Simple rule to improve and balance wizards in OSR games: they can only memorize one casting of a given spell per day. You have 3 third level slots? You can cast one Fireball, not 2 or 3. Don't know any other 3rd level spells? Better go find some spellbooks. Hope you make your % chance to learn spell rolls (I won't bother addressing faggots who let wizards automatically learn new spells). God forbid you have to get more creative with your casting.
>>97793691One thing I really like to do is make my games how I want from the get-go, instead of trying to bash an existing system in the shape I want it to fit into.This way, I don't support the TTRPG grift, and I get the kind of game I want.
The fruitless endeavor to make everything balanced fucking sucks and I hate it. Let wizards be overpowered. Give the starting party artifacts from random rolls. Let them permanently alter/break the setting.Verismillitude is a false god. Let chaos reign.
>>97793766>Let wizards be overpowered.And thus begins the slippery slope to everyone else complaining "I want super powers too!" And it is sacrosanct among Millennials and Zoomies you must never, ever nerf anything or apply restrictions. You must always always "just make everything else stronger". So what if everyone becomes bored within a month since they are superheroes and nothing is a challenge? The important thing is they were empowered.
>>97793691Only muscle wizards allowed.
>>97793780Please tell us how this has affected your games.
>>97793780>making up imaginary people that are fake mad at something that hasn't even happened to you yetNah, I do what I want.
>>97793691Why not just run OSR by the book rather than trying to homebrew?
>>97793691Sounds like that would just encourage them to lean into enchanting and shove their spells into wands.
>>97793691>balancing >wizards >in OSRThey're magic users you tool.
>>97793691literally just disable long rests outside of a town
>>97793792oh no reddit got upset :((((((((((((((((((((( each of those are one of your chins btw
>>97793691>% chance to learn spellChance to learn spell isn't a part of B/X.>wizards automatically learn new spellsCore rule of B/X.I'm not even a fan of B/X but at least I'm not spouting off like AD&D is everything there is to OSR. Happy with your (you)?
>>97793691Nigga try playing games for once. Magic user is balanced because you can use scrolls and other magic items you find on the dungeon.
>>97796523Meant for >>97793766
>>97793691I like the 2e wizard. He is pretty fun.
>>97793691I just don't see the point of such nerfs.Have you play tested this?Did it actually improve the game? Or are you just trying to make Wizards worse so that your players stop picking that class?
>>97793691you dont play games, let alone OSRkill yourself, retard
>>977971172e is not an OSR game
>>97793704You don't know a single person in all the world who will play your games with you. They sit in your computer's memory like wisps of pipesmoke from a man who lives on the other side of the lake. You will die, and they will go to the landfill, unplayed.
>>97797279we played this evening actually
>>97793691Only having one of each spell wouldn't make me weaker, but I'd have less copies of buffs to share with the loser mundanes, for sure. One Haste a day, bud.
>>97797279Cry about the fact there are people who don't use your precious corposlop product and stay mad about it.
>>97797255Yes it is. Nobody cares about your personal minutia or K&KA purity nonsense.
>>97797279>he forces his friends to sit for hours "playing" his failed novel, theater-kid garbageYou are That Guy.
>>97793691I don't care about what you're saying but that's some of the ugliest art I've seen in a while. Why is 5e like this?
>>97793691Nah.
>>97793691Just make any system, OSR or not, that uses "Vancian casting" operate like the actual novels by Jack Vance. A magic user may only memorize a single spell at a time, by spending hours upon hours carefully folding up the metaphysical construction of it to fit in their brain. A handful of masters can fit two, at the cost of constant headaches from cramming them both in their brain, and a great wizard of legend may be reported to manage three but it causes them to bleed from their eyes, ears and nose in constant agony as holding so many spells is actually crushing their brain.
>>97798476lolI had assumed it had been filtered to make it look more retarded. Is it actually just the art from the book?
>>97793691____ ___ _____ ___ _______ _&_?
>>97798247No its not, and the moods agree. Eat shit, fishfag
>>97798654NTA but 2nd ed is just 1st ed with a few minor additions. It's as OSR as any other D&D system.
>>97798712>It's as OSR as any other D&D system.fucking moronis 3x OSRis 4e OSR?is is 5e OSR? kill yourself
Excellent AD&D magic-user rules to balance them:>1d4 hp>memorize spells in advance; no changing spells on the fly. "b-b-but I might encounter a situation where I didn't memorize the right spell!">roll to learn spells. Miss your roll, tough luck. "b-b-but now Johnny has different spells than me!">must find spells in a spellbook "b-b-but I want Fireball NOW! I want it I want it I want it!!">spells cast end of round>spell interrupted from single hp of damage "b-b-but that means my casting might FAIL. I wanna feel COOL. Like a SUPERHERO! It feels BAD when my spell fails!">no gay spells like "Magic Tiny Fucking Hut for Unlimited Free Rests">no cantrip faggotry "b-b-but now I can't effectively shoot arrow-- I mean, Eldritch Blasts-- every round like the warrior! It's not FAIR!">high-level monsters have high %MR. Good luck casting against a Mind Flayer with 90% MR. You do have fighters in your party, right? "b-b-b-b-but-but-REEEEEEEE!!!!"
>>97798654Mods told him to stop messing with a general, not whether some edition of D&D counts as X or as Y.>>97798521This sounds miserable to play as.
>>97798521That's pretty much a 3rd level wizard, headaches and bleeding (hp damage?) are a bit to much though. If you do insist on it, I hope you also enforce the movement mods and heat/cold exhaustion penalties on fighters for wearing armour. If you are going to cripple one class, you might as well do the same to the others.
>>97799311fuck off, fishfag
>>97798852Nope, everything prior to 3e is. pretty simple to understand>>97798712exactly.>>97799311Mods told an anon that (you) hijacking the general was their problem to solve, not his.
>>97793691Or play a better system like Palladium where you have magic points.
>>97798521That's vastly overstating things. Read the cursed earth and you'll see this is simply not true.
>>97800987Okay I like Palladium but please do not suggest it's better than whatever OSR slop. It's clunky as fuck.It also notably has the exact problem OP is talking about because you can simply cast the same spells over and over as long as you have PPE
>>97798521After a certain point it's just easier to disallow wizards if you clearly dislike them so much.
>>97801043Yeah but thats not a problem. And offensive spells are not really the beat use of a caster in Palladium Games, especially not in Rifts.Its not too clunky, its dense as fuck Ill grant but. OSR slop is just that, slop
>>97801089>thats not a problemWhy not? Palladium is dogshit to play, how is that not a mark against the system? How is this not a justified reason to say it's not better than, say, Old School Roleplay or whatever>offensive spells are not really the beat use of a caster in PalladiumSo? What does that have to do with anything anyone has said (including your previous posts)?
>>97800879>everything prior to 3e isWrong. 2e is categorically not OSR. Kill yourself, fishfag
>>97801311It is tho, foegyg
>>97801076Wizard magic should be rare and impactful. It not being so is why you have to pit your 1st level 5e party against legions of demons and liches and dragons, who still don't have a chance against your 5e characters who spew magic like artillery. Your average 5e ranger or rogue has more magical firepower than an AD&D wizard.If your mage has one Charm spell. Now you don't need a 1st level dungeon inhabited by Tiamat. You can have a few orcs, and the wizard uses his one Charm spell against their chieftan. Restrictions make the game 10x better while Millennials and Zoomies think they're being oppressed if you don't let them do anything they want whenever they want.
>>97801289>Palladium is dogshit to play, how is that not a mark against the system?But its not dog shit to play? What rule set do you not like? Specifically >So? What does that have to do with anything anyone has said (including your previous posts)?Op is bitching about a mage taking 3 fireballs, thats not really an issue in palladium games, a better system with far better writing and art.Power points/MP/PPE/mana based casting is always the way to go
>>97801317No even close. It's a shit game for storyfags, and not OSR by definition.
>>97801330>if I exaggerate to the point of clownishness it makes my point better instead of making me look utterly foolish>Restrictions make the game 10x betterOh, so how are you restricting the other classes to make them better?Or is it just the magic/wizard classes that you take issue with, as I originally stated?
>>97801340PPE causes this EXACT problem. You can use any spell as much as you want, barring material components.>which systems do you dislike?I love the non-rules content for Rifts and Splicers, so I've tried both, but they're pretty awful in play
>>97801361It's definitionly OSR albeit
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