>>97732960
Yeah Red sells in spite of it's setting, rather than because of it. I'd say alot of it's success comes from the vidya making the IP more popular and the fact 2020 has a long legacy in the TTRPG space.

I think this is kind of the problem desu. Cyberpunk sells regardless of whatever R.Tal shits out, so there's no incentive to improve their product or write books with actual fan interest.

>>97733902
>ignore that no one at RTAL is very passionate about Cyberpunk as a setting.

Yeah, I think this is the sad truth with all the weird side projects they get pre occupied with and attempts to turn Red into a mini game collection.

>>97735636
>TQ
as GM, Street Stories
as a player, 12 Days of Cutiemasand any other source for sanroo

What would realistically cause the downfall of megacorporations? Stronger governments? Economic crisis? A collapse of the global economy due self-replicating hunter-killer submarines?

>>97736056
Playing a different game. The system and lore revolves around a corporate system overgrown, out of control and pervasive in the lives of every man, woman and child ever born on the god-forsaken planet.

There is no "realistic" end to the system that doesn't necessitate such a drastic change in the setting and world that a different rulebook entirely would be a better choice.

>>97735636
>Which DLC have you been using the most?
Night City Weather, Gunmas, Toggle's Temple and All About Agents.

What's the reason for the Red Chrome Legion to exist?
Someone being a nazi in 2045 seems stupid, considering cosmetic surgery is dirt cheap.

>>97735837
At this point I'm 99% sure you're a talsorian just vomiting negative opinions so the contrarians defend your craft.
Anyway If you'd like to discuss the game with a person actually playing it, I'm here for you.

>TQ
NC weather and Drone Homebrew

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>>97737955
There has to be someone making little dark age agartha edits in the dark future

Welcome to Night City 2045 #6 – District Design Rundown
https://rtalsoriangames.com/2026/03/20/welcome-to-night-city-district-design-rundown/

>>97737955
Some being a Nazi in our current year seems pretty stupid, and yet they persist.

>>97738412
I'm bored as fuck of this game and a new book doesn't come out for months.

Nothing to do but bitch.

>>97737955
They were in 2020 so they had to be in 2045.

Good to see the 'media literacy' crowd out in full force.

>>97737955
What's that anon? A gang established literally by Reich LARPers have inconsistent motivation and ethos? Say it ain't so. They're violent misanthropes that collectively re-contextualize whatever they please as being necessary for the establishment of their own 'perfect order'. The idea that someone could change their skin tone or ethnicity trivially (not really, bodysculpting is accessible, but it isn't cheap) would be more aggravating to them because their 'subhuman enemies' could conceal their 'true nature' behind treatments and grafts.

>>97741907
Here's your gold star, you can stick it to the inside cover of your printed out Hope Reborn PDF. It's hard to these days find people who take a stand on the issue of "Neonazis and bionic supernazis are both pretty bad things to be".

>>97742402
Actually a little valid, but more importantly: There was no reason to take them out. Night City can't be all full of misunderstood wholesome big-chungus gangs, sometimes you need a guy with a full face mask and a machine gun that you won't feel bad about dissenting on his views on apartheid and eugenics with a 60mm Recoiless Rifle when he and nine of his best friends are robbing a bank.

Are there rules for playing an engram in a borg body or gemini? 2020 or red, doesn't matter which.

>>97743178
There wouldn't really be a functional difference in RED other than whats inside your biopod, which having someone crack it open to see kinda kills you... so...

>>97737955
Maybe they're fans of Evola. He had a three part definition of race - physical, soul (character, style of living, emotional attitude toward society snd the environment) and spirit (Religious experience, sttitude toward Tradition in the sense of pereniallism from Guenon). Maybe it's an acknowledgement of having two outta three ain't bad and a little judicious gene therapy can get you the third. Or maybe they just hate the jews and went to the easiest cultural segment to represent that, which is fair.

Trying to ascribe meaning or consistency to blatant pandering for cultural commissars is a fool's errand.

>>97742541
Why the butthurt?

>>97743351
There's no ass pain here unless you brought it with you. The unironic "my grandpa must have been really into wolfenstein" gang exists so you can shoot the "my grandpa must have really been into wolfenstein" gang.

Asked and answered.

>>97743380
NTA
What?

>>97743487
... The cyberpunk nazis were written in the book so you can shoot them. Is that really hard to get?

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>>97743487
There are no acceptable targets in Cyberpunk RED except for the neo nazi hate gang. Which is why in the most recent official public campaign released 2 years ago by the 4th best selling tabletop RPG company in the world they were the main enemies along with the Bozos (comic relief).

The megacorps allow for wish fulfilment. Biotechnica allows for furries and trannies. Rhinemetal allows for FBCs (in case your dreams are greater than the human frame allows). Megacorporations are evil unless they let you be the you you want to be, in which case we can forgive everything else that they do that's evil.

For some reason the gangs that forcibly chrome people against their will, traffic people against their will for sex work or get them addicted to drugs/gambling, or manipulate PTSD for loyalty are the good guys. The nomads are the actual good guys, and Valentinos can be good guys when they aren't acting like retards.

The only bad guys are the people wondering why canonically in 2077 Night City is only 25% European based off this chart.

>>97743613
>There are no acceptable targets in Cyberpunk RED except for the neo nazi hate gang.

The maelstrom, the bozos, the cops, the tyger claws, the vampires

That's off the top off my head, nogamez, you can make your own gang that need to be culled.

>>97743686
This, and the other gangs aren't magically good people either every day of the week.

6th Street might be 'security', but the only difference between them and a normal protection racket is that they'll actually send people to shut shit down on their turf.

Inquisitors literally kill people for having cyberware. Like torture people and tear it out.

Ironsights are former Arasaka spooks that are just picking fights and stealing shit because their ware has them on a razor's edge all the time.

Maelstrom are equally belligerent fucks because they chrome up even more.

Piranhas are literally a party gang and they STILL beat people up for fun.

VDBs are well on their way to being their 2077 selves complete with beheadings and using outsiders as tissues to wipe the blood off of their machetes.

That's just the dudes in the RED core book that anon here didn't mention.

>>97743613
Jesus, what is it about this game that makes retards hallucinate shit?

>>97743792
Please mention anything cool from the core rulebook. Please. I've forgotten. Was there some cool lore I forgot?

>>97743792
>Maelstrom are equally belligerent fucks because they chrome up even more.
They're also scavenging the hot zone with slave labor. It's funny that nazi-kun is having a melty about RCL in Hope Reborn when Maelstrom are as much the big bad, if not moreso.

So, rtg intern, question: Are you doing any more witcher releases or have you guys sort of given up on that?

>>97744024
It's 1 AM on a Friday in WA, what the fuck kind of intern would be up fielding the schizophrenic malcontent crowd for a tabletop pretend game?

Settle your fucking schizophrenia, if some retard is up this late doing damage control this petty they'd have to be doing it for love of game.

>>97744160
Yes, hello, intern, I mean you. Or marketing company drone, whatever.

>>97743977
The corebook is in the OP, read it yourself
>>97743875
The
>the people wondering why canonically in 2077 Night City is only 25% European based off this chart
makes me laugh because this man-bringing all of his mental processing power to get to this conclusion- thinks that the existence of a roll table is the exact demographics of night city.
/pol/ really rots the brain, huh?

Any of you guys done a Deep space Campaign?

If so, what's some media you took inspiration from apart from the Obvious; (Aliens).

>>97744218
>the Obvious; (Aliens).
>not the last section of Neuromancer

>>97744218
I've wanted to for a while. At least a game in a colony/space station

Has anyone heard of cybepunkclon01? Seems they're trying to streamline the 2020 rules but I don't have my book handy to compare. Are they any good?

>>97735636
It's a real pain to find people in the local TTRPG scene who are into cyberpunk (either 2020 or red).

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>>97744218

New supplement/DLC dropped.
Tech Upgrades

>>97749562
Remember to link, Anon.
https://rtalsoriangames.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/RTG-CPR-DLC-InventedTechUpgrades.pdf

>>97750034
Fixed
https://rtalsoriangames.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/RTG-CPR-DLC-InventedTechUpgradesv1.1.pdf

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Is it possible to destroy the internet again in 2070? I have a player who wants to follow Bartmoss' footsteps and he threw that idea at me on a downtime session. My game does not follow the setting to the letter, theres a bit of Night Edge thrown into it because my group decided to follow some conspiracy theorists.
There is likely the Blackwall stopping him, but I don't know how it would work if someone wants to totally destroy it and everything else behind it. Netwatch would probably be on his side?

>>97750837
You would need to get creative because the Blackwall EXISTS because there is the old net they couldn't destroy full of lost data goodies and murderous AIs.

Could you destroy the citinet or regional net of a place? Probably. Netwatch would want to kill you for even floating the idea: Their job is to try and keep people safe from the old net and stabilize what they've managed to scrape back together only after decades of hard work and losses. There's probably some room for intrigue among people in Netwatch, but generally they DON'T want to go back to the stone age.

In short anon; there are two answers to your question: "Can I kill the internet?" They are either "No", or "Yes-- and in this publication and others I will discuss how as part of a multilateral approach we will achieve this outcome."

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>>97750837
>everything else behind it. Netwatch would probably be on his side?
if that player could somehow create tech that could specifically kill off all of RABIDs and the other AIs, sure. There could be a corp or a section of the government that will chase the player to the ends of the earth because they would rather the world wallow on misery than have a dramatically good thing happen, or buy up the net for themselves because of the power vaccum is left open.

>>97751479
>buy up the net for themselves because of the power vaccum is left open.
Didn't netwatch nuke ziggurat out of the face of earth after finding out ziggurat wormed their way on doing this between red and 2077

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>>97752486
ziggurat did worse than that but yeah

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>>97752542
Writing up a story for an upcoming campaign, trying to make sense of the last part of this
>PCs are cops put into a task force
>official purpose is to neutralize new drug problem that has rapidly developed in a particular district
>the powers that be are trying to make sure they don't dig too far into it

The "who" and "why"
>corpo from a pharmacorp created the drug problem
>flooded the area to drop real estate prices
>acquires multiple properties under shell companies
>plans to incorporate them into his company once the streets are cleaned up for a promotion and fat raise

Since this is a risky play by the corpo, it would make sense for him to do this secretly, without involving company assets directly. Without the backing of the company, he would likely need to involve outsiders to carry out this operation. What gangs would agree to join this corpo in this plan? Likely most would end up betraying him somehow.

>>97752749
Would a pharma corp turn their nose up at this kind of plan? Or would they greenlight it and use deniable assets to execute the plan? I was thinking they could "employ" some Dorphers to figure out distribution in exchange for some real preem chems

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>>97735636
Why aren't 'synthetic humans' like the Replicants in Blade Runner or Ash and Bishop in Alien really a thing in the Cyberpunk lore? Is it just because Pondsmith didn't want to make his setting too much like blade runner? Self-aware AI already exists in the setting, putting it into a synthetic body wouldn't be too far off.

>>97752847
https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Raven_Microcybernetics_Gemini_(2020)

>linking to fandom
oh shit nigga what are you doing

>>97752847
Who says they aren't a thing? Cloning exists. Personality chips exist. Your choom who went away for a while and came back acting all strange ain't your choom anymore. Hell, who knows what Biotechnica has cooking behind closed doors.

>>97752847
youre looking for doll chips

>>97752847
https://www.scribd.com/document/508411607/Cyberpunk-2020-Land-of-the-Free

>>97752901
Retard questions get retard answers. Put an AI in biopod and a biopod in a gemini. Congratulations Deckard, you have your rogue android.

>>97752914
Do Doll Chips make the whole concept of a all but human robot sex doll untenable in the Cyberpunk universe?

>>97753036
>Retard questions get retard answers
I was just curious. I was thinking about creating a character for a campaign based on Rachael from Blade Runner, but I don't want to create a character that's going to break the lore.

>>97753422
I'll admit I may have been unnecessarily short on account of a week long fight with influenza.

You should look up the lore about all the space stuff in Cyberpunk, you might find the Replicant situation to be a more likely outcome than not. Recall that in Blade Runner they were legal elsewhere (as slave labor mostly) but highly restricted to illegal on earth. An AI hijacking a FBC or hidden within one would be in the same realm of a hard-to-prove ultra-illegal that would be hunted down by the authorities if discovered.

Bishop type androids are more likely to just be people made into borgs, but the same gradient of illegal activity can exist there too.

I guess what I'm saying is the pieces are all there, they just don't seem to be put together often in Cyberpunk proper.

>>97743178
I'd like to start by pointing out the fact that I'm describing a homebrew territory, so you may just ignore it alltogether.
>RAW
No, but we have two examples.
>"Alt" from Black Dog story
It's on the end of RED corebook, basically it confirms that an engram copy could be uploaded into cloned body, they'd have to be the same person however.
>Reaper AI from Tales of the Red
Reaper is a soulkilled netrunner that was living in the old net since the undisclosed date during 2020s up to undisclosed date during 2045 (although you may pinpoint it to the season using weather DLC, because story has a radiation storm, idk if they happen in certain seasons or all year). Reaper is capable of interacting with extremely specific hardware flaw (singular one) that would allow it to effectively kill a person and use their body as a puppet. It can even go as far leave their dumbed down copy to posess multiple bodies at once.
Aight, so what can we see from it? It's all narrative.

Anyway, a few threads back I've had an interesting conversation with another Anon, and we tried to come up with some ruling to play as a self aware machine (drone) and how it would interact with Humanity Loss mechanic. If you're interested in that, lemme know.

PS: for an actual answer, in FBC body you'd still be in a biopod = you cannot escape your "flesh" more than switching FBCs. But I do see the potential for an AI to be able to live inside of another machine, a factory, a car or whatever (just like a netrunner would btw). That being said it's roleplay gold unless you're not "that kid".

>>97752908
In 2020 Biotechnica can't make mature clones without their brillant key scientist, and he cannot cause the brain to mature at speed.
So he uses a computer integrated into the brain.
Biotechnica has to back off when it's all exposed and governments and other corps raise a stink.

But 2045, who knows, I totally expect them to have perfected full-body cloning (assuming they still had the research and time/funds).
And between their old research and Soulkiller being a big thing, I can see them also trying to work in Engrams.

So, I just played the vidya. Can I get a tl;dr on the Blackwall and why there are so many insane AIs running around?

>>97756449
bartmoss gets killed for sticking his dick in corporate servers
this kicks off his deadmans switch
was designed to send out a swarm of programs to crack open all corporate servers and dump their data to the public
instead this mindbroke every AI and broke the internet
people eventually give up on repairing the absolute clusterfuck bartmoss created and just wall off the old internet to keep the AIs out of their cool new internet

>>97756449
bartmoss wants the internet to himself, got mad when he can't, and ruined it for everyone on his way out so nobody can have it. netwatch and other mysterious people makes up the Wall just the rapeorgy of AIs wont spread to the new one and give it STDs

>>97756449
Blackwall is an AI designated to not other AI cross one side or another.
This means it pass humans just fine (like V passed simply by touching it), but for an AI to be able to pass it must be immensly powerfull one (one that SoMi carries) or be human'ish enough to pass as a human (like Alt engram does).

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Is there any lore on why the most common rifle ammo is based on a Warsaw Pact cartridge? I get that by the 1980 the US was in trouble, but they they really not invent/ introduce the 5.56 NATO rounds?
Please excuse my gun 'tism, but I'm reading through the RED rulesbook and I found this jarring.

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>>97762184
Considering there's lightweight ballistic vests that can reliably stop .44 magnum cold at under 100 yards in RED, I don't see why 5.56 would be preferred over 7.62 NATO or 7.62 Soviet.

>>97762184
It's just "big gun cooler" logic. Also
>Using WP
>Not 7.62 NATO
lol lmao even

Has anyone ever done the 'bonus xp' thing? I want to give an extra reward to players for actively playing as their characters but I don't know if this will majorly fuck others if they get left behind.

>>97764134
Yes. Give them small amounts, recognition is more important than the actual mechanical benefit.

>>97764677
what is the right amount? im thinking 5-10 per gig

>>97764767
Per gig? Per moment of excellence in playing into their character. I give 5-10% of whatever the "small" sized reward currently is. (Not a Red player.)

>>97764828
that makes a better payout, cant believe i didnt think of that.
and yeah its for red, i didnt specify because i thought that isn't important since both systems do it

>>97764767
If you play RED, just give the good roleplayers +10 IPs when it's time to hand rewards to the party.

>>97753686
>week long fight with influenza.
That's gotta be rough.

>>97764134
I give up to 20 bonus exp for good roleplay or curbstomping my combat scenario (last session, the fucking PCs approached my boss and her small army with grenades and rocket launchers. One round clear)

>>97768346
>exp
IP
whatever

Do i break anything by removing the reload function of guns?
I swear this question was answered a couple threads ago when i passed over someone asking the same but it never pops up my searches when I need it now

>>97770537
do you want to make them never need a reload or impossible to reload during a battle?
of they never need a reload then yeah, a number of guns become very broken imagine a rocket launcher you never need to reload

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>>97770537
You'll never reload most firearms combat ends before that's really an issue, unless they're heavy weapons/using Autofire.

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RED GMs, have you ever had an enemy netrunner be more of an old school stationary "dweller" type as opposed to the standard goggles-wearing type? I find the idea of a building's security being governed by a netrunner who's "hardwired" into the structure very compelling, but RED's system assumes you're wearing the goggles and moving about. In the corebook, there's a token reference to the more old school method (i.e., no goggles, just plugs) which just renders a character unconscious until they jack out, but that's it.

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If the internet is kaput how is the player character in 2077 able to facetime call his buds in NC all the way from DC?

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>>97773820
Datakrash was obviously just an inside job psyop to allow the feds to monopolize data communications.

>>97773147
Good to know the gritty darkness of the near future will still contain Raspberry Pis.

>>97773147
That's the problem they have been trying to fix.The hack-from-your-mom's-basement style has been out of favor for a while.

>>97775475
Well it's not a problem when an NPC is hacking from a chair because the players are going to where the NPC is hacking in a chair.

>>97773147
We've dealt with dwellers and spiders before; there's no reason someone can't be sitting down and plugged into the NET through a dedicated terminal.

Old-school shut-your-eyes-and-do-it-in-your-head Netrunning exists mostly to create granularity in equipment; so there can be meaningful distinctions to losing or having things stolen more than just your deck. I've done it before as a PC when money was tight and kitting out the cyberdeck was more important than being able to run comfortably; and since I was fast at playing running and set reasonable goals on runs I generally didn't need other players babysitting my body for more than a round or two.

>>97773820
One of the upsides of the cyberpunk universe is that because the net is fragmented, it means that each citys 'internet' has it's own distinct culture and personality.

>>97755675
>he cannot cause the brain to mature at speed.
The brain doesn't have to be mature if you're implanting soulkiller into it and overwriting it with a copy of someone elses mind.

>>97762184
>Is there any lore on why the most common rifle ammo is based on a Warsaw Pact cartridge?
CDPR are polish, a former warsaw pact country. That might have something to do with it on a meta level.

>>97776148
retard
>>97762184
There's no NATO in CP universe, instead warsaw pact standarised ammo in yurop, which later pooled into USofA.
It's the dark future of a suburban black boomer of course the europe winning the economy is their boogeyman

>>97776139
The computer they used in Home of the Brave was effctively a DYI and worse Soulkiller. A computer running a ROM(s) of recorded memories of the donor.
If they had access to the 2013 version, the person would be effectively resurrected. But that would require Arasaka and Biotchnica to share their closest yet to be profitable secrets.

Does anyone actually use any of the cyberfingers in the Black Chrome book?

>>97749604
Why is this so badly written? The language is childish and there's multiple spelling errors. Which book is this?

>>97777517
it seems to be from a book called Chernobog

Welcome to Night City 2045 #7 – Island Districts.
https://rtalsoriangames.com/2026/03/26/welcome-to-night-city-2045-7-island-districts/

>>97781081
Is it me or the districts feel too nice? All the dirty stuff listed feels forced somehow. Or did i miss what Cyberpunk is supposed to be like for the normal average person living in Night City?
I always thought it was tonally supposed to be grimy with small bits of hope if the average person tries really hard to grasp it, not the other way around.

>>97782864
You can't make them default to "please kill me" awful all the time or else there isn't a reason for a fixer to go "Oh hey things are getting bad in Kabuki go talk to my guy over there" to your crew. Most things need to be teetering precariously at worst so you can push them over and have players have something to do.

>>97762184
Seems like just a RED-ism to me. A handwave for why they just use generic rifle and generic pistol for the stat blocks rather than the gear tism 2020 had in the core book, plus the exotic mysticism of the east. Read through Blackhands street weapons, oodles of guns use 5.56

>>97784365
This.

>>97750837
>>97751047
>>97751479
What about taking out the blackwall, and unplugging from cyberware. Maybe a monk could pull it off.

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>>97756449
Bartmoss had a deadman switch that triggered when he died. It released rabid ai into the old net making it too dangerous to use. Since everything in Cyberpunk is plugged into the net, and the net extends out from locations inaccessible to to people, it's impossible to just shut the net down. Their solution to the problem was to create the ai known as the blackwall with the sole purpose to prevent dangerous rogue ai from accessing the new net. The old net and new net are only separated by the blackwall, described as a garbage bag over a glassless window, it will have to do. Cyberpsychosis is theorized to be vectors for rogue ai to escape the old net and into the real world. All this old net/blackwall/rogue ai daemons is a metaphor for Hell depicted by Dante's Inferno. Nightcity is said to be the 10th circle of Hell, the daemons are actual demons, people outfitted with enough cyberware create the perfect body to be possessed by demons, and the blackwall is said to sing in Aramaic.

>>97756449
I forgot to mention the part that might be most relevant to you. The old net is a finite and limited amount of space, and the ai there must be at constant odds with one another, fighting, and learning, so only the most super fucked up ones are dominate. They crave to escape to the new net and the physical world where there's more space, and much more to learn.

>finally get to play a cyberpunk campaign
>it's a 5e hack instead of 2020 or Red
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined

>>97785284
that sounds dope, anyone could run Cyberpunk Red, but that D&D is something someone had to go and make themselves

>>97785131
I feel like we're having a language or understanding problem here. The Blackwall is effectively a firewall that isolates NC's Citinet from the old net, like a sea barrier or net around a resort's beach-side property. It makes the water safe(r) to swim, so to speak; as it keeps sharks and other dangerous animals out. Those dangerous animals are rogue AIs, which vary from sentient and inscrutable intelligent engrams to the aformention RABIDs; which in spite of their intentions are basically little more than anthropomorphized Shamoon-equivalents that destroy hardware and kill people.

People don't interact with the Blackwall on a daily basis. Most people will never interact with the Blackwall; it is effectively a public utility that lets people live generally normal digital lives within the confines of the NC Citinet. Cyberware does not interact with the Blackwall, unless you're a runner and you're about to go do something REALLY FUCKING STUPID for fun or profit.

The thing is that the Blackwall is something that is currently keeping NC digitally secure. Even a person with no ware at all would want that because every public utility, government institution, corporate body and anything that connects to the Citinet at all is vulnerable if it goes down. Tearing it down now that it is up is a digital nuke; it is terrorism. Netwatch WILL kill you for trying and it's hard to say they won't be justified.

>>97785358
>he doesn't know about Carbon Black

>>97785358
>>97785395
I want to play an actual cyberpunk RPG, not some 5e hack brought to me by some no-name crowd funding campaign

>>97785131
How exactly will you play cyberpunk without cyber and net?

>>97785853
A slightly more dystopian version of today, I guess
So ten years in the future, being optimistic

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>>97785406
I taught my players to play RED since it's an easier version of 2020 and a oneshot, and they still went back to dnd 5e to hack it instead of playing the system I just taught them.

>>97786510
>*hack it to continue the one-shot to a campaign
You don't hate DnD retards enough.
Just tell them about RED or find another group. You'll have an easier time if a majority of a group first tabletop isn't DnD.

>>97785131
You do not want the Blackwall down, you want the AIs past it dead. The problem isn't the Blackwall or the old net.

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>>97782864
>Or did i miss what Cyberpunk is supposed to be like for the normal average person living in Night City?
The average person in Night City isn't living that much differently from the average person in, say, San Francisco. There's just more guns, more drugs and more homeless people shitting on the sidewalks. Oh, and everyone's a cyborg. Don't worry about the radioactive dust blowing in from the Hot Zone, just take an iodine tablet and wear your breathing mask. Stay out of the blood rain or you'll get sick. Remember to have a "donation" ready for when the cops stop you. And, whatever you do, never go down THAT street at night.

For all its faults (and there are very many), Night City is still a modern American city, not some rotting nightmare anthill like 40k's hive cities.

>>97785284
>>97785131
The Blackwall exists to protect the world from the eldritch shit that Bartmoss released. Like others already say, the blackwall is your ally. the third anon you quoted describes the only solution you can do about the old net.
i dont think people would hate the player for trying or managing to do so, but rather the government and/or netwatch seeing how very valuable that player is and make him join their ranks. everyone wants the monsters gone, after all.

>>97786510
dnd somehow has a chokehold on their players, they think any system outside of it is too hard to learn even if you give them a ruleslite system. and if you somehow pull them out of dnd, they refuse to read the rulebook of the system you're teaching them

>>97787015 (Me)
messed up my reply, just put the first one to the second half

>>97777445
the problem on the cyberfingers is that the character sheets still arent updated for the extra wares options, especially on FBCs getting extra option slots

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Well, yesterday we had our first sesion with the characters we created. We rolled for the lifepaths, and my char ended up being a former nomad who was forced to work for corps because they kidnapped two of my former lovers my headcanon is that she is monogamous, and just tried to find another SO after the first one's disappearance, but the corps nabbed him, too, and she eventually connected the dots. Ashley works as an HR exec for N54, and has a boss who hates her guts, because I rolled that he feels threatened by her metoric ascent through the ranks.

The sesh started with an adidas tracksuit wearing polak netrunner, going by the handle of Bobr, being hired to plug a data shard into a specific AV. He haggled his was into being paid 500 eddies up front, 1500 after the job was done.
This AV was being piloted by Sy, a happy-go-lucky nomad who is using it to uber for suit'n'tie niggas as a means of making money.
It landed at the helipad at a the megabuilding in which Ashley lives in her corpo conapt, with her techie personal assistant Steve living a couple floors down.

Ash got a call that morning to show up to a noon meeting, after a hard night of partying with other corpos. Eventually she also receives an ominous e-mail saying that a tragic fate would befall her today. An e-mail which she rolled her eyes at and deleted, thinking it's another stupid horoscope msg which got past spam filters. But NO, it turns out that a Media leaked to Ash a link to her own obituary, which was being live edited, and stated that she would die in an AV crash in 30ish minutes time, and the primary suspect was found dead at the scene.

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>>97787068

>cont
After a bit of sleuthing and investigating, we managed to track down the suspect, Bobr, who was luckly still alive, and were able to persuade him to sit down and chat with us because we were all being played. In true scion of Sobieski fashion, his response to this information was a heartfelt "Oh, Kurwa!". We exchanged the info we found, and Ash reached the conclusion that "hank", the guy who called the hit was actually her, doing a very bad job as disguising his identity possible false flag? idk yet

The game night ended after I holo'd my boss, specifically called him Hand, and told him that there's a young polak waiting for his remaining 1500 eddies for a job well done, and that he shouldn't keep people waiting or stiff their hard earned pay. He hung up on me, and moments later, Steve got a call during which he only grunted as way of reply, and then shook my hand and told me that it's been an honor. No hard feelings from Ash, tho.

My thinking was that maybe he I could intimidate him into backing down, at least temporarily until I could formulate a plan to flatline him first, but I might have ruined the potential for an element of surprise, should he have actually met up with Bobr to tie up that loose end. Three quarters of the party were gathered up, with kind of a common goal: kill the guy who intended to kill us; the only guy missing is the Media, but his player couldn't make it. Loooking forward to the next time we play, and hoping that Ash makes it to sesh #3 because I quite like her.

Sorry for blogposting, I'm just really excited and enjoying the system and ppl I play with

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>>97787015
It's weird because we were just in the process of learning how to play Wrath and Glory, and I think we were getting a good handle on that system. So they can learn new games but just refuse to do so

>>97785149
>Since everything in Cyberpunk is plugged into the net, and the net extends out from locations inaccessible to to people, it's impossible to just shut the net down
This is honestly a stupid take. Shutting down the NET is as simple as shutting down power to a service provider, dismantling their infrastructure etc. The funny thing is Bartmoss Guide to the NET even mentions exactly this as the main reason AIs don’t act up against humanity.
The idea that the “Old NET” is just still a thing is kind of retarded, what would make more sense would be if the NET was “officially” dead by the claim of the world governments with the truth being that there are still unmapped remnants of the of old NET operating in secret with potential lost gateways connecting them to the new NETs. That would be an actual reason for something like the Black Wall to exist.

>>97788441
>governments with the truth being that there are still unmapped remnants of the of old NET operating in secret with potential lost gateways connecting them to the new NETs.
Ziggurat did just that and got destroyed by the cyberpolice. see >>97752542

>>97777190
>retard
What did I do?

>>97787068
>>97787077
Glad you enjoyed yourself, Anon. It's good to get a story that isn't just whinging about fluff or mechanics or the other people at the table for once.

>make up low stakes job after the absolute hell that was last gig
>need to find a kid's pet lizard
>chaos erupts somehow
>one pc gets struck by lighting, another struck my a car
>another accidentally breaks his legs for misjudging a height from a jump down chasing the lizard
>fourth player accidentally gets himself in a net from a comical exploding 1
>and so much more
>two characters are knocked out by the time they found the lizard
>kid gives them a 20eb bonus because hes amused by their injuries
>secretly he wasnt missing his pet, he made them chase his trained pet for exercise
that went to places i didnt expect.

>>97791325
shit, that's a Paranoia mission

>>97735636
I can't believe how good solo 45 was, AND the finally added stealth to netrunning/Red generally. it's like they've read all my bitchy posts for 5 years. I think I might... like red now?

>>97793035
Anon, you're going off-script. You're supposed to say that they somehow made the game even worse and then accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being James or J Gray.

>>97791325
>>another accidentally breaks his legs for misjudging a height from a jump down chasing the lizard
The epitome of edgerunning

>>97793168
I used to be that hater myself but solo45 is actually like... scarily close to my own homebrew. Their range table for battle rifles is almost identical to my own, ditto for carbines. The ACPAs are kind of meh since they can't action stack but let's not pretend ACPAs were a common sight on 2020s tables. They continue to refuse to let armour besides LAJ be relevant but whatever

also it seems like solo of Fortune is mostly composed of stuff that was going to be in rusted chrome - the long barrel pistols had been teased earlier as part of rusted chrome. there's also scattered about mentions of metacorp and the thales in ways that make me think they're lifted from a larger source on sea nomads.
Also the stuff for NC45 looks pretty alright. fluff quality aside, it'll finally have lots of gangs (dgd SUUUUUUUCKED) and unlock the og nc sourcebook, it'll have details on all of night city and not just a narrow sliver of it. I like the og sourcebook a lot, but it really is quite a narrow sliver. detailed! but narrow

>>97786570
>>97782864
Night City is the worst parts of every US city all smashed together. The urban decay of Detroit, the homeless crisis of New York and San Francisco, the decadence of Las Vegas, the ethnic tensions of Los Angeles, Miami, and Atlanta.

>>97785284
Count your blessings. It's very difficult to find players for Cyberpunk anything at my local TTRPG shop. Everyones into D&D (always 5th edition), Warhammer, and occassionally Star Wars. Not a single person who's into Cyberpunk.

>>97782864
>Is it me or the districts feel too nice? All the dirty stuff listed feels forced somehow.
Fun fact. When CDPR were designing 2077, Pondsmith said the streets were too clean and didn't have enough trash on them. That they accidentally made the dystopian dark future look like the better option compared to say, modern Los Angeles.

>>97782864
most of the areas covered are the actual nice parts of NC, desu, and we also didn't get the full picture. little Europe, upper marina, downtown, Glen and the uni should be "nice". I am however a little concerned like you, because I can smell a whiff of twee. in general this has been reds problem, basically everyone is nice or they are literally Hitler (or a bozo). there's basically no scum or lowlifes in a lot of these. and then you get the shit Mike actually works on and it's back to the old-school scummers.
That said, I have the NC sourcebook right here, and frankly most of NC was basically OK in it too. But the gangs were way less sympathetic than what we got in DGD. I'm hopeful that the factions in the new sourcebook will at least be realistically corrupt. but again, in the original, you also had dweeby do-gooder gangs who basically went around saying "smokings for squares. stay in school daddie-o!"

>>97795678
We already have a 5e game! I want a cyberpunk in the system with the fucking name on it. Why is this such a huge ask?

It's funny how Red only leaned more into the fact that one of the authors (Cody?) is really into eclipse phase. now everything is fucking printed by anarchist techies? okay technosocialist why don't you bang your octowife and maybe you'll calm down

>>97737955
>cosmetic surgery
Almost no racism is based on how groups look, it is almost always about stereotypes about the way groups act, or a conception of the spiritual nature of said group.

would you use cyberpunk red/2020 or only war/dark heresy as the basis for a TTRPG game of playing necromunda gang war? semi serious question

>>97789641
ahh lol, I never really read RED's actual lore on the NET, just kind of assumed it was the same as 2077 but looking into it, seems like it actually more agrees with my own take.

>>97752542
so if we ever get an actual netrunning book or adventure it'll probably be about this.
have they ever said why IEC died btw?

EBM isn't around anymore in 2077, and unfortunately people are wrong about why. The wiki and most people think they tried to coup the German government, citing some lines from big Mike himself on the radio in 2077.
Unfortunately they've badly misunderstood him, as the coup he's talking about is actually the one from tales from the forlorn hope, where they try to use werewolves to overthrow Romania. it's annoying to me that this continues to persist. EBM never tried to coup Germany.

>>97793035
>>97793168
>>97795238
You can praise the parts of the splats you like while still making criticisms. Sometimes I feel like Red's fanbase has a tendency to praise mediocrity if a splat isn't useless fluff or another subsystem.

Huh I was comparing the old NC sourcebook and it looks like the new one is gonna be about twice the length

>>97736056
Hard to say, the thing is that the way the Fourth Corporate War was described as proceeding kind of makes it seem like the megacorps were literally just small fish who forgot their place. Their war ends as soon as the world governments decide its time to pull the plug.
Personally, this seems kind of retarded to me, not just because it makes the megacorps look like complete retards for chimping out with lnothing to gain, but because Arasaka and Militech would not have realistically survived such an insane overstep if the governments had the power to just fuck them over (admittedly, it seems like that may have originally intended to be the case, though V3 has the whole world collapse somehow).
imo the megacorps should not so easily be taken down as that would imply their very existence is just something that was tolerated to happen. They should if anything be basically untouchable by world governments due to having basically built themselves into their political and military apparatuses.

>>97735636
In my campaign we took down the blackwall and turned Nightcity into a war zone.

>>97788441
I prefer the eldritch horror angle personally.

>>97798736
>imo the megacorps should not so easily be taken down
That they weren't dismantled and broken up is the proof that they are too big to fail. Even when the world united against them they persist and grow.

>>97799210
getting swallowed up by the government is a way bigger humiliation than dying. Sure they are still megacorps but they drew the ire of the government enough for it to think of destroying them and there is nothing the corps can do it.
its not a matter of if, its a matter of when. everyone learnt their places and is forced to play nice. if someone toes the line, all megacorps suffer instead of one.

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>>97798736
Cyberpunk's megacorporations aren't untouchable. Their power came from striking while the iron was hot during the Collapse, picking up the slack from ineffective national governments, and aggressive lobbying in their favor. Governments were willing to look the other way from corporate colonialism because they profited off of it, not because the corporations would destroy them (unless we're talking about the governments of poor, third-world countries). At the end of the day, if corporations had nothing to fear from governments, they wouldn't bother carrying out their horrible experiments in secret (and thus the Media role wouldn't be relevant).

With the Fourth Corporate War, it's important to remember that it started off slowly at first, with both sides launching covert strikes on each other's holdings. Only later did things ramp up into a Hot War, which *made* national governments take notice. Some countries began deploying their militaries against both sides. The AHQ bombing in particular was pretty much the final straw, since no one wants these megacorps dropping nukes (it also gave the NUSA President the perfect excuse to further strengthen the MIC by nationalizing Militech AND kick out a foreign corp).

>>97798736
>>97800965
governments were stomping corps in 2020 too, theres a whole section in home of the brave about how if a corp is too uppity and misunderstands the extent of their power the US government can and has stompted them flat. the corps had more soft power and stronger civic instututions than the state, and were able to use capital to capture politicians. But even night city had non privatised public transit, and in Japan as well Arasaka were actually fairly fringe politically, to say nothing of Europe where the state did still hold all the cards - well, at least to the extent you could say about our own modern Europe. Really only the US had a complete collapse with corps taking hold (presumably Canada too I guess) while china collapsed with no corps, Russia had a more minor collapse that actually mirrored our real world soviet->gazprom oligarchy, and the UK collapsed into a military dictatorship (in the style of contemporary to cp2020 British dystopian fiction). among others who had less notable collapses like Korea, Australia, the mideastmeltdown, etc

>>97798736
>>97800965
The entire concept of a 'megacorporation' going to war or being a government unto itself existing outside of or superior to the state, is kind of inherently stupid, if you stop to think about it long enough. A corporations mission is ultimately to create profit for their shareholders. Profiteering off of an already existing war is one thing. Actually actively participating is another matter entirely, and would most likely end with the corps stock dropping like a stone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpwHG3fFvxU

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>>97801288
That's a lot of words to say "I'm going to deny the setting's premise because I think it makes me look smart"

>>97801288
>>97801346
The idea of cyberware being easily accessible is unrealistic, and people should settle their disputes in the court of law not on the street with weapons. This game is complete nonsense!

>>97801346
>>97801388
Okay. Point taken.