I win the argument.
This post is extremely low quality.
>>97793336based>>97793345Yeah, would appreciate you to divulge more on this subject. Who even knows what railroading is? how would a newcomer avoid it? is it possible for players to railroad their DM?
>>97793364You know what railroading is. You don't have to take any steps. Not doing it is the default. You have to go out of your way to force players to do what you want them to.
>>97793376>You know what railroading is.Every adventure is railroading?
>>97793336What argument?Railroading is always bad, unless trains are involved.
>>97793336You're right.
>>97793336>>97793376>>97793608Define “railroading”, dorkus
>>97793618You know what railroading is.
>>97793618It's when the GM says no.
How long are you retards gonna keep feeding him attention?
>>97793873Until you admit that he's right.
>>97793336Dracula sucks
Gentlemen, I think
>>97794076>Gentlemen, I thinkYou are!
Let's turn this thread into something useful. Discuss railroad games and post your favorite railroad games.
>>97793677You clearly didn’t to start this thread.>>97793888He’s underage, clearly.
>>97794217Fuckin' Oats man. My dad makes a killing just haulin' oats.
>>97793336NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I WANT TO TAKE MY GAY DEMON SOULBLADER INTO THAT PLACE YOU SAID I CAN'T GO INTOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>97793376Got it, if a game has a GM, it's being railroaded.
I'm not simulating an entire continent for you, I already said this twice over. If you want to go off gallivanting in the forest instead of entering the dungeon you came here to explore you starve and die. That's it.
>>97794905terrbiel gm
>>97793377You do not have my permission to pretend at stupidity.
>>97794893You do not have my permission to pretend at stupidity.
>>97794905How did you get from don't railroad to you have to simulate a continent? Explain your reasoning steps in detail.
>>97793944lol
>>97794217There are no good railroad games you colossal faggot.
>>97794905>I already said this twice over.Fucking railroader, I swear to god. You do not need to simulate a continent, a region will suffice dude.
>>97794905Well?
>>97794905Based
>>97795254Do it right now then
>>97793376>You know what railroading is. >You don't have to take any stepsThat's it exactly, the whole point of a railroad is not to take steps. If you were supposed to take steps it would be a road or a footpath.
One time I had a, get this, dungeon with a 10' wide corridor that they had to walk along to get to the first room. They could have spent weeks digging their own tunnel with pickaxes, or they could have paid for some scrying and teleporting, or they could have spent months or years capturing, breeding and training a burrowing monster.All those possibilities and more but fuck did they ever complain.>You made us walk down the corridor.>This is railroading.>Haven't even got to the first encounter and this is on rails.Fucking ingrates. I took the moral high ground and didn't point at all the things they were too stupid to have thought of, I was just like>Nah, not even, it had a staircase in it. Railroads don't have staircases.Good times, good times.
>>97795925That's right. Because railroading is how you GM. But not how I GM because I'm not a malicious idiot like you. Glad you understand now.
>>97796003>nogaems retard pretending he GMs instead of wasting his life pretending he games on 4chanLol loser
>>97796221>in his own words engages in railroading>gets furious and embarrassed when agreed withCurious.
>>97795254But I simply don't want to. We came here to play Dungeons and Dragons. Here is the dungeon. If you don't want to engage with the basic premise of the game, then why the hell are you here? I'm not going to go out of my way to satisfy your contrarianism. Engage with the plot hook or just fuck off man I only have so much time to come up with shit. It's this or we're running a module.
>>97795925The trick to DMing is to trick your players into doing exactly what you want them to do, ride the railroad.
>>97796330>hallucinates entire conversation that didn’t happen>proclaims the person he imagines he is arguing g with is angry and upsetMeds, anon
>>97796368>I simply don't want to.I don't care if you don't want to. What happens when I decide my character would do something you're unprepared for? gonna railroad me? gonna seize my character and make it do something that's out of character? weak sauce anon, WEAK SAUCE. We came to play D&D not whatever fucking story takes your fancy this week. You like weekly stories? tons of television shows for you, binge watch Netflix. I heard when you get to the end of the catalog they send a wellness check because NOBODY DOES THAT SHIT. Then there's (you) who doesn't even understand the basic premise of the game, of a game, where players play a god damn game. Tabletop RPGs are all about the myiard of choices one can take, and the infinite reactability that can happen when a real life human is in charge of ensuring everyone has fun. You cannot even comprehend how much easier it is to run a sandbox campaign because: (you) simply don't want to. "Contrarianism" is just bullshit on your part. I could force feed you dozens of youtube videos that teach you how to not be a shitty DM, but you'll just be a contrarian yourself and simply not want to. Maybe I don't want to follow the fucking railroad you shat out because you're a fucking lazy retard who cannot into improv. It's playing a game, or you fucking watch a movie, bitch.
>>97796470Honestly, most don’t have to be tricked or coerced. Most normal players just bite at whatever plot hooks or incentive for adventure are thrown at them cause they just want to get the excuses to game out of the way, not engage in real life drama by screaming at each other over nothing.
>>97796492> I don't care if you don't want to. What happens when I decide my character would do something you're unprepared for?“That’s cool, anon. It’s a shame you’re not interested, but everyone else wants to go through the dungeon even if you don’t, so I guess I’ll keep on going. You’re free to leave, of course, since this will probably take up the rest of the session. See you next week?”
>>97793336Lol
>>97796471every single time lol
>>97796497That's the part that all of these railroading arguments ignore. The types of players who are proactive enough to make their own goals are rare.Most players either do the most obvious thing the NPCs ask, or they do whatever they think is the most contrarian to a that request. If you ever give them true freedom, they wander aimlessly begging for quests.
>>97796587>If you ever give them true freedom, they wander aimlessly begging for quests.True enough.A partial sandbox can be hella fun.A pure sandbox is dull.
>>97795908Idiot.
>>97795925Who are you talking to?
>>97796368Why are we playing if you've already decided what we're going to do? What do you need us for?
>>97796497Moron.
>>97796587No, they're not rare. You've just never run a game that gives them the freedom to do so, since you don't believe they can. Moron.
>>97796632Wrong.
>>97793336>claims to hate railroading>rail roads his argumentreally makes you think...
>>97796587not every player has the self-direction it takes to make a sandbox full of nothing but sand into something fun.good thing there's a GM there to put toys (dungeons to crawl, NPCs and factions to interact with, trouble to get into, etc.) in the sandbox. so it's not just full of sand and everyone can actually have some fun.
>>97797069Nice argument. I pm going to take the fact you don’t have an actual response as oroof that you know I’m right but are petulant enough to pretend otherwise.>>97797077That’s not a counter argument, that’s just the long equivalent of “nuh-uh”. For someone who claims to hate railroading, you’re pretty terrible at people saying things you’re unprepared for. Loser.
>>97797079Care to elaborate, or just going to prove yourself too stupid to communicate online?
>>97797160Honestly, there’s only so much a DM can do to try and force people to engage with the content of a sandbox if they either don’t know or don’t care about it. A lot of people talk snout railroad ping in hushed tones, but few people talk about the awkwardness of players encountering option paralysis or heaven forbid, being basically cut loose to explore a sandbox and then come up with no clues or direction on what to do.Like, it’s not weakness or a personal failing for that to happen. Sometimes you need an established direction to agree on before you feel okay in diving headfirst into the unknown. It doesn’t really excuse railroading, aka when the GM outright enforces going down a particular path contrary to the stated wishes of the party. But there is a reason most people hold things like Session Zero to agree on a direction before the rpg and starts so they don’t end up awkwardly supporting down at the payable and told to effectively fend for themselves in a sandbox with so many things and no way to sort through all of them to narrow down what they want in the moment.
>>97797077>since you don't believe they can.That's a thing. I know they can. I know those players exist. Because I've met a total of two out of the dozens of people I've run games for who were actually proactive. That's why I said they were rare, not that they didn't exist.>>97797160>(dungeons to crawl, NPCs and factions to interact with, trouble to get into, etc.)Exactly my point.
>>97797079>Wrong.How so?I realize that you already put a great deal of time and mental energy into expressing your deep an involved disagreement with my post but perhaps you could expand into detail a little further?For example, it's not immediately clear whether you're insisting that it's impossible for a partial sandbox to be fun or if you're insisting that it's impossible for a pure sandbox to be dull.Please elucidate.
>>97797264>it’s not weakness or a personal failing for that to happen.This.Choice Paralysis is a very human thing.A basic knowledge of marketing shows a lot of things like this are universal.Give a person a choice out of anything they can imagine and they'll struggle.Give a person a choice out of a few options and they'll have a much easier time choosing.Give a contrarian subhuman a choice between five things and they'll screech over being railroaded away from a hypothetical sixth choice they refuse to describe.
>>97797264I never understand the directionless claims. A sandbox to me is a setting with lots of stuff happening.
>>97793336Your beliefs are irrelevant to my table.You don't get a say.There is no argument.
>>97798402You already lost the argument though.
>>97798417There is no argument to be won or lost. You aren't engaged with me on the topic.
>>97798236A lot of things happening, but no personal attachment means a lot of fluff. Aka it looks pretty but offers little substance. It usually helps to make things directly related to the player or their pc’s stated interests. A pirate crew is going to get more out of a setting focused on searching pirate coves and discovering ancient ruins than they would a game heavily themed around the crusades, for instance. It’s why Skyrim frames the big quest around slaying a specific dragon. A huge chunk of players don’t need it to justify doing whatever they like in the big sandbox, but it’s helpful for the people who do due to its immediacy and more direct impact on their character.
>>97798422That's ironic considering the top resolved in the OP.
>>97798531I would just find a new group. It's obvious they don't know how to play.
>>97798422By posting in the thread, you engaged.
>>97795211But OP, if the GM has ANY input on the setting they're railroading their players! You said so yourself in the last thread!
>>97798820It's not a railroad, it's a wall, it happens to be a mile high, and has anti-magic sigils every few feet.
>>97794217What is this?! A railroads for ants!?
>>97798236>A sandbox to me is a setting with lots of stuff happening.Ideally it is, but I've seen retards screech about how a villain succeeding in a scheme after being left to their own devices is railroading, because the players are getting 'punished' for not following up on that particular 'plot hook'.
>>97797228It is an actual response, since you are actually a moron, and you lose the argument. Moron.
>>97797228Exactlly as much supporting reasoning as you provided for your position (none).
>>97798171nope, not this.
>>97798531What do you mean no personal attachment? Most of the stuff in the game is based on what the players express interest in.
>>97798820No I didn't. Read the thread again.
>>97799615Only if the villain's activities weren't properly simulated using the same game rules that govern everything else. Even then, that wouldn't strictly be railroading, since no specific player decision has been made irrelevant.
>>97799615That's a strange example, railroading is forcing players to do something. In that example the players did what they wanted to do. I think a better example is having the players off on some adventure, and then springing the villain who is really far away doing stuff, the players unable to stop them.
>>97800435No, you did. I read the thread. If the GM does literally anything at all it's railroading. If the players can't do literally anything literally all the time it's railroading, the GM can't say anything or else it's railroading.
>>97796632>Quantum ogresNot an argument.
>>97800721I'm railroading this comment right now.
>>97794893Oraclechads win again
>>97800721Nope, no one said that. Read the thread again.
>>97800756Is an argument, rather.
>>97800415>>97800420Does your mom know you’re posting this nonsense on a school night?
>>97800432Low reading comprehension
>>97800931But you did indeed complain about that, me no-games
>>97800974NTA, but it's your fault for not being more concise.
>>97800521To most players, railroading is just the DM doing something they don’t like, much like how Godwin’s law has kind of eroded due to lack of intelligence in using it.
>OP still seething mad even after he allegedly won
>>97800995It’s my fault someone else can’t read above a third grade level?
>>97801010I do not think that's true. I've only seen players call railroading when it's obvious their ability to make choices that impact the game are being negated.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhFxsaSh0kQ>the paper is laminated
>>97800969Does yours?
>>97800974Ironic.
>>97801020So you didn't say "no personal attachment"? That exact phrase doesn't appear in your post? Retard?
>>97801176I’ve seen it from bad players who complain every time something doesn’t go their way, up to and in the dice. But especially the DM.
>>97801349Reading comprehension, underage.
>>97801355Concession accepted.
>>97801357I do indeed accepted your concession, underage poster
>>97801389Nope I accept yours.
>>97800521>railroading is forcing players to do somethingIf you think someone is punishing you because you didn't do something, would you classify that as them trying to force you to do that thing?>That's a strange example,That's why I referred to such players as retards.
