Welcome to /2eg/, a thread dedicated to all things 2nd Edition D&D related - including settings, lore, modules, and derived systems (Alternity, Buck Rogers XXVc, For Gold and Glory, Hackmaster, Myth and Magic, and more).Since 2e draws heavily from earlier editions, older modules are welcome too. Other media derived from AD&D (such as Infinity Engine video games) also has a home here.It's what you play, not how you play it. RAW or homebrew, as long as your table is having fun, there's no wrong way to play.There's a surprisingly complete 2e fan wiki for rules stuff, it's excellent for quick reference:https://adnd2e.fandom.com/wiki/Advanced_Dungeons_%26_Dragons_2nd_Edition_Wikiad&d 2e archiveaHR0cHM6Ly93ZWIuYXJjaGl2ZS5vcmcvd2ViLzIwMjUwMjA0MTczNzUwL2h0dHBzOi8vdGhlLWV5ZS5ldS9wdWJsaWMvQm9va3MvcnBnLnJlbS51ei9EdW5nZW9ucyUyMCYlMjBEcmFnb25zL0FEJkQlMjAybmQlMjBFZGl0aW9uLw==Remember to keep things civil.Thread Question - why the 2e hate?
>>97806516>Remember to keep things civil.>Thread Question - why the 2e hate?lol, good-faith thread, folks
The 2e hate comes from a tiny clique of faggots that have made the /osrg/ their primary residence. Hating 2e is just one of their ticks, they're really just filled with all kinds of hate and faggotry.
>>97806569thank you
Do you useSkills & Powers or Corebook only?Kits?NWP?
>>97806516>Thread Question - why the 2e hate?Indifference more than hate. There hasn't been enough anons playing any 2nd ed to keep a general rolling ever. Its just not that good a game. Lots of great source material, art, inspiration, monsters, settings, etc. but the game itself is less good at osr style dungeon crawling and less good at power fantasy sotry or character build games that came after.
>>97806648>>97806569DECISIVE BROSR VICTORY
>>97806744>the game itself is less good at osr style dungeon crawlinghow exactly? to my knowledge 2e and earlier games are very mechanically similar to the point old modules could be used with 2e with little to no changes. it's my understanding that the biggest changes were a different tone, some stuff removed because of the satanic panic, and some rule clean ups.
>>97807123You're asking a troll to shit on your plate.
>>97807147Maybe he wants the poo poo platter
>>97807147>>97807314fuck off fishfag
>>97807323>you can't even make a poop joke in these threads without retards losing their shit.
>>97806516Fuck off with your bad faith troll thread.
>>97807537Why don't you fuck off with the crying like a little bitch baby?
>>97806516Is there an OSRIC like clone of 2e that has all of the rules consolidated into one tome?
>>97807694For Gold and Glory is one.https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/156530/for-gold-glory
Thoughts on the unofficial AD&D 3e?Pros and Cons
>>97806516>Thread Question - why the 2e hate?I like 2e I've participated constructively in multiple discussions here, and intend to keep doing so. I only hate fishfag because he keeps using 2e as an excuse to disrupt conversation on /osrg/.
>>97808832I checked it out years ago.Cons: There's no point to it, rhyme, or reason to it.Pros: None I can remember.
Are there any official (UA included) methods of casting without using spell slots? I dont mean spell points, but things like ritual casting, maybe using up hp or stats, stuff that a vancian caster could do
>>97806516Tell me about Council of Wyrms, please.
>>97806516>why the 2e hate?Abilities and that dart thing
>>97809226Runecasters were a separate thing, some takes on the Shaman also worked a bit differently. There were also Sha'irs in the Al-Qadim campaign who sent their genie familiars to borrow spells from planars. Also I think there were Alchemists in a Ravenloft book that carried potions to be used as spells? That's from the top of my mind.>>97809451It's set in islands where dragons still rule. PCs get to play as dragons, but they also keep some more regular PCs (like, vassals of the dragon character) on the side, like, to play while the dragon sleeps to age up. If I recall each level corresponding to an age.
>>97809827To clarify I meant "options to cast a spell without using a slot", not just casting variants
This is the weirdest spell point system I know.First allocate spell points, Takes x points to memorise as "fixed magic" any single spell of a certain level. For 2x points it's "free magic", choose any other spell of that level at time of casting.>30 points>magic missile 4 (fixed)>1st level spell 8 (free)>invisibility 6>free 2nd level 12You don't forget spells ever, even when cast. You can change your list every day by studying but otherwise it doesn't change.When you cast, cast any allocated spell you know as long as you have points to pay. You could cast invisibility five times at 6 points each. For 24 points use 2nd level free magic to cast Melf's acid arrow twice, or stinking cloud and spectral hand once each.That leaves 6 points. You could cast invisibility. Or (optional rule) an over powered magic missile (50% extra to cast as if you were one level higher). Or (optional rule) a penalised chill touch. 1st level spell costs 8 points but 25% less for reducing your casting level or increasing casting time.That seems awkward, and it is, but it gets worse.Casting causes spell fatigue. Casting when fatigued makes the fatigue effect of the new spell worse. To recover one step of fatigue save vs paralyzation, once per round for light and moderate, per turn for heavy, per hour for severe.30 spell points would be a 4th level wizard. Casting a 2nd level spell causes this wizard heavy fatigue, -2 to hit, +1 AC, move at 25% normal. If he casts another 2nd level spell when already heavily fatigued, the normal heavy fatigue effect is worsened two steps to mortal. If he was heavily fatigued, a 1st level spell (normally causing moderate) would cause severe. If severely fatigued, another 1st level spell would also go to mortal.Mortal fatigue means save vs paralyzation or die. If successful, unconscious for 1d6 hours, wake up severely fatigued. Two or three little spells in an hour, 13/20 chance of failing a save and dying.I like 2e--but this goes too far.
>>97809891Is it from Spells & Magic?>>97809850I think that still sorta leaves you the Sha'ir (it sucks though, if I recall he can only keep one spell at a time for casting, and it takes at least one round for the familiar to get him another), and one version of the Shaman, I have to reread it though. I think the spirits can allow him to cast some spells at will.The Runecaster can also use runes at will, but their effects aren't identical to spells and takes a bit of time to carve the runes.
>>97809451In addition to what >>97809827 mentioned, you could also play as humans who wanted to kill all dragons. I remember there's a pretty nice warrior kit for killing dragons, and I imagine there's one for spellcasters too (although I don't recall since I've never really been into casters - even if I got a Paladin to caster levels I wouldn't really bother, and to my detriment I even forgot about being able to Turn Undead).
>>97809226Does it have to be official? There's plenty good options for that that are fully compatible with 2e.
>>97814019>Does it have to be official?Yes
>>97809891I don't know if I made it clear enough that if you want to to cast a level 1 spell you either have to allocate 4 points to a particular spell, or 8 points to free cast (free as in choice, not free as in beer) 1st level. If you don't allocate to something, you can't spend points on it. Like you could allocate all your points to a few level 2 spells and be unable to cast level 1 at all.>>97810574>Is it from Spells & Magic?Yes, it's the Channeller casting method.I've wasted time re-reading so here's the warlock/witch method with mathematics. It uses the same sort of spell allocation with memorised spells costing x points, and others of that level costing 2x.The drawback is that you have a percentage chance, spell points minus caster level minimum 1%, to have to increase the strength of his pact with his evil patron, get stage 5 and he becomes an NPC. There's a chance to save which is breath weapon penalised by the level of pact about to be suffered.My quick model suggests that by level 13 the warlock has a just over 50% chance of accumulating the five stages of pact that make him an NPC, 75% at level 14, 90% at level 15. 99.99% at level 19.I don't the threat really kicks in till about level 9 level 9, 1 in 30level 10, 1 in 13level 11, 1 in 6level 12, 1 in 3.These aren't absolute truths, I had to make several assumptions like how many spells cast (based off daily spell points available at each level and XP to go up level), how many were fixed or free.A modified set of assumptions led tolevel 8, 1 in 30level 9, 1 in 13level 10, 1 in 5level 11, 1 in 2.5level 12, 70% (better than 50%)level 13, 90%level 16, 99.96%which is a few levels faster so my models weren't wildly sensitive to the assumptions.There are some bonuses and penalties at each stage but people can read those for themselves if they want. It's an interesting idea, better than the channeller.
>>97806516I don't hate 2e, but I also don't see the reason to ever play it. It's incredibly cumbersome, and THAC0 became a meme for a reason.
>>97814974>became a meme for a reason.That reason being stupid people couldnt read, then stupider people repeated rhetoric
>>97815203More fun to roll high number, cry about it.
>>97815345Dude, I'm not that guy you replied to but still gotta ask what your post about rolling high means. The goal of THAC0 is rolling high to hit, just like THACO and attack matrices. Rolling high doesn't mean rolling under the influence of drugs like how you're posting right now.
>>97815396Are you on crack, we both know what THAC0 is.
>>97815412Yeah, I know what THAC0 is, that's why I'm asking you what you meant by more fun to roll high number when you want to roll high in 2e regardless of using THAC0 or attack matrix.>Are you on crackLame, I already did the drug joke.
>be me, 1999, Arizona>want to play some DnD>here about RPGA>go to Convention, make badass specialty priest of Selune cleric, ready to dominate>DM some guy with long brown hair>goes okay>DM says, the party is suddenly attacked by leaping wizards!>whole table laughs>rofl.jpg gonna kick these nerds asses>first wizard puts most of the party to sleep>Second wizard charms the thief>Third wizard cast ray of enfeeblement on fighter>Shit hit fan.jpg>2 wizards battle the fighter, other wizard starts attacking us while we're asleep>Kills our wizard moves on to me>Wizard keeps hitting until my head is mashed potatoes>DM cackles, "Take that shit heads!">Furious.exe>Go to Regional coordinator tell him my character died>Regional coordinator tells me my anger is justified and that DM will never host a game ever again.Have fun never playing DnD you smug asshole
>>97815345>More fun to roll high numberI never said otherwise
>>97809827>>97813416Thanks. I'm brewing my own dragon RPG and turns out I came up with pretty much the same leveling through gold and sleeping as in Council. Guess I'll find a PDF and dig into the book more.
>>97815475GM was right
>>97814974>THAC0 became a meme for a reasonThere's lots of legitimate reasons someone might not like 2e, but you went ahead and picked the one that outs you as a literal retard who can't do subtraction. Congratulations.
>>97807537>>97807689Fishfag just admitted he was the one who created this thread:https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97805822/#q97807423>>97806516>TQ:Once more, for the record: Nobody hates 2e, but everybody hates (You), fishfag, and we would be happy if you got lung cancer.This having been said, I'm glad there's a /2eg/ thread active, and hopefully the next time it won't have an OP that is fishfag's flamebait.
>>97816306That post was made before this thread was, and your fishfag is not actually an individual, it's just what you call everyone who disagrees with you in your quest to shittify this board. You really need to stop taking every opportunity to try and build up your mythology.
>>97816620>That post was made before this thread wasBullshit. Picrel.>I'm more than one person.Sure, fishfag. Sure.
>>97816095There's another retard in here who cannot into high numbers, so I win.
>>97817776lol okay, i guess
>>97807123>a different tone, some stuff removed because of the satanic panic, and some rule clean ups.There's small, distinct mechanical differences as well, gold for XP being the biggest and most important one.Still, the difference in tone is enough to make it separate. Same way that, say, 3.5 and d20 modern are different games even if you could use them both in the same campaign.
>>97816306fishfag didn't actually make this thread. I was unironically asking why 2e seemed to get so much hate in the osr thread (granted i didn't have all the context). And i am happy with the answers im getting to the question and how calm the thread actually is. That boomer thread getting highjacked was sad
>>97817919>I was unironically asking why 2e seemed to get so much hate in the osr thread (granted i didn't have all the context).I'm one of several Anons who post both here and on /osrg/ regularly.If you're asking about the /osrg/ thread specifically, it's because we've had a troll infesting that general every single day for years, who uses 2e as an excuse to troll us. He's admitted several times that his actual reason is that he thinks all /osrg/ posters are alt-right. Years down the line, shitting on 2e has become a meme on /osrg/ to get that troll to shut up, but most people don't actually hate it, at least not as much as they say for the lulz.>That boomer thread getting highjacked was sadThe same troll has recently started to create bait threads, and that "boomer thread" you just mentioned is one of the examples. He did it after the mods told him to leave /osrg/ alone on IRC, so he decided to start trolling /osrg/ "from the outside". Not sure what you mean by hijacking, given the goal of that thread was to flamebait /osrg/ posters: It's doing exactly what the troll meant it to do.Now of course there's a couple regular posters on /osrg/ who actually do really dislike 2e, but as you can see even they don't generally go out of their way to shit this place up.Now that I said this, you can expect a string of fishfag false flag attacks, which should be recognisable by the fact that he's literally retarded and unable to simulate the type of discussion non-subhumans have.
