He did nothing wrong.Everything that he ever did was for humanity
>>97777202>Everything that he ever did was for humanityjust because you slap on "I did it for a good reason" doesnt magically excuse you from wrong doing
>>97777212Yes it does
>>97777202That's my Emperor right there. I would die for that beautiful man
>>97777202I agree. He got dragged down by his lessers.
He was a gay retard and I'm glad he's dead.
>Everything that he ever did was for humanityWho are the main contributors to chaos' success.
>>97777202Post models.
>Getting this fucking excited about an advert for toys.
>hands over Chaos their army, letting them finally act in realspace as an organized force>creates a gigantic warp rift below Terra with his retarded project>sabotages humanity's technological growth by chaining them to the absolute fucking cancer that is the Mechanicus>kills humans who had absolutely no intention to ever harm him (such as the Diasporex) in droves>leaves several planets in the hands of utter psychopaths like Konrad Curze and Perturabo>goes on to die like a retard and his institutions all go down the shitter basically instantlywhy does anyone shill this moron again?
But guys the evil black library libtards ruined him!!!! Just ignore the possible quadrillions he killed
>>97777202You people are just commies with a golden paint job. You endlessly fawn over an “enlightened atheist” figure who was supposedly working for some materialist utopia, only for it all to fall apart in an utterly predictable manner, and all you can do is deflect and blame everyone else.
>>97778465beats never trying anything
>>97778476there are things that exist between doing nothing and a psychotic tyrant's ego trips
>>97778498not really
>>97777202He did many things that were wrong but his treatment of his genetically engineered posthuman generals as tools of war was not one of them. SMfags need to remember they're supposed to be hideously inhuman weapons not noble heroes.
>>97778658If you let your sword rust, it will break when you need it, and the fault will not be with the weapon.
>>97777202How does that directly affect the actual gameplay?
>>97778476Sticking to what works is always better than following delusion.
>>97778750what they had before he started wasn't working though
>>97778759It literally was, humanity was recovering. Civilizations were springing all over the galaxy and they were literally just fine until the Imperium attacked them.
>>97778774no it wasn't, they were weak and shit
>>97778780They were literally holding off the orks and deldar and any neighboring threats. If it wasn't for the retarded demigod and his killsquads they would have never died.
>>97778803>died to a weaker faction>but they could have totally defended themselves against stronger factions!lol
>>97778774The Imperium barely won against the Rangda and Ullanor Orks and that was with the Emperor and his sons. Also when people mean humanity was doomed to extinction its better to think of it like how the Eldar are a dying race rather than humanity being a few centuries off from complete annihilation without the Emperor.
>>97778821The Imperium literally is the strongest faction in the galaxy.
>>97778829not until it assimilated all the shitters
>>97778841It already was the strongest faction in the galaxy because it had the Emperor. If the Emperor had sided with literally any other faction? They would get the same results if not better.
>>97778849turns out you were 70 iq all alongconversation over
And where did that get them? It got them the Imperium of today. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
>>97778852If I gave literally any human remnant an nigh unkillable psychic juggernaut capable of annihilating armies on his own who reenables FTL empirewide and comes with several hundred STC's worth of knowledge, pretty sure they get much further, yes.
>>97778827“Barely won?” Nigga they didn’t even lose a single primarch, it was a fucking curbstomp.
>>97778443He killed ZILLIONS, it was real in my mind
>>97777212>just because you slap on "I did it for a good reason" doesnt magically excuse you from wrong doingGood and bad are just meaningless words that change according to the era and the culture of society.
>>97780175Okay so if he didn't do anything wrong because good and bad are meaningless he didn't do anything good either and there was no difference between him and the Interex or the Orks or whatever so this entire conversation is over. Thank you.
>>97778904Unless of course the theory about one of the missing primarchs died in the Rangdan Xenocides is true. I kinda hope it is just so that you can say one of the Primarchs died to Xenos. (Vulkan doesn't count)
>>97780966They probably wouldn’t have censored the very memory of two primarchs just for dying. Most likely the primarchs were the only two to defy the emperor up to that point (since all 20 primarchs agreeing to follow the tyrannical dickhead with no issues before Chaos intervened seems fairly unlikely)
>>97778658His failure to ensure that his posthuman generals were actually behaving as inhuman weapons after they spent decades being treated as people by their various adoptive families means it's still his fault.
>>97781079Given how they were based on the roman legions lost in the teutoberg forest (which were condemned to damnatio memoriae for their failure irl) its not that implausible that one of them got censored for dying to a Xeno.
>>97780237But Big E is the supreme lord of humanity, so he defines what is good and bad, so he did everything right.
>>97777202Yes and that's why 40k is a childish setting The point that Frank Herbert tried to make is completely lost here.
>>97777202>Turknoid>not taking responsibility for his mistakes and whitewashing his evil deedsTypical T*rk
>>97782806Been a while since I've read the books but wasn't pangalactic genocie Leto II's idea?
>>97782357No he isn't. He's not real. The human who can define if his actions are good or bad is me
>>97782357>is supposed to be an atheist >follows a "god" like a typical believer
>>97782881Just took a random picture I had
He tolerated xenos and squats.
>>97777202He is still a massive retard.
>>97777212THE ENDS JUSTIFY THE MEANS
>>97783405I am Hanhardt Underholme
>>97777212He gambled and lost but that doesn't mean he did anything wrong.
>>97783405Ragkarl Beardbeard
>>97783405Raghelm Hammerbattle. The dwarfiest of dwarf names.
>>97782898>He's not realSo he didn't do anything wrong, because he is incapable of doing anything wrong.
>>97783405Bolin Runesmith
>>97783405Hagin Spikesmith
>>97777202All gods are fascist bastards
>>97782881Leto was trying to basically traumatize the entire human race into never, ever wanting to have a monolithic government again. The Golden Path is basically a very long-con to ensure humanity survives by spreading out and diversifying, so that no single catastrophe could wipe us out. Which, in most respects, is the opposite of what Big E does.
>>97777212When it's against Xenos and Chaos, it absolutely applies.
>>97784157He gambled, but the game was rigged from the start. He did fucking amazing considering he knew there was narrow odds of him winning even with the Chaos Gods cheating him out of his win
>>97785277No, it does not, especially not when you fucking fail to defeat either of them.
>>97777202>did nothing wrong Good intentions don't justify mistakes, and just like Magnus, he did a lot, which lead to an infine amount of suffering
>>97777202I like to think The Last Church is Canon, since it means the Emperor gets to seethe for eternity bolted to a cuckchair watching problem after problem matastacize all of which could have been EASILY avoided if he had just not been such a cunt to Lorgar.Literally every single thing wrong with the Imperium right now would be a non-issue if they had gotten ahead of the problem by letting Lorgar establish the Cult of the Emperor and run it from the get go.
>>97777202He is the greatest champion/tool of Chaos.Probably did the most to make sure Chaos stick around in the galaxy no matter what and was humble enough to try and not get his reward from big four for doing all he did.
>>97785047Fascism is younger than the machinegun. The human concept of divinity predates the written word. As based as it would be, I think it's a bit of a stretch to suggest that Marduk was planning on opening a Futurist resteraunt when he was slaying Tiamat. He probably never even read Gentile.
>has to carry the loyalists while the Emperor dicks around on Terra
>>97777202Everything he did, he did for his specific idea of humanity. Not for the reality of humanity. That's why the Imperium decayed.
>>97782881No, Paul starts the Jihad and Leto continued to rule with an iron fist afterwards.
>>9778096611th died in the Xenocides. 2nd was involved, and it (probably) had something to do with his obsession with Necrons.
>>97784928Exactly, and he didn't do anything right either. So clearly there is no difference between him and any other faction.
>>97783405Bomhardt Hillsmith
>>97777202He never gave a fuck about humanity, else he wouldn't have coddled it so
>>97783405Reinkarl Goldbattle
>>97786636>poor people exist>AAAAAAAA I AM GOING INSANEEEEE SAVE ME HORUSCant think of a lower IQ primarch
>>97786649>Cant thinkYou got that part right, good for you
>>97786649>lower IQ primarchAngron
>>97783405Durfan HillhelmThey have wronged us!
>>97778658honestly people over estimate how badly Big E actually treated them, only a select few such as Magnus, Lorgar, and Angron got the short end of the stick, and even then for Magnus and Lorgar it was because of their own retardation, only Angron got really fucked over, and even then he was also a shit father since he demand his sons to install a device he knew would turn them into literal raging retards
>>97791915>since he demand his sons to install a device he knew would turn them into literal raging retardsI thought he was indifferent to that, they did it to themselves because they assumed he would better accept them. Didn't work, of course, but he didn't give enough of a shit to stop them regardless.
>>97784157A lot of shit would've gone better if just wasn't a dogshit dad.
>>97782806Leto IIStrategic and Tactical victories. All goals achievedSheev Tactical victory (old Republic and old Jedi order are gone for good) and Strategic defeatBig Ecomplete jobber
>>97777202Anon, please report to your nearest re-education center anybody who even suggest he could ahve done anything wrong. Do you duty, citizen. Don't let the taint of independent thought poison your mind.
>>97791915Magnus got to hang out with the Emperor in the Warp and constantly talked with him telepathically. Of all the Primarchs, Magnus probably spoke with the Emperor the most, albeit not in person (that would be Horus).>>97791932Angron made them do it as part of a deal, he'd actually make an effort to lead his legion and they'd all take the Nails.
>>97777212It doesn’t excuse him from doing it wrong either.Call me a heretic but Empy was kind of a dipshit.
>>97799619"the ends justify the means" applies only if you actually achieve these ends
