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An updated Logan Sled
Your honest thoughts?
Let Chaos idols take this thread!
>>97820951sexy female daemonettes instead of the herm crap GW came up with.
Imperial Fists primaris intercessors
>>97820962Yep. Sure is a Commissar with a Power Klaw. That's definitely what Yarrick is.
>>97820962Decent model, demerit for tactical rocks, would have been more effective as a follow-up to the 11th edition launch box 6 months later along with a Steel Legion kill team to keep interest fresh.
>>97820962omg it yarik hiiiiii
Reposting my most recently completed model from last thread.....
>>978209952/4 behind
>>97820995You did a really fine job on this and its a vast improvement on your previous models, not trying to blow smoke up your fat black ass or anything.
>>97820942The issue is that the title of that game is still a modifier on Warhammer, so the real vanilla Warhammer would be a contemporarily set game
>>97820995>>978210003/4 profile
>>97821000forgot pic lol
>>97820995>>97821006>>97821011last one!>>97821002wth im not fat :[
>>97821016A fat ass is not a bad thing sista
Why is winning a duel such a Sisyphean task for Leman Russ? For a son of the Emperor he has no right to job so much.
>>97821024You really don’t have any business speaking on Primarch matters after you’ve exposed yourself as a lorelet retard with your statement.
>>97821016>didn't deny being blackWhere's that crazy racist ass dude who reckons there's no coloured people playing warhams?
Post Models even if they are a wip
>>97821031
>>97821026>reads lore summaries
>>97820951>TQHuman bombs.I think they can be done now with the Krieg Engineer's remote mine.I remember an anon who made a beastman human bomb and I'm copying it with some STL editing. Assuming Blender doesn't break me.>>97820981>that picI sincerely get your complaints about the boards for 10th edition.And I think it will only get worse mostly because there isn't even an effort to "hide" the "L shaped" terrain. At least make them look nice. I'm at the point where I'd rather have an unfair board in favour of my opponent then a sterile ugly one that is fair for both parties.>that whole necron scenarioI would hate to be that guy and the guy against a player like that. >The game itself, mechanically, has a lot fewer points of contentionDo you think it is a worthy sacrifice of "flavourful rules" if it means less disputes at the tables?Lastly how do you feel about the 40k community these days since it's rocket in popularity compared to the oldhammer days? Sorry if these questions are a little weird. I don't get many opportunities to ask these sorts of things with a genuine grog.
>>97821027my dad is half black and my mom is pure Spanish...ig that makes me like 1/4 black?
>>97821026>Primarch>with a capital P
>>97820995>>97821011>>97821016He BLACK!
>>97821041>1/4 blackOh hey same here lmao, one of my grandparents is from the carribbean and then the other three are pasty white yuros so I'm whitewashed af. Have curly negro hair and tan easily though
>>97821045like the space wolves?
>>97821040>At least make them look nice. I'm at the point where I'd rather have an unfair board in favour of my opponent then a sterile ugly one that is fair for both parties.NTA but I prefer fair games, most tables I've ever played on before 10th looked like crap anyways
>>97821054daz rite
>>97821054Considered the Whitest chapter btw>>97821062
>>97820951TQ Malanthropes, pariahs, the old metal ven dread
>>97820995How come you went with the Slave to Darkness mini on the base, anon? Plan to use this model in both systems, or just liked the look of him better?
>>97821053im pale white with freckles picrel. what army do you play? i have multiple
You've been asking for it, so here it is.https://files.catbox.moe/vniwl9.pdfAlso, there's this.https://files.catbox.moe/zt5wm0.pdf
>>97821074i like the look better to be honest with you
>>97821069>Considered the Whitest chapterthat the raven guard though
>>97821081oh?
>>97821080
>>97821027I'm asian if that still counts for being colored in 2026.
Did they confirm the deity legions will be able to take daemons without being limited to one detachment in 11th?My LGS still has the recent AoS Tzeentch battleforce box
>>97821114we don't really know much about soup in 11e but I suspect it will be on the menu
>>97820962It's pretty good, not as good as the metal midhammer rendition but that's to be expected for CADslop
>>97821081>custom Tyranid bio-form charactersfucking kino Interesting way to bring back kitbashing leaders without a model of their exact weapons while getting around the chapter house bullshit
>>97821069They're tied for the blackest chapter.
>>97821069Yes Wolfbro, I am aware. However, I am sure you are also aware that the 50%~ shares held by globalist oy veys and saudis and other rich motherfuckers demand that da wolves be blacked by BBC. I'm sorry, but it's true. Don't worry though every faction has been getting a good unlubed grippy ride on the DEI horse cock dildo GW has prepared for us.The only faction safe are the Orkz. (and Hrud)
>>97821081Jokes on you I spent $60 getting the collectors box set at my lgs and my Sentinel Commander fucks shit up
>>97821080>snapchat>mobile niggerAnon are you drunk or just a LARPing tranny
>>97820962Stupid nonsense floor is lava crap that epitomises the soullessness of modern GW intern sculptors.
Armies that exist, and should:>Space Marines>Necrons>Tyranids>Death Guard>Imperial Guard>Chaos Space Marines>Dark Angels>World Eaters>Blood Angels>Tau>Orks>Aeldari>Thousand Sons>Sisters of Battle>DrukhariArmies that should exist, but don't:>ExoditesArmies that should just be in another army/exist as detachments:>Imperial Knights>Imperial Agents>Chaos Daemons>Chaos Knights>Grey Knights>Deathwatch>Harlequins>Eldar CorsairsArmies that shouldn't exist at all and just be lore things:>Adeptus Custodes>Genestealer CultsArmies that justify their independent existence, but only just barely:>Adeptus Mechanicus>Space Wolves>Leagues of Votann>Black TemplarsArmies that shouldn't exist, and don't:>Dark Mechanicus>Lost and Damned
>>97820974The palm trees and sand really clash with the gothic architecture.
>>97821147a word salad of buzzwords to announce you're a tourist
How popular is your army?
>>97821114I too enjoy thousand sons
>>97821162I can’t believe the Knights are this low, it just can’t be
>>97821158Looks like your AI prompt didn't parse properly.
>>97821162What is the criteria for this cropped image of a spreadsheet?
>>97821162Why are Grey Knights unpopular? They're just psychic teleporting space marines.
If Iron Warriors become separate from generic CSM what units should they get?
>>97821162>#2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D02111Z4k4
>>97821179How many games were registered as being played with that army on a GW app.
>>97821168Pysker dred soon
>>97821183Tyrant Siege Terminators.
>>97821178ironic coming from you rajesh
>>97821183An obliterator/mutilator lord.
>>97821162>Tau more popular than EldarI mean I suspected so, but it's still weird
>>97820962
>>97821188Cool. CSM are my guys.>>97821171I think that despite Knights' presence in the meta [insert ominous thunder sound effect here], they are a less popular army because they're a rather anomalous among 40k armies as a large-models only force, and they tend to turn every game into a skew game. They have a specific appeal in an army game that is mostly about having a good several dozen models organized into squads and vehicles.
>>97821215YarraY if he ozempic
>>97821215Show me rickkcir
>>97821215Can he defeat Napoopan?
>>97821215>>97821222
>>97821230Kciick is stronger.
>>97821215>>97821230I dare someone to run these crucible characters.
>>97821230I wanted orange. It gave me lemon-lime.
>>97821031kitbashing my collage entry
>>97821244That's terror.
>>97820962Hat too small.
>>97821031I only play 3rd edition, so these will be combat squads with vet sergeants.
>>97821265reddit
>>97821230>>97821236
>>97821031VERY wip, I saw they brought back dark host so I thought it would be a good time to finally finish off my exalted possessed kitbash that's been on ice for too long.Base model is Skarr Bloodwrath, trying to figure out what i should add so he actually looks like a space marine beyond a powerpack.
>>97821213Tau are nafoids and reddit faction of 40k. Eldar are niche jobbers and punching bags
>>97821244I do not get out of the way!
>>97821267
>>97821230>>97821215Powerful
>>97821289Damn, TWO staves?!
>>97820962Yarrick is the precursor to primarch-wank.Good model tho.
I have never understood this thread's hatred of named characters, for me it has always broke immersion more to see a bad conversion of a named character than to just have someone run that character out of the box
What kits have some sweet ass power swords to give an Inquisitor? Technically I want to give a redemptionist deacon two power swords but all I have are tactical marine ones which are kinda chunky for a lil t3 guy
>>97821306It's only a few /v/ermin trying to fit in
>>97821289>>97821230>>97821215READ
Tell me how much you like Crucible.
>>97821031Based my pink horrors a couple days ago, not had much chance to paint since then. Paint job on them was done years ago, don't worry about the terrible drybrush work lol
>>97821031I LIKE ORKS :D
>>97821306I bet there's a lot you don't understand.
>>97821170is that an old weirdboy? ive never seen one before, looks pretty cool
>>97820962Looks fine, same as the old model.
>>97821147>Stupid nonsense floor is lava crapYou know, you can always just not use the tactical rocks.
>>97821114I don't know honestly, they haven't settled the Chaos Daemons question yet. If they do remove them as a faction, then they will definitely do as you say, but it seems like they're hesitating on pulling the trigger. Either way I'd avoid that box, everything but the Lord of Change sucks since they took OC away from Blue Horrors.
>>97821168Is that just straight up the terrain from age of sigmar
>>97821230
>>97821353its from the 8e codex (I had to extract the pages and redraw some parts) but possibly
>>97821183Honestly hope they don't, they'd be a great test case for more complex detachments. I'd honestly like it if there were less factions and codices, but with detachments that overhaul the factions core rules more.
>>97821306But anon, bad conversions of named character models would be far less frequent if GW did more generic HQ units and less named characters. Y'see in the past, James would release a faction's line of minis with at least one generic commander that came in a kit usually with a bunch of optional bitz, this ofc covered most if not all wargear they could be fielded with and allowed you to personalise /your HQ/. Nowadays they launch all these subfactions with only a named character HQ, so what are people meant to do? You're getting mad at the solution rather than the problem
>>97821389what faction has dropped with no generic HQ's?
>>97821396Nta, and it’s not really an answer to your question, but space wolves dropped with like 2 generic characters, who got completely overshadowed by like 5-7 named characters afterwards and made me kinda wanna avoid space wolves. Well one of the reasons to avoid them.
>>97821396Uh anon? Red Corsairs just released, you haven't forgotten right? If one wants to make a /their dudes/ warband of them their primary options are either...>buy Huron and retinue, convert one to a generic lord (badwrong in anon's eyes)>buy a standard CSM HQ but these are all super warped and spiky and don't really fit Red Corsairs
>>97821416reave captain, retard-kun
>>97821416Reave-Captain, and red corsairs aren't a standalone army
>>97821422>>97821426Fair enough, forgot about him. Still would want more than that but I suppose it's something
>>97821416>Red Corsairs just releasedThose literally got their own generic captain model released in the wave too.
>>97821410so they have a stand alone HQ then, I don't see the issue. I think logan grimnars new model looks sick and trying to make it an off-brand Terminator Captain is way more imersion breaking than just running logan grimnar
>>97821438Eh idc. Personally I think named characters are just gay. I’d take crucible shit over some retarded faggot that can’t die in the narrative over any daybofnthwbeeek.
>>97821445everyone can die, if lore actually mattered theres other things you can pick out
>>97820951>What old models do you think will never be returned but you want to see anyways?Tactical squads.
>>97821470powersquatting always looked bad
>>97821478Truth, tactical squads are still based thoughbeit
When are GSC going to get a named character? We have to run one particular detachment to be able to run one (maybe two soon)
>>97821470but they're still around?
>>97821485I have no hope they will survive to see 11th.
>>97821478So fix their proportions without changing the entire design or how the unit works.
LIVE, MY BELOVED! LIVE!
>>97821306In previous editions named characters were just a basic hq with some kind of fluffy niche rule. Nowadays they gave them such powerful rules you're actively handicapping yourself if you don't take at least one. Back then wargear, warlord traits and relics also allowed to make your own custom characters often more flexible and useful than the named ones but all of that was removed. Nevermind all the factions/subfactions literally designed around a named character.
>>97821497I think the design philosophy has changed, and tactical squads aren't gonna be a thing anymore. Allowing so many options on your troops choice is just asking for trouble,
>>97821510NTA, and named characters are inherently bad because?
>>97821521That's just stupid, most armies have their core troop work exactly like tacticals, even new ones.
>buy mutilators and defiler detachmentsAre they good?
>>97821522Because if handled like they are in 10th it means less variety in armies as everyone will have the exact same dude in every game instead of each player having their own custom ones.
>>97821528anon the game is balanced more than it ever has been you can run whatever you want.
>>97821527>2 NL detachments>3 red corsair detachments>now this Wish they didn't make those extremely redundant detachments
>>97821530I don't need to play the game to know it's shit.
>>97821530>anon the game is balanced more than it ever has beenBut at what cost?
>>97821544>I don't play the gameThank you anon, we will take your valuable feedback into consideration
>>97821530The game has "balance" in terms of at least one list has 45-55% winrate at tournaments. Internal balance has been shittier than ever all edition and every single one of those "balanced" lists has a named character.
>>97821555>But at what cost?tactical squads
>>97821542>just give 5++ to vehiclesHelbrute bros, is it our time?
>>97821555no real cost?
>>97821478Chad squat > rock hopping and/or tripping over
>>97821561do you have any statistics to back that up?
>>97821521I dunno, they just kind of revived Deathwatch, and their whole thing is Tactical Squads. Looking at Infantry they've put out since 2020 though, it seems to be a mixed bag. Eldar Corsair Voidscarred for example have a ton of weapon optionn, and three pieces of war gear.
>>97821585retard
Marines don't get proper options in their units because they are the dedicated newbie retard containment faction. Accept this or play a real army instead of making your personality bitching about oldmarines.
The problem isn't named characters, the problem is the lack of customization.You generic captain, sorcerer etc are beholden to their single datasheet rule and if it's just bad you're basically forced to run named characters.Generic IG characters are ran all over the place but generic eldar or custodes characters are unusable dogshit.
I don't even get the hate for named characters, it seems like some autistic obsession people have
>>97821614Marines managed to be the newbie faction and also the best selling faction with tacticals outselling entire other armies for decades while still having thise options.
>>97821637I just prefer that the game be more Your Dudes centric.
>>97821639And then GW made Primaris and made even more money then they ever did before.
>>97821527Warpstrike Champs is pretty nutty. You can pick up all your terminators, with a bunch of enhancements that augment deep strike, and amazing strategems, including a 1 CP Advance and Shoot AND Charge. I want to play this, but I have no chaos lords in terminator armor, so I'm probably just going to go pick up some saturnine ones like I was planning and convert em. Arkifane is just watere down soulforged warpack but it works with tanks and hellbrutes too.
>>97821624IG takes generic hqs because they need several for their orders. They are all still taking Creed, Dreir or Lord Solar.
>>97821644>Arkifane is just watered down soulforged warpackHow do you mean?
>>97821647>They are all still taking... Dreirlol
>>97821643Genuinely do you believe that's because intercessors can't take a plasmagun or because GW implemented a huge number of company policy changes like, and IMO this is most important, having actual marketing?
>>97821647>Dreir
>>97821637old = good new = bad Named Characters were invented during Gathering Storm after GW saw marvel movies
>>97821652Yes, I absolutely believe GW making shit easier for new players is a reason why they make more money now.
>>97821654No one had problems with named characters in 8th or 9th (except WE being designed around taking Angron or Guilliman's parking lot). It's entirely an issue with 10th's format of giving special rules to literally every single datasheet, nuking wargear options for characters, nuking warlord traits and relics and buffing named characters to hell and back while also removing the FOC that put a limit on HQs.
>>97821669How is it making it easier for them? New players loved tacticals or else they wouldn't be the best selling kit ever. The concept of one in every 5 dudes getting a cool special weapon isn't complicated.
>>97821671People here did, any issue you can imagine, people pointed out at 8th during its lauch. It is only in hindsight that anyone here says that "index only 8th" was good
>>97821624The problem for sisters is both. There's zero reason Vahl shouldn't have been "canoness in paragon warsuit" with options or that Junith shouldn't have been "canoness on floating pulpit" with options or whatever the new one is called shouldn't have been "dogmata on judgement throne" with options.
>>97821673New players don't like having to do research to figure out which special weapon is the best.
Am I that guy if I bring three riptides to a game?
>>97821637GW are the ones with the aitistic obsession.
>>97821036
>>97821674People had all sorts of problems with 8th but named characters weren't a big problem outside of shit like Guilliman or the other primarchs at some points. Almost every named character in 8th had the exact same statline as the HQ version and either a slightly different rule or a niche fluffy rule. They were there mostly for flavour.
>>97821671>No one had problems with named characters in 8th or 9thlmao
>>97821031Really need to make some progress, luckily the double bank holiday means I have two extra days this weekened
Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
>>97821678You don't need to do any research and newbies are not doing any lmao
>>97821649Soulforge Warpack has stronger bonuses for vehicles, but it's exclusive to Daemon Engines instead of including all vehicles in it's rules, so the detachment is more specialized. If you're looking to run Defilers, it's the better choice.
>>97821673>New players loved tacticals (when there were far less of them and they stuck around for a shorter period of time) Almost nobody loved shit like buying two devestator squads in order to get an actually useful unit, it was always tedious BS, and "oops you built your unit wrong" is a good way to get a new player to drop buying 40k immediately.
>>97821697And for pure vehicles, is the felhammer siegehost better?
>>97821723The solution to that is putting more guns in the kit or to do like 30k and make weapon upgrades, not to destroy the unit. And that has nothing to do with tacticals. I doubt new players enjoy having three dozen squads they don't know how to choose between.
red terror datasheet and pre order WHEN?!>that fucking captcha
>>97821031Been working on a squad of tacticals + a Predator recently.
>>97821643Primaris actually not looking like squatting retardo kids in power armor is why it sells well.Most people buying marines dont autistically look at their loadout rules, just how they look like.
>>97821734In my opinion yeah, but the Arkifane one's strategems and enhancements can probably do some crazy shit with predators. So someone might make a 6 predator list that shuts me up, but I think a tank-heavy Felhammer list probably does better.
>>97821762Why do newfags try so hard to rewrite history?Space marines have always historically sold like hotcakes.
>>97821031>>97821546And done. I went too heavy on the blood though.
>>97821743God bless you. I want to get myself a couple of rhinos but I'm holding off to see if they are still gonna be around in 11th.
>>97821770Why do 4chan retards cant read properly?>And then GW made Primaris and made even MORE money then they ever did before.>More money>MORE money Lets do a little bit of math lesson. Bear with me, it could be rough but I believe even a subhuman retard like you can manage.Older Space marines sells like hotcakes, they sell a LOT. Promaris space marines sells MORE than older space marines.Does that mean older space marines never sold well? No. But primaris sells so much more, because they look better.Lets take another example. 1000 green apples is a LOT of apples, but 10 000 red apples is even MORE apples. That means, even if a lot of people like greed apples, even MORE people like red apples.Can you understand this simple equation?
>>97821801NTA but I can't imagine primaris sell proportionately better than space marines had already been selling. There's just a bigger playerbase due to more mainstream exposure. Models aside, think of it this way. Look at 10th. GW's marketing says it's simple and easy to get into, newfags believe them and try the game. Is 10th the simplest version of the game? Or the better? Far from it on both. But that's what GW's marketing says so that's what newfags hear. 90% of newfags haven't seen space marines before and the appeal of primaris isthe exact same appeal classic marines always had: big space men with big armour and big pauldrons. I can assure you that if primaris never existed and all those newfags had seen classic marines with modern proportions they would have bought the same, because they literally don't know the difference.
>>978217372 boxes for one unit makes it a scam
>>97821821buying models is also a scam I assume.
>>97821821This is the mentality that has lead GW to remove any option not explicitely in the kit and to force weird schizo loadouts on kits. Models are there to represent the units from the rules, not the opposite.
>>97821836I think options should only be whats in the box to begin with.
the ambull bears a certain resemblance to the Big Hrud. If it wasn't obviously going to be like 80 bucks for one model, making a kill team of watchers in the dark as the little Hrud and an ambull as the big one would be interesting.
>>97821839I think modelless wargear should comeback, like conversion beamers, so people have more opportunities to convert.
>>97821836GW didn't do that for players' benefit. They did it because Kirby was seething about 3rd party bits sellers being "leeches" and they'd rather cut off their nose to spite their face. Same reason models are all cut up retarded now.
i like orks :D do you like orks, anon? :D
>>97821839Kits should at least be able to build a basic loadout and ideally have the bits for other loadouts, but if there's some limitation (like with devastator type units, they can never cram that many weapons in a single kit) then those should be availiable somewhere to kitbash. But the current 10th edition limitations are stupid as hell. Take Chosen for example. They are a clear example of rules being written to represent the models instead of being written to make sense, then using the models to represent the rules. They have a basic loadout but then have a ton of strangely written wargear options that, since there's no point costs, end up making the unit a schizo nightmare of a mixed loadout. Instead, the options should look a bit more like this:>for every 5 models, 2 can replace their bolt pistol for a plasma pistol OR replace their boltgun for a combi weapon>the chosen champion can replace their accursed weapon with a power fist or a pair of lightning clawsThat way you can have the unit tailored better for melee (by taking the pistols and the sergeant special melee weapon) or for range (by taking the combis and leaving out the sergeant special weapons to save points). Right now if you're not taking a mixed loadout with every single bit in the box you're wasting points for absolutely no benefit and it makes building and planning the unit a lot more boring aswell as making it play a lot slower with 6 different dice rolls one by one.
>>97821858Conversions for conversions' sake aren't true conversions
>>97821881Thank god one of my favorite recasters has extra Cyclone Missile Launchers available in his catalog (the horus heresy ones) or else I could never actually do my Deathwatch terminators.
>>97821882That's most retarded statement i've seen all day, and i've just seen the mutants posts.
>>97821839Why?
>>97821897because it doesn't require research to buy into an army, someone doesn't have to know that in order to kit out the unit you actually have to buy this box because it comes with an extra sprue
Why is GW treating Necron with such kiddie gloves? When Orks, Eldar or Sisters were overpowered they got punted into the fucking sun.
>>97821306>for me it has always broke immersion more to see a bad conversion of a named character than to just have someone run that character out of the boxbut your immersion is fine with roboute or whoever showing up to some effectively small scale battle and potentially dying
>>97821904C'tan being OP makes sense and is intuitive for almost any player.
>>97821911>But your immersion is fine with roboute or whoever showing up to some effectively small scale battle and potentially dyingyeah its just a game, in other games, really bad mods will also break my immersion.
>>97821915rotate an apple in your head
>>97821919Can't, all I see is a wumpa fruit.
>>97821031Very cool mini, but the painting experience was awful. Still need to paint hazard stripes, face highlights and some minor details on his left gauntlet. At least my dreadnaughts have a friend now.
>>97821903You're never going to be able to idiot proof this game, no matter how much shit GW removes from kits and rules people will still find a way to be retarded and build bad units.Appealing to the lowest common denominiator is a pointless stratergy, and hopefully GW is coming to their senses with that with the release of the crucible character rules and hopefully some more indepth rules in 11th.
>>97821904They don't want to kill C'tan skew entirely, but it is kind of absurd how many destroyers they can bring with them.
>>97821912Maybe this is a hot take, but I think big centerpiece models like Ctan should be allowed to be a bit more overpowered, but your Army should be limited to having only one of them or TSK
>>97821911>your immersion is fine with roboute or whoever showing up to some effectively small scale battle and potentially dyingYeah? The games are obviously not canon events. And you can imagine that the board is a slice of a bigger battle. Do you have autism?
>>97821933Crucible will never be legal in standard play, at best the popular options will see proper releases. Like a broadside commander, ogryn HQ, Sentinel HQ etc
>>97821904Imagine if Chaos was allowed to field a manifestation of Khorne or Tzeentch. Not a daemon or whatever but the actual god. That's what's going on with C'tan. It's flavorful for them to be absolutely fucked up on the board.
>>97821903You always need "research" even if the bits are in the box though. And if all units with zero options at all it would be super boring. That "research" is what makes list building fun and why list building in 10th is so bad.
>>97821936yeah, its like fireball in D&D it is purposefully overpowered
>>97821933>GW is coming to their senses with that with the release of the crucible character rulesI'm sorry anon but the crucible means the exact opposite. It means that since customization is now a separate, optional ruleset they are gonna remove every option from the normal rules. This is what already happened in AoS after they made their version of crucible.
>>97821947>And if all units with zero options at all it would be super boringI wouldn't say that, I think you can do options without every unit having a whole page of nonsense and sidegrades
>>97821954>hopefully
>>97821903This can be fixed with packaging. Just tell people in a little square on the front, or on the back "hey you can do more with this unit if you buy this upgrade pack with it."
>>97821942>ogryn HQGod please, something like the Cadian Castellan for Ogryns would be a great kit.
>>97821942>ogryn HQOh shit, there's crucible rules for ogryns?
Literally the only thing 40k ever had over other better games was the customisation and easy parts swapping compatibility. When you remove those things all you're left with is dogshit.
>>97821959Even if you tell people "oh hey this box comes with 2 X 2Y and 1 Z" (like the webstore does anyways) there is still the conversation of "well what am I running?". And the worst thing by far is to build a whole unit and be told the weapon option you have sucks. GW themselves realized this and have said as much in the how we roll episode for AOS
>>97821965Ye
>>97821973Lore and playerbase is what 40k has over every other wargame at the moment, you can argue kit quality as well. Oh and you can LARP as totally not Nazis and no one looks twice at it, while playing WW2 wargames is automatically suspicious unless you're 40 and bald
>>97820962Why is he alive again?Also, what would be a good name for a Storm Shield with chain blades built into the shield face? Thinking of a Blood Angel's successor chapter where such a shield is the chapter's relic and used by it's chapter master.
>>97821963Man sometimes I forget how bad these new cadian models are.
>>97821946You do realize that lore-wise that is what greater daemons are, right?
>>97821978What are the build option? Like what weapons weapons or traits can you put on it?
got a game in 2 hours, playing necronsAMA
>>97821984he was never actually dead, the lore we got for his death was an inuniverse publication. The hint given is that the space wolves helped out
>>97821989Do you have no shame?
>>97821987
>>978219868e even had rules for exalted greater daemons
>>97821993Tahnks
>>97821992hey at least i'm not a fag who uses pantheon, i'm using (mostly) 3rd ed units and models
>>97821903>doesn't require research to buy into an armyretards shouldn't be the core audience of this game
>>97822001Their money is just as good and there are more of them. Get that green.
>>97822001>retards shouldn't be the core audience of this game
>>97822001You're already here
>>97822004Primaris Heavy Intercessors :DDD
>>97822004Let me rephrase retards don't play these kind of games. You might be able to sucker one into buying a box but they won't be repeat customers
>>97821986Daemons are part of their god but have some of their own initiative and personality, which is why they fight, get punished, etc. C'tan shards are just shards of the c'tan.
Did decalfag ever finish those hellblasters?
>>97822014>retards don't play these kind of games.someone's never been to an LGS that is practically an adult day care center lmao
>>97821978>T3HUH?!Please GW, at least try a bit.
>>97822015The chaos gods are sentient storms in the warp, daemons are just small portions of it. A large enough daemone like doombreed can produce shards
>>97822014>retards don't play these kind of gamesYOU sound like someone that doesn't play this game.
>>97821230every model is a Necromunda model
>>97822021The Crucible rules are super lazy and have all kinds of really obvious oversights like that. I've seen like 6 page long suggested errata lists some people have made on other forums.
>>97822031sounds like older editions of the game, SOVL
>>97822025Buying, assembling, painting (sometimes), reading the rules, planning a list. Are all tasks that a retard wouldn't put themselves through, there is no immediate reward
>>97822031what are some other oversights? I haven't paid much attention to crucible
>>97822014>You might be able to sucker one into buying a box but they won't be repeat customersare you sure
>>97821470Wot you mean by "returned"? Like The Old World style selling the actual old kits? Or a remake?Because you marinelets will 100% be getting a redone tactical squad, and it might even happen this edition. I thought GW would have the good manners to wait a little longer but it looks like 10 years is what the imagine the cutoff to be for starting to rebuy your whole army. Firstborn Reborn are right around the corner, pigs.
>>97822042There are many different kinds of retards, and if you been to a LGS you would know this.
>>97820962I mean it's alright, but damn he need more decorum. It's too clean, too tactical where is the baroque heraldy who scream off the madness.
assembling fucking sucks
>>97821679Did you really paypiggy on 3 riptides?
>>97822082Whats wrong with 3 riptides?
>>97821936>>97821912it's fine for c'tan to be big overpowered modelsbut then they shouldn't have 10 mov and deep strikeIf they do want mobility as well, just jump the points up to like 450 or something
>>97821955That's a gross exaggeration. No unit has a whole page of upgrades. Even tactical squads had 3/4 special weapons and 3/4 heavy weapons that in the end amounted to flamers for hordes, plasma for elites and melta for tanks.
>>97822055I am heading there.
>>97821977> there is still the conversation of "well what am I running?But that is the same question you have to make to decide wether you buy erradicators or infernus. Removing those options and splitting them into their own squads doesn't change that.
>>97821815>40k became more popular than ever before during 8th >but it wasn't because of the new version of GW's poster boy faction The mental hoops people jump through to try to say Primaris aren't popular sure is stunning.
>>97822089I guess if you're a weeb you'd see nothing wrong with it. Personally if I still had my tau army I'd want 0 as all the big mechs they've come out with are ugly and stupid, but I also don't watch anime so.
>>97822004>Games shouldnt be focused on being fun and good, they should focus on maximising profits for shareholders!
>>97822031I've been saying this since the 10th teasers dropped but the AoS format for statlines is so fucking bad and leads to all sorts of inconsistencias that simply don't happen with the modular statline system 40k had used until then. It needs to change back and add the new heresy mental stats please
>>97822055You'll notice that compulsive box buyers never open their boxes, let alone build and play so the rules being catered to them is completely useless.
>>97822099I'm not saying primaris aren't popular, illiterate-kun. I'm saying the boom of 8th happened for a lot of reasons and removing weapon options from space marines isn't particularly meaningful for the mass of newfags that didn't know those options existed before.
>>97822104GW is a publcally traded company and has been since 1994, that is literally their job.
>>97821978Just look at this shit. All the hoops the unit needs to circumvent the lack of ppm, point costs and the number of bits in the box.
>>97822099Anything else of note happen with 8th edition? Like maybe a comprehensive simplification + gamification of the rules that sanded all the edges off and made it appeal to normlet tastes while also reducing playtime?
>>97822102this seems strangely defensive.
>>97822127He's a furry and/or gay.
I want stratagems to go already. A decade of failed attempts is enough.
>>97822055>unopened looncurseFuck off I wanted that box
Coming back to 40k after seeing the 11th ed stuff. Do Intercessors overperform with their current rules? I don't remember them having that double shoot ability at the edition start, it makes them look terrifying.
>>97822144No, at best you'll see a 5 man unit sitting in your objective for a turn and then dying immediately in the midfield.
>>97822144You take one unit to run around and put sticky on objectives.Mass intercessors isn't a thing.
>>97822126That simplified and shortened gameplay they had to try again to shrimplify and shorten only a few years later on top of bandaids every few months (or sometimes weeks)
>tfw its another marinefag thread
>>97822155>Mass iconic unit of the army is not a thingThis is the real tragedy. The mainline unit should be the bulk of your army. I dont like FoC because its too restrictive, but MSU is bad for the game.Maybe make it like old HH where MSU costs more ppm than if you take more?Like a MSU 5 man unit costs 17pts, but ater that, each additional model costs only 3pts per model.That incentivises large units since they come at a premium ppm
>>97822165It's a marine website.
>>97822165Mate, every 40K thread is a marinefag thread. Even people that don't identify as Marinefags collect Marines too. They are just that ubiquitous. You can't walk into a store without tripping over six discount boxes for them.
>>97822169>intercessors>iconic
>>97822169Tacs work in 30k because in 2.0 only troops can cap objectives and in 3.0 because line gets tons of points and because they are 10 points a model and rhinos costed 35 points so you could have 10 bodies inside a metal box for just 135 points. Also old AP makes 3+ armour a lor more valuable than the current one and with the artificer armour upgrade your sergeant was tanking everything with a much, much more valuable 2+ save.
>>97822183>>97822169I think HH3.0 solved the tacticals/intercessors divide pretty well. You have basic tacs that work like intercessors with just boltguns but a squad size of 10-20 and Line(2) for basic troops and objective holding and then you have veteran tacs with a squad size of 5-10 but with 2 wounds and weapon upgrades while still having Line(1) so they work like support for the basic troops. But the 40k team seems allergic to copying anything good about 30k so we won't ever have that.
>>97822178If you play vanilla marines, its the main units, yes. Its whats front and center.
>>97822178This is what people think of when they hear "space marine". Cope&seethe about it.
>>97822169Gw dipped their toes into cheaper discounts for big units throughout the last edition and then back down from it because bricks of units were becoming oppressive. But they did it ass backwards and gave the discounts on a handful elite units instead of battleline units, who are all still locked to small 10 man squads outside of a few factions.
>>97821963Is it just me, or does the Castellan there kinda look like Sam Neil?
>>97822195This would also be a good way to reconcile boltguns and bolt rifles. Let boltguns be boltguns for the basic squad and let bolt rifles be the 40k equivalent to the veteran's volkite charger since volkite isn't a thing in 40k. Though I'd rather see volkite chargers or at least a better name than bolt rifle.
>How many Feast of Blades has your chapter won, son of the lion?>None? That's too bad.
>>97822219Boltguns and Bolt rifles should just be one thing:Bolters.If they fused power axes and power swords into "power weapons", a bolter and a slightly longer bolter should do the same shit.Storm bolter and combi bolters should be different because they serve different purposes, and sternguard bolters are special due to their ammo, but "normal" boltguns should just be unified.
>>97822223How many Primarchs do you still have, son of Dorn?
>>97822223More like feast of dicks.
>>97822233Problem is bolt rifles are way too long to be boltguns. Bolt carbines sure, all of that should be merged and a combined phobos squad should get some shotguns for variety instead of 4 variants of bolt carbines. Bolt rifles work better as the old special issue boltguns or something like that, not the basic boltgun for the most basic of troops. Merge heavy bolt pistols too I still don't get why the fuck that had to be a new weapon instead of giving bolt pistols AP like they did with chainswords.
>>97822223>Feasts of bladesreminder that one of only like 3 marines to get multiple feast of blades victories got farmed for ad revenue by lelith
>>97822239But enough about the Unforgiven
>>97822223
>>97821849there are no big hrud, even the one in xenology was smaller than a human
>>97822241>Problem is bolt rifles are way too long to be boltguns.Then stop sculpting them that way. The only reason they did it in the first place was to make all marine players replace their armies. That's done and over with now so just stop it.
>>97822276Well sure but they aren't changing that, the new intercessors still have long bolt rifles. The wat they've organized primaris is a big ass mess.
>>97822275OkayBut I just decided there are
I really like they Grey Knights Aesthetic but I wish they weren't such a mary sue concept and had more capacity for being Your Dudes. Like the Deathwatch but for Librarians killing Daemons.
>>97822293>they weren't such a mary sue conceptLatest lore is that apparently they have been hollowed out since the Great Rift formed, "shits fucked and there aren't enough around to meaningfully accomplish anything in a big galaxy" kinda solves that issue. >Your dudes Yeah this is an issue, since all the Brotherhoods are named and they don't really have a proper successor chapter.
>>97822233>Boltguns and Bolt rifles should just be one thing:>Bolters.No.
Is Grey Knight the worst faction in the game for "Your Dudes"? Can you think of any that even come close to being so narrow and pigeonholed into their specialization?Even Custodes have significantly more variety.
>>97822320It solves the issue of Grey Knights having a meaningful role in the Galaxy but it doesn't really stop the fellatio they get when one squad of Purifiers shows up.
kinda lowkey wish that csm sorcerers and MoPs had an option to not be astartes only but oh well the eye requires a certain physical robustness to not turn into a warp spawn after a week
>>97822233>>97822241Speaking of merging stuff, the way I'd reorganize the army would be:>HQs>Major Officer (Captain, can be upgraded to chapter master, limit of 1 per army)>Minor Officer (Lieutenant, can be "upgraded" to become a chaplain, librarian, techmarine, potential for other esoteric characters like 30k master of signals or praevians or stuff like that)>Retinue (essentially bladeguard and all their chapter specific variations of 3/6 melee dudes with 40mm bases, they need a major officer to lead them)>Troops>Tactical squad (essentially current intercessors + assault intercessors but with boltguns, troop size 10-20)>Tactical veteran squad (essentially classic tactical squads, less numbers but get access to special weapons)>Assault squad (just the current assault intecessors with jump packs but with a non-retarded name and let them take eviscerators again for the love of god)>Terminator squad (merge both squads, just keep the loadouts as they are but fix the distinction between hammers and power fists right now they are completely unbalanced)>Vanguard vet (stays the same)>Sternguard vet (their classic role has been aped by the primaris weapon squads, they need an actual niche using special rules, they currently are just so boring. This is where bolt rifles go)>Special weapon squad (merges hellblasters, infernus and adds a melta/grav squad, but they should use the actual special weapons, no need for a +1 long primaris version when no other unit can take one for every dude anwyays)>Heavy weapon squad (same as above but with the heavy weapons, let the sergeant take one too for fucks sake, hastarii can take them even though the model just gets a sword and pistol for some reason)>Merge all the gravis squads too.
>>97822345I think GW is smart enough to retcon them enough so fix this issue when they release their refresh. My evidence is that they were smart enough to solve this issue for the custodes which came after them.Maybe they will have a company of Deathwatch but for Librarians as >>97822293 says.The reveal/retcon of the Terminus decree tells me they are thinking about GK fluff and are vey happy top change them at a fundamental level
>>97822371That's a good call and it makes me wonder:What other sacred cows of faction identity do you think GW should just kill or retcon for the sake of a better and broader future? My personal feeling is that the Canis Helix might be one of them.
>>97822371>Terminus decreeWas that the secret speshul instruckshon thing where they're supposed to kill emperor if he ever were to woke up?I might be confusing it with something else but that's the gayest, donut steel-est shit in the entire 40k, and that's saying a lot.
>>97821904sisters weren't even OP and got punted into the sun.
>>97822362you could always have a mutated human psyker/sorcerer to represent the toughness/durability if you're wanting to <your dudes> it upor hell just use a more human model and say the toughness/armor is the warp protecting them etc
>>97821849Looks nothing alike
>>97822362Nothing stops you from using the model for a normal human to stand for a sorcerer or master of possession.
>>97822386Yiffs kinda need the Canis Helix for thematic reasons (it's similar to the flesh change) but GW somehow fails at making viking werewolves interesting so it just makes them a bunch of wasted potential.
The marine piggies are still going at it. Where are my xenos chads at?
>>97822424Pic rel was so bad it turned me not only off Space Wolves when it released, but also all 40k until the Black Templars refresh.
>>97820951Wasn't there a short blurb of eldar guardians moving forward and getting ambushed by suicide bombers and the pov elfdar charactere is disgusted by the human tactics or was I hallucinating that?Anyway we need these guys back.
>>97821815Yes, they did cretino, because shyte squatmarines were GARBAGE. Squat pose like they were about to shit themselves, shorter than IG models, proportions of 5 year child (1 head to 4 heads tall body ratio, instead of 1:7 like adult), female child at that because no man has hips/thigh gap that wide. I am strangely sure liking this trash means you have defective eyes or more likely brain.In comparison, primaris look like adult, strong males, are finally taller than IG, and have actual human proportions. Like actually having a belly and normal arms, compare them to squatmarines who basically have ribcage on top of pelvis, missing half of the spine and chimpanzee long arms with hands bigger than their head reaching past knees...
>>97822444Considering what they fight and the expendability of human life, suicide bombers are kind of a no brainer fir the Inperium but I think it's fallen out of the realm of the politically correct, even for videogames and Games Workshop. You can Have Squig Bombs but an actual human doing it is a no no.Personally I'd have it for Sisters before Guard
>>97822444>Honor! Sacrifice! Duty!>N-No! Not like that!Suicide bombers are a big no no nowadays because of muslims spamming it. Sacrificing yourself in an impromptu way is ok, but equipping and planning suicide units is taboo apparently.
>>97822469Fun fact; Islamic suicide bombers are normally special needs people (the results of cousin marriage) pressured into doing it by family.
Don't Grey Knights have explosion or at least disintegration Runes built into their armor if they die?
>>97822475>The Taliban Afghan army still has suicide bombing unit>In the age of drones that can do it much betterKek, the Afghans just do it for the love of the game at this point.
>>97822469>>97822482Hopefully in the age of the drone we can see it become okay for GW to sell 'Imperial Guard Suicide Squad' kits or maybe 'Martyrdom Seekers' to get passed cenosors
>>97821031Just starting a bit of something different from my Space Sharks.
Hellblasters doko?
>>97822495Plus some servitors to follow the Techmarine about.
>>97822465Tau also had the Failsafe Detonator wargear.
>>97822491I see it as a SoB stratagem for Repentias or Acro Flagelants in melee where you lose a model and deal 2d3 damage or some shit to the enemy.
>>97821182They're still manlets, 10th got rid of psychic phase, and their range is pretty anemic for being a space marine "aligned" army.
>>97822514Totally but also the IG would have suicide squads with how dying for the emperor is venerated and virtually every IG is doomed to die in service and never see home again anyway
>combat patrol magazine has just started in my country>get the termagant one>in 2 parts, first part contains 5 gants>with no bases, all bases come in the 2nd part
>>97822463Anon that sounds very gay.
>>97822463None of that is relevant because all the newfags from 8th onwards hadn't seen a non-primaris marine model before.
>>97822524Well he is talking about marines
>>97822523kek GW having a laff with their polack customers. you love to see it!
>>97822243He died, but not before forever tarnishing Lelith's perfect victory record.It was his final "fuck you" to the Eldar.Lelith probably thinks about him every time she goes to sleep.
>>97822495Those bases are great for the sanctifiers.
>>97821081Fine work, thanks anon
>>97822127>>97822130I am gay and so have good taste by default, stealth and crisis suits are iconic, old style broadside with the shoulder guns too. New broadside configuration and anything bigger is a travesty. As for the riptide look at that duuuude look at the size of his heeeadd! Ahahahahahaha
>>97822536weird cope headcanon
>>97822520IG, SoB, and GSC would do well with suicide bombers.That said, how to not have them get shot off the table? They should be cheap and expendable and not do anything else but die and blow up.That or have each unit be able to suicide bomb as a stratagem.
>>97822223you're telling me there hasn't been a single incidence of Lucius the Eternal crashing a Feast of Blades? Its free real estate, James Workshop
>>97822552>Feast of Blades event>Lucius the Eternal crashes the party>Fucking dies to a guy who didn't even end up winning the event after they continued when the EC were driven off>The loser is another mocking face in the armourI do enjoy Lucius, his suffering pleases me, having an armour made from his betters. He's likes Slaaneshs personal lolcow
>>97822548What are you talking about?Lelith is known for never having been injured in combat; he injured her, ruining her 100% no-hit win streak.
>>97822551the suicide bomber can be like a one use equipment (like the kasrkin's melta bomb) but if you roll a 1 he explodes within your squad. the model is just a token to remind you to use it
>>97822573But that's not some event that occurred in a codex its just your headcanon
My autism can't deal with the inconsistency of space marine base sizes. Should I put every terminator character on 50mm bases or put the captain on a 40mm?
>>97820962Not as good as the midhammer model>>97821230I changed my mind
>>97822585Captain is 50mmEveryone else is 40mm
>>97820962its alright, its fine. they should have brought back the 2nd edition skeleton storm bolter though. the knee braces are kinda eh. whatever I'll be getting him.
>>97822594Yeah and I hate it. Either everyone should have the bigger base or no one.
>>97821737The HH way is almost good>Want 10 plasmaguns? You gotta buy 50 other guns>Want 10 lascannons>gotta get the autocannons and culverins>heavy weapons need specific arms and are "generic"The perfect formula already existed but GW wants to save pennies, please understand
>>97822533Australian actually. Shits fucked
>>97822585I don't think characters should have bigger bases and insane powers. heroes/leaders should go on the same base as the regular unit.
>>97822610Eh, it's the best compromise. Those resin upgrades costed the same as the big plastic upgrades with 5 times as many guns. The upside is that if you want another loadout you already have the bits and you can sell the bits you won't use to another player or buy the upgrade between both, saving money. Realistically it's either that or splitting kits like devastators or havocs in two, each with half the weapons, like they've done with hastarii.
>>9782260550mm is huge though. Giving it to everyone in a unit would fuck them up, epecially then being deep strike units.
>>97822623>the best compromiseNo, stopped reading right there.
>>97822578>>97822578>But that's not some event that occurred in a codexCodex: Dark Eldar (7th Edition), Specifically, it is described in the background section of Lelith (within "The Three Ages of the Dark City" or other lore parts of the codex).
I fucking HATE faggot angels
>>97822618I think so too but they are ven moving regular ass infantry like bladeguard on 40mm bases so it's hard to justify at events.>>97822625I know which is why I don't get why they gave the captain a 50mm while the librarian and chaplain are on 40mms.
>Tanith got a stand in in a kill team for hunting big monstersThat's pretty cool. Kill team really is proving its worth being able to add minor but fan favourite units like that
>>97822610GW would make insane money if they do pic rel for weapons for each faction.Just gacha for bits.
>>97822627Maybe you should really read the rest. At the end of the day we need to take logistics into account. It's not feaseable or realistic to have cheap plastic upgrades that are just a single tiny sprue. And pretending the resin upgrades were better with how expensive they were is certainly a choice.
>>97822638>TanithYou fool, it's the return of IG vets>mfw no proper tanith kitSad
>>97822637The official reason is maybe because captains are more important so they need bigger bases. Also maybe its for future aura skills where bigger bases are an advantage.The real reason is so you cant proxy a Terminator mini as a captain. You want a captain? You need to buy a mini and glue him to a bigger base, you cant just use your Chaplain or termi sergeant mini with their puny 40mm base.
>>97822657But the same would apply to the other terminator characters and let's not pretend someone that can't or won't buy a terminator captain model will be stopped by having to glue a different base.
>>97822642>read the restI don't, I already know all your posts boil down to>it sucks (but isn't GW's fault)The perfect solution has always been putting X of a specific bit into a sprue.>Want 10 of those specific marines? Here is a sprue>Want 5 of those specific weapons? Here is a sprue>Want 10 regular necron warriors? Here is a sprue>inb4 muh mould are expensiveThey shit out free miniatures, random BL characters to sell books and support entire systems like ligma and aeronotica/titanicus before it, I don't want to hear shit about it.If your worry is about logistics then GW could have always been smarter and instead of selling 10 kits with the same basic marines they'd have made 20 different bodies and made weapons on the side then shove those sprues into the same boxes.I am tired of retards genuinely thinking GW is doing their best because they refuse to ask themselves how shit actually works and can really be done. Curse of Ra.
>>97822578You were humiliated by this Anon.>>97822630
>>97822618Retarded bases is just all part of how use as game pieces is a distant afterthought of the people in charge of models
>>97822678This. It feels like every model & unit is made individually. Sometimes the same weapon has different stats because it's on a character
>>97822669Yea, I miss when they did weapon and upgrade kits all over the place so you could get extra weapons and neat bits.
>>97822684That's because 10th uses the retarded AoS datasheet format.
>>97822690The future was so bright
>>97822692Did datasheets come from AoS first?t. clueless
>>97822665I think the logic is that the other termi HQ are more distinct. Ancients have the giant banner, Chaplains have the skull helmet, and psykers have the psychic hood.A captain can look like a normal termin sargeant with the power sword and bolter. Most people wont be fucked to cut the melted plastic off the sprue to rebase it with all the basing etc.
>>97822700>sprueSorry I meant base. Mixed up the wordings.
>>97822637they gave agemann a dead tyranid on the base, and that wouldn't have fit well on a 40mm basethe multipart captain had to match the larger base because they wanted the two models to be practically interchangeable
>>97821188That explains why GSC are so low. No GSC player would pay for the codex.
>>97822536>Lelith probably thinks about him every time she goes to sleep.According to her latest books, no, apart from thinking "that was really fun"
>SoB have 5 detachments, the lowest number of any faction>SoB are going to feature in the Armageddon book>SoB could easily be given a new detachment based on tanks to mach the theme of the book>Give Space Marines another detachment insteadWhy
