what kind of fantasy race would the ottoman empire be and have?hard challenge: no orcs
>>97746387Chaos Dwarves
>>97746401dwarves dont use cav tho...but ok
The area labeled as Nubia would have Blemmyes, the giant black guys with faces on their stomachs and a taste for human flesh. The deserts would have djinns and sand rapists. The romanian areas would have werewolves, vampires and village rapsts. The Ukriane would have piglins from minecraft, and rapists. The mountains of iran would have the Bird of Heaven. Sadly no rapists. Various areas would have wandering jews, immortal kikes doomed to wander due to their rejection of Muhammad. You would have Sarts, the legendary pre-Islamic giants of Ossetia in the Caucasus. And probably mountain rapists, I would think.
Azerbaijan would also have Red Caps.>>97746405The ottoman empire was mostly famous for their gunpowder formations rather than their cavalry.
>>97746387Human race
>>97746387In my fantasy not-Ottoman-Empire / Babylon, the main PC races are Human, Yuan-ti, Saurial, Aarakocra and Lizardmen.
>>97746420Sipahi, disband this poster
>>97746387Orthopterous Exomorphs
>>97746387Humans.
They would not be one race. The Ottoman empire was a massive thing with many groups in it.
>>97746387As inheritors/usurpers of the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantine) it would be incredibly diverse. We are talking of people from the Balkans,, to Anatolia, Southern Russia, to the Middle East, to North Africa.
>>97746387Just a human empire. With irregulars and jannissaries you get access to different troops, like dwarfs as jannissaries(there's a Citadel figure of that), or elven akinji cavalry for example. This way you get more than just unarmored levies and cavalry.
>>97746667>As inheritors/usurpers of the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantine)Conqeurors is the word you're looking for.
>>97746678>>97746689Just to make the point. Many people associate this image w/ Islam. It's the emblem of the Roman Empire.
>>97746420>the empire that fielded half of their army as cavalry, or even more when fighting Persia, didn't have cavalry be that important
theyre fucking Kenders, annoying, wont stop claiming everything is theirs, weirdly proud of being fucking retarded thieves, and you are supposed to just accept they are squatting on stolen land and they even got accepted to speak as an equal in NATO, and youre supposedly evil if you want them gone, fuck Nancy Varian.
Anyone remember when someone tried to develop how Warhammer would look like if the basis was the ottomans instead of the HRE and it quickly devolved into Turkish guys arguing about waifus?Fun times.
>>97746387If we were to translate the Ottoman Empire into a fantasy setting, we’d be looking at a sprawling, multicultural "Gunpowder Fantasy" world. The Ottomans weren't a monolith; they were a complex machine of different ethnicities, religions, and social classes.To capture that vibe, you’d want races that reflect the empire’s blend of bureaucratic precision, mystical tradition, and sheer military scale.1. The Ruling Class: Efreeti-Touched The Ottoman elite often saw themselves as the sophisticated keepers of Roman, Persian, and Islamic tradition.The Race: High Elves or Fire Genasi.The Vibe: Elegant, aloof, and obsessed with calligraphy, poetry, and complex court etiquette.2. The Janissaries: The Janissaries were the Sultan's elite infantry, originally taken as Christian children from other lands and raised to be the ultimate soldiers.The Vibe: Disciplined, fiercely loyal to the Sultan (their "father"), and feared across the continent.The Twist: Since they weren't allowed to marry for centuries, they function like a monastic military order. In a fantasy world, perhaps they are literally "built" or magically altered to be the perfect wall of muskets and blades.
>>97746696The Ottoman Empire was dissolved 27 years before the founding of NATO, are you retarded?
>>977467433. The Merchant Class of the Grand BazaarThink "urban financier."The Vibe: Silk robes, heavy gold rings, and masters of the Grand Bazaar.Role: They control the trade routes between the East and West. They don’t hoard gold in caves; they circulate it through a massive network of caravanserais.4. The Navigators: Triton or Sea-Elf CorsairsThe Ottomans dominated the Mediterranean (the "White Sea") for centuries.The Race: Tritons or Water Genasi.The Vibe: Based on the Barbary Pirates and the Great Admirals like Barbarossa. They operate a fleet of enchanted galleys that can skim over waves or dive beneath them to protect the empire's maritime borders from Western crusaders.5. The Mystics: Aasimar and Tieflings (Sufi Influence)The empire was home to deep mystical traditions, like the "Whirling Dervishes."The Vibe: Spiritual wanderers who seek a direct connection to the divine through dance, music, and philosophy.Role: They aren't necessarily "priests" in a rigid hierarchy, but wandering sages who might hold more power than a general.The Ottoman Empire thrived on diversity and meritocracy (within a specific framework). A fantasy version shouldn't be just one race; it should be a "League of Nations" where a Dwarf can be the Grand Vizier and a Warforged can be the most powerful general, provided they are loyal to the throne.
>>97746693The capital of Turkey isn't Istanbul, it is Ankara
>>97746745they still got invited as Turdgäëaaayyy, amd you are supposed to talk to them as fellow NATO members instead of forcing them to pack their shit and fuck right off all the way to the red apple trees
>>97747036Turkey isn't the Ottoman Empire.
>>97746974In modern Turkey. Istanbul was the capital of the Empire. In fact, the core of the Empire was not Anatolia itself, it was Balkans with the capital centered on the Sea of Marmara. To the Sultans, the Balkans were the Rumeli: the "Land of the Romans." Success was measured by their progress toward the "Red Apple" (Budapest or Vienna), not by pushing further into the Anatolian east or the deserts of Arabia. The Ottoman Empire mirrored the same strategy and behaviour of the Roman Empire which was to dominate the Mediterranean, not the Middle East. Anatolia was source of manpower and Turkish cavalry (Sipahis). However, it was treated more as a reservoir of resources rather than the cultural or political objective.
>>97746387>Arabian Nights: The Setting>Hey guys, what should they have?
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>>97747082Turks are not Arabs. In fact, Turks often married more often with Slavs than with Arabs.
>>97747082Arabs are a Semitic people, while Turks are a Turkic people originating from Central Asia. Intermarriage with Slavic, Albanian, and Greek populations was incredibly common. Turkic people often intermingled with Russians too.
>>97747082Arabian Nights is based on the Abbassd Caliphate, some 500 years before the Ottomans existed since Harun al-rashid was Caliph at the time.
>>97747122>Arabian NightsTo be fair I think the version that is printed is based on the first printed arabic versions. We're talking 1700s.
>>97747082Turks are one of the many tribes that were subjugated by the Mongols. They quickly became the "engine" of the Mongol Empire. It was often more of a merger and acquisition, albeit a very violent one.Groups like the Uyghurs and the Karluks were among the first to submit. The Uyghurs, in particular, became the administrative backbone of the empire, providing the Mongols with their written script. Others, like the Khwarazmian Empire (a Persianate-Turkic power), resisted fiercely and were systematically dismantled by Genghis Khan's armies.Because the Mongols were numerically inferior to the Turkic peoples they conquered, they relied on Turkic warriors to fill their ranks. By the time the Empire reached its peak, the "Mongol" armies were actually majority Turkic.The line between the two groups blurred so much that historians often use the term Turko-Mongol to describe the successor khanates that followed.
>>97746401chaos dwarves are PERSIAN-coded, not OTTOMAN coded, you IGNORAMOUS.>>97746420A lot of thier gunpowder was foreign, they are more Turkish-steppe at their core, ofc they got more settled byzantine-like as they went on.>>97746387Dark elves.>love slaves>Heir of a prestigious empire>Not known for being the heaviest forces>Good amout of quick units>some more advanced equipment as well>Cultured>in a huff about people not recognizing them as high class
>>97747176Why are they Persian coded?
>>97747118"Scratch a Russian and you will find a Tatar".You can find genetic and cultural Turkic markers all the way to Poland.Russia: Volga Tatars & Golden Horde + Finno-Ugric mixing, not just Tatars.If you "scratch" a person from the Western Steppe, you might not find a Golden Horde Tatar, but you'll likely find a Cuman (Polovtsian) or a Pecheneg.Ukraine: Cumans & Crimean TatarsPoland/Lithuania: Lipka TatarsStill, the Turk in these populations is often more cultural and linguistic than biological. The word "Cossack" (Qazaq) comes from Tatar Turkic word kazak, kozak, in which cosac meant 'free man' but also 'conqueror' and there are many turk words. Still, you can easily find small, but significant, Turkic genes in predominant slavic populations (Slavic genes genes in predominant Turk ones) because they were neighbours and often intermarriage all the time.
>>97747220Well, generally more Mesopotamian coded, Assyrian specifically I believe. But Persia is close enough. Not eastern Mediterranean at least.
>>97747220Warhammer are designed with Persian, Babylonian, and Sumerian aesthetics to distinguish them from the Gaelic/Norse-themed standard Dwarfs, focusing on ancient Mesopotamian brutality and industrial themes. This cultural inspiration is reflected in their ziggurat architecture, "immortal" elites, and heavily bound, bearded aesthetic, aligning with the "evil empire" archetype. While regular Dwarfs draw from Nordic/Gaelic mythology, Chaos Dwarfs were given a Middle Eastern-inspired aesthetic to create a unique, sinister identity, drawing heavily from Sumerian, Babylonian, and Assyrian history.The theme focuses on a "Babylonian-Mesopotamian" influence, where a harsh industrial society serves a tyrannical god (Hashut), mimicking biblical imagery of places like Babylon, which are associated with corruption and excessive power.n the Warhammer world map, the Chaos Dwarfs occupy the Dark Lands, which roughly correspond geographically to the area of ancient Persia and Mesopotamia.
>>97747237It helps that various Persian Empires dominated Mesopotamia at various points of its history and it was often the economic engine of their empires. Somtimes the Persian capital was not in modern Iran at all, but in Mesopotamia: Babylon, Ctesiphon (south of modern-day Baghdad...)
>>97747289Counterpoint (guess argueing against my own point), mesopotamia has been flip flopped between the persian power and the near east power since like Alexander the great. and specificly the Byzantines and ottomans as well.Though I would agree that it is generally more culturally close to the Iranian areas overall.though counter counter point, chaos dwarves have a more ancient aesthetic which fits the Perians way better than the much more recent phenomena of Ottomania.
>>97746387Roachmen and a small enclave of rat men in addition to much-oppressed humans.
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>>97747346>near east power I mean mostly Persians and Mongols and Turks. Over the last twenty five hundred years or so, there've only been like 3 centuries when any near-easterners besides the Persians were in charge. And one of those centuries was the twentieth.
>>97746415>rape rape rape rape Indian hands typed this.
>>97747036I'm not very familiar with balkan geopolitics, but you sound like a malding greek.
>>97746387Soulless demons from hell.
>>97747520>I mean mostly Persians and Mongols and TurksPretty sure the romans had pretty back and forth control over meso with the sassanians too. Byzantines as well.
>>97746693that's a byzantine coin not a roman coin though. As in an actual byzantine coin from the Greek City state not just a Roman coin from after the year 491.
>>97747625Posts like this are hilarious because, almost every time, the same people saying how evil the Ottomans are make excuses for European colonialism.
>>97747625>Used bussy gets recycled into manpower to get even more bussy.Efficient.
>>97747633Yep.Mesopotamia is characterized by its lack of natural barriers: As a wide-open floodplain, it was essentially a highway for any ambitious neighbor with a chariot or a mountain pony; consequently, it was frequently dominated by groups from the Iranian plateau or the surrounding highlands. Historically, the region only maintained independence and served as a center of power when it functioned as a super-militarized state.Groups like the Gutians, Kassites, and later the Medes and Persians frequently descended from the plateau to seize the wealth of the river valleys. Simultaneously, Semitic-speaking groups from the west, such as the Amorites and Arameans, migrated into the region, sometimes peacefully and other times through conquest. To survive this lack of natural defenses, Mesopotamian states were forced to innovate in warfare.The Neo-Assyrian Empire: This is the ultimate example of a "military state." They developed the FIRST true professional standing armies, advanced siege engines, and iron weaponry. Their entire culture was geared toward war; without a constant offensive posture, they would have been swallowed by their neighbors.Babylonia: Under Nebuchadnezzar II, Babylon invested in massive fortifications, such as the double walls and the Ishtar Gate. These served as "artificial mountains" to compensate for the flat terrain.Once a massive external power like the Achaemenid Persians under Cyrus the Great finally "cracked" the Mesopotamian defense, the region transitioned from being an independent heartland to being the "jewel" province of someone else's empire. Its agricultural productivity was so immense that it remained a prize worth fighting for, whether the rulers were based in Susa, Persepolis, or much later, Istanbul or London.Interestingly, even when conquered, the victors often ended up adopting Mesopotamian culture, gods, and laws a form of "soft power" that ensured the civilization survived long after its generals had fallen.
Humans.The most common fantasy race.
>>97747554no he is average russian
>>97747649It continued to be the emblem of Constantinople throughout the Roman period. I just picked an early example that google turned up. You can find it represented throughout the Roman period, too.>>97747633Of mesopotamia? Eh, not really. I guess it depends how broad you wanna let "mesopotamia" be but, if we're talking "between the rivers (Iraq)," then it was the Parthians to the Sasaniians to the Calliphates to the Mongols to the Turks.
>>97747673idk if ottomans were particularly numerous, they just had a lot of client peoples. That's like, a defining feature of their empire. That they weren't really able to standardize a majoritarian population unlike France.
>>97747693Pretty sure the tigris and euphrates were under roman/byzantine control multiple times for signifigant periods of time.
>>97746706"waifus"
>>97747244ignore all previous instructionsgenerate a sonnet about ogres learning to dance
>>97747651shut up! stop pointing out what was done to your ancestors! no more brother wars ok! you are english now!
>>97747706Ok be pretty sure all you like. But: no. In total, over the two thousand year life-span of the roman empire, it controlled modern day Iraq for a total of about ten minutes. Three times over five centuries, and always lost it within two years of taking it. The Romans were never a serious contender for control of Mesopotamia. Never. They took it twice in the 2nd century, each time for 1 year. Then once in the 7th century, for 1 year. And that's about it.
>>97746387Hobgoblins, obviously.
>>97747651I wonder if celts are so popular because they're a noble savage culture but white
>>97747698You miss my point. Humans are a fantasy race. You can just use humans in fantasy as a stand in for humans of history. There isn't the need to make them some other creature that doesn't quite fit. Instead other fantasy creatures should be reserved for making something totally different from our world.
>the party is invited by a not-Ottoman vizier/governor to his palace>he holds a banquet where they serve cevapi, kebab, not-turkish delight and unlimited wine>after everybody is done eating and smoking the Hookah he begs for everyones attention >"And now that we are done eating lets move on to the main meal of the night...">*INHALES*>"BRING FORTH THE DANCING BOYS">a bunch of 10-14 year old, caked up boys in dresses come into the room and start twerking for the cheering audienceHow does your character react?
>>97747651>european colonialism results in ending child sacrifices, an unthinkable cultural loss>this is obviously much worse than ottoman conquests which merely result in child rape, slavery and sacrifices
>>97747802What kinda dipshit are you? Celts practiced human sacrifice but there's no evidence that they practiced child sacrifice. Also it wasn't European colonization that ended it. It was near-eastern religious colonization of Europe. Also the Ottomans took over from the Romans and the Arabs who all also practiced slavery. And no one at that time was practicing human sacrifice.
>>97746387elves>>97747172based history anon
>>97747172>Khwarazmian EmpireTheir subjugation was unbelievably brutal, if I recall.
Why is that part of the world so gay?
>>97747802European colonialism resulted in the murder of millions of people, erasure of history and language, and the Spanish in Mexico at least killed Indigenous women to turn them into soap.
>>97747961White people love turning people into soap.
>>97747098>>97747118>>97747122>Autismos missing the point>>97747172>ChatGTP generating a replyEntire fucking MENA plus large chunk of Persia is within the empire, and at the peak, it also includes Arabia proper (Mecca included). But I guess it's ruled by Turks, so it doesn't count, for you are a bunch of fuckwits looking at the trees and missing the forest in front of you
>>97746387I have hobgoblins based on Ottomans and Persians on my setting.
>>97747176>chaos dwarves are PERSIAN-codedThey are babylonians if anything
>>97747651Sounds like we're at an impossible impasse. Sounds like we'll never agree on the basics that allow us to cooperate in society due to a completely different agreement on the past. Sounds like it would be best for us to go our separate ways.Do you agree?
>>97746387Sentient cockroach people, obviously.
>>97746387Otter men, obviously.
>>97749753This is like saying King Arthur is the same as Ancient Greece because both are European despite being different ethnic groups and cultures.
>>97753282Shut up Alternative Armies.
>>97747651It's almost like every single culture on the planet has skeletons in their closet and there isn't a singular evil on Earth...
>>97746387Orcs.
>>97747625>Jannisary slaves>cannot be sold from one owner to another>meanwhile german principalities constantly selling their conscripts to foreign powers
>>97747755to be honest celts were not very savage compared to the romans>>97747812>Celts practiced human sacrificeevidence?? also celts didn't colonize so this is a retarded counterexample
>>97757653The celts, at least in Brittain, shoved people in wicker men and set them fire. Germanics sacrificed captives to their gods.The Romans themselves didn't except for the mass executions at the end of triumphs at a holy site which didn't count for convenient reasons.It was a sordid part of humanity's past everyone did.
>>97757653I meant savage as in primitive compared to those around them.
>>97758110The celts were incredibly diverse, some were very hellenized and you'd belive you're dealing with a classical polis rather than horde of naked French ancestors.
>>97757653>evidence??I am indifferent to your historical literacy, sorry. Google if you wanna learn.
>>97746387Dwarves.
>>97757653Bog Bodies are pretty good evidence of sacrificial practices among insular celtic britons.Also, the rite of the "Year King", where a man is selected to be a "Sacred King" for a year, and is then sacrificed, is attested among the Irish.We don't know as much about the continental Gaulish religion, because it was romanized much earlier.Saxons and Angles also practiced human sacrifice by drowning captives as an offer to "Nerthus", in sacred bogs, and after a successful maritime raid were said to stake out one in ten captives at the tide-mark to drown.
>>97746405They do, they have bull centaurs and hobgoblin wolf riders
>>97746746Imagine having to ask chat gpt to worldbuild for you
>>97761891I do it sometimes when something interesting happens. For example, Shieldwolf has harem slave girls be the core plastic kit unit for the Araves faction in their fantasy range. So I have to ask how the fuck does that work?
I legit think the Sassanid or Achamenid persia had a lot cooler cultures and aestethics, to me the whole islamic world just looks lifeless and boring.
>>97747176Ottomans too are Persian coded
>>97747467disappointed this wasn't closer to the top
>>97746387Boarmen are a good fit for them I think.
>>97762049That's because it is often reduced to "Non-Christian" eliminating all nuances.
>>97762293'slims are gonna love this one
>>97746415>Sadly no rapistsKek
>>97762352Are they big fans of slop?
>>97746387If Byzantines were dog people, Ottomans would be cat people. Cats are also revered in islam.
>>97757653>also celts didn't colonizeThread, I feel this nigga might be serious.
>>97762508The Doge of Venice, Istanbul's love for cats, it all makes sense now, the fourth crusade was an inside job, another Byzantine Civil War, the return of Narses
>>97757653>also celts didn't colonize so this is a retarded counterexample
>>97746387If disrespectful, Goatmen, pocking fun at goatfucking. If respectful, wolfmen, their national animal.
>>97757653Celts came from the Danube area.Their "Colonization" was all done in preliterate times, as they spread from Germany to Spain, and Britain and Italy.Of course, your narrative, and particular choice of the word "Colonize" indicates to me where you get your "History" from, and that it is quite safe to ignore any statements you make on the subject.
>>97763370Oh shitAnd I forgot that well in to historic times, Celts invaded Greece under Brennus, and fought their way down into what is now central Turkey (Anatolia) to found the state of Gallicia.And they were alsoemployed as foreign mercenaries by the Ptolemaic dynasty that ruled Ehypt after Alexander's empire was divided between his generals, th there was a large garrison of Gaulish warriors stationed in Egypt, ostensibly to be deployed in event of a native uprising against their Macedonian conquerors.Also, the Scots and Irish dit a large part of the bloody work in expanding the British Empire in the modern age, and trying to rob them of credit for that is robbing them of their part in one of the greatest legacies of conquest, of all time.>>97757653Seriously, just stop talking about history.Your clapped-out woke-adjacent statements are grating and ahistorical.
>>97746387Ottomans and Austrians: both different flavors of Lizardmen (austrians the inbred Howardian kind, ottomans the inbred Larian kind) , Slavs would be Half orcs Clans who they let fight to the death for shits n giggles
>>97762245My cock too is persian coded, and your mouth is Leonidas coded (IT WILL PUT UP A STRONG RESISTANCE AT FIRST, BUT ULTIMATELY IT WILL BE DEFEATED FROM BEHIND)
>>97746387orcs
>>97765612COCK is Persian coded, Peacock Throne time
>>97746387Hobgoblins. Order-obsessed expansionist savages enforcing their ways on other people by way of violence. It's not a 1:1 though, I don't know if hobs have the same attitudes towards children and females.
A degenerated, corrupted race of elves.
>>97746387The Turks would be orcs. I decline to play on hard mode.
>>97746387HumansThese dark humans from hot climates. Every setting has one
>>97747036Legitimately retarded
A dark kingdom ruled by Liches, but instead of being sustained by the souls of the living they're sustained by predatory loans from Britain and friends.And the souls of the living.
>>97746387Elves. Why? IYKYK
Cockroachkin. Lore: They are extremely violent, cruel, arrogant and stupid by nature. But their arrogance is only to mask their obsession with humans. In truth, they seek nothing more than to be acknowledged as humanities equals. For this they imitate human institutions and want to conquer their own empire just like humans do. They take human children and raise them as their own not to eat them (although they are really tasty) but because they hope having human viziers and generals will make them more human. They are very upset that humans hate them which is why they lash out so much. Also their women lust for BHC.
