Chaos Triumphant edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/warhammer-the-old-world/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip>The End Times:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous Thread:>>97743128>Thread Question:What's your favorite geographic area of Warhammer Fantasy and why?
>>97756603>What's your favorite geographic area of Warhammer Fantasy and why?Most subtle trolling of AoS you could have done.Absolutely masterful OP.
>TQI like the "here be dragons parts", places that only have a few paragraphs of fluff which leave space for your own imagination and dudes. And the chaos wastes.
>>97756603>TQBorder Princes. A nice little sandbox area where a lot of factions could find some form of representation. Also a lot of biome diversity.
>>97756603>TQLustria, because it looks cool and is full of Dinosaurs.
>TQForests so I can ignore the rest of the setting
Are warsphinxes a good unit in the tomb kings roster? Should a tomb king ride one?
>>97756603without a doubt Naggaroth.It is the most interesting continent of all, full of mystery and unexplored lore.>the underground sea>Quintex>the petrified forestand I don't even like Dark Elves
>>97756767Too many mountains imo
>>97756760Sadly no and no.They're not tanky enough to compensate for their slowness. Fine for casual games since they're not bad, just worse than the others options.
>>97756781What happens here?
>>97756792Kislev
>>97756603>TQI honestly don't pay much attention to that sort of thing. I once tried to look into the Dark Lands because I like chorfs, and then got underwhelmed by how little was actually written about it.
>>97756781If you read the lore of any of these places it always mentions something like "and before the Dark Elves came here... there was someone else... but nobody knows who!" And I love that.
>>97756792>What happens here?unbearable things>TQKarak Eight Peaks for its overall design and the fact that it's the battleground for my three favourite factions
>>97756792Mormonts mainly
>>97756767I just wish we got more on the smaller settlements across the continent, both the permanent ones and the shade tribes. I know druchii are still gona druchii, but I want to see how it manifests when they're not being crammed together in hives and told to play highlander with their neighbors. I crave a more rustic kind of psychopathy.
>>97756823While I would like more exploration of the world pre-Old Ones, I think it’d almost be better to be left in myth. It helps the world feel “bigger” in a meaningful way.
>>97756863what I want to know is whether the towers the Dark Elves built around the North Pole have any relation with the citadels and towers the High Elves built around the South Pole
>>97756863You want to see Texas Crossbow Massacre and the Flyover State Dark Elves?
>>97756792we don't talk about it
>>97756302and do you know what units people nearly always use as charge blockers? skirmishers! Now I agree that it is entirely GWs fault they they write the rules so poorly that there is far too much room for interpretation with manouvre, the ASOIAF pivot from the centre system is clearly vastly superior to wheeling. Still if you only were to take skirmish out of the game TOW would be vastly improved as a rank and flank.
>>97756919Pretty much. So tired of these citadel slickers getting all the screentime and lore.
>>97757059Alternating phases and cutting down on the amount of dice rolls would also be neat, but they are not going to happen.
Has anybody tried Kings of War as a rank-and-flank game system? How does it compare to Old World? Is it flavorless?
C7 is looking to hire cartographers for Battlemaps, Zone maps, street maps, and world maps, seems to be for all their gamelines.link for anyone curious>https://cubicle7games.com/blog/cartographers-needed
>>97757221You'd think GW is mainly a dice manufacturer with the amount of them you have to roll for any of their games nowadays
>>97757274Haven't tried it, but it seems like it plays super fast and allows for some really funky corkscrew charges.
>>97756784Shame. What about carrion then?
>>97757349I wish I knew how to draw
>>97757349I wish I were homosexual
>>97757462If you found yourself in a warhammer general you’re already there.
>>97757349No white man could work there in good conscience.
>>97756603Tough one. Two come to mind>Karak Eight PeaksA perpetual three way war between Skarsnik/Gorfang, the Dwarfs and Skaven. Pretty interesting and was one of the very few segments with an OK conclusion in ET. >Chaos WastesA setting within a setting. Endless, perpetual possibilities. Mighty fortresses with impossible geometry, ever changing landscape, fields of blinking eyes on the ground, danger absolutely everywhere. A stranger can morph into a monstrosity moments after meeting him and going further leads to the realm of Chaos. It's just brilliant.
>>97756603Anyone who doesn't say the empire and its forests is lying and/or brown.
>>97757506coomer answer probably by an Imperial woman
>>97757477Are the Irish not white?
Are there really no universal magical items to give a character poisoned attacks?
Nothing new for ToW at adepticon is sad. Hell even LotR is getting stuff.
>>97757527Historically, they kind of weren't considered white.
>>97757629I'm kinda surprised MESBG is getting shown off at all, at least they books get hobby stuff in it
>>97757629We will get new WoC shown off in 2-3 weeks. They already pulled the old WoC battalion off the webstore
>>97757778Cope. It'll be cathay wave 3
>>97757839They will also probably announce the new Cathay Battalion box as well
>>97757839Not according to reliable rumour mongers
>>97757873>not according to reliabl-ACK
>>97757933this Boole guy sounds like an idiot - he doesn't want Hordes of Chaos?>weird amalgamationswhat, he didn't like Renegade Crowns?
>>97757516war hound unit when?
My vampire BSB is almost ready. Now to fuck him up with a freehand (that wight with wolf banner from previous thread was mine).
>>97758131Practice makes permanent, anon. Keep at it and you'll be freehanding things of beauty soon enough!
Sell me on Battle March. I don't want to build a big army but I already have some HE, Beastmen and Strigoi kits. Starting with 500pts to slowly expand and reach 1000pts eventually sounds fun. Is there any escalation campaign system for it released during the TOW era rather than repurposed from the previous editions?
>>97757933I am talking about Reformation, not the guy who crashed out and deleted his account last night. Also I do consider GC as Fantasy.
>>97758191What rumours has this reformation gotten correct to be considered reliable>I do consider GC aa fantasyGood because you'll see a whole lot more of them
>>97758210Also I consider the frog leakers to be accurate regarding the TK vs WE box because they were 21/22 on the FAQ leaks and those were precise not vague.
>>97758165It's literally just a small game of Warhammer Fantasy. Do you like Warhammer Fantasy? You'll like playing it at a smaller points value. What exactly do you need to be sold on?
>>97758232Not all games translate well to their smaller versions. WFB was notably bad at this, scaling down poorly from the standard game size the system was designed around.
>>97758243I've heard this opinion several times and I never agreed, even back in the day, I always liked small games
>>97758243If you like Fantasy you will like Battle March, if you don't like Fantasy you will not like Battle March.
>>977582438th edition was bad at that because 8th edition was not a well-written edition. 6th did it fine. TOW also works fine at smaller points values. I personally prefer playing at 1000 instead of 2000.
>>97758264>if you like good skirmish games you will not like battle march >if you suck a husk of fantasy’s cock off you will ingest its aids ridden cock off FTFY. Seriously just homebrew a mordheim game at that point.
>>977582676th edition also had Warhammer Skirmish. Old World does small games well because of the push and pull of combat, and it's not always a blowout because you failed one test.
>>97758267an aristocrat
>>97758285Yes, it did, and the skirmish rules were quite fun. There was also Path to Glory, which is really just further proof that 6th edition may well have been the best edition.
>>97757933>AoS is dying and we get more ChinaSweet.
>>97757933>>97758486Total grog victory. Extremely wary of neo-Brets but its what would have made me play AoS so
>>97758165Yes, Razing of Westerland journal has escalation rules starting at Battle March
>>97758285Not him but I recall wishing the old break test was in action when I tore apart some dwarfs on a charge only for it to fall back in good order. That said, i'd then have animosity.
>>97757962Yeah he’s an attention seeking faggot who was allegedly fired by GW. I don’t think he likes AoS or TOW.
>>97758640What could get one fired by GW?
>>97758656leaking company secrets seems obvious
>>97758640Apparently, Boole is several people, and one of them works in Specialist Games on TOW
>>97758672Oh ya. Oops.
Assuming you didn't have Black Orcs in 6th, was animosity really as bad as ut sounds? Going from TOW to try a bit of 6th on the side. How do i embrace my units just derping 1/6th of the time?
>>97756603>What's your favorite geographic area of Warhammer FantasyThe border between Ostland and Kislev>and why?That's where my dudes liveFor a more serious answer I do like the Empire as a whole, it has everything a fantasy setting could need; mountains, dark woods, open plains, spoopy zone, etc
I really hope the AoS reboot rumors are true because it sounds like they are making AoS more like Fantasy tone wise and setting wise. Which I am very open to. Fantasy will always be my love, but I never looked into AoS because every time I tried I got filtered by how bad the worldbuilding was.
>>97758987Sounds more like aos:imperium edition to me
>>97759004Eh ill keep an open mind. Maybe I am too biased against AoS but any drastic change I will at least be open to.
>>97758630I get the feeling sometimes, especially when it's super crucial to winning a game, but I think it prevents a lot more feelsbad moments.
>>97758987why would you want aos to be like fantasy when you have fantasy? it's not like it's going to end up churning out more viable proxies for fantasy, the factions that are direct continuations will keep being viable proxies, the factions that aren't will keep being terrible proxies regardless of the surrounding fluff
>>97759228if these rumors are true, they only make sense if they start making models with crossplay in mind.It solves a lot of problems in both systems (legacy factions in Old World mostly).
>>97758987not really it sounds like a total shitshow and if anything it portends that AoS will be squatted back into WHFB which is the last thing either community wants to happen.
>>97759336>crossplay in mindthat's not how gw is operating by now or will operate in the future, no matter how sensical it is for customers
>>97758922Into the treeeeshttps://youtu.be/xik-y0xlpZ0?si=H20FnCmrg9kOaVbX
>>97758987Sounds a whole lot like not my fuckin' problem and something people who don't play WHFB should be worrying about. Let them rot, I say.
>>97758987I'll be honest, I hope they aren't.AoS is never going to resonate with me, even if it becomes WHFB lite.I would rather AoS stays as it is and appeal to those people, so that TOW can remain a proper WHFB game (inb4 snarky "real WHFB game")That said it looks like AoS is getting the Gathering Storm treatment more than an End Times treatment from the rumours.>>97759336GW could do that now.They are tyring to remove cross-system compatibility.Whatever those AoS Bretonnia/Cathay/Nippon end up being, they won't be compatible or stylistically the same as with TOW.
>>97759458>TOW can remain a proper WHFBIt’s not thoughbeight. Arcane journals further proof the rule writers will enshittify tow in the future.
You guys aren't thinking of the best part. When GW confirms it there will be many Legacy armies on circle bases that will be up for sale for cheap.
This hobby needs more land/sea amphibious actions
>>97759458>I would rather AoS stays as it is and appeal to those people, so that TOW can remain a proper WHFB game (inb4 snarky "real WHFB game")I can understand that worry, but I don't think Fantasy is in any danger because we are a rank and flank. Due to this we will always remain a specialist game and thus we will escape the depraved desires of the suits at least most of the time. I fully expect the new AoS 5 to continue their diversity slop with 40k type gameplay. We will remain as the distinct historical setting, like HH is to 40k.
>>97759551wrong thread, buddy
>>97757516Not even. There's just something so cool about the empire being surrounded by gigantic, overgrown ancient forests with possible unknown threats behind every tree. It's some real Gothic Solomon Kane shit.I can just envision it. I'd love to see a lowkey Warhammer movie about a witch hunter heading to some village to deal with some kind of threat.(probably beastmen)Kind of like brotherhood of the wolf.
>>97759551they could just re-release man'o'war but considering BFG is still nowhere in site despite rumours going back 15 years it seems unlikely to ever happen.
>>97759551TOW needs Siege Rules before we get Ship-to-Ship Combat Rules
>>97759617>TOW needs Siege RulesReposting Hastings rumor
>>97759610>rumoursit was straight up explicitly announced with the revival of the specialist games studio, 11 years ago someone must be shooting the idea down for some reason
>>97759656
>>97759638I mean it seems too obvious that the chaos and kislev stuff along with the fortress would come out as a Praag themed supplement but either way I don't see GW passing up the Great War as a starter for a new edition.
>>97759659Specialist games really didn't do that many Box games after the burning of Prospero.wonder if they will even bother doing any for TOW
Remember that time FW proudly announced they were gonna make AoS kits and then they did like 2 stormcast head sets and quietly pretended it never happened shortly before they discontinued all WFB remnants.
>>97759687Aren't you forgetting somebody?
>>97759551>tow trying to ape pirates of the spanish main as revenge for getting cucked in 2005I see right through your glip little plans!
>>97759705That was a WFB leftover
>>97759705No, I just ignored that abomination.Also I think it came out before the announcement. Not sure.
>>97759718Nope, designed in 2017 according to the sculptor https://www.instagram.com/p/CocoogrNDpF/?img_index=1
>>97759705female sculptors fucking suck
>trash CardenInto the bin it goes
>>97759705Why was GW obsessed with stripping chaos champions of their armour back in the mid to late 2010s? It just looks stupid. I get it, 40k khorne models had parts of their body exposed and bits of their armour removed, but that wasn't really a thing in Fantasy with perhaps the exception of the 6th ed infantry khorne champion.
>>97759610Man o War was a naval fleet combat game, it wasn't 28mm boarding actions with amphibious assaults >>97759617TOW does need siege rules, but frankly, siege rules from any game are completely compatible with any other game, as generally they don't involve the units stats or abilities. You can easily play sieges in TOW right now using WHFB siege rules or even borrow siege rules from any historical game. Hail Caesar has a great siege system that you can use with TOW right now with zero changes. Lastly, simple siege rules are incredibly easy to homebrew. Problem is that warhammer players nowadays have become notoriously bad hobbyists, and most won't allow themselves to play siege rules that aren't marketed and approved by corporate for latest current edition. What is stopping you from using 6th edition siege rules?
>>97759881The answer is the first Age of Sigmar starter set.The good guys needed to be the dudes in heavy armor, the bad guys needed to look like rabid marauders.
>>97759967It was relevant since like 7th edition tho
>>977599827th edition is that weird moment where they thought people wanted Vampires to be all bald and muscular.They believed bald muscular men showing off their bare scalp and their bare arms was the future.Space Marine derangement syndrome.
How do you guys handle secret cultist players in your WFRP games? Right now I give my 2e players some whispering opportunities and demonic suggestions whenever fitting, but other than that, which I later reward with a small chaos mutation if they do enough or bigger acts of worship, but I’d like to know if any GM does it differently.
>>97760006Eh that was also the Jason Statham, Rock, Kratos, and all kinds of TV shows time period. That aesthetic was basically the oughts in general.
>>97759336>they only make sense if they start making models with crossplay in mind.Have you already forgotten the run up to TOW's release?Very few people expected they'd have two paralel model ranges, the majority thought that they'd just tell you to put the AoS models on square bases and clip off any AoS iconography because the alternative would be retarded but the retarded alternative is what we gothttps://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/87482230/#87503937
>>97760064Trying to avoid Twilight comparisons is why we lost sexy vampire miniatures….
>>97760093I can also see that being a factor yeah
I don't like AoS being made more like TOW. I was more comfortable with it being as different as it is now. Different audiences and all that.
>>97756134That won't solve conga lines, it just shortens them slightly. If anything they would need to specify some sort of "your units must be within a certain distance from the furthest unit" or a plainspeak "stop anal bead stringing your units out or we're getting a judge call to DQ your ass" in the book
>>97760222Tow is being made with the 5th edition audience in mind.
>>97760231Like 5th edition Fantasy? In terms of it being noblebright? I would be good with that if AoS becomes really grimdark like 40k. I never really liked overly Grimdark fantasy, call me a pussy.
>>97760017Stop playing that slop and play Mythic Bastionlands instead
>>97756603>TQI wasn't around for 6th Edition, but I really like Albion. I loved all the material that was introduced during Dark Shadows, such as the landmarks and native language, as well as the land's portrayal in Giantslayer.I just wish GW had further explored in afterwards, such all the enclaves that some of the faction founded.
>>97760385Yeah Albion would be a very cool direction to do a TOW expansion in. Lot of cool folklore not even counting what was explored during Dark Shadows.
I kinda care less for tow if they’re done with forgeworld personally. I liked them experimenting with shot personally.
>>97760605>they’re done with forgeworld?
>>97760605You know forgeworld hasn't been a thing in the sense that you are talking about at all in TOW right?
>>97760647>>97760836Nta, but I think he's referring of the team that used to compose Forge World, and which currently work on the other specialist games, like HH or BloodBowl.Idk what he means with the second sentence though.
>>97756603I like the south-Western empire, bordering Brettonia.I'm a Helmgart boy at heart.When them horsefuckers trundle up the pass to sample Reikland steel, we're always ready to greet them.
>>97759336>if they start making models with crossplay in mind.so like nuCustodes
>>97761738keep your eyes peeled for any company-wide shift on the "never cross the model ranges" policy
>>97756603>TQTilea. Full of mercenaries and squabbling city states, plus little "hard" lore, so you can fill in the gaps however you want
This seems overtly crItical of the original Orc and Goblin design. Did it really make them "LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE" as JTY is suggesting? Cause apparently lots of players still used them.
>>97758131Thats a nice looking flayed skin; whats the recipe?
>>97761789GW has this retarde brainrot where they think anything that isn't homebrew rules in your basement with your brother is competitive tournament play.Ever since the community demanded more attention for balanced matched play they shifted their focus to tournament-competitive thinking.That's the meaning of "pitched battle" and "matched play" to them
>>97761796Isnt the point of Animosity to show that O&G *are* aggressive and will descend into in-fighting if not kept in check?
what does JTY stand for anyway?James Timothy Yeats?John Thomas Yule?
>>97761801Yeah, Black Orcs were able to keep everyone in check, IIRC, so there was no need for a animosity roll. He just doesn't like flavovr and sovl in his wargames
>>97761816Idk, couldn't find a single article with his full name. Found picrel though.
>>97761801Yes exactly.>>97761854They had to reroll in 6th but ignored it in 4th of a blorc lead their unit. 7th the Black orc lead unit would take D6 Str5 hits. 8th back to 6th.
>>97761816>>97761871Jonathan Taylor Yorke
>>97759565I don't know.Heresy 3.0 has shown we could get fucked by GW at a moments notice.
>>97762042I am ready to rebase for Midgard at a moment's notice.
>>97762042It amazes me how much faith the TOW community has in GW, seriously. I keep hearing about how the game is "safe" based on absolutely nothing. Nu-GW is nu-GW, they give all their games the slop and faggot treatment, they do not discern.
>>97762067>the fucking they did to MESBGYeah, I can explicitly trust them to fuck up.
>>97762073>game is in kino stasis for ages>everyone is happy>suddenly they make it fucking anime
>>97762042yep 3.0 is absolutely the most damning thing the SGS could have done. It proved that they are controlled by the corporate mandate to simplify the game, are moving to squat any range not easiliy moved over to full plastic and that the relaunch of second edition was a 'nostalgia bait' which was totally scrapped once people were onboard for a ground up rewrite into an unrecognisable game which they justify as being more balanced. The heresy 3.0 treatment for TOW would be horrendous, we'd literally be looking at:>hey guys we now have four leadership stats, one for panics, one for lost combat, one for reforming and one for resisting magic!>you now need to keep track of unit debuffs all the time and they stack!>No more specialty units! Knightly orders? gone. Swordmasters and white lions? just buy the high elf elite and buy a great weapon for them! Black Orcs? well they are just boyz with heavy armour silly. >Will it use the old army comp with those extra journal ones? of course not, now you need to take the Empire State company formation with two melee batallions and a handgun echelon! Once you take it, you unlock the grand battery formation and may take two cannons!
>>97762077The anime isn't the issue. Turning everything into legendary legions, removing so many build options, making it so a lot of conversions are no longer game legal, and the massive Legacy cull (that didn't impact the Easterlings because why would it) did a lot worse than "here's some chick in a dress you can't heroic strike against who's defense is so bad any ranged army will kill her by turn 4 unless they get really unlucky".It gers confusing knowing it's only in Serpent Horde that the serpent guard and riders get a special rule, but not in the other ones, and because of how keywords work Haradrim heroes can spam halftrolls in another army and this is some goofy shit.To put it into perspective, imagine the microfactions from the launch of AoS except its still Warhammer Fantasy.It's a good thing most people are okay with Legacy since some armies are fucking gone otherwise.
>>97762067The fact anyone trusts this fucking company after the End Times is amazing to me.
>>97761796No but the people I personally know who played O&G found it frustrating. I really liked the concept, but in 8th at least, it felt like your whole army had stupidity.
>>97762086To be fair, having a stat block for "elite elf infantry" that has a few upgrade options sounds reasonable and less bloated than three different units with basically the same battlefield role and stats. Agree with you on the dislike for detachments and that kind of list building though.
I have a questiones about the Warhammer RPG.Luther Harkon, blessed be his soul, has rules for insanity, where he needs to roll Cool to stay calm.But what I don't understand is that I checked Cool, and it's a skill you use on yourself, you can't use it on someone else like I thought, so is it a roll the GM does himself?
>>97762086>Knightly orders? gone. Swordmasters and white lions? just buy the high elf elite and buy a great weapon for them
>>97762151the players don't control how mad luthor is
>>97762167I see. Thank you, I assumed players would get to calm him down with diplomacy and promises.
>>97762067the game is safe because they can ruin it and kill it 100 times and the community is now firmly in control, much more than 2015.
>>97762249You place too much faith on mindless consumer whores that refused to play this game when it was "dead".
>>97762258This general predates Old World
>>97762249>>97762270Tow launching killed the whfb scene. It's not coming back
>>97762279Proof that only Warhammer Fantasy can kill Warhammer Fantasy
>>97762258Enough people playing this game while it was dead is why they brought it back.
>>97762287Also there's Kings of War, Warmaster Revolution, 9th Age, there's an infinitely moddable video game, German Comp and Square Based comp rewriting the rules, there are so many lifeboats ready that the ship sinking doesn't matter.
>>97762270And most "grogs" moved on to AoS because company said so.
>>97762279Wrong. Where I live 6th ed is healthier than ever. There are tournaments once a month and games every week. I'm not talking about a small group of 5 dedicated grogs. The WhatsApp group I'm in has over 100 members, and that's just my city (the capital admittedly). Not only that, but we play an updated version of 6th ed, one that includes unit profiles for all models introduced after 6th ed (which are very well balanced I must say), and it also features army lists from all editions. So you can play 4th ed Undead but with 6th ed rules for example. Keeps it fresh. Aside from all that I have seen people playing pure 7th ed and 8th in my LGS too. I guess it depends where you live. In the UK, Spain and maybe some other European countries (Italy?) 6th ed is still alive. In the US, I get the impression unless you're playing TOW you have no hope. Wouldn't surprise me if Americans are unable to fathom anything other than "but muh supported".
>have a little fat cannon left after building a rocket batteryAny ideas for what to do with it? The bit's too good not to use.
>>97762305Yeah. I personally don’t think the Old World team will do bad with a 2.0, though allegedly we’re getting a 1.5 at some point that more or less consolidates all the current FAQs, so if a 2.0 comes out and sucks, I’ll just keep playing what I like. Rules are temporary, models are forever and such.
>>97761799Start with bugman > reikland fleshshade > layer of bugman. After that I use cadian flesh, blackert brown (Scale75) and harvester flesh (Scale75, however rose flesh from vallejo would also do the job). I unevenly mix three of them and stipple all over the skin. Brighter on the raised parts, less bright in the crevices. After you're happy with the effect mix carroburg crimson with medium 1:2 and stipple it all over the edges and wherever you think skin would be irritated. Follow up with druchi violet with medium in 1:3 covering only a few spots previously toned down with crimson. In the end mix Harvester flesh with kislev flesh to add a few very diluted highlights here and there. Sure it's chaotic and all about the vibes, but I can't describe it better than that.
>>97762309AoS is not solely the Mortal Realms, although nobody remembers at this point.In 2015 the world of Warhammer Fantasy died.From 2015 to 2017 all armies were playable with the rules of Age of Sigmar (without rebasing), and the Warscroll Compendiums always had this line at the beginning:>The warscrolls in this compendium allow you to use your Citadel Miniatures collection in fantastical battle, whether telling epic stories set during the Age of Sigmar, or recreating the wars of the world-that-was.In 2018, the "Warhammer Legends" project started, and the Warhammer Fantasy army books were getting a 1:1 translation to Age of Sigmar rules, special characters included (Grimgor, Ungrim Ironfist, Valkia, Prince Apophas, all of them).In 2019 Warhammer Legends died and "The Old World" was announced.In other words, all Warhammer Fantasy armies were always meant to be playable with Age of Sigmar rules, first with compendiums then with the aborted "legends" project. And I don't mean "transported into the Mortal Realms", I mean the Age of Sigmar rules were actually always intended to work for the old setting as well.In fact, characters like Throgg and Skarsnik are not playable in The Old World, but they were in fact playable in Warhammer Legends for Age of Sigmar, that's where their most recent rules are.
>>97762390If I remember correctly these rules were kind of an afterthought though, closer to what we would call legends (or I guess legacy) today. All of the joke rules that people like to rag on came from these compendiums for example.
man all i need is 1 fucking plastic horse for my general. in fact all i need is a horse head and tail. where am i supposed to source this shit. i have to buy a whole ass knight + shipping for one horse? nothing on marketplace for me
>>97762560>>97762560Go on eBay or literally any bits site dummy
>>97762580all crazy priced (and i need the barded heads and tails for the old plastic horses specifically)
>>97762305Is Kings of War actually good?
>>97762590That's literally just the current knights kit horsesI can see several on eBay rn for 3.30GBP, use the worldwide search you hopeless dumdum
>>97762590https://ebay.us/m/F0uHR1https://ebay.us/m/6iKDoy
>>97762627>for 3.30GBP,UKfags always living on easy mode Warhammer and assume it's the same for the rest of the world.
>>97762329What the fuck are you doing?
>>97762490the joke rules lasted from 2015 to 2016, then the "Grand Alliance" books released with non-joke rules and the compendiums just linked the old units with the new names from those books.Then in 2018 Warhammer Legends brought back together the old names and the new rules and there were no joke rules there
>>97762637>USfags always assuming they are the only country and don't need to mention their country Just get it posted to you, holy handholding
>>97762642You can glue the two green bits together to make a short cannon. The middle bit is also used for the rockets. Just trying to find a fun use for it.Or is your objection that I should have build the apparently OP cannon instead? I want one of each for fun and collection purposes.
>>97762654So yes then?
>>97762657Oh, it's a miniature. No, I was more objecting to build a cannon out of several pieces when it needs to be forged in one piece to not shatter.
>>97762133It's sort of a case of masochism to keep to O&G historically I guess?
>>97762657Maybe do it as a mercenary mortar project or maybe use it for a kitbash objective marker/unit filler
>>97762147you aren't wrong but the problem is that GW would do that and in the next edition you'd lose those options because 'lots of options are messy, take up too much room on a page, are difficult to balance and don't conform to our army building system', ala heresy 3.0. An example is assault destroyers which got cut in 2.0, added in an FAQ later, then in 3.0 destroyers got totally removed.
>>97762668yes for a year
>>97760093All the more pity since we had Underworld around then.
>>97762636the 2nd link is the head and tail i want, but id probably pay 30$ on customs fee :-Dddd (imma leaf)
>>97759886Based and true. All my niggas love siege warfare
>>97762329give it to the ogre instead of the barrel of gunpowder, and give the old man the cannoballs to carry, so they're effectively a cannon crew together or a unit filler for gunners
>>97762974The cannon is much larger than the barrel so no real way to make that work unfortunately. At least with my skills.
>>97763022then cannon on top of the old man and the ogre carrying the cannonball?
>>97759718WFB dragons don't look like Korean MMO bosses
>>97759687They did the bull centaur character too. And this guy, who was always sold with AoS branding, but I'm pretty sure he was originally sculpted for Fantasy.
>>97763244>>>97763323some fimir stuff too, and the kdaai destroyer got recycled into a khorne daemon
>>97763323Thanks for reminding me that AoS just got its own atrocious chorfs.
>>97763344the plastic centaurs, the dreadnought and the hobgoblins are at the very least useful for conversions
>>97763395The hobgoblins annoy me because the ones you'd want to use as cutthroats, and therefore have a lot more of, are more expensive (both direct and secondhand) than the ones you'd want to use as sneaky gits...>the dreadnoughtIgnoring my personal, intense dislike of that model, what would you even use that as?
>>97762073>>97762077MESBG 3.0 is great and removed the ability to make unthematic WAAC lists. The people complaining are comp faggots. They leaned into the setting of MESBG with 3.0 and it’s great that they did.
>>97763461nta but a kdaai destroyer or siege giant I guess?
>>97763461kdaii destroyer assemble it without the gun arms and you can use those for cannons, they're properly thick unlike the poor excuse of artillery they've got given
>>97763244FB dragons generally look absolutely ugly.
>>97763475It’s dogshit Jim. I’m convinced there is only maybe 3 people in total who play it, at least it’s current edition.
>>97762258That’s objectively not true. The community handling of legacy armies proves the fantasy community isn’t beholden to GW. This is pointless dooming.
>>97763484This is the only good GW dragon.they didn't design it obviously
>>97763498Well your convictions are objectively wrong faggot. It revived the scene in my area. You’re probably one of the WAAC niggers that was mad they can’t run their unthematic lists anymore.
>>97763518No I’m mad that they squated the shit I cared for and made some anime shit that’s insultingly boring.
>>97763513gw's only good dragons are the dead ones
>>97763564
>>97763572
>>97763572That’s not a dragonIt’s also ugly as hell and the terrorgheist looks better.
>>97763572That one's atrocious because it's not a dragon, it's a retarded terrorgheist.
I like the High Elf dragon and the Great Fire Dragon.
>>97763551Were you one of the people playing Far Harad? If that's the case then I am sincerely sorry for you, it was a cool army. I agree that getting rid of options that didn't have models was a bad choice too. But list building is one of the best changes they could have made. Instead of having way less ways to build that allowed you to exploit and abuse unthematic WAAC combos, we now have over 100 different lists that are all individually thematic. It's literally the best change they could have made imo to list building. And now that Depths of Moria has been nerfed there's not even any badly unbalanced lists in those over 100. Crebain still need a nerf but other than that everything is great.
>>97763582I like the all the elf dragons. But my favorite is a tie between the wood elf dragon and the dark elf dragon.
>>97763577This one's actually good because they rotted off the furfag heads the other dragons have.
>>97763729delete this
>>97763729Straightest AoS model
>>97763729Gay Dragonheart looking ass
>>97763580>>97763581>smaug counts>this one doesn't lmao, whatever you say
Wait, has GW squatted a big chunk of Battalion boxes? I don't see the WoC box on their store anymore.
>>97763882The end times are here again
>>97763882The new WoC sculpts are going to be revealed in 2-3 weeks along with a new battalion box that features them. We know for sure the Knights are getting a new kit, and the warriors themselves are probably getting a new kit too.
>>97763897Oh fuck my life, I want old Warriors and Knights but I won't buy regiment boxes - GW is charging ridiculous prices for them.
>>97763917Relax then, I am sure no matter what country you are in there are still plenty of WoC battalions out there in the wild you can order online, if not even from FLGS in your city.
>>97763917you can probably buy the boxes on ebay or individual shit on heavy discounts on ebay. I think I saw warriors being sold for like 50 bucks or something and that was before repeat buys. Just gotta look hard. Im with you on the knights though, whatever they release for them they will be dogshit and cant replace how good they were for kitbashing.
>>97763934>>97763936I checked most of the online stores I know in Germany and in the Netherlands and they are either sold out or have a silly price tag of 150-160EUR.
>>97764076Can't you order from literally anywhere in the EU because of the common market? Check other countries nibba, it's 2026 most browsers have auto translate built in.
>>97763882just the WoC and the Cathay one, the Cathay one is getting replaced as the old one was apparently "too good a deal"
>>97764093>Can't you order from literally anywhere in the EU because of the common market?Sure if you want to pay 25eur shipping fees by purchasing from a random Finnish store.
>>97763729Jesus Christ.
>>97764105You can just hop on a ryanair flight for like 20 euros yourself and make a day trip out of it.
TOW has fucked up WHFB so badly that I'm actually becoming nostalgic for AoS
>>97764113Let's make a deal. Find me an online store that has this box in stock, sells it for less than 130EUR and ships to the NL and in return I will stop to live in your walls.
>>97764130Sorry im not a janny I won't do it for free
>>97764130best i can do is 138 with free shipping
>>97764076Seriously what's with the pricing here in tikkieland? Every store just sells at gw price, 0 discounts.
>>97764130nta and not sure if they ship to NL but it's worth a try: https://latanashop.it/Warriors-of-Chaos-Battalion
the smaller online stores aren't that bad, dunno about local shops as i only have 1 that mostly sells 40k
>>97764481>>97764562i'm retarded
>>97764557Seems kind of sketchy. None of their "about us" or other such information has ...anything, and their terms and condition are ai generated.
>>97764614>https://latanashop.it/Warriors-of-Chaos-Battalionyeah, kinda. If they offer credit card payment only you'll know it's fake. If they offer PayPal there is close to zero risk for you as the buyer.
>>97764130Hier, mijn neger.https://www.eenkleinewereld.nl/en/products/battalion-warriors-of-chaos
>>97764614their fb page seems legit, it appears to be a brick and mortar store with a somewhat barebones online store
>>97762590Not sure if this is still true, but I saw scans of those bits on thingiverse some time ago. You should be able to get them printed for cheap.
>>97764481Tafelridder is the only one with 20% I think, others have 15% at best. Why? Dutch are the jews of Europe is why. Anything to save a cent.
>>97764709Marienburg characterization is on point.
>>97764709In Canada GW mandates that maximum discount third parties can sell at is 15%. But there's a store in my city that sells for 20% but doesn't advertise that online, only for in store sales. Good shit.
>>97764709When I was in belgium it was the same. I assume it's some sort of gw mandate cause some non-gw stuff did have discounts at those same stores.
>>97764130this seems slightly less dodgy? https://hammerofwar.it/prodotto/warriors-of-chaos-battalion/but seems to be €20 for shipping so probably better off with >>97764657
>>97764721erhmm all my lgs’ses’ sell full price and neither have prices listed on anything. is that even legal? theres no price tags its so kikey
>>97764855Some LGS are like that. There's one in my city that sells for full price, so I just don't buy from them lmao.
Reading through the rulebook and I absolutely hate how they handle skirmishers in TOW. They literally aren't "skirmishers" at all and don't behave like an actual skirmisher would. The rules essentially just have them play like an AoS and 40k unit. What's the point?
Don't browse here frequently, wondering did this general or any related 4channel threads about WHFB make any nice drawfaggotry/animation/meme OC recently?
>>97765039>They literally aren't "skirmishers" at all and don't behave like an actual skirmisher would.please elaborate
>>97764738There is no GW's mandate on prices. I remember Polish stores carrying up to 30% discount on GW shit on top of prices being scaled down for them as a second world country.>>97764709That's why I buy from German stores and pay 6-8EUR for shipping. It's still cheaper than buying in the Netherlands, Limburg or Frisia.
>>97765039Newfag here. How is it different from skirmishers in previous editions?
Buy your plastic kits NOW
>>97765056Too much to nitpick. I'll just say that the most egregious example being that skirmishers can "charge" into a closed formation, and somehow this snaps them into a convenient formation as well. Also the enemy can charge into skirmishes and the skirmishers don't have the ability to "react" and back off? Even cavalry struggles to catch skirmishers in real battle, a formation of troops could never
>>97765088So you're complaining about skirmishers acting like they did previously? So you don't play Warhammer Fantasy I am guessing?
7th edition rules and 6th edition armybooks or "pure" 6th edition?
>>97765088>l. Also the enemy can charge into skirmishes and the skirmishers don't have the ability to "react" and back off?yeah that makes zero sense. Point of skirmishers is being quicker and more flexible than troops in formation.
>>97765088>>97765101What the fuck are you guys talking about they can flee as a reaction like normal?
>>97765110so anon just made that up huh?
>>97765098former, but please don't rely on slop
>>97765129Yes, weird way of shitposting.
>>97765098I don't know man. Why not just play whatever you and your group is fine with.
>>97765086Man am I glad I got a 3d printer recently.
>>97765110>>97765129Yeah, I'm aware but they should be better as evading charges than a normal unit >>97765097Yes I thought it was clear I haven't played before when I posted that I'm reading the rulebook for the first time
>>97765147>OP writing about resin prices going up>I am sure glad I bought a resin printer???
>>97765155>Yeah, I'm aware but they should be better as evading charges than a normal unitMaybe if you haven't played even finished reading the rulebook of a game you never played you should keep your opinion of " how it should be " to yourself dumbass.
>>97765142I can play whatever I want and ask for other people's opinion at the same time. Funny how it works, eh?>>97765135I didn't even notice. Guess I became a boomer.
>>97765173It's simply an unfortunate reality of how tabletop games work, especially since it's not trying to be a simulation of historical warfare. Lots of skirmishers, however, have access to abilities like Fire & Flee and Feigned Flight. Really, if a close order unit is charging your skirmishers it might just be your fault for putting them in the wrong position.
>according to the leaks, AoS is the one getting Ind and NipponGod dammit. Can we at least get Araby then?
>>97765173Are you going to actually argue for or against my valid point, or are you just gonna keep whining like a bitch nigger?
>>97765212I'm going to call you a retard again actually.
>>97765207>AoS gets IndThere's an angel looking out for us
>>97765207What's with all the nuhammer fans begging for more minorities in Warhammer? You aren't getting Araby because people in the UK are getting fucking tired of Arabs
>>97765207Age of smegmar is dead. Its all merging into old fantasy.
>>97765207>>97765233>IndFuck indians are even stinking up our hobby settings too. You literally cannot escape those bioweapons
>>97765236>why do you want cool armies?The question of the century.
>>97765263Nah I think warhammer total war is going to get Tigermen specifically because they have no plans to bring Ind into any warhammer setting. GW suits aren't retarded, they are aware Jeets are very unpopular right now.
>>97765268>cool
>>97765291Yes.At the very least, with renegade crowns, if you have the figures you can make an Ind army as is.
>>97765255>Its all merging into old fantasy.That would be the single worst thing to happen. In these dire times we need the containment product.
>>97765347I was worried about this too but the leaks aren't as crazy as some are making them out to be. Yes it's one world and yes sigmar is dead. But all the current factions including stormcast are making the jump. The containment setting will remain, just altered.
>>97765297Imagine the smell
>>97765202I think there should be verisimilitude even to a fantasy wargame. From my limited experience, TOW accomplishes this in some aspects, but there are flaws like spears being too weak against charges, which is brought up in nearly every /wfg/ thread.
>>97765207the aos leaks say not!cathay, not!nippon and not!bretonniano mention of ind, it's not assured they're talking about actual model lines instead of just background shit
>>97765361I've shitposted about an Indian nurgle army for a long time, but there aren't that many plastic models available for that conversion project. We would also have to ask questions like how to represent war elephants on the tabletop? I would also need to read more about Indian warfare, as racism needs to be taken seriously.
>>97765236White men like exotic cultures more than the cultures like themselves. It's called Orientalism.
>>97765263Saar you will accept us,
Ind is about Tigermen, not irl jeets. Why are you guys so worried?Also Nippon will probably be a chaos faction with deamon focus.
>>97765442nothing about nippon suggests a chaos focus and gw is extra cautious of representing nonwhite nations as evil
>>97765442that's conquest, not warhammer
>>97765470In AoS the hedonists of Slaanesh has a very clear Arabic/Persian theme going on (I know those aren’t the same thing but they have elements of both)
>>97765442With Para Bellum release of Yoroni, GW has quite a competitor if it wasn't for the scale difference.
>>97765470Japs will be chaos to make GRAND CATHAY even more awesomer.Cant wait to read how Yin-Yin sunk all of dirty honourless n*pponese ships with her divine sea magic.
>>97765482kino
>>97765428I'm not fucking white.
>>97765482Oh right, Cathay is getting a goddamn AoS presence. What is going on at GW? Are they alright?
>>97765482they can make cathay even more awesome by turning nippon into vassalized mercenaries instead of their own army and faction, just like the ind tigermen
>>97765499They aren’t. Neither is Nippon. It’s a not-Cathay, not-Nippon type deal if you believe Boole
>>97765506tigermen in Cathay are explicitly refugees from the Chaos Tigermen still left in Ind, so analogy that doesn't work
>>97765481when it comes to their japan demons, the entire range is monstrous infantry instead of human-sized troops, so the scale difference is pointless if someone were to use them as proxies for nipponese monsters
>>97765558no, the tigermen left in ind aren't chaos, the entire race got retconned into not being chaos beastmen anymore and the god of the entire race, not just the ones who migrated into cathay, is anti-chaos
>>97765428that's not just white men it's all cultures, differences are more compelling. Japs idolize european culture, mexicans idolize japanese culture etc etc.
uhhh should you base a cannon? can you? what would happen
>>97765570no, they aren't, read the blog post again:>The Tiger Warriors were saved by their chieftain, Kamau, who defied Tzeentch and overcame the god’s schemes through sheer nobility and unwavering loyalty to his people. Following this, the highland tribes were led by the first White Tiger to fulfil the prophecy of leading them to salvation, across the Mountains of Heaven, into the western deserts and the lands of the Iron Dragon. Here, they shaped a life - and a legacy - on their own terms. This is group one, the Cathayan ones. It is one specific group (the high land tribes), not the entirety of the race.>This enmity is also held for the Beastmen herds that have long plagued the mountains and jungles they once called home.again, once. These Tiger Warriors are not the same as Tigermen from Ind, they are ontologically opposed to them.The god of the entire race is also only the god of the Tiger Warriors, no mention is made that he is still worshipped in Ind. For all we know, the Indan Tigermen are fallen to Chaos and worship Sher'ar Kawn
>>97765587Do it only if you think it'll look cool. Napoleonic gamers tend to use large bases per artillery piece, mostly to have a mini diorama effect.
>>97765428That's the thing, in the UK they are quite intimately familiar with pajeet and muslim cultures. It's not exotic at all to them, they can smell it every time they leave their homes or open a window
>>97765587You can and you should if you want to. Base it however you'd like, you're explicitly permitted and even encouraged to do so in the rulebook.
>>97765600nigger, learn to fucking read kamau, defies chaos and saves the whole race BEFORE a group of them chooses to move out of ind and into cathayand the beastmen herds of the ind are NOT the leftover ind tigermen, tigers don't move in herds and the tigermen are retconned into not being beastmen, the part of the same article you evidently failed to quote says they're considered old ones creations
>>97765587probably doesn't matter with that one but some are designed to have crew on bases height wise
>>97765627So much bargaining with imaginary people to argue why other actual people like something you don't.
>>97765653What is that ESL sentence lmfao, what are you even trying to say
>>97765600kamau is not the first white tiger
>>97765587>>97765619As long as you don’t base it like in this picture, meaning the crew on the base. It’s fine to do. Not mandatory but not discouraged. Just make sure the crew are on their own bases
>>97765748Not him, but why? Crew on the base looks way better
>>97765404>After the Tigermen TOW will have had at least three waves of Cathay and AoS will be getting an off brand Cathay range
>>97765788China numba 1 anon. China numba 1. I really hope gw just croaks over before I turn 30. I dont want to put much into that hope, id rather it be used for other things, but the chinese were the worst thing to happen to gw.
>>97765788All according to the celestial emperor'a plan
>>97765847Man I miss fatcast unironically
After two years of old world I’m just so blackpilled on it>unit profiles are intentionally shit, the winning tactic is to just magically stack combat res through banners>elite infantry borderline unusable>shooting and war machines do nothing unless you have a great cannon>magic nerfed into the ground so even your best wizard is a shitter>game written in lawyerspeak so it encourages janky play>anything that can fly has an immediate advantage over everything in the gameAnd to top it all off Cathay is still the best army in the game after two consecutive nerfs. It was a meme to say they do everything other armies can do better but it’s just true
>>97765875I play 40k as well and shit on it for the number of rerolls. But honestly the game fucking needs them your units aren’t guaranteed to perform at even a baseline level of efficiency
>>97765875>GW is shit nowadays at making playable wargames Wow, you don't say?! It's almost like that has been one of the loudest complaints about GW for the last 10-15 years
>>97765875Shooting is incredibly powerful, what are you even talking about? The rest of your points are somewhat valid, though it must be said that you're really describing Warhammer Fantasy in general and not just TOW. The game might not be for you!
>>97765875I don't even know where to begin, basically half your post gives you away nigger.
>>97765973I think it may be a new angle shitposters have taken. They realize we just ignore historical posts now so they have shifted to directly critiquing the game itself with nonsensical arguments.
>>97765973Not him but trying to make elite infantry does in fact fucking suck balls.
>>97765973Also nta, but can you refute a single thing he said?
>>97765994Unit profiles being shit is a nonsensical argument, there are good and bad profiles as always. Elite infantry is mostly bad but there are exceptions like Black Orcs.Shooting and War Machines are very very strong and make me think he hasn't actually ever played Fantasy.Magic is still very very powerful with some of the strongest lists in the game building around it (Wild Herd).Game written in lawyerspeak is another nonsensical argument.Flyers are indeed very good.It's pretty clear the guy who wrote that doesn't play Fantasy and is just trying to piece together arguments that might sound correct.
>>97765994>>97766006Shouldn't have responded, it might be him baiting for info to shitpost more accurately. Anyone who plays TOW knows that poster is making most of that up.
>>97766006>Someone would actually save this dogshit artI dont want to associate with you animals. Ill come back in 10 years where you have hopefully have stopped your transition.
>>97766035Uh oh melty!! Take a midol and refrain from posting on your period!
>>97766035Cope and seethe lmao the Moon Empress said.
>>97766035Don't let the door hit you on the way out nigger.
>>97765875>>97766006>he's right, except for this exception Nigga, are you retarded? Pointing out an exception proves that the statement is generally correct
Any chance new warriors and knights get a new profile with the updated minis?>inb4 full plate and +1 attack for free
>>97766006>Game written in lawyerspeak is another nonsensical argumentNta in this argument, but this tells me you've only ever played games made by GW. Most wargames are written very concisely, only GW has to explicitly over explain things because the Warhammer playerbase, especially 40k, is constantly autistically searching for loopholes, exploits, and ways to cheese via rules lawyering. This is very much a Warhammer problem, and you'd know exactly what anon is talking about if you had broader experience in the wargaming hobby outside Warhammer.
>>97766103The chances are very high. The warriors and knights will almost certainly launch alongside their own new Arcane Journal with updated rules for all the new WoC stuff
>>97766114Jesus if Chaos Warriors and chosen get the buff I think they'll get, it'll be fucking ridiculous.
So apparently Alexis Romanoff rules Kislev during TOW but surely there's no way GW will resist making a boss bitch ice witch poster girl. Thoughts on what GW will do?
>>97766129go back to /40kg/
>>97766146I don't want to, that place sucks.
>>97766150that's why you belong there and should stay there, it's a containment for people like you
>>97766103Do they really need a new profile?
>>97766124The full plate and 1+ attack? IMO they should already have those.>>97766129I think that Katarin was only the face because she was also the Tzarina. I think the Tzar will be the main character. But I suppose the head of the Ice Court could be the face for their first edition. Having the Patriarch of Kislev being the face would be unexpected and dope too.
>>97765847Hear me out
>>97766159Some would say yrs. They're currently at their 6th ed rendition. 1 attack, Heavy armour. 7th abd 8th boosted them hugely, 4+ save and extra attack. But I think they'll push them further, giving them the extra attack and likely an extra gimmick i.e shieldwall or something.Knights could go to Str5 as before with 2 attacks.
>>97766173They should boost them. If Chaos Warriors reach your lines they should be chopping through all but the most elite enemies with ease
>>97766103Giving chaos warriors full plate and +1 attacks without changing their points cost will make chosen warriors never worth taking. Making chaos warriors better is desirable in the extreme, but do you want a repeat of 8th edition? Also, full plate armour will make the parry save bonus less important.
>>97766165I think she's pretty integral to their identity even if for no other reason than TWW popularity. But yeah nothing stopping them from just making a kislev version of Elise, she kind of outshines the Bret lords as well.
>>97766184chosen are also getting a new kit and could also get a profile upgrade
>>97766186I would support them retconning the timeline. Make Katarin the Tzarina and have her be the face. I like her a lot.
>>97766183I was reading mega old forums back from 2006 and someone in fucking 6th described chosen infantry just skull fucking his entire infantry mid field so, guess that was a thing.>>97766184Chosen should, I shit you not, get a 2+ melee save as before. Go further and give chaos armour 5+. These guys individually have fought chaos trolls and ogres. If they reach, even ogres should quake. Also ensorcelled weapons should work on all non magic weapons.
>>97765875This is actually something I've been struggling with for years. I love Warhammer, both fantasy and 40k, the settings, the lore, it's a huge part of my childhood and I grew up on it, starting with 4e 40k and 6e WHFB. But as I got older during my teens and college I became more deeply interested in wargaming as a hobby, not just Warhammer. I started playing all the alternative games at the LGS, Bolt action, SAGA, Frostgrave, Antares, WoE, Battletech, Sharp Practice, etc. while still playing Warhammer. Anyways, I'll stop blog posting but I've come to realize that warhammer is an objectively unfun game and it's very poorly designed. The only thing keeping me around is I guess nostalgia and the ample opportunities for games. I get that TOW is nostalgia bait for old grogs, but why doesn't GW try and innovate in their other games? When they launched AoS they could have made a whole new game but they just copied 40k. They can completely rework 40k from the ground up every edition and made a new, fun, modern game system, and the 40k whales will buy it anyways. There is literally nothing stopping them except sheet laziness and lack of creativity or ingenuity or talent in the company
>>97766224Not him but same reason why vidya isn't innovating: it is financially safe. What is going to more likely be a banger?COD XXXVVVIIIIIIIorBrand New Game Format
>>97766129isn't his mother still the Tzarina? Still we don't know what factions dominate Kislev pre-Great War, the orthodoxy, ursun worship and ice court stuff all happens under Boris and Katarin as a reaction against post-great war imperialization of kislev culture.
>>97766248Isn't the Orthodoxy and Ursun worship one and the same, along with the rest of the Kislevite Pantheon? Isn't the tension in Kislevite society the Ice Court vs the Patriachy/Orthodoxy?
>>97766255Orthodoxy doesn't exist during the timeframe of TOW.It was only invented in like 2480IC at the earliest
>start reading riders of the dead>keeps going on about how these imperial nobles in a demilancer company are illiterateThe fuck is Abnett on about? That's preposterous.
>>97766303They're nobles from Ostland, too retarded to read
>>97766193>>97766217Giving them a better statline won't fix the problem. You'll be kicking the can down the road at best because people will just learn not to engage super-elite units and said super-elite units, even with very good saves, will still be bad against shooting, hordes of infantry, being charged by multiple units, monsters, and cannons. Fundamentally, elite infantry do not work because static CR and shooting cannot be made weak enough to allow elite infantry to be viable while also leaving the rest of the game in a playable state. This is to say nothing of TOW specifically, where objective play is often more important than actually killing models, and I shouldn't have to tell you why elite infantry aren't good for objective play. Will 2A and full plate make chaos warriors better? Sure, it'll give them a handful of extra attacks in each combat and also make taking anything that isn't hand weapon + shield not a horrible idea. But will it make them good? I don't think so.
>>97766303It's been a while since I've read the book, but I'm pretty sure the lancer that gets captured by the kurgan is from a lower-class family than the guy who gets rescued by the Kislevites, so it's possible he never learned to read, or it's Tzeentch fucking with his brain like him forgetting Talabacland/Talabheim Helredry at one point or him forgetting to speak Reikspeal>>97766309It's a Talabheim regiment, not an Ostland one.Both main characters talk about being from different parts of the city
>>97766224I started wargaming with 40k 7th edition and for the longest time Warhammer WAS wargaming to me, I couldn't even conceptualize playing another game and in my head they were all budget amateur versions of 40k. When I played Bolt Action for the first time I was blown away by how much better it was and how much fun I had compared to playing 40k (9th edition at that time). I got hooked on it despite having zero interest in the "lore" (history). I tried for years to get my brother, a die hard 40k player, to play a game with me but he simply refuses to try anything that isn't 40k
>>97766331>it's going to be bad because I say it's going to be badok?
>>97766331Damn, that's a lot of text that can be disproven by just mentioning that Black Orcs exist.
>>97766309Worse, may Sigmar forgive me for saying it, they're Talabheimers.
>>97766335No the lowest class one is the one who can actually read. All the nobles including the captain are illiterate.
>>97766389Black orcs exist in a completely different context, army-wise, than chaos warriors.
>>97766397Isn't the captain also lower class?It's a minor plot point in the book that most of the nobles in the regiment only join as a way to join a Knightly order later on.
>>97766404> even with very good saves, will still be bad against shooting, hordes of infantry, being charged by multiple units, monsters, and cannons. Fundamentally, elite infantry do not work because static CR and shooting cannot be made weak enough to allow elite infantry to be viable while also leaving the rest of the game in a playable stateYou contradict yourself here anon. Your story is falling apart. Is it the context of the army or the context of the wider game, you wrote 2 different things in 2 different posts.
>>97766349>>97766389Kek GW™ Defense Force working over time tonight
>>97763564That's Ral Partha, bong hands did not sculpt that
>>97766417unfortunately, games workshop is infallible to a large percentage of its fans (they do it for free)
>>97765297>Saarhammerit's also an albion and naggaroth army
>>97766415Both can be true at the same time. They are not exclusive statements. Black orcs are better than chaos warriors, but are they really good?
>>97766451>but are they really good?Yes, they are very good. And they are exclusive because you argued that elite infantry can't be good no matter the statline because of factors that make them bad that are not tied to statlines. Black orcs being good and even meta disprove your argument that it's factors outside the statlines/costs that make elite infantry bad. Chaos Warriors are bad because their statlines are ass for the cost. The same reason most Elf infantry of all tiers is at best mid and mostly bad.
painted a stupid gay little rat. it would be cool to do a skaven mordheim band, but i have too much stuff to paint anyway
>>97767535Cute. I wish I knew people who played Mordheim locally.
>>97766236This argument is invalid for Warhammer since people buy into it for two reasons - minis (and/or lore behind them) and popularity. You don't buy into Warhammer because it's a good game or because it's specific type of game. People buy into Warhammer because you will always find a store carrying GW products and you will always find at least one other player in your area. Even if GW totally re-designes the game rules, brand cultists will play it and whales will keep buying minis because they don't care about the actual game.
>>97766468Fair enough. Perhaps I am jaded and cynical and perhaps this has clouded my jusgment. Bring on the 2A 4+ warriors! Let's see if they're worth using when they're that strong. I've been using them for a long time, even when they've been awful, so it's not like I'd stop using them if they became better.
>>97767845I really hope the sake of the game and my future WoC army they buff them big time.
>>97766224One thing I'd like to add is that the way gw YouTubers talk about the game is more about "the meta" or which unit is competitive and so on. They also seem to be quite uninterested about history. Outside of the GW sphere you get more discussions about what the rules are meant to represent, merits of different activation systems etc.
Anons I was granted a most terrible vision>GW throws baby fit, makes AoS more like Fantasyand either>1: GW kills ToW, points to new-AoS and says "look all your favorite things are there now :DDDDD" or kills off legacy and points to nu-AoS with nu-Bretonnia and nu-Cathay>2: GW tries to make all new AoS and ToW kits mutually compatible, sloppers clap like seals because "muh value" and "muh unified sales means more for ToW", in the process enshitifies Fantasy's aesthetic, Sigmarite WoW armor style new Bretonnian knights for example. One day later down the line, they'll try to merge the two settings completely into Nu-Aos.Please tell me I am wrong and be right
>>97768142Fantasy isn't in any danger because it's a rank and flank. The AoS reboot will not be rank and flank. Worst case scenario GW will keep us alive to deny the rank and flank market to other companies/systems like KoW.
Starting to ask around local circles if anyone is keen on a 500pt game.The herd is about to be on the move
FUCKK See photo of herd
