Why are dinosaurs such a great fit for true Sword & Sorcery like Conan, but if you try to include them in a traditional fantasy setting I'll do a 360 from the table and leave your campaign?They're basically dragons without wings yet they practically ruin any traditional Monster Manual, right up there with entries for moose or deer or foxes.
They're cool as fuck, you're just gay and have poor taste ~ which is unfortunately true of most dumb goyim cattle
>>97741002I bet you think some Ford Model-T's would also be a good fit for D&D.
>>97740981>Why are dinosaurs such a great fit for true Sword & Sorcery like Conan, but if you try to include them in a traditional fantasy setting I'll do a 360 from the table and leave your campaign?Same reason the Cthulhu Mythos is a perfect fit for Conan but is idiotic for D&D.
>>97741008>retarded low IQ non argument reply As expected
>>97740981>why [qualitative statement] but if you [my subjective preference] I won't like it ??Because you're a stupid faggot.
>>97740981My fantasy dinosaurs are all bipedal, use tools, wear kit, talk shit, cause tremors, and breathe energy beams, so they aren't really on the same level as mundane moose and deer and foxes.
>>97740981You just gotta have the dinos themselves also be more fantasy
>>97740981>leave your campaignBecause you're a worthless faggot.Dinosaurs are always cool.
>>97740981>They're basically dragons without wingsSo lame and gay, when I can have actual dragons?
>>97741008> I bet you think some Ford Model-T's would also be a good fit for D&DJesus Christ yes!Do you have any idea how I’ve longed for a setting that blends high fantasy with early 20th century, that isn’t shit?
>>97742440Literally nothing stops you and nobody is preventing it. You are not going SWATted for doing it, either.But you would have to play games first - both to do it and to grasp the simple concept that you can do whatever the fuck you please by your table.
The fact they were once extant animals is the deciding factor. S&S does have supernatural monsters, but its usually weird ape men or giant negros or some manner of godlike being in a chimeric avatar or the occasional giant snake. I think the plausibility factor of Conan being from a primordial age that could have really once existed and were just getting a look in is a key part of it. Fantasy instead is lessened by real world historical content, since now you to grapple with real history and science in a wholly unnatural world.
>>97744445>think the plausibility factor of Conan being from a primordial age that could have really once existed and were just getting a look in is a key part of it.Yes, and this is why Cthulhu Mythos fits in with Hyperborea since it really happened 1 billion years ago. I also like how orcs = ape men = ancestral memory of Neanderthals going extinct a mere 30k years ago.
>>97740981Why are you asking us to guess the reasons behind your feelings?Dinosaurs are rad and belong in ever Monster Manual. I don't know what emotional hangups you've got. But you should get over them. They've certainly been part of default D&D since the 1970s.
>>97740981I sort of agree. They are best in a barbarian, sword and sorcery esque setting but that can work in a more by the numbers traditional fantasy setting. Just have a lost world island filled with dinos and scantily clad amazons.
Sounds like a personal problem. Dinos and normal animals in fantasy is great.
>Why are dinosaurs such a great fit for true Sword & Sorcery like Conan, but if you try to include them in a traditional fantasy setting I'll do a 360 from the table and leave your campaign?A dinosaur appears in one conan story, and the dinosaur in that story is explicitly written as being necromantically revived and there's no large remnant populations of dinosaurs walking around in the Hyborian age. And i can't recall them being at all popular in any other S&S series like Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser, Elric, Kane, etc. IIRC they might appear in some of CAS's stories but that's all. have you actually read any sword and sorcery or does your knowledge of it come exclusively from frazetta paintings?>traditional fantasySword and Sorcery is traditional fantasy.
>>97742440Man I'm sure you love all the shitty ass modern Final Fantasy games with that attitude.
it's like aliens where people increasingly have this divide between 'fantasy' and 'science fiction'.you don't have to look at old pulp magazines or anything, just look at He-Man cartoons. nobody was ever saying>nooo you can't do that, tinkering gnomes are allowed but laser guns are WRONG!
>>97740981Dinosaurs and Giant Riding Lizards are based
>>97745067Yeah, He-Man is fantasy.
>>97740981They have a primitive vibe, which doesn't really fit the medieval vibe.
>>97744412> Literally nothing stops you and nobody is preventing it.OBVIOUSLY! But it’d be nice if I didn’t have to completely build my ideal setting from scratch. You know what I mean?>>97745051I said “that wasn’t shit”. FFVII was good… I think… (100% honest, wasn’t entirely paying attention to the plot when I played it, kinda 1/2 listening, 1/2 making up my own narrative) but I don’t think that’s considered “modern”
Consider this:Dnd tends to be goofy, especially with monsters. It's part of its charm, really.Dinosaurs in narrative media... almost always end up being goofy, really. Especially nowdays that it seems like redoing JP is the only possibility.Doing dnd with dinosaurs is a recipe for maximum goofiness. In pure SS it's probably easier altough I wouldn't call it common - after all, a t-rex is pretty standard fare in our collective imagination, and SS runs with the unexpected and weird. Was easier in REH's times, I would perhaps try selecting another geological period.That being said, it's funny to think how Tolkien of all people did it and no one bat an eye (yes, I know pterosaurs are not dinos, you got the idea).>>97745263Dnd has scifi and classical vibes as well and not one gives a shit.
>>97745051>Man I'm sure you love all the shitty ass modern Final Fantasy games with that attitude.I definitely don't like it but it's marginally more acceptable when Japs do it. It doesn't feel performative with them, more like just a fever dream.
>>97746670>>That being said, it's funny to think how Tolkien of all people did it and no one bat an eye (yes, I know pterosaurs are not dinos, you got the idea).It's acceptable only because of JRRT's brilliant vagueness. The balrog, and the barrow-wights, and the Negroe-- I mean, "half-trolls", are so evocative and memorable because they all get one or two total sentences of description. Not a single modern author would resist two pages of detailed description for any one of them.And then of course there's his shoggoth reference to the "nameless things" under Moria, an obvious reference to his beloved Lovecraft.
>>97746695I was talking about the nazguls's steeds, actually. They are canonically inspired by pterosaurs (who especially back then were like dark metal giant bats in proper paleoart, not the generally fuzzy and colorful ones we have now. Not that when you see Aramborugiana's reconstructions you can't think this guy would have second breakfast gladly in the Shire, but I digress).He WAS savvy enough to say "yeah, it was not exactly a pterodactyl" but the idea is pretty clear.
>>97740981It is because of the zeitgeist both came from different "worlds".Conan and Lovecraft were influenced by Victorian gothic horror, and during the Victorian era paleontology and occultism came in the vogue.Fantasy has more medieval through chivalry and antiquity (mythology) DNA, the more modern DNA came from folklore and fairy tales, that dinosaurs aren't part of.
>>97746670>Dnd has scifi and classical vibes as well and not one gives a shit.Plenty of people give a shit and don't put spelljammers in every campaign, same as every campaign don't end up on the isle of dread Fucking donkeybrains
>>97746670Also, I personally don't like real animals as monsters.Part of this is probably the treehugger in me (animals aren't that easily aggressive and are not killing machines), part is that... I mean, a pack of wolves is not going to put out a huge tactical challenge, right? It's just a bunch of wolves, you know how attacks go. And that is one the most intelligent predators that walked this planet. Wouldn't think a dinosaur would be particulary different in this regard if possibly less scared of humans, altough I suppose you could put out some tricks in selecting dinos (or whatever) that are not similar to what you see on discovery channel every day. I dunno, smaller dromaesaurs doing group death from above forest group hunting (I think nowdays the group part is less in, but still).>>97746792Never seen people having their jimmies rustled by clear "housenames" scifi vibing monsters like beholders or mind flayers, honestly.
>>97746785Secondary who doesn't think Howard was inspired by Medieval Chivalry when one of his favorite novels was Conan Doyle's the White companySecondaries seriously need to stop posting
>>97740981What are some cool takes on dinosaurs in existing fantasy settings?
If you suddenly gave dinosaurs human IQ, would they be able to do anything with it without hands and opposable thumbs? It'd sort of be a dolphin/whales situation where some researchers think they really do have IQ comparable to the dumbest humans (you-know-who).
>>97747541>(you-know-who).r/notjustbikes subscribers?
>>97747586He said the dumbest HUMANS, Anon.
>>97747687Shit, you're right, my bad.
>>97740981Because Conan isn't truely sword and sorcery despite sorcerors being main antagonists, the setting was more sandal and sword.
Dinosaurs sort of by their very existence imply a certain amount of prehistoric savagery. Stuff like Conan, while reminiscent of our world is so far forgotten by contemporary history that it's effectively a massive blank spot. Then you have Lost World stuff which not attached to history is disconnected from the world.
barbarian and dinos is cool but I do like the more modern lost world pulp you see in something like Xenozoic tales. Man I wish he'd go back to that comic. Anyone ever play the RPG?
>>97747759Look at that T-Rex silhouette, I know those niggaz got useless forelegs but c'mon man
>>97740981>why do prehistoric creatures fit better in a prehistoric setting than one based on recorded history
It's funny that dinosaurs don't work as well in traditional fantasy (and I agree they don't), but most Cenozoic animals and Mesozoic sea creatures are fine. Permian stuff also fits well, though most other Paleozoic life doesn't.
>>97742440>Do you have any idea how I’ve longed for a setting that blends high fantasy with early 20th century, that isn’t shit?Be the change you want to see. GURPS is waiting.
>>97747857Gorgonops look like the tarrasque
>>97740981>Why are dinosaurs such a great fit for true Sword & Sorcery like Conan, but if you try to include them in a traditional fantasy setting I'll do a 360 from the table and leave your campaign?Because you're an autistic faggot who wants every fantasy setting to be tolkeinslop.
>>97748154But Tolkien had pterodactylic in his...
>>97747711What the actual fuck am I reading
>>97748154I find that people who complain about Tolkien don't often come across like they've ever actually read Tolkien
>>97748275Sword and sorcery is mainly based on the paintings instead of the original stories.
I still havent seen any good reason not to have dinosaurs in your setting
>>97748375Moorcock admitted as such, and China also admitted that he only critiqued Tolkien to sell his own books.
>>97747950> GURPS is waiting.Fuck GURPS! If I must do it myself, then I’m using Genesys.Why would I ever choose “spreadsheets: the game”?
Again some cunt makes an indefensible assertation, then instead of opening the table up for debate, tries to get us to defend their moronic statement.Go fuck yourself, you insufferable cunt. What you have is an opinion, it is confined to your tiny fucking head, if you try to claim it as some kind of law of man, God or nature, people will call you a cunt. You cunt.
>>97748768you don't like spreadsheets?
>>97749076>Again some cunt makes an indefensible assertation, then instead of opening the table up for debate, tries to get us to defend their moronic statement.>Go fuck yourself, you insufferable cunt. What you have is an opinion, it is confined to your tiny fucking head, if you try to claim it as some kind of law of man, God or nature, people will call you a cunt. You cunt.Dude, just because you got kicked off as a Reddit mod doesn't mean you have to meltdown the exact same way every Goddamn time.
>>97749255we know for certain elon musk has never diddled a childafter all, despite his begging in the emails, he was never allowed on that island in the first place, even if he really wanted to join in
>>97749094Nobody likes spreadsheets.
>>97749281I do, why don't you?
>>97747711>the setting was more sandal and sword.no it wasn't
>>97749255I'm thinking about what the back of your eye sockets would feel like on the tips of my fingers.
>>97746675>it's okay when Japan does it!Every time, lmao
>>97741008Cars work perfectly fine in a fantasy setting if you actually have an imagination and dont just want to fellate Tolkien for umpteenth time.
>>97749686self-driving carriages sound like a no-brainer for any setting where blacksmiths are skilled enough to craft things like automatonsand who is to say that hephastuses automatic carriage wouldnt build a model T?
>>97749443>I'm thinking about what the back of your eye sockets would feel like on the tips of my fingers.I'm continually amazed how someone can be rejected so thoroughly by both 4chan and Reddit.
>>97749289I reiterate, nobody likes spreadsheets, they’re boring.
>>97750257> be rejected so thoroughly by both 4chan and Reddit.Can’t think of a clearer sign that someone’s got problems and really, REALLY needs therapy than having the two most dysfunctional sites on the internet say “we’re not gonna put up with you, fuck off”.
The S&S aesthetic peaked in popularity in the 80s and dinosaurs peaked in popularity in the early 90s, so art trends from that era trained us to associate the two with each other. This is also why pre-Jurassic Park style dinosaurs feel especially appropriate for S&S.
>>97741002fpbp>>97740981>I'll do a 360 from the table and leave your campaignSpeaking volumes towards your intelligence.
>>97753152Seems stupid to put armor on dino's tail.
>>97753161it balances it visuallynot armoring the tail is like drawing someone with no details on the shoesthe armor isnt important, its just adding a little bit on both ends so it doesnt look like you put all your effort on only the front 3/4ths of the subject then forgot about the last 1/4thyou could replace it with a spiked club for all anyone cares
>>97753161It makes sense, not everyone is an ankylosaurus
>>97750312I've never been to Reddit and I'm not going back to therapy. I want to stalk random people who run their mouths.
>>97745051Unfortunate FFXV player here. The car was easily the best part of that shitass game. Especially once it could fly (read: crash hilariously)
>>97741021Wrong. Cthulhu Mythos monsters have been part of D&D since 1980, and for instance Carcosa is great.You just had your taste in D&D ruined by WotC.
>>97755073>Wrong. Cthulhu Mythos monsters have been part of D&D since 1980, aNo one is saying they haven't been part of D&D, dummy. They have. Just like dinosaurs.By the way, how would you feel if you hadn't had breakfast today?The point is they're both a bad fit. Dinosaurs were real and they introduce an element of evolutionary theory that clashes with magic and fantasy Same as Cthulhu mythos. Their fiction is they are interstellar beings who visited earth in Deep Time, can travel interdimensionally, etc. Thus they too are governed by real "science". Based on your previous comment I feel compelled to point out no one is saying Cthulhu is, in fact, real.
>>97755590>Dinosaurs were real and they introduce an element of evolutionary theory that clashes with magic and fantasdinosaurs can exist for the sole purpose of looking coolthey make about as much sense as dragons do
>>97755590>can travel interdimensionally, etc. >Thus they too are governed by real "science"lmao
>>97756171
>>97756215>i have no argument so must accuse everyone of being socially maladjusted ironic
>>97756223>>i have no argument so must accuse everyone of being socially maladjusted >ironic"Here's a meme about low IQ that I'm too low IQ to understand but I see a black person so I assume it's about being socially maladjusted"
>>97756234nou
>>97740981Because Conan and other swords and sorcery settings have more exaggerated anachronism-- if you can accept iron or steel weapons in the hands of people wearing loin cloths you probably find dinos feel about right.The more a setting tries to hide its anachronisms behind gygaxian nutsackery, Tolkien-based-vibes, and/or historical ignorance, the more dinosaurs feel "out of place" because their anachronism doesn't require a frontal lobe to identify.
>>97756299Conan being a nudist is from post Howard, both he and Kull used armor in the original stories.
>>97744802Darwin was wrong. All humans were created by God, in the image of God.
