A Thread Can Have Any Number of Posters Named Anonymous EditionPrevious: >>97852608>Most recent banlist updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.comhttps://www.pdhrec.com>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>TQAnon! WotC has chosen (You) to errata an instant, sorcery, or creature of mana value 2 or less to include the text that a deck can contain any number of copies of it!What are you choosing?
>TQStorm Crow
Alt TQ for the ones who buy superior Universes Beyond:Is there a franchise you don't want to see that you just loathe?Hard mode: No pedoshit.
>>97859638>TQ>mfw Counterspell
>>97859638>Anon! WotC has chosen (You) to errata an instant, sorcery, or creature of mana value 2 or less to include the text that a deck can contain any number of copies of it!Lightning bolt. I just want Burn decks to be done.
They should have scrapped the +1/+1 counter line on this card for flavor text. I like it when my commanders have flavor text.
>>97859654I hate UB and I would also hate UB:Youtube.
>>97859638>TQCaw caw mother fucker
>>97859638>TQShock>>97859654Define pedoshit due to the fact I was told ATLA is considered it
>>97859638>TQmanamorphose all day
>>97859653You're not Anon so you don't get to engage with the TQ.
>>97859688Honestly, why doesn't it have the uncap text?
Question: when you're playing a blue "draw like a motherfucker" deck, do you just discard, or do you want to be running "you have no max hand size" stuff like thought vessel and Reliquary Tower?
>>97859696Oh fuck you rite>>97859654Elder Scrolls. Not because I hate them or anything, it's just horrendously boring to me personally.>>97859706for me, if you can fit infinite hand size in you should. Thought Vessel is 2 mana, ramp, and an artifact and blue loves all of that shit.>>97859684Are there enough good beasts to justify Slinza? I do like the idea of a weird tribal like that.
Tips on how to make this deck look worse?https://moxfield.com/decks/lLTDYJh23U-O-adsd_VHEQ
>>97859706>or do you want to be running "you have no max hand size" stuff like thought vessel and Reliquary Tower?There's so many cards that uncap your hand size that you probably want to be running anyway, Wizard Class, Triskaidekaphile, and so on.Unless you're playing a graveyard-based strategy, you'd probably rather have a big hand, so just uncap your hand size
>>97859712
>>97859709>Elder Scrolls. Not because I hate them or anything, it's just horrendously boring to me personally.So on one hand you defend the idea of sword and sorcery in Magic but also want to discount the Elder Scrolls? How do these two opinions add up without being completely contradictory?
>>97859706"No max hand size" is shitter bait. If you've drawn 21 cards, the 7 best ones are more than enough to get you the win.
>>97859728>How do these two opinions add up without being completely contradictory?Don't ask the tripfag to not be hypocritical. He already crossed that threshold when he bitched about other UB after buying 3 boxes of FF with his neetbux
>>97859730>"No max hand size" is shitter baitIt is in fact you that is the shitter.>j-just keep the best ones!!!!1. There is no such thing as a "best" card, and even if you want to pretend that there is, what is "best" depends on the current boardstate, which can change 2. So many cards reward you for having a large hand size, if you're playing a draw deck there's literally no reason not to be running those as well3. More spells is more spells. Cards are harder to cast from the grave, especially in monoblue which is what that guy was asking about. More ways to interact with the game is never a bad thingAnd again, it's an effect stapled onto so many cards already, it costs you literally nothing to uncap your hand size so why would you not?
>>97859728If we're already going to do a sword and sorcery type product, why even bother making it UB if you're going to make it TES? It's as generic as comes so you could instead just do a cool set on Dominaria with dragons, knights, etc. without needing to license an IP, have the pseudo reserve-list effect, or deal with the hassle of trying to represent all 6 characters anyone remembers from any of those games. We already have Viashino, we've had vikings, we have cards depicting magic screams and rogue undergroung organizations. I just don't think it brings a single thing to the table.I also think The Witcher would just be overall better for that, but then you'd get 25 Geralt cards, Triss would be black, and I can't stomach that either lmao
boy you fags will argue about anything here lmao
>>97859774That's half the fun of mtg. I find it fun to be able to discuss stuff instead of >DUDE JUST GRAB THE TOP CARDS FROM EDHREC
>>97859760Discounting all your nonsense which shows me you've never played a 60-card format in your life, the cards the effect is stapled onto are bad. The only bracket where I can imagine wanting a thought vessel when I load up my hand is bracket 2. Anywhere above that the "no max hand size" cards have a real deckbuilding cost.
>>97859638>TQFuck those lands
>>97859794>2 cost untapped mana rock>b2 onlyLmao.>deckbuilding costYeah Reliquary tower is SO scary to use. These cards are completely usable in B3.
>>97859794>ermmmmm all these cards are bad in formats with almost half the deck size and where games are only expected to go 4 turns!!!!lol
>>97859806You could be running other, better mana acceleration effects besides a colorless rock that often does absolutely nothing else. Even mind stone is leagues better for the extra draw it represents.ANY colorless land in 3c+ better have a damn good reason for being there when each early game land drop can decelerate your entire game plan. In 2c you still only have a handful of colorless slots, and there are so many powerful effects on lands these days that you'd be insane to waste one on something so win-more
I got to platinum in constructed ranked :D. I'm very proud of myself. Struggled in silver then flew through gold
>cast pic rel on my endstep w/ flash>permanently exile an enemy's board that was flickered AND 6 earthbent lands (unblockable land, field of the dead inc)
>>97859774Wotc is too woke to give us waifus that we would normally argue about instead
>>97859784>fun>discuss
>>97859866>Also note how you completely ignored discussion of Wizard's Class and Triskaidekaphile?You want me to address the unplayable shit cards that further harm your argument? Though seeing you posted the diaperfag elk image I'm guessing this is all bait.
>>97859874>I don't have to argue with you anymore!!!!Concession accepted
2 mana 1/3 with flying and lifelink with Sign in Blood and an incredibly piss easy prepare condition. Yeah this card will be easy in my Elas il-Kor deck
>>97859743I don't think buying a set you want and not buying one you don't want is hypocritical, just misunderstanding where JotC are going to spend that money. I think that arguing that a "sword and sorcery" IP should be avoided just sends the wrong message to the company and that we want more shit like TMNT, Spider Man, or Marvel.>>97859768We're explicitly discussing a UB set, so the idea is that it has to be a UB because JotC can't help themselves. If you're that committed to things being "on theme", or appropriate to MTG, then what would you suggest as an alternative? Supply something with a decent amount of legendary creatures if The Witcher doesn't suffice (there would be too many "human citizens" in a set like that). Assume it's a full-sized set the scope of Neon Dynasty (500 cards). This question is open to other anons as well. What IP do you actually think would fit with Magic and not have the Avatar problem of 10 Aangs but have enough material to still fill an entire set. Would you bring back an old mechanic to fit with it?
>>97859968>What IP do you actually think would fit with Magic and not have the Avatar problem of 10 Aangs but have enough material to still fill an entire set.>league of legends>dota>tales series
>>97859964perfect in Oloro
>>97859964Holy fucking shit I swear this entire set is tailor made for Yshtola. Doge man (pic related) is amazing for her too.
>>97859968>I don't think buying a set you want and not buying one you don't want is hypocriticalBuying any UB funds more UB. You can't spend hundreds or even thousands of dollars on Final Fantashit and then complain about Spider-Man
>>97859964This set is mechanically very good and fun, an aesthetically ugly as sinLorwyn was the oppositeMy conspiracy theory is wotc is aware of this and balances it out to maximize sales
I love eminence and emblems!
>>97860015Buying any UW funds more UW. You can't spend hundreds or even thousands of dollars on Lorwyn Eclipsed and then complain about Secrets of Strixhaven
>>97860024I don't see what's ugly about that card.
>>97860049>Epic, but not bumfuck useless I can dig it.
>>97860049That's epic and you not realizing that is an epic fail
>>97860058I like both of those sets, so we good.Even if I didn't, I'd prefer 4 revisits to fucking OTJ over 4 visits to the plane of New York any day.I got into Magic for Magic, I don't want to see other IPs, simple as,
>>97859968>We're explicitly discussing a UB setOkay, got it>what would you suggest as an alternative?>decent amount of legendary creaturesOkay, so like I said, I'd discount The Witcher immediately. I'd have to go with a FromSoft one most likely, but specifically Dark Souls 1-3 because of a few factors>big mass appeal>multiple games>tons of legendary monsters/characters as options>Nito (skeleton commander), 4 Kings, Kaathe and Frampt, Seathe, Gwyn (Knights commander), Bed of Chaos, Andre the Blacksmith (equipment), Vendrick, Aldia, The Rotten, Duke's Dear Freya, Lorian and Lothric, Slave Knight Gael (2 cards because normal and boss), etc>tons of options for legendary lands>Lothric Castle, Firelink Shrine, Darkroot Garden, The Abyss, Vendrick's Castle, Grave of Saints, Black Gulch, etcit lets you bring back Class enchantments again (Samurai, Warrior, Rogue, Deprived), can give you some powerful tribal themes >Demons>Dragons>Humans>Skeletons>BeastsEquipment also can work as another theme or idea, we've got firekeepers, you could also do some obnoxious terrible mechanic like The Ring Tempts You with Kindling like 3-4 times that scales up your creatures or gives them abilities like Undying/Regenerate/Persist. It's all there and you can have a secret lair for Sekiro, Bloodborne, and then Elden Ring for some bonus shit. >>97860015Correction>buying any MTG funds MTG. You can't spend hundreds or even thousands of dollars on this game and then complain about UBThey are not setting UB funds aside separately and only funding new UB with that lmao they are funding the entire game with the entire game as they have always done.>>97860049>Epic but goodGood.
>>97859774We're captured paypiggies playing a sterile and dying corporate nerd card game that's long past it's golden age (which wasn't that great to begin with). There's nothing much positive or fun to argue about with MtG, barring occasional pleasant surprises that briefly bring the sunlight back in like Bloomburrow.
>>97860063That card is ok, didn't mean that one specifically but the set in general
>>97860073>Even if I didn't, I'd prefer 4 revisits to fucking OTJOh I'm sure you'd love fucking OTJ again
>>97860075>buying any MTG funds MTG. You can't spend hundreds or even thousands of dollars on this game and then complain about UB>They are not setting UB funds aside separately and only funding new UB with that lmao they are funding the entire game with the entire game as they have always done.This is observably untrue, WotC treats them as separate products.When UB does well, they're crowing about how popular UB is, when UB doesn't do well they're coping and sneeding about how actually the distributors sold THEIR stock so it doesnt matter if the retailers sold it once they got it.If people only bought in-universe and UB was at best break-even or worse then in-universe, UB would disappear over night.Kill yourself tripfag.
>>97860106>If people only bought in-universe and UB was at best break-even or worse then in-universe>If only>IfEven you know deep in your dark heart that could never happen, mtg ip is THAT shitty
>>97860106Maybe if UW wasn't shit more people would buy it instead of waiting for sets from franchises people actually like.
>>97860131Holy shit is that a reasonable ask?! Sorry but UWfags dont do that
>>97859964why not cleric?WHY?
>>97860106>I'm just going to be retarded on purposeLol. Lmao, even. UB gets separated in discussion because it's brought up separately in discussion, by people who generally are complaining. A bad UB does poorly, a good UB does well, the message would not be "let's average these, UB is doing fine", it'd be "Wow people fucking loved Final Fantasy and LoTR but man people really didn't like TMNT or Spider Man" and hope that they'd take away that basically cool shit sells and gay shit doesn't. These are also planned so far in advance based solely on predictions that we won't see any noticeable, if any change at all (because we both know Hasbro will not reduce their demands for more UB) until we're past whatever point we already know they planned for. Look at Spider Man, I haven't heard a single good thing about the set, the cards (aside from Soul Stone), sales, etc but we're getting Marvel Superheroes. They didn't plan Marvel Superheroes immediately after Spiderman, it was already in the works.>>97860131>>97860125I think Magic's IP wavers in quality, but it's post Zendikar that it starts to get really shaky where sets range from insanely stupid to complete snorefests. Mirrodin, Kamigawa, and Lorewyn are cool as fuck.
I want to do it. I want to build Silverquill
>>97860125>>97860131>>97860151Stop saying reasonable things. I want old Magic back when they cared about the IP and the cards and the balance.
Emeritus of Woe? Warlock.Moseo, Vein's new Dean? Warlock.Postmortem Professor? Warlock.Scheming Silvertongue? Warlock.Cleric? Turd related.These god damn pigs from Seattle.
>>97860169>i want old magic back?But what IS old magic? Antiquities Urza? Legends Bolas? Gerrard and the OG Weatherlight crew? Kamahl? Jace? The fact you can never get a consistent answer on this is only proof that mtg has failed in creating a franchise; characters sell not vistas
>>97860169They don't just need to go back to being an actual dark fantasy game, they need to accept that they will be a dying IP until they start releasing GOOD visual media to start getting zoomies and aspies interested in the brand. Top tier anime full of shit that actually appeals to young men.Video games. And not virtual casinos or microtransaction shit, I mean good single player games with some multiplayer accessibility. Slay the Spire, Inscyrption, etc. Make a fucking Heroes of Might and Magic clone where you have to assemble an "army" (deck) and you go out and fight familiar faces in mtg planes.Releasing sets focused around appealing to mentally ill millenial manchildren isn't going to work forever. People want aesthetically pleasing cool shit again. I got into this game because I saw cards with Seb and Terese art when I was young and that got me interested. If I was a kid and saw pic related I'd have laughed and never touched MtG.
>>97860077Thank you for that honest summary, I'm still new since I dont count my brief stint playing around 2010. What a time to pick up the game.
>>97860207I get what youre saying but most millennial were babies when this game came out, blame the gen x gatekeepers
Literally every UW set since Aetherdrift has knocked it out of the park and Edge of Eternities' story absolutely mogs anything ever written in the Weatherlight Saga.Just saying.
>>97860253bait used to be believable
>>97860253Here's your (you), try a little harder and I'll bite next time.
>>97860253>Thank you Tansit Mage!>Transit Mage?>Because... Um... You're trans and you were fighting with magic>Oh yeahYep no surprise you love it, fag
>>97860260Some times its not bait. Some times its just the worst tastes possible.
>>97859638>TQRite of FlameMuscle BurstDiligent Farmhand
>>97860207mtg literally should just get crpgs every once in a whilewotc is funding that mass effect clone and trying to make another bg3 without larian so it feels pretty simple to just make games for the story shit past the times they were regularly making books
OG Mirrodin but it's a Souls-like starring Glissa. I'll take my 10 million dollars now, JotC.
>>97860260Have you *read* the fucking Weatherlight story? It sucks shit. All hype for no payoff. The dumbest fucking shit is constantly happening.Oh, the Phyrexians unleashed a plague. Good thing we have a cave under Dominaria that makes all dreams come true with no downsides that will heal everyone and that will never come up again. Oh, Urza says he can't help the Weatherlight. Why? Because they have to grow. Except that's a fucking lie since the plan didn't have anything to do with that it was just "shove these random bits of garbage into Karn to instantly win." Oh, Tarsir is back! What's he gonna do? Die instantly for nothing. Great story guys. Great story.
>>97860294Mtg stories AT BEST function fine as standalone stories like og lorwyn, but good luck making a franchise on that
>>97860125>>97860131Classic poopdickschizo post
>>97860151>>I'm just going to be retarded on purposeMask slipping there, tripfag. Not such a "chill guy" when confronted with your own stupid choices, huh?
>>97860318Poopdick loves in-universe though
>>97860288I hate mirrodin block for what it has done to magic but on the other hand it is probably one of my favorite blocks as far as aesthetics go. Would greenlight your idea.
hello friendsim a new player and i just played in person commander for the first time with a jump scare precon i picked up. i had a lot of fun, but i really want to try making my own deck. i love using agatha's soul cauldron in arena, so i kinda wanted to make a deck with that card and with self mill/recursion. if you wouldnt mind taking time to look at this, can you guys give me advice? im really bad so i dont know if i can properly judge the bracket of the deck, and i dont even know if its cohesive enough to be playable.https://moxfield.com/decks/AAytRs_o0Eif2BZkf3CGHw
>>97860318poopdick hates ub newfag
>>97860313MtG is at its best doing standalone stories. That shit works. Edge of Eternities is great because it's a mostly self-contained story about a magic rock and religious wars. Weatherlight? Shit. March of Machines? Shit except when we were talking about the Phyrexians and nothing else like with A Garden of Flesh.There's like 10 magic books out of like a hundred, and surprise surprise, it's all the ones that work as self-contained narratives. The moment they start to tell this grand sweeping epic? Goes to shit immediately. The first Mirrodin book is okay, but the second and third are a hallucination where characters are constantly waxing lyrical about how this and that character meant so much to them when that character existed for five minutes then died. Glissa says that random dog was a father figure to her when they had like two conversations and then he went off to die. Brother's War, Planeswalker, Time Streams, all good, you can read that one and you'll get everything that is happening; after that it immediately goes to shit. Lorwyn and Kamigawa don't even touch on anything outside of their worlds, and guess what, they're good.
>>97860328>no rebuttal whatsoever>best you can do is some weird vague comment about a mask slippingYou're on 4chan and you can't handle being called a retard? Go get some fresh air, my dude. UB's stuck with us, so if you draw the line at any, that's your business but I'll continue to ignore the cringe ones and buy the based ones. Same with normal MTG sets like how Strixhaven is maximum cringe but Lorwyn is based.>>97860288I'd play the shit out of it, but how do you address Glissa's super powerful god weapon from the start of the story? No equipables and instead when she gets the Darksteel sword at the end of the second book she just does less damage? I remember getting the Kaldra cards as a kid and that shit felt like magic the first time I pulled it off.
>>97860328>crying about being called retarded>on /tg/>in /edhg/tell me your new without telling me
>>97860409>your newHis new what?
do you faggots actually play this game?
>>97860484Yes. And I don't hate it.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>97860484Yes. And I love it
>>97860484Yes.
>>97860182Nevermind.We are so back.
>>97860484Sometimes (Post some cards/decks ppl)
>>97860589POWERFUL
>>97860602WHITE
>>97860606PUSSY
>>97860612CAT
>>97860598>>97860340pls help me with my deck
>>97860672this is a b1/b2 deck that cannot abuse agatha's soul cauldron without a major overhaul
>>97860598
>>97860726im not going to consistently get agatha's unless i put more tutors in (which im afraid of because i hear people hate that shit), so i have some backup stuff that interacts with counterswhat do you suggest doing to this deck?
>>97860730They really should errata oloro to have eminence
>>97860484Yes.>>97860598
>>97860751Find it weird that they didn't do it with this secret lair card that recently made for him
>>97860744Tutors are fine, but just realize they move you up to bracket 3. You'll be expected to have a highly cohesive and efficient deck at that level.
>>97860762then what is bracket 4? i dont understanfd this shit. i was using grok (lol) to help me build my deck and it kept saying this was a highly cohesive bracket 4 deck. holy shit im retarded
>>97860762Why are you lying to him? There are non bracket 3 tutors, and many of them are quite powerful.>>97860744Don't listen to this other guy anon. Even in bracket 2 you can run shit like>Diabloic Intent>Beseech the Mirroror if you want to go super low-power>Shred Memory (transmutes for exactly Agatha's Soul Cauldron)
>>97860744I suggest given you're new is to make a deck that revolves around grist because agatha's is not a fair card and your pod will not like it given that they are already complaining about tutors
>>97860744>because i hear people hate that shit)They can hate them all they want. If you say your deck is a bracket 3, and it is, they can pound sand when you vamp tutor.Diabolic tutor, Grim Tutor, Diabolic intent, and profane tutor are all perfectly fine in bracket 2.
>>97860788i dont have a pod, i just go up to randos and ask if they dont mind if a new player plays with them. i figure people wont mind if i use agatha's because im terrible and forget shit constantly.
>>97860771>1 = random junk slapped together>2 = precons and decks without any game changers (usually decks that work, but they're far from optimized)>3 = 3GC max, decks are expected to be efficient and optimized (e.g. your lands are all the good stuff like fast fetches, shocks, 5c lands, etc)>4 = same as above, but unlimited GCs, and 2 card instakill combos are allowed>5 = same as above, but hyper tuned to the current meta. Expect instakill combos on turn 2>>97860784I meant the GC tutors. Shoulda been more specific.
>>97860788also the only reason i picked grist was because i heard it was good to use in agatha's soul cauldron. if i dont go with soul cauldron ill prolly just go all in on self mill/recursion, maybe some plant shit cus i like insidious roots
>>97860811Think there are better self-mill commanders that will hit more than one card a turn like grist.Sure, she makes a body, but don't think that's worth it.
Shit that I've gotten chastised about playing mtgo commander>t3 serra ascendant should be banned>alexios should be banned>flubs the fool "would get you kicked out of my pod">donating aggressive mining in a b3 game was "b4 activity">my opponent's urza's saga in a b1 game was perfectly fine
>>97860864>hating flubsBut why
>>97860864newfag poster here, i played my first game in person yesterday and a guy was using an alexios deck. by turn 3 he had flying, double strike, trample, life link, and was doing 24 damage to players. bro said it was a bracket 2 deck lol. everyone ganged up on him, knocked him out, and we played a boring game for another hour because the people left had over 60 hp.
>>97860864>>97860871Flubs is just begging you to play breach thoracle, anything else is just cope and no i'm not going to trust that you have a fair deck
>>97860856suggestions?
>>97860905>he thinks of gay Thoracle shit instead of infinite bugs and landfallThat's distinctly a (you) problem.
>>97860918>instead of thoracle here's one of many infinites, thanks engine commander from the cz!!I take it you wont complain if i use godo then? 'tis a fair infinite too
Need me an abzan witch commander who hexes enemies with aura tokens
>>97860905I play burn so I can go pure top deck.
>>97860900I play alexios in a gift/donate deck. He's not my commander. Having him as the commander is rough.
>>97860864>>donating aggressive mining in a b3 game was "b4 activity"He aint wrong, that's MLD.
>>97860962Nope, it doesn fit gavin's definiton
>>97860993>can't play lands>not mass land denialWrong.
>>97860075>image search can't find who this isTell me. Is she from some weird obscure jrpg or something?
>>97859638TQ: Say Its Name, just so that it fucking works in Commander. Maybe Altanak too, but eh.
>Scryfall shitting the bed again
>>97859706definitely "infinite handsize" unless you benefit from discarding, having things in your graveyard, et.c.it can be solved in 2-3 cards, reliquary tower, that decanter artifact (also gives you mana), or whichever sorcery you choose that give you no maximum handsize for the rest of the game.
>>97859684Every card should have flavour text
>You can play X additional land cards a turn>They are now replacement effects and don't stackI fixed landfall, you're welcome.
>>97860329>>97860348Uh oh melty
>>97861075I agree, but it would also make Plot Armour less useful :(
>>97860997>only affects you>not destroying 4 or more lands per playerzedruu WILL make you cry
I got the Draconic Dissent precon cheap a few months back, didn't really have a use for it but I couldn't pass the deal up. Costco has those Tarkir precons in a pack, so I got the Temur one, and I picked up the Miirym secret lair. I basically just threw everything from that together plus some extra ramp and Jesus fucking christ That shit just went off and didn't slow down a little. I blew the table out after thinking it wouldn't be *that* good but wew lads. Who do you guys like helming the deck? I was gonna do Miirym but then a friend recommended i try Ureni out for the first time. I got to his his effect like 8 times and it was amazing. Also willing to hear out any recommendations of weird stuff for the deck
>>97861108>one of, if not THE, strongest tribal commander>in the best ramp colors>it was goodNo shit?
>>97860598>not the jews editngmi
>>97860756>>97860484An excuse to post my girl? Will do I would trade half my fuckin binder for the surge foil of her but NO ONE has it
>>97860378God I love watching this guy sperg out
>>97861134>168That's rough, but not as bad as I thought. Just save and do your girl right.
>>97861108Miirym and Ureni are interchangable, the deck is powerful enough where it simply doesn't matter who your commander is - it works wonders all on its own. (Though I prefer Miirym)
>>97861144You don't have to defend yourself from him 3 hours later. You're better than this.
>>97861108>ware wa Milim!
>>97861160Trip back on
>see pic rel>oh that's neat>only as a sorceryGOD FUCKING DAMMIT
>>97860756>proxy of 2 dollar card>400 dollar landWUT
>>97861163Wait a minute my temur dragon commander can't be this cute
>>97861173You're in white after all. Activating effects on other people's turns wouldn't be very just of you anon. Be thankful there isn't a once per turn clause
>>97861173>can't steal counterspells from each blue player nonstop thank heavens
>>97861173>Oh no. Wotc made it balanced
>>97861026He's an AIfag, that's probably just some slop he made up on a whim. Now stop talking about off topic shit.>>97861170>>97861144If I call you a retarded faggot will you leave for another 3 hours? Not gonna tolerate more stupid dramashit in this thread. Are you bored? So bored that you have to derail a completely relaxed thread?
>>97861205Haha yeah imagine if WotC printed a card in UB that could trigger on each turn and cast for free, with the only trade-off being that you can only cast something of lesser mana value than what they milled haha
>>97861238>If I call you a retarded faggot will you leave for another 3 hours? Not gonna tolerate more stupid dramashit in this thread.Trip back on swordsperg.
>>97861272Keep saying it, I can literally feel the tumor growing in my namefield.
>>97861267>Pay 2 and do it, versus cast 2 spells and have random chance>These are actually the same
>>97861283>>Pay 2 and do it, versus cast 2 spells and have random chanceCasting 2 cantrips would be literally the exact same. In fact it would be better because I get 2 card effects.
>>97861281Silly swordsped, that's not your trip!
>>97861291>I'm just going to have 8 cantrips every turn rotation and top of possibly completely whiffing.>This is way better!Your need to seethe about UB is clouding your mind.
>>97861291>I cast two 1 mana spells, so I can hope to get another 1 drop.that's really bad anon.
>>97861303>>I'm just going to have 8 cantrips every turn rotationIn esper? Uh... yah. But you're moving the goalposts and I won't let you do it. You were defending the effect being sorcery speed. You got shown an effect that not only isn't sorcery speed but can go off more than once a rotation. You have no argument>>97861303>>97861304So you resort to samefagging
hybridfags will defend this is a mono blue card>inb4 muh u can do anyting!!
>>97861298I'm going to back down because this fight is stupid dramashit that I was trying to avoid and I can't handle using a trip even ironically.
>>97859638Counterspell.Timmy will suffer.
>>97861320Don't look now, but Scour From Existence is UUUUUUU "Exile target permanent"
>>97861361AIEEE NO DON'T SAY THAT
>>97861205For 4 mana I can just cast any i/s from your grave without paying its cost at instant speed
>>97859760NTA, but bad counterarguments>1."The best for winning the game and dealing with the boardstate" being varied between games does not mean that there isn't a state where you can pick out seven cards that will win you the game ever. Counterpoint: if you need 21 cards to win, either your deck is bad or you're in such a clusterfuck of a game that all hypotheticals are useless because of the unlikelihood of that setup happening again.>2.Conversely, there are cards that want a full graveyard, or a few key cards in it, and unlike cards tied to hand count they're not usually win-more.>3.Anon's point is that when you have that handsize, you should be winning the game. There's a flaw in his argument too that works in his favor; you don't actually discard down to size until the end of your turn, so if you untap with that many cards in hand, the game shouldn't be getting to your end step. Even if you don't think you can close it out, you can use that time to stabilize you field without painting a massive target on your back that a mono-blue deck with three hands of cards entails. Adding no maximum hand size cards that don't have some secondary effect just increases the odds that these cards aren't going to help you achieve that closure.Having said that if you're in mono-blue there's practically no reason to not run Reliquary Tower since you can usually be flexible in monocolor about includig utility lands.
>>97861400How could they have changed this to actually be decent
>>97861418New errata policy.
>>978613202brid was always going to a problem solved by a single sentence:"A card with hybrid mana can be included in a deck so long as all its colored costs may be paid"A blue deck would not be able to pay the green or red costs and thus it would be out of color. Unless you really like the idea of it being 6 colorless and thus a shitty addition to any deck.
>>97859684I think that +1/+1 counter is so that the basic 3/3 beast token triggers her fight ability.
no, it would not had been broken to give white black counterspells for 2 additional mana and a creature sac
>>97861440but ub
>>97861433Incorrect, hybrid was never a problem, just the inverse of mono color cards with multicolor identities; hybrid are multicolor cards that can have monocolor identitiesThe autism against it all boils down to not wanting to see broccoli in mono fire, it quite literally is reducible to just that
>>97859684I would of replaced the 1{g/r} with 1{u/r} so we can use all the cool Simic/Temur Beast stuff.
>>97861470but sheldon's dead dick isn't gonna suck itself.
>>97861470You also forgot the stupid argument that WotC could totally print busted hybrid cards in the future because they never, ever printed busted colorless cards to force into every deck before, so hybrid mana is the only thing holding them back from making universal staples.
>>97861108I use my Miirym when people use basic bitch commanders. Pretty solid winrate since most of what you want is a dragon and has ramp/removal/CA. In fact, that's why people have a boner for Dinosaurs.
>>97861514I would have no problem with this card if it were real. The fact it costs 2 instead of 1 is huge.
>>97861524You're right I forgot to give it haste, defender, and "this creature can't block"
>>97861497Blue doesn't add anything interesting though. I would have rather have him be naya at that point so you can run godsire and cool fight tech like mark of asylum.
>>97861433But it is castable in mono U. Wasn't that the argument? Ur gonna make a different rule and cope for every single hybrid type? Lmao
Hybrid should be "or" unless your commander is blue, where it's "and"Island has had it too good for too long.
>>97861543If it required the colored costs (the 2 mana cost is colorless, it is explicitly not colored) it would not be permitted.Please keep up I don't really have the patience to explain for the slowest in the class every time.
>Yesterday is EDH night at FLGS>Go>Pod of 3>Spend the first five turns with 2 mana>Face a 2-on-1 because of that; lose>New group>7 mana game>Someone T1 Winds of Change>Spend the first four turns with a single filter land>Manage to get my combo off>Need a full turn rotation to set up my field>Fishing with infinite draws for the pieces>Second piece is at the bottom of the deck>Next game comes in>Fucker rolls up and Grindstone + Painter's Servant to a B3 game, ramps/tutors into it>Get out my "I'm fucking tired" deck>Top 17 cards of my deck: Sol Ring, Force of Will, Sensei's Divining Top, and FOURTEEN FUCKING LANDS>Scoop, next game>T5 Thoraccle win>Go home>Jerk off>Go to bedSometimes... I just hate card games.
>>97861571Wouldn't that make every single hybrid pip card excluded for mono color?
>>97861587>7 mana gameMeant to say "7 man game"
>>97861613you cannot pay me sit in a 7 man game
>>97861587I keep telling people that brackets are best played with hard limits on combo turns (e.g. only on turn 7+ to infinite in b3 regardless of your consistency or number of combo pieces) otherwise you get into these lucksack situations where oops i naturally drew my combo turn 3 hahaha and people angleshoot for the most consistent combo that will still fool people as being 'inconsistent enough'
Ideas for a fun mono blue deck with picrel feel? Or even decklists? A friend of mine is interested in Magic after playing a couple games with my group. We gave him a mono green deck, since it was the easiest to play we had and it was good fun. When I explained the color identity he seemed most interested in blue. He is not the control type of player typically associated with blue but he likes the flavor of logic and technology. I think he would enjoy cards like picrel at least in terms of flavor.We are likely going to proxy the deck first but it'd be nice if actually getting the real deal isn't financial suicide.
>>97861587>combo playerYou get what you deserve.
>>97861620Well it was more of a 6-man game since I didn't do anything except jerk off at the end and make everyone draw a bajillion cards before killing myself and accidentally kingmaking>Temur mutate that goes for a Thoraccle win.>Me with Group Hug>B/W Vampires, that one that makes 4/3 demons>Chatterfag combo, ragebaited thd first on the list by taking a victory lap after he got his combo off and randomly saying "no, you can't draw a card" at him randomly>Madison Lee precon>U/B voting using a LotR elf, can't tell you>KaaliaLowish-power all things considering
>>97861592No, anon, because you can pay the hybrid mana with either color of mana. So long as it doesn't include a non-hybrid pip of another color or a hybrid pip with colors you can't pay, it would be valid.Put differently, "If a card has hybrid mana you have to be able to pay one of the colors of each hybrid mana symbol in the card."
Yo dawg we heard you liked Braingeyser so we printed a card that is a strict upgrade to Braingeyser
>>97861026Have you never heard of AI art, sir?
>>97861695Simic upgrade to Mind Spring sure, but Braingeyser is based because you can kill an opponent if you have enough mana.
Weird how this general is now okay with AI because swordfag is doing it
>>97859730yeah I agree with this. when I'm playing against retards who don't shut down rhystic and/or the One Ring theres a lot of discard but its not stuff I typically need at that time (alternate win cons, extra lands etc)
>4 mana>make something harder to block with a uninteractable emblem>get 2 lands to battlefield if you have your commander and literally any other creature>more lands if boardstate is better developed How is this shit not more popular?
>Dude spends a month asking to play with range of influence>We agree>He brings Pramikon, Sky Rampart so he just hands the win to the guy opposite him
>>97861744>4 mana>Requires you control multiple creatures>Payoff is rampYour question has been answered.
>>97860762no tutors do not automatically move you up to bracket 3. Grim Tutor and Diabolical Tutor and Profane Tutor are not on the "game changer" list. Only demonic tutor, vampiric tutor and imperial seal are on the "GC" list. Neither is Beseech the Queen or Beseech the Mirror. Also every green card that says "search your library for a forest" is a tutor- and those are way out of control in lower brackets which is why its ok to run Acid Rain in brackets 2 & 3.
>>97861653Flavorwise Octavia Living Thesis I guess. For technology there's tons of monoblue artifacts commanders to choose from, like Sai Master Thopterist or Mm'menon. If you can wait a few weeks it sounds like the Quandrix precon may be up his alley since that's the math college in Strixhaven.
So how the hell do I make this commander not shit?Just shove as many U/G flash/instants into my deck with X in manacost and slap em down during my opp's turn?
>>97860864serra ascendant in commander is pretty poor taste. it should be errata'd to be "10 more than your starting life total" not 30 life. I run 4x Serra ascendant in a legacy mono white life gain deck and there its awesome. if you're playing below bracket 4 with an early Serra ascendant its just bad taste overall.
>>97861803This but true duals, using them in anything other than cedh is 100% tactless
>>97860864>mtgo commanderHonestly sounds even worse than spelltable commander ngl
>>97861792I hate how all the new precon commanders are hard once per turns, like, why is wotc deliberately trying to nerf the precons? Is it because people are complaining about them?
>>97861730This general is ok with proxies so ofc they'd be ok with human proxies too- i mean ai
>>97861587>jerk offseek help, get a gf
>>97861834It's probably because precons are for small children and women. If you want a real commander build a real deck.
>>97861841>Get a GFYou've never had a GF before. You're still jerking off. They don't want to suck and fuck every day of the week.
>>97861830thats not accurate at all, if you arent a just-born baby retard you may very well have a couple of true duals when they were cheap back in 2009, 10, 11...shit a French Badlands or Scrublands is still $100so no using true duals just shows you value your gaming time
>>97861855If you arent a just-born baby retard you wouldnt be crying about a turn 1 serra ascendant in edh
>new sleeves my deck is falling over slippery does anybody wanna cut?>okay! oops I drew 8 cards but it's ok I'm going first anyway!>hmmm maybe I should send this hand back! idk ~ guess I'll keep it!>Ready?>Ancient Tomb>Mox Diamond>Sol Ring>Wheel of Fortune>Pass turn tee hee ~How mad would you be?
>>97861855>Here's my modified Ashling precon>What did you modify it with?>Oh, I just put in every true dual, shock, fetch, and triomes.Some of these precons will be bracket 4 just optimizing its land bases, so lets not pretend they aren't powerful.
>>97861867This is why I hate proxiniggers. No one with a real WoF is this tactless
>>97861867>badlands rograkh mox amber culling the weak ad nausNot mad at all
>>97861872>Some of these precons will be bracket 4 just optimizing its land basesLOL
>>97861853I've most likely had more girlfriends in the past 10 years than you will have in your entire lifeand yeah that is accurate that also doesnt mean you need to wack it every day, if you do thats a sign of needing help. plus its good to let everything build back upalso thoracle is a cheesy in commander, keep it in vintage where people can run 4x FoW to actually play against it because otherwise its just a lame win con.
>>97861879It's all fun and games until a fake gaea's cradle hits the field
>>97861876Those were in the hand you discarded sorry sweetie you drew 7 bricks :^)
>>97861872This is why the brackets were a mistake. They essentially inject gameplay experience and philosophy into a card game. Except you're expected to debate that philosophy with people whose capacity for thought plateaued in 5th grade.
>>97861885Nope you went first i drew a god hand with your wheel them's the breaks :)
>>97861888They?Who's 'they'?
>>97861888All they need to do is state that lands that don't appear in precons aren't allowed in bracket 2.
>>97861872you could take any precon and change out the cards in it to be the best cards and that would make it an even better deck. >swapped out cancel for FoW>swapped out Command Sphere for Chrome Mox>swap out lands that come in tapped for Ice Age pain landsI mean this can be applied to anything
>>97861888Glad my LGS doesn't use brackets.
>>97861888Brackets are both intention and outcome based. A deck that is a "2 :3" that is winning consistently on turn 4 should be revised if it's intended to be Bracket 2, or correctly identified and labeled a 4.So long as you're not an angle shooting jackass they work fine. If your friend is a retard and can't judge his brackets you're just going to end up with one or two shitty games figuring out what he's fucked up and you can correctly slap his nuts on the matter if he somehow 'disagrees' with clear evidence that he's labeled it incorrectly.
>>97861908>>97861625
>>97861896The brackets ESL-kun
>>97861888They don't work but newfags will religiously argue with you how they are great and everyone is just dumb. They will then ignore the objective fact debate on brackets is everywhere and over takes threads here and elsewhere.They are poorly designed "rules" with poor clarity and it encourages angle shooting and makes it difficult to brew because you don't know what people will consider bracket 1, 2, 3, 4, etc. Because they sure as fuck don't use the info we were originally given
>>97861908I think the problem is that Commander games already take so fucking long that "one bad game" caused by someone with the play pattern evaluation skills of a toddler can mean 30+ minutes wasted minimum.
>>97861908Wrong, stupid idiot faggot retard. Because then you get people like this>>97861872who think a precon with better lands is bracket 4
>>97861898bracket 2 is not a pre-con bracket, thats bracket 1 (or as I call it, bracket K for kindergarten) bracket 2 is for good decks that don't have any cards from the arbitrary groomer committee's "game changer" list
>>97861917If you're not injecting gameplay experience and philosophy into a social card game you're doing it wrong
>>97861924>who think a precon with better lands is bracket 4Its a mystery.>>97861926Sorry, WotC who is the word of god has said bracket 2 is for precons by default. Your opinion of it doesn't matter.
>>97861926That's not what we were told by WOTC early on. You can't change definitions like this.
>>97861920Oh yeah and commandersalt was such a better way of doing it, right? I'd rather have a metric that is both results and intention based with uniform guidelines to argue over than funny magic numbers.>>97861924Some precons with a better mana base MIGHT be a 4. I'd have to look at what mana you're putting in and what precon. This kneejerk shit is literally what brackets help resolve.>>97861922If you weren't willing to waste 30 minutes with your friend he's not your friend.
>>97861935No one fucking used commander salt. The fuck are you on about? They DISCUSSED SHIT. You fucking socially awkward newfag
>>97861920The fact that even the most rabid rule zero fag will kvetch and cry and moan that wotc still keeps rhystic and thoracle legal despite the supposed sanctity of rule zero only proves that rules from word of god work and you're just salty that wotc owns the format now
>>97861935If you try to tell me my land base changes my precon to 4 I will tell you to fuck off and if you don't, I will shout in your face.
>>97861932>this AI called a precon bracket 4That is perhaps indicative the AI doesn't work.>>97861935>Some precons with a better mana base MIGHT be a 4. I'd have to look at what mana you're putting in and what precon. This kneejerk shit is literally what brackets help resolve."No!"You stupid fucking moron shit for brains. You absolute retard. EVERY precon has moronic design decisions that make them mediocre at best. Perfect fetches, ABUR duals and surveils and what have you do not remove the random bulk rares that populate the deck.
>>97861940You made the bait too obvious at the end.You'll reply to try and salvage this but I won't see it because-
>>97861932>i asked a machine for its opinion look what it saiddo mutts really...?
>>97861950Yeah that's right you better run hahaha
>>97861932>b2 is preconsThey already updated that a year ago, gavin had to eat crow in doing so too4/10 bait, made me correct you
All precons are bracket 2Adding sick lands does not up your bracketthe end.
>>97861933pre cons to me are bracket 1 level typicallytheir "guidance" also says no "MLD" and had previously limited "tutors" but said nothing about green land tutoring/rampingso their shit is all fucked up and even then they still say they're in "beta testing"some pre cons are great like the Braids, Nightmare Arisen one on MTGO for sure, but they're not all that strong
>>97861970That's cool. It isn't what the infograph we were given said. I adhere to every specific letter in that and every single specific wording. They are rules and rules are not open to interpretation. Please make your own format.
>>97861968All unmodified precons are b1 by defaultAdding true duals makes you tackyAdding cradle makes you a pubstomper playing with his foodThe end.
>>97861978Not what the graph said>B-B-B-B-B-B-B-BUT GAVIN SECRETLY CHANGED ITNo one got that memo it seems and he did a bad job in communicating a massive fundamental rule change to a format. Perhaps get someone better to be in charge?
>>97861433>>97861690Two different rules in sub-1 hour. Really consistent change you got there anon lmao, really rolls off the tongueOnly good thing Gavin has done is putting you in your place
>>97861980imagine pretending to be this retarded
>>97861938>>97861946>>97861947Okay sure, believe whatever you want to believe. I'm not here to solve your mental sickness, I'm telling you how it is and how I see it, and if you can't tell the difference between the two it is actually and factually not my problem.>>97861968Not even all unmodified precons are bracket 2. They literally talked about that in a big header that says "Core (Bracket 2) Update: No Longer Tied to Precons"
I think people should post decks instead of arguing about brackets
>>97861935I'm employed nigga friend or not it pisses me off when my limited time where everyone can actually get together is wasted because someone can't be assed to match the effort level while the people whose literal job it is to regulate the format can't be assed to make a real banlist because they're afraid of pissing off retards that think curving Rhystic Study is the pinnacle of gameplay and that they can totally angleshoot that their Isochron Scepter combo "isn't consistent".
>be me>buy precon for 50 (fifty) USD>Go to play it>get informed I am not allowed to due to some autistic bracket thing that is contained no where in the rules>I wasted 50 dollars>leave store>never return>possible repeat business lost
>>97861985All precons are bracket 2>B-B-BUT GAVINDid not communicate any changes. He just posts it on his podcast that gets 5k views. You don't get to make massive fundamental rule changes in short order and then not scream those fucking changes to the heavensImagine if hybrid mana changed and it was just some shit one dev put out in their fucking podcast.
>>97861981If changing the words I use to describe the same rule is too much for you then I guess we can't have hybrid mana; playerbase is just too fucking stupid.>>97861987Then you need to get better fucking friends nigga. I don't know what else to tell you.
>>97861989>he is ignorant about a card game that needs an internet connection
>>97861987If you don't have free time to play then that is a you issue. Get a better job/life. Also realize "budgeting in hobbies" also includes time budgeting. If you can't dedicate that time then you can't "afford it"
I already have an Eriette deck but the new Killian seems cool.
>>97861985>Not even all unmodified precons are bracket 2. They literally talked about that in a big header that says "Core (Bracket 2) Update: No Longer Tied to Precons"That's because decks can be better than precons and live at bracket 2.
>>97861982thats from October 2025 they updated the shits again in February of this year
>>97861994>WOW MAYBE THAT CUSTOMER SHOULD HAVE RESEARCHED BETTERNot really how things work nor have worked for 30+ years.This isn't going to make the store feel better about losing business.>guy with precon bought thing and may buy more>fat faggots playing EDH literally come for a free event and then scare off new customers.
Slip In The Front WInstantPut a +1/+1 counter on target creature. It phases out.
>>97862007Proof next thread?
>>97861993mf it is not MY JOB to fix the fucking system for WotC by expecting my friends to invest so much time into the game that they'll finally start intuiting how fun a play pattern is. That is THEIR JOB. WOTC. THEY NEED TO DO THEIR JOB. NOT ASK THE PLAYERS TO "RULE 0" AND DO IT FOR THEM.
>TFW Your deck is bracket 2 and worse than a precon
>>97862019This is why it makes no sense to build custom decks in bracket 2.
am i gonna be bullied at my lgs if i proxy all my cards?am i gonna be bullied if theyre all waifus?
>>97862017GōtC has no place being in charge of or defining anything to do with commander in the first place and the more involved they become with it, the more fucked up the format becomes
>>97862017They can't fix your stupid friends anon. I'm sorry. Nobody can. They have to get smarter on their own.
>>97862009>Not really how a card game with oracle text you have to look up online has worked for more than a decade nowOk luddite enjoy being scammed forever
>>97862032>am i gonna be bullied at my lgs if i proxy all my cards?No. It's basically just here that cries about proxies. I have never actually seen someone take issue in person. Ever.>am i gonna be bullied if theyre all waifus?Maybe not openly. But everyone is going to think less of you if it's just a bunch of those AI half naked women.
>>97862031b2 decks can be battlecruiser style where its a slow build up on all sides. I will have a good deck and take out the "game changer" cards and play it in bracket 2 and it plays fair. not the most aggressive decks but a "bracket 3" deck powered down works well in b2
>>97862042>Asmongold fagoh it's you.Must be bored for the next week, huh? lmao
>>97861989wait what happened? what bracket are precons?
>>97862032To question 1: I've heard of some stores that don't allow proxies, but I've never seen one and can't say for certain they aren't the invention of an internet schizophrenic. To question 2: I hope so.
>>97862048Bracket 2, 3, and 4 can easily play together with little issue. Bracketfags are just new and didn't play prior to brackets.
>>97862051>aaaaiiiieee not that kind of eceleb!Here's one more your speed i got you
>>97862052Originally 2. But apparently Gavin stealth changed it and never really informed anyone? So now new players have to ask the store guy what bracket each precon is before he buys.
>>97862065The only e-celeb I listen to is based Charlie.
>>97862035>Company should not have to do their fucking job because the playerbase can totally do better self-regulating just like with DBDSUICIDE. NOW.>>97862039>Dude they're just stupid because they made the mistake of thinking they didn't intuit what all the broad rules meant and only followed the explicit ones. They should just materialize all the knowledge needed to understand play patterns and consistency before their first game, in the format where the average player struggles with figuring out they need more removal than Swords to Plowshares in their deckALSO SUICIDE. NOW.
>>97862076rest in peace charlie..
>>97862032the store owner probably won't let you play because they can't host Friday night magic or ranked tournaments if they allow proxies. they also make money not just from junk food snack sales but from people wanting to buy singles/staples from them. so if you print out 5 staples instead of spending $30 at the store they lose money and don't want thatwhich is why you have to just get straight up counterfeit cards from china that pass all tests (I recommend using a mix of real and fake cards)if you use one with fake backs, no copyright information and some altered art (not painted-on art extensions but like customer printed big breasted Lulu that GōtC clearly wouldn't print because they're gay) it can be seen right away that its a "proxy" cardof course maybe the game store DOES allow proxies so then you could do it to your hearts content but generally if you can look them up on the Gatherer app they are affiliated as a recognized magic-hosting game store and cannot allow fake cards to continue that relationship with GōtC (so you have to be sneaky)
>>97862089>the store owner probably won't let you play because they can't host Friday night magic or ranked tournaments if they allow proxies.This shit is false.
>>97862076Lib manlets are not to be taken seriously though
>>97862065The Hasan edits are pure gold Shame mtg artfags don't exist or we'd have him in Chandra goggles casting Lightning Bolt on Isamaru
>>97862093Libs don't conceal carry
>>97861993>A card with hybrid mana can be included in a deck so long as all its colored costs may be paidThen guttural response can't be in mono R>No I meant all separate hybrid pips if a card has hybrid mana you have to be able to pay one of the colors of each hybrid mana symbol in the card.Defeats the original argument in favor of hybrid, which was being able to play it in decks that can cast it, because allegedly all mono colors contained in a hybrid card could be standalone cards in that mono>Can't have hybridYup, remember that you lost and stay down like a good lolcow
>>97862058What turn the deck can "go off" and what form that takes (combat damage, combo, etc) matters more than bracket, but bracket can be a useful shorthand for describing this.
>>97862082wow seethe more tranny. you will never be a woman. commander is a player-made, player-run format and every single year that Groomers of the Coast has been at the helm (its what 2, 3 years now?) the format has gotten more retarded and fucked up. they are running it into the ground actively from all sides, printing stupid shit aimed at undermining the game AND making half-rules that fracture the player bases both in person and on MTGO
>>97862100Libs lie so concealing things is second nature to them
>>97862089my lgc literally doesn't carethey've even told people to proxy when they moaned that a new card is $20+
>>97862105I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you anon. Gutteral Response could be paid for in mono red because you can pay the G/R mana with red mana.This can't be fun, I don't know why you keep pretending to be this brain-damaged.
>>97862110At last I truly see
>>97862068You mean this? >>97861982True, they're gone lol>please refer to the brackets 2.14-2.37 no counterspells minimum turn 9 precons tableI wonder how much further we'll cater to cryfags
>>97862129>still doubling downyou must have a fetish at this pointworthless
>>97862106No, it really can't. Because no one agrees on what brackets are. This thread is proof.
>>97862157This is 4chan, you don't have to sign your posts here.
>>97862108go away asmonfag lol
>>97862161But enough about rule zero
Where was it said that bracket 2 isn't precons?No, seriously, where was it explicitly said.
>>97862187Only real magic fans know about the mothership
This GotC shit is so forced it's annoying as shit seeing this guy reply every time someone mentions WotC trying to force it. It's at the point I don't even want to use JotC anymore solely because it's adjacent to this autist.
>>97862198Is that code for Gavin's shitty podcast on youtube?
goblins of the ghost
>>97862206what is even gotc?
>>97862210>not a real magic fanMassive mask off moment
>>97862019>Take my custom bracket 2 to game night.>A guy is playing a barely modified ashling deck.>Tells me my deck isn't a bracket 2 because it has a 6 mana lord in it.>Proceeds to bounce the board every turn with sunderflock and populate from nesting dovehawk and burning us for 10 a turn from roaming throne and champion of the path.>"Its just a precon"Bracket 2 feels like the most angleshooty wildwest of all the brackets. I doubt your deck is really worse when people will pull wild shit and still say its "barely modified"
>>97862218some guy trying to force "groomer" because he cannot conceive of any slogan or name not tied to his politics.
>>97862223The entire point of bracket 2 is to angleshoot. If you aren't, then you are playing the format wrong.
>>97862206The anon just happens to be dumb even if he was right about wotc being shitty
>>97862225not a fan. I like jotc better
>>97862218gock of the coast (based)
>>97862169I have no fucking clue who asmon is I'm not terminally online like you zoomer brain
>>97862225In fairness, Wizards constantly shove politics into everything, so it's an unfortunate consequence that it comes up a lot in discourse.JotC is better because it puts scrutiny specifically on Nosewater though.>>97862245Gay.
>>97862206they ARE groomers, they arent necessarily jewish. calling them jews is too inflammatory but calling them groomers raises more eyebrows about them being literal actual groomers
>>97862253anon last thread you called them groomers for having adult characters in a college setting
>>97862253>Validate my mental illness!No.
>>97862218If wizards of the coat is abbreviated as "WotC" (or Watt-see) Groomers of the Coast (since they endlessly push troon and gay shit on everyone) is the more fitting name for their company in the 2020s. This can be abbreviated as "GōtC" (using specifically the linguistic accent mark ō) which in turn is pronounced "Goat-see". Hope this helps
reminder that the average strixhaven box will only have 3 rare and 1 mythic bonus sheet cards
>>97862274>This can be abbreviated as "GōtC" (using specifically the linguistic accent mark ō) which in turn is pronounced "Goat-see". Hope this helpsOkay this is fairly clever, I did not catch the fuckery with the O. Will consider adopting, pretty funny stuff.
>>97862264I didnt, but them having massive amount of gay shit and fostering faggotry in general does make them groomers. and them having a massive presence on pReddit which is the grooming home of the internet and discord is especially used to curate spaces used to groom young and/or vulnerable young people (loser kids/rejects) into being molded into troonsits well known that GōtC engages in these practices because they've been full-tilt far-left since 2020 banning cards in response to Fentanyl Floyd's overdose. They are cultists and groomers, and yes some jews do work for them
>>97862292>I didntAnon you called them groomers for this card right here
>>97862292It always the people who talk like this that you see on the new for being found with 3 TBs of cheese pizza and tranny porn.
>>97862252The problem is using "groomer" doesn't work when your political side is also groomers.
>>97862276Surprised they aren't collectors only and an average of 1 per 2 cases (not boxes)
Any idea or system of critique, no matter how profound, will deteriorate to a shitty low resolution version of itself when it is spread to the masses. This happened with liberal postmodernism, resulting in the silliness of mainstream society. I am witnessing the same retardification of reactionary right philosophy in the mental midget ideologues of this thread.
>>97862317No. Republicans didn't groom anyone. They just paid to fuck kids. There a world of difference between forcing someone to change their entire personality, devolve into degeneracy, and change their whole world view and just smashing some cunny.Everyone wants to smash tight virgin cunny, no one wants to be a troon, which is why they need to be groomed.
>>97862343lol
>>97862317Why not? It doesn't stop leftoids from using "grifter." Groomers should be called out regardless of political affiliation, and it happens that all the groomers and grifters at Hasblow are all of a particular political valence.
>>97862291and thats why its so great if you can turn it around into people saying "I love GōtC" or other goofy shit>>97862300yeah I dont think that was me. I was the one arguing that strix was copping Harry Potter for the card Homesick>>97862302yeah I don't think so. I come back to magic every few years and its become so cultish since 2020 that I almost don't want to play it at all, but instead of being a pussy about it I'm going to go against itso no, most people who realize Floyd was massive criminal and that encouraging troon shit and drag queen shit in a high-fantasy card game aimed at ages 13+ are not pedos (or troons)but thanks for the pReddit call-back where "everyone I dont like is a pedo". you will never be a woman.
I can't believe /mtg/ is somehow worse than this place.
>>97862276I wasn't gonna buy it regardless and haven't bought any new Magic product since 2018. Not even Final Fantasy or Lord of the Rings which I thought were actually good examples of some fitting "universes beyond" shit since LOTR has influenced all other high-fantasy shit since the 1950s and FF was a Japanese take on high-fantasy for a long time
>>97862276>An entire box of boosters will have 3 rareswut
>>97862300this art is literally just arry botta
>>97861730Majority of the planet is fine with AI art. It's only autistic retards and bitter artists who are still whining about it.
>>97862426>Majority of the planet is fine with AI art.Source?
>>97862427>>97862426While I am broadly pro-AI, the "majority of the planet" is jeets and chinks, which may not be the greatest demographic to argue from....
>>97862427Ai art is just a proxy for human art
>>97862400the bonus sheet, yes. 9.6% rare and 2.9% mythic over 30 boostershttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/collecting-secrets-of-strixhaven
>>97862434Its a brush, or a pencil, just like any other art implement. Though, it does in fact, have a very low skill floor.
>>97862443Operating a printer is even lower skill
>>97862443ok rajesh
>>97862427I talk to and interact with normies regularly
>>97862472I doubt this
>>97862431While I am broadly pro-proxy, the "majority of the planet" are poorfags and timmies and counterfeiters, which may not be the greatest demographic to argue from....
>>97862472this happened btw
>>97862431>>97862479These are both correct statements.
>>97862479While I'm broadly pro-magic, the "majority of the planet" is UB.
>>97862486Finally someone with consistent logic>forgot gooners btw>timmies poorfags counterfeiters and gooners, what a teamup indeed
>>97862489UB is magic though?
who's doing modern horizons 2 drafts today on MTGO? im hoping to get an Urza's saga or the Ragavan Monke to add to my commander deck
>>97861730stop mentioning the pedofurfaggot before something makes him lose his other parent.
>>97862253If you want to get culture war mode, the average normie is not aware of the baggage and nuance "groomer" carries, but are more open to question jews now that the Israel war machine is on full display, which in turn plants the seed against where much of groomer ideology comes from
>>97862580well that is true one of my next door neighbors who is just some older 60 year old lady who works at a gas station was talking about jews and Rothschilds and shit so youre probably rightI'm not trying to get off topic though with specifically POL type chat I just bring up the groomer shit whenever it's somewhat relevant. now im waiting in queue to draft so I hope this board stay active
Is it just me or is this dude pretty crazy?>trigger on any enchantment clearing blockers and keeping aggro off you>4 cards a turn rotationI just wish he didn't look so faggy
>>97862615Yup I've managed to get some of my normiest friends, even women, to start noticingBut agreed let's get back on topicKinda insane card don't you think?
>>97862624>does nothing on its own>depends on opponents having creatures and you having auras>incredibly slow and easily outplayed card drawMaybe if it was like 1 or 2 mana I could overlook these flaws but it's kinda ass
>>97862032If you're proxying to have all the goodshit in all your decks then yes.
>>97862382They are physically incapable of ever talking about the game the thread is about. This place at least manages to on occasion.
>>97862032>am i gonna be bullied at my lgs if i proxy all my cards?Maybe? Be a man and tell them you have proxies first.>am i gonna be bullied if theyre all waifus?More likely, but same advice as before, most people think my booby proxies are funny, and if they are spicy, don't play with them against children.
>>97862664still a bracket 3 deck cause land tax
>>97862615>everyone is agreeing with meYeah, we know you don't talk to normies.
I miss goonerproxyanon who keep posting his gobuwaifu.
>>97862709put your trip on gooneranon
>>97862709I'm still around. Just haven't been making goblins.
>>97859728hypocrisy is based
land tax is not that strong of a card BUT i cannot help but think someone's a massive sweaty faggot when i see it. same for sylvan library. (sylvan actually is strong though)
>>97860260I agree with him
>>97862738luh mao you guys crack me up
>>97862727Nice
Edge of Eternities is great.Yeah it's pretty good.
>>97862771I'm trans btw if that matters.
>nooooo you're a tranny if you enjoy the space opera
>>97862773i feel like im the only tranny who didnt like that set. conceptually im fine with space stuff its just the delivery on the art missed the mark to me. too much vague aurora energies and generic lame looking ships.i think they should just have tedin design everything scifi in this IP
>>97862780this but unironically
Draw engine in the command zone
>>97862780who are you replying to?
>>97862791and theyll tell you you're being mean if you stop it from happening.
>>97862780Its not magic
how many tutors can i have in my deck before people think im a faggot
>>97862800Neither are most of the most beloved sets
>>97862797The trannies can have eoe I don't want it
>>97862804depends how good the tutors are.
>>97862804Having even one is a sign of irredeemable faggotry.
>>97862804Depends what you're tutoring for
>>97862804Good players won't care.Carebears will shit themselvessee: >>97862810
>>97862811agathas soul cauldron
>>97862800It is though, it's just a plane where things are very different.
>>97862804It can only take one
>>97860288>Souls-likeWhack.
>>97862816Tutors don't belong in a singleton format. They are effectively a stand-in for a different card.
>>97860484Not anymore. I left right before Dominaria, came back when Yurlok was printed, then left for real about a year after that.
>>97862791Only time its unacceptable is when its requirement is piss easy or the entire draw engine is in the commander itself.
>>97860864Serra Ascendant is the ultimate pleb filter, stg
>>97862845It's just a bad card for commander, balance wise. Turn 1 it's a must answer threat. Turn 6+ it's a dead draw.
Does anyone recognize this big breasted character on Prof’s shelf
>>97862852same thing for arcane signet
>>97862709>>97862727>>97862759least obvious samefag
>>97862727Based
>>97862857Are you re- never mind, remembered who you are.
>the penny sleeves wont fit in the binderwho designed this shit?
>>97862831k bad player
>>97862831set by set, year by year, the random nature of singleton is sanded down by the redundancy of new printings of effectively the same cards. Now you can run redirect lightning alongside deflecting swat, erode alongside swords and path, or blood artist #18. I'm not griping btw it just do be like that
>>97862880It's unfortunate yes. I wish people would just adhere to the spirit of such of a format but I know it's too much to ask for.
>>97862880forgot image
>>97862855Probably some normie slop like poison ivy or meera
>>97862855Kinda looks like Katarina from League of Legends, but I can't say. Don't know why she'd be with magic stulff, but thats' what it looks like.
>>97862738Land tax is a based classic. Nothing sweaty about it
>>97862855Triss Merigold from the Witcher I think
>>97861587You simply aren't good at deckbuilding or mulliganing. Some people just suck at magic- simple as.
>>97862738>Having lands in your hand that you can still only play one of a turn makes you a sweat.Okay.
Rhystic Studyis a based classic. Nothing sweaty about itThoracle is a based classic. Nothing sweaty about it.
>>97862926Sheldon would say this unironically
>>97862947he died early
>Turn one>Lotus Petal>Play land for turn>Soul ring>Selesnya Signet>Use the petal to activate the signet>Land Tax, Burgeoning>Lose because my hand is empty, my commander doesn't let me draw, and I don't draw into a draw engine to actually keep up.
>>978629251 mana always hit land drop and greatly thin your deck is really good actually
>>97862831But enough about tutoring in 60 cards and no one respecting the sanctity of its 4-of only spiritYou have 4 copies of a card already but you still want to tutor anyways?!?!?FUUUUUCK
>>97862954>my commander doesn't let me drawAs much as I hate "do thing, draw card" commanders, they let you build decks where you're not dedicating like 15 fucking cards for card draw. I've lost so many fantastic starts to this shit
>>97862947He definitely would that's why i show his face to anyone crying over rhystic and thoracle
>>97862954>burgeoning>signet>petal without a way to abuse it>keeping that handtard moment(s)
>>97862954I assure you that you dont need a draw engine in the deck that burgeoning actually belongs to
>>97862926If you said labman instead of a 5 year old card this bait would be believable
>>97862993why is this shit almost 20 dollars?
>>97862914>Don't know why she'd be with magic stulffRight next to the bust is a bunch of packs from that League TCG
>>97862998>why is the bear king 20 dollars
>>97862998It is a mythic they only printed once from 2 years ago that reads "CHECK IT OUT TIMMY, FIVE LANDS A TURN".Also I think commanders tend to pop up to 20 bucks each on speculation even if their real price should be closer to the low teens on scarcity alone. I call it the Greensleeves principle and so far it holds.
>>97862998Isn't it a popular CEDH commander?
>>97862998have you even played it
Shrek, Breaker of WillsRGB1Summon Ogre Legend7/3Creatures you don’t control have scratch n sniffIf an opponent would play a permanent you own, or cast a card you own, you gain control of it.Whenever an opponent would have you pay a mana cost, you may pay using their life total.
>>97863078I own every card btw
>>97863088Prove it
>>97863088you dropped this
>>97863121Why is that QR code AI generated?
>>97863139IDK man you tell me, you're the one who dropped it.
>>97862998I asked that question, then I put it in a deck, and now I understand
Post underrated cards
>>97863190That card makes me want to push maro down a flight of stairs.
>>97863206big if true
>>97863206Why?
>>97863206>5 mana for a random amount of graveyard to handSeems fine to me?
>>97863241It also returns all lands from graveyard to hand
>>97863287which you will then have to discard to get down to 7?
you can win more games than not by just pillow forting until late game and casting this, provided you have the restraint to avoid nonbasics yourselfno one plays mono color
>>97863355>nonbasics yourselfOr, you not have to worry about hitting yourself.
>>97863355Just saw my copy of this in my red binder the other day, I fucking love this card because people act so surprised when it hits for 10+ damage each. I'm frequently guilty of this kind of greed in my decks too.
>>97863423>Pod plays "4s" because we should play all out cool stuff.>Krenko player>Plays magus of the wheel>Two other plays absolutely lose their shit because they ONLY have non-basics>One of them was only played 2 colorsIts insane how many people think you need to run dual lands, no mater what they are.
I actually drafted the Monke. I went in hoping to draft an Urza's saga or Ragavan and I got the Monke in my 2nd pack. Great way to turn 150 free Play Points into $20 of value. I did extremely shitty though, I think MH2 might just be a completely dog shit set to draft in general but has a couple good commander cards. I drafted red & black and so did all other 3 people I dueled, and 2 of those people also splashed white in...this was problem the worst I ever did in a draft ever but I used to do set Swiss drafts and haven't done one since OG Ixalan. anyway gang, should I keep the Monke, and put him in my red, blue and black B4 commander deck, or trade him for an Urza's Saga or an Underground Sea? I actually did a commander match last night where one of the dude's had a mono red Monke commander and he kept putting it back to hand and he did really well (didn't win though, guy with Jared Golgary won). I'm not too interested in doing a mono red commander deck but thats an option too and could be fun.
>>97863437I really need to tone down my nonbasics in some of my decks, too. I've seen Price of Progress absolutely wipe multiple players because two different blue players tapped out. My Golbez deck would fold to that shit so fucking fast. Out of 31 lands, it has only 9 basics.
>>97863437Meant magus of the moon, but you got it.
>>97863437yeah last night I played a b4 game and everyone had great opening hands, either sol rings or mana vaults but the last player had a mana vault AND a Mox Diamond and got a blood moon turn 1. he didn't win but it shut down my deck part of the time. it was a magnificent play, made me reevaluate my mana baseI just run the true duals, and the pay 2 life ones but I also have city of brass, manaconfluence, commander tower, etc I was still pretty screwed by it. but it made me tighten up the mana base a bit
>mox diamond>true duals>mana vaultssounds like cancer
>>97863513>B4 gameThey go into it expecting and wanting that experience, it isn't a surprise.
>>97863535Never seen those in any b4 game I've played
>>97863513they're all staples of commander instead of lower bracket pussy games where "youre not allowed to destroy my lands!!!" and then put in 3 forests in play ever turnso its exactly the opposite of cancer.
>>97863576I dont know what bracket 4 games youre playing if at least one player doesnt play -Mox Diamond-Chrome Mox-mana vault-lotus petal-ancient tomb-at least one true dualEven something cheap like badlands or scrublands is not uncommon to see in bracket 3.
>>97863589Normal ones.Also haven't seen a true dual in any game in like 6 months
Real commander doesn't have a banlist. Sheldon only created it he was afraid of the format looking unaffordable to idiots if Black Lotus was legal.The core of the format was showing off all the cards in your binder (REAL cards, not proxies) that you couldn't use in other formats for any reason, including being banned. "Balance" didn't matter because that was the point of highlander singleton. Sometimes you would draw all the power cards at the start and sometimes you would draw your chaff. GōtC needs to abolish brackets, the banlist, and their bullshit "game changer" list if they ever want to be accepted by the community.
>>97863578Weird strawman you just burned there.
>>97863593>Here I go again, giving my shit opinions just so I can trying and force my buzzword!
>>97863593If anything the opposite should occur and the banlist should be drastically expanded.
>>97863593GōtC probably doesn't want especially stuff like Black Lotus and the original Mox to allowed in commander because the amount of straight up counterfeits would skyrocket its a bummer on MTGO where Mox Ruby is $15 because I'd buy that right away. And even the vintage masters Black Lotus was down to like $42 last month (its almost $60 now) but it would be incredible to play with those in commander. Everyone has a lotus and the mox of their choice. I think time walk might still have to be banned though because the ease of abusing itit doesn't help though if you dont want to spend more than $100 online or a few hundred in paper you can still have a really good deck and dont NEED Mox ruby, sapphire, etc but it would definitely be fun. Mox Diamond is an essential and it was only $70 when I bought it when the box was new (which even then was only $35 if you could find it), and even still on MTGO its only $16 today but now its like worth as much as a beater car, I dont think so
>>97863605oh no its another "ban sol ring!" tranny from the GōtC discord...go back
>>97863601no thats someone else organically using Groomers of the Coast's true abbreviation, I didnt post that- stay mad!
>>97863618Sol ring should be banned actually yes. It's flagrantly too powerful.
You know sometimes I wonder how people are so stupid they get kicked out of an LGS then I read this thread and slowly start figuring it out.
>>97863592thats grim. on MTGO you see all those cards very often. It make for fun games since the prices are all normal and not based on coomlector "huh Reserved List!" scam prices Chrome Mox costs $3.50, Mox Diamond costs $15, Scrublands costs $3, Bayou costs $5, Volcanic Island costs $7 Underground Sea costs $12.50and they give new players a bunch of cards including a mono black commander deck with Braids Nightmare Arisen so you can start terrorizing people right away. the state of stinky paper games seems....grim
>>97863623you have to go back. you also will never be a woman. sol ring is just as powerful as Chrome Mox, which is to say, not very strong overall. meanwhile green has 9000 cards that tutor and ramp for land. ban all green commanders
>>97863635Tutors should be banned in general yes.
>>97863633>MTGOlmao
>>97863601I was doing a little mischief. I dropped a dogshit take on purpose then used the buzzword to get other anon to out that he's the only one that uses it despite how hard he has been forcing it.
>>97863025>2 years agoWhat the fuck...
>>97863642what you dont like to be able to play against pro magic players any time of the night in a robe next to the fireplace and instead want to shuffle 100 triple sleeved unwieldy cards with stinky house-sized fatoids and troons in a smelly card store with "people" who miss all their triggers?
>>97863651im glad its picking up steam, its a great abbreviation that will stand the test of time
>>97863623you were saying?
>>97863437>>97863501The funny thing is blood moon does nothing if you push B4's no gc limit to its logical conclusion, especially as there's nothing actually stopping B4 from becoming cedh other than a gentleman's agreement not to use top tier cedh commanders and strategiesB4 would become more interesting if a restriction of only being able to combo out on T5+ was implemented, as it might just allow enough time for blood moon contamination and co. to actually matter
>>97863670I'm indifferent to land destruction. You should probably drop that weird strawman.
…huh?
>>97863703bracket 5 isn't using top tier strategies or commanders its all trying to execute thoracle or use necropotence to get all the cards to execute aetherflux reservoir and those types of shits as early as possiblemost bracket 4 games I play (which is the majority of commander games I play) all go to turn 8+. I'm not sure why you think more GCs would make blood moon less effective in b4. It only affects people with lots of non-basics (which was me in the aforementioned game) mana rocks in any bracket or having more basics (also good for any bracket) is what reduces blood moon's effectiveness. The real fun thing would be to Mind Bend + Acid Rain/Flash Fires and change it to Mountains
>>97861026i made her upshe's FAKE>>97863625Not that I've been going to one for *that* long or anything, but I've never witnessed a forced removal from a store. Do people really fly off the handle enough at a casual commander night to warrant that? Worst I saw was maybe like one guy getting so mad he packed up and went home in the middle of a game, but apparently he was having a super bad day that day and got countered like 3 times in a row. No one even mentioned it the next time he came in.>>97861720>he saved one of mineb-baka
>>97863730>bracket 5 isn't using top tier strategies or commanders>its all trying to execute lame shit i don't like so they don't countcmon now there's no need for this kind of copeanyways if blood moon was so strong then cradle wouldn't be such a powerful card that an entire deck (rogthras) wouldn't revolve around it, and yet that isn't the case>most bracket 4 games I play (which is the majority of commander games I play) all go to turn 8+happy for you and for your isolated island, but i could play rogsi on your b4 pod and the only thing you'd be able to say is 'umm dude relax this a chill pod even though we're using the most broken cards in the game' lol
>>97863744>i'd just combo off on youOk.
>>97863727its not a strawman to acknowledge that one of green's "color pie" things is to have land tutoring/ramping on a mass scale. the point I have continuously made is to point out the hypocrisy of overtly protecting green's ability to massively ramp (one of its designed characteristics) while following "guidelines" not to destroy lands, which is a perfectly valid way to counter that type of mass-ramping, and one that has ALSO been built into the game since 1993.you end up with games where if people are not all playing green, then they can't ramp the same way, yet their arsenal of responses is limited, especially in lower bracketsI mostly play bracket 4 so this doesn't really affect me but it essentially requires bracket 2 and 3 games for people to run green because the other colors are being unnaturally held back. Even more so when "no fast mana" in lower brackets but thats exactly what green is doing by playing 3 lands a turn. I tried to make this as easy for you to understand as possible
>>97863767Are you even reading my posts? I have not once stated that I'm opposed to land destruction. That is entirely a strawman of your own creation.
>>97863744its MTGO which is mostly North America, Europe and Japan and lots of semi-pro and pro players. the b4 games regularly go to turn 7, 8, 9 only B5 ends that quicklyand yes congrats you can netdeck Rogsi and use necropotence/ ad nauseam to follow the instructions like baking a cake to execute a combo on turn 3 or 4. thats why those decks are quarantined to "cEDH" tables/lobbies where you can race each other to executing thoracle or whatever to your hearts contentbut actual commander games that last to turn 7-10+ with no "game changers" and interaction from every player? thats MTGO bracket 4.
>>97863783but WITH game changers- everyone has Mox Diamond, true duals, FoW, Demonic Tutor, etc
>>97863740>>he saved one of mine>b-bakayou've been here long enough to know this place has 0 taste. yourself included
>>97863767while you are correct that green is very powerful in the lower brackets people just need to have the correct mindset in dealing with it; cedh pods gang up on rogsi all the time so why is it a big ask that your pod gang up on the simic player too (inb4 'my pod is stupid')>MLDmany anons have already mentioned how that only gimps the other colors as green is also the color best equipped to recover from it (also good job gimping yourself by destroying your own lands too), what you need to do is work around gavin's mld definition wherein he doesn't differentiate between basic/nonbasics (blood moon is as mld to him as tsunami for example), picrel>b2 and b3 are gimped!b2 and b3 have a t9 and a t7 combo turn expectation respectively, more relevant than you think (people should combo off more often, or even just burn everyone)and people should stop playing to the board as much you simply cannot go over the top of simic
>>97863783>>97863789>i play in mtgo wherein i can curate the people i play withthen bracket discussion doesn't actually matter, the reason brackets exist is because you can't actually curate the randos you play with outside your kitchen without looking like a whiny retard
>>97863835its exactly the opposite holy shit what a fucking moron you are. you have no idea who you are playing against. there are "streamers" of various skill levels, pro tour people practicing, randoms who have been playing since 93, casuals, some stragglers from Arena, its extremely variable you can block weirdos and prefer to play in the middle of the night to play against people in different time zones but unless you really know the people and are coordinating with them you arent "curating" shithow you took away from that that MTGO is curated is mind-blowing
>>97863845>you can block weirdos>how you took away from that that MTGO is curatedlmao damn i wish i could block weirdos irl like i can online holy shit that would be a *game changer* indeed!>there are "streamers" of various skill levels, pro tour people practicing, randoms who have been playing since 93, casuals, some stragglers from Arena>this means people will totally behave and hold back irl like they do online wherein i can just block them without penalty!you are in fact the moron here given how naive you are how randos actually play irl, but cest la vie
>>97863858>I wish I could block weirdos irlI've got this amazing thing you've never heard of called not associating with people you don't like. It's a fascinating thing. You are capable of curating pretty much the entire experience of playing with others if you aren't a spineless basedboy who can't make friends.
>>97863835and have you even ever played on MTGO? the game listings are rectangles with what seats are open and a 60 character thing describing it "Bracket 4" or "bracket 2 & precons/no GCs" or "cEDH". you get bitchy people saying "bracket 3 no Braids" or or stuff like "bracket 3.5 - 4 no infinite combos" and part of the time people don't even list the brackets thing since its not a real/official thing its a "suggestion" to help with Rule 0The games tables I open always just say "bracket 4" theres no curating im not restricting and theres nothing stopping a b2 player from getting wrecked or a b5 player from "pub stomping" (although they will likely get ejected by the table). but I do enjoy stopping cedh combos since its out of meta. usually cedh players only want to play against other meta shit so they can race each other to pull off their combos, not have to actually try to play the gameI'd recommend actually trying MTGO
>>97863868and have you even ever played on MTGO before brackets were created? this is just the same thing that had been going on well before wotc took over the format so how did brackets actually change things in mtgo lol brackets have always been a paper thing with randos it was never meant for mtgo as you've always had this well before the dissolution of the RC>I've got this amazing thing you've never heard of called just closing your eyes and ears and never associating with people you hate regardless of whether they are your parents your boss your family members or even your spouse, because naturally the only people you should be talking to are the ones that agree with you 100%!you are terminally online and a fool
>>97863877>>97863867
>>97863877>>97863881>Was so eager to write up this retarded nonresponse that he didn't even read my postlet me quote it for you>You are capable of curating pretty much the entire experience of playing with othersKey words here are "playing with others". If you go into a hobby shop and sit down with people you know you don't like, then that's on you.
>>97863858if you've got a group of 4 friends to play against who all have that much free time all at the same time, thats great. or if you play with your family or roommates whatever thats excellent. if you show up to a game store you have to play with whatever groups are there. its mind bending you are not understanding the difference between playing with global random player bases and showing up to a random commander night at Joe's Comics in City X
>>97863887>oh look a bracket 3 event is gonna happen at the nearby lgs>hmm 3 GCs no infinites before T7 no mld that's it?>anyways, looks fun>wait anon, didn't you know? it's your responsibility to know every single rando who goes there?>...huh?>but don't worry if they do something in a game you hate like use filthy eldrazi and eldrazi or simic or aristocrats or burn or boarwipe.dec you can always cry to the judge and tell them to DQ them because they didn't adhere to the arbitrary rules you had in your head just like you can in mtgo!lol you really are stupid, par for the course for the terminally online
>>97863897yes yes that's why 'my deck is a 7' was a sure hit and people were completely aligned fr fr
>>97863903>more retarded nonresponseYou can just admit you're lashing out for the sake of it, Anon.
>>97863877yes I've been playing on MTGO since 2009 I didn't even know what the fuck a "game changer" was until a couple months agothere is someone else also responding here you're not talking all to the same person
>>97863909and now that you know what a gc is, did that stop you from jamming the same demonic/imperial/vampiric in your timmy deck in mtgo? brackets were just created last year it's not like the mtgo lobby wasn't a thing before 2025>>97863908or you can just admit you got btfo, but naturally you won't let go because you're terminally online and don't know anything about tournament logistics irl
>>97863903I dont know what all the green text is but the only things I've played at game stores were pre-release Swiss drafts for magic and pokemon and its been a LONG time since I did one in person at LGS but I imagine, that going to a random commander night at some random store is the same as going to a random pre-release draftI have never been a regular at a local game store but imagine in medium sized cities or bigger, or college towns there are a lot of different people who come and go
>>97863903>wow I want to filter out weirdos>WHAT DO YOU MEAN THAT I DON'T KNOW EVERYONE BEFORE I SIT DOWN??How do you know they're a weirdo until after you play with them? Do you go to 1 commander night per store and never return? You should be building some kind of logic base of who these people are if you're associating with them regularly. More leftist pretending not to understand basic things discourse in my /edhg/.. yay..
>>97863916Wait. Wait. Wait. Are you actually trying to argue that because a tournament has set matches that you aren't capable of filtering people you don't like when you play magic? Do you only play in tournaments? Do you intentionally put yourself in a situation where you have no control over who you play against even the slightest bit and then get mad that you don't? What the fuck kind of drivel is this??
>>97863923>ok fine i admit it i haven't been outside for a long time>but i remember when i played in an lgs, people used the official rules made by the game company regardless if they personally liked it or not, it's arbitrary and all but hey at least it's the game company they did it and they have word of god it's not like we're kowtowing to some rando who thinks he's hot shit>somehow this being the exact same thing that happens with brackets at the lgs is beyond my scopesee what honesty does to a conversation? have fun at mtgo btw
>>97863924the point is if you meet a weirdo you can't just block them irl like you can online you dumbass, especially if you're a newcomer at an lgs you've never been before christ you're stupid>>97863925>Do you only play in tournamentsi play both at the kitchen and at the tournament table and so i know how to act and temper my expectations accordingly, unlike you
>>97863916actually I used to put Mox Diamond into everything yeah and now if I craft a deck for bracket 2 I don't do that. if its a black deck usually demonic tutor is an auto include just like Rhystic is an auto include for bracket 3+ blue decks. Even though I don't think something like Chrome Mox in a deck without Land Tax or really any green deck "changes the game" since most other colors do not have standard mana ramping
>>97863903>>but don't worry if they do something in a game you hate like use filthy eldrazi and eldrazi or simic or aristocrats or burn or boarwipe.dec you can always cry to the judge and tell them to DQ them because they didn't adhere to the arbitrary rules you had in your head just like you can in mtgo!This is unironically what makes brackets based. If politics is a valid play style then so is angle shooting and rule sharking
>>97863938>you can't just block them irlYou can literally choose not to play with someone, how spineless are you? No one is making you play with them.
>>97863949>meet 2 weirdos in an lgs tournament pod>fuck they're so weird>well, better just concede, it's not like i wanted to win anyway even though i drove all this way and paid the entry fee!kekw you're so dumb
>>97863930wasn't at all what I said. pic related must be whats going on in your head
>>97863954>he straight up fucking went back to the tournament defenseLefty, please calm down and try to use your brain for more than 5 seconds.>I enter a tournament>This is a situation DESIGNED for people to play with others without curation>this is the same as having no control over who you play with everThis only works if you ONLY play in tournaments.
>craft some janky b2 stuff>"oh hey I've got a test deck deck too">turn 1 tutor into combo>the rest was just edhrec average decklistMight just quit. Things get worse every set.
>>97863959it's been a long time since you played at an lgs, i know what you read, and it took you this long to realize my point, have a nice day :)>>97863961This only works if you ONLY play in tournaments.>>97863938"i play both at the kitchen and at the tournament table and so i know how to act and temper my expectations accordingly"funny how you didn't read what i said while having to admit that i was right, anyways GG stop being stupid next time
>>97863793RUDE and here I even went and made an Angel for you.speaking of shit taste, I'm thinking about Esper and Mono Blue Urzas a lot lately. I think that Urza would be a lot stronger than my Golbez deck, but it feels like a more boring idea, and Esper Urza is a generator of my favorite tokens in the game but screams battlecruiser or robot punch with nothing else. There's few things as satisfying as swinging with 10 Karnstructs with Myriad, though.
>hold back interaction on the obvious combo win because I know the player will piss and moan>brags about how good he is and laughs about how no one could stop him>have a good game in the next round, hanging on with 1hp for several turns>combo guy pisses and moans and acts like a wet blanket because I didn't win efficiently enough
>>97863984>on the obvious combo wini swear too many people have no idea just how telegraphed their lines are in the lower brackets it's funny
>>97863970I dont play at LGS I play with people I know when I see them (usually on the holidays) or MTGO. interacting with random smelly and/or Mal-adjusted homos (like yourself) is not a go-to activity for me like it is with you
>>97863991>Look, bill is playing green tifa. I'll keep up WR each turn for as long as I need to to deflecting palm her.>Oh, steve is playing niv-mizzet. I guess I'll hold up mana for galadriel's dismissal or reprieve when he plays it, because he always trying to start the combo instantly>"how could this happen to me? After playing against these decks 50+ times, how can you keep track of my lines?!"Lower brackets doesn't really have anything to do with it, people are just silly at every bracket.
>>97864017>...yeah well i bet you smell!!incorrect btw, but like i said have fun with mtgoand i hope you never get a boss you hate to deal with, that would really suck when you realize life doesn't have a block button!
>>97861267>Retard thinks this 6 mana do nothing on turn 1 commander is goodlol
>Green's color pie is ramping>I'm not allowed to play Balance and now suddenly green is winning every game>Blue's color pie lets them draw a billion cards>I'm not allowed to play Hullbreacher and now suddenly blue is winning every game>Red's color pie is early aggro>I'm not allowed shut down their commander with Drannith Magistrate to stop this aggro and suddenly red is winning every game>Black's color pie is removing shit through hexproof/indestructible>I'm not allowed to play Iona to stop this and suddenly black is winning every game>White still sucks
>>97864110>everyone is winning every gamenow this just doesn't add up, anon.
>>97864110anon your light paws? your teshar?
>>97864110>suddenly red is winning every gamelol wut
>>97863972>Esper UrzaPure Battlecruiser>Blue UrzaCedh only>GolbezYours is Bracket 3-4 but you're discounting something even better. Look at Jhoira.
>>97864155Blue Urza isn't MLD
>>97864162W-what?
>>97863355>Play this in a Kalamax deck with all basics while he's tapped, reverberate it>Kill greedy shitbirds from 40 HP who spent all game ramping their goodstuffpile.dekI fucking adore this card so much.
>>97864172
>>97864178I only ever see basics in mono colored decks or white decks that ramp with land tax etc nowadays.
>>97864178You know this is the first story where I genuinely felt this way instantly upon reading it.100% basic manabase for a 3c commander is already greedy as sin. Somehow getting to Kalamax trigger with a Reverberate is so unlikely he was either playing against goldfish (in which case they are not goodstuff.dek because they would have won by then) or anon is making up stories.
>>97864166Blue Urza is not "cEDH only because nothing about him inherently makes him bracket 5 as per the rururules.
>>97864187Or an unlikely event happened. That's the third option
>>97864155Jhoira, huh? Yeah I had her at one point. She sorta splintered off in two different directions that I tried out, Mishra and Cayth. I kinda wish Cayth was just a little gooder, but Fabricate is pretty fun as far as mechanics go. How far do you think Cayth can go? I want to make it strong and relatively fast but I also just want to be a turbo-retard who just swings a bunch of tokens at people or burns them with ETB effects lmao
>>97864184even my 5c deck uses 10 basics.
>>97864200>How far do you think Cayth can go?The real question is "How far does she need to go?". Do you need every deck to be a bracket 4 combopile?
>>97864205Yeah, I never realized how smart it was to run more than I was running until someone hit me with that spell once first, now I commit to having a few more in each deck I make. >>97864187Nope, I do run command tower and a rogue's passage to get Kalamax to go through blockers so he can stay tapped, but everything else is basics, and I just use mana rocks for fixing. If you lean green you only need 1-2 U/R for most spells, and the rest of the mana can be pulled using Cycle of Renewal and Harrow (which get duplicated by Kalamax). Literally one duplicated ramp fixes your entire manabase, and the rocks ensure consistency. I'm not saying it's a cEDH deck, but it does work, and very few people expect duplicated price of progress.
>>97864214I always want to strike this balance between cool, powerful cards and doing "the thing". In this case, "the thing" is usually punching people with way too many karnstructs or thopters, burning people with Reckless Fireweaver, etc. I also love huge stupid creatures that give keywords like Cybermen Squadron and Depthshaker Titan and the idea of swinging out 10 of them with Haste, Trample, and Myriad makes me NUTT
>>97859768>TES>generic as it comesTES is one of the most batshit insane settings in vidya and that's before you start getting into the dubiously-canon stuff like TESO.
>>97864273>TES is one of the most batshit insane settings in vidyalol
>>97864252>"the thing" is usually punching people with way too many karnstructs>I just want to attack people with tokens!!>$3000 decks Just build Esper Urza and save the expensive shit for an actual high power deck.
>>97864277>>97864252Alternatively if you're dead set on Red cards, use Mishra from the same set.
>>97864275I mean I'm sure you could talk about Eastern Mind or some other abstract nonlinear shit but in terms of fictional worlds with a developed narrative? Absolutely.
>>97864277what a lil goober
>>97864281>>97864277Oh yeah, I had Mishra at one pointhttps://archidekt.com/decks/10506363/mishras_warforgeThis deck was extremely fun and let me also enjoy my other favorite thing; ETB effects. Best game I ever had with it was one where a guy cast Warp World to try and stop me from winning, only to be met with Cyc Rift so no one but me got almost anything off of it. Mine was massively stacked up by tokens so I got out multiple combo lines at the same time (Gonti's and Combat Celebrant and Cursed Mirror). Maybe I should rebuild this after some tweaks and use it as my higher power deck.
>>97864293>9 basicsGotta curb that greed, Swordfag.
>>97864293>some tweaksThere's so much about this deck I hate.
>>97862791>>97862954>>97862977couldn't be mebtw I phase out your draw engine commander indefinitely
>Pod can't stop building non-combat damage burn and drain decks>Add some lifegain to my decks>Suddenly all of my games feel winnable because I'm not being lit on fire with no way out all the timeDamn this lifegain shit feels pretty good when you ain't got a tryhard bitch in your ear telling you it sucks.
>>97864396Lifegain can be a great way to help you earn more top cuts... so long as you tie it to some other value maker or weave it into your deck's gameplan
>>97864396The problem with lifegain is not that it isn't good, it's that it isn't good on its own. With commander damage, infect, alt-wincons and 3 other players at a table, there is a tipping point where life totals under three digits stop mattering and where life totals over three digits have bought you a single turn cycle.So yeah, absolutely put some life into your decks, especially in brackets 3 and 4 where things are getting mean but you still have time enough to breath. In cEDH though you're going to be hitting rocket tag so fast if you're unlikely to get the same value out of it unless you gaining life is how you kill everyone else at the table.
>>97864396this equipment goes in all my decks in brackets 2, 3 & 4. life gain definitely saves your ass. if you also are playing black don't sleep on Exsanguinate or Drain Life (the original)
>>97864426never tried this in commander but like 15 years ago i used to build mono white life gain decks with these as the win conthey weren't super amazing but they were fun. Ajani's Pridemate, Serra Ascendant, Soul Warden, Beacon of Immortality, Boon Reflection, the original Ajani Goldmane planeswalker. It was funmight be worth it to make a commander deck out of for some "cheap" wins. no idea who would make a good commander for it though
>>97864508hehe
>>97864534no idea how thats applicable
>>97864396you are not actually playing against real burn/groupslug decks when you can offset the damage with lifegainyou are a scrub getting owned by other low-level scrubs.
>>97864655Really not that hard to deal with enchantments in good lifegain colors.
>>97864671then you have not played against actual groupslug decks yet. mono red is a hard counter against lifegain in so many ways it's not even funny. multiple ways of preventing lifegain (that also synergize with your plan) while also having access to an endless amount of one-sided weeny board wipes.add to this the fact that lifegain decks get focused early to keep them below 30 life so they cannot abuse the cards that weren't designed for commander, and you have the perfect recipe for constantly getting blown out at the table.
>>97864739>destroy an enchantment that group slug decks like to use>i-it wasn't REAL group slugWhat is this no true scotsman shit, dude. Group Slug isn't some perfect strategy that can't ever lose lmao
>>97864743I think you need to read my post again, because what you just said is so blatantly false that I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and pretend you just misread it instead of being an actual colossal retard.
*dabs on remora/rhystic/tithe abusers*
>>97864758This isn't really anti-draw and most likely they're going to get value out of those cards first.
>>97861792
>>97861981Deuce will always be my nigga
>>97862157Don't forget the lesser-known brother of cockroaches: more cockroaches
>>97864739>then you have not played against actual groupslug decks yet.Do actual group slug decks not have permanents I can destroy or something, man? Big damage doesn't spawn out of thin air they gotta play something. I added some incidental lifegain to a few of my decks and it's buying me extra turns to kill them first.
>>97862516>Modern Horizons 2No way fag. They don't even have snow.
This card seems underplayed. Many good creatures cost 3 or less.
>>97862804Land tutors are expected in most decks. Imperial Seal is desperation.
>>97862852Nobody really gives a shit about balancing this format. They just have to pretend at it to make it seem like there's a semblance of order.
>>97862954>Soul ringNigga plz
>>97864835I should add these to my racistocrats deck, they fit both thematically and by synergy kek
>>97863190
>>97863729>You gain X life, where X is twice the damage dealt to you so far this turn by artifacts.Fascinating
>>97864277The Judgment Incarnations are still the GOAT cycle
>>97864508Try dipping into Orzhov.
>>97864853only green has usable land tutors other than land tax and a couple of other conditional ones for white. people who them too much get this casted on them
>>97864891I was considering that actually especially with this being potentially goodI thought adding blue might be good to try and get flash in there for the win cons, or green has some life gain effects too. I have a white black knights deck that I play for more mellow games but it seems to have a lot of weaknesses on its own so a 3rd color seems useful
>>97864758My favorite way to punish excessive draw outside of graveyard decks is Chains. It can be pretty funny to watch the guy with Rhystic out realize that us paying the 1 is us deciding if he gets to keep what's in his hand.This shit is one of the most fun cards ever printed.
>>97862804if you mean land tutors- well then means you're playing green which means you are gay by defaultif you mean traditional black tutors to search for everything youre "not supposed to" have demonic tutor, vampiric tutor or imperial seal (imperial is not very good) in a "bracket 2" deck. Demonic tutor is an auto-include in any deck that runs black in b3 and Grim tutor can go in any bracket and is still really good. Diabolic tutor is a bit mana-costly, and profane tutor isn't really that great either. steelshaper's gift is a really good "unrestricted" tutor in white for equipment that can get you a turn 1 lightning greaves if you need it. some other creatures like trinket mage in blue are not too bad, that have a tutor effect (for artifacts in this example) when it comes into play that you could potentially abusealso there are cards with transmute effects that can act as very narrow tutors like Tolaria West can tutor any land or something for (0) like Mox Diamond. The card Dizzy Spell for example could tutor for Sol Ring or Mana Vault or Vandalblast, etc etc
>>97864508I remember when I let my friend use my Oloro deck and someone Chaos Warped Voice of the Blessed and that fucker got Felidar Sovereign out still pisses me off to this day
>>97865016>my favorite way to punish draw is a card no one owns and hurts you more than anyone elseWow... thanks...
>>97865056>no one ownsFair>hurts you more than anyone elsePutting a check on 3 different people at the same time and not letting them net positive on any draw spell is pretty good. I wouldn't slap it into just any deck, the reason it sits so comfortably in Golbez, Hashaton, or Coram is because those decks care about the graveyard. The "outside of graveyard decks" thing was more about if you aren't facing one. If you are, you're that guy's best friend. Just drop a wheel after playing it and everyone is hellbent.
>>97865092shut the FUCK up about your copy of chains and gen some god damn TEYSA
>>97864961>MLDSorry anon I'm afraid you'll have to find a new pod, we play strictly bracket 2/3 here.
>>97865123okay here you go, i'm gonna go to bed nowsee you guys next thread most likely
>>97864838>Big damage doesn't spawn out of thin airoh sweet summer child
Man why do you zoomers allow this general to get so bloated?
>>97865218Bloated with what? Discussions about various strategies and cards in the game the thread is dedicated to? Yeah next time I'll just not talk about lifegain or group slug. I'd love to just have another thread crying about brackets or poorfag gen alphas pretending a true dual is make or break compared to a shock land.
Would Hangarback Walker be an alright replacement for pic related in the TMNT deck? I want to put this in Toph instead.
How do you actually win with this card? Some slop like Approach? Or is the whole point just extending the game to cancerous lengths? >t. regularly plays with a 6 player pod that already has games last a retardedly long time sometimes
>>97865016Wotc really should make a better chains, make it affect only your opponents
>>97865242Could also run indestructibles.
>>97865245Chains is a fantastic card without any modification.
>>97865248What i mean is make a cedh appropriate version of it (because chains isnt good enough to run even in a meta full of rhystics)
>>97865269Your own discard is not what's holding it back from being CEDH. I'd argue it's not viable for the same reason most cards aren't, and that's just that Cedh is a format with very few "new" inclusions at any given time. It has very specific and hammered out playlines and Chains doesn't do much to stop most of them. Imagine if it hurt tutoring or something like Ad Naus. If you have 4 cards in your hand and play something to draw 6 more, the 4 you're keeping at the end are likely going to play your combo and the rest weren't worthy of keeping.
I put corp rotation in my deck simply because its a GC.I don't even have any incredible lands to search for with it.
When she blows up, if she's your commander, does that count as commander damage?
>>97865245commander legends 2 will put it on a flash creature doncha worry
>>97865313Commander damage is exclusively combat damage.
>>97865017I hate how its just a cheaper minwu with more typings and colors.Just like the original strixhaven BG gets to be better at lifegain then W.
>>97865277>etb draw a card>chains effect that only affects your opponents>your opponents can't create noncreature tokensCedh has very specific lines, it's not hard at all to hate on them
>>97865373>he just didnt read the post at all
>>97865380>hey they should make a better chains>no anon it's impossible>huh?>it's just impossible anon to make a cedh appropriate black enchantment that's not just another riff on necro/naus, dont think about it, it's impossibleLol
>>97865390So you didn't read it. I said that Chains isn't held back by being symmetrical, but that it doesn't hate on anything except draw and not cards like Ad Naus or Tutors.Shame in you for responding without reading.
>>97865417>hey let's make a better chains>no anon any custom card has to be limited to the og card it cant hate on anything else (like stopping treasure token generation)Kek
>>97865242Reminds me I need to finish my manlands list
>>97865431So they should make a better Chains by making a card that has nothing to do with Chains?
>>97865461>>97865461>>97865461
>>97865449Why not? Wotc has been powercreeping and outright making strictly better versions of cards for decades now why would a RL card be exempt from this
>>97865472Are you having a stroke?
>>97865488Clearly just (You)
>>97864110>early aggro>winning anything in the format where you have to chew through 120 life on average
>>97864541If you manifest your wincon, you can turn it face up without using the stack, meaning they can't do anything about it until it's too late. Having a lifegain manifest deck with white sounds janky though, so it might look obvious.
>>97867692oh yeah looking up how to use manifest or morph things it could be interesting, though probably open to removal. but could work. I wasn't really familiar with manifest mechanics and had to look it up
