>medieval christian aesthetic>pagan, polytheistic pantheon
>>97742169Have you tried not playing dndogshit?
>>97742169... yes, and?
>>97742169>Op is a fag>also he sucks cocks
>>97742242OK, but is he a fag because he sucks cocks or does she suck cocks because he is a fag?
>>97742169Most of Christianity's divergence from Judaism came from late-Roman syncretism and Stoic metaphysics to begin with, including rather more of the aesthetic than people would tend to be comfortable with. Though the specific rituals are greatly exaggerated by neo"pagan" losers.
>>97742169What does the word "fantasy" mean to you? Assuming there's a human behind this post and one actually willing to talk, of course.
>>97742214OP like you is a retard never played anything other than penises.
>>97742259Chicken or the egg. Male chicken.
>religion>>>/x/
>>97744315Rape.
>>97742169But enough about Catholicism.
>>97742169Yeah, Catholicism is basically that anon.
>>97742169Trench Crusade
>>97742169Reminder that Medieval Christians lived (mostly peacefully) amongst Jew and Muslim heretics.
>>97742169As long as you call them saints instead of gods, its historically accurate.
>>97742169>roman aesthetic>roman style pantheon
>>97746618This is probably AI?
>>97746621Mostly. But they had to pay relgion tax.
I'm thinking of having my Rogue / Bard's former gang to have performed half-the-time as fake pilgrims, half-the-time as iterant actors/musicians, during her teens, so they wouldn't get arrested for vagrancy or thievery. Is this a good strategy to go from town to town without raising suspicion? Would you recommend any flavour or quirks for that experience?
>>97742169>pagan, polytheistic aesthetic>medieval christian pantheon
>>97742169You don't care about theology done right, you just understand it less than the average DnD type setting does. Christian aesthetic does work with a polytheistic setting. You just have a hierarchy of gods rather than 1 plus saints plus god's mom. That makes sense. It works fine.But DnD religions never make sense as religions in their own settings. They're always so tacked on. For one the fact the gods are real in a very present and obvious sense takes away from all the little rituals and traditions people make up around their beliefs that evolve into bigger things.
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>>97742169Stat them!
>>97742262Judaism became monotheistic after Christianity.
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>>97742602There isn't.
>>97742169>medieval christian aesthetic>pagan, polytheistic pantheon>monotheistic religious structurefor what fucking purpose
>>97747726>for what fucking purposeRape.
>>97742169Monotheism was invented in the 17th century to distinguish Christianity from Islam and Judaism. The Catholic church believed in a wide array of divine powers including 3 gods, a devil and countless saints and angels and demons. Christianity always had a pantheon--it just said "but this one god is the really important one."
>>97747872Islam and Judaism are also monotheistic thoughbeit, which is why they were generally recognized by Christian scholars as being more advanced than true heathens.
>>97747881Well I'd say that "none of them are monotheistic," but I'm not presenting an argument. I'm relating a historical fact. Monotheism was invented in the 17th century by Christian philosophers to denigrate Judaism and Islam. That's just a thing that happened in history. Does it make a lotta sense? Nope.
A priestess should look the part.
>>97747886>I'm not presenting an argumentI can see that, you just seem to be making things up!
>>97747893Google it and learn if you're interested.Monotheism? Invented in the 17th century. Why? To be mean to Muslims and Jews.
>>97747899>google itThis just means "I'm full of shit".
>>97742169Yeah fantasy religions are so fucking lame most of the time despite having everything in their favour to be great. Very few IPs make it actually believable or cool or interesting. Most of the time it feels like reading Harry Potter fanfiction with all the lamest parts of greek mythology sprinkled in, always greek mythology for some reason, not even Nordic or Aztek or Roman or Japanese, all they know is Loki gets fucked by a horse so he is a faggot role model apparently
>>97742169but the christian attire follows the pagan traditions and evolved directly from them. realistically they would all wear undyed linen or low grade wool, anything that's easily availablealso medieval europe was actually quite polytheistic until about 900AD and even after most of middle and western europe got christianized there where still remainders of pagan worship in form of common tales and customs, the best known of all being the christmas tree. it got so bad in the late medieval/early modern period that saint cults emerged, worshipping specific saints next to jesus and God. these cults are the entire reason common people started to use biblical names and why we still use names like peter and michael also also at least the old testament is openly polytheistic but tells you all other gods are gay and retardedtldr: "christian" clothes are basically whatever, european christians never fully stopped paganistic customs,
>>97742169Isn't the entire concept of having Patron Saints and Archangels basically pseudo-polytheism?
>>97742169why are you angry at people souping their favourite flavors together their settings?
>>97747888Spammers from Art Station, r/ImaginaryWhatevers, and u/puckee should face the wall and be shot.
>>97748160>the christian attire follows the pagan traditions and evolved directly from them.False. It evolved from the clothing of Roman commoners. Their goal was "dress like poor people." They iterated on that adding in layers of symbolism, to reach what we currently think of as the traditional religious costume. That's Roman cultural influence, not "pagan" influence. The connection is to the Roman poor, not to pagan religion.>medieval europe was actually quite polytheistic until about 900AD and even after most of middle and western europe got christianized True and Scandanavia didn't start converting (mostly) until then. It was the 14th century when Lithuania (the last big group) converted.>the best known of all being the christmas treeFalse. Christmas trees have nothing to do w/ pagan holidays. It has to do w/ firewood gleaning laws in sixteenth century France and Germany. The notion that Christmas is a derivative of Yule or Saturnalia is flatly made up and has no basis in reality, at all. Same with Easter, by the way. The one and only connection between Easter and paganism is the name itself, which gave its name to the month of April and, in English, gave us Easter. In most languages, Easter is named after Passover, which is what it's directly based on.>these cults are the entire reason common people started to use biblical names and why we still use names like peter and michaelFalse. You're conflating two different things. Biblical names originally became popular in the early Christian period because people would take a "christian" name at baptism. Saint cults absolutely changed naming conventions, but the change was to use the names of the saints, most of which aren't biblical. The current popularity of biblical names is a result of the protestant reformation. It was a "we don't need you, church--we're already part of the religion from birth" statement of piety, to give your kids biblical names
>>97747888that's a holy warrior belonging to some kind of order. it's a cleric or paladin at best, not a priestesson a side note women in all media should be forbidden to be depicted with weapons/armor they would physically be incapable of using
>>97749703Because he got lost on his way to /his/ and doesn't know what fantasy is.
>>97747392>>97747396why is that nun green?
>>97750098Roughly the same reason that she's dual-wielding pistols and wearing heels.
>>97742169Medieval christian aesthethic was copied from earlier pagan aesthethic.
>>97750098Because real life is not a simple meme. Nun habits come in a variety of colours.
>>97750432False as I pointed out here: >>97749997It evolved outa looking like Roman poor. Not outa emulating Roman religion. But it very much evolved into entirely its own thing, by the time you get to a nun's habit, and no longer looked like anything Roman at all. The nun's habit, when it came from "pagan" cultures, was just a simple-ass roman tunic, stola and veil. Which were not religious garments and were worn by normal-ass people. To call that a "pagan" aesthetic is a nonsense. By the time it was dictating the dress of nuns and monks, the general populace was already Christian.
>tips fedora>mi'lady
>>97742169Everything good about Christianity came to it from syncretism and synthesis with European culture and religion, and the fundamentals of Christianity as a product of Semitic mythology is what marks it as inherently evil in every meaningful sense. In many ways, the "medieval Christian" reality was effectively a pagan polytheistic pantheon already, with conjured-up "Saints" that totally-just-happens-to-fit-the-niche-of-this-widely-acknowledge-literary-deity-ha-ha taking seats within an ersatz pantheon.A medieval society sans Semitic soul-poison still inevitably developing roughly along the same lines (in terms of aesthetics and the like) as in real life is not as far-fetched as smoothbrains may assume.
>>97749997>False! It evolved from the clothing of Roman commoners!So, not false at all.>The notion that Christmas is a derivative of Yule or Saturnalia is flatly made up and has no basis in reality, at all.Completely false. We literally never stopped celebrating Yule in parts of the world. It just got a coat of Christian paint.>You're conflating two different things.No, you are deliberately conflating things through pedantry because you're a dishonest Jew. It is possible to add detail to his statement, but his statement is still true, and he did not conflate anything. I would say that you should reconsider suicide, but with any luck your next-door brothers in faith will plant a rocket in your living room any day now.
>>97747726>for what fucking purposeWhy not? It is a likely progression that could easily have happened as powers centralize, retard.
>>97750665Before you get inundated with "le fedora" macros, ask Christian apologists if they know "St. Paul's" birth name. That's always a good one.
>>97750686>So, not false at all.It evolved from "pagan" clothing only in that yes people wore clothing before the advent of Christianity and continued to afterwards. Pagan religion had no influence on that clothing.>Completely false. We literally never stopped celebrating Yule in parts of the world. It just got a coat of Christian paint.Factually incorrect. Look it up. Christmas trees have no connection to Yule. None.Here's a good video about it, if you have trouble reading: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m41KXS-LWsY>No, you are deliberately conflating things through pedantry because you're a dishonest Jew.False. The convention of naming children after saints comes from saint cults. The modern convention of naming children after characters in the bible comes from the protestant reformation. These are not the same.
>>97750686>No, you are deliberately conflating things through pedantry because you're a dishonest Jew.Oh and incidentally, I'm Basque and an atheist. Not that it's relevant to facts in any way.
>>97742169Tolkien purposefully tried to avoid that and attempted to portray Valar more like archangels than like a pagan pantheon. IMO he didn't do a very good job by that regard.
>>97747881Islam has some weirdness like djinns that can be anything from powerful totally-not-deity-spirits to invisible folk who also believe in Islam.
>>97750776How are they not like angels?
>>97748478no and you’re stupid for suggesting it>>97750686hello, el departmento basado?
>>97750692What power centralized where?
>>97750812>no and you’re stupid for suggesting itIt absolutely is. And pagan deities were often turned into saints and angels in Christian mythology.
>>97750812>>97750820For example, Saint Brigid, who was a Celtic fertility goddess before becoming a Saint.
>>97750812>>97750823Or Chemosh, who is a demon in Christian Mythology. He was the patron deity of Moab in the Canaanite polytheistic pantheon that Yahwistic religion grew out of, eventually becoming Israelite religion. Or Asherah, who is a demon in Christian mythology but was once the high goddess of the Canaanite religion (and is probably just Ishtar), and was at one time Yahweh's wife. We've actually found temples that had standing stones devoted to Yahweh (who would become the Christian god) and his wife Asherah (who would later be villified and turned into a "demon" in Christian myth).
>>97742169>he doesn't know about saints and proselytization methods that created medieval christian europe What kind of fag doesn't make their own not! Christianity standin?
>>97750969What's yours, anon?
>>97742214Not a single canon D&D does that.
>>97751626I mean Helm is directly modeled on militant crusader organizations and Ilmatar is directly based on monastic orders with vows of poverty. So they kinda do, anon. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, though, and I particularly like both those clergies.
>>97748160>the best known of all being the christmas treea tradition that originates in one region of Germany in the 14th century at the earliest is not the best example of syncretism. So help me God, if you bring up the easter bunny as an animal holy to Eoster next I will call you a retard.
>>97750859you're stating a lot of suppositions and theories as set in stone truths here. Most of these transformations happened so long ago that we have no written records and never will so we have to assume via etymology.
>>97750969>notnot
>>97750812So how exactly is worshiping the patron saint of [concept] any different from worshiping the pagan god of [concept]?
>>97750098The black washed out. She wears only old dress.
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>>97752127No I'm stating facts as facts and we absolutely have the exact evidence to back up every single thing I stated.
>>97751553Wheelers. Worshippers of the son of the Architect, broken on a wheel not a cross by the ancient now fallen elven empire. They have weird hats, pointy noses and strange rituals. The Orthodox Wheelers are Catholics. The various Protestants, levellers, diggers, etc. are Breakers, using a damaged wheel to symbolize their distance and break with the centralized church. I make up random saints in various towns as needed, drawing on various notes taken from here and a few tables. I've also just looked up what saint's day it was that day of game and riffed on that. Most villages are up to some sort of local festival that's tied to older rituals but reworked to be Wheeler based, like a Grave Whisper day where every family nominates a member to sleep on an ancestor's grave and hear their wisdom, demands, etc. Satan and the forces of hell are The Antagonist. Pagan stuff that's been pushed back into the woods, hills and borderlands worship various Antecedents and Antediluvian monstrosities. There's not muslim/ottomans to the east doing their own conflicts with occasional incursions. Whole setting is roughly 1500-1600s mashup of things I like.
>>97749997Finland has Christmas (eli Joulu) traditions that predate Christianity's arrival into the land.
>>97755020That's sweet but compeltely irrelevant (and probably false).Christmas and Christmas trees are not pagan in origin. That's a completely false claim. That it has non-Christian elements that have been absorbed into it is certainly true. Take the cococola bear/images for an example that we can easily trace the origins of. Christmas has lots of things added into it. But its origins (and Christmas trees)? Nothing to do w/ "paganism."
>>97752639You don't worship saints, you venerate them.
>>97755835>Well listen to our detailed semantic arguments that explain why it's differentThe truth is that they were seen as supernatural powers people could appeal to through the proper ritual behavior for magical intereference in their lives. Which can be said of every "pagan" religion's various powers and gods and other supernatural beings, too.>but our internal theology draws a distinction between what we do and what other people do!Isn't relevant.Christian religious practice has always recognized a wide variety of supernatural powers to be appealed to or protected against. Just like every other collection of religious traditions. There isn't any theological argument you can construct to explain why "that doesn't count!"
>>97755835>You don't worship saintsThe same way Rome didn't have human sacrifices. They just executed prisoners ritualistically at a temple.
>>97750686Yes you did. The Christmas tree wasn't even all that common 500 years ago.
>>97747888>puckee spamming his commissions againhttps://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/1j5ot3r/artcomm_sister_althea_human_cleric_by_dennis/https://desuarchive.org/_/search/image/nJCQeA9MiQuu2AvMvA_6Gw/>31 times since March 2025
>>97742214That's not a worldbuilding thing exclusive to D&D, though.
>>97742169Traditional games?
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>>97771806Janny application status?
>>97748478>confusing catholicism with Christianityanon, I...
>>97742169Why is this a thread. There is no content. There is nothing to reply to. There is no prompt for discussions. Where the fuck are the janitors? This should not have made it past 5 minutes.
>>97783336i mean, what he describes is the state of a fuckton of ttrpg religions, faux-christianity is really popular in that context
>>97746664I want to have sex with nuns
>>97750686>We literally never stopped celebrating Yule in parts of the world. It just got a coat of Christian paint.That's really just Varg's crazy musings
>>97772576Delete the post if it offends you, wannabe janny.
>>97747888Very constructive post with slop art
