If I do, it's going to be a while. I have a Xyris deck in the same colors, and I'm trying to go for the 32 deck challenge before I start repeating colors.
>>97736577I need to get that human token.
>>97737196>Holy shit are you literally 7 years old? Chris Chan logic.Deal with it.>Is there any IP with a multiverse that’s allowed to NOT scrap its own settings to promote other IPs under your logic? Genuinely curious.No, none are safe.
>>97737196>Is there any IP with a multiverseFunny you didnt mention good IP, exactly because mtg is terribad
>>97737282Holy based
>>97737119sam hyde and precon saheeli are moderately popular, by which I mean I've at least seen both of them played. I rarely see the URW fallout precon in places like best buy or comic shops, so it's probably just less popular. IIRC it did have some good designs for the archetype.
>>97737286I would be fascinated to know what you think is happening right now
>>97736624Where in Austin? Dragon’s Lair in North Austin had a bunch of magic players the times I visited, tho I haven’t been in Texas for more than a year (I miss it so much)
>>97737306Bad IP being taken over by good IP, that's what's happening
>>97737196Magic isn't a real multiverse anyway
>>97737350genuine question, do you more enjoy the riling people up or is playing the character more fun?
>>97737377No one in person is "riled up" by UB decks
>>97736295>>97736306Here's the list! Let me know if you think of something, but mono White's strength is in flexibility with card slots, the more flexible with the slot the better.
>>97737377You wouldnt be riled up if i said something completely false.You insist in calling it "bait" but it's just the truth, you yourself can't say anything good about the story
Why does he suck so much
>>97737429Too slow. Dies to removal.
>Pov: you're playing blue
>>97737429Because people don't build him correctly: Sunforger and a truckload of tutors for it.
>>97737519>Noobtrap memeforger
>>97737383I know, I'm not >>97737306even if I don't like UB I'm never going to actually do much more than give people a little bit of grief about playing a UB deck and simply not support UB releases. I've also never really given a particular shit about MTG lore more than the general sense of worldbuilding that cards hinted atI'm just curious what about posting things like >>97737350>>97737388 is actually enjoyable?>Bad IP being taken over by good IP, that's what's happeningis such a wildly out of pocket way to even attempt to make a point that it's obviously taking the piss, which is something only an anally-incensed anon would believe is a real talking point, and would absolutely get even angrier about, but it's just a victory lap because you are already taking the piss and they're already mad. I just don't fundamentally /get/ rage-baiting which is probably its own explanation.
>>97737553>I'm never going to actually do much more than give people a little bit of grief about playing a UB deckNo one does this either IRL
Last thread an anon suggested I try a Zeriam, Golden Wind deck. I was looking around and this one seems like a decent start, though I might cut some of the pricier cards. https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/7426016Any thoughts or suggestions? >>97735604>TQdoes dice rolling count? Mr. House is my favourite deck.
I want to play Mothman but the precon is either sold out or scalped to hell. I can pick up pic rel for MSRP though. Would the deck be good if I just swapped out the commander for Mothman or would that be retarded?>t. stopped playing magic in 2002 and just got back in to it because friend showed me the fallout stuff
>>97737606>mothmanI played against that shit on tuesday for the first time. Holy shit, that was some concentrated cancer.
>>97737615Is he bad? I just like the mothmen in 76
>>97737619he's a mill deck commander. you proliferate rad counters and just watch your opponents hemorrhage their decks out while mothman gets huge.
>>97737326Pat's games is the single best best place for nice store, players of all levels, and packed commander each night. it's off burnet / mopac. go to tlocs around the corner for best sonoran hotdogs
>>97737623that sounds fun though
>>97737619He's the 11th most played commander in a game with well over a thousand commanders. He is extremely strong. Also he's not a mill commander. He is a +1 counter commander that incidentally mills as part of its counter strategy.
>>97737619he's a control finisher. you put enough mill/rad counters in to lull your opponents into thinking you're slow, then you hit them with a 30/30 mothman.>>97737619>I just like [...] 76>
>>97737627to play with, sure. I just got hella frustrated playing against him. Not saying you shouldn't play him, I just hated going against it.But then, I play Mr. House as a commander, so maybe I'm just biased against better commanders.
I recently played MTG for the first time with some friends in the Pauper format. I see Commander played all the time on stuff like Tabletop Simulator and heard it's a much more casual type of format so I figured I'd give it a try and attempt to make my own deck.I really like Mill as an Archetype and just think the little frog guys are neat and saw this commander I decided I want to build around. Can anyone explain how this combo works to me, though? I'm caught up on the Lightning Greaves part. You can just infinitely re-attach Lightning Greaves to Cephalid Illusionist, even if it's already equipped to it, because the equip cost is 0? Is that how that works?
>>97737628>>97737634Ah I didn't really know that. I'd feel kind of bad playing a card with notoriety like that. I already have the Dogmeat deck and people seem to like me playing with him,>>97737634Where is the house deck? I only ever saw four of them and he wasn't one of them.
>>97737650I personally don't think Mothman is OP or even annoying to play against. He's just really popular. Popular does not equal unfun to play against though.Target and kill Mothman. It's not hard.
>>97737628You dont know that. You looked at a single resource.
>>97737657I do know that
>>97737649yeah you just swap greaves between grolnok and illusionist to mill your entire library. thoracle is either exiled with a croak counter because of grolnok or in your hand, you cast her and win.BTW throacle is considered to be a higher power card. this is probably OK for most as a 4 card combo, but it might make people a bit salty or put you higher in the powerlevel considerations than you might be ready for.
>>97737650I don't think there is a mr house precon. He was just in the fallout set. Again, I'm not saying you shouldn't play him. I'm biased. Play what you like. I've built decks entirely because I like the character too.
>>97737650house is the backup commander in the ceasar precon.>>97737667there wasn't a fallout set besides the precons.
>>97737650House didn't have his own precon. He's just a card in the Caesar deck.He's a dice deck if you do build him. I find him annoying to play because you are very much at the mercy of the dice. Even if you have some ability to reroll.
>>97737665>BTW throacle is considered to be a higher power card.Yeah, I understand the "game changers" and whatnot. Most of the lobbies I see being made on Tabletop Sim are for Brackets 2-3/3-4, so I figured I would aim for Bracket 3.
>>97737671well I'm just retarded then. I only built the deck because I saw a youtube short about how Mr. House enables you to roll d20s, and coming from yugioh, the idea of a dice roll deck that actually functions and is FUN was incredibly appealing. I've never even PLAYED a single fallout game.
>>97737678neither have I, anon, I just know enough to make fun of that guy for liking 76
>>97737627It is. I like playing him in a go wide tribal deck though.
>>9773768176 is peak boomercore gaming. it's just 30 y/o guys shooting deathclaws and chatting about collecting doodads for their CAMP. I don't like competitive multiplayer games so it's nice to have a relaxing co-operative game.
>>97737696is it actually playable now?
>>97737702It's still got that patented bethesda jank but yes. The really bad bugs and exploits from release are long gone.
>>97737665>>97737677One last thing I have to ask. Obviously, there's a bunch of other combos that would be able to mill my whole library as well when combined with Thassa's Oracle. Is there some unspoken etiquette or anything to only include a handful of combos? By exiling my Library with frogs and getting croak counters so that I can play the exiled cards, it would only take me exiling a handful of cards until I find a combo that I can mill the rest of my library with.
>>97737663Prove it.
>>97737628>He's the 11th most played commander in a game with well over a thousand commanders.He's the 11th most brewed commander, and a lot of these brews are just wholesale uploads of his precon. EDHrec isn't not an accurate representation of what is actually being played.
>>97737718if you play a bunch of frogs, that'd just be considered tribal or synergy. density of combos isn't usually considered as much of an issue as how easily you can assemble it, at least by the rules. I can't speak for what a playgroup will tolerate.
>>97737760Most of the creatures in my deck would still be frogs of course, I might just have stuff like the combo I previously posted alongside stuff like picrel.I guess it's fine "thematically" since it's all just blue sorceries?
love me some reiterate in the mornin'
>>97737768there's nothing that says you have to "stay thematic," you can play a commander because you like the mechanics.that's probably fine because it's sorcery, 8 mana, and leaves you pretty vulnerable to instantly losing.
>>97737787>there's nothing that says you have to "stay thematic,"NTA but if you're playing commander to be a sweaty tryhard you should probably go play something like vintage
>>97737768These are fine and fair by any reasonable judgement. However, commander players are famously unreasonable and lack judgement. Thoracle is famous as a bracket 5 wincon with similar black effects at one or two mana and instant speed, so you can expect the archetypical little bitch opponent to do a lot of bitching about you using it as a wincon at all.
ok i need some bracket 3 softball baby decks or commanders that are fun and powerful but not too powerful because one of my play groups is being salty.
>>97737832It's hard to give a recommendation without knowing what they've salted at already, but generally anything with a plan of smashing face is fine.
>>97737718The thing is you're running one of basically 3 wincons -Thassa's oracle Labratory maniac or Jace - the latter 2 let you win on drawing with an empty library.It's mostly the speed at which you are able to assemble these wincons, and if that's ALL your deck is going to do that determines how other people will react, which is what >>97737768was talking about. If the majority of your deck is frogs and most of what you'd be playing in a turn would be frogs that give you some extra resouces, having this as a wincon it will be okay, but if it's JUST spells and the combo as "thematic" then people will think you're false-flagging playing normally.I would generally not play a thassa's wincon in casual in large part because of the association it has in general as well as the fact that it's a very abrupt win that can come seemingly out of nowhere on any turn.This said, that's absolutely fine in bracket 3+ from a social standpoint, but people will absolutely (and fairly) get mad at you if you play it any lower than that. especially if your deck is effectively 14 variations of 3 cards that all do the same thing.
>>97737839Played against one of these the other day. It was a pretty fun game without it seeming too busted
>>97737832how do they feel about tribal? Could do squirrels or cats.
>>97737832Have you ever wanted the table to feel like you just sat a loaded gun on your playmat in the middle of a game?
>>97737777blessed quads
>>97737832any izzet storm commander should be able to go off and kill everyone on turn 7-8 if you don't get interrupted, they contractually can't complain because that's the turn someone's supposed to win according to the guidelines.
>>97737976and even then you can always pack counters
>>97736889Watch out everyone detective downs is on the case!
>>97737429>5 mana>only freely equips one piece of equipment once>equipment is voltron strat but cloud wants you to go wide and spread equips out>the in set FF7 character support is generally bad and barely synergizes with cloud Tifa is better anyways just play her.
>>97737841>If the majority of your deck is frogs and most of what you'd be playing in a turn would be frogs that give you some extra resouces, having this as a wincon it will be okayWell, I imagine that's all I would be doing most turns. Playing frogs which, with Grolnok, essentially draw me 3 cards every time they attack to accelerate my draw so I can get all of the combo pieces.Right now I have 27 creatures in my deck including the commander and of those 27, 21 are frogs. Should I add more? I understand this sort of thing is pretty subjective but I figure there are far worse places to ask.
Is this card playable now?
>>97738039This is just Ballynock Trapper or whatever, it's a common archetype that works great in limited but sort of sucks for multiplayer imoLike just run Maze of Ith
I don’t understand how people can play commanders who do t have haste. Such a waste of a turn to cast your commander especially in a 4 player game
>>97738017https://moxfield.com/decks/VpeGMFlXKEOObQEumBmfeQI finished my deck at any rate. I don't expect maybe but one person to look, but hopefully that one person can tell me if I should change anything. I was told by multiple people that people are salty about Thassa or whatever so I included her as my only game changer card, even if the thing I read about deckbuilding for Bracket 3 said you can run up to 3 of them.
>>97736577I haven't taken a new pic of this in a bit. It's not entirely up to date
>>97737602That deck definitely leans much heavier into it being a griffin deck, as you can see from all the griffin and changeling cards. It is definitely a bit different than mine was. There are definitely some updates I could do, but I have since taken it apart. Here is my most recent list, if you want to check it out.https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/white-valduk-zeriam/?cb=1773995200
>>97738291If you’re going to run 1 have changer you might as well run 3. Cyclonic rift is a must have an Rhystic study is a no brainer. Or instead put in the One Ring. But thoracle sucks just take that out replace with another good spell of choice and avoid the hateAlso in your counter spell list I would include pact of negation and blue elemental blast.
Yo, this guy is fun as fuck. Just splashy big spells out the whazoo. I might have to actually put him together in paper.
What's a fun archetype/commander to play if I don't necessarily care about winning but just want to disrupt the game as much as possible for everyone else at the table?
>>97738410I mostly figured I might try 1 game changer instead of 3 so that people might not be so sour about me running Thoracle... but I guess I'll try 3 for now and change my deck accordingly to people's reactions.>But thoracle sucksIt seems like it was built exactly for the type of gameplan this deck is going for though. I could maybe get away with just Jace, but I feel having Thoracle speeds up/improves the consistency of drawing everything needed to combo. If people react negatively to seeing her though I guess I probably will just remove her.
>>97738516Grand arbiter augustin iv and run a ton of counter spells including ones for when you have no mana available that turn like force of will and pact of negation. And enchantments to lock up their shit like dark steel mutation and imprisoned in the moon. And then cap it off with an Armageddon. Also play Serra Ascendant since it is broken in commander and will start out as a 6/6 for 1 mana. Also running Rhystic study and smothering tithe and trouble in pairs to add insult to injury (extra optional taxes)
>>97738543I just don’t think 1 GC makes a deck bracket 3 and 4 doesn’t make one a bracket 4. I came back to MTGO recently and I played my 2018 build a few times until I got up to does on the GC list. Chrome mox was the only one in that deck. The deck was not b3 though. And even putting 5 or so GC ‘s doesn’t automatically make it a bracket 4 power level IMO. The brackets are missing big slots for what are clearly a 2.5 (1 or 2 game changer) and 3.5 space (3-5 game changer’s). The card points system that the Canadian Highlander version of commander uses is much better than an arbitrary list in my opinion. Also bracket 1 being reserved for precons is completely stupid. Who tf buys a deck and doesn’t change some of the cards? Precons should be bracket 0 or bracket- K (for kindergarten because it’s literally for learning how to play nu-magic). Bracket 1- nothing from the game changers list and 3 or less tutors/transmute cards would be a better fit because right now bracket 1 & 2 share the exact same functional space. Wizards of the coast lost the plot a LONG time ago so I have little faith they’ll make the best choices for this format. Bracket 1 exists solely to sell n00bs decks. But yeah and re: thoracle if that’s your wincon then it’s a must have I just think it sucks personally. And blue is one my main colors to play. but any time I’ve lost to it always felt cheap and not like some clever win. And I’ve been losing to empty grave yard shit side the Jace planeswalker World Wake days. But if it seems fun to you to play that then do what you want. Especially if they are sweaty randos you just want to pwn instead of your actual friends you’re playing against. If you play that on MTGO it will probably get you blocked by several players.I would also put in laboratory maniac if you’re winning with an empty deck and that actually feels much less cheap I guess because it’s extra steps. It just less flashy than thoracle.
>>97737606No. Mothman is mill while this one is self mill. Could work but not too worth. The land base is useable though.
>>97738291Oh I just looked again you do have lab man, if it seems fun then do it
>>97738620Yeah, the only thing I'm maybe worried about now is not having enough lands but I don't think there are any cards that I would actually want to cut. I just have to actually play with it now.
>>97738613>I just don’t think 1 GC makes a deck bracket 3 and 4 doesn’t make one a bracket 4.The bracket system is simply retarded
>>97737752>EDHrec isn't not an accurate representation of what is actually being played.incorrect
>>97736577I love insects
>>97738298>sloppa: the deckkys consoomer
>>97738701>Sloppa the deckOh No, no, no. That's THIS one.
>>97738429I run him in my saruman deck, mirrorform around 15 tokens that die to legend rule
>>97736903You’re so right king. Wozards should just print every creature as legendary, then we’d have so many more choices! More good just = more good
>>97738627Yeah I looked again and 31 lands is not nearly enough. Even in mono blue I’d still do like like 35 at bare minimum. In 2 colors I run 36 lands at minimum and in 3 I run 37 minimum. And that’s with “game changer” ramp like chrome mox and mana vault. Definitely add more mana rocks. Chrome mox I put it everything unless it’s a version I craft especially for b2 lobbies. I think a proxy of it in paper is about what it costs online. ($2.50ish). Maybe consider Sky Diamond as well but it comes in tapped. One benefit of running multiple colors is there are 2 mana talismans for each pair. Go to scryfall and search this: oracletag:mana-rock mv=<2 for all mana rocks that are 2 or less. I use lotus bloom a lot with not expensive commanders. There’s also a poor man’s lion’s eye diamond called Diamond Lion which is a creature that dies the same thing (but will have summoning sickness). There’s also a lot more that are 3 mana value but those become a lot less efficient. But if you change that parameter to 3 and other numbers you’ll find others. A 5 rock that I almost always include is gilded lotus but there maybe faster options today to consider (like how arcane signet replaced stuff like star compass and dark steel ingot). But I use it. And if you have a tribal thing there is a (3) rock called something banner that does both. Also, I don’t know every single creature you put on there and my deck building style is my own, but especially in a mono blue deck I would never really put in that many creatures even with a tribal thing going on, so I think you got quite a bit of room to cut maybe like a minimum of 5 to 8 creatures and get that land count up to at least 34 if not 35 if you really are attached to the creatures but a couple more mana rocks, another counter spell or two and really ideally 35 to 36 lands. That many creatures is note of a green thing where they’re helping ramp like llanowar elves and various shamans and Druids
>>97736688He didn't like that post. Don't expose him like that
>>97738985>2 mana talismans for each pair.You mean like Simic Signet? I couldn't find anything else that gives one blue and one green mana unless you're talking about something else.I did find the Banner Cards you were talking about though and included the two that generate a mana.I think the main gameplay is primarily drawing through my deck to get to my infinite self-mill combos, but frogs also seem to have a lot of bounce/counter effects so I ended up including Twenty-Toed Toad and Simic Ascendancy as a sort of alternate win condition, since they seem to have good synergy with cards I decided to run.Eitherway, I cut a handful of cards and could probably find some more to cut if I still have to.
>>97736064Knight exemplar is the first inclusion for any knights deck that’s in white. There’s also quite a few cat knights but I don’t remember much for dog/werewolf knightsGo to scryfall and use the terms you are looking for in the colors you want
>>97739125Oh I guess I also didn’t see you’re playing green but if that’s the case there is talisman of unity for green and blue. And when I meant 2 mana rocks I meant ones that cost 2 to cast. There’s a lot that cost 3 and can produce any mana but they are obviously “slower “ to play. But moss diamond and sky diamond are other ones for single colors.
>>97739177Okay, I have 35 lands now including more of those mana rock cards. Is that enough, or should I be playing more?
>>97739172edh sisters our response?
>>97738690Also, angels.
>>97739236A lot of questionable choices here
>>97739236Commander should be Radiant with that mana base. Flying tribal gives you more flexibility anyway and you'll still mostly be in angels.
What level of giga faggotry is this? From mine or anyone’s pov>random pod, cool dudes, one guy just has a new precon>playing relatively low power>mardu goad/token gifting squall>other guy is bumbleflower>mass removal/control >my chainsaw has 35 rev counters because he keeps board wiping>has 10 commander dmg on each player>can easily win at any point by equipping it to my commander and hitting each player for 40 on attack>dont because the precon player has been getting cucked this entire time>bumbleflower player cyc rifts on precon players turn before he can do anything >then on his turn he plays extra combat exalted enchantment and copies it, wins>laughs in my face that I had the win and missed it since I had conquer’s flail online >cast deflecting palm>crashes out that he won already>tell him I let him win twice then, looked like he needed a win>seethes harder and thanks me for the extra packs>tell him Im a whale and I dont open peasant boosters>give my lorwyn pack to the precon player, opens a blood cryptI think I discovered a new way to rage bait competitive players
How does one enjoy youtube or twitch mtg content? I always fall asleep during gameplay and brewing videos are like watching a retard do a normal thing in the most retarded way possible.
Would you consider something like literally any of the mill half your library cards + riverchurn monument to be too strong for bracket 2? I'm already not running Bruvac
You're both fsggots
>>97739248I am trying to go hard on the angel theme, pretty much everything that's not an angel creature either has art or a quote from/of an angel.It's less than optimal. Also there are more plains but it's all repeats of the same 4 and then one phyrexian, but that's probably obvious. >>97739263I was planning on making Radiant as a pauper commander since my LGS has a bit of a scene for that.
>>97739371no, but I also hate the bracket 2 snowflakes.
>>97739370https://youtu.be/s9vXVPriYAowatching these guys crash out and get drunk is pretty funny while I work
>>97739378Pauper commanders have to be uncommon
>>97739418Radiant, Serra Archangel, the one that cares about flying creatures that the other anon was talking about, is an uncommon.
>>97739318damn, a guy boardwiped 35 times?
>>97739418I am not sure how commander legality is determined in pauper edh because it is a meme format but if they count mtgo shit I guess this one is legal as well.
>>9773944235 counters = 35 creatures died
>>97739450I have been told she counts so I have been building a pile of cheap common flyers.
>>97739452mm, I see. it seems that you don't know how to play the game. I would even go as far as call your story entirely fabricated
>>97739470>one or moreI'll admit to having misremembered the card in my haste to correct someone I thought was wrong on the internet, but what makes you think I'm that guy?
Can someone explain to me like a retard how this card works?When you cast the exiled spell does it then go to your/your opponent's graveyard or something?
>>97739488even so the original anon most likely doesn't either unless each wipe killed the creatures separately. he sure gave the win to the alleged other player since he cheated from the get go
>>97739496Casting the spell has it go to where it would normally go upon resolution if it were cast in any other way.
>>97739496You exile a spell on the stack, this "counters" it even if it was uncounterable.Depending on the roll you then get to cast that spell for free, or for its cost but converted to needing any colour of mana (or colourless)You still can only cast it in the same timing, so if it was a sorcery it's only castable during your turn, ect.When you do cast it, it will go the it's owners graveyard which will be whoever brought the card in their deck. That will usually be the person who cast it but there might have been shenanigans.
>>97739318You sound like the biggest fag in the story to be honest.Playing a high power deck in a low power pod is a dick move but having a win on board and not going for it is rude and condescending. Bragging about being a whale and pulling the 'I just let you win' card is also top tier faggotry.
>>97739527excellent, let the hate flow through you. I wanted to let the new precon player have fun and do his thing, but the bumbleflower player decided to cyc rift on that player's turn. Maybe if the bumblefaggot who tried to taunt me over missing a win kept his mouth shut, I wouldn't have needed to reveal anything.
>>97739507it doesn't even matter, I never equipped it. It would closer to 10 or so counters.
>>97739318>giga faggot sits and refuses to end the game with his commander>someone else goes for the win>does it resolve? yes? gg>nice, I managed to sneak it through >gigafaggot ummmm actually I was sand bagging>I just chkse to sit like an idiot and spectate the match>well, thanks for the packs I guess
>>97739318Of all the things that never happened, this never happened the most
>>97739579>want to let the precon player play the game since it's supposedly a 2>bumbleflower that cyc rifted the precon player then taunts me about how I missed a winI'm genuinely impressed at the anti-social tendencies you people have in a social format, is that why you sympathize with the player who pub stomped for a few dollar boosters?
How does a card like this work if you're running permanents that reduce the cost of casting instants/sorceries? Would it reduce the 3 blue cost of the spell or is that always something you have to pay?
>>97739635@Grok what did he mean by this?
>>97739641If it's reducing by generic mana, you can add that to the x which is always generic manaThere are very few cards that reduce coloured mana but if you had something like Eluge out, that would reduce the coloured mama needed and you could get it down to be free.Also here, this might be usefulhttps://scryfall.com/search?q=otag%3Acost-reducer-instant-sorcery&unique=cards&utm_source=tagger
>>97739675So every effect that reduces the generic mana cost contributes to the value of X?
>>97739579You get packs for playing commander? Oh, but there's a fee by the lgs or something. Because you win nothing at my lgs but you can show up, buy nothing and just play
>>97739686You could have 5 cards that reduce the cost by 2 each for combined reduction of 10 and chose to have the X in the cost be anything between 0 and 10. You are not forced to max it out but you are fully able to.
>>97739641the steps of a spell aremove the spell to the stackchoose modes (this includes X)pick targetsdecide 'divided as you choose'check if all choices are legaldetermine the cost of the spell. "The total cost is the mana cost or alternative cost (as determined in rule 601.2b), plus all additional costs and cost increases, and minus all cost reductions."you may activate mana abilitiespay the cost of the spellso you choose what X is, since X is one value in several places on the card, that same value replaces all instances of X, including mana costyou decide that X is 5 or something, which means the mana cost is 5UUU. then you apply increases and reductions, which means it's reduced by 2 or by U or whatever your reduction is.abilities that reduce mana costs by generic numbers can never reduce them by colored pips. abilities that reduce mana costs by pips can technically reduce them by generic costs, but all but one card currently has a specific restriction saying 'This effect reduces only the amount of colored mana you pay.'
>>97739686They’re confusing you in the way they’re wording it.When you have an X effect you nominate a number first, then you pay the cost. So a spell that has X in its cost is treated as whatever number you choose.If you choose for X = 7, then it is 7, and the cost reducers apply before you pay the cost, as normal
>>97738688Its okay that you don't understand how the site works.
>TQkinda. one of my first decks was a cooking themed deck because "lmao I make food". little did I know, Rocco is actually a top tier commander and not gimmicky at all.my real gimmick deck is runo krakenstorm
>>97735604Built a deck with Gra'ha Tia, where the gimmick is casting spells with bigger cmc than what they actually cost to get big tokens.https://moxfield.com/decks/sLhQeT03zUWKaJioml8kPQ
>>97739318holy based
>selesnya bunny tribal player has built up a ridiculous army of 10/10s+ and a hexproof gigabunny commander with vigilance and reach while resisting all removal with protection>blink player finally stands up and uses up everything he got to remove the majority of the bunny player's shit>blink player is left with an empty hand, empty board and only his planeswalker commander out>get a lucky cascade chain going myself and cast nearly 10 spells on my turn>sit there with haste, xenagos, moraug, multiple land drops available and a bunch of fat tramplers>only swing at bunny player, then scoop after his defeat, telling the blink player that I couldn't have done it without him>blink player says he scoops as response to my scoop, putting his resignation on top of the stack>I brush it off but he insists I wonI didn't even try to be nice, I thought he legit deserved it for rescuing me from the fucking bunny, but he wouldn't have it
>>97740079>says he scoops as response to my scoopscoop is a sorcery speed action
Thinking about making this guy as an infect deck.>include almost all infect creatures>other goodstuff in these colors, which is a lot>include tons of graveyard recursion to bring back things like time warp, triumph of the hordes, tainted strike etc>tutors, counterspells, ramp>proliferate cardsAnyone else do a deck like this in Sultai? It's going to be bullshit to play against, no matter what, but could surprise some groups.
>>97740199We did it, we broke glarb
>>97740199Well I for one certainly never expect any bullshit when someone throws down glarb at the table brava
>>97739889>tianice, i like it. would you happen to have an emet deck lying around too? B2/B3 would be fine.asdk
Anyone want to chat deckbuilding cedh theory? I dont have to, but I had some thoughts.
This is what a lot of EDH discussions feel like. A whole bunch of NIMBYs not being able to let go of their dear cards because they're what enables their decks. Nevermind the times when it just works for one of your three opponents. In other words, EDH has become too fast and consistent for its own good.
>>97739318>>97739549You are the turbo ultrafaggot in this. Group hug is gay, but sandbagging and giving wins by misplaying then getting mad about someone noticing is holier than thou energy. Given the game you're describing, you may be competent enough to play better decks, but you will certainly lose to better players. Dont be condescending.
>>97740095Scoop is actually an (imaginary) enchantment which triggers on endstep in 5 turns. You can't do it earlier than that.
>>97740095Never bothered to look up if this ever happened but somebody at my lgs told me a story about a tournament and two people scooping >1st place gets to play in a bigger tournament, that's it, that's the price >2nd place gets a booster box and some other crap, store credit etc.>Neither of them want to go to that other tournament and want the physical prizes instead >One guy wants to scoop>His opponent scoops in response
>>97740482I use rhystic study in every deck that has blue in it.I wouldn't give 2 shits if it was banned, and honestly it would be for the better.Having good cards is great, adjusting your deck because something was forced out of it is fun.
>>97740551>I use rhystic study in every deck that has blue in it.Any card that you feel compelled to include in every deck it can be in should probably be banned. If a card is so good that it's auto-include regardless of what type of deck it is it's probably too good.
>>97740753I'd argue this for sol ring and arcane signet, but probably not Command Tower.
>>97740753To a limit. Swords to Plowshares is in almost every white deck, don't think it needs to be banned.
Teysa looks like a hooker
>>97740778What's her prices?
>>97740785Your soul for a titifuk.
>>97740496legitimately fail to grasp this takeSee this? >laughs in my face that I had the win and missed it since I had conquer’s flail onlinegame is over. He's gloating like a bitch and calling me stupid that I missed a win>cast deflecting palmI could kill him with his own 30/30 bumbleflower, but chose not to because I just didn't care and he attacked me first, making the game go on even longer since he just cyc rift'd this round>crashes out that he won alreadyHe then rules lawyer that the game is over, and I can't deflecting palm. >tell him I let him win twice then, looked like he needed a winafter his little fit, I just concede that the game is over, and I let him win twice
>>97740795Her tits aren't that big. cringe and gay
>i sure love modern haircuts on my magic cards!
>>97740753>>97740760>>97740765I think it's a good starting point for cards that generate value and move you forward currently. Sol-ring is the perfect example that just catapults you forward. Ancient tomb and a few others are similar while rhystic study either slows your opponents down really hard or draws you a ton.1-for-1 removal cards are usually auto-includes, but hardly have an impact. They can even be dead cards.
>>97740855That's a pretty fair analysis.
>>97740808She used Giant Growth on her tits. That's an extra charge btw
>>97740753Basic lands should be banned, you're right
>>97740898You're well aware that basic lands were not included in that statement.
>>97740807Anon, if you are playing incorrectly on purpose, he is correct to make fun of you, and you were the one throwing a fit by having a gay gotcha you should have used but reserved to one-up some guy who correctly told you that you were playing wrong. Every single choice you made is gay and retarded.He's a faggot for gloating. He's also a faggot for playing group hug. A double faggot. But you're fagoptimus prime, gay avatar of faggot robots, arch duke of supreme faggotry, for being a condescending bitch faggot, then instantly doing a heel turn rather than showing humility for your intentional concessions.
>>97740923>you have to take the game seriously 100% of the time or else you're a faggotlmao
>>97740932Yes, actually. You were playing wrong. Not like accidental misplays, but intentionally doing something you knew was wrong. And you did take it seriously. The game was over and you tried to one up a guy after it was over, then did some elaborate still let him win crap. That's either serious or flippant, and neither of them was as nonchalant as you're pretending.
>>97740760Command Tower and Arcane Signet both kind of solve a problem inherent to the format which is just not having enough duplicate options of core mana producers to run duplicates in every single color combo in a singleton format. Sol ring is just too aggressive and swingy though. Signet is not a problem on its own.
What are some fun commanders that came out in the last 3 years? Or any older commanders, that got more fun with newer cards? I haven't played in a while.
>>97741060Too many to possibly list. What kind of archetypes do you like playing?
>>97741066I had the following decks "back in the day": Dakkon, Darien, Eligeth/Siani, Prosper, Nicol Bolas,...
Maybe, but your more sad for trying to get goodboi points from 4chan
>>97740778That's because she is one.
>>97741179he cute
Why is this ok but >>97741179is considered trash ruining magic?
>>97741270Because blading is radical and video games are for losers.
>>97741290I can accept this, I concede
>>97741036You cant say edh is a casual format but at the same time be mad at sol ring for being too swingy, swinginess is a distinctly casual thing because it makes even the dumbest player have a god draw and win, you gonna deny the downs person a chance to stomp in a children's board game?
>>97740753>I use rhystic study in every deck that has blue in it.You bet I do just like the godfather did, you're going to make a dead man spin in his grave?But dont fret i follow brackets, rhystic is only in my b3+
>>97741270I think you will find aetherdrift is also a heavily criticized set for reasons including mechanical, tonal and lore concerns.>>97741290Also a good answer.
>>97737119There's a bunch for it. You just have to put up with some oddities with it. I just hate that one of the better mechanically looking energy guys for it is some fuck I have no idea about.
>>97739248Like?
>>97740079>xenagosbased
>>97741559There have been robots in magic since forever. The tone of MTG is retarded. A couple of roller blades are the least of its problems.>B-but they're magical artifact robotsWow, how convenient. It's tonally retarded still. Those are magical artifact roller blades. Problem solved.
>>97741695Day of judgement instead of Wrath, Serra's Sanctum with 8 enchantments in the deck, platinum angel, coat of arms, moon veil spear, holy cow to name a few
>>97741899Isn't platinumand coat of arms good for that kind of deck?
>>97741916Coat of Arms is for decks that go wide. Because angels are generally expensive, if you have 4+ angels on the board at a given moment you are already doing very well and the minimal bonus that Coat of Arms provides is not likely to make a meaningful difference. You play Coat of Arms and similar effects in Elves or Goblins where you can shit out 5 1/1 tokens in a turn or two and turn them all into dangerous threats. You don't use it to give three creatures +2/+2.Coat of Arms specifically is also symmetrical and may help your opponents.
>>97741916No platinum angel is a bad card but makes Timmy lose his mind. Same with coat of arms because it's guaranteed you die in the crack back if you don't kill or someone fogs. Some times overruns can result in you losing but coat guarantees it. It's also annoying to keep track of power toughness and extends the game not by gameplay but by admin mathematics.
>>97735604I've had a Dimir Assassins/Ninjas/Rogues deck for a while but I've had a hard time getting the bits and pieces to work together. Assassins and Rogues kind-of help Ninjas with some unblockable options to ensure Ninjutsu, which can help with freerunning to get out more assassins, but somehow it never seems to follow through. I'd typically be using Ezio, Blade of Vengeance as commander, occasionally trying Ramses, Assassin Lord. Are there any good options for trying to get a bit more interactivity between the three types I'm aiming toward, or would it be easier to just filter out Ninjas or Rogues or both and just streamline for Assassins?
Bend the knee to the queen of mono green
>>97742102You didn't post an image of Lumra. Try again
>>97741953One of the reasons why MTGO is the way to play…all power/toughness combos automatically update the cards’ p/t display and they do all the math instantly and correctly, keep track of counters properly, etc
>>97742126Lumra is a bear you homo
>>97742220lumra is a female bear you sexist
>>97740778In canon she's a hooker who was being pimped out every night to Ravnica's elite by her handler/adviser and Ghost Uncle Karlov. She was under hypnosis and did not remember any of it during the day.>source: the Guildpact novel
how fun is golgari/azban lifedrain? I want to give that toughness matters lifegain snake partner commander a try, but I'm on a budget (the lower the deck cost, the more respect you earn in our pod), and I had mixed experiences with betor before.
>>97737429I play him as a Living Weapon/For Mirrodin/Job Select deck that offloads the dead bodies onto him and get draw power. It's enjoyable enough, but Jimmy Ray Jetmir Catdog might be better for consistency.>>97742094I like Etrata for field presence, which also helps with getting through for freerunning/ninjutsu. I dunno if Rogues are doing enough though.
>>97742230You're right, I should have called you a furry homo.
>>97740482I don't even put Sol ring in my decks because it's such a shitter card. The cold hard truth nerds will never accept is that every bracket should have it's own ban list.
>>97741270UB and it's aesthetics are ruining magic! They have no place beside Magic settings!Huh what's that? New Capenna, a 1920s art deco plane? Never heard of it! Thunder Junction the cowboy world? You're delusional that place doesn't exist! Duskmourne? As if Magic would make an 1980s nostalgia plane based on vhs horror films! Whacky Races taking place in Kaladesh like some gay Mario Kart spin off?! Get out of here! Gay dragons? Trannies in Tarkir? Bargain bin Pikachu rip offs?! You're delusional that all sounds like awful UB shit not superior in house Magic products!
>>97742487Comments like this are always amusing. Its just a cop out you can lean on when you lose."I didn't really lose, because that faggot ran sol ring, and since its a shitter card, he's a shitter and my win rate is still 100%"
>>97742549it's great how japanese artists can make even shitty characters like loot and the last ride look cool
>>97742102For me, it's Jap princess.
>azusacommander for whites>jeetfacommander for browns
Here's my first ever go at trying to construct a Commander deck since my friends asked me to make one for Tabletop Sim.https://moxfield.com/decks/YUgUNsfneUu9cZzjbKWkQwI'm not sure about the bracket splits, I just like dragons and wanted to make a big dragon deck. Is this viable? I tried to balance in as much ramp as I could without starting to really eat into the dragons themselves, but the earliest I can drop a dragon seems to be turn 3 or 4.
>>97742765this is a perfectly fine bracket 2 deck>run more dragons that kill stuff (drakuseth, balefire dragon)>run more boardwipes and removal in general so you can get to your dragons>add haste enablers (where's dragon tempest?)
>>97742779balefire was in there, slapped in Drakuseth and dragon tempest. Unsure of good boardwipes and removal. I used to have Chain Reaction in there. I'm assuming I have too much ramp in, and I can cut into that a little bit.
>>97742833i don't advise heavily ramping into dragons, because then you're better off with eldrazi; instead you can run "utility" dragons like picrel that serve as removalas for wipes there's sweltering suns, starstorm, and fuel the flames, wipes that don't hurt your dragons while cycling when not needed
>>97742849forgot pic lol
>>97742849Counterpoint: only faggots play troondrazi
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>>97742888Trvke.
>>97742849>better off with eldraziRight, but not everyone wants to chug semen.
if eldrazi are for fags, whats the straight deck
>>97742924Goblins
>>97742924Saprolings
>>97742924waifu.dec
>>97742930>t. low iq coomer>>97742935>t. medium iq coomer>>97742934>t. rich normal white man
>>97742939>colorless monsters with multiple appendages bad>green monsters with multiple appendages good
>>97742944the green is what counts!
>>97742930based>>97742934based>>97742935based
https://moxfield.com/decks/xw7R2IOY20u4A7v6moQD1QI tried making a deck for Bracket 2. I think this is fine? I don't know how much card draw I actually need to run with Mathise as my commander but I think I should have enough lands.
>>97742566Really stupid actually. It's supposed to be just loot. Jap is supposed to draw loot and draws an additional character instead. Fucking retarded
>>97736903>more choises>every deck end up looking the same
>>97742939>t. larping jeet
>>97743008That's been the case since 1993
>>97743008Only if you insist on putting all "the best" stuff into your decks. You could try limiting yourself and going for a theme instead.
>>97743061my theme is not being a losing cuck
>>97743074>putting Saurons Cock Ring in your deck>not being a cuckPick one and only one faggot
>>97743086Much like your anus, if you have to try and stretch it that much just to make it fit, you're probably a faggot.
>>97743032>t. projecting troon
>>97743093>>97743074calm down cuck
So uh, how's it gking?
>>97743334just copied ensared by the mara 27 times and villained it up at the table, life is good
>>97743334>gking
>>97742552>caring about win ratesShitter detected. I remove shitter cards because it leads to shitter games. I'm playing to have fun. I get enough wins in the rest of my life.
>>97743450based and funpilled
>>97743450high iq anon detected
>>97743450ok so let the sol ring player win a children's card game and you can have the moral victory in a children's card game, what's wrong with that?
I recently got back into this thanks to a friend, was thinking of actually trying to play at an LGS. How bad of an idea is this?
What's the best site for buying foreign printings of cards?
>>97743467It's not about morals. Its boring. Would you have fun playing Clue where you already knew who the suspect was every single time before the first dice roll? What about an FPS where everyone else dies from 2 hits but you can take 4 or more?A better in game example: Teferi's Protection vs Clever Concealment. If I use Teferi's Protection, I'm basically invincible for a turn. I don't have to worry about anything, I cast it, I go take a piss. Boring as hell. Clever concealment on the other hand...my board is safe, but I'm not. Can I build around it? Do I save it and hope that maybe a board wipe won't come? Do I politic and beg the next guy not to push my bussy in while I have nothing up to block? Should I throw in creatures with flash to give me blockers if I play it on someone else's turn? There's way more thought and complexity and excitement around using a good card vs using a busted one. And that's all I want. I want to play a fun exciting game that requires some actual thought and strategy. Someone relying on design mistakes because they NEED to win is just sad and pathetic behavior that they should've grown out of in their teens.
>>97743784I get where you're coming from and would like to trim down on the Sol Rings in my decks when I can, but I'm curious what rocks/ramp you are running. Is it just Talismans and Signet?
>>97742487In one of my groups we also don't play sol-ring (or any fast mana) anymore. And yet some games are still practically over by turn 4 or 5, it's insane.
So, if you satisfy the conditions, this card wins you the game even if blocked right? I imagine the attack has to actually go through but something like Fog wouldn't be able to prevent the win?
>>97744376how can there be a block when you win the game during the declare attacker step?
>>97740482People already throw fits over their crutch cards going on the GC list.>Nooo my Vivi/Kinnan deck is totally fair! Don't make me play in bracket 3!!!>Nooo I need Deflecting Swat holding 1 mana open for this is too hard!!!The poor self-assessment of Commander players is exactly what drives away people from this game and makes it fucking unplayable unless you're in a closed group. In a group of 4 random people it takes 1 person to kill the vibe which is a strong argument for more regulation, not less. The whole point of a banlist is to clamp down on cards that become too centralizing yet the average Commander player doesn't want to accept this because "w-well what if I ran this card in a bad deck?" ignoring the fact that said card can also go in a good deck to make it a really good deck. The fact more people were on-board with a Thoracle ban instead of a Rhystic Study ban (both should be banned) tells me Commander players on average do not understand resource advantage, tempo, or even track the gamestate. They'll see someone draw 30 cards and see NO correlation between that and that player winning the game because their brain isn't turned on for most of the game.
>>97744536vivi and kinnan are not on those lists tho so they are perfectly fine for bracket 2also farewell should not be on that list because just let me RAAAPE
>>97744536Pretty much this. Personally I find it interesting how regularly I find myself needing a boardwipe before I even have the resources for it. It shouldn't be that hard to ramp into one even with suboptimal dekcs, but some commanders and cards will run so far ahead so quickly, that even a 4 mana boardwipe can be too late.
>>97744536Gavin didnt want to be drowned in emails about people demanding (commander they hate) should be banned so they dropped the whole kinnan and co. is banned thingBut while rhystic study will forever be a GC for wotc reprint equity reasons there's an easy way to escape it which is to stay at bracket 2 where the vast majority of the playerbase belongs
>>97744682While true, Rhystic Study sharing a status with Coalition Victory (or even Force of Will) is a huge conceptual slap in the face. The gap between the two cards is colossal and it renders bracket 3 into a non-bracket. Now while I'm totally fine with a retard magnet bracket existing that filters out all the idiots, I believe that, conceptually, the format should strive for better than that.
>>97744536I have been throwing out every GC and every overpriced card a year ago and never went back. playing an optimized deck is fun and important, but accomplishing that with strict limits makes victories taste sweet again.
>>97740753Yep. I used to run Mana Crypt in every deck. It got banned, then I cut it. I'd gladly see Rhystic Study banned. Same with Cyc Rift.
This commander is starting to piss me off. It’s mana dork and token tribal, with counters, flickers, and reanimation/value engines of black. Commander comes down t3 easy, and has free counters. Casting free shit is strong, and getting free shit on bitterblossom is a piss off.
>>97741482Because it doesn't promote Timmy winning 1/10 games. It promotes Spike winning 99/100 games with a degenerate play pattern.
>>97745917Was she made to look like Maise Williams?
>>97746042No.
What are your thoughts on playing with 3 players. (I only have two friends.) Are there any special rules for 3 players to make to a better experience?
>>97746099>What are your thoughts on playing with 3 players.It’s annoying but at least it’s significantly better than playing with 5 playersSome strategies get inherently better like control, auras, and aggro>Are there any special rules for 3 players to make to a better experience?No
>>97746099You each start out with 26.66, repeating of course, life.
>>97746303I run this in my golbez deck, absolutely brutal
>>97746353Happy to hear it works well with Golbez. I am looking forward to trying it out.
really hope people abandon spelltable for convoke.game, much better video quality/card ID
>>97747232People just as obviously cheating ass and eating ass there?
Just found my oversized Kaalia and Oros.Is either actually worth building now?
>>97747275that's a player issue. I've yet to encounter rabid BRs there. Generally much higher quality games since it's still relatively unknown.
What are the best cards I can run in blue to avoid getting my shit kicked in for bringing the most annoying deck possible? I recently had a game where I was able to cheat out Forced Fruition super early on Turn 3 but then got ganged up on without enough ways to defend myself.
>>97747354Just run mass creature bounce. That way they have to play all their shit again and draw a million cards.
>>97747354>How do I not get raped in a color that has 40% of the "don't rape me" cards?
>>97747443I had too little mana to not get raped because I had no creatures and didn't draw any lands outside of my starting hand
>>97747472Sounds like you overextended and got punished for it accordingly. Don't throw down huge threats without followup if you can't protect yourself from the ire they'll draw.
Cedh tard here debating between tymna thrasios, tymna kraum, or sisay. I've tried sisay as the path variant but didn't much care for it so moved to blue farm. Blue farm is just incredibly dull to pilot so now I'm looking at tnt cradle or just going 5c chowder sisay or terra. Anyone have input on either way?
>>97747530I think you should a build a deck with your favourite legendary creature so that you can always smile when you look at your deck.
>>97747551My Volrath (the Fallen) deck still sparks joy for this very reason.
>>97747551I've got like 85 other decks where I've done that already but I maintain one to two cedh decks with zero proxies allowed. My 2nd is ob nixilis at the moment.
>>97742930I must respect the goblin chad for hanging tough at the top EDHrec's most played list with a 4 cmc mono red commander at the helm. I look around at the top of the list and nothing else is as old or as crusty as this Krenko. The only other mono color deck around there is Giada who costs half the mana he does and is from a significantly more recent set. This 14 year old card is serving tokens the old fashioned way
>>97735584>>97735584>>97735584Move over.
>>97747472If you're too stupid to hold up mana, add white to get the other 60% of "don't rape me" cards.
>>97735604>tqI am running Fury, Grief, Ingot Chewer, and Shriekmaw + Sacrifice, Culling the Weak, Burnt Offering, and Soldevi Adnate + a handful of Undying Evil type effects in a Kroxa deck. The deck feels a little directionless though since I also have some reanimator stuff, and some discard themed stuff. Kind of want to add some colors to expand on decent evoke elementals. Solitude and blink effects would be nice, and blue is kinda nice for like Quantum Riddler, and Synthesis Pod is funny with evoke elementals or pitch cast spells, plus Mulldrifter and Nulldrifter.
