Thallax editionPrevious Heresy: >>97766508>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>Titanicus Compendiumshttps://gofile.io/d/qdYzem>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Legions Imperialis Army Builderhttps://legionbuilder.app/>Thread Question:Would you like it if 30k and 40k got more cross compatibility between ranges?
>>97786564>TQIf it existed in 30k, it should exist in 30k. I'm tired of being told how X used Y, but we can't have it because the ranges have to be kept separate.
>>97786537>jump pack command squad with disintegrator riflesOh already have one of those planned, gonna deep-strike them turn one with a master of descent. Horrible over-costed for what it does probably, but it sounds like a fun unit to use.
>>97786564>Would you like it if 30k and 40k got more cross compatibility between ranges?yes. Although with the w40k DA line the cross over in to HH is easy. I just wish the HH vehicles and terminators were the proper size to use in w40k too.
How come Terminators don't get back banners? They're kino as hell.
Whoever made this edit, I owe you one.
>>97786656Terminator command squads do. Legion banner is a good excuse for one.
>>97786564There should be as much cross compatibility as possible so I can play my army in whatever system is the least bad at any given time. Yes that means I need tyranid rules for AoS and TOW.
I wish GW wasn't so retarded all the time.
>>97786564>TQNot without complications of course, but yes in general, as it makes for higher confidence in given models.
>>97786564>TQNo. Because I am spiteful, and don't want 40k player to have anything cool from 30k.
>>97786713BASED
>>97786670Unreal that some people actually like these enough to buy themGW can truly do whatever they want.
>>97786721It was over from the start, people even bought those retarded dildo jetbikes as soon as FW shat them out.
>>97786713This but unironically. The sissy Admech players who whined that they don't have rules for 30k automata specifically deserve to suffer because one buy at my FLGS was acting like a faggot about it last year.
>>97786713>mfw cuckstodes box that was bought out by 40k crowd goes to legends in 11th edition
You know, considering the fact he pops up in literally every single Iron Hands story set either before or during Isstvan and is a very important character in relation to Ferrus, it's weird Gabriel Santar has never got a model/profile in the game.
>>97787071Unless Bligh personally liked the character or if they're some BL writer's self insert, named characters don't get rules nor models.
>>97787162>named characters don't get rules nor models.Hibou.
>>97787192Obvious self-insert OC
>>97787192Hibou shows up in the books and is a major player technically the issue is he gets a spot over Shiban however I think it’s because they wanted to give Sagyar Mazan their leader
>>97787232Not really he kinda gets his shit kicked in for trying to side with Horus but soon realized how badly the traitors were turning when he had to lead the Sagyar he then sort of becomes a pseudo shattered legion character as he shows up to give Lil Horus a shave
>>97787192Hibous insane clown posse art is the most iconic book cover of the heresy series
>>97786662God forbid a Thunder Warrior have a lil motion
>>97787233Hot take: if the character's only thing of note is being an exemplar of their legion, they shouldn't get rules or models and be left to converted as players see fit as a praetor for their force. Yes, that includes guys like Lucius or Ahriman, they don't need special rules when it's just an excuse to lock playstyles behind them that really should just be generic options. Typhus and Sevatar at least have their unique psychic stuff, but if your special rules were just a warlord trait and "I can't die because I exist in 30k" then you don't deserve rules. I'm glad 3rd has at least downgraded special characters to just rando praetor sidegrades instead of no brainers in most cases, I just wish they could have purged the roster more deeply in that case and given us more shit we actually wanted like tank commanders and options for consuls.
>>97787262>Hibous insane clown posse art is the most iconic book cover of the heresy seriesRofl
>>97786564>TQI'm vaguely conficted in that I like that militia is getting all that's it's getting but I fucking despise 40k players so much to the point that I don't consider them human and hope they suffer, so obviously I don't want them in 30k and cross compatibility is a big thing about that. We get the cool shit, they don't. Ask yourself this, do you want /hhg/ to be as shit as /40kg/? Do you seriously need those subhumans in here?
>>97787392I mean it’s iconic to me
>>97786564>Would you like it if 30k and 40k got more cross compatibility between ranges?No. Have no interest in playing 40k at all, and don't see GW doing anything to change that. And most new 40k models are hideous anyway, keep that shit out of HH please.Most things in 30k should not be available in 40k, lots of it is suppose to be lost tech after all. The only exception should be daemons, but GW is busy squatting chaos daemons so they won't be a thing for much longer.
>>97787541>The only exception should be daemonsI like the FW-era ruinstorm list, it was way cooler than its 40k counterpart. A shame that like all other lists it just lost pieces every editions we got.
>>97786760>one buy at my FLGS was acting like a faggot about it last year.How? What was he doing?It'd be nice if everyone had almost everything: AdMech with Relic Automata, Mechanicus with Kataphrons and actual SkitariiLegions with Razorbacks, and Chapters with...I think Chapters do have stuff? Relic Contemptors are right there.
Miltia guy from yesterday:>opponent did not bring his usual Aux force but a WB saturnine force with skitarrii allies>it was not as lopsided as it may seem, as me bringing close to 120 total infantry models was a significant speedbump>I don't recommend doing that btw>most of my army fought (and died to) a Saturnine Dread guarding a bridge, but after brutal, epic conflict, my Force Commander(!) killed it in melee (!)>meanwhile, opponent's Spartan dumped out the Saturnine Praetor and his 4-man Saturnine retinue . . . Who spent the rest of the 2 turns we played pinned thanks to militia longrifles>unfortunately, I had no answer to Phraetus dropping in to rape my backline>Kracnos was also terrifying and pinned a despoiler squad with champ for 2 turnsCalled it bottom of t3, but it was close and tense. IW inductii with a jump pack centurion are no joke.
>>97787071Rip Castrmen Orth. He got forgotten so hard the office of Tank Commander itself got deleted
>>97787564It was almost literally stated that the current ruinstorm daemon rules are a bare bones placeholder when it was put out, and it was actually stated that more daemon rules were already being planned for journals.
>>97787577>>most of my army fought (and died to) a Saturnine Dread guarding a bridge, but after brutal, epic conflict, my Force Commander(!) killed it in melee (!):O! I'm not sure dreads can be attacked by detonation grenades anymore. Your plan was to stall it with bodies!>IW inductii with a jump pack centurion are no joke.I maintain Tacticals > Despoilers without power weapons, and Tac Inductii can be > Despoilers through the special weapons they do get access to. IW Inductii are actually sort of middle of the road at assaulting the foe compared to other Inductii, namely DG, UM and AL Inductii (dual flamers)
>>97787606Having a placeholder is better than having nothing...but still can't shake the feeling you're playing with half the options you should be.
>>97787606In 1.0 they have a list of mutations which isn't too different from the current way armies in 3.0 buy their options, that's what I was talking about. At least 2.0 gave them more dominions but meh, losing that list removed every options save their LA(x) equivalent. They literally went "this is the ranged option and this is the melee option, both suck ass" and flipping through the 3.0 pdf it seems they removed the former.
>>97787572>Legions with RazorbacksBack to 40k you go kid
>>97787071I'd take 'em, if only because the Iron Hands really need some love.
>>97787577Always good to hear about militia putting up an actual fight.
>>97787688Hey, i'm asking for Razorbacks. Some people here are asking for transport capacity on sponsonless Predators. It's a compromise.Though both the Predator Annihilator and Razorback were discovered on M36, and the Annihilator has since been approved for 30k, so, I'd say it'd be alright.Maybe that could be the Command Rhino, night useless as it currently is lol
>>97786564>warsmith>centurion x2>18 tactical troops with bolters>rhino x2>land raider>6 iron havocs/heavy support x2 with autocannon and lascannon>6 tactical veterans (or heavy support with missile launcher)>leviathan ranged>contemptor >10 tyrant siege terminatorsthoughts on where to go and which vehicles/artillery any self-respecting iron warrior should be able to field?
>>97787759>self-respecting iron warrior>zero artilleryDecimate thyself.
>>97787688I don't get why 40k players keep wanting them in HH where they make no sense in-setting. >>97787757Book 1 didn't have annihilators but had other anti tank preds guns filling in the same role (granted 1.0 also had some 40k only things too), 2.0 having one along with other 40k only things was seen in /hhg/ as GW preparing to have a system for 40k players to fall on when inevitably they squat those 40k non-primaris marine things like they did with the boxnoughts. Those preds at least already existed in fluff and can bring heavier guns but it's not like if those got a journal you couldn't use them for running the fluff breaking razorbacks.
>>97787757Those people are wrong. People who field predator annihilator in 30k should be shot on sight. If you're that desperate for those things go play 40k and leave HH the fuck alone, thanks.
>>97787779hence my question, don't be a wise-ass
>>97787757Didn't the Solar Auxilia make a similar retcon with fielding lascannon Leman Russ tanks, when the officer who introduced them in 40k out of desperation got executed for it?
>>97787869Quad mortar rapiers are very versatile, and in plastic now too if you can't handle resin.Scorpius is decent in combination with a siege breaker so it can remain stationary.Arquitor with graviton-charge cannon will lock infantry in place with pinning 3, and probably kill some too with str 9 ap 3 dmg 2.Saturnine dread with two plasma bombard does good damage, is hard to kill, and doesn't need siege breaker support to shoot without LOS.Upcoming whirlwind can have long range barrage with Panic 1.
If we're being honest, 30k equipment options need to be way more expansive compared to even 1.0, because this is the era where invention is completely OK apparently so there's no reason you can't have a dreadhammer and vindicator siege cannon sponsons on a spartan, or a contemptor dreadnought with disintegrators, or yes twin lascannons in a predator turret. We need older edition 40k style equipment lists or the VDR where nearly everyone can take from anything.
>>97787970>invention is completely OK apparentlyIt wasn't. Maybe read some of the lore before posting next time.
No, but what actually are Charonite Ogryns? Are they servitors? enlisted solar auxilia? Vat grown? Who convinced them to get their hands chopped off?
>>97788037A daot weapon that's an half ogryn half machine thing hopped up on drugs. They are eversor ogryns essentially which iirc aren't even exclusively used by SA but also by some other void-faring strands of humanity but legally speaking only the SA are allowed to use them. Last time I checked their resin models are also as tall as primarchs.
>>97788037>Who convinced them>convincedYou use that word like they had any say in the matter. Lmao.They are biochemically and cybernetically altered with ancient tech, possible of xenos origin. This is to ensure they blindly follow orders, but at the touch of a button become savage near-unstoppable berserkers.
>>97787970I'd love a build-your-own-vehicle unit for militia.
>>97786721Go back to facebook to bitch with all the other poorfags, faggot
Plastic HH models were a mistake.
>>97788121And you niggas say we are better than /40kg/ it’s just the usual general schizos and shitters
>>97788128At least people here aren't constantly talking about trannies, or whatever off-topic subject is currently trending over there.
>>97788213You weren't here 3 days ago then.
>>97787830>>97787849But the Imperial Armour, highest fluff of all, says an investigation triggered by Space Wolves arming their predators with twin Lascannons in M36 revealed that Predators were always able to do that, designed that way in the first place.I do not know where the fluff that says the STC for Razorbacks was also discovered in M36. I wonder what's the source, maybe a codex?
>>97787849meanwhile russ annihilators are fully kosher
>>97787999The Sicaran is literally a new development, it wasn't rediscovered from somewhere like Rhino chassis were
>>97788567>Russes with two Lascannons on the TurretYeah>Russes with two Lascannons as sponsonsNo no no! Illegal! Illegal! Save me, Fabricator General aaaaaaaah!!
>>97788539That has always sounded like the admech were trying to cover their ass once the pattern was discovered to not interfere with the pred machine spirit. As for the stc part it's also in one of the IA books, if you give me a sec I'll pull it up.
>>97787849Where are my Predators with transport capacity Alan?
>>97788643I could believe that, it's in line with what they'd do. But I choose to think otherwise because I've seen what Blood Angels and Black Templars do to their own vehicles. Mounting a Lascannon on a Predator is far less complicated than mounting a heavy Conversion Beamer or Plasma Executioner or Melta whatever.It really doesn't feel like that big of a deal.
>>97787071Sure, whatever. Make 'em a model. If fucking Lucius and Hibou can get models, anyone can.
>>97788567Nta but not really, SA getting them made no sense either from both fluff and crunch. It's one of the early signs of where HH was heading towards. For 5 more points you can get a battlecannon or a vanquisher, a twin-linked lascannon won't do shit and SA russes don't get sponsons so it's not like you could do 2 lascannons plus a TL to kinda give it enough punch. From the fluff perspective ignoring the fact that it's meant to be a krieg invention, the SA are supposed to be one of the best equipped, if not the best, sections of the imperial army, giving a damaged tank a TL lascannon instead of just sending it to second/third line units and getting another one with useful guns is pretty out of character. Imo it's because FW was starting to pull out of 40k so some units that had their own statsheets were given a lifeline if they weren't too fluff-breaking. Alas do what you want, if you want to run them do it.
>>97788664Alright, so it is from an Imperial Army (book) nice. Merkava Predators lol.Unironically I think that, should players need to pick between sponson and 6 transport cap, they'd choose the sponsons.Like imagine halving your firepower for a handful of Vets
>>97788664>Predator Transport>swap sponsons for Rhino sides>fits 6 passengersBasically 40k Razorback, just not available as a DT.>Early Crusade Predator>swap sponsons for Vindicator sides>no passenger capacity but turret gun receives +1 FPFill the passenger compartment with extra ammo.>inb4 "why don't regular predator get the same bonus"Because they use that extra storage for sponson ammo.
>>97788763>the SA are supposed to be one of the best equipped, if not the best, sections of the imperial armyAnd yet their tanks don't get sponsons like everyone else's does. Booo
>>97788789What is "Vindicator sides"? Nothing can mount Demolishers as sponsons they're too big lol. You'd need a Spartan-class hull (Typhon) to mount a laser destroyer, but at least that would be possible. On big enough tanks.>Why no bonus?I would have two kinds of Vindicator chassis:1. Normal 30k Vindicator (M10")2. Vindicator with 40k Siege Shield (M8" Auto Repair 5+).
>>97788867If you don't know, Deimos Rhino hulls come with the center missing and the various vehicles using the chassis come with parts to fill this slot with appropriate pieces. Rhino comes with the round door hole and doors for it. Predator comes with sponson mounts. Vindicator has flat sides with no doors or sponson mounts. You can build a Deimos Predator and swap the side parts with the sponson mounts with those of a Rhino (for side doors) or Vindicator (flat sides, no doors nor sponsons).
>>97788772>Unironically I think that, should players need to pick between sponson and 6 transport cap, they'd choose the sponsons.Unironically, I'd take the option to go without sponsons for no transport capacity. I just think the Predator looks fine without them and I'll choose the option over being forced to take them. Considering some sponsons don't always mesh 100% with the main gun, having the option to save a few points and just having the turret gun feels appropriate.
>>97788738I know but to me the question is why? It's a rhino which sacrifices half of its capacity for not that much firepower, like I could get it if they did it for something like the pred main guns or if it at least kept the capacity but a TL hbolter, TL lascannon or a multi melta? Hell the basic rhino can already carry the melta without resorting to halving its capacity. 5 men squads need more punch to justify it in the 20 men squad setting.
>>97788213We’re above 40k, so instead of trannies, we discuss our love for men instead.
>>97788539Here it is, IA 2 page 49.
>>97789039Nta but same. I'm probably gonna print a few for a ligma scale recon company.
>>97788539We wuz enjinirs 'n shieeet.
>>97788867Vindis have uparmoured sides without the doors.
>>97789235Trying Too Hard
>>97788789The 30k vindicators/preds/rhinos are all different except for 1 sprue (2 if you count the standard vehicle sprue). They're not like 40k vindicators/preds/rhinos.
>>97789039>some sponsons don't always mesh 100% with the main gunThen I give you more sponson options. Conversion Beamer sponsons and all that, but only when it matches the main gun
>>97788539It's originally WD#174, the fragment being reprinted in later editions. Though I'm not sure if it should be taken at a face value since back then the razorback was only the unique las-plas variant. I doubt it applies to the turret from Land Raider (GW) or Tarantula (FW) variants.
>>97789302Oooooh that. Yeah no-sponson no-doors sides. So, swap sponsons out for AV13 sides 0.0
>>97787071He died to Literalus Whovio of the IIIIIth Millennial on Stevie V. There were tactical squads killed on Stevie V more deserving of rules.
>>97787267>have a lil motionPush a mess?
>>97788772It's from the original rules for Predators, way back in 1988. That was shitcanned before the end of the edition because vehicles were impossibly tough to deal with and nobody gave a shit about transcap when you had twin lascannons on offer.A few years later they tried again, calling it the razorback and deliberately giving it a weird turret (lascannon and 2 plasma guns) and no sponson options. That's kind of stuck (though the las-plas is long gone, I think even FW stopped making their version years before the plastic razorback was a thing).
>>97789745Trying Too Hard and/or (You)
>>97787071>You know, considering the fact he pops up in literally every single Iron Hands story set either before or during Isstvan and is a very important character in relation to Ferrus, it's weird Gabriel Santar has never got a model/profile in the game.Ferrus should not have a model. He died before the war even really started, killed some EC so never fought 17 of the 18 legions involved in the Heresy and makes no sense to have on the table. That's my hill and by fuck I will die proudly on it!
>>97787071He would just be an Iron Father with Lighting Claws.
Hanging a Luna Wolves helmet off of a SoH Chieftain shield - what kind of white do I want? Warm, cool, greyish?
>>97789919>Equerry to the Primarch>First Captain of the Legion>Jago has unique profile>Abaddaon has unique profile>Sigismund has unique profile>Nah, just use a random goyim to represent Santar! ???
Hey ligma bros, how do you paint your infantry? If I glue them to something you get the marks that need filing which can ruin the mini. Is tack the answer? Used it previously but it's a bit frustrating.
>>97789947They will now say "hurr durr Abaddaon/Jago/Sigismund shouldn't have a model lol" or some shit.
>>97787071I would rather Autek Mor get a model and his old 1.0 rules again.
>>97790012This is also acceptable.
If your legion didn't get it's praetor models before 2018, then your fanbase just lacks the divine soul necessary to be catered to, it's not your fault, your faction is just shit.
>>97789866OK but Literalus Whovio also has to have rules in that case.
>>97789775That's wrong.Predators were introduced in 1989.Original Predators were single profile: turret autocannons, sponson lascannons, pintle bolter AND extra 5 transport capacity and RT flair (such as power field).>>97789947>goyim >>>/pol/
>>97790117>>97789866
>>97790130:O !!!This is how those techpriests must've felt when researching Predators Annihilator. This just proves Predators were always designed with a transport capacity in the first place!
>>97790170RT lore doesn't mean it's still a thing. Otherwise female marines are also canon.
>>97790182>Otherwise female marines are also canon.HHHHHIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!
>>97789964Line em up like this.
>>97790182>>97790194There are no fem marine, they were always sister.
>>97790210Well yeah, if the males are Battle Brother, the females are Battle Sister, right? :^)
Two titans met, as it was written.Thanks again for matching up, man, this was just great.
>>97789152not that anon but I want razorbacks because I have an assault cannon fetish but don't want to be a pissbaby or fag
>>97790195Hmm, and getting rid of the stump doesn't damage the mini? I'm really afraid of touching the minis since even with varnish the paint can rub off.
>>97787577Kino
>>97790182Yeah but it could be>Predators with SponsonsAV12 sides, and Predators can be equipped with sponson: Conversion Beamer / Multimelta / Plasma cannon>Predators with Transport capacityNo sponsons, gain Transport capacity of 6 but the sides become AV11 due to the doors>Predators Without sponsonsNo sponsons, but solid sides become AV13
>>97790244>I have an assault cannon fetish but don't want to be a pissbaby or fagDark Angels have assault cannons??
>>97790274Terrible. Never work on the rules for any game.
>>97790219no, they were released separately as part of the Adventurers group of models, this was when 40k was still an RPG skirmish game and anybody could get power armour
>>97790132why shouldn't Literalus Whovio have rules anon? he's just as important to the Iron Hands as the first captain he takes down like the poor little white girl at her first gangbang (this is a literal quote from Fulgrim Enhanced Edition)
>>97790372>this was when 40k was still an RPG skirmish game and anybody could get power armourSooo never?
>>97790387you really never read RT? at all? you fucking child
>>97790391PSST!Capital letters exist, use them.
>>97790282You are being too specific. I require you to be more vague
>>97790372He's clearly a retard but he might mean that female space marine chapter that was in unofficial homebrew adventure in Challenge magazine that people think is from RT or WD. Burgermericans really do be wanting female space marines for fetish reasons (it was fetish reasons for sure for the Challenge adventure) as early as 1988
Another successful day of Titanicus
>>97790657Vs Vultrum Anon; Stripes wanders too far out with no cover and is shot apart. Rock 'em Sock 'em Reaver would clash with Vultrum's double melee reaver, and Laserbeak would advance along the pavement
>>97790671Bit Xestobiax would complete its objectives and defeat a warlord and reaver while Jim made an absurd number of shield saves
>>97790687By pushing back their opponent Xestobiax secures their escape route into the cover of a hive city
>>97790694Where they are attacked by Audax and Mortis!
Give me reasons not to go Cyclothrathe
>>97790700The dogs start gunning for Laserbeak.That neutron laser would fire five times during the game but only get one shock pulse off. Thanks to blind barrage the ursus claws did not get a chance to participate.
>>97790708I threw everything I could at the three warhounds and I strongly suspect my opponent did not read the FAQ about sharing shields because their reactors and shields should have burnt out a lot faster than they did.
>>97790258time to invest in better tool, or just find a machinist who know how to sharpen a nipper.
>>97786564>TQTOURISTS GET OUT REEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>97790724Laserbeak would take a gross punishing, but eventually Blastermaster would destroy one of the warhounds, another would magazine detonation Laserbeak whose explosion would kill the double plasma warhound who would fall and destroy the last warhound there.
>>97790687Be real how do you guys pronounce "Xestobiax"? I say Chestobeeacks ;__;
>>97790737And Rock 'em Sock 'em took fice turns to get into melee and did nothing.Legend
>>97790740"zest-oh-bee-axe"
>>97786605I too am tired of the voices in your head
>>97790279there are many types of fags and not all of them involve sucking and fucking cock
>>97790745censor this!I don't need titans making out on my blue board
>>97790219>the females are Battle Sister, right? :^)Yes, you're a genius.
>>97790740>>97790769Zes-toe-be-axe
>>97786564yes, range segregation is retarded and so are the clowns defending it
>>97790930t. Thousand Goats player
>>97790953they may well be the thousand clowns, but they are my thousand clowns
>>97789444Yes, they are different, but they all share the same basic sprues (just like how Spartan and Proteus do), each just comes with a sprue that gits them with the appropriated sides, top and glacis. As all the sides are designed to work with the same Rhino chassis (see >>97788958), nothing stops one from swapping them around.
>>97789235I swear back when apocalypse came out there was an article in white dwarf or somewhere that showed a "tech priest leman russ" where someone had added a big fuck off servo-arm to its back end. Back then I bought like every single leman russ upgrade kit FW had and like three of the leman russ 10 packs they sold and built two tech priest russes for my armored company because of the pic. Ive been searching trying to find the original pic that gave me the idea and have had NO luck....
>>97791125Would it have been a UK or some other regional issue of WD? They sometimes have their own articles showcasing cool conversions. Like Skitarii vs. Tyranids battle report/conversion guide in an Australian issue of WD.
>>97791161I dont know, im in america so it would have prob been our mag. Ive done a bunch of google searches and never been able to find it, that pic he posted just reminded me of it. I have so many LRs in storage right now, one of these days ill get around to finishing building them and then painting them. Cant wait to see them all lined up parade style one day....
Fires of whatever that was.. Heresy stuff should be available in 40k to some degree and not the other way (they could really use not utterly dogshit models, especially admech).>>97790787In yoooouuuuur heaaaaaadIn yooooooouuuuuurrrr heaaaaaaaaaad...
Finally being an arty little calligraphy twink as a teenager is paying off.I just need to emfancy my versals and practice the script more then I can finally put it on my titan banner hopefully without choking and fucking it all up like when I attempt freehand painting. For any calligraphally interested anons that's English Secretary Hand and I plan to use Insular Pointed Unical as an espy of crabbed proto gothic script.
>>97791170Had a quick browse at late 2007 WDs (around the time of Apocalypse launch) and went down a rabbit hole trying to understand these Baneblade sponsons. On the kit that GW sells and one that I bought relatively soon after it was released, the sponson guns had "pre-drilled" holes due to the mould being in more than two pieces. On the painted example you can see the holes are quite big due to this. In contrast, on the Shadowsword's hull bolters the holes have to be drilled, which is why the holes are smaller. So why do the assembly images from the White Dwarf look like the sponson bolters have drilled holes rather than ones moulded into the guns? Was there a prototype sprue without the moulded barrel holes that predated the production model with the moulded barrel holes?It's the mysterious 5e Russ plasma sponsons all over again...
>>97791304>Was there a prototype sprue without the moulded barrel holes that predated the production model with the moulded barrel holes?If there was a prototype, it'd be a 3d print (yes, they had those back then), HIPS molds aren't a thing you get a second try at
>>97791240Aye cool letters>Leaena DefoxWhat kind of Lernaean terminators are that
>>97791125Not a Leman Russ, but from UK WD #353. Maybe the same dude (Chad Mierzwa) made your illusive Leman Russ?
>>97791323>If there was a prototype, it'd be a 3d print (yes, they had those back then)You can see mould lines on the parts and we can see a pile of sprues before the assembly begins, so that's some dedication for the sake of making the 3D prints look legit for a simple article.>HIPS molds aren't a thing you get a second try atSure, but you can always just make a new mould.
>>97791331That's a wonky V I fucked up.. Really it would have been better aesthetically if it was Delox since a D has loads of negative space inside the Versal to draw cool stuff like a faction sigil that you can't do with L or V. I guess in future when I name engines I'll be D, O, U and P maxxing.
>>97790657Holy shit a giant space marine
>>97791593>the MAXIMUS TACTICAL DREADNOUGHT ARMOR, now the size of an imperial knight and invented by the Emperor during the dark age of technology, and it's always been there because we said so
>>97791593The size creep of SM dreadnoughts is getting out of hand.
>>97791593Truescale's getting out of hand!
>>97790234God bless lazerbeak, great game dude
capitol imperialis sized supertank when james
>>97791980The blessed Oger. A light tank of the golden age era. Very nice.
>>97791995these things have ruined meabsolutely incredible visions of apex hyperwardefinitely gonna explore proonting something partial in their vein out to use as an enormous terrain piecethe coating of gimballed artillery barrel spines are just deliriously wild. kinokinokinokino......
>>97792031I'm sorry, I'm trying to understand but I don't yet get it. The multiple turrets on a Stormhammer make it look like a naval warship on land. I can see the appeal.But this Ogre tank looks kinda schizo. Like, pick a direction to delete at a time. Aiming everywhere all at once, that's kinda defensive if you ask me. Isn't that the idea behind the Malcador Defender? A sort of "assault bunker"
>>97792047>Ogre tank looks kinda schizo>Aiming everywhere all at onceyeah i'm all about 'datshit's just silly. as best i understand they're ai-governed monstrosities intended to project basically omnidirectional shootan' potentially everywhichwhere at once in lumbering forward and fucking shit up. it's just outlandish and i get an almost deep sea creature sort of impression from all the barrels reaching out and independently angled all over the placei think the archetype has pretty clear resonance with the sort of warfare 30k is getting at is all even if it's quite out-there
>>97790210What about this one?
>>97792047>naval warships don't have guns aiming everywhere all at onceAllow me to introduce you to ze French pre-dreadnoughts, hon-hon-hon.
>>97792099You think there's a reason why it's unreleased? Just because some dude working for GW made it doesn't make it canon. Otherwise this is canon female Ogryn.
Here is a little bit of wip. Despoiler sergeant, currently under the eye of the terror squads for a promotion in their ranks.
>>97792148is that a 40mm base? what's going on with that? singling out the sgt?
>>97792153Nah, this is just a base for wip. When I finish the proper base I will glue the mini on. This one is attached with an extra small ammount of super glue
>>97792201oh i seeinterdasting
In Japan at the moment. Walking past some shops and find Warhammer in one. Noticed they've got some old 30k and 40k army boxes. Managed to grab the mechanicum heavy support force. Went up stairs and see this on the 2nd floor... Errr.Mind you these are all 30% off as well. I heva no fucking clue how they ended up with so many.They also had like 6 saturnine boxes and about 40 EC 40k launch boxes.
>>97792262Why the fuck did they get so many in Japan of all places? From what I've heard the warhammer customers base is minuscule over there, since basically no one has room to play the game, and because Gundam is the established mini building brand.
>>97792262Warhammer isn't that popular in the land of the rising sun. Maybe the store's one of the main suppliers.
>>977923353rd floor had some chinks playing 40k. Could hear them speaking mandarin. Still a fucking tiny space though.They had like maybe 300 lots of the combat patrol mags as well. Just so many double ups.
>>97792119>Otherwise this is canon female Ogryn.I can accept this.
>>97792262I was unaware warhammer had any impact on the Slants in the slightest.
>>97792119>she's fuckableGW would never ever ever ever
>>97786655you can just get tortugabay terminators
>>97790130be quiet schlomo, we are all goyim now
>>97792201are you sure you will be able to break him off the base?
>>97792530It's a small amount of superglue, it's more likely to snap off by accident.
>>97792534ok good your NL looks lovely btw
>>97792546Oh I'm NTA, just also use superglue for bases.
>>97792551Ok but why glue him to a different base to begin with? >>97792148See >>97792546
>>97792481Seems to be gaining traction. They have a Warhammer cafe in Tokyo where you can buy forge world shit like titans and heresy resin.
>>97792530I am painting like this for a lot of time. Sidn't snapped by accident and it's easily detached. I am doing this because I drybrush the base and do not want to mess the mini legs. Also I am using a sponge for the blue so if the mini was already glued to a finished base I would pretty mich mess the base. So this is the best solution imo.
>>97792546Thank you anon
>>97790725can't vouch for, stan, recommend and simp godhand clippers enougheven beyond severing stuff from sprues pretty much free of blemish they're extremely powerful tools for all manner of precision and delicate stuff of any stripejust be deadly gentle with using them and they'll manage all sorts of shit without any issue, gotta let the nigh hair-fine blade do the cutting without undue pressure
>>97792893That makes sense thanks for explaining.
>>97792945>And even if I could, it'd all be grey >But your picture on my wall >It reminds me that it's not so bad, it's not so bad
>>97792991real
>>97786564Anons, I have a question. I was working out a conceptual TO&E for my Sons of Horus/Word Bearers Shattered Legion and while the SoH element usually deploys as footslogging heavy infantry (except for their Terminators), I felt they logically should have Rhinos to lift the entire force if needed.But this got me wondering...how exactly do the Legions transport Rapiers when they need to keep pace with Rhinos? Their ground speed is somehow the same as a normal Space Marine (surprisingly) so they can easily keep up on foot, but do they just assign a pair of Rhinos to each 4 gun battery and roll the Rapiers inside with the crew? Or do they have a Rhino (or something smaller like a Sabre) tow each Rapier like a field gun with an artillery tractor?While I like the latter, I'm not entirely sure it fits the Astartes, though my headcanon for the Auxilia is they use Centaurs as Rapier tractors and you will not convince me otherwise
>>97793111>I was working out a conceptual TO&E for my Sons of Horus/Word Bearers Shattered Legion
>>97793111Rapiers can be deployed in dreadclaws, land raiders, spartans, kharybdis, thunderhawks and stormbirds. I occasionally run a full rapier squad in a spartan, it's real fun.
>>97793111a pair of tow hooks are supplied on each vehicle accessory spruei think rapiers would lend themselves to being pulled along as opposed to trying to stuff them inside even a modified rear compartment of a rhino
>>97793139>I occasionally run a full rapier squad in a spartan, it's real fun.>TFW the ramp opens up and instead of a bunch of terminators it's made the Spartan go from 2 to 6 Laser Destroyers>>97793141Yeah, that's what I was thinking, presumably you could even power the rapier's own tracks while being towed like some modern towed artillery do (at least if I remember it right).Do you think they'd use Rhinos for it though? For whatever reason the idea of either a vanilla Sabre or one that's swapped the hull gun for storage space + a second second seat feels right. Maybe it's just the similarity to the Centaur (not the new one, the OG).
>>97793171i think rhinos are absolutely the go-to vehicle for dragging rapiers around as they are transporty transports as opposed to other manners of tanks which would ostensibly have frontline duties saddled onto them in their being deployed as opposed to being concerned with lugging guns forward alongside troopsfunny thing i just found, on all of the new plastic rapier variants there is an anchoring point for ostensibly, what other than tow cables present on their rear areas in various orientationsother sorts of vehicles could doubtlessly do it but i'd think they would be concerned with other stuff foremostly
>>97793183Makes sense. Plus I guess actually looking at a comparison again, Sabres aren't really all that much smaller than Rhinos.
>>97793186sabres are fucking -fast- too and i wonder how graceful actually tugging along a rapier at full speed would be to the carriage and/or equipment in questionthe rate of travel of a rhino might be more gentle
>>97793183>draggingWould imagine they're driven inside the crew compartment, rather than being pulled behind.
>>97793198there are prohibitions against loading (bulky) shit into rhinos as per the rules and i suspect the base sculpt of the interior as depicted would need its side seats removed to host one at all properlyfrankly i'm not sure if the portrayed dimensions of the rear hatch would accommodate a gun carriage to begin with but i don't think it would be unreasonable for a rhino to be built to spec otherwise to explicitly do so but that would be a pretty specialist vehicle if so
>>97793139>Troop bay ramp opens>It's just more gunTell me how it went, anon
>>97793211Such limitations exist purely to sell people the solution in the form of alternative transports. You're being played by The Man, homie! Besides, I'm just talking out of practical fluffy aspects of transporting a Rapiers, rather than tabletop rules.
>>97793239i'm all down for it, just makes sense to me that a rapier rhino might have been built with specifically that in mind, in the way of ferrying one in its asshole
>>97793234Oops all dakka.
>>97793234Very well, actually. Rapiers can't get pre-emptively nuked turn one when you don't have first turn, spartan only has to move once for the rapiers to get in effective range with LOS, and it's a lot of laser-destroyer shots.
>>97793091Based and aware.
>>97793211Tow 2 rapiers behind the Rhino.Put one rapier on top, old future Razorback style.Put one rapier on each side. They are only being carried...but they could be operated with the side doors open.Put a Rapier on the front, pusher style.1 Rhino, 6 Rapiers.
>>97793257Like, any highlights? Conceptually, Land Raiders Achilles look like battering rams to me...but Spartans have about twice their firepower, really.
>>97793299Highlights share a common theme of spartan moving out from behind terrain, the rapiers disembarking, and the two units combined blasting something into oblivion. Be it the enemy spartan, a terminator squad, dreadnought, super-heavy vehicle, or imperial knight. It's not a very subtle tactic lol.
>>97793239I forget when towing artillery went out of fashion, but embarking it was never an option back then
>>97793293>Put one rapier on top
>>97790708>Laserbeak.You better have a titan called Ravage too
Kill Psykers. Behead Psykers. Roundhouse kick a Psyker into the rockcrete. Slam dunk a baby Psyker into the trashcan. Crucify filthy Witches. Defecate in Psykers food. Launch Psykers into the sun. Shoot Sorcerers with Lantern. Toss Psykers into active volcanoes. Urinate into a Psykers recaff. Throw Psykers from cliffs. Shove Sorcerers into a wood chipper. Twist Psyker heads off. Report Psykers to the Black Ships. Split Psykers in half with Silence. Curb stomp pregnant Witches. Trap Psykers in quicksand. Crush Psykers in the trash compactor. Bathe Psykers in Phosphex. Grind Psyker bones into dust. Dissect Psykers. Exterminate Psykers in the gas chamber. Stomp Psyker skulls with ceramite boots. Cremate Psykers in the oven. Throw Rad-Grenades at Psykers. Lobotomize Psykers. Mandatory abortions for Psykers. Grind Psyker fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown Psykers in fried grox grease. Vaporize Sorcerers with a meltagun. Kick old Psykers down the stairs. Feed Psykers to Ogryn. Slice Psykers with a power sword.
Kill baseliners. Behead baseliners. Roundhouse kick a baseliner into the rockcrete. Slam dunk a baby baseliner into the trashcan. Crucify filthy baseliners. Defecate in baseliner's food. Launch baseliners into the sun. Shoot baseliners with bolters. Toss baseliners into active volcanoes. Urinate into a baseliner's recaff. Throw baseliners from cliffs. Shove baseliners into a wood chipper. Twist baseliner heads off. Split baseliners in half with power axes. Curb stomp pregnant baseliners. Trap baseliners in quicksand. Crush baseliners in the trash compactor. Bathe baseliners in Phosphex. Grind baseliner bones into dust. Dissect baseliners. Exterminate baseliners in the gas chamber. Stomp baseliner skulls with ceramite boots. Cremate baseliners in the oven. Throw Rad-Grenades at baseliners. Lobotomize baseliners. Drown baseliners in fried grox grease. Vaporize baseliners with a meltagun. Kick old baseliners down the stairs. Feed baseliners to land raider treads.
Treat auxilia with respect
Everyone and their fucking dog wants to paint their Word Bearers red. Fucking impossible to find a good video showing decent gray Word Bearers. Anyone here got any tips to share? Specific colours, stuff to watch out for, fancy techniques to apply?
>>97793877Dude it's fucking grey, even more easy to paint and look decent than black. Asking for a guide on how to paint grey is like asking to be taught how to breathe.
>>977938771) prime gray2) paint the visors and trim3) shade with nuln oil or marine juice
>>97793877>prime black>intensely drybrush grey all over and everywhere>more sparingly drybrush a lighter tone of grey to better pick out raised surfaces>designate metallic shit and trim and such with your choice of something approximating marred steel>apply black to the soft armor joints and cabling>freehand scriptural gobbledigook with a darker tone of grey than the other two wherever you like on the ceramite>sea-green corundum lenses>apply rigorously softened transfers or freehand iconography>flick blood for the blood god to taste off of a stiff brush for spatter (if desired)>apply basing shit>drybrush basing shit over the lower portions of the model>wash to taste>contrast wash (mexico filter) (if desired) to taste>enamel grime wash (if desired) to taste>apply death mire (tm) (excess/stray black and dark pigments collected into an eyedrop bottle) upon base to tasteur done
>>97793877Just pick a fucking grey you like, shade and highlight with your techniques of choice, done.
>>97793877There was a great series by some guy called Swish on YT where he was going through each Legion. He did Word Bearers in a stipples grey/slightly blue. The armour looked like stone. The vids don't exist anymore becuas I'd love to watch them again.
Not near done yet - got some more detailing and washes to put on before I do transfers, oils & weathering, but definitely made progress in the last couple of days. Show me what you're working on anons.
>>97794032big cutiesnuthin' to report as i've been taking it easy with a bit of a vicious cold recently ;w;
>>97794032Still working on the veteran tacticals, doesn't feel worth taking a pic until they're at least mostly finished.
>>97793877unironically just use 30k/grey SW schemes>I’ve used Mechanicus Standard Grey as my base, recess-shaded with Corvus Black thinned to a shade consistency. After that I edge-highlighted the armour with Dawnstone for my first layer, followed by Ulthuan Grey for the fine edge highlight and finally White Scar for the spot highlight. The resulting armour was nice and dark>https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/EO3EAaxT/alternative-colour-schemes-freshen-up-your-forces-with-these-divergent-painting-suggestions/or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjujMKr4aJs(this one uses more or less the same colours but turns out with a lighter grey finish, closer to the studio Ashen Circle unit)
>>97792335Gunpla is not miniature it’s model kits and two learn other franchises
>>97794032Thats cool, now go into the other thread and post the necromancer.
>>97794369I stopped posting my Mordheim shit, /wfg/ isn't much fun for posting models unlike /hhg/
>>97794391Shame, we could use more people like you and less like the various nogames faggots.
>>97794580Just for you anon
Post physique, anons. Let's see what sort of fa/tg/uys we've got in here.
>>97794655SOVLFVL
>>97794655Very nice. I like how "clean" the bone is.
>>97794687I'm not giving you free fap material anon.
>>97794687My gunt is private
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Why are Siege Tyrants so shit, 4th Bros?
>>97794787I actually don't know. I think it's actually difficult to be that bad even on purpose, yet they somehow managed to. They really need 2 shots on their krak missiles
>>97794858I keep staring at the ones I made with Cats and third party missile racks with disappointment.
>>97794823Where did you find this picture of me?
>>97794787Because their point cost reflects the fact that siege tyrants can:>Shoot vehicles>Shoot infantry>Punch shit dead in melee and contrary to /hhg/ beliefs, not every single enemy unit is a WS 5 melee unit>Tank quite some damage with strong saves, toughness 5 and 2 wounds eachThis means that if you only use them to sit in a corner and exclusively shoot their krak missiles like some autistic fucktard, you wasted a ton of points for nothing.
>>97793813baaed
I guess Horus is advertising on /tg/ instead of those femboy adverts
>>97793827Don't be a faggot anon auxilia deserve nothing but scorn for being filthy baseliners
>>97794941You make a good point anon.I should give them a few games on the table before just writing them off.
>>97794972The local IWfag initially thought siege tyrants were trash too, but now he includes them in every list. So there must be some merit to them.Haven't had the chance to play more than once against siege tyrants, but those swarmer rockets combined with combi-bolters now having four shots is a scary amount of dakka, even my 2+ save infantry took a lot of damage from it.
>>97794787Better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all
>>97794787drip ain't free
>>97794958>he thinks horus isn't advertising for femboys
>>97794972the krak rockets are already in good melta territory, they're 2/9 to pen AV14 on a unit that won't get melted for looking at a volkite kratos
>>97795009Damn good paint job.Was going to order some of these from recast then realized I can just print some cataphractii and slap some tau missile pods and a bit of green stuff on them.I really hope more legion specific units get plastic kits. And that a lot of the characters they removed come back. Speaking of, I should kitbash Narik this week.
>>97795009Nah, sometimes it is better to still have something to dream about, rather than have it all shattered and be left with nothing.>>97795060>hope more legion specific units get plastic kits"More" implies that there are any to begin with.
>>97794787Because theyre a generalist in an edition of specialists. They do everything, and are as such overcosted for any given role.
>>97795050No that's Fulgrim's thing
>>97795149Fulgrim IS the femboy, in the original lore he got date-raped by Horus remember.
>>97793139wait wait wait... what?that's so fucking retarded. I have to do this now.
>>97794823Truth is, this is the perfectly optimised wargamer's physique.
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>>97794941>>Shoot vehiclesBro each of them is worse than either a Lascannon or a 5 pts HK missile. By definition they CANNOT remain stationary because they are both expected to melee (you said so yourself) and they are Support 1 which prevents them from camping on objectives.D1 DOES NOTHING AGAINST VEHICLES. Let them shoot twice!!
>>97795055>the krak rockets are already in good melta territory>D1 on the move (they always move)
>>97795544I wish missiles were good. Sure you have versatility, but the versatility is kind of ass in effectiveness.
This is what I mean by "tyrants are punished for being generalists".They can punch about as well as a generic terminator squad (not great, but will body most non-terminator/vet units through armor and D2 Ap2). They can shoot like a HSS when it comes to killing vehicles (and have their honestly pretty decent anti-infantry power with the cluster rockets/bolters). But theyre not "55ppm" good at either of those things, and trying to use both of those elements will always leave the other weaker. If theyre staying still to shoot theyre not moving to punch things or use bolters, if theyre moving closer then their rockets are weak. In either case you pay for contingency, for durability, for the fact that "they can do other stuff". But this is an edition largely catered to specialists, so the rate for that contingency is very high.
>>97795703>tyrantsfuck I misread that as tyranids three times, I should probably go to bed
>>97786564How do I pick a legion? No joke I like most of them, bros seriously tell me how you chose.
>>97795884Pick one, when you realize you hate them after building and painting 2k points, then go for the other option then realize you just don't really like space marines and join the rank of the mechanicum as you were always meant to
>>97795702>>97795703If we were to rebalance them, I'd rather mess with their datasheet than their price, as you wouldn't need to re-math your list.If Tyrants are kinda useless against vehicles unless they remain stationary, then let their missiles be D2 at all times? They aren't worth standing still for. Heavy (FP) at natural D2 would make me consider stand them still.HSS are given Specialist X so other squads capture objectives better than them. That's understandable. But being terminators, Tyrants could have Vanguard instead. Still useless, but at least the enemy has to mind getting off the objective.I'd houserule Vanguard to be the opposite of the FAQ but that's separate.
>>97795907And if D2, Heavy (FP) and Vanguard X are too big of a pendulum's swing, then pick two of those and a chips flavor. Pretzels counts as a flavor.
>>97795907I would just give them "armor breaker" or something. Maybe shock(stunned).
>>97795907tyrants pen AV14 2/9 without any standing still nonsensethat's 1/3 Hitsin addition to which they can pull Bitter Fury mid-being shot at and double their shots all at D2 which is the same old double shooting phase bullshit everybody whined about for an entire editionin addition to which they never test Ld/Cl at less than 8, and you have a special detachment that lets you put Combat Veterans on them and never test less than 9, usually 10 unless you're spectacularly bad at not getting sergeants sniped
>>97795884Colors + fluff + rules
At the adepticorn full scale titanicus game
>>97796332what a hulking fella
>>97796207no, no, the anons have a point, 400 points of Siege Tyrants should absolutely be able to fuck a Typhon before it even sees them or smack a Spartan around then fuck with the waddly melee idiots inside for the rest of the game, if 400 points of Siege Tyrants can't kill any tank in the game in one shooting attack, all the other terminators should be asking "why not"
>>97796515>400 points of despoilers should absolutely be able to fuck a Ruinstorm Arch Daemon before it even sees them or smack a Primarch around then fuck with the waddly melee idiots guarding him for the rest of the game, if 400 points of Despoilers can't kill any melee unit in the game in one combat, all the other basic troops should be asking "why not"
>>97796540Well lore wise, the SW and BAs did exactly that.
Can one fit the plastic Deimos Rhino tracks onto a Mars Rhino?
>>97796669it would be extremely painful
>>97794787Just play 1.0 or 2.0
>>97796207525 pts of Tyrants on the move cannot kill a 65 pts Rhino. It would be laughable if it wasn't so sad.>But what if they used the special reaction?What if anything used the special reaction. What if you used it on Iron Havocs instead. Next time you want to argue about Tyrants, say something that is about Tyrants instead of something also applicable to anything else.
>>97796515Retard.
>>97793972Thanks Aurelian
>>97794687Nope not drunk enoughMortarions strongest Death Guard
>>97795884Flow chart it.Is there a Primarch you like: Pick that legionIs there a Primarch you hate: Pick that legion OR their rival legionAre there legion specific units you like: Pick that legionAre there legion specific units you like but they are from multiple different legions: Alpha LegionDo you like bikes/jetbikes: Reaper of Lives BlackshieldsDo you have a favorite color/colour: Pick that legionDid you reach this point: Iron Warriors (You are posting here, so you're probably a bitter autist.)But personally what helped me was reading the Black Books
>>97795050all legions lust for young boysbut i think space wolves offer the best experience to them
>>97796332Is that run by the Muh Official Certificated Titans Only fags?
>>97797039Seems Calas Typhon spent too much time among the Dark Angels huh
>>97786564Cousin wants to sell me the limited edition Dark vengeance box from 2012 for cheap, but I don’t play Word bearers or Dark angels, so was wondering if I can get some other use out of it for 30k? The scale is smaller and the characters are mostly single sprue or whatever it’s called.
>>97797626If you're not playing DA or WB it's not worth getting for 30k. Even if you played, say DA, you'd need to do some work to convert the Mk 7 into Mk V. Which can be done, have used those models for my DA, but it does take some time and effort.
>>97797626Could always make an army for an older edition of 40k.
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>>97792945I bumped into somebody who had Godhand clippers at my LGS tonight. After using GW (older) and Tamiya clippers personally, it was like a night and day difference, holy shit. Are they really for assembling a lot of kits though? They do seem pretty delicate.
The worst part of the grand team event at adepticon was the faggots in suspenders who got so drunk they couldn’t stop screaming. If you happen to be reading this, fucking kill yourself, go to a bar or something you fucking chuds
>>97797963Shit like that is why I'll never go to large events. You have to pay a large sum to be allowed in to begin with, and the larger crowd means there will be more bad apples amongst the bunch ruining everything.
>>97797849ten thousand million times folded paper-thin nipponese steeruagain, just be very mindful and delicate and gentle in using them and i imagine they'll last forever. i've put mine through some pretty serious shit outside the bounds of strictly intended use and they managed just fine with but some caremy set has a single blade on the one half and basically a bracing face on the other which doesn't have much of an edge to it at all, so it's actually only the one part that's doing much of any cutting while the other exerts pressure and holds everything in place for the severing underwaythe blade itself though is quite thin and delicate. it can absolutely break if one fucks around too much. you don't wanna exert undue force. let the blade do the cutting and only on shit that isn't stupid dummy thicc though it can potentially manage big sprue channels just fine so long as you're nice and ginger with the cut. if shit stalls out be super gentle in escalating the pressure to finish the job, and don't ever flex the angle amidst a snip.probably the best thing i can recommend besides is actually using a coarser set of nippers to take parts out from a sprue with the channels still attached and using a set of godhands or whatever on a freed part as such so that the surrounding frame isn't exerting any pressure at all
>>97797626I think you can make all of or most of one Militia Infantry Troop from the cultists tho obvs they're explicitly Chaos-y; the Ravenwing Bikers can't just swap the riders for Scimitar riders for a basic Outrider unit because the legs are molded onto the bike halves, but you could kind of patiently fudge them into mk5 I guess, or just use their greebling for colour on other units; the Librarian is probably fine as-is, i think he's just in straight Mk6 (though as with most of these things, the purity seals aren't very 30k); the chaplain (if you have him) is also probably fine; the captain wants a head swap (but might make a nice Champion); the Tacticals are all three-piece pushfits, there's two mk6 helmets that might be worth resculpting the knees for, but all 10 models are in mk7 armour, so pretty much the only things usable direct out of the box would be the bolters (which are likely compatible with the current 30k Tactical arms) and the backpacks (which probably don't look wrong on mk6 Tacticals); likewise the terminators might make an Indomitus Terminator squad but you'd need to remove the crux from the left pauldron at least, and one guy has a crux on the knee that has to gopic related is what is *possible* (and not my work) if you want to de-chaos the chaos marines (or for that matter de-mk7 the tacticals) and have altogether too much time on your hands, but that era's CSM were notoriously busy lookingof all the models I would say the cultists (which again would maybe make a complete Infantry Troop, idk about the weapon options) and the DA characters in power armour are the easiest to use; even the Tactical sergeant might make a nice Esoterist or Apothecary without too much work since his tabard hides most of his knees in a forgiving waythey are, for being push-fit as well, extremely nice sculpts and quite a project in their own right to paint in full; if you want to convert them for 30k, go nuts
>>97797963>suspendersuh what
>>97797995oh and the bigger the gate being cut, the further down the nippers you'll want to employ i findthe blade is more delicate the nearer to the tip it is
>>97798043The murican term for braces, if he's wearing lingerie that's not what's being referred to... probably
>>97796332>>97796397Glad you like it! I'm really proud of how the pose turned out.
>>97797276could also be the blood angels
>>97797963You are making it sound like a bunch of blackout drunk bavarians broke into adepticon which is a pretty funny mental image.
>>97797963>>97797975hell is other people
Anyone here have some eefrit converted up?
Whats a good way to make a marine look like a necromancer? Not for a librarian, just a "regular" marine (mortifactor).
>>97798365Techmarine with a chaplain-esque helmet and a cyberfamiliar that looks undead.
>>97797626Well, I literally use that Librarian with HH colors as a 30k Librarian.Cultists can be a miltia mob.Champ and Lord can be WB (or SoH if you lean heard into warpmaxxing), helbrute may work as a mhara gal.
>>97798365Paint a skull on his helmet.
>>97798382>helbrute may work as a mhara gal.It may not, it's half the size of a mhara gal nigga, just use it as a corrupted castaferrum
>>97796735>525 pts of Tyrants on the move cannot kill a 65 pts RhinoThat is also true of a HSS of equal numbers, because the tyrants are just "terminators with lascannons".
>>97798365Just make a techmarine with extra censers, scrolls, etc.
>>97798426he short but he W I D E
>>97798467HSS are expected to stay still, Tyrants are expected to use their fists.
>>97798230Nope, just bog standard balding Americans who need to sneak a bottle in to anything to have fun. If you want to stand on your chair and scream about every dice roll go play 40k orks like a real faggot. Or better yet, tie a noose while you’re up there on the chair.
>have just the right size base and just enough parts to make a horrifying cyber-centaur discipline master for my militiaLoyalty is truly its own reward
>>97797626I use the Librarian as a Librarian and the Company Master as a Paladin Of the Hekatonistica. I never owned the biker, terminators or tacticals, but they look straight taken out of pages of HH lore
>>97798702The expectation that they be as good as HSS at their job while also being as good as terminators are at theirs (all at the same time) seems silly.
>>97798881I wouldn't want them to make regular HSS or regular terminators obsolete. They already fight as well as either, though. Pity.They went from being unique in 1.0 (relentless double krak) to being "the same but double price".I do wish they had an incentive to stay still or an incentive to press forwards, but instead Support X with missile and power fist feels schizo.Unironically I'd accept them being the same armaments but Vanguard X.
>>97798702This is 3.0 nigger, your ranged units WILL get charged before turn 2 is over. Siege tyrants don't have to move, because there will be units charging them.
>>97799063Id give them vanguard and probably armor breaker.
>>97799250I'm looking at Fulmentarii. They too are Support, but their plasma missiles have two shots. Armour breaker would be a nice way to add to their anti vehicle firepower without making them obscene against infantry I guess.
>>97799339>theirTyrant's
All I want GW to do is to fix Cenbium Terminators. Give them Line or fix their terran blades.
>>97799356What's wrong with either, specifically? Why do you feel this way
>>97799363Cenobium should be the best terminators in game, and they nerfed the terran swords in general, making them worse thunder hammer for extra cost and for some reason other good terminators get venguard or some extra traits/rules, while Cenobiums got nothing. I would pay companion tartaros over them.
>>97799356>>97799392Really? I think that DA need more than that, like a reaction that makes you win the battle + loser has to give you a blowjob.
>>97799392True. Also, there needs to be a rule that upon a DA player entering the LGS, everybody should spread their cheeks and allow for a sampling of their "Inner Circle"
>>97799339It does, but its also entirely worthless vs vehicles. Tyrants have an Ap3 lascannon, fulmentarus have a r36 plasma gun. I dont know if one can be called far superior to the other. >>97799356Cenobium are absolutely fine. Terranic greatswords work well and do what theyre supposed to do, their rules are in line with other terminator units. >>97799392They have their greatswords for free, and they work as they always had, lower damage/less guaranteed Ap2 but they go before thunder ha,mmers. Youre literally just a faggot.
>>97799392>For extra costThey cost the same. I do notice Broken Claw Cenobium have to pay full 10 pts to swap Terranics for Hammers? Now that's insulting. Something similar happened to Lernaean in 2.0 and it made them borderline unuseable.Feel free to swap to Hammers at no cost.>Cenobium got no Vanguard XNeither do Praetorian Guard termies. But indeed those guys are Retinue while Cenobiums are Vanguard.I ask anons to decide?>>97799418LMAO. Alas no - sounds more SoH than DA. No twinks?
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>>97799484>Tyrants have an Ap3 lascannonProblem is, ever since 3.0 arrived I ceased considering lascannons as worthwile antitank. Not bothering with anything weaker than a Laser Destroyer these days.This relegates Tyrant krak missiles to anti-infantry, and at AP3 D1 that's tacticals who, as we've already discussed to death, do not require a dedicated gun as they die to anything already.That means Tyrant armaments are subpar against tanks, or against TEQ, or even against VEQ, and 300 pts minimum mean they literally can't afford to waste themselves on MEQ or lesser.There's room for a squad that is good against something and also incidentally okay against others. There's no room for a squad that is merely okay vs good targets while good against worthless targets.
>>97799484>Terranic greatswords work well and do what theyre supposed to doThey do>their rules are in line with other terminator units.They aren't in line with themselves. Let Broken Claws take Hammers for free
>>97799646As someone who plays against people whos main AT seems to be lascannons (attached to land raiders)? Dont underestimate them. They do not one-tap vehicles, but in numbers they absolutely CAN bring them down, and that D1 is a lot scarier on their stationary return fire. >do not require a dedicated gun as they die to anything already.This is a truism that gets repeated worthlessly every time, being actually good at killing tacticals is an incredibly valuable niche, "everything kills tacticals" is only true insofar as "everything kills everything", efficiency is still absolutely relevant there. This isnt to say tyrants are good into tacticals (not with their kraks anyways)
It is interesting how nobody ever brings up the fact that siege tyrants are one of only two units remaining in the entire game that have Ignores Cover the other being Iron HavocsLike, not even template weapons ignore cover saves any more.
>>97799678>They do not one-tap vehiclesAnon, that means they're shitIf you can't one shot an AV14 vehicle then either it's a spartan and turn 2 it's going to deposit its gaggle of ws5 terminators in your face, or its a Kratos and its Forge lord butt buddy is going to repair it to full no sweat. There is no more "leave a vehicle in a crippled state" in 3.0
>>97799833>Every unit is WS 5 terminators!>Every vehicle is a spartan!>Every weapon is a thunder hammer!
>>97799678>efficiency is still absolutely relevant there.>This isnt to say tyrants are good into tacticalsYou said it yourself. At that price, you can't afford Tyrant's to focus on Tacticals. Tacs specifically - HSS are also MEQ after all, though with drastically different guns and use compared to Tacs lol.>a truismOne that isn't emphasized enough, actually: you don't even need to actually kill tacticals. Even Stun or Pin already removes their scoring, which is their greatest use. Any Terminators end up causing Routed on them by merely EXISTING in the same combat.The one MEQ-killing gun I'd be impressed by would be a Barrage MEQ killer, and that's because it would Route HSS beyond LoS, specifically.
Reading Horus Rising and it describes Luna Wolf Catulans as black with white trim.
>>97799833You say it in jest...I'm fine with Tyrants not killing Spartans in one salvo - they are more "assault-ready" antitank than they are "best" antitank.I do mind them not being antitank at all, given their inability to kill a Rhino on the move>Things shouldn't die in a single turn - you can status vehicles now!Armourbane specifically prevents them from applying a status. Their missiles, Lascannons and Meltaguns outside point blank are antitank that can't apply statuses.Plenty of antitank revolves around killing tanks without ever applying statuses on them, actually.They built a Status system on tanks, then made all antitank guns ignore it, effectively removing the maluses of Penetrating Hits in the process. It's 0 or 100, there's no in-between now.Not that Tyrants will notice, as they don't do much damage either anyways.
>>97799927What about barrage, large blast, with panic 1?If you mean actually killing there's the saturnine dread with two heavy plasma bombard. Breaching 5+ (no reason not to overload) and with barrage 1 it is likely to still get some hits even when it scatters.
>>97799815>tyrants are one of only two units remaining in the entire game that have Ignores Cover1. There's far less reasons to be in cover for anymore, now that artillery and plasma got taken out of the AP game. This makes cover feel more like obstacles than like refuge; makes you as slow as DG for barely any gain.2. The few reasons to keep to cover are: Kratos, Lascannons and Vindicators. Anon here says >>97799857 not every vehicle is a Kratos, or Spartan or similar. I say "every vehicle that matters indeed is one"
>>97799984Those are quite fine and useful. I'm hopeful that the changes make artillery better and more useful than they were in 2.0. They cancel HSS overwatch, for starters. Especially now that HSS lost the Heavy type, for whatever reason, on the one edition it would have mattered lmao
>>97800099Only Stunned would outright cancel their Overwatch, but Suppressed would halve it, and all stats do cancel their Heavy Weapon stationary bonuses
>>97800071>now that artillery and plasma got taken out of the AP gameLol. Lmao. Yea anon, that breaching 5+ getting 20 hits definetly has no AP.
>>97800071>Doesn't know about conversion beamer predators>Or graviton cannon rapiers>Or graviton/phospex arquitor>Or destroyers>Or and the list goes onYeah you didn't even open a rulebook little bro. Tactical marines outside of cover will be vaporised before you can say "Line 2"
>>97800134Unironically went over the weapons list, ignored Rad grenades for being tied to a single niche unit, then englobed Predators, Sicarans Arcus, Arquitors and Rapiers as "similar". The word "similar" is doing some heavy lifting, though maybe it should say "Other / Specialist".Conversion beamer are NOT common in any sense of the word, be they on Predators, Dreadnoughts or Lerneans.
>>97800116>You get AP on 1/3 of 2/3 of your shotsVindicator don't care. Fuck-your-shit blast go
>>97800149Dude, conversion beamer predators are more common than lascannon HSS were in 2.0 by now. Everybody and their grandma runs at least one in their list.
>>97800157A vindicator that hits 3~ marines will cause a lot less damage than a gravis double plasma hitting 10. Vindicators hit like trucks, but that demolisher cannon is NOT for killing large numbers of infantry unless your opponent forgets coherency is 2" for marines.
>>97800166Demolisher cannon is hilarious if, say, a tactical squad's Rhino got destroyed and they were forced to Emergency Disembark. In case you haven't read the rules yes yes I know, nobody here does emergency disembark is the new 1.0 deep strike. Nothing but forced base to base contact.
>>97800175Sure, but even then its like 3/4 hits because they just make a circle around the rhino. A single small blast simply cant hit that many marines unless your opponent makes a nice little circle for you. Large blasts are simply a LOT more area. The strength of the demolisher cannon is that it gives no shits, it can hurt tanks, dreads, automata, terminators or tacticals and do it all "fine enough" for a 130pts box. But that versatility comes at the cost of being not exceptional at any of it compared to more specialized weapons.
>>97800192>they just make a circle around the rhino.Dang I guess I sholdn't been bunching them all up on the far side of the Rhino huh lol>that versatility comes at the cost of being not exceptional at any of itTrue, but I think "versatile" demolishers supported by high antitank is more forgiving to use than high antitank and anti-infantry
>>97800162Wow people really did ditch all those Melta Predators and swap them for Heavy Conversion? Unironically stunned.
>>97800206>Dang I guess I sholdn't been bunching them all up on the far side of the Rhino huh lolYea, probably not. Both because thats cheating and because thats how you die to one demolisher. The emergency disembark is brutal in melee though, because if you cant deploy (because theres an enemy model there, for example) you just die.>>97800212Quad lascannon, vanilla, C beamer and plasma are all pretty solid afaik.
>>97800192That's only if the area around the Rhino is entirely clear. If there is not enough room because other units are next to the Rhino, those tacticals are forced to make a double row and you can easily get like 6 hits.
>>97800216I was just trying to hide them behind the Rhino wreck. Figured it made sense they all tried to form up away from incoming fire
>>97800218>If there is not enough room because other units are next to the Rhino, those tacticals are forced to make a double row and you can easily get like 6 hitsNo actually, then they just die iirc (at least if its enemy models).
>>97800212Brother, all those proud IWfags who owned twelve quad mortar rapiers, three squadrons of medusa and so on had all that vanish overnight when 2.0 dropped. They like to pretend otherwise, but the vast majority of HHfags aren't any better than the most terminal 40k tournament going WAACfaggot.
>>97800216>Executioner>Breaching 4+, D2Why can't this be the standard of what supercharged plasma looks like>Blast 5"Fuck that's scary
>>97800240>Why can't this be the standard of what supercharged plasma looks likeBecause plasma is already good? Double gravis dreads dont need any buffs. But yea, the executioner is scary (was last ed too). Predators are just kinda solid with everything other than the neutron laser and melta.
>>97800233Wrong. If there is not enough room models must be placed in base contact with a model that has already disembarked, and only if that also isn't possible are they removed as casualty. Told you nobody here actually reads the rules.
>>97800249People laugh at my melta predators too, until one tokyo drifts around terrain and one-taps their land raider.
>>97800249>Predators are just kinda solid with everything other than the neutron laser and melta.Nah those are fine too. I think>Plasma already good, just look at dreadsYeah everything is good with a 5" blast lol. Wouldn't mind breaching 4+ on plasma pistols and plasma guns, or D2 or a combination thereof
>>97800315>Yeah everything is good with a 5" blast lolNo joke, even the basic quad mortar profile is kinda scary with two 5" blasts each when stationary.
>>97800315>Nah those are fine too. I thinkI dont know, the melta is weirdly super expensive for how much its been tuned down, and the neutron has gets hot for some reason iirc. >Wouldn't mind breaching 4+ on plasma pistols and plasma guns, or D2 or a combination thereofPlasma guns are also fine. 2 shots breaching 5+ > 1 shot breaching 4+. Plasma is less flashy, but its numerically solid, it just gets enough shots/hits across that its 2/3 breaching becomes quite potent. Thats literally the only issue with plasma, its boring. Mathematically its a scary weapons platform, but it relies on weight of fire rather than singular dangerous hits and that feels bad/not how it used to be.
>>97800389All the rapier weapons are good desu.
>>9780042720 points is not super expensive for a weapon that can one-shot a land raider at 12" with one single penetrating hit anon.
>>97800464The issue is that (on average) it wont. The melta is very specialized and unreliable, which makes it being more expensive than some other options a hard pill to swallow imo. You CAN deal 8 damage and kill a land raider, but you could also miss, or fail to pen (doing nothing), or be out of melta range. Not to mention that having to get into melta range essentially makes it a suicide weapon, if you can use it, chances are your predator dies next turn.
>>97800478We are talking about a unit that costs less than half the points of that land raider. It would be somewhat of a balance issue if it could reliably kill a unit more than twice its point value, which is transporting another unit also more than twice the point value of a melta predator. I just bring two, if one doesn't succeed the second one usually does.
>>97800502>We are talking about a unit that costs less than half the points of that land raiderSure, but its also a unit thats only really good at once single thing and isnt actually all that good at that thing even when it manages to get into the position to do it (which isnt trivial, 12" isnt guaranteed)
Maybe im too harsh on the neutron laser. It isnt insane damage (although consistent D3 isnt BAD), but the big thing is the suppression. You dont take it to kill tanks, you take it because putting suppressed on that kratos is actually pretty valuable. I still dont think its as good as the other predator weapon options, but im coming around to "it has some value".
>>97799984I have two Scorpius tanks, I wonder if these would be a better option..
>>97800772Depends on what you want. The whirlwind is a solid way to apply status effects, but the scorpius will still get more actual kills with two str 8 breaching 5+ small blasts if it can stay stationary.
>>97800427>2 shots breaching 5+ > 1 shot breaching 4+Then gimme two shots at 4+ ;^)
>>97800845Hmm.Perhaps I swap one Scorpius out for a Whirlwind?My list is based entirely on what I own, and what I own is a bunch of random stuff I felt like building.WarsmithCenturionSiege Breaker1x Despoilers2x Tac Squads1x Breachers2x Rhinos10man Autocannon HSS5man Missile Launcher HSS2x Scorpius4x Quad Launcher rapiers2x Vindicators3x Double Plasma Bombard Saturnine5x Tyrant Siege Terminators1x Land Raider CarrierProbably need to cut some stuff and make some changes.
>>97800565Yeah it's utility. Like, it could force superheavies to snapfire. I don't remember if Shock needs to pen to inflict the status lol
>>97800956Nope. Just 5+ to hit.
>>97800962I wish the predator could mount plasma cannon sponsons? Idk would be nice that you could mount sponsons according to the main gun.
>>97801080>full CHOOM tank>autocannon sponsons for the predator cannon >multi melta sponsons >grav gun sponsons
>>97801124>no sponsons
