He doesn't look so good
>>97855019You neither OP
>>97855019Not so bad for his age.
>>97855019Are you questioning our holy maintenance protocols?!
>>97855019he just needs a nap and a shower
Did the Emperor ever have sex?
>>97855019Dads when they're in their favorite chair.
>>97855778Yes and in the old lor ehis children were called sensei
>>97855019imagine spending your entire life knowing people would use you to create a fascist empire and trying your best to tell people to not do that because it would lead to death and suffering only for you to die and people use you to create a fascist empire that brings death and suffering including to keep you alive as you watch the same civilization you tried to protect literally put their children in meat grinders to keep you going for longer"kindest guy in mankind" gets put in super hell and it's great!
>>97855019imagine the smell
>>97858544by that point big Es flesh would have decade so long ago that you won't even smell it by that point
>>97855019yet he's still sittin`better than ya ever didlooking like a true survivorfeelin` like a litle kid
>>97855019Nothing a Tylenol won't fix
>>97856194I can just tell your teachers hate you. I refuse to believe a man above 13 years of age types like this.
>>97855019He need some milk
>>97855019If I take that off will he die?
>>97855019That's a statue. You really thought the emperor looked like a 60ft tall Lincoln Memorial? He's a normal sized wizened old man hooked up to life support.
>>97855019Post models.
>>97856194But the emperor was a fascist.
>>97855019Nonsense. Emperor doesn't look a century over 30K!
>>97856194>all I wanted was to build an empire to wage galactic war while exterminating the undesirables but now these fools came and did a fascism oh woe is me
>>97855019What would happen if I poked his shoulder and woke him up?
>>97859023Yeah, He used to have more of a H R Geiger/super psyker "I am an empire wide warp beacon" feel than a blinged out Washington monument.
>>97858621Rogue Trader Custodes ftw
>>97860865>Blinged out Washington MonumentThe emperor has a giant white obelisk?
>>97860910I believe the term is "penis"
>>97856194The Emperor was a fascist himself, he was just opposed to religious worship because of chaos shit. Of course he never explained any of this because he's a retard.
what did he mean by this?
>>97860990>>97860357>>97859237hi fellow tourists
>>97855778With your mother, multiple times.
>>97855019He's just eepy (tired of your shit)
>>97855019That's what happens when you're >PAINFULLY ALONE
>>97856194>>97859237>>97860990The Imperium isn't fascist, and neither was the Emperor. Fascism requires totalitarian and centralized control, and the Imperium has always lacked the capacity to exert that sort of central authority.Ironically, the only fascist state in 40k is the Tau.
>>97855778No, even primarch are his wife's(Astarte) sons. She was also smarter than him just as Cawl.
>>97863154Before we play the game of "well actually that isn't REAL fascism", here's a definition of fascism from someone who actually lived through its heyday.https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/umberto-eco-ur-fascismOf the 14 features of Fascism, here's where the Imperium ticks the boxes: 1 (cult of tradition) - yes, obviously2 (rejection of modernity) - arguably yes, seeing as how they call humanity's golden era the dark age of technology3 (Rejection of rationalism) - "blessed are the minds too small for doubt" no shit the answer is yes 4 (disagreement is treason) - lol yes 5 (appeal against the intruder) - lol yes6 (exploiting middle class frustrations against lower class) - debatable, the philosophy of "Burn the heretic. Kill the mutant. Purge the unclean" arguably is a manifestation of this, but the "middle class" per se isn't much of a thing in 40k7 (obssession with a plot) - lol yes 8 (enemies propagandized as strong and weak at the same time) - yes, the Imperium does this all the time with Xenos in particular9 (life is permanent warfare) - lol yes 10 (contempt for subordinates and the weak) - lol yes 11 (worship of the hero's death) - lol yes 12 (obsession with machismo) - mostly no desu, occasionally elements of this crop up, but generally the Imperium is egalitarian with its totalitarianism so long as you are a right thinking baseline human. 13 (selective popularism) - debatable, the whole "master of mankind" representing humanity thing arguably plays into this, but that arguably is divine right to rule instead14 (Newspeak) - not really? The Imperium doesn't really use linguistics as a means of societal control in that way, beyond excluding topics from education entirelyThe imperium gets a big tick for features 1-5 and 7-11, along with two other elements (6 and 13) being debatable. That puts the Imperium at 10-12 points, which is enough to call it fascist given that even IRL facist regimes drop 2 or 3 points out of the full 14.
>>97864748Except that’s not the definition of fascism. Umberto Eco was an enemy of fascism, letting him choose the definition of fascism is like going to Ayn Rand for a definition of Socialism. The actual definition of fascism, as defined by the fascists themselves in the Doctrine of Fascism, is a totalitarian, imperialist, corporatist state. The Imperium is not corporatist (in the original sense of the word), because there’s not nearly enough coordination between the state and private interests and labor groups. It’s not totalitarian (in the fascist sense of the word of the state encompassing all aspects of life) because it literally can’t be, it’s too decentralized, almost all of the sub-organizations making up the Imperium are largely autonomous. The only definition it does fulfill is being imperialist.
>>97856194>fascist empireAnon I have bad news: The Imperium is a neo-feudalist theocratic oligarchy. The Emperor has been in a coma for 10,000 years. He doesn't really rule anything.
>UM THAT'S NOT HECKING REAL FASCISM, REAL FASCISM HAS NEVER BEEN TRIEDExplain exactly how Mussolini's own conception of fascism would exclude the Imperium.
>>97864968The Imperium is neither totalitarian (by fascism’s own definition of totalitarianism) nor corporatist (by the original definition).
>>97864976Explain exactly how Mussolini's own conception of fascism would exclude the Imperium.
>>97864968>Explain exactly how Mussolini's own conception of fascism would exclude the Imperium.Mussolini's conception explicitly mandates an autocracy. The Imperium is not actually ruled by an autocrat because the hypothetical autocrat is a vegetable. The High Lords of Terra rule via council.
>>97865068>Mussolini's conception explicitly mandates an autocracyNo it does not.
I know you guys really want to make everything into le nayzees but the imperium is clearly a hybrid between a feudal society and an imperialist society.
>>97864988The Imperium is neither totalitarian (by fascism’s own definition of totalitarianism) nor corporatist (by the original definition), and you need both of those to be fascist according to Mussolini.
>>97864748Nobody using the Umberto Ecco definition can be take seriously.
>>97865068He very clearly and explicitly says that it does not matter.>This explains why Fascism — although, for contingent reasons, it was republican in tendency prior to 1922 — abandoned that stand before the March on Rome, convinced that the form of government is no longer a matter of preeminent importance, and because the study of past and present monarchies and past and present republics shows that neither monarchy nor republic can be judged sub specie aeternitatis, but that each stands for a form of government expressing the political evolution, the history, the traditions, and the psychology of a given country.>Fascism has outgrown the dilemma: monarchy v. republic, over which democratic regimes too long dallied, attributing all insufficiencies to the former and proning the latter as a regime of perfection, whereas experience teaches that some republics are inherently reactionary and absolutist while some monarchies accept the most daring political and social experiments.>>97865118>if I state my conclusion again that counts as an explanationExplain exactly how Mussolini's own conception of fascism would exclude the Imperium.
>>97865076"Un leader, uno stato, un popolo" seems pretty explicit to me dude.
>>97865128Mussolini didn't say that lol
Wait, there's a bunch of shit going on ITT but one thing sticks out>Fascism isn't totalitarianDid my history teacher lie to me? I thought both nazi germany and ww2 Italy were totalitarian.
>>97865149>>Fascism isn't totalitarianWho said this?
>>97865149Mussolini likes to use the plural concept of "fascist leaders" when in reality he just means himself.
>>97865154Maybe I misunderstood, but this guy>>97864988implies that you don't need to be totalitarian to be fascist by saying that the imperium is fascist despite not being totalitarian.
>>97865172The imperium is totalitarian by any definition of the word.
>>97865182Who is the central leader that controls everything? The Emperor is dead.
>>97865182It’s an anarcho syndicate
>>97865202>totalitarianism is when dictatorship>also who the fuck is robot gorilla man?Secondary-kun...
>>97865182>The imperium is totalitarian by any definition of the word.Authoritarian certainly. Totalitarian? Maybe. You have to remember that the High Lords of Terra, Rogue Traders, and Planetary Governors all have pretty high degrees of autonomy. The Post-Heresy Imperium intentionally fractured off into smaller compartmentalized units that can interact with eachother but can never grow so powerful they threaten the entire system. On paper an Inquisitor has a lot of power and can throw his dick around in every direction but an Arbites Judge, Astartes Chapter Master, or Rogue Trader can hypothetically tell the Inquisitor to go fuck themselves. It's not a smart thing to do but they can do it.
>>97865212Girlyman controls everything? Even the inquisition?Also what about all the independent actors in the empire? Empire is very decentralized, and not at all something where all power is controlled firmly in a central location.
>>97865124>Explain exactly how Mussolini's own conception of fascism would exclude the Imperium.It lacks the totalitarianism and corporatism of fascism that Mussolini considered a necessity to be a fascist state
>>97865182The Imperium is absolutely not totalitarian, they’re feudalist. They don’t have the centralization to be totalitarian. They don’t give a shit about your culture, allow a wide range of religions so long as you can tenuously connect the god-emperor to it somehow, and they have no opinion on your economic system so long as you pay your tithe.The Imperium is as far from totalitarian as you can get. They literally don’t give enough of a shit about your life to be totalitarian.
>>97865236On that note, it's almost hilarious how loose the Imperium's alleged eugenics standards are. They wiped out the goatmen but somehow TWO named Genestealer Cults made it all the way to Terra. That's not just a Genestealer getting loose in Terra. The Pauper Princes have total control of more than a dozen planets. There's entire systems of GSC that just fly straight under the radar, and they managed to actively infiltrate the heart of the Imperium. On top of that, they were found purely by accident and were in communication with a second massive cult.
>>97865219>>97865223>>97865236>of or relating to a political regime based on subordination of the individual to the state and strict control of all aspects of the life and productive capacity of the nation especially by coercive measures (such as censorship and terrorism)Commissars had plenty of their own power in the Soviet Union. As do higher ups in the North Korean regime. They have all the freedom in the world as long as they do exactly what the leader commands. In fact every single subject is perfectly free as long as they slavishly obey their superiors. This does not somehow make these states not totalitarian lol.I mean, think about this for a little bit. Even a slave can tell you to fuck off if they really want to. There is nothing you can do short of mind control to change this fact. Does this mean that no state can be described as totalitarian? No, that's retarded.
>>97865254You’re being retarded on purpose now. The Imperium has very little control over its planets. It’s just a feudal state, planetary governors are free to rule as they wish so long as they pay the tithe, but the Imperium itself has very little actual control.
>>97865254>They have all the freedom in the world as long as they do exactly what the leader commands.That describes literally any government that collects taxes.
>>97865257>The Soviet Union wasn't totalitarian because autonomous regions were free to rule as they wish as long as they did as the Supreme Council commanded. It's called autonomous!Lol
>>97865275So your definition of totalitarian is literally every government that’s ever existed
>>97865283No dipshit, I'm saying that delegation of power is not what makes a nation totalitarian or not.
>>97865275Typically the only thing the Supreme Council commands is the Imperial Tithe. Planetary Governors are effectively sovereign outside of that. The only way I can see that qualifying as totalitarian is because the Lex Imperialis was originally written by the Emperor, but then it has been extensively modified after the fact to the point that some Arbites spend their entire lives studying it and its bureaucratic intricacies.
>>97865291Delegation of power isn’t, but not having control over your delegates sure as fuck is
