With the current controversy in 40K, post sub-factions you hate and think shouldn’t exist I’ll start.
>>97751599Oh? Well then, I propose we remove both the imperium and chaos from the game. Just to see what would happen.
>>97751599Space marine chapters.
>>97751599Custodes. I dont mind them in the lore, but they never should have become their own army. And neither should have the Harlequins.
What kind of faggot hates Steel Legion of all Guard regiments
While I like Farsight, it feels like they haven't done much with him or his Enclaves in 20 years. They should go on and declare the Tau Republic or something and give an excuse why the Tau Empire doesn't conquer them outright.
>>97751599We need more dom factions instead of sub factions
I used to like the Alpha Legion but their lore got dumber and more exaggerated and now it just feels embarrassing Also their color scheme got worse
Lamenters I hate them overrated lore chapter but I also hate marine chapters the fandom glazes to much You’ll tell men you hate marine wank but will be fine with it as long as it’s not painted blue
>>97751772They’ve rightfully been killed off by GW. No nazis in my hobby
>>97751599Is your name James Workshop by any chance?
I hate that these subfactions exist because back in the early days some very creative people made their own dudes with some great conversions and compelling backstory, and they were used as examples of what you could create for your own army.Now they are apparently the only subfactions that exist and any creativity is heavily discouraged as modelling for advantage or not being official models and therefore not tournament legal (which shouldn't be a big deal but 99% of the fanbase thinks is)
>>97751761This but AdMech.
>>97751599>With the current controversy in 40Khuh?
>>97751995Steel Legion players are having a meltsy because GW didn’t give them an entire range
>>97752030there were people who gave a shit about the Steel Legion?
>>97751995GW released a cinematic set on Armageddon and it didn't feature any steel legion at all, just kriegers and cadians. GW then handwaved that the entire regiment was basically extinct and that's why it didn't show up.
>>97751782>give an excuse why the Tau Empire doesn't conquer them outright.The concept is probably that the Tau leave him around as a Emmanuel Goldstein figure that they can make propaganda about to get people to hate him, except he's also blue alien Char.
Should I build a Thousand Sons army as my first army?
>>97752338If you want to just be warned that most people find painting trim to be pretty tedious
>>97752146I mean I can understand not including them because no models and cadians and kriegs are popular, but really, outright killing them off?
>>97752452They’re technically not dead just a “mere fraction of the Astra Militarum regiments on Armageddon”
>>97751917I am a nazi and i have been in your hobby longer than you have. I'm not leaving and subverting as many as i can to the cause, the zoomers cant get enough of it. Tick tock troon.
>>97752338Are you new to painting in general? They're kind of tough to paint, both marines and gors.
>>97751599Any space marine chapter (both loyal and traitor) that got changed into a semi-separate faction. Needless, bloaty and discourages playing more niche or homebrew chapters/warbands >>97751761Oh yeah, also 100% these
>>97752452I will laugh hysterically if they end up refreshing Armageddon Ork Hunters, with Catachans as an alternate colour scheme.TQ: Black Templars
>>97751599I also think the guard should be squatted, OP
>>97751917It's not your hobby and never will, you are a parasite at best.
>>97751599It is what it is, just paint your little plastic guys any way you like. Though I am going to strip these guys, learned a lot since and think I can do a much better job with the contrast on the coats/armor segments/weapons, and better basing.
>>97751753Just use Cadians for Marine Chapters.
>>97751599Girl Orkz
>>97751599Blood Angels
>>97751753just say you hate the game, Anon, you don't have to be here on /40k/.
>>97751599>Admech>Votann (lol)>Custodes>Grey Knights>Non-generic Space Marine Chapters>God-specific Chaos Warbands>Harlequins (should only be hero units for both mainline eldar factions)>Yutanni or whatever the fucking name is for that shitty "all for one" Eldar faction>Both version of Knights>The upcoming "Dark Mechanicus" army that's slowly being materialized
>>97753209This. I would argue against admech but the DaVinci thing is dumb beyond salvation. I would add all the redundant marine bloat, no need for 4 types of phobos + classic scouts, no need for god knows how many gravis + terminators etc. Custodes and knights as a faction. Are dumb, those have no place on the tabletop. Lost and the damned should be the only way or at least the main way to play chaos space marines, diluted between traitors and demons.
Add kroot as a faction.
>>97753106>I am going to strip these guys,Nah leave them, think of it as a portfolio piece
Remove>Guard>Space Marine chapters wholesale>Custards>Clowns>Farsight enclaves>AdMech>Side picking chaos warbands>Knights>Votann>KrootLooks like current year fa/tg/uys like the >Genestealer cults>regular eldar>Tau (the dude mentioning them was discussing farsight and not really offering the Tau wholesale for the purge)>Vespids>Bolter bitches>Orcs>Nids>Demons
>>97753265I'm pretty sure you can play a kroot only armyAlso kroot was almost a faction, then they chose tau instead
>>97751761Harlequins were literally their own army early on though.
>>97753494who's left?
>>97751726Make the game infinitely more interesting on average and btfo every secondary? I'm down.
>>97751808I concur
>>97751982admech should be a guard regiment. I cant remember where but some old white dwarf did a conversion of guard for ad mech by just adding robes to.
Dont get what all the hate is about.Do you really need several variations of the same "human soldier with gasmask" theme? I think what GW has done with stell legion is just fair, guard model range is too cluttered with dated old-fashioned shit from the times 40k had to compete with historical games, and 40k does not need to do that anymore.Simplify guard. We don't need valhallans, we have vostroyans for winter. We don't need tanith, we have catachans for stealth. And we just don't need cringey tallarns or mordians, period.
>>97751761>never should have become their own army.I concur.>neither should have the Harlequins.I do not concur.>>97751917Y r u gae?
>>97751772Contrarians. That's it. GW messed up in bringing back a character heavily associated with the Steel Legion and so naturally people are voicing their justified disappointment.
Isn't the Steel Legion more inspired by Soviet Mechanized Infantry with World War II German Paratroopers (Fallschirmjäger)?
>>97753257Agreed, the davincian Admech stuff is retarded. I kinda like the robot horse riders, but the winged units are dumb in an unfun way. Obviously, those exist because realistically, Admech should be able to use most vehicles from other imperial factions, and GW can't stomach the idea of creating a faction that can use a wide array of existing models.>inb4 "what about the Ynnari"I said wide array, and the Eldar barely have anything compared to the Imperium. Also the Ynnari went nowhere as a faction.
>>97753494>remove every factionThank Christ GW doesn't listen to this place
>>97755367I did not expect actual steel legions, but I do expect to see some Armaggedon Steel Legion guys in their world in the trailer.They can make random digital models after all (Vespid, the cute robot gun for the storm troopers, the guy that yarrick shot)Also why the fuck are Cadians and Krieg shooting Autoguns/Stubbers instead of lasguns even though you can clearly see they have lasguns is extremely strange
>>97755439That and the Union of British Fascists symbol as their logo
>>97755767>Union of British FascistsDidn't know the current British government had models back then. Cool
>>97751917This is bait but I'm still gonna call you a retarded nigger. You retarded nigger.
>>97753553Yeah, but they need an additional release or two. Like a plastic great knarloc, a straight-up Shaman, maybe a long-legged riding beast cavalry unit with marksman rifles.
>>97751599Space Marines, they basically add nothing to the game and just lead to marinewankI could see them as auxiliary forces of the Imperial Guard, similar to what >>97751761proposes for Custodes, but nothing more
>>97751599Eldar and Tau
>>97755756>They can make random digital models after all (Vespid, the cute robot gun for the storm troopersboth of those were models being sold for KT the odd man out without a model is the Armageddon noble telling everyone to retreat like you said. Otherwise the trailer was pretty much only advertising models you can buy right now or soon
>>97751599>current controversy?
>>97751982Admech would be far better if they had the Horus Heresy model and not the gay and retarded model we have instead
Custodes should be part of Imperial Agents.
>>97751599Modern Imperial Fists.Old Imperial fists, with their weird and disgusting rituals, flaws repackaged as strengths and chapter traits, and hero worship of historical figures that have tidbits of lore that make their actual story far less shiny, but more complex and interesting, were kino.Neophytes literally ate shit, to check an organ was working, but also for hazing. Being 'stoic' and 'unfailingly loyal' were just covers for lack of initiative, leading to a need to be tougher and bottle up their emotions to compensate.They derived therapy from 'The Pain Glove'. Self-torturing to drive out any mental unwellness in the face of overwhelming pain, and also proving to themselves their own strength by enduring said pain. An overtly terrible idea, but one that persists due to tradition and lack of initiative.Sigismund was a legendary Musashi-type warrior who 'technically' never lost a swordfight, but in reality got by on technicalities, being clever, and getting lucky and genuinely was one of the greatest fucking Fists to live because of his brain.NuFist lore is shit.The weird and wacky shit is all gone or made totally manly. The lasting character flaws are now totally actual strengths (we're super loyal and super tough and stoic and no nonsense). And the propaganda interpretation of historical characters is actually 100% correct, which actually just makes them shittier people with bigger numbers, who now actively do retarded things instead of just being flawed in some way.The pain glove is totally a manly mans way of getting tougher. They're stoic because it's good, and don't actually get depressing emotions. Sigismund is totally a badass templar with a european style sword who won every fight just by being better at fighting than everyone else.It's shit, Ward-tier rewriting.
>>97751599black templars are the most overblown shit i've ever seenoh wow you're crusading knights in the crusading knight faction, AND you don't follow the rules? next you'll tell me you're devotion to the emperor is just so strong, you don't even know
Done, only Gimli left and Ill never paint another LOTR mini ever.
>>97751599>>97751917HAHA
Cadians and Krieg just don't do it for me. I really think Mordians should be default Imperial Guard. They look impractical and authoritarian as befits 40K. And then Catachans and maybe Steel Legion(with raggedy Chem Dog heads as an option) as the alternative choices.Daemons should be summoned to help CSMs or traitor guard and not be an army on their own. Ditto for WHFB. Like you could have a Great Unclean One leading some Nurgle-aligned chaos warriors and pestigors, but it looks corny to have an all-daemon army.
>>97755227>mordiansThey should be the default guard faction, actually. Look more 40k than cadians and recolors look more distinct
>>97753209Absolutely based. plus gene stealer cults. Idgaf if people like them coz muh nostalgia. Terrible faction
>>97751753KEEEK
>>97781475Shit take. Mordians stand out too much. Cadians are meant to be your basic bitch guard for cooler characters to have in the background. That's literally the appeal of guard as a whole, taking regular Joes that would normally get lost in the sauce and make an army out of them. Mordians (and some of the other snowflake guard groups) erode that.I struggle to see the game better with any sub-faction removed. The ability for a random kid to base his army on fire marines, or wraith elves, or psycho metal-skellies, or build his own random group, is the game's strength. And from my foray into other wargames, what 40k does far better than all other competitors combined.
>>97751599Surely Krieg models look close enough to Steel Legion that there's near zero urgency for new models as long there's rules. Like I get they're not identical but you paint them the right colours and its pretty close.
>>97752452Kek
>>97788412>Mordians (and some of the other snowflake guard groups) erode that.NTAYRT. You're missing the point. Most planets that can muster guard regiments have their own local doctrines, uniforms and inspiration for various historical and pulp sources. Having a base set of models like caidans that can be converted to those multitude of random kid's doods goes with that. >>97781475This anon is retarded though.
>>97751599>no you see since their planet is ruined of course they would disappear>laughs in Cadian
Does anyone actually like any of the Ork clans? The only one that is even remotely interesting is the Blood Axes.
Armies that should not exist, and just be lore things:>Adeptus Custodes>Genestealer Cults>Chaos KnightsArmies that should not exist independently, and be part of another army:>Adeptus Mechanicus>Imperial Knights>Imperial Agents>HarlequinsArmies that should exist, but don't:>ExoditesArmies that should be part of another army, but don't exist:>Eldar CorsairsArmies that shouldn't exist, and don't:>Dark Mechanicus>Lost and DamnedArmies that should be separated and have their own unique rules, Space Marine Chapter-style>Ork Clans>Eldar Worldships
>>97796202>corsairs>don't existYou been living under a rock?
>>97796155Freebooters deserve to exist for Bluddflagg alone.
>>97768502Modern Fists are somehow even blander than Ultramarines. Smurfs at least have the whole Roman aesthetic going for them, their own mini-empire, their focus on logistics, but also on philosophy/statesmanship, as well as generally being somewhat more reasonable and humanitarian on average than most of Imperium. Also the beef with Tyranids. Imperial Fists nowadays are basically just generic space marines, but especially stubborn, good at defence and somewhat masochistic. Half of minor chapters have more unique flavour than that
>>97771777CheckedBlack Templars are filters for insufferable rightoid edgelords, just like Krieg is a filter for secondaries whose knowledge of the setting comes primarily from memes and Ultramarines are filters for bland normies who just pivot straight towards the default protagonist faction
>>97751917
kriegers more like kringers
>>97751599ynnare rape yvraine & visarch like they dideldar lore
>>97751917Based
>>97751599Idk ask /40kg/
>>97751599I hate Farsight because, like Tau in general, they don't do ANYTHING with it.
>>97751599>crying about any subfactions that aren't marinesSilence, marinepiggy
>>97751753>Space marine chapters.Chapters should exist, but they should not have dedicated codexes. All any chapter is should be a paintjob, one special rule and one unique unit, and that's it. And they should all be in the same codex.
>>97799558>and one unique unitStill more service than anyone else gets lel
