We went to the moon in 1969.Why the fuck did miniatures still look like this until around 1985 or so? MTV was four years old and Back to the Future came out. And yet in miniatures terms it is practically historic.
The Roman Perry twins.
>>97853025Industry bigger now. Use brain.
>>97853025The first edition of D&D released in 1974. Prior to this, there weren't any games that called for an industry of small scale, detailed metal Fantasy miniatures.Medieval knights and such? Sure, absolutely.Medieval inspired dwarves, orcs and elves? No chance.“There were virtually no fantasy figurines being produced whenChainmailFantasy Supplement tabletop battles were being played, and so that is where the conversion of dime store toys into monsters began.”–Gary Gygax,2007For more on the history of the first wargaming monsters, see this article written by the OG Monster Manual artist back in 1993;https://diterlizzi.com/behind-the-monstrous-manual-part-6/
>>97853170Cool read anon
>>97853170Looking through all the old issues of White Dwarf and it was like 50/50 fantasy models to coombait. A simpler, better time.
>>97853025Because the limiting factor was never what it was possible to make, but what it was possible to make economically at scale.
>>97853025because casting minis requires the technology to explosively inject precisely heated and specifically formulated thermoplastics. You need very precisely machined molds in specialty steels. specialty mold releases. hundreds of tonnes of pressure to hold everything together. potentially an inert nitrogen atmosphere for the whole process. none of that was necessary to land on the moon
>>97853025Because the technology for casting better miniatures and the rocket science are not correlated at all, you fucking donut.
>>97853624Im sure cast plastic parts are useful for space travel somewhere desu
>>97853744Thermoplastic injection molding isn't that useful for rockets that reach temperatures far in excess of anything any plastic could withstand.
>>97853762>>97853506My dude these 80s miniatures are lead alloy, generally cast from silicon moulds. Why would plastics technology matter at the time.
>>97853025they didn't have wheels on suitcases and accurate ketchup bottles either. they did have all sorts of army models, just no other type.
>>97853025they didn't even use Green Stuff, or whatever it's called, before Tom Meier pioneered it. Before that they sculpted in all sorts of things, like wax (for casting brass masters), or they straight up sculpted the mini using solder with an iron. Two-part epoxies meant there was now a material that could be easily sculpted which could also survive the heat and pressure of the mould making process.
>>97853025>>97853170Honestly, while the OP is full of shit, this thread has been good to recap some of the pre-history of wargaming as it were.>It all starts with HG Wells and Little Wars in 1913I mean, arguably the history of people playing with toy soldiers has it's ties back with military strategists using them as a learning aid with war planning. You can go back to the Prussians popularising the practice in the 1800s, but it goes as far back as far as war and conflict have ever been a thing in human history.But yes, HG Wells made it readily accessible for English readers. Hell, even Peter Cushing of Star Wars fame was an avid historicals enjoyer in the 1950's.>There's even video footage of him on YouTube painting and playing. Which is as close as we'll ever really get to seeing people indulge the hobby of the OG wargames.
>>97853025>we went to the moon in 1969 No we didn't.
>>97854539Yeah, they went to your mom because she thought the moon was made of green cheese.
>>97853025gunpla technology took a good while to catch on
>>97853762Funny you should say that considering Challenger failed initially due to excessive cold. The o-rings weren't injection moulded thermoplastic, they were compression moulded fluoroelastomer but those materials share the essential quality you're getting at: they fail rapidly upon exposure to the high temperatures found in chemical rocket exhaust and atmospheric re-entry.Ordinarily, the o-rings were exposed only momentarily if at all to exhaust gas from the solid rocket booster and minor blowouts had occurred before especially in lower temperature launches where the elastomer's performance degraded and it became more rigid. Their failure to seal on Challenger was due to lower temperatures than seen before on a STS launch. This gave some of the exhaust gas an easier pathway through the gap between the joints of the SRB casing than passing out the exhaust nozzle. This hot gas rapidly eroded the o-rings further and ultimately, 73 seconds after launch, all souls were lost as Challenger detonated.But you see, before you claim that just proves your point about "temperatures far in excess of anything any plastic could withstand", the elastomer o-rings routinely and repeatedly operated successfully on the SRB despite being materials that cannot withstand prolonged contact with deflagrating rocket exhaust. A material that cannot resist high temperature was extremely useful in rocketry. Btw, massive points off for implying that there aren't thousands of places that injection moulded plastic isn't useful in rocketry.I wonder how many plastic things can be counted in this photo.More generally, low outgassing plastics, and a lot of those are injection moulded thermoplastics, are for other plastics space travel has led to Kapton and TOR (Triton atomic Oxygen Resistant polymer).
>>97854583>taking bait this obvious>shiggydiggy
>>97853025The better question is why the art was shit when Renaissance art was already 400 years old.
>>97858236Manufactured by a fundamentalist Mormon incest cult's child labor and has tons of fronts in Utah btwI think one of the Trump sons visited there before
It was a different time, the wild west
>>97858474renaissance art was literally paid for by the church at great personal expensebook art is made by whatever the publisher is willing to pay forif michelangelo was transported to the present time, he isnt wasting his time on minimum wage making art for RPGs, he would be taking commissions from the wealthiest people on the planet
>>97853031I fucking hate this CE shit. Just call it AD and BC like everybody has for the last thousand years you literal jews
>>97858776>I fucking hate this CE shitits literally just a name change> Just call it AD and BC like everybody has for the last thousand years you literal jewshistory should be secular, dont you think?a hypothethical universal calender should use something immutable and removed from any specific culture like the big bangeven dividing it into BC and AC is kind of unnecessary compared to starting from a year 0 so that all human events occur as an integer
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>>97858474The crossover between talented artists and massive nerds was pretty small back then
>>97858819Nah, painters are normally weird little hermits who grind their own pigments.Francisco Goya was deaf and went mad, and painted a buncha spooky shit directly onto the walls of his house.
>>97858779>UMMM, AKSHULLY THIS IS NOT A REDDIT APPROVED OPINION!
>>97853031Whats the point of obsessively searching, preserving and categorizing junk like that?
>>97859002no one mentioned reddit up until now
i'm really unsure about how you think plastic injection molding little army guys would have been impacted by the space race
>>97858979Goya might be my favourite painter. Or not. I wonder how much of the Black Paintings is actually his handiwork and how much they were amended.
>>97858779>its literally just a name changeIt's cultural vandalism, there is no other way to describe it.
>>97859059Cultural vandalism started in the 1700s but Marxist sleeper cells, aye completely mate.
>>97859059>making it slightly less christian-centric is vandalismit doesnt even change the date, which is still obviously the supposed birth of christ
>>97859059Just do what I do when confronted with gay marriage
>>97859059>It's cultural vandalism, there is no other way to describe it.Yes, that's what evangelical monotheists do to all other religions and cultures.
>>97853170identifiable a rust monster, bullet and owlbear. pretty cool. shame that when i go out i can never find cheap tiny toys like this. seems to have gone out of style or some shit. i'd love to convert little weird monsters into stat blocks with lore.
>>97858779They hated him, for he spoke the truth
>>97859125This.
>>97853025This nigga doesn't understand SOVL
>>97859321I do I doI just don't understand how when we talk about miniatures pre-Citadel/Warhammer, the mind almost sees it as a prehistoric age, of photocopied janky rulebooks and dust and lead rot. And it's wasn't it was just the 80s and Glam Rock and whatever.It's a bit like how in history we have a tendency to make "theatres" of different parts of the world. The Aztec feel ancient, but only ended 40 years before Shakespeare was born who feels pre-modern elsewhere, that kind of thing.
>>97853170>pronouncing bulette "boo-lay"
>>97859419drow say bullet, high elves say boolay
>We went to the moon in 1969.
>>97858779>history should be secular, dont you think?I don't, no.
>>97858779>a hypothethical universal calender should use something immutable and removed from any specific culture>shouldWhy?>something immutable and removed from any specific culture like the big bangScientist today admit that "big bang" is a misnomer, and even if it wasn't it still comes from certain culture, like every calendar Gregorian calendar (named after a pope btw) starts from supposed year of birth of the Christ (yes, I know he probably wasn't born exactly in 1AD, that doesn't really matter). It is very silly to pretend many specific cultures didn't influence your current culture dear Japanese children cartoon forum poster.
>>97858462>baitexplain how nixon had a phone call with the guys on the moon when radio signals took several minutes to get back and forth.
>>97860341>Scientist today admit that "big bang" is a misnomerThe term was coined by someone making fun of the idea.
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>>97858758So wait. You're telling me if they paid good money for minis back in the 70s they could've gotten excellent minis and this whole thread faggot OP made is pants on head retarded?
>>97859437I compromise and call it a boo-let
>>97860399Nixon said a thing, waited several minutes and got a reply from Neil, Buzz, Mike or the Time Traveling Negress that ended up on the moon that night. The discussion were later edited to remove the gaps in time and also said Negress who's existence was declassified in 1991.
>>97853170>>97854430>>97858236glad I came into this thread. These are great rabbit holes to explore
>>97863846we dont even need to pretend, plamo manufacturers had been making great quality kits for non-gaming purposes for years at that pointstar wars made their first spaceships out of a whole bunch of thosebut these guys explained it already>>97853170>>97854430the market for wizards, elves, and dwarves was basically zerothe only way you are making money out of this market is if you can pay for all your capital and ongoing costs from the same 10 guys in the enttire country for a product that doesnt exist yetwargaming and non-game related plamo had enough reliable demand to buy giant machines to make thousands of kits because they knew that there were thousands of buyers
>>97853170>dime storeGod damn inflation has hit bad hasn't it?
>>97858758you know that whole 'innocent until proven guilty' thing you jerk yourself off about as a secular humanist? Christian culture you've appropriated, comes from the belief in Christ's sacrifice washing away the sins of all.
>>97873795That's grand. But was Jesus making high-quality minis back in the 80s?
>>97873795>christianity has an eternal monopoly on justice sure bud
