>>97801457
>brits are so soulraped they even want their fantasy culturally enriched by street shitters and brown rape gangs
UKucks truly are cucks

If they just turn warhammer fantasy into another imperial guard simulator id be kinda disinterested in gw.

>>97801457
because they want that sweet non-existent china money

>>97801457
a terracotta army would be kinda based howeverbeit...

>>97801502
Its ugly af on the board. And a crutch.

>>97801457
The Chinese buy things. Muhammad and Rajesh don't.

>>97801521
Pretty sure China would just make their own bootleg CCP approved version then give GW money.

So lore wise, where the fuck these fuckers come from and why where they hidden until now?

>>97801544
They went to greener pastures.

>>97801544
They've always been in the lore, they've just never been expanded upon. In the end times, it's just written the orc horde destroys them all

>>97801521
I don't understand this "you can only buy models that match YOU" sentiment that people on this board have
You do not have to be a muslim to be interested in Araby; that's fucking nonsense.

>>97801604
People on this board are retarded anon, its just that simple.

I can't remember, do fantasy orkz also reproduce by spore like 40K?

>>97801740
idk ask in the general.

>>97801521
I feel like there are probably minor but still unfathomably wealthy individuals in the Arab States that probably pour money into Warhammer,. just knowing what I know of their interests and excesses.

>>97801472
You know "England" in Warhammer Fantasy are the Orcs and Goblins, right?

>>97801457
I love it.

>>97801457
>Straight fantasy Chinese
I mean, ok, but where's the fun?
Where's the spin?

>Empire and Brettonia have Pythonesque humour, zealotry and despotism
>Greenskins are violent and stupid
>Dwarfs are autistic
>Elves are too posh to exist
>Chaos is a self-defeating ball of paradoxes
>The Vamps/TK's are too arrogant to die
>Cathay are. . . .
I'm drawing a blank;
Sanitized, "inclusive" and boring?
Hardly a satisfying conclusion.

>>97802635
But anon they have primarchs and brain washing

>>97802637
Immortals are a pretty standard Chinese mythological/Wuxia trope.
And they have the brainwashing, but unlike the Empire, there's little exploration of what happens to people who fail to conform.
The Empire's whole shtick is half defined by witch-burnings and angry men in pointy hats torturing your uncle by squeezing his supernumerary nipple with sigmar's blessed nipple-clamps.

>>97802654
>Immortals are a pretty standard Chinese mythological/Wuxia trope.
Yes but usually they have to fucking work for that immortality and aren’t just primarchs
They also aren’t so fucking lame with their powers. I can’t fathom how lame wukong is in Cathay’s adaptation.

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>>97801521
Do they buy warhammer though? Seems like repeating the pandering to the modern audience problems. Did any of this lead to increased sales?

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>>97801457
>Arabia, India, or Japan
How about some REAL diversity for a change, James?

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>>97801457
its almost like there was a video game that already made all the design work for Cathay for them.

I feel like cathay doesn't fit in to some degree. They're great models but it feels like they could be from a different game.

>>97802787
>Did any of this lead to increased sales?
Considering its AoS getting end times'd and not TOW?
Yes.

>>97802902
>replaced Araby with Repanse

>>97802952
>Considering its AoS getting end times'd and not TOW?
oh well that explains why fantasy is getting enshittified now.

>>97801457
Rob the Honest Wargamer has explained the whole process of the birth of Cathay he heard from an insider at Games Workshop.
Cathay was born of the insistence of The Creative Assembly, after their video game "Total War. Three Kingdoms" based on Ancient China sold gangbusters.
Games Workshop saw the numbers and finally accepted to create a Warhammer China for them to make a game 3

>>97803365
>Rob the Honest Wargamer
It's the first time I've heard about him, but he already sounds suspicious.

>>97802952
>Considering its AoS getting end times'd and not TOW?
kek, I hate to tell you this sis but TOW is where end times came from, because the game and setting failed so badly it got axed entirely. The "revival" is a mere specialist game.

>>97802245
Akshually it's Albion, a mystical and backwater island that only exists thanks to mystical mists protecting it.

>>97801457
>Still no Arabia
The GW fears the Trukk.

>>97803478
I fucking wish gw had the balls to cover albion, druids are underrated.

>>97802962
Dangerously based.

>>97801457
How different is Japan or India from China? Isn't Cathay just general Asia flavour? Japan isn't that unique and different from India or China.

>>97803568
There have been fan-made, inofficial rules for decades, so go have a look at what people came up with.
Japan/Nippon generally had all the tropes from the Sengoku period, loads of Hero Samurai types, ninjas, dishonorabru Marienburg mercenaries
Ind had all kinds of monsters and beasts, and stuff like Tigermen (i.e., non-chaos beastmen)

Ind also had its own flavor of necromancers, and there were ORcs and Goblins with a SE Asia flavor, too.
Like Forset Goblins, but they're Viet Cong. Probably not going to happen today.

>>97803646
I should really compare and contrast what a fanmade cathay looked like compared to what....tww was.

>>97803404
Cope.

>>97803649
Pretty different if I remember the Warhammer army project stuff

>>97803568
Only official nippon army list was basically perry historical samurai with animated stone guardian dogs. I hope the rumors about a new faction coming in whatever form of fantasy will revamp that, there's a lot of cool shit they can plunge into for fantasy.

>>97803692
In some ways, yes. Since ther ewere no minis, there was nothing like those hot air balloon things, or the Terracotta giants.

But on the other hand they did have the whole Great Wall being guarded against Chaos, warring factions were a thing, a vampire faction was there, Clan Eshin was there.
And I remember reading rules for a special regiment of human-sized terracotta warriors.

>>97803713
>But on the other hand they did have the whole Great Wall
tbf thats like the one thing you would need to include when you have fantasy china so thats a middle bingo check.
>warring factions were a thing,
not in tww.
> vampire faction was there
interesting
>Clan Eshin was there.
I feel like that was already written there in official lore but who knows whether the chicken came before the egg.

>>97801457
>>Still no Arabia, India, or Japan
Creative Assembly hasn't done it for them yet

>>97803719
Clan eshin has been stated to come from cathay or nippon depending on the edition but it's fair to assume they're present in both anyway.

>>97801457
I like to think they added the chinks cause they thought they could capture the Chinese audience, that's why they made them so op lorewise, also why they don't suffer the same grim darkness of the other factions.

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>>97803712
>with animated stone guardian dogs.
>not floating Dogu with eye lasers

>>97803740
They openly stated they relied on sensitivity readers. I hate this age and hope it ends soon.

>>97803775
lol thats just so limp and lame

>>97803804
Who cares anyway, they can't stop me or anyone else from having whatever inside armies/warbands. There's already vampire monks in warcry for crying out loud.

>>97803822
>AoS does Cathay better than TOW
Holy shit how embarrassing lol

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>>97803822
No thats true but it explains to me why the cathay range is so uninspired. I remember looking at fan concept art for cathay and found it more inspiring than the bland shit they designed..

>>97803775
Funny how these "sensitivity readers" are only ever employed for non-European cultures.

>>97803844
To be fair I grew up playing dynasty warriors so having the core human element as simple blinged out humans is not that bad. You can kitbash a lot of cool stuff if you want some more fantasy elements.

>>97803859
I also love that often enough the ones responsible of asian countries are just americans with an asian grandma, like tha 1/8th chinese chick that was in charge of managing the L5R japanese setting.

>>97802635
Chinese people are very sensitive, gweilo.

>>97803478
Ackshully it's the High Elves, an island nation that was once the seat of a global empire and also they are all gay

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>>97801457
>lumping arabia and india with japan
Brown hands typed this post

>>97803719
>>warring factions were a thing,
>not in tww.
In the fan-made army book I read year ago it was essentially a variant of the Empire's provinces and nobles fighting each other, but in Cathay. And with the dissenting lords being basically princes.
They were fighting a civil war, but still meeting to have tea at court and marrying each others' sisters. Very civilized.

Also, TWW does have several Cathay factions, and I think some are at war with each other.

>Clan Eshin
Was said to be based in Cathey and Nippon since at least the 4th ed army book from the 90s, so yeah that is not new at all.

>>97803930
Araby did have an unofficial ruleset, it was partly baseed on the Ancient Battles rules.
They had camel cavalry, elephants, sorceror-caliphs, etc.
It wasn't exactly groundbreaking, but it was OK.

>>97801567
>In the end times, it's just written the orc horde destroys them all
End times is the laziest and gayest lore GW has ever written

>>97801480
I never understood catering to China.
If you make something that they might have an interest in, they will just make a knockoff like Hammer of War and carbon copy the mechanics and terms because Chinese courts will never side with foreigners in copyright or patent cases.

>>97803935
>I think some are at war with each other
Every faction can fight with any faction including itself so there's no business in saying cathay never ever has internal struggles.

>>97803873
Peak was when Marvel had a literal Mexican write a what-if around urban US African-American culture.

>>97803885
Then they can shove their chopsticks up their arse.

>>97804076
A Mexican jew*

>>97803993
Yep.
Shit, remember how before 3d printing people used to literally order bootleg Warhammer from "The Chinaman"?
They built a full scale bootleg Gundam statue at a theme park.
No fucks, or royalties given.

>>97802952
Yeah that is an interesting shitshow there.
The real question would be if the sales are in and to chinese target audience or the same whales as always.

>>97803993
>I never understood catering to China.
This is what happens when you let fresh-out-of-business-school people run your marketing.
They will go and find 'untapped markets' by pointing out that you're only selling x product per 1k people in China while you're selling 16x product per 1k people in UK/EU/US
This obviously means you can make 16 times as much money as you make now in China. So full steam ahead, maximum catering to China!
The same approach leads to 'we can sell to women', or whatever other group these 'smart' people determined is not buying your product.

This line of thinking resulted in Star Wars being marketed to girls (it crashed the brand) and in China (it didn't work becasue Chinese people don't have decades of cultural connection to Star Wars)
Marvel fell for the same trap. They also set fire to their own existing fandom for no reason.
Many vidya companies happily jumped into the same black hole. Funnily enough, teh Chinese are now buying the anmes and IPs at bargain bin prices. It's almost like they tricked the longnose idiots.

Auto makers, locomotive builders, failed in China for different reasons, but were led by idiots who also looked at spreadsheets instead of reality.

>>97804447
Oh, I forgot: This all works because a bunch of clueless investors just to see line go up, and love promises of line will go up in future.

>>97803940
seems mostly based on the Warmaster list then

>>97801604
That's the actual design philosophy in charge. Simping for perpetual ingrates who cry "it has to represent ME! it must reflect MY ideals and MY demographics!", even though they fundamentally hate what warhammer is.

>>97801457
I would have liked to have seen an Araby army with Camels, Elephants, Djinn and Flying Carpets. Instead we got whatever this is.

>>97801604
I don't think it's a board sentiment, it's just recognition that a lot of people around the world are sadly like that.
Pandering to china and building up chinese like factions more, leads to more profits.

>>97804472
But anon.
I play Lizardmen.

>>97801604
>people on this board have
>on this board
Have you not looked at literally any media over the past 15 years?

>>97804745
And you're either a south American cannibal or a fat fuck who sits in a chair all day ordering Mexicans around

>>97801457
They should have added them to 40k instead and draw from Wuxia and Xianxia.
Non-Imperium human faction led by psykers (cultivators) with robot fodder (terracotta and puppets). Keep Anti-Chaos and Dragon theme going, make them cultivate World Spirits to push chaos away as they are very slow expansionists. Drop them somewhere in the Ghoul Stars and call it a day.

>>97804955
>and draw from Wuxia and Xianxia.
Guys, guys.... listen! Chaos Warriors with shirts!

>>97804847
>:(

>>97804983
>Demonic Sects
>Evil Buddhist Chaos Space Marines
>GSC Gu bugs

>>97803930
Do you have trouble understanding things?

>>97804472
The funny thing is that this can apply to both extremes.

>>97801604
>I don't understand this "you can only buy models that match YOU" sentiment that people... have.
The amount of abstraction to understand other perspectives and find them interesting is unfortunately not very common. This combines with the aforementioned broad bandwidth marketing appeal. Make it dumber for more dumb people. Sell more units.

>>97801457
I feel like Araby and Ind could be more or less the same culture. Maybe Ind is more like Grand Punjab Lords casting spells from flying carpets and War Elephants, where as Araby is more like desert riders and assassins.

>>97806700
I've always like the idea of Ind having humans and "civilized" Beastmen living side by side.

>>97807268
I give 5 bucks to the autism fund whenever I have to do a transaction at the dmv.

>>97807268
Well good news, they're pandering to furries with that exact concept in the chink faction.

>>97803685
>Cope.
>Is the one coping.
The End Times was for fantasy, that's just the facts. Remind me which game system occupies more shelf space in GW stores?

>>97807268
Thats how its supposed to be. Old WFRP lore had beastmen mercenary regiments working for the Empire.

>>97801457
Jesus the Cathayan sentinel looks sick

>>97802654
>And they have the brainwashing, but unlike the Empire, there's little exploration of what happens to people who fail to conform.
Have you considered that is just because GW is yet to explore/expand upon Cathay more.

>>97802635
They have dragon rulers and are basically living slaves

>>97803928
Lel
All are true actually thoughbeit

>>97801472
>Noooo you can't have exotic armies!!!!
Why not just remove all armies except Bretonnians?

I personally love playing evil armies, for historical wargames I have an early Ottoman army

>>97807283
That's weird, I get 5 bucks from the autism fund when I go to the DMV.

>>97802635
>China
>But the nobility are actually immortal dragons.
>They are kind of batshit
Good enough premise, frankly.

>>97809635
>Good enough premise, frankly.
For a easily amused retard, maybe.

>>97809649
>Holy Roman Emperor + Magic
>Medieval France meets Camelot
>Dwarves but really fucking angry.
>Elves but British.
Cathay has enough going for it to not be boring, but is mundane enough that you can imagine actually living there.

>>97802787
>Did any of this lead to increased sales?
We don't know and we'll never know because GW doesn't publish sales data. Anyone claiming to know is pulling shit straight out of his ass.

>>97801457
I mean, how many aesthetic differences are there really between china and Japon?

>>97809685
Depends on the era. Most people that want Nippon just want Samurai to fight Orks.

>>97809673
>but is mundane enough that you can imagine actually living there.
oh my fucking god, I dont fucking CARE to live in a warhammer world, this kind of thinking is propagated by the biggest fucking dunces that there can be, on par with fucking self inserters even. I want a good story, thats all warhammer has to provide, if I wanted to find a place where I could self insert it in, or think about its governance, its taxes, I would delve into litteraly anything fucking else that isnt owned by gw, or to generalize, a company thats looking to sell toys.

Also no, I dont give a fuck about your shitty not imperium (with a mix of tau in it) faction. Read any chinese fiction, ideally one thats been banned by the goverment, and you'll see just how lack luster cathay is by comparison.

>>97809685
>>97809696
Also it kind of depends on the social class. There's even differences between the aesthetics of different Chinese dynasties and dominant cultures.

But yeah, no one really cares about the minutiae.

>>97809635
It's a strong enough foundation, but it hasn't been fleshed out very well.

>>97809673
>Dwarfs but Yorkshiremen.
Fify

>>97803993
It's what happens when you have near infinite production power. Maybe the west shouldn't have shipped every factory over to China.

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>>97801457
You know what would be great?

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>>97809760
You don't even have to invent a grimmdark twist, these guys were already bloodthirsty.

>>97809760
>>97809765
... you know lizardmen and amazons are already a thing right?

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>>97809765
Some jaguar warriors would be cool.

>>97809704
I do care because the fundamental appeal of Warhammer to me is a pseudo historical setting combined with fantastical elements. The human civilizations have to be believable, if only because from a hobby perspective I like to show up with actual historical models.

If you just want over the top fantasy and cool models, age of sigmar is that way.

>>97809723
To be fair, they've had more development in the last few years than they've had in decades.

>>97809785
>you know lizardmen
They disappeared in the 4th edition only to reappear and then go into space.

>amazons
Not even Games Workshop remembers they exist.

>>97804465
Possible. I never played that, and only read through the rulebook twenty or more years ago.

>>97809849
>The human civilizations have to be believable, if only because from a hobby perspective I like to show up with actual historical models.
Almost had me, thanks for the laugh.

>>97801457
Fantasy China is at least cool as an idea. Would you buy an army of street shitters?

>>97809673
>but is mundane enough that you can imagine actually living there.
You're out of your mind if you think that. The Warhammer universe is inherently horrible to live in, regardless of where you live in it

>>97810663
He didn't say it'd be a good life, just that it's a believable society