>The elves are dying out and the dwarves are dying out and the giants are dying out and-What are some good examples of settings where these races are on the rise instead? Dungeon Meshi actually does a good job of it, with the long-lived species being the dominant species of the setting and fairly uncontested in their place.
>>97767232The reason for Magical species dying out is because LOTR is about the end of the golden age and magic and the rise of man
>>97767232I think Dwarves in 40k are resurgent. Elves are not.
>>97767250>40kFantasy.
>>9776725040k dwarves are still slowly dying out as their Votann become more senile
>>97767232There's no real conflict in "[race] is resurgent and doing well" unless this race is in an antagonistic position.Meanwhile, the decline immediately introduces conflict, a plot hook (stop this decline), motivations for characters, etc. etc. etc. What is there to do with "the elf kingdom is doing super well and going good" unless you move from that into active expansionism, which is an entirely different position?
>>97767232Guild Wars 2 has humans as the fading race, dwarves are basically extinct already but the elf type race is new and growing.
>>97767276As a human, you don't WANT the elves and dwarves and giants to be doing well. The ideal for humanity is for these races to die off.
>>97767291Why not? Their suffering isn't necessarily my advantage. If we all can stand together, we can all gain.
>>97767291The ideal is developing strong trade relationships with them, which requires that they prosper
>>97767312>>97767319They're a competing race. Every bit of land they occupy is land not being occupied by humans. Racial existence is a zero sum game. Eventually there will be no more space to expand and no more room and food to feed a growing population, and the only choice will be to exterminate the other races.
>>97767326>Eventually there will be no more space to expand and no more room and food to feed a growing populationThen you just hit a population equilibrium and growth is then determined by other factorsPopulation growth can also be driven by urbanisation at that point
>>97767326If this was true, nations would just launch campaigns of extermination at one another until only one remained. This is simply not true, nor practical; peace and trade have their own advantages.
>>97767363for example, the world superpower, could just, at the end of ww2, have kept making nukes, and blown up russia and china before they ever got nukes etc.they did not. instead, the world superpower decreed that oil be bought and sol in any capacity in USD, with the profits of doing so for the US, paying for the USN to gaurantee world trade on the seas. that's why the petrodollar exists at all. ath the end of WW2, the USA could simply have rolled over its supposed allies and MADE itself an empire in fact, as opposed to merely being accused of being one.
>>97767421>and blown up russia and china before they ever got nukes etcWe should have kept going and nuked Stalin out of power. Would have prevented so much death and suffering.
>>97767428unfortunately, only hindsight is 20/20, even though 'we' did in fact have strong and compelling evidence that Patton was right about russia.
>>97767433I mean we knew the soviets were going to turn on us after the war. Americans fucking hated the commies before the war too. I'm personally of the opinion that not toppling Stalin when we were peerless in our weaponry was a generational fumble we're still paying for. But I suppose there's something to be said for taking the high road, especially when you don't know the future.
>>97767326retards with zero understanding of history, biology, ecology, etc. if we were to buy your argument you'd just inevitably run out of resources to exploit and die out regardless.
I propose to all good and free races a dimpomatic and mutualistic strategic alliance to wipe ethnonationalist-anon's bloodline off the face of the earth. We WILL all rise together. No other future is tolerable
>>97767326>exponential growth is the only possibilityOr we could just not.
>>97767421>, at the end of ww2No. Even operation Dropshot which planet to drop over 300 atomic bombs on the Soviets would have not been ready until 1957. Even then, atomic bombs would have not played a decisive role.Significantly, one of Dropshot's fundamental assumptions is that nuclear weapons could not be decisive in and of themselves. Given the assumptions at the time it was written, during the Korean War or thereabouts, this seems reasonable. Dropshot was written with the assumption that the only way to get a nuclear weapon, probably yielding 50 kilotons or less, to its target, was to put one or two of them on a propeller-driven B29 or B36 bomber and hope it reached its target without getting shot down.
The Dúnedain remain ascendant at the end of the war of the ring.
>>97767243Yes. Pretty much every other narrative makies their magic races as dying because LOTR did it, but they didn't read into why that was the case, or the context for it.
>>97767421Up until 1949, people were still afraid of detonating too many nuclear bombs because they could potentially incinerate the entire atmosphere, according to some theories of the time.
>>97767232Traditional games?
>>97767326>sousou no reddit>retard opinionYes, checks out.
>>97768383No they pretty much all follow the same metric of the end of an era
>>97768825off the top of my head, most settings tend to have elves and dwarves co-exist alongside humansarcanum gets a special mention because, while the game takes place at a pivotal moment where magic is disappearing and giving way to technologyits part of an endless, repeating, cycle where magic ebbs and flowsthe elves are retreating at this moment in time, but give it 10,000 more years and its the other way around as technology instead wanes back to lostech while the world turns back to fantasy
>>97767291Humans are garbage, I'm one here because it's the only option but if other sapient species existed I wouldn't be.
>>97767243>>97768383Only reason LOTR did it is because of the shared myth of the giants dying out based on the shared experiences of our ancestors interacting with the Neanderthals.
>>97768396>afraid of detonating too many nuclear bombs because they could potentially incinerate the entire atmosphereEh close enough to what happens and lives were saved because of it, miasma theory all over again.
>>97768846>if other sapient species existed I wouldn't bBullshit you could be an elephant stealing bananas from niggers right now, but no you chased the meta and now we have to deal with you.
>>97768878If he chased the meta he would be a bug, anon. Just the fly build alone is thousands of times as popular
>>97767291Fuck humanity. >The ideal for humanity isagonizing death.
>>97767243Elves are dying out because it takes hundreds of years to raise an elf to adulthood. You got fifty or so years of them being literal infants and barely able to walk. As such it's a gigantic drain on elven society to have kids all willy nilly and it's a communal decision on whether or not to have one. In times of war where their population takes a hit, it might take a couple of millenia to build it back up.Humans breed like cats in comparison.It reminds me of when Ghegis Khan BTFO a middle eastern region so hard the population didn't reach pre-Ghengis levels again until around the 1980s.
>>97767232>that imageMost pet lizards end up vegitarians of certain sizes. Bearded dragons, etc.
>>97767232>The magic is coming back and this is presented as a bad thing.
>>97768964extremely long lifespans become a benefit, even at the cost of slow birthrates, once you hit civilizationssince that means that the population is much less susceptible to short-terms trendshumans would be subject to rapid population growth when the climate suddenly decides to be mild, followed by mass die-offs after when the climate changes the more stable population growth of the elves would mean slow but steady population growth that wont rapidly overshoot the local limit and more importantly, creates much more societal knowledge to prepare against itwhile lacking the sprint speed to grow their population like humans, elves could maintain strong stable institutions through hardship much better
>>97768964Iran and Turkmenistan region. He killed so many people that forests reclaimed most farming land and destroyed aquaducts while killing all the craftsmen who knew how to build and maintain them. All because some dumb Muslim royalty was a complete shithead. Khan sent envoys that pretty much said "You guys rule the West, we rule the East. Let's be friends and prosper together." and the royal told them "Fuck off". Khan, assuming his troop must have fucked up because there was no way a royal would be that rude, sent even more guys, with gifts, and tried again. The royal killed everyone but the interrupter, who he maimed, and sent him back to make his "Fuck off" stance clear. Khan proceeded to just kill between 10-30% of the planet's population by just murdering the shit out of every single Muslim he could find in that region with no surrender accepted. Khan died and his sons took over agreeing that their father was right and just kept on killing until they thought they had essentially glassed the entire region.
>>97768996Considering 99.999% of shit that goes sideways in fantasy can be traced to "A wizard did X", magic coming back is absolutely a bad thing.
>>97769023>it's your fault i killed tens of thousands of people>see you were mean to me and didn't trust me>obviously i am trustworthy as shown by the fact that i killed 10% of the world population because my ego was hurtthe Mongol cries as he strikes you
>>97768996There are two kinds of fantasy>Once, mighty dragons roamed the land. Now we are bereft of such wonders.>Holy shit we need to get rid of these fucking dragons
>>97769036Genghis Khan was 100% batshit, but going hard against those that kill messengers, especially unproked killing of messengers on a goodwill mission from one leader to another, is not uncommon at all. Pretty much EVERY ancient society even very crude ones, didn't do that shit. Genghis Khan absolutely went too hard, it was more about sending a message to every other power on the planet at that point.
>>97768996Earthdawn did it better than the fat fuck
>>97769036>see you were mean to me and didn't trust methe Khwarazmian Empire, the people in question, werent just meanthey executed an entire trade caravan on accusations of espionagegengis khan tried to be reasonable and sent envoys to clear things up, just punish the guy who ordered the execution of the merchants and then fair can be fairthe Khwarazmians instead of doing that, or even just politely declining, decided to execute the envoys and then send back the sole survivor mutilatedfrom gengis khans point of view, these guys werent just murderers, they also didnt respect diplomacyfor as much as you can his response an overreaction, he was still dealing with a kingdom that will kill your merchants on trumped up charges and then murder your ambassadors afterreputation is everything in a pre-telephone world, and the mongols saw a bunch of assholes who wont respect diplomacy
>>97769045I'm partial to:>Once, fucking dragons roamed the land. Now we are bereft of such horrors.
>>97767259... yes?What point are you trying to make?
>>97767291>>97767326This is your brain on zero-sum gamesThen fags like you always wonder how could they lose everything in the end.
>>97769023Holy based
>>97768964>Elves are dying out because it takes hundreds of years to raise an elf to adulthoodNo, that's just nonsensenot a single setting is like that.No, D&D doesn't do it like that either, they grow normally until 18, then stagnate, and are only "considered" adults at 100, but they can still fight and hunt and farm just fine.Lotr isn't like thatwarhammer isn't like thatwarcraft isn't like that
>>97768856kino. big fan of ancestral blood memories.
>>97769045That's a very reductive point of view to the extend that it's severely flawed.For example, a work can be fantasy even without dragons ever having existed in it at all.
>>97767243It's this. Lots of fantasy hinges on humans being on the rise/becoming the most important, and everything else that's cool is just there to be a backdrop you will never interact with because the glory days are over.
>>97767259By the time of 8th edition WhFB the Dwarfs had begun to turn things around and becoming more proactive under High King Thorgrim Grudgebearer. Then End Times fucked everything.Idk what AoS is up to.40k is this >>97767264
>>97768856>shared experiences of our ancestors interacting with the Neanderthals.Nope. Besides neands were short
>>97769045>Once, mighty magicians roamed the land. Now we are bereft of such wonders. >Holy shit we need to get rid of these fucking wizards
why does the effeminate lizardman has such thick, gropable thighs?
>>97783135Because he puts in the work.
>>97770781He meant fantasy battles
