Two - Nil edition>Previously, in the Mortal Realms>>97755163>Official AoS website:https://www.ageofsigmar.com>Downloads, Rules Errata, and FAQs:https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-downloads/>Toolshttps://runebrush.pa-sy.com/warscroll/>Anvil of Apotheosis hero creator:https://aosg.github.io/https://sigdex.io/>Thread question:Yeah I don't think a tq is very useful for now
>>97759297How you feel about End of Times 2: Electri Bogaloo anons?
>>97759297>mfw all these anons talking about Nippon instead of Kislev
>>97759322Kislev is to TOW centric for TLW
>>97759321>NipponHold on a moment, Ind is coming too and so is Araby. Pygmys are getting a faction. Next in 40k, every Tau Auxiliary is getting a faction. That's the part that makes me completely disregard everything else and burst into laughter.
Order of the furrow soon to be the next Bretonians! >>97759321Are we using endtimes purposefully here or are we just completely ignorant of storms of chaos?
>>97759332What about>Not Grand Cathay>Not Bretonnia
>>97759219Spewing bullshit onto my keyboard as it comes to me.Sigmar, seeing the imminent victory of Archaon, proceeds with the Mandate of Azyr prematurely and activates the realmgates, that were modified with the help of Kroak and his Seraphon. This overloading of the realmgates coalesces their respective landmasses into planetoid masses that begin accelerating at the Eightpoints. The collision of 8 realms utterly destroys the Eightpoints but due to the premature activation of the Mandate, the taint of Chaos still lingers within the land itself and the ruins of the Eightpoints and Varanspire form a continent of Chaos. Meanwhile, having sensed the Mandate’s activation, Dracothion, THE Star Dragon himself gives up his essence to become the shining light of hope and remembrance for this new world. Sigmar takes his dying gasp smiling at the new dawn with the Slayer of Kings buried in his chest.
>>97759321Tired. Was already feeling checked out, somehow GW found a way for me to be even more disappointed and checked out. End Time 2.0 is least disappointing part, though why bother when Fantasy is right there, when I am most disappointed with direction of Cities of Sigmar.End of 2nd edition and first half of 3rd edition was a fluke and I was a fool having any hope. Glad I have the books that I do.
Factions saying goodbye after reset:Fyreslayers, Kharadrons, Kruleboyz, Ironjawz, DoK, Idoneth and Sons
>>97759321Cautiously optimistic. People are dooming but the realms was a dumb concept that objectively turned the average potentially interested person away. This opens us up to having a cohesive narrative where most importantly stakes actually matter.
>>97759340China can be broken down into something else Bretonians are better off being evolved and frankly would be better if they were souped into empire early on in fbI’m pretty sure Kislev wasn’t possible the moment soulblight adopted the Slav asthetics
>>97759352Explains the whole lack of book and combined army rumors.
>>97759321I don't feel the pessimism of others, I think that once you've parsed through what's actually practically happening and what's just doomsaying, it's a more than reasonable development still, there was no real need of this stuff, all they had to do was retconning how the end times play out, presenting the realms better, and giving better cross compatible support for factions
Cities of Sigmar then split between Technofags and Zealotfags?
You think Boole and Whitefang wanted to hurt you? They did this to give you lots of time to prepare and process, out of love.
>>97759359>China can be broken down into something elseThat's going to piss off the asian sensitivity team.
>>97759297I'm just glad people are talking in /aosg/ again, 4th edition fucking blows
>>97759377Idgaf. Dragon primarchs are lame and single handedly destroyed any hope I had for tow. Wuxia needs to be wuxia not fucking discount imperium.
>>97759366I mean they been presenting realms better since 2nd half of 2nd, it was a good gradual build-up for those who cared about soul wars, broken realms, beast wars, etc. And it's not like cross-compatible support for faction will magically become better with new edition, reboot, whatever. It's all coin-toss with every one of these games.
>>97759321Is a complete stupid movement, from a company that already got a huge negative backlash for a similar movement on a similar setting and what's worse they are being exposed by obviously someone with internal information so instead of being able to prepared people for the hit this is just making a whole part of the fandom panic.In conclusion: A huge disaster, that will affect the game i guess for at least 2 years.
so this is where we keep pretending the reboot is a bad thing right?"oh no, not my precious cosmology! And the beautiful unsullied Stormcast are getting beat up! Oh no! I can't discuss the realmgates anymore!"
Now that the dust has settled, why did the Helsmiths of Hashut flop?
>>97759389>they been presenting realms better since 2nd half of 2ndthey did a better job than at the start, but it still wasn't enough
>>97759400100% and solely because of the color scheme.
>>97759321secondaries won /twg/ won
>>97759409Grim news.Grave, even.
with this whole end times rumour, I think there needs to be a serious talk about the popularity of AoS
>>97759409>>97759416Many people are saying it!
>>97759321>bretonniaI have more respect for Hervis Daubeny than I have that overly flanderized army.
>>97759430the fact that he genuinely left saying "WE LOST" will always be funny"IT'S FUCKING OVER""I'M GOING TO GET A ROPE RIGHT FUCKING NOW TGA"it's like a living Basedjak meme
>>97759428AoS is incredibly unpopular. It has nice models, which are popular, but the setting was never popular. Even many AoS players treated the setting as an afterthought. This is why the reboot is actually brilliant. Keep the models. Wipe the name wipe the shame.
>>97759321>A BattleworldYeah I'm not buying that modern day GW would call something this cool and uncopyrightable, so I'll bet that it won't happen, Last World MIGHT be something that they could call something, but overall this seems unlikely due to lack of financial incentive that the leaker himself can't explain
>>97759381It's not "people" though, it's towtards mostly. There seems to be more wfg gloating than aosg dooming. This aint tga
>>97759453thats the issue, it's constantly on top sellers lists, yet is somehow unpopular at the same time?it has no cultural relevance outside of tabletop, it's main advertisement is "from the creators of 40k..." and it feels like it exists to take up shelf space because an LGS must stock it if they want to stock 40k
Alright anon: it's your job to pick a new name for Age of Sigmar. The mission: you have to ruin it forever so nobody buys anything ever again.But you have to be subtle, the investors need to think you're being serious.What is your name idea, the worst new name you can think of?As soon as customers hear it, they need to think "I'm not buying that shit" and bail
>>97759467>and it feels like it exists to take up shelf space because an LGS must stock it if they want to stock 40kThat's literally what it is btw. GW will only give you so many 40k Battleforces IF you order enough AoS Battleforces. It's a tacked on product.
>>97759467Miniatures ARE sold, though, leaker himself says this, so they aren't taking up space
>>97759469The Last World
>>97759469The (new) old world
>>97759430>>97759450Boole is a self admitted whfb/40k grog, his whole raison d'etre was that he didn't give a shit about aos and therefore felt comfortable leaking things. What the fuck is he talking about "we" for lol.
I was there. When GW killed Sigmar
>>97759480Read his leak. He was buttblasted and confused as to why GW was doing this. He did storm off due to outrage. Very very very funny of him to leak it before Adepticon. Imagine being a fly on the wall at Nottingham right now. I would pay a lot of money just to sit silently and watch the chaos.
>>97759480>He leaks AoS shit because e doesn't like it>gets found out and fired>ragequits with a wild rumor to fuck over AoS fans for a perceived slightI can see it.
Weird quest, but was any of you there when the End Times where first announced? What was the word going around at that time?
>>97759491>>97759480Its not just Boole
>>97759480in his very last posts he started calling himself "we" as if he was a whole team of individuals - I think GW got him for real and he's trying to pretend the account was a group thing, he's begging for change in the snow right now
>>97759469Warhammer: The New Times
>>97759321I have no sides and I must kek
>>97759509The rumor was Nigmos.Tall, slender sexy greenskin women with superior intellect, ready to serve the Old Ones and the cause of order.Welcome to the world of REGALIA
>>97759510Oh, I know. But I'm just talking about Boole's situation. The other leakers seem to indicate he's misinterpreted things or blown them out of proportion, which could happen when his cortisol was spiking.
>>97759466there's no tribalism it's just flagless trolls
OK at first I was just baffled as to why GW would do this. But I think I got a handle on it.The Old World -> The Last World. Age of Sigmar becomes explicitly the sequel series to Fantasy in the same way that 40k follows 30k. It's set in the same world. Much easier to explain the difference to new people. TOW is the old days of heroism and hope, TLW is the last days of darkness after the world has been ravaged by Chaos.Now you're going to say, "no it's not, this is a new world! The Mortal Realms were turned into a new planet that is just shaped like The World That Was!"But the problem is, the Realms are weird and hard to explain. And once they're gone, there's no reason to ever do so. TOW fans thought The End Times would be retconned out of existence. It's not, it's getting a soft reboot. The End Times did happen, but the world didn't explode. It's the Mortal Realms that are getting erased.
>>97759321>AoS becomes the equivalent of D&D 4eDeserved
>>97759469Warhammer: The Age of Fantasy Battles
>>97759532Once the game is set on a single planet coincidentally shaped just like TWTW, explaining the whole Mortal Realms era becomes a narrative trap. There's no point in explaining what Realmg Gates were when they don't exist, it would just be a dumb diversion that would annoy new players. So very quickly all of it will be summed up as times of tribulations and chaos, when the world was shattered (literally? metaphorically? Who can say?) before Sigmar was able to restore a semblance of order and establish bastions of hope in the turbulent world.The Mortal Realms and the Realm Gates and 99% of the stuff that happened in AoS will rarely be mentioned again, and even then probably just cryptically by old Stormcast or Gotrek or whoever.What makes me so sure? The not-Bretonnia and not-Cathay. You guys who are saying that that means they'll get full new AoS armies are wrong. They will be in TLW because The Last World is the same world as The Old World. So why wouldn't they be there? They probably won't get unique armies, but Legends style army lists so you can play your TOW Brets in TLW? Why not? There were Bretonnian survivors of The End Times, of course.
Anyone got the Dawnbringers pdf? Looking mostly for the second part but also would quite like all of them if possible.
>>97759453>>97759467Here's a hint, it doesn't matter how popular something is among secondaries, because those don't buy models. There's like 10 times more total war secondaries than there are tow players, fat good it does gw. "Cultural relevance" outside of tabletop only matters to gw *if* they can convince those secondaries to pick up a starter set or whatever.And that's ultimately what's happening here, gw figures the multiple realms thing is too much of a filter for people that they figure it's worth the bet to just keep it simple, and this will convince those people who'd otherwise be interested in picking up a few models but written it off because of muh planes, not because they're shooting to make aos "culturally relevant among non tabletop players", because again, that's exactly the opposite demographic gw cares about.
>>97759400Too many hexagons.
>>97759340not Grand Cathay and not Bretonnia are just Cathay and Bretonnia centuries after The End Times
>>97759469Warhammer: The War of the Hammer
>4th ed: Sigmar lied>5th ed: Sigmar died
>>97759409Can't believe Total War single-handedly brought back WHF in the form of the old world, which cascaded into End Times 2.0 for AoS. Have secondaries of any other /tg/ franchise have this great an effect?
It would be pretty lame if AoS died before I was done with my Deathrattle Spearhead lmao
The Realms dead will mean a lot less creative freedom and a lot less special flavour in AoS setting, realms were not a problem but they feel the need to simplify the setting to pamper the casuals and retards.
>>97759532>TOW is the old days of heroism and hopeWas Warhammer Fantasy ever that, though?
Unironically sounds good, the realms always were and always will be retarded, if they fix all the stupid grand alliance shit that still carries over like DoK being part of the "good guys" etc it will be even better. If they got rid of all the groids and women it might actually be a good setting. they wont
>>97759575No, but that's irrelevant.
AoS dies soon.ToW rises forever.Pretty good day.
>>97759575yes
>>97759575pre 6th edition it was pretty hopeful, most Mordeheim and 6th edition it became grimmer and darker, sans WFRP, which is it own fanbase
>>97759591Why not just play ToW if you like ToW, and dislike AoS, then? Why comes to AoS?
>>97759579>grand alliances are droppedthank god FINALLY
>>97759575for zoomers and Americans? Sure.They think "morally grey" is a leftist buzzword from the 2010s
>>97759469Warhammer: Longsword
>>97759575Maybe in 5th edition and before? Post 6th absolutely not.
>>97759509You can take a look at the archives and see everything unfold in real time.Mostly lots of confusion though, like up until the launch week people didn't really know what the fuck was going on, you had lots of people thinking age of sigmar was going to be a prequel, you had loads of rumours floating around about "bubble worlds" but nothing concrete, rumours that gw was going to support different timelines (the end times one, the 5 minutes before midnight one, the post end times one...) When it actually dawned on people what age of sigmar actually was there was predictably a lot of melting down, but honestly it was more civil than you'd think. 2016 is were things really started devolving into the consolewar shitflinging you know and ""love"", because now you kind of had the community split into two camps, those who moved on to aos and those who didn't. Also the release of a certain videogame introduced /v/ to the wonders of warhammer and what joy that particular can of worms was for this board...
>>97759509I remember a "spanish rumours" meme going on warseer during the late End Times period. Basically AoS leaks from some spanish source that sounded so outrageously unbelievable that everyone were laughing. Altho I don't remember how much of it turned out to be true in the end.
>>97759568GW is going to simplify it to cater to themselves too, since the only realms they ever give a shit about with events is always aqshy and ghyran anyway
>be lizardfan>be completely unphased because you already survived one total setting death
>>97759609What a SOULLESS opinion, you wouldn't last a month in the SWIFTHAWK AGENTS
>>97759543>>97759532I don't think your last point is correct (no Cathay and Brettonia are not going to get rules for AoS), I think you're pretty much on the money.
>>97759568The Realms were a big problem. They were too big and too ill-defined. And for some reason they stopped talking about Realm Gates even though logically they should be insanely important all the time in the setting.Read any AoS novel, it's most likely in some weird random corner of a Realm and never goes to another Realm and the places and people in it are never mentioned again.The Perimeter Inimical is an insanely sick idea, but they made the Realms too fucking big so there's never any reason to go near one.This could have been solved. The fact that they've never set a specific size for the Realms means that they could have just made them much smaller, each one the size of a continent, so something that happened in one place felt like it could have ramifications elsewhere in the Realm. They could have worked to make the Realm Gates make logistical sense, establish which Cities have Gates to which other Realms, what size they are and how important they are, etc.It needed fixing, but it was very fixable.
>>97759614You're forgetting WFRP, which was always a grim and grubby game of illiterate rat-catchers getting beaten up by cultists even in the 80s.make me wonder what will happen to Soulbound in the Lore refresh
>>97759628Holy based.
>>97759621Iirc that was when all we had was the world was blowing up, the new game was called "Age of Sigmar" and that AoS would be moving over to round bases and "more skirmish style combat" or some shit like that. So everyone started assuming it was going to be a prequel game set when Sigmar was alive, Nagash having a new model was used as evidence for this as well.
>>97759532Yeah, not what's happening though. The continents and cities and shit of the mortal realms are staying, not those from the old world. It's still got hammerhal and anvilgard and the great parch, but now you can just walk to "ghur" instead of teleporting there.
>>97759628so many cool stuff died with the first purge... and we are going the third purge way...
>>97759627Guerrilla Miniatures Gaming has a schizo theory on the Seraphon that I really likehttps://youtu.be/ZPwz5E7Ajrw?t=872>Seraphon see that the Age of Sigmar is doomed, realize they need to save the world by going back in time>The last living Slann go back in time to the early days of the Old World>They ARE the Old Ones and they build the polar gate and they create the Lizardmen
>>97759637Well any god can make a soulbound, not just Sigmar, he is just the biggest proprietor of them
>>97759628by the way this army won a tournament
>>97759655>Age of Sigmar is doomedeverything is going according to the great plan, even the merging of the realms and the death of sigmar
>>97759658Tournaments back then were so comfy and chill.
kinda wish GW put sales per IP in their yearly reports
>>97759652I loved that moment of the game where there were no battletomes and people tried to work with microfactions.And guess what? Some of them were so successful they turned into a full faction.In fact I am convinced these odd armies built by lone madmen are what inspired GW to turn the mini factions into full armies, not the other way around
>>97759627Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh, Tzzentch, Lizard and Rattos are always safe bets.
>>97759655This theory has been around since the WHF days I'm pretty sure
>>97759637>soulboundI still find it incredibly weird that they themed the entire aos rpg thing around this one seemingly very niche, specific, and narratively pretty restrictive "mechanic" that also just basically never gets brought up in the lore of the game proper. Like huh?
>>97759669Orcs and Goblins used to be a safe bet too, before Games Workshop tried to turn them into "living weapons that fight Chaos", instead of "random evil (and therefore endearing) monster men"
>>97759358None of this shit matters in a table top game. WhFB did't have this, 40k still dosn't have this. Oh Cadia blew up... cool...
>>97759667We now know AoS sells worse than TOW and needs a reboot (be happy they didn't squat you)
>>97759668i will never forgive them killing bonesplitterz and phoenix temple
>>97759676Soulbound makes the PC super special OCs so it's kinda the opposite of other Warhammer RPGs like WFRP or Dark Heresy. That might be why they did that.
>>97759698Maybe this will bring Bonesplittaz back. Trust da plan?
>>97759695???????? You fucking wish groggy, WHFB was and keeps being the garbage of every single GW product in sales matters. AoS sells, but they want it to sell more and simply the setting is a step towards that.
>>97759698They threw away so many good ideas.I can't believe The Wraith Fleet was a legal army at some point.That Shar'Tor the Executioner was squatted/retconned out for no reason.Everyone was so excited for Deathrattle, and instead they (once again) became bitches serving under vampires.
>>97759693>WhFB did't have thisyou never talked to a bretonnian player who got autistic about his heraldry and how his army came from this specific part of etc etc and how this specific event from gotrek and felix related to it, have youa lot of players don't give a shit about the broader story of their funny plastic tiny man game but most give a shit about the setting and factions inherently, otherwise everybody would just use empty bases with the name of the unit/model written on it
All I wanted was a CoS-original unit that had a mix of dwarves, elves, and humans.
>>97759321It's not End Times. It's Gathering Storm. Stuff will change but actually everything will stay the same.
>>97759727Cities are for humans only, boi. If you want multiculturalism you better go try luck with Lumineth.
I know you guys may take this wrong. But I am a long time Fantasy grog. Personally if this is true I am somewhat interested.The thing that kept me away from AoS was the setting and lore. I honestly tried listening to loretubers and reading the wiki online. But for a variety of reasons I just couldn’t get the setting to click for me. I gave it a fair shake multiple times, but it was too inconsequential and undefined for me to really care. Stormcast had no stakes, the realms were effectively infinite (I know technically they weren’t) so nothing really mattered in terms of losing or defending cities/territory. Now with the leaks the setting will potentially shape up into something that will interest me. I can already see myself getting more into a defined limited world. I can see myself liking stormcast if they can die. Overall I am pretty interested in seeing how it pans out. Don’t take that as an insult. I feel bad for the people who are broken down by this. But I thought I’d throw my voice in as an outsider.
>>97759736>Cities are for humans only, boi.Two whole editions straight down a trashcan.
Age of Sigmar('s dead)
>>97759739welcome aboard anon!We live in interesting times!
>>97759746you didn't defend the Grand Alliance system, you deserve your segregation
I'm out. I like the idea of a planet instead of Realms and stronger ties to TOW, but it's too fucking late. They've got ten years of lore, some of it actually good, and they're throwing it away. If this was a wild hail mary to save a dead game, that would be different. But it's not, AoS is successful. This is about making it more digestible to a wider audience because they see 40k starting to breach into mainstream culture and want that for AoS as well.If it was the first time they'd done something like this, that would be different. But the squatting of Bonesplitterz, Beastmen, and the fucking starter faction of 2E was, what, two years ago? And for what, because they made the Orc models too racist and were afraid someone would find out and yell at them, their accountants can't accept models being usable in two game systems, and because they were too stupid to pivot when their fantasy Space Marines turned out to not be as popular as Space Marines so they had a fucking insanely bloated model range.I've argued about the lore with people. I have insisted that Gloomspite and Prince Maesa are great books. No point in that now, since they are set in a weird confusing setting that will no longer exist.It's clear that getting invested in AoS, financially or emotionally, is for suckers. GW will jerk you around in ways that are simply unpredictable. So I'm out. I can be nothing else.I'm gonna sell my AoS models and books, finish up my Thousand Sons army because 40k makes enough money GW won't fuck with it this bad, and use my spare time and money to go to the gym, get ripped, and bag me a femboy I can force fem into being my wife.
>>97759575yea
>>97759739I mean if lack of stakes and inconsequentiality of cities was an issue for you with AoS, then how are you a fan of Fantasy when it has same issues despite a more defined and limited world.
>>97759726You're talking about something different. I'm talking about if people care about the meta of the fictional setting. WHFB didn't have this... it didn't even make sense for half the factions in the game to be fighting each otherFor the most part people only care if the models are cool and the game is fun to play.
>>97759731Bitch, the Realms are gone. Every piece of lore that talks about Realms and realmgates will be outdated.
>>97759321Sounds better than AoS as it is.Won't matter though if they still force women in everywhere.
>>97759756I reasonably followed you up until the end.
>>97759739As an AoS player the only thing I honestly care about is playing the game, the fluff is secondary to me. If this is real and it brings in more people, especially those on the fence already like yourself, then I welcome it. I imagine this is the gamble GW is making with this decision, if it is real. I know the leaks say that the miniature line would stay the same as well and I was never concerned about that for myself to begin with because I am a Skaven and Seraphon player. The two armies that are never going anywhere. So if this is real and works for people like you then yeah, great. Works for me too.
>>97759756why appealing to a broader audience is something bad here? is the first community i see with this kind of behaviour, attract new players, broader the customer base, increase the appeal of the setting, why everyone is so hostile against all this? is really weird to me.
I mean, for fuck's sake, 4th was already chilling interest in the game. Do you really think the playerbase survives this? This is not a last ditch effort to make AoS successful, it was already successful. This is a last ditch effort to get AoS attention outside the tabeltop space, like 40k has and even Fantasy managed with TW.It won't work. They're burning the fanbase in the hope it'll create secondaries, and they'll end up with neither.
>>97759767>hey guys im interested in your game now>WELL FUCK YOU HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY LIKE ANYTHING ELSEschizo
>>97759779> is the first community i see with this kind of behaviourFirst day on 4chan?Inviting general audience and outsiders en-masse is bad for any and all fandoms.
>>97759739as an AoS player my least favorite part of the game is the mortal realms and how they operated, mostly for the same reasons you describedthey're esoteric by design and are meant to compliment the game (especially normal AoS and spearhead) by having specific rules and features depending on the realm, but trying to explain how the mortal realms work cohesively to a new player when something like WFB/ToW and 40k is much more digestible makes it no conteststormcast do have stakes and i'd argue some of the books that go into the concept of a stormcast losing their identity and thought until they explode after enough resurrections is a pretty fascinating idea, if anything it works well as a "good guy" counter to daemons being able to respawn indefinitely, albeit flawed because sigmar is a guy who's really really good at hitting things with hammers and not much elseif the leaks are true then it would suck if archaon killed sigmar yet again because GW's erection for chaos truly knows no bounds. also great paintjob and basing on your bretonnian
>>97759788But he's not interested in AoS. And not what I asked.
>>97759779You appeal to a broader group by creating entry points. Space Marine 2, Total Warhammer, Dawn of War, long running novel series like Gotrek & Felix and Gaunt's Ghosts. You create compelling ways for people to get invested in the setting without having to spend hundreds of dollars on minis.This is not trying to get more people into AoS, it's turning AoS into something they think more people will like.
>>97759724>That Shar'Tor the ExecutionerI'm very surprised they didn't at least give him a shoutout in the tome somewhere.
>>97759803he LITERALLY just said he was you stupid faggot
>>97759777I have other hobbies I want to pursue beyond AoS, and giving up AoS will make them easier to prioritize. What's not to get?
>>97759756>>97759746I don't understand this reasoning.>it's in the past, so it's in the trashcanit's like saying "I can't play Bolt Action because World War II is over - Hitler is dead so I'm throwing my German army in the trash"I mean this was always fantasy historical wargaming. We're recreating battles from another world and another time.Even in Warhammer Fantasy we had rules for Boris Ursus, Grom the Paunch, Repanse and other dead characters, there were rules for the War of the Beard as well.When the End Times happened, I kept reading Warhammer books and playing Total War. None of it was ruined or taken away and I didn't throw anything in the garbage.The age of the Mortal Realms is not ERASED just because it's over. It's in fact an important stepping stone for what comes next, which will again be a stepping stone for what is next still,and so on.Would you prefer a 40k situation where VASHTORR GETS THE KEY, and CADIA FALLS, and EVERYTHING CHANGED but then nothing happens?I'm actually glad things happen in my favorite setting
>>97759806He was invented by the Old World Studio (aka Forgeworld) so they need to humiliate and forget him to prevent sales from that branch of GW
>>97759811He said he tried to get into it and that it wasn't for him, which is fine. I have no issue with that. And again question unanswered.
>>97759814>The age of the Mortal Realms is not ERASED just because it's over. It's in fact an important stepping stone for what comes nextNo, it's not important at all. If anything, it's a distraction. The Old World -> The End Times -> The Last World. Makes sense. There was a fantasy world, Chaos wrecked it all up, now it's a weird fucked up place full of wild magic. Trying to slot the story of the Mortal Realms in there just adds a confusing culdesac.
>>97759833well too bad, because it will be there forever, to be enjoyed and remembered by me
>NipponMy interest has somehow reached the negatives. I would sooner spend money on a terrorist attack on GW than buy those. I was already extremely disinterested in ToW for being a secondary-influenced shitfest having fucking unpopular meme factions over actual WHFB popular factions like Dark Elves. Slightly interested in AoS for the minis. But these leaks make me less interested than AI slop.
>>97759321As for what happened to Sigmar? Archaon killed him like you'd crush a child.Absolutely based.
>>97759779Nice bait. Literally every franchise that tried to appeal to a broader audience did it by ruining completely what the appeal of the franchise was for old fans. Some actually managed to find a new audience that drove out the old fans, some just crashed and burned, but all got ruined from the point of view of the older fanbase. I dare you to name an exception.
>>97759814We had a story and lore build-up over several editions. Then 4th came and started fucking it up, and now 5th comes and completely throws away the entire build-up. Sure the past is still there and I have my books, but everything that has been worked on over YEARS lead to not only nowhere BUT ALSO retconned everything that came after. Do understand the issue here?It's like in 40k the eldar building up Ynnari, but then throwing them all away in a stupid little short story and everything being reset and leaving a bad taste in your mouth afterwards.>>97759833The whole point is to memory-whole it and make it easier to understand for people who are not invested in the setting. There's one world back then, there's one world now. The faction from the past look similar to factions of the future. The in-between? Who cares, GW doesn't and new players won't.
>>97759843"Not-Nippon" and "Not-Bretonnia" and "Not-Cathay" are not actually part of the rumor, they're just Boole's whiny version of saying "different tribes of humans" because he's pushing a self-constructed agenda that The Last World is a "pale imitation and ripoff" of the Old World.
>>97759841The thing is, I always thought AoS had a ton of potential. And I'd see it realized from time to time. In books like Gloomspite and Prince Maesa, in the lore(if not necessarily the models) of the Darkoath and the Cities of Sigmar, even in something like the fun of the Sons of Behemat Battletome.But it never all came together, and I was waiting for it to happen. For some critical mass of good lore to be built, or some really clever narrative devleopment that made things start working like they hadn't before. I really felt like AoS for the past 5 years or so was always on the cusp of getting it together and clicking.But fuck me I guess.So yeah, I'm out. If I want to paint little guys I'll do 40k, and I'll focus my spare time on working out and finding a femboy bf to do My Fair Lady stuff to.
>>97759767I never really understood the "stakes" and "realism" criticisms either. You'll get people going uh but where do they farm in shyish?, as if chaos didn't spawn a billion guys from the north pole every 20 years in aos, not to mention sillier stuff like skaven or orcs. Whether or not this or that faction controls this or that piece of land doesn't really matter as everyone just spawns whatever armies they need to write whatever the authors desire at that point, even the dying, barely-holding-on races. It's a setting, not a story.Now, what *is* drastically different and what you absolutely *can* praise whfb for at the cost of aos is a "sense of place", a sense of geography, things feel like they're in "the right place" (again it doesn't actually matter but it *feels* like it does). I think a lot of people conflate these two ideas.
>>97759853>The whole point is to memory-whole it and make it easier to understand for people who are not invested in the setting. There's one world back then, there's one world now. The faction from the past look similar to factions of the future. The in-between? Who cares, GW doesn't and new players won't.100%
>>97759853I mean, it's GW, you're supposed to enjoy the buildup, when have they EVER delivered on a payoff?...Especially on a game with 9 dimensional planar worlds and 24 factions.It was a George RR Martin situation, too big and too messy to talk about everything without leaving a million holes.
It's time to accept that end of 2nd edition with the first few Broken Realms was the apex of AoS and everything after was a decline.
>stakesThere are as many planets in the Imperium to destroy, as manu Elves to die, as the story demands. There never were stakes because every new introduced Chaos Lord has some previously never mentioned exploits destroying something nobody ever heard of.
Hey anons I'm coming back after actually painting and being out a week, why the fuck are people saying AoS is gonna be rebooted. Are my local paint club autists being more autistic than usual or is there some stupid rumor mill shit happening again.
>>97759873Soul Wars and Broken Realms delivered on what they built up, the 3rd edition's main story-line getting fucked with towards it's conclusion and everything that came after has been a disaster.
>>97759843I dont really care the retcon of Realms, not even the dead of Sigmar (though very shitty i would rather someone killing Archaon already) but these leaks about three HUMANOID factions coming and the three being Not!Human world places is by far the worst thing to me.We don't need that fucking shit. Make Zombies for Death, make a proper Orruk faction for Destruction, make Silent People, Root Kings, those flying goblinos there were pieces of lore in some books, but three fucking humanoid factions one of them being Not!Kislev? Not!Nipp? What a huge garbage, the one in charge of this deserves to be fired.
>>97759874there were different ages and different apexes of AoS.One was 2nd edition.The other one was The Realmgate Wars book 3: Godbeasts
>>97759833>>97759870But it's not like "the last world" is just a fucked up version of the old world, it's a fucked up version of the mortal realms. Like by your logic if they explain this whole "okay first there was the old world but it got overrun by chaos and now it looks like this" to little timmy surely at some point he's going to notice that hey, the everspring swathe doesn't look at all like anything from the old world, in fact nothing does, what's up with that?This whole tow->end times->tlw narrative your creating doesn't make any sense.
>>97759884>the dead of Sigmar (though very shitty i would rather someone killing Archaon already)Why? Sigmar has been nothing but a disaster of a character. Archaon is barely a character.
>we will never have any deep development over ulgu, chamon or hyshthis makes me sad.
I just want to get the stream over with already so the thread can dig into that instead. Yeah Boole's doomposting sucks but the only thing people can do with that right now is to vent how they feel about it, and in that sense there's not a very broad spectrum of reactions being vented ITT.
>>97759880A reliable leaker (Boole) wrote a huge paragraph and then ran away.Another reliable leaker (Whitefang) seems to agree.Rob the Honest Wargamer said he has heard similar things from a third independent source (a guy in Nottingham he knows IRL).>yes but what is that huge paragraph?first post in the thread.
>>97759892>surely at some point he's going to notice that hey, the everspring swathe doesn't look at all like anything from the old worldChaos fucked up the old world, that's why it looks like this now.
>>97759893Archaon will kill two settings already is like he is the Deus Ex Machina of Fantasy for when GW needs a reboot. At this point i think this faggot dissapearing would be better.If you need a main charismatic villain... Nagash is there.
>>97759880>>97759321We're getting our own storm of chaos, except now gw will have the balls to follow through. Or our own gathering storm, maybe that's more apt.
>>97759898I keep seeing people who think the change will be good and doomers that think it's terrible.The second group mostly ignores the first group and calls them trolls and tourists because they're not upset and things are "obviously" very bad.I am not sure the second group is larger than the first.
>>97759893NTA but stories we've had are comparably human compared to the Emperor. He doesn't want to be some god king, he thinks even if Chaos is all there is then he'd keep fighting, he's got better characterization than most primarchs, admittedly that's a low standard.
>>97759898>there's not a very broad spectrum of reactions being vented ITTwell yeah most of the posters here right now don't even play aos and parrot whatever they got told on discord
whoever thinks this change is for "good" is more naive than beastmen trusting sigmar. the game will get a huge blow with this reboot and i doubt it will recover from it.
>>97759910I feel like I see more trolling from our friends across the aisle than doomposts
>>97759925>more naive than beastmen trusting sigmarGood one.
>>97759892>But it's not like "the last world" is just a fucked up version of the old world, it's a fucked up version of the mortal realms. Like by your logic if they explain this whole "okay first there was the old world but it got overrun by chaos and now it looks like this" to little timmy surely at some point he's going to notice that hey, the everspring swathe doesn't look at all like anything from the old world, in fact nothing does, what's up with that?Anon, you don't understand. "Chaos fucked the world and everything got weird" is a true statement if the world blew up and the Mortal Realms existed, but it's also true if the world didn't blow up and instead just got all weird.The Mortal Realms aren't going to work as an explanation for the Everspring Swathe existing in Lustria, because the Mortal Realms are really weird and complicated. You can't have an explanation that requires like a fucking five minute long explanation of a cosmos that no longer exists. So as time goes on assuming The Last World is able to continue past it's first edition, all the Mortal Realms shit is going to get downplayed and handwaved away. We definitely aren't going to be hearing about the fucking Age of Myth, I would bet money that doesn't get mentioned again after TLW drops.
>>97759925despite your drug-induced hallucinations, the change will be very good in the medium to long run, and you will realize there's nothing to fear even in the short run.The leaker was unironically a grognard doomer who hates the game, you didn't properly filter his opinion from what he has seen.
>>97759905>Archaon will kill two settings already is like he is the Deus Ex Machina of Fantasy for when GW needs a reboot.You wouldn't get rid of a brush because it sweeps good.>>97759917>NTA but stories we've had are comparably human compared to the Emperor. He doesn't want to be some god king, he thinks even if Chaos is all there is then he'd keep fightingNone of that indicates that he's a good character. >OH HE'S A GOOD GUY IN A TOUGH SPOT, JUST LIKE ME FR FR.Wow
>>97759943I doubt many will shed a tear for an in-depth exploration of The Age of Myth in the Mortal Realms.
>>97759952And that's a shame, but about what I expect of casual fans who never read.
>>97759945All existing lore being put in the back of the pantry to be slowly intentionally or unintentionally retconned or eve just ignored out of existence because there's no reason to bring it up and new writers won't give a shit about it is bad to me, a person who liked a good amount of AoS lore.
>>97759955Truly the death of warhammer in general
any sloptubers cover this yet?
>>97759964https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifEMel3LIUc
>>97759321Even the skaven are quitting this shit setting
>>97759945Was End Times good for WHFB in the medium to long run?
>>97759964Mordian did, also mentioning how he believes in the leak because the he heard very similar thing from a bret-player friend of his. Did abit of gravedancing too, but not too much.
>>97759431Insult my knights again and I'll rape you, peasant pissant redditor.
>>97759976If you are a fan of Old World and seeing old models being re-released, sure.
>>97759964yes, Valrak read the rumors out loud and added nothing.Mordian Glory is covering it now and most likely he has nothing of value to say.The Honest Wargamer read the rumors and said he knows leakers irl that confirmed these stories.He also added a few pessimistic details I didn't expect, he thought the Stormcast Eternals may be squatted altogether as a faction in their entirety, that seems absurd to me. This was just his assumption though, but it surprised me because he's usually not a doomer.
>>97759983They’re dogshit m8. And a poor substitution of a personality
>>97759972>>97759980oh boy. thanks>>97759990>fatrak read the rumors out loud and added nothing. lmao
>>97759321Sigmar Sisters... how could this happen???
>>97759724>That Shar'Tor the Executioner was squatted/retconned out for no reason.You were given a whole helsmiths of hashut army to replace the legion of azgorh.
>>97759990>He also added a few pessimistic details I didn't expect, he thought the Stormcast Eternals may be squatted altogether as a faction in their entirety, that seems absurd to me.The idea of a complete squatting does sound ridiculous, but then I am reminded that they already wiped half the range once. I still don't believe it, but a part of me wonders...The investors aren't retarded enough to blame the Stormcasts for AoS' supposed "failure" at breaking into the mainstream, right? Just because they've been made the protagonists of all the games doesn't mean they are poison, it just means that they've been forced to rep every shitty game so far without rest.
>>97759990>Stormcast Eternals may be squatted altogetherIt would be a fitting punishment fro their continued failure. A true repudiation of AoS.
>>97759724What's deathmages? Another dead army?>Wraith FleetThis would have been an actual cool army anddn instead they went with werewolves, boner golems and the third one.Imagine spectral flying ships with rotted holds crewed by ghosts and zombies with pirate hats, raiding for booty and plunder, fighting Kharadrons in the skies and Idoneth in the seas and screaming mad vampires.But that Would Be Charismatic and AoS is determined to suck out all the charisma and replacei t with things that appeal to redditors.
>>97760003Yeah, and why were Drazhoath and Shar'Tor not in it exactly?Why must we have this weird fragmented lore where on tuesday they're ashamed of what they wrote monday?There was a perfect opportunity to bring Azgorh to full circle and embrace them and explain the old lore and build on it, instead of binning and starting over.>but it would have been messy and hardnot really, it all fits perfectly with almost no effort
>>97760011Be weird given stormcast, partially due to being face of AoS, do sell the most. But at same time it is a very GW move.
>>97759994>of a>not for aYou're not even an english speaker. Every bad opinion on this website nowadays is posted by random vladimirs, pacos and ranjeets who probably don't even own models.
>>97759756Take your lust provoking images and don't let the door hit you on the way out coomer.
>>97760011DEI money is over, so Stormcast have run out of steam.
>>97760020>Yeah, and why were Drazhoath and Shar'Tor not in it exactly?They were created for the legion by forge world and thus are not part of the Old World lore, which reflects (largely) a compromise between 1994 and 2011 Chaos Dwarfs, and they do not fit into the Helsmiths of Hashut. Thus, the Legion of Azgorh character datasheets were squatted out of existence.
>>97759943>The Mortal Realms aren't going to work as an explanation for the Everspring Swathe existing in Lustria, because the Mortal Realms are really weird and complicated. You can't have an explanation that requires like a fucking five minute long explanation of a cosmos that no longer exists."Yeah these used to be all different planets but then the skaven blew up azyr and archaon killed sigmar and they all got smushed together. Anyway, how many saves did your troggoths make?"
it'll be fineeverything will work out
Why would they can their 2nd biggest money maker setting? For the TOW fanbase? How much money does that even bring?
>>97760019Deathmages was a mini-faction that only had Necromancers and the Mortis Engine. It was meant to be used as an allied rather than being a full force.(Although back in the day I wanted them to make Deathmages into a full army adding hordes of scarecrows animated by dark magic).They were likely added to the Wraith Fleet so you could convert big flying ships carried by ghosts and play them as Mortis Engines.
>>97760041Easier to advertise.See this old world? Well not it's last world. Like 30k to 40k.Same looking land-masse with defined setting in roughly same locations between them with factions that look like evolved versions of Old World factions. You already bought the models, so you're not the customer. But people who see total war and want to buy the boxes out of hype, they are potential sales.
>>97759925The game has already taken 2 huge blows from 3rd edition launch with the kruleboyz and awful core rules to doubling down in 4th with a set of core rules and direction that alot of people that got onboard from the hype of 2nd edition did not want or like. All conjecture of course but while it felt like the game was growing from 1st to 2nd and nighthaunt well recieved that hype completly died with 3rd edition. The game has excellent models but to me it seems like the majority of people are either indifferent to the lore or actively dislike it. I am one of those people and so this actually looks like a good thing to me, but nugw track record for lore and world building is what built this in the first place so im not holding out much hope and if it does come with squatting which who knows will probably kill it for many people.
>>97759990>This was just his assumption thoughAs always slob the dishonest wargamer is retardo.No they're not squatting the largest range with the most players -mostly newer ones at that- who are exactly the type of guys they want to lure in deeper with this "simplified not simple" setting change (it won't work)>but sacrosanct Were squatted because they needed to make space in the range for more thunderstrike stormcasy now that they finally settled on a design after like 4 tries. All but the ballista were easily proxied anyway, not that it didn't suck for anyone who bought into them
>>97760080The problem is, even if the new lore is good (it won't be), how can you get invested when you know that they can retain everything next edition again?
>>97759321>Emdashes out the ass>Leading questions>Repetition for no reasonWhy do people believe this chatGPT bullshit
>>97760099Because every verified leaker has spoken in favor of the leak.
>>97759861Dude we tried to tell you it was kinda dumb for 10 years. Don't act like you're being blindsided.
>>97760060>Same looking land-masse with defined setting in roughly same locationsHuh? None of the realm maps look anything like the old world.
All this could have been prevented if AoS got (1) good video game
>>97760105Then why post like a jeet on X and actually like a human being?
>>97760115Lol true
>>97759925I already saw people asking who is the next girl boss that replaces sigmar.This is fucking grim, no one trusts GW to write anything decent anymore.
>>97760107And that's the problem for sales department, that's why we are getting a reboot where last world and old world will look roughly the same.
>>97760138Sadly it’s a warranted question
>>97760140...no buddy, I mean none of the current landmasses look like any of the whfb ones, and they're the ones that will be present on the map of the last world. Maybe hysh and ulthuan ?
>>97760152Could've posted the brown lady in charge of cities of sigmar, as she's more relevant to this discussion.
>>97760158Right, that's why it's getting "fixed."
>>97759907>>97759900This sounds fucking dreadful, so instead of putting any effort into fleshing out the realms they're just gonna slap them down and call it a single planet and kill off the gods except archaon. That's dumb. I actually liked how the whole shtick with AOS was the good guys were actually on an even playing field.
How would models work between ToW and TLW? The bases are different, so they can't be interchangeable. Would factions from ToW go to TLW as a reverse beastmen?
>>97760167But they're not. Rumours explicitely say the landmasses we have maps from are staying untouched.
isnt appeal to a broader audience by making your setting less deep, less complex and the literal future of an old beloved franchise a good strategy? if not why?
>>97760159She’s not the face of Aos though. You look at Aos and the first thing you see promotional wise for Aos with a face is a female stormcast. I’d post the pic of it but mobile is acting fucky wucky.
If they ever do a 40k end times they should have Archaon do that one too.Because it'd be funny
>>97760030What's really annoying is that I was very excited for the rumored new Gargant model. But this just leaves such an awful taste in my mouth. I can't invest any more in this setting
>>97760115The problem is with all the time licensing and then game dev takes by the time the game's released all the lore in it's out of date anyway because the Mortal Realms have changed in some huge way. See the Soulbound RPG, which is the thing that's supposed to be fleshing the whole thing out, half the books have out of date lore by the time they even come out.
>>97760039"Wait, why were they different planets? Isn't this the same planet as The Old World?"
>>97760236"Forget about that, it's not important. It's the same planet effectively."
>>97760183I should add that the first wall of text isn't the only leak we got, and another leaker says it's an exaggeration and most characters will not die.
>>97760184I simply think the models would be interchangeable, not the bases - just like it used to be for daemons.The models were the same, the box was the same, but you still had to rebase them on round/square if you wanted to change game system.
>>97759975You've spammed this shitty ai image in like every warhammer related general on this entire site, you've got some advanced strain of autism yet to be studied by modern science.>>97760236"No, that one blew up. Man, those 4+'s are nasty"
>>97760236no, it's built from magical pieces of the old world after three consecutive apocalyptic events(yes three, people forget that the Age of Chaos existed in the Mortal Realms)
>>97759976Unironically yes because if AoS didn't happen then a lot of AoS factions/lore would be pushed into Fantasy. SCE would be in Fantasy right now. Fantasy dying when it did allowed it to come back as TOW preserved as what it was. With AoS being the canvas for new ideas instead of Fantasy.
>>97760225They did, it was called Gathering Storm. The map changed quite a bit, lore seriously evolved for the first time ever, yet nothing actually changed. It'll be the same here.
>>97760238"wait then why bring up the different planets thing at all?"
>>97760264Are you saying AoS faction are le bad anon? Lmao
>>97759976100% yes.GW was already abusing that stepchild in 7th and 8th edition.It's very good that it went to live on its own for a few years until dad stopped drinking and came begging to have him back.
>>97760264>Fantasy dying when it did allowed it to come back as TOW preserved as what it wasI don't remember this part...Oh by the way did you know cathayans taught the dwarfs gunpowder and introduced ancient nehekhara to horseriding?
>>97760271"why split Germany in half if it was just going to unite again anyway?"
>>97760285this isn't even "cherrypicking" because it's picking one single cherry over and over
>>97760285All that grey chaynisium plastic vs soulful colored models is harrowing.
>>97760293anon, the Cold War wasn't fiction. It happened IRL. You can't criticize it for being badly plotted.
>>97760285>literally the same image you've been spamming for days
Is GW responsible for AoS dead or is players fault?
>>97760277I am not making a value judgement I am just saying it was good for those people who liked Fantasy, because it allowed Fantasy to be brought back in the same state as it was. If it didn't die it would be borderline unrecognizable from 8th, which TOW isn't.
>>97760320>You can't criticize it for being badly plotted.But why the hell noooot?
>>97760326100% GW. The players showed up, we bought models, we supported the game. But GW wants that secondary cultural impact to make the IP more valuable
>>97760320Wait I was joking, do you actually think real life is badly plotted?
>>97760324>tg is one personIt is a really funny image to be fair
>>97760326AoS will only get bigger in 5th edition though
>>97760326GW, this move can be bad or good future will tell one thing is certain: Was not necessary.
>>97759556This. The "Not" is because they're not technically the same armies after enduring 11 magical apocalypses, but there's no shot they'll have unique model ranges when they can just borrow them from TOW.
>>97760337...anon, what on earth are you talking about? I was saying they'll soft retcon out the Mortal Realms because they are a narrative culdesac that adds nothing to the story. You were the one who brought up the division of Germany.
I dislike the realms being merged because putting everyone together runs the risk of all the chaos monotony in 40k and whfb. >Brass Belladonna, Kharneth the Axe Father, the Blood Kraken, the clockwork canine known as the Red Hound that drips blood and tears time, Kalkor the Red Scorpion, Kursk the Raging Hound, the Blood Crow, Arkhar the First Betrayer, the Godeater, the red daemon Oxhead worshiped by beastmen, the pig-faced King Cleaver venerated by butchers, the Red Ruin, the sharklike Khar-Khaarnadon that rises from depths when fresh gore is spilled in the ocean, and the Ice Reaver whose worshipers carry harpoons made of frozen blood.I don't even play this game and I am glad to see FINALLY tons of different cultures with their different interpretations. The most we got is stuff like>Khorne =- Wolf says NorscaThe Chaos Gods throughout all of GW are extremely homogenous in portrayal even though in-universe a galaxy full of cultures and subcultures exist and theoretically we should have many. A Khorne faction based around blood-drinking spiders because his sacred number is 8 and 8 limbs would be a bigger breath of fresh air yet thematically fitting than anything I've seen in Chaos since forever.
>>97760355this is THE big question:if they do The Last World are they merging the ranges?Until today, they always opposed this idea completely.Tomorrow, if the leaks are real, it no longer makes any sense to keep them separated.The two settings are not distinct enough for two model ranges.
>>97760382We did have two years of rumors over Fyreslayers and regular dwarves merging, we had white dwarf taking up said banner in conclusion of his story, and there were rumor of no future fyreslayer book despite zero plans for squatting them. It basically aligns with the idea that yes, factions will merge and we're going to essentially have not-Old World mirror factions by the end of it.
>>97760372I think you're implying real life has "narrative culdesacs" if something like "the planet splits apart and then reunites" seems jarring and insane to you.It's a perfectly normal narrative and it mirrors what happens normally in the real world.
24 hours ago everything was fine. We were eagerly await the Cogfort and new CoS models and AoS had a long bright future ahead of it. Now we don't even know if Age of Sigmar will be called Age of Sigmar in a little over a year.
>>97760355>when they can just borrow them from TOW.I hope not. The models look like dogshit there. I also want wuxia not primarch China capital.
>>97760400the question remains: will we get a dual box with square + round bases full of red haired naked dwarfs?Or will we get two different boxes for the two game systems?In High fantasy 4th edition Age of Sigmar, the answer is obvious, two different games, two different settings, two different boxes....but in the future, where low-fantasy red haired dwarfs are part of a larger dwarf army, do we still get two boxes? It makes way less sense.
>>97760375Word. Reading the recent chao aj has just been a snooze fest of rehashed shit.
>>97760411and frankly if you're not brimming with excitement like me, I pity you
>>97760411I want Cogfort and CoS giants, but man I really miss having elves and dwarves be part of the army. All they had to do was add obvious elf heads to the basic grunt forces and a few random dwarfs to random units, like the balistas. Makes me feel like a fucking sucker for caring about CoS when they came out.
>>97760417>will we get a dual box with square + round basesNo. Never. If they do expect it to be an warhammer only thing where you maybe get an option for one or the other but never third party.
>>97760285Nu WHFB lore being bad won't make AoS good, sorry
>>97760349GW is already pricing out a lot of people, a huge change that invalidates existing players armies will push them away just like the axe to TOW did way back then. Only the stupid fatty whales will continue to invest in worthless plastic toys.
>>97760403No, anon, fictional narratives and real life history are held to different standards. Because one is fake stories made up by people and the other is real life.
>>97760417TOW is rumored to be getting a TK vs WE starter type box after the summer so I doubt it will be split.
>>97760429but if they're merging the model ranges, everything suddenly makes sense.We get new Umbraneth models, and Dark Elves become playable in Old World, and Games Workshop has to spend way less to rotate all its games, and basically everyone wins.They are also firing ("making redundant") people because they're merging Specialist Games and the main games studios.>that's completely different from how things are handled now!yep, it would be a complete 180° turn.But everything would make sense.
>>97760438The three year cycle is already doing this to a degree. The main reason 4th feels dead at the moment is because everyone had their book replaced with a shitty index or index tier battletome.
>>97760375Sorry anon but we needed to make more room for>3 MORE HUMAN FACTIONSand especially Nippon. Because apparently there's a massive market for Nippon.
>>97760382>The two settings are not distinct enough for two model ranges.Stop underestimating how petty and retarded GW can beI strongly doubt they'll merge the ranges since TOW has gotten a few new kits that would be redundant to AoS and this is something they would have been planning for a long timeHow would the merge even work anyway, would High Elves and Loomies coexist or would High Elves get squatted again?
>>97760438MESBG is always waiting for you friend. Same core rules for 25 years. Unaltered lore for 25 years. Safe from suits due to its low popularity but with a thriving community and a safe future thanks to GW wanting to deny the copyright. Also it’s very inexpensive for most armies.
>>97760452>but if they're merging the model ranges, everything suddenly makes sense.They’re not. >They are also firing ("making redundant") people because they're merging Specialist Games and the main games studios.that’s absolutely not happening I’m almost rolling on my floor for thinking someone can be retarded enough to think this is what’s happening. >everything would make sense.That’s how you know it’s not happening.
>>97760440if you look at a story that mirrors the ebb and flow of real life history and consider it unfit for your "narrative standards" then you've been sucked into a vortex of post-modernism where narratives imitate narratives and art imitates art instead of imitating real life.If you want a structured narrative, Games Workshop is not the place to be.
>>97760466The new edition list building sucks, but if you ignore the new edition it is indeed fantastic.
I want CoS split between Order of Azyr and Cogfort engineers.
>>97760469I actually really like the new edition list building because it prevents a lot of gamey and non thematic combinations that were possible before.
>>97760466Wait does middle earth have its own cuck circles too? Lmao.
>>97760417>low fantasy In what universe
>>97760475Nah those are just markers we used because the store didn't have terrain markers.
>>97760460the merge wouldn't be complete and total, it would be slow and messy. For example the Helsmiths of Hashut would get their Dominator Engine only for AoS, only some kits would be usable in the other system.For the Aelves and High Elves, I'd imagine some dual kits in the future, like White Lions of Chrace with an alternative bull head + hammer for example, things like that. Like they did with the Tzaangors or the Daemon Prince or Be'Lakor, they'd have options for different systems on the sprue.
PACK STUFF AND LEAVEAOS JUST DIED LET IT GO
>>97760479Most people don't read books or lore, they don't know anything about either games' settings. What did you expect?
>>97760472>GW stealing lore from Glest now
>>97760493>they don't know anything about either games' settings.More common than you’d think.
>>97759297KNEEL
>>97760493Even then a cursory glance at anything warhammer should tell you that shit is not low fantasy under any definition of the word
>>97760500Imagine being Abaddon and learning about Archaon
>>97760500Archaon should get fucked by any character. At least just once.
>>97760521Isn't he a Saitama-like figure in that he's dead tired of winning and just wants it all to be over but he can't fucking end it?
>>97759812>bag me a femboyBut why are you gay?
>>97760031>DEI money is overI have often heard that lately, but is there any actual argument or reason for why that would be the case ?
Is it strange that I have no faith in GW pulling an interesting Nippon? I doubt they even do more than a shallow summary of Japan, not even a specific historic era, but a complete generic mess. Cathay is at least somewhat Imperium oddly. But what then? The new Bretonnia faction being a bog standard Arthurian mythology ripoff yet again after Stillman? I doubt we'd get as much uniqueness as Tomb Kings with giant constructs.
>>97760540the IMF has been in a state of disarray for a year, with nobody willing to replace Klaus Schwab, and everyone being embarrassed at his failure as the rule of law collapsed and globalization stopped.The new investment initiatives are shifting focus and DEI is no longer in fashion.It's not vanished and it wasn't the only source of investment before, but the well has dried up significantly compared to previous years where it seemed it would be the future of investing.
>>97760500Archaon's fluff is:>One day decides to destroy the world>Does so and kicks in Sigmar's teeth as he does it>The gods think he's cool so they they send him through space and time to conquer countless worlds realities >Turns out Sigmar survived so the gods send him to the new Sigmar worlds>Sigmar pisses himself and runs away to hide in his room>Archaon kicks down his door and kills him>Get to go to conquer another world. He's based.
>>97760552The sole idea of more human armies is stupid to begin with.
>>97760552No, it's normal.
>>97760552Considering how disappointing Cathay was, both visual and lore wise, you have a right to have fears.
>>97760552"Not-Nippon" and "Not-Cathay" are not real.It was just the leaker venting frustration at a setting that he perceived to be "Not-Warhammer Fantasy". These were all derogatory mocking terms used to culminate an angry tirade that bemoaned belittled and mocked the idea of The Last World.
>>97760552>Is it strange that I have no faith in GW pulling an interesting Nippon?Not after Cathay.But on the positive side the Japanese are not so prickly as the Chinese, so GW might be able to get away with more.
>>97760575corporate sensitivity is not done because people actually get offended, it is done because it is mandatory procedure.Whether people do get offender or not does not matter.
They’re gonna turn Aos into a Elden ring like.
>>97760552I doubt it's as straightforward as just !cathay, !nippon etc. We'll get some humans with some mixed japanese and x culture elements, like the bozos in picrel, we'll get some chivalric humans but with y culture mixed in like order of the furrow or whatever, etc. Literally just japan and china like tow does it just looks out of place in aos, only faction to have such obvious iconography is seraphon and they get away with it because they're not human. Changing some shit about the background nobody cares about is quite different from changing the vibe of the models, which people actually do care about.Also this idea that they're merging tow and aos is retarded come on.
>>97760585>forgot the actual picrelWhoops
Be honest, you knew this shit was over.
>>97760592Personally I was thinking something along with scions of the flame
>>97760582If only, imagine a whole AoS faction with Elden Ring aesthetic. That would sell buckets.
>>97760601Well there’s maggotkin, stormcast…not really cities though, too much Jollyness there.
The best part of AoS is the high quality models, lore, specially realms, is secondary.
>>97760552For me, it's worse because it's something anyone else can do. Like GeeDubs Chaos is a trademark thing only they can do and rather than more >>97760375 we likely are getting the dullest incoming human factions. I can't call it vanilla because vanilla can be tasty if you catch by drift. I expect bland in a way that's not even GW flavored.
Why the fuck do I get struck with the desire to work on stuff at the most inconvenient times?
>>97760468so you watch this and are like, yes those all look like perfectly good movies to mehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQJOmT6J7N4
This is a more interesting Cathay and Nippon than GW will ever make.
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>>97760621Real and true. AOS has largely the best models but probably the worst or at least most boring lore of the GW IPs.
>>97760711I still haven't mastered fighting against Juren.
>>97760538I don't know how to tell you this anon, but there are some people for whom it is not gay to be into guys
>>97760556anon, GW was not getting DEI investment to make stormcast girls. You are have pickled your brain in internet nonsense.
>>97760711it's also a better FFXVI than FFXVI.
>>97760375I love spiders! I love spiders! I hate James Workshop!
>>97760734No, but people were being paid to tell them that more "diversity" was a good thing. Those people are now unemployed.
>>97760711Have you tried choking them?
no more human armies please at least deliver a proper orc or zombie army...
>>97760794Sorry anon, but we're not trying to appeal even to the WHFB crowd. Because as someone who was there, the Elves were huge, the Vampire Counts were huge (especially 7ed where Daemons, DE, and VC were broken), and many non-humans were huge. We're trying to appeal to the view that WHFB is about the Empire peasant with a spear, ignoring the Warrior Priest on the same battlefield, the cannons in a setting most don't have gunpowder, the wizard throwing fireballs on his team, etc.
>>97760734There were numerous firms that invested in GW (this is public information) that pushed DEI policies in other companies that they had significant stakes in. The DEI policies weren't just the result of Blackrock, it was orchestrated pressure from numerous investment firms done globally. Many of these same firms have officially backed away from pushing DEI, in their own words to their investors.
>>97760805At least the good news is we have reliable news that Vampire Counts are going to be among the first 2 Legacy factions to return to TOW fully. Solely because of how popular they continue to be in the community and at events despite being Legacied.I know we like to shit on TOW a lot but that's a clear example of what power the community has if it ignores GW's mandates of what is Legends and what isn't and does it's own thing, then it can force GW's hand.
>>97759321This is brilliant. The usual suspects will bitch and moan, but the level of sheer brilliance is astounding. This should be standard GW policy, have a rotating setting so it never gets tiresome or overburdened with lore, keep things fresh and new at all times. Fortnite uses this same model and it prints money. 40k should get the same fresh coat of paint.
>>97760841I don't think it's a rotating setting I think they are just getting rid of the realms and some other mythical fantasy type things like immortal stormcast in order to make the setting have stakes for normies.
>>97760815does that necessarily mean the diversity shit will stiop in lore and models ?while the money is no longer there, many people now working at GW are the sort of blue-haired wokesters who encourage these things, they might still do it
>>97760882I'm sorry anon, it's too late. GW now firmly believes in the existence of women. There's nothing we can do.
>>97760899I don't understand what you're trying to sayif you mean that having all male armies somehow erase or invalidate the existence of women, then I don't agree with youa fictional fantays/fake medieval setting is actually more interesting if it has patriarchal social rules and barriers and it isn't an endorsement of such valuesthe warhammer world was better when there were few opportunities for women
>>97760925It was more plausible in setting as well. No one views LOTR/Middle Earth as a patriarchal or racist or backwards setting, but women on the battlefield are the exception there, not the rule. Having women be 50/50 in most humanoid armies can pull you out of it because it screams modern progressive values creeping into settings that are nothing like our world.
>>97760932> Having women be 50/50 in most humanoid armies can pull you out of it because it screams modern progressive values creeping into settings that are nothing like our world.I completely agree which is why I didn't like the recent introduction of female knights in Bretonnia in TOW>No one views LOTR/Middle Earth as a patriarchal or racist or backwards settingAlas, many actually do, this is why they're trying to ruin it
>>97759756Nigga what the fuck are you talking about at the end
>>97760945>Alas, many actually do, this is why they're trying to ruin itThose things aren't people and don't have any human rights.
>>97760123probably ran what he wrote through an AI to scrub any identifiable language usage out of it.
>>97759322I think Kislev is really boring, at least CHYNA and Japan are interesting to me aesthetically.I don't care about bears
>>97760459Ditch the Kappa, they suck. Add more Tengu
>>97761055>he doesn't like pistol axes
>>97761055Kislev is kino. You have bad taste if you don't like it.
>>97761183>bears>ice>knock off hussars>more bearsIf that's what you think kino is, I can only feel pity>>97761170They're alright
>>97759321>WHFB fans like us>repeats the "WHFB was a commercial disaster" meme as factUh-huh, yup, sure, doesn't read like a troll at all.
>>97761203How is it a meme when the game died? No one bought models anymore and it fucking died man. It failed.
>"Le AoS is a market failure!">Number 4 best selling miniature range internationally in 2024>Makes up just a little under 1/4th of all GW salesCall me skeptical but I suspect Boole might have exaggerated a little and we're all doomposting for nothing.
>>97761264Whitefang and Whitefang jr both corroborated. It's real dude. Stop the cope it's not a good look.
>>97761269Yeah, but they also liked the posts that said Boole was exaggerating and that this was a first draft. It's entirely possible, probable, even, that he just chimped the fuck out.I suspect what is actually happening isn't "Chaos wins, everyone dies forever, all armies are getting squatted and the game gets rolled into TOW." It's far more likely that the realms get consolidated into a single world, Sigmar dies off-screen but in a "did he, didn't he" way, and 5th edition continues the narrative but now the Mortal Realms are one planet and Sigmar is MIA or something.Let me put it this way, GW is stupid, but they're a business. A business isn't going to spend all the money on logistics, manufacturing, & marketing making a bunch of new models for different armies just to then squat all those armies about a year & a half later. We're still in for second wave CoS, a refreshed Ogor line, and the rumored Khazalid Holds. Ossiarch Bonereapers just got a nice slate of new models and Helsmiths were a whole new army. Why bother releasing any of that if you intend to stop selling it in a year anyway? They'd just do a few filler releases and torpedo the setting like they did with WHFB End Times if this was truly the end of the line.Also;>No registered trademark for "Warhammer: The Last World," or "Age of Sigmar: The Last World," in UK, US, or EU.
>>97759618Lol, I remember the number of people adamantly stating variations on>Come on guys, get real, "bubble worlds"? Seriously? GW would never come up with something so dumb, and WHFB is an established brand and setting. This is absolutely a troll, you're all idiots.It's nice being distant enough from those awful events I can laugh about them now. Even better though is the thought of getting to laugh in the faces of some smug cunts at the local club, they chatted so much shit about WHFB when GW killed it, throwing every last bit of that back in their faces if this turns out to be true is going to be a memory I fondly recall on my deathbed.
>>97761293Cope at your own peril anon, but it's very clear where the wind is blowing if you trust even 1 of these rumor mongers that have impeccable track records.
>>97759633It was a setting with a city they claimed was the size of a continent. Even discounting the fact half of it existed in a plane of fire magic where growing stuff was a nightmare, how the fuck do you have a city the size of a continent in a setting with no refridgeration and no mass transportation? Everyone would fucking starve.AoS can't be "fixed" in the way you're thinking, it can't make logistical sense, it's a setting based entirely on vibes and rule of cool and if you think about it rationally for even a moment it all collapses. Their only choices are to continue leaning into that with all the issues that come with it, or rewrite things so much it might as well be this kind of End Times 2 blowout.
>>97761332>everyone would fucking starvejust eat the lava, duh
>>97759756Gloomspite was a mediocre book and I'm sick of pretending otherwise.
Orcs and Goblins should have never ever been broken up in the beginning and desperately need to be re-united again.The splitting up of the Greenskins is a dire mistake.
>>97761328Again, it's less cope and more looking at things skeptically. The idea of squatting the entire setting makes no sense even to the most head-up-ass stupid corpo. I think the broad strokes about the realms merging, Sigmar dying, the Stormcast becoming weakened, etc. are likely true but the whole "they're squatting half the armies after just giving them new models and also the game is a TOW 2 now" is just panic.Also "Battleworld" is such a dumb fucking name even for GW that there's no way it isn't some kind of rough draft placeholder.
>>97761332Source?
>>97760557I couldn't agree LESS, I've been slogging through his trilogy for like months now. He is by far the lamest fucking villain ever, he basically just goes whichever way the wind carries him, is a complete idiot who only does things because he's told not to. Also the whole "I bashed my face into a rock and got a magical warpstone eye that works better than my regular eye and also gives me magic sight" HOLY FUCK everything feels contrived. Which ironically it is if you consider Be'lakor did it, but that's also fucking stupid. The fact that Be'lakor can also rewind time and unkill Archaon like 12 times removes any tension I may have considered having.His whole origin with him being mad at Sigmar because he didn't personally come down and save him so he's gonna blow up everything forever is the dumbest shit ever. The books are also horribly written, entire chapters boil down to 80's montages of "And then archaon killed nurgulus the befouled and his green gang, then after that he went south and fought cornelius bloodface lord of blood, only to then recruit his army to beat silly slaanvesh and his supple sicophants" like, did we really need to add in like 2 pages just to add more pointless feats to this stupid shitlord. I have like 100 pages left and I'm just trying to finish it off so I can read anything else from the warhammer books I have sitting around.
>>97761369>"they're squatting half the armies after just giving them new models and also the game is a TOW 2 nowLiterally no one is saying that you schizo. Did you really just agree with the rumors and then make up a strawman to knock down? I think you're right btw. It's going to be a new setting with the same armies, at least for 1.0. I genuinely don't think FS and IDK are making it to 2.0
>>97761397I think watering down AOS even further is the stupidest thing GW could do. IMAGINE CREATING ANOTHER SECT OF PEOPLE WHO HATE YOUR GAME FOR SQUATTING THE LAST ONE, since it's not like it's gonna bring WHF people over. They'll then just say "Wow they killed our setting and couldn't even keep this one going"
>>97761363I want you to know anon, that you’re a fucking retard.
>>97761407>since it's not like it's gonna bring WHF people over>>97759739I actually think this guy from earlier today is exactly the audience they are trying to court. And it's smart. I think a lot more people will join the new setting/system (assuming the game stays fun) than will walk over the realms getting squatted.
>>97761419I mean reasonably this whole thing is probably just a means of catching whoever keeps leaking all this shit. So they have an idea of a bunch of people on staff who they think are the leakers and each one gets a unique stupid leak that sounds so crazy they can't NOT leak it. This shit just happened with that Marvel Overwatch knockoff, they gave specific stupid characters out to catch out was leaking and the character wound up being Paste Pot Pete.
>>97761397Boole said they were killing off a bunch of major characters & squatting a bunch of armies. People were making lists earlier today about which armies they thought were getting cut in 5th edition. Then the proofreader showed up and clarified "Actually only Sigmar dies maybe."It's just all very inconsistent & contradictory.
>>97761429How many times are we going to do this argument again. If it was just Boole, you could speculate that. But it's not just Boole. It's 3 very reputable sources and 2 more less reputable sources backing it.
>>97761433Just seems odd ya know, usually big events and things are planned years in advance. Skaven were being rumored and dripfed to us years in advance, I feel like something as big as "the setting explodes" might be a little bit bigger as to not show up like a year before the new edition drops. Like they are reliable leakers but it just seems very out of left field.
>>97761439This, plus as was said earlier, there's no trademarks registered for "The Last World." Skaventide was trademarked like a year or so before the box even dropped.
>>97761439>>97761441You guys realize we are a decent bit over a year away still right? It'll probably be announced next year at Adepticon for a summer release.
>>97761448It could be but this all just feels so sudden, it's one of those situations where I have so little faith in GW that I can entirely see them shooting themselves in the foot like this. BUT at the same time it feels so sudden and odd that I don't really understand what they're hoping to do here, killing off Sigmar feels like a big mistake unless they're just gonna call it "warhammer fantasy" again and if they do that HOLY FUCK any name change at this point is a terrible move. Like i'm struggling to comprehend what the plan here would be, and this is my problem I just assume the worst any time it's some corpo shit so I'm already biased and trying to overcorrect I guess.
>>97761433Except it wasn't
>>97761461Yeah, this just feels like the corporate equivalent of harikiri. It's such a stupidly planned, nonsensical move that it would realistically get shot down even by the most retarded suits. The issue is that GW is no stranger to genuinely stupid moves so I could see them doing it, but beyond the rumormongers, none of the evidence that they actually are doing it is in place.
>>97761461>BUT at the same time it feels so suddenIt feels sudden because we weren't supposed to find out for another year or so. It only feels sudden because it was leaked and not drip fed to us
>>97761474>but beyond the rumormongers, none of the evidence that they actually are doing it is in place.Y'know, except them stating that merging the realms is Sigmars plan for the last two edition.
>>97761475I mean sudden by leak standards, I'm thinking to how Skaven were leaked like... 3-4 years in advance, same with the chorfs. They weren't very detailed leaks but still leaks. It feels like there would be more surrounding this I guess. Unfortunately we don't have the stagnation that 40k gets where nothing ever changes.>>97761474That's my problem, pretty much everyone in this thread is no stranger to saying GW is horrible at any conceivable business decision they could possibly make and continue to shoot themselves in the foot. That's why I can totally see this as possible, I'm trying my best to like... Temper my expectations and consider alternate paths because I don't wanna just assume the most obvious route that GW is stupid is the right one.
>>97761486Not disagreeing with that. I'm disagreeing with the "Battleworld" and "Chaos wins everyone dies" and "back to rank-n-flank" shit.
>>97761491> "back to rank-n-flank"haven't heard that one
>>97761491No one said anything about back to rank and flank. You're either hallucinating or making strawmen.
>>97761183god this looks boring. just empire but drunk.
>more human factionsWhy not do something like an elf or dwarf faction of some historic theme?
>>97761500>>97761509Could've sworn I saw it in one of Boole's deleted posts but I could be misremembering.
>>97761548You're misremembering look at the blog
>>97761548there's a guy on tga compiling all rumors from all posts, even deleted ones.If it was ever said, it's here somewhere:https://www.tga.community/blogs/blog/456-the-rumour-list/
>>97759948>>NTA but stories we've had are comparably human compared to the Emperor. He doesn't want to be some god king, he thinks even if Chaos is all there is then he'd keep fighting>None of that indicates that he's a good character.>>OH HE'S A GOOD GUY IN A TOUGH SPOT, JUST LIKE ME FR FR.>WowNot him but it adds depth that teh emprah didn't have ever. What do you think counts as a good or complex character in geedubs writing? 90% are one-note or flat as fuck. Someone sent me the link to a short story about him and he's better there than most of WHFB's cast.
>>97761431>Actually only Sigmar dies maybeIn other words, no definitive & easily could be alive & likely to be revealed that he's still existing in some form late afterwards. Or they can do something crazy like>The offscreen fight wasn't like first expected>He used a body double>He somehow won & is disguising himself as Archaon>He's scattered into tons of shards that could be rebuilt>He's on a golden toilet seat for 10,000 years
>>97761642>he's better there than most of WHFB's cast.A pretty low standard. I dunno wat other guy thinks of whfb's cast but yeah lots were way shittier.IMO he's closer to Thorgrim in the sense that he knows how shit things are but still hopeful and is making changes.
>>97761651Wasn't the whole reason Archaon didn't want to fight the emperor is because he had like, an ounce of good and if Sigmar bonks him he just sigmarines him? >>97761642Sigmar's fine, he's pretty standard good guy god styled character. Still kinda blunt and would most likely rather be in the middle of shit rather than in management but is doing the best with what he has.
Nagash might be cartoonishly evil at times but he also has more actual characterization than any other god during age of sigmar(not counting old world stories)
>>97761651you know what they could do with Sigmar (and I have no idea why nobody has said this yet).He dies right? In Age of Sigmar.What happens to dead heroes in Age of Sigmar?They get reforged! They suit up, they get an armor, and they walk the battlefield with a metal mask on, in the name of Order.You can also have a plotline where Nagash takes that soul and tries to build a big Ossiarch with Sigmar inside
>>97759948Compared to many others, he's more fleshed out. He's maybe too optimistic. With Malign Portents and the Soul Wars there has been more development to Sigmar's character. In the former he discovered through Vandus Hammerhand's visions Nagash was up to something. Instead of rushing to Shysh to call the Skelepope off for this one he decided to use his cosmic powers to give his followers the means to fight back Nagash's plots. How well that went we may yet have to see in full, but that means Sigmar is now capable of long-term planning and giving someone else responsibility upon their destinies instead of just trying to save the day with a hot-blooded charge. In Soul Wars it's revealed Sigmar knew the Stormcast project had design flaws in the reincarnation procedure, but went ahead out of desperation to beat back the force of Chaos. This is a source of self-doubt and consternation for him. Nevertheless, he has taken counter-measures in the form of the Sacrosanct Chamber, again delegating responsibilities to his followers to find a solution as he simply can't deal with everything. He himself recognises he has made many mistakes - outright saying freeing Nagash might be his biggest - and feels responsible for his own bad decisions instead of blaming others. So, yes here is a Warhammer god who can actually recognize mistakes and learn from them for the good of the mortal races.
>>97761662That's because for some reason they managed to make sense of Grand Alliance Death and made it into something amazing, while Grand Alliance Order was a mess and Grand Alliance Destruction was forgotten in an attic.Even Grand Alliance Chaos is surprisingly a disjointed mess, Death is the only one that had a good structure and a good story
Coming soon with a piece of Sigmar.
>>97761651>In other words, no definitive & easily could be alive & likely to be revealed that he's still existing in some form late afterwards. Or they can do something crazy likeHonestly, that's what I'm expecting. Sigmar "dies" at Archaeon's hands right as the realms merge, but nobody witnesses it except the two of them. Magic fuckery makes everyone's pre-merge memories hazy and the death of Sigmar & fall of Azyrheim becomes a sort of mythological event. Then before 6th edition they start hint-dropping about Sigmar's return. Maybe the Stormcast suddenly regain the power to reforge right as rumors of a hooded warrior headed north begin or something.
>>97761669Death is probably the most organized and the only one who's a fully alliance. Chaos is Chaos, Destruction are a bunch of crazy "I fight anything" races, and Order makes power plays at each other 24/7 and are barely together against Chaos. In a weird way, I find Order the more interesting in the sense that there's many active plots rather than offscreen Chaos vs Chaos. When's the last time any GW property focused on Chaos vs Chaos? Morathi doing her power play I like because it shows it's possible to do big changes to lore characters without going full End Times.
I just remembered that Sigmar still worships Ulric.
>>97761663>>97761671Here's the storyline of the future:Nagash is afraid of Archaon's coming, and all seems lost, so he decides to resurrect one last Mortarch: Settra, the Mortarch of Pride. He begins the ritual. He knows he won't be able to fully control this Mortarch, but he has no choice.Meanwhile, the remaining Stormcasts with Grungni begin the ritual to reforge Sigmar into a Stormcast, they prepare a huge armor, and they begin the ritual....then the Skaven push a big red button to disjoint the flow of magic and ruin every ritual.But something unexpected happens.Sigmar becomes a huge avatar of Death that Nagash cannot control, while Settra is reforged into a big Stormcast armor and demands obedience from all the warhosts of the Stormcast Eternal.GW this is all copyright free btw you can steal it all for all I care
>>97761678>When's the last time any GW property focused on Chaos vs Chaos?I think a Cain short story had a Nurgle cult fight a Slannesh cult and one Cain story was about a 3-way fight between a planet's Slaanesh cult, World Eaters invaders, and IG caught between. Yeah, that's all I can recall at the top of my head besides video games. I don't recall any major plot points in any GW main timeline story where say Khorne's about to do a big thing but Tzeench screws him in the middle then takes over as the baddie.
>mfw I remember more times Daedric Princes have major storylines fighting each other than Chaos gods
>>97761690there was a box though
>>97761678If I recall right, Mortarion did an attack on Ultramar then Khorne guys attacked his territory and forced him to withdraw to defend.
Is this effectively just Guilliman coming back and the galaxy being split? Big shake up that realistically doesn't affect anything.End of the day, my goddess will survive and thrive as she always does. Not scared
Reminder that even Chaos loves killing Chaos and we need more focus on Chaos killing Chaos.
>>97761704if she gets killed and squatted they can just re-release her for Old World anyway
>>97761704One thing Broken Realms and so made me realize, there are still ways to do shake ups if it affects important story charters. Like, I've long criticized Games Workshop writing as having infinite random towns for the Empire, infinite lives for "dying races" like Elves and Eldar, etc. Every new big Chaos lord or whatever has some>Destroyers of X system that was invented for this storyso it's ultimately meaningless if trillions of planets or towns were lost. But something like>Morathi fully ascends to godhood then splits into twois more important because it involves lore characters that are more important than infinite nameless NPCs, If some Primarch comes back to life but gets infected by some ultra-Genestealer, that'd be a bigger shakeup that blowing up yet another planet nobody's heard of before.
>>97761712I doubt AoS is getting squatted. It's still the second best selling game. I am pretty confident it's just a big lore shake up. They even say there's more, grim darker SCE coming. If it's squatted why would there be new ones?
Malekith's better written than Archaon. Most of it is ruthless cocksucker, cold as ice and smart enough but still needing a bit of direction from his mom in the subtler points of politics and subterfuge. If I remember right, earlier on he was much more angry and less controllable, and it wasn't until he got stuck in the Realm of Chaos for a couple centuries that he cooled down, so he had like half an arc. In the End Times, there's more of him showing a sense of humor, insulting enemies and bashing allies, and I can't say I hate that even if it comes from that point in the lore.Archaon's characterization mostly relies on his tragic backstory - he hates the Chaos Gods and being forced to be their plaything and the good guy pantheon for not saving him, so he's going to destroy the whole world to save it from all the lies. Otherwise he's just essentially an evil leader of Chaos. Malekith's backstory gives his motivation - he wants to reconquer his birthright and is bitterly focused on it - but he is his own character beyond it, possibly because he's had to take thousands of years to not achieve his goal and instead sulk and plot and deal with other shit. And he's also got some back and forth with his mommy to help flesh him out a little.Is it amazing? By Sigmar, no. It's generic evil warlord 101. But it, in my mind, is a lot better than the attempt to add depth to Archaon when he didn't really need that depth, and pretty much every other major Chaos character willingly fell and didn't have all the hang ups.
>>97761718Morathi is not AoS
>>97761716Agreed. This is what I expect. Similar to 40k.Would be good to see more progress z not so much of the story and setting as a whole, but of what individual characters do
>>97761722That's like saying Riggs isn't in Lethal Weapon 2.AoS is a direct continuation of Fantasy
>>97761721>MalekithWho?
>>97761727so squatting Morathi means squatting the setting because she is the main character of AoS just like she was the main character of Warhammer Fantasy
>>97761734What
THe biggest thing about these new lore leaks, besides me laughing, is if they're true then it shows GW exceptionally blind yet easily influenced at the same time. I really dislike how the ToW roster included some of the lesser popular factions. Now don't get me wrong, I like TK, but I know they aren't what most of the players want because they were heavily neglected because Vampires ate all their attention no different than how Empire ate up all of Bretonnia's. They and Bretonnia are far from as popular as factions left out like especially Dark Elves and don't get me started on how neglected Beastmen were. I laughed when I saw pic released because I thought it was a joke.IN an alternative timeline where ET never happened and pic was shown as a 9th edition starter, you'd either get tons of anger from more players than happy, or you'd get "They'll release X army more popular than starting armies later" level cope. Anyone here played fighting games? This would be a shitty base roster bad enough to DECREASE sales among hardcore fans. So who's it trying to please? If I had to guess, it'd be the retractive fakegrog I see on forums trying to talk up factions like TK and Brets Just like how fighting game communities have "fans" talking about how great characters nobody liked and were rightfully removed were. If that kind of crowd can influence GW, then everything is fucked beyond repair for the whole company.
>>97761739I'm trying to follow your logic
>>97761742AoS is a direct continuation of Fantasy. Thus any characters in both are considered characters of both.Yes Morathi was a fantasy character first. But she is also an AoS character.Again looking at sequels of movies, because someone was in movie 1, does not exclude them from being a character in movie 2
>>97761716Reminder that you can destroy infinite Imperial worlds and the writers will keep creating new ones. Destroy as many as you want, the Imperium will always have more. So long as it's not an actual plot important place like Terra or Ultramar, the Imperium can suffer any number of losses because the worlds you destroyed literally didn't exist before the story that destroyed them.The Imperium is unstoppable. The Emperor has already won.
>>97761724I remember when Cadia was destroyed. It wasn't super big in the sense that even Cadians still exist and they made a new Cadia, but destroying a lore important planet like that or Ultramar matters unlike planets invented for the story. It's baby steps but I doubt even the greater 40k playerbase cares about all these background planets or events.
End of 2e probably the closest AoS came to being a fully independent setting. I can’t be bothered with the game writers and funders having such a WHFB hard-on they just try to make this into WHFB too. Really garbage.
>>97761766I was immensely bothered by the fact they ignored broad important parts of the lore, like Ulgu and Malerion, or the fact they never focused on Tzeentch's invasion of Chamon because they hate Tzeentch and they never want to give him focus so it's always Khorne in Aqshy or Nurgle in Ghyran.With this change at least they can write bad lore about the whole of the setting and I can feel a sense of completion as I read their slop.
Does the cope about the leak being a honeypot for GW to catch leakers have an actual basis?
>sigmar and archaon kill eachother at the same timei fixed it
>>97761741TK and Beastmen are basically there to give the good guys somebody to fight
>>97761764No one really cared about Cadia falling and it served no real purpose neither in short nor longterm. 40k's Imperium splitting into two did not even matter. GW can't writes stakes or impactful events, and Soul Wars+Broken Realms being what it is was simply a fluke.
>>97761782yes the fact that unlike other leaks Boole deleted his account after this one and tried to say "we" as if the account was the responsibility of many different people ("not my fault!") aka he got caught.
>>97761787TK is neutral compared to DE and VC's evil. During 2ed Old World Bestiary, there was that story where a guy was searching for medicine for his poisoned lover. Daemons were also more popular than Beastmen.
Anyway, no need to stress.Just go with the flow, you don't tame the ocean, you ride the wave.
>>97761293>I suspect what is actually happening isn't "Chaos wins, everyone dies forever, all armies are getting squatted and the game gets rolled into TOW." It's far more likely that the realms get consolidated into a single world, Sigmar dies off-screen but in a "did he, didn't he" way, and 5th edition continues the narrative but now the Mortal Realms are one planet and Sigmar is MIA or something.Ian't this basically what he says, without even having to look at it skeptically?
>>97761826Yeah.
>>97761782yes, considering he hasnt been able to accurately predict releases more than 6 months out and has conflicting info on the 5th ed starter faction, how on earth does he have this much info on the massive lore moments hes alluding to? also 'the last world' is such a dog shit name that i cant imagine gw being dumb enough to pick it, not to mention it isnt trademarked anywheremy conspiracy, he realised he was being sacked so made up a rumour thats like a good 80% false. because in his story there isnt anything, anything at all that is even slightly unexpected or not predictable from an outside lense. Merging the realms back together and archaeon doing it is an extremely obvious plot point going forward guys lol but anyways no point speculating, ima still build an IDK army
Out of nowhere I'm reminded of the time Yugioh blended Wizard of Oz and Star Wars. And somehow it worked. I legit trust them with making up more interesting armies than GW if we're going to get>Not Cathay>Not Brets>Not Nippon
>>97761831The last world would be the name of the plane, not the game. Like how it's currently called the mortal realms.
>>97761659>Wasn't the whole reason Archaon didn't want to fight the emperor is because he had like, an ounce of good and if Sigmar bonks him he just sigmarines him?No? Archaon was up for fighting him at any time. His whole thing is breaking the gates of Azyr so her can ram the Slayer of King's up Sigmar's ass. Sigmar doesn't want to fight Archaon.
>>97761842but why wouldnt you pick like a country name then? Tameriel, Azeroth, Westeros, these are much more marketable and less confusing for newbies also even mortal realms is more memorable than the last world and maybe even more clear to newbies than a country name like Westerosgranted 'the old world' is pre generic too, but that from its inception was a 'specialist game' but yea idk
>>97761782Why would the whole thing be ready 1-1,5 year before he releas? Especially when GW makes models first and then writes and excuse plot aroun them.Like the whole Season of War campaign was so rushed they were able to cancel part 2 after part 1 got bad reception, but this time thye have the hole thing planned so longahead? (the lack of new tradmarks is weird to if they are doing some big changes)
I refuse to believe gw would kill siggy without first making a bajillion dollars by selling a mini of him.
>mfw he won>mfw MK11's roster is still trash and I feel ashamed posting a webm from a game with Breakaway
>>97761875>I refuse to believe gw would kill siggy without first making a bajillion dollars by selling a mini of him.Sigmar is not that popular.
>>97761893All is relative I suppose, but it'd be the biggest aos release
>>97761876go back to 40k
>>97761875You don't get it, they're killing him exclusively because they don't have a miniature of him right now, but they'll bring him back the moment they have a miniature for him, and his return will be even more monumental due to that.
>yet another chaos roflstomp where the pet edgy boy wins and does... nothing it's just destruction for no reasonGW is obnoxious with their chaos boner.Shit isn't even their idea, they copied it from Moorcock symbol and all and then threw away the nuance of had with its balance and conflict with order.people will still buy it. They did so the last time GW did this
>the only setting WHF has is chaos seeking an apocalypse >the only setting AoS has is that the champion of that apocalypse won ugh noo please don't reference a foundational aspect of the IP again! How about something entirely alien to Warhammer instead!
>>97761955>chaosfags
With the leak out so early and out of control they are 100% shitcanning this idea and 5e will be another wheel spinning edition without a plot and you'll keep hearing schizos talking how new Gitz left buttcheek clearky proves it's a reused model from the canceled storyline (it's not, git asses were introduced in Maligned Portant)
>>97761974the book is being proofread, artworks have already been made, they're printing this thing soonWarhammer battleworld is on
>>97761986Nihil novi, Thondia art and models were made too. They even got rumour engines
>>97761974>you'll keep hearing schizos talking how new Gitz left buttcheek clearky proves it's a reused model from the canceled storylineIs this a reference to the kragnos = beastmen schizo discussions or the dorghar means slaanesh got squatted schizo discussions? I can't quite tell.Honestly after reading through all the leaks, if you filter out boole's doomerism this doesn't really feel that dramatic. I mean it's a big change, but it definitely feels more like an age of sigmar 2.0 than a "last world" reset like the end times was. Switch up the world a bit, but other than that I get the idea that it's still just age of sigmar with a fresh coat of paint. I think gw will have to really get ahead of the end times 2 doomerism though, because just the mention of that alone leaves a bad taste on people's mouth.Personally the only thing I'm really annoyed by is that they're turning CoS into even more of an imperial guard copy, but unfortunately that writing's been on the wall for quite some time now. Turning the realms into one world, or sigmar dying doesn't bother me that much.
>>97761974GW don't course correct, they make record breaking profits year on year. Your discomfort with their decisions is irrelevant - most of all because you continue to support them
>>97761934Sigmar will be reborn as a woman
>>97761998They literally did last edition on a much shorter time frame
>>97762000Three years is what every edition got.
>>97761989thondia was printed, gallet wasn't, this is getting printed
so they will propably disable comments on the reveal stream this week lol
>>97761935Chaos doesn't really win though, Sigmar is the one who makes the battleworld for no reason.
>>97761999Will it be shegmar or sigmher?
>>97761986>>97761998>GW don't course correct
>>97762010Sigmar dies like a bitch to a dude named Diederick who's sole driving motivation was "fuck you sky dad, you didn't personally talk to me that one time!".
>>97762010>for no reasonwe already have the reason
>>97762018All the gods die.
>>97762018I hate the black library authors for doing this shit in both fantasy and the horus heresyarchaon would have been an infinitely more threatening presence if we didn't know his past or his motivation
>>97762022Because that plan worked last time he caused the apocalypse, right? no, fucker personally elevated another chaos god instead.
>One regular world >Realmgates that sometimes activate allowing expeditions in the realms, now exclusively wild places that gods reside in
>>97762025well, if only a few continents become part of battleworld, the rest of the realms must go somewhere
if they are going forward with archaon winning yet again why not retire him as everchosen and just grand him godhood (unwillingly)? That way they can scale down the fail-forward competence of the villains and with rat there an extra one to cover aetheric dominion wouldn't change much and just be parallel to the Dark King
>>9776202740kids are already familiar with the concept of the webway, they can shove the rest of the realms into the warp and make them everchanging strips of land for travel between the gates
>>97762030archaon isn't winning, he's killing sigmar but he's not getting the realms or the other gods, battleworld is sigmar's victory and it stops chaos from winning >>97762021
>>97762021>It's gonna stop Chaos... somehow.>Does not stop Chaos
>>97762018archaon's character can only make sense if they drop the pretence that he's truly in charge of his own destiny and not a puppet of the gods.
Just woke up. You guys having another normal one?
>>97762038boole's leak says that after the merge the everchosen is stuck in the north having to prepare againit's fair to say the plan didn't go 100% smoothly, but if chaos had won, they wouldn't be stuck up there
>>97762040You just reminded me >the parts of the realms we know are kept>this means the gnarlwood survives
>GW revealing named mortal characters at adepticon knowing they'll squat them next edition
>>97762039He's no Mortkin, that's for sure.
>>97762043the surviving battle world is the gnarlwood
>>97762048mortkin is just a tale of hate begets hate, wanting to crash down single city that wronged him while Archaon is like erebus but with no control due to time rewinds
>>97762043The gnarlwood will persist forever. If aos ever gets squatted for real they'll just write it into 40k
The hilarious thing about Warhammer Battles of Fantasy (not to be confused with Warhammer Fantasy Battles), is that the start times are happening for no reason according to the leaks. AoS is a huge success just behind 40k which makes this even more baffling.>>97762058He also rejected his fate as everchosen and died a free man on his own terms.
>>97761931MK has more in common with WFB and AoS than it does with 40k
>>97762081I mean 40k was still the undisputed king of tabletop when they did their whole galaxy split and primarchs returning thing, though to be fair that was around the same time x wing was actually close. Making money won't stop gw execs from trying to fiddle and change things so it makes even more money. I'm assuming they feared AoS plateau'ing, and figured the "disconnected" setting was a major obstacle for new players and are betting on this battleworld style map to change that. I personally have my doubts, but I guess we'll find out.
>>97762007Yeh sure, they didn't print stuff months ahead, but are printing things over a year in advance
So, what did I miss?
>>97762097printing always happens a year in advance
>>97762104Sigmar lied.Sigmar died.
>>97762093Maybe GW is just upset that attempts of it leaving Tabletop for wider secondary audience haven't been working too well, guess it is a bit too weird for normies but eh, that's my guess
>>97762104Remember the end times?It's back, in singular world form.
>>97762081Shakeups are a given? It's been over a decade of the status quo. 40k got Primarchs and various shakeups, we get something more drastic because it's a new setting anyway and the current team aren't exactly attached. 10 years later, in 10th edition, we'll see Sigmar revive and the The Last World face it's end times. Woah! So exciting! Have you heard the news? They're killing The Last World, you have to check out the newest most exciting refresh.
>>97762081>for no reasonthe reason is that it's not performing to expectations just how fantasy wasn't performing to expectationsit's just that then the expectations were to keep the company afloat, now they are for it to breach normiespaces>noo it was different fantasy was way worse!the company as a whole was way worse, it was near bankruptcy in its entirety and they even hit the emergency buttons for 40k at the same time
>>97762091the poster is a tourist
>>9776211540k can barely do it and it's because of painfully mediocre video-games rather than the new lore where the Khan sings Meatloaf as he tears through Commorrauh and is summoned as a spell by White Scars librarians as a mass of fucking shit up.
>1ed age of sigmar: unfinished mess>2ed age of nagash: kino from start to finish>3ed age of kragnos: cancelled mess>4ed age of ratto: nothingburger>5ed age of tow:we really need another death-driven edition
>>97762104Freak the fuck out and panic sell everything RIGHT NOW
>>97762115>it was near bankruptcy in its entiretyLet not exaggerate now. They had a few semesters with declining profits. They never actually lost any money.
>>977621375th will be a jumbled mess as they try to retrofit the realms into a singular world, but then 6th will launch with a death faction, restoring balance and bringing a new golden age to aosSuch is the power of nagash
>>97762188Here is a preview of the goethathy of the Last World as well
>>97762188>>97762217KWAB
>>97762137All are one in Nagash.Sigmar the Thief, Sigmar the Liar, Sigmar the Deceiver, Sigmar the Barbarian will be forgotten as the failure he is
>>97762263>loses to a random Egyptian with a cancer sword
>>97762265It's an RPS thing. Skaven beat Nagash who beats Mannfred who beats Skaven.
So, uhh, adpeticon?
>>97762333cogforts
>>97762333No one cares when the woeld is ending soon LOL
>>97762333You excited anon?
>>97762365Genuinely kind of interested in the CoS models, though I'm not sure I like the direction they're going on if the rumours are to be believed. Whatever, I'll just make up my own lore if I like the models.Is there any chance at all they're going to acknowledge this whole debacle or are they going to give it the silent treatment you guys think? It's breached normie containtment now with valrak and other youtubers, that stream chat is going to get spammed to hell and back.
>>97762383Im willing to spam "Sigmar lied, Sigmar died" during reveal stream lol
My favorite thing about these rumors is the mention that the people working on it are just as baffled as we all are which suggests to me that there's the AoS writers have been telling the suits for month now that this is an awful idea and are probably laughing their asses off at the entirely predictable reaction.
>>97759321Look man I love AOS as a game but I'm a genuine sucker for watching GW crash and burn
>>97762387too bad because the suits are right, this was a good call, Age of Sigmar will be better than ever.
>>97762387You can't deny reality, even writers must know they did efforts for years to develop the setting and now they will blow everything up. I would be very upset.
>>97762395you sound like the orange man
>>97762397If this is true then the new core book is finished so they'll have stopped working on it for a while now. They've probably worked through all the emotions by now. Nick Kyme is the creative lead for AoS and a fucking moron judging by his Heresy stuff, but I'm pretty sure there's only one or two other guys working on actually writing the background. Maybe I'm just coping on their behalf.
>>97762409Who did we have before kyme? Kelly? He was alright.
WarCom owes me Sylvaneth battle traits.
>>97762405Have you noticed that in that video at the Azyrheim cafe Sigmar had eight fingers?
>>97762421Judging by his Linkedin and some of the rumors here, Kelly left just after AoS4 launched to be Creative Lead on 40k. There's some White Dwarf articles written by Kyme about AoS that say he's in the senior position now. Wouldn't surprise me if he hated AoS since inception and jumped on the first chance to convince the execs to kill it and replace it with a mix of fantasy and 40k, the settings he does like.
>>97762432I don't know how gw decidea these kinds of things to be honest. I don't know too much about kyme but a quick look at his work seems to indicate he's your average bolterporn writer with a weird focus on salamanders, and I don't think any of those books are particularly highly regarded. Feels like you'd want to put a fantasy guy in charge of your fantasy setting, even a whfb grog would know more than some valrak tier marine only autist.
>>97762432Kyme seems like a huge faggot and this rumours seems to confirm that theory. What i cant understand is how a exec can buy this bullshit statement, you dont have the "Low Sales" argument on your side like with Fantasy.
>>97762459If sales are not great and stagnant then I could see them buying the idea.
>>97762383>It's breached normie containtment nowI was interested to see what the normies think but I was surprised to not see it anywhere on reddit. Tga is on fire, it's all this place has talked about for a day, but reddit seems to be blissfully unaware. I wonder whay happened there?
>>97762477I would guess Reddit mods clamped down on the discussion.
>>97762477Obviously the GW aligned mods are doing damage control.
>>97760411Yeah the vibe is kinda dampened now isn't it?
>Squatcast Temporals
>>97762477>>97762483>>97762487So remember how about a day before this whole last world thing we had some rumours about beastmen coming back and potentially even being in a starter box? Some retard made a new separate post on there every time boole said something new, which annoyed the redditors because it was basically spam. So the jannies forced all the rumour discussion in a megathread which noone reads because it's kind of separate from the normal feed. One spamming retard is going to be the cause of tens of thousands of redditors getting caught with their pants down when gw drops this bomb in about a year lel.
>>97762441I think Kyme has a bit of clout in the studio because he's been around for a long time and has worked in an editorial capacity. His background as an editor might come in handy while he's the team's creative lead.I don't know what Kelly did as CL, he and the other writers were pretty quiet throughout 3e. I suspect the revamped CoS and the Dawnbringers campaign are very much reflective of Kelly's vision. If you've read his old BL entries for WHFB you probably get where I'm coming from. Both in terms of tone and detail the overhauled CoS read a lot like how he specifically used to write the Empire.
>>97762526We know Nick Horth was there for a good while, and might still be. There was a guy who did Helsmiths too, and it looks like he did the Flesh-Eaters revamp as well. But they probably didn't get much say on this if Kyme was airdropped in due to being an oldhead around the studio. Can definitely see a scenario where Kelly left them to dry and Kyme shat all over them.
>>97762521Leaks said they'd persist and feature in the launch box
>>97762387more likely a situation where the one or two like minded guys I know at the company with questionable levels of involvement agree with my opinion of it.I don't like this "as baffled as we are" sentiment around something we know jack shit about specifically actually. Its an appeal to a desperate for validation hivemind sentiment.
>>97762432he would leave because the 40k job is a huge promotion, at which point he wouldn't give a shit about aos anymore.
>>97762383if you think they're going to mention next edition a year out without any hard proof , like a physical rulebook scan that doesn't exist yet, then you're a complete newfag. They don't even acknowledge the concept of editions, or the 3 year cycle.
>>97762535Kyme was writing for AoS all the way back in 1e, I don't think he had to be "airdropped" in.I'm having a bit of a hard time forming an opinion on him as creative lead. I haven't read his old WHFB stuff, and even then it's all over a decade old now. I know he's been an editor at times and worked in the Warhammer Studio, so he should be qualified to manage creative projects.Depending on his involvement in the developments alleged by Boole, that could make it very easy for me to make up my mind here. Right now I guess I'll just have to wait for an official acknowledgement of the whole situation from GW.
Myari's Purifiers 2.0
>>97759321sisters of sigmar
You think in reveal stream they will adress some of these huge shitstorm that is happening? Would be hilarious if not see the two retard commentators trying to ignore the spam in chat.
>>97762619No way.
>>97762619>You think in reveal stream they will adress some of these huge shitstorm that is happening?No, GW will always ignore rumours unless there is a straight-up leak like with the 40k Ork Warboss
>>97762619>You think in reveal stream they will adress some of these huge shitstorm that is happening?No.>Would be hilarious if not see the two retard commentators trying to ignore the spam in chat.Nah, it happens all the time. The older bald guy clearly gets rattled and a little offended, and the younger glasses guys just course corrects him in a stilted fashion.
>>97762631>The older bald guy clearly gets rattled and a little offended, and the younger glasses guys just course corrects him in a stilted fashion.Did make the Custodes reveal very funny
Anyone have a PDF of the OBR 4th edition battletome?
>>97762634I don't remember itwas it because in the chat, a lot of comments were attacking female Custos ?
>>97762658>in the chat, a lot of comments were attacking female Custos ?Yes, lots of trans flags and that sort of thing are going on in the chat.
>>97762638There's a phone pic album of the rules, somewhere. But as for proper scans of the full English book, no. On that count I think we're still short Blighted Wilds, Lumineth Realm-Lords, Disciples of Tzeentch, and Ossiarch Bonereapers. Again, there are pics of them, but to my knowledge they've not been scanned.I'm pretty sure there's a very high quality scan of DoT and possibly the other books as well, but in French.
>>97762688Thanks for the info, hopefully we'll get those scans soon.
Haha, that do be like it is.
They might address it somehow. If not at Adepticon then with an article on Warhammer Community. Usually when a leak happens that wasn't suppose to they're quick to address and reveal the stuff themselves. This time the leak is really big, so they need to gather a team of PR, marketing and whoever to address it properly.
>>97762743>Usually when a leak happens that wasn't suppose to they're quick to address and reveal the stuff themselves.Only if there's photographic evidence, and not always even then.
>>97762587It's not really a standard new edition from the sound of it, this is a pretty big shakeup. It's not the end times 2.0 like the doomers think, but still since this got leaked they've been deleting all mentions of it on social media. They're know people know and are not exactly happy about it, I can see them trying to get ahead of it and offer some reassurances.
>>97762712And Underworlds is also winding down as well
>>97762743>>97762750We're also over a year out from shit actually hitting the fan, so they probably don't feel any urgency to address anything in detail.
>>97762750Ogors, Nurgle and Fyreslayers had 0 photos yet they revealed them
>>97762755It just got a new warband and deck the other week.
>>97762755>>97762767And is part of Adepticon reveal
>>97762743It depends. When boole first started posting they did a bit of damage control by posting that one quadruple rumour engine, and when stuff gets outright hi rez leaks they usually put out an image themselves, like for the ork boss or the nightbringer which was obviously supposed to be some big reveal in a show somewhere.But we've had blurry pics of half the CoS shit for months now and not a peep. Hell I remember 40k got a whole physical model leaked as it got sent to some rando and they never bothered to address that one either.
>>97762752they would delete mentions of it in both cases of it between somewhat true or completely fake, that doesn't lend validity to it.
This is new.https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ghkdf2i5/reclaim-nature-with-the-new-rules-in-battletome-sylvaneth/
>>97762774there was a fucking complete skaven sprue out before 4th and they said nothing.
>>97762800>The Sylvaneth also have a new prayer lore – Lore of the Spirit SongFUCK YES
>>97762800>gw going all in on awakened wyldwoodsthe mechanic itself seems interesting but brother do i hate those overpriced trees.
>>97762819I hope some new ones are made eventually with a less bizarre footprint.
>>97762800Is there a way for opponents to remove the tokens?
Assuming the leak is correct, doesn't that just turn the AoS setting into "fantasy but worse"?
>>97762834I suppose destroying a wyldwood could remove the associated tokens? idk
If i was James i will bet on time strategy, ignore the shitshow, keep with reveals and news let time pass and dont even mention it again, people will forget in a month.
>>97762843Basically.
>>97762843>fantasy but worsewhy?
>>97762864Stormcast, DEI, and the like.
>>97762843more like something like picrel if I understand things correctly
>>97762800Amazing another army gets baked in uncomplicated model recursion while my necromantic army of bonemen have jackshit.This games writers suck, more than any proposed reboot, that will be the reason 5e is a non starter for me.
>>97761693How good did this box did compared to other "basic regular" starter sets?Considering every starter has stormfarts vs other faction
>>97762843it will definitely more boring which is exactly what the mainstream plebs want because they are too retarded to understand the concept of a solar system.
>>97762884I wonder why there is such difference between books... Shouldnt all be balanced the same way?
>>97762884how is it uncomplicated if they have to spread their aids first?
>>97762885this wasn't a starter set it was a vs box
>>97762843It already is.
Since this general has mellowed out a bit I feel like we can discuss this properly, but are we expecting any significant gameplay changes with this little soft reboot? I'm assuming all armies and models to carry over, except for maybe the remaining whfb ones but that'd be separate from the "reboot" anyway.
>>97762932>>97759352
>>97759352why would they get rid of green skins?
>>97762907Doesn't require 200 points of a unit to be ww 12 inches to work or enemy units to dieDoesn't require a roll to workWorks on every unit in range The tokens come by default on trees you setup and spread to other terrain featuresOpponents can't remove the tokens themselves.Unit doesn't have to be topped off in health before you restore models to it.I'm not saying that the skill is too good or sylvaneth don't deserve it, just the gulf in writers and design philosophy is fucking ludicrous. I'd rather more books be interesting and fun than the slop nh and obr got.
>>97762948probably just the current iteration of ironjaws/kruelboyzabsolutely no way there's not gonna be an ork faction in warhammer
>>97762932the double turn is a big turn off to new players, just like the mortal realms, so I expect it to gobut then again fluff writers and rules writers are somewhat separate rooms
>>97762948Krule are extremely divisive even here, Orcs instead are very popular in fantasy and 40k, they should do something with them better than Ironjawz and without those sidekicks.
>>97762944Are Idoneth so unpopular they could disappear?
>>97762992they're unpopular but I don't really expect any factions to go bye bye next edition.
what if the warhammer fantasy world was the battleworld of a previous set of mortal realms?
>>97762992Yes. So disappointing. When I heard the rumours of Cthulhu elves, I thought we were in for Lokhirlikes. Instead it's just bald whores.
>>97763058>LokhirlikesWe call those Scourge Privateers.
>>97762992being 1% of the 20% of overall sales isn't that great.
>>97762948because Greenskins are rooted in racist depictions of African Americans as savage, violent and barely coherent monsters
>>97763137nobody wants warhammer orcs to be niggers, they're meant to be english hooligans
>>97763137warhammer is immune to this criticism because they gave em all retarded cockney accentsmasterstroke really
>>97761258Kirby being a delusional faggot who saw no commercial value in anything that wasn't selling like Space Marines ie literally everything else GW has ever sold is not the same thing as "nobody bought models", dipshit. We've had multiple insider accounts from that time period that basically frame things as it wasn't doing as well as it could, but that the actual reason it got End Times'd was just yet another instance of Kirby being delusional.Not earning the maximum profit at all times is not the same thing as not being profitable at all.
>>97763189>Not earning the maximum profit at all times is not the same thing as not being profitable at all.For corporate it absolutely is.
WHFB was a financial failure, that's a fact and the reason why the setting was nuked.
>No dark elves>No tomb kings>No bretonniaNo wonder its dying.
>>97763235>no dark elvesdok?>no tomb kingsossiarch?>no bretonniayou seriously want feudal france ik your fantasy game?
>>97763189it got outsold by age of sigmar practically immediately when all the new stuff we had were stormcast, fyreslayers (lmao) and khorne. When all the art was hasbro tier shit and the "maps" were worse. Not to mention 4 pages of rules with no points.Warhammer fantasy must've been on its absolute deathbed to get outsold by pre-ghb 1st edition. I don't think it was ever losing money or anything like that but to gw it must've seemed like a pretty clear death spiral.
>>97763252>dok?Lets make a faction out of 1(ONE) unit of Dark Elf roster!>ossiarch?A mockery from n*ggash.>you seriously want feudal fr*nce in your fantasy game?Fuck yeah, churl.
>>97763260>it got outsold by age of sigmar practically immediately when all the new stuff we had were stormcast, fyreslayers (lmao) and khorne.nope, aos didn't start selling until the general handbook and start collecting boxesit wasn't the new lore, it wasn't the new miniatures, new rules and new boxes deals was what fantasy was missing
>>97763278we have more dark elves than tow does
>>97763279>nope, aos didn't start selling until the general handbook and start collecting boxesstraight from the horse's mouth. Gw's financial report from the 2015-2016 financial year (which ends at june 30th, the general's handbook was released in july 2016)Though I agree that start collecting boxes were a major part of gw's successful strategy at the time, struggling with new blood was one of whfb's major flaws and those boxes helped to alleviate that in a big way.
Did the sylvaneth spearhead get squatted?
>>97763297>straight from the horse's mouththe horse is beating around the bush of the fact that aos didn't sell at launchshortly before the general handbook people were already organising fanmade matched play guidelines you don't revitalise a dying brand with fluff or one or two new ranges out of a dozen
Just coming back to AoS , any body hev current General’s Handbook pdf ?
I have a friend who finally wants to learn tabletop so now I have an excuse to pick up random spearheads to paint, is FEC fun to play? I fucking love them aesthetically so Il probably pick up stuff regardless, but are they fun to play in spearhead
>>97762932I don't see why any factions would disappear. With how recently GW produced most of this shit it would be silly to just outright remove anything. It hasn't stopped them before obviously but it's entirely a glass half empty or full situation.>>97762955They'll probably just get melted into one thing desu, the kruleboyz have nice models and some fun lore. Biggest mistake I'd say with them is having Kragnos taped to them as well instead of just having Kragnos be a beastmen or whatever the fuck the ogroids are.
>>97762843its whatever interpretation that fits your preferred agenda.
>>97763278>Fuck yeah, churl.Only knights I want are naked green drooling retards, I don't want a generic bucket helmet faction to pander to those chumps who think "Deus Vult" is the top of the comedic food chain.>>97763355They are very fun to play, extremely straight forward and a few different means of getting them to work. I have absolutely no fucking clue how they function in Spearhead but uhhh I'm sure they're probably around as fun as they are in the game itself proper.
>>97762885it was a notorious flop.
>>97763356>I don't see why any factions would disappearthe big change in fluff speaks of a big dissatisfaction with how aos is performingif that poor performance gets blamed, even in part, on diminishing returns from this or that faction, then they might get changed as wellunfortunately our only metrics for faction popularity is the size of subreddits
>>97763336>we finished the year with sales of Warhammer: Age of Sigmar at a higher rate than Warhammer has enjoyed for several yearsWhat beating around the bush? There's nothing ambiguous about this.>aos didn't sell at launchyeah I agree it was a massive mess which makes it all the more shocking that it still outsold fantasy
>>97763355they're pretty dang fun, the spearhead does a good job imo of reflecting FEC and how they work in the full gamekeep in mind they're almost all melee units but they have a ton of speed to compensate and have regeneration abilities and stuff
>>97763382I think the smartest solution to this would just be GW bringing back Grand Alliances and letting people mix shit up a bit. Like a pick and mix version of RoR where you have X many fun bucks to get units from other factions in the same group. Since the biggest problem for shit like Idoneth or Fyreslayers is they just feel like they're very barebones and incomplete. (Which mind you, entirely on GW for not fucking DOING ANYTHING with them but still)I personally think dropping a model range is a bad idea as opposed to fleshing it out and making the old stuff more viable so you can sell it now that people are interested.
>>97763387>What beating around the bush?talking about the state of sales at the end of the year rather than across its duration, and talking about the size and effort of the launch instead of its effectsin corpo speak, that's beating around the bushwhile this part>we learnt some valuable lessons during the year on how to deliver product system changes on this scale is corpo speak for "it was at that moment that we knew, we fuck'd up"
>>97763189People always ignore that they were pushing lotr for over a decade at the height of its popularity, and everyone was playing that instead. AoS release lines up with directly with its die down with the end of the film franchise. Its was just a fucking predictable reboot as they shifted to promoting their in house property. The viewpoint that aos and whfb are something entirely separate is so bizarre to me.
>>97763416gw has proved time and again that they can't or don't want to deliver on good ally systems or cross compatibility for rangesthe only practical solution is souping
>>97763443Lotr was a behemoth at its height yeah, wasn't the uruk hai kit the only one to dethrone tactical marines or something? It was more of second pillar to 40k than fantasy was for a good while.
>>97763454The problem with souping is gonna be the soup faction is gonna have to have it's own points and systems and GW won't wanna do that either so it just won't happen. Since it's either gonna be "run whatever the fuck you want together, none of it can interact" or "run X, Y, and Z and they can do things but only if you have A, B, and C"
>>97762566Yeah they're just gonna be even more Space Marines than they already were.
>>97762932>are we expecting any significant gameplay changes with this little soft reboot?no, I expect its overblown and to literally just be the 5e storyline and barely effect anything on the table at all because its not actually a reboot, sequal, relaunch, whatever that the games haters are wishing it is.
>>97762612Classic rumor engine that gets revealed a day after it's posted.
>>97762932I'm expecting no bigger rules changes than with any other edition.
>>97763480That's the most reasonable expectation
Soup is one of the biggest design mistakes GW makes from time.ALWAYS is shit and ends with some part of the soup fucked and forgotten forever.
>>97763547Shit that happens with some factions regardless of soup or not, just look at spiderfang.
>>97759352We need another term than squatting to describe this kind of erasure because the history of the squats cannot properly equal how momentous these changes are gonna be
>>97763589GWing
>>97763589>>97763598AOSing
>>97763598>>97763614kek
>>97763547Soup is just what GW does instead of squatting, 99% of the time. As much as people like to get hot and bothered about the possibility of an army they don't like getting the axe, in reality GW almost never squats armies, and when they do they almost always come back eventually. It's the most nothingburger of happenings.
>>97759352You'll keep posting this every year as these factions get more and more new models, your neck drifting closer to the rope each time.
>>97763667SHUT UP THEY'RE GETTING SQUATTED JUST LIKE YOUR STUPID CHORFS PEOPLE WILL FLOCK BACK TO FANTASY AND OUR THREAD YOU BADIR BITCH BASTARD
>>97763434"By the end of the year" as in the whole year taken together, not specifically that moment in time. Even if it was, doesn't matter, as it was apparently more than fantasy had enjoyed for "several years". >we learnt some valuable lessonsI agree with you that this is corpospeak for damn what a fucking shitshow that was, but again, only goes to show how badly things were going for fantasy at that point. Gw mismanaged the fuck out of that game.
>>97759352>KruleboyzAre these guys AoS biggest blunder? My FLGS still has boxes collecting dust and sun damage
>>97763723What's wrong with them ?Are they really so unpopular ?
>>97763723not even top 5 kid, imagine thinking this when flying sharks exist and they drug chorfs out of the garbage bin of history.
>>97762992What sort of feels do Namartijak have ?
>>97763723Depends on how you look at it. If they were a normal faction or even subfaction released somewhere in the middle of an edition they'd be fine. But they were wayyy too weird to carry a starter box. I'm sure gw made good money but a fair amount of lgs's got fucked over lol.
>>97762387The suits are right though. The setting is an afterthought for even most AoS players. And a major barrier to entry for outsiders. It's been a decade and you still regularly here people say they just can't get into the worldbuilding of AoS and that keeps them away.
>>97763738Chorfs are MILES better than Azog orcs lmao not even comparable
>>97763753he's given ones without a single F
>>97763589What changes? There arent going to be any.
>>97763396That's good to hear, it's one of the armies I just wanted a bunch of the models, I'm still working on my skaven army to actually play a real game but fec is something I'm interested in model wise, and I figure more spearheads will let me have fun while painting but also have shit if my friends are interested, I also really want to pick up ushoran
>>97763801chorf fans are worse than wikifeet mods, you people should be on a federal list.
>>97763723for me the main problem is merge them with orruks, orruks had a history, in fantasy, in 40k, they have a specific charisma and a certain humour (their machines works because they believe they work even if thise are made of scraps!) kruleboyz lack and whats worse they were released as they were destined to be the new big shit of destruction alongside kragnos, both of them ended being a huge flop and orruks unlike gitz that are a beloved and popular faction remained just as "those big violent guys wraped in metal" no relevance, no good range, nothing.
>>97763813Doomers (and trolls) have convinced themselves this is the end times come again.
>>97763356>I don't see why any factions would disappear.anon, they squatted the Beasts of Chaos and the entire Morghur subplot for no other reason than a dead game being resurrected and performing way ahead of their projections. Imagine what they will do once they start destroying the Mortal realms in earnest
ToW monkeys and faggot Trolls are farming (You)s since Sunday
>>97763723>Are these guys AoS biggest blunder?no, that's stormcasts and fyreslayersstormcasts they try their damn hardest to salvage to the point they've reinvented them more times than the rules of warhammer themselvesfyreslayers are just a sad thing
>>97763849This is going to be very sweet for all the BoC and FS fans who have been told that " your armies don't sell well, should have bought more :) " . Eagerly looking forward to seeing at least some of those people eat a plate of shit served up to them by GW
i miss them... i hope no current army goes their way.
>>97763849They would have to put in work or have the shit transferred to another game for your point to function. You could have at least made fun of 2e stormcasts getting squatted.
>No TOW at adepticon Oh man it's going to get worse ITT isn't it
>>97763892the worst case scenario is that aos finally lets go of all the older models, including some end times and early aos onesdaughters of khaine and khorne are the ones most at risk, after fyreslayers, but we already know what's going on for them
Give it to me straight /aosg/, after all this time, did WHF win?
>>97763932>Khorne>At riskHA HA HA
Is there an easy way to paint super bright warpstone without an airbrush
>>97763913Yeah they're all going to be crashing here. The nicest aosg ever has heen was when they dropped the new cathay lore that shat all over the other factions, so all the usual suspects were shitflinging at each other in wfg instead of here.
>>97763947Many are saying this!
>>97763913I believe we've got bigger problems than TOWers here.Boole was waiting for adepticon to reveal his stuff but blew his load early, it's still more than possible he'll make a lame return after adepticon with more stuff, just like he did with the last series of rumors.Last time a suspicious new rumormonger appeared after boole's disappearance, and when that one stopped posting boole popped up again.
>>97763962I'm 90% sure this is them being fucking caught by management.
>>97763947yes, won the prize of being replaced by a superior product :^)
>>97763819very nice! i will say if you want to try out a few armies in spearhead or what have you then TTS has some great workshop mods, it's how i got into warhammer underworlds as welldefinitely worth considering if you're worried about dropping 100+bucks on a spearhead army only to assemble and paint them and then realize you don't like how they play in-game lel
>beastmen confirmed to be coming back>news completely overshadowed by the leak of a soft rebootLmao these guys really are hated by the gods
>>97763971Fucking good Fuck these faggots
>>97763947Yes, that goblin's watch finally tick-tocked to a stop and he flying scissor kicked AoS into the garbage.
>lore changes >rules and models stay the same yawn big nothing
>>97763987How they will make BoC more interesting this time? I think that faction is condemned
>>97763990like a sexy goblin?
>>97763987Proof?Oh wait you have none.Bro you should start an account on The Gays Alliance and become a star!!!
>>97763971For the 100th time. It was not just Boole. It was Whitefang and WBMU as well. And for non credible leakers we have that Krud or whatever guy who Whitefang corroborated as well. This theory is just cope
>>97763813Entire armies likely being discontinued : Fyreslayers, Idoneth, Kruleboyz...Hopefully not but these are the rumors
>>97763954by "super bright" do you mean having a glow effect like OSL? generally you can achieve that effect by using drybrushing for the glowing and just use contrast paint over whitefor general warpstone stuff though start out with a green color, use a dark blue wash for the shadows and holes/dark areas, and then drybrush the raised areas with a light green and a few pointed spots with a yellowif you're a citadelpaint fag (like me) then you can use warpstone glow, drakenhof nightshade, moot green, and yriel yellow
>>97764015then why the stupid lame ass message like they're leaving a fucking voice comm in system shock
>>97763987Beastmen are 100% not coming back, we have nothing to indicate they are other than a misconstrued Boole rumor from a few days ago that he walked back yesterday.
>>97763979I honestly don't really play at all. I never had much fun playing 40k but aos seemed a lot better, but for me I'm more of the books and model painting side of the hobby, I mostly wanna give the game a try, but I just like painting
>>97764016Literally this is shit you're just making up. Fyreslayers are confirmed to be getting new models soon. There are no rumors regarding IDK and KB leaving either.
>>97763953I think he means the 1st ed bloodbound models will get replaced by new models, not that they will get erased from the lore
>>97764024I assume for opsec they run all their news through an AI to rewrite the leak and remove any language or writing style that would make it identifiable.
>Now trolls are making up fake rumours This is getting out of hand
>>97764038as nice as that sounds I dont think khorne will see anything before slaanesh or nurgle at this point. >>97764043They've been doing that from the start. Im starting to see why GW only does rehashed shit with 40k now.
James finally realized AoS was a failed experiment
>>97763953not as a faction, but some kits are blood warriors and bloodreavers are stiff early aos kits, not dissimilar in reception to fyreslayers and fatcastsskullcrushers are older fantasy models, and not even with the same style of armourswrathmongers are from the end times, they were never well liked, and their accompanying character was removedthe korgorath only exists bundled together with an sprue from the first starter the bloodsecrator is attached to khul and khul has left us and will get a flashy modelmaybe the mighty lord of khorne will stay as generic charactermaybe khorne will keep having the starter sprue sold forever maybe khorne will not see any update or reshuffle together with the release of demon prince khulbut I personally very much doubt the above
>>97764031i was more or less in the same boat, for the first half a year or so of getting into warhammer i was just painting and reading the books, but that's one of the curses and blessings of picking a horde army like skaveni never much cared for 40k's playstyle but after playing AoS with friends i dig the mechanics quite a bit, although the painting side of the hobby is definitely very enjoyablefeel free to post your minis sometime! i love seeing other anons' "Your Dudes"
>>97764054Yup, and Fantachads are waiting in the wings to feast on the carcass.
>>97764054Not finally, that one leaker claims to be proofreading the new core book so they realized it a while ago if the first draft is done and being sent out for review.
>>97763987>>beastmen confirmed to be coming backnot any more than this one kit means beastmen have become a faction in 40k
>>97764062I'm also a rat enjoyer, thanquol was the last thing I finished, and I'm currently working on a verminlord warpseer, and I got some more Admech stuff to paint, but I fucking love painting skaven, even if I paint em like shit they can still look okay compared to other models
>>97763829yeah yeah not my gorilla orks, no one cares grandpa that shit was always stupid.
>>97764109i still need to pick up thanquol, although i've been severely limiting myself since i don't want my pile of shame to grow any bigger than it hasmight pick him up after i finish my doomwheel and reinforced jezzails, since it does seem like a very fun model
>>97764026He walked back on them being the starter faction, he doubled down on them appearing.
>>97763189Cut your throat. Go to your kitchen and get a knife and do it now. Join your failure of a game.
>>97764219Hmmm, who's setting is being squatted again?
>>97764161I was a little worried since I hadn't painted in a while and he seemed a bit overwhelming, but holy fuck he was a blast to paint, but skaven are fun to paint except clanrats
>>97764224I don't know? Surely you're not implying an unconfirmed soft lore reset means "being squatted" lmao
>>97764234>No Mortal Realms>No SigmarYeah AoS is cooked. Nice cope thobeit.
>>97764247>>97764247>>97764247
>>97764244lmao, go back to /twg/ already
>>97764234Make sure to buy the Cogfort. You only have a year or so to use it before it gets squatted HAHAHAHAHA
>>97763738>flying sharksNo more Shark threads
>>97763235>>No tomb kings>>No bretonniaDoes anyone care for them? Enough to buy them.
>>97759469>The Great Horned Rat wins, running through his domains GW finds the perfect fit. Age of Desperation. Not for the characters, but for the shareholders trying their best to kill off this fucking setting.
