Hypocrite editionPrevious Heresy: >>97844240>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>Titanicus Compendiumshttps://gofile.io/d/qdYzem>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Legions Imperialis Army Builderhttps://legionbuilder.app/>Thread Question:Who's your least favorite primarch, and why?
>>97862701>All the action on the sides of the piece >2 characters facing off>fish eye effect>Explosion in the background>Tilt it 20-45 degrees God i fucking hate modern GW art work because its all the same fucking shit, its literally down to a god damn formula at this point. Who ever the artist is, they fucking suck.
>>97862701Corax. There's just not much going on there besides >safe edgy Curze The loyalists already have the Sanguins for tortured dark secret mutant stuff. They already have Ferus for grim autistic focus. They already have Alpharius for special ops.
>>97862723>modern Anon this is how it’s been for like 10-15 years now for Boris heresy
>>97862723GW doesn't really pay artists very well so they don't give a shit either. But the quality certainly took a tumble when thwy started commissioning Spanish artists.
>>97862701Leman Russ. Such a pretentious asshole. All about rules-for-thee-but-not-for-me, yet pretending he's doing nothing wrong. Also hands down the biggest idiot after the BL novels happened. Unironically did more for the traitors than the majority of actual traitor primatchs.
>>97862701I’m a grown adult so I don’t like any of them.
>>97862826I would not even fucking mind it that much if it was not so easy to predict, like every thing is the same style/sequence just different subjects. Its always>Battle in the background>Actions on one side and middle>Almost always exactly what the models look like>Canted 25-45 degrees right or left. Its so boring and predictable.
>>97862837Yes but which do you like the least?
>>97862846Think GW is paying for creativity or vision?
>>97862701>TQFerrus Manus.He's really bland and underdeveloped. He's barely in the narratives, and any novels or shorts stories of his are mid.
>>97862701Sanguinius. I don't think he's a bad primarch but he's the only one I actually dislike, and that's because of how almost the entire community fans his balls.
>>97862846>>97862865Might be even worse. >marketing requires all HH covers look like this now due to brand recognition
Check it out it's Zahariel/Cypher
it really sucks to only like the faggot legions
>>97862943BA, SW, DA, and EC, or am I missing some?
>>97862913Sadly most people actively want the exact same thing over and over again, so this might actually be the main factor.
>>97862946no, but it is DA & SW
Found a copy of the Mechanicum Battle Group box in the back of my LGS.Which Forgeworld should I paint them as?Metalica or Cyclothrathe
>>97862946>fag legions >whatever you like >chad legions >whatever I like duh.
>>97862830This is the right answer. hes a drooling knuckle dragging jock
>>97862701Anyone know why the people only playing 2.0 seem to have such a huge stick up the ass about 3.0. It’s one thing to not like the changes. Another to just spam the misconceptions from launch if it’s not an outright lie about 3.0Also>tqGuiliman. Despite being the logistics primarch, he constantly fucks up and makes things worse for those around him in a way no one seems to acknowledge. There’s also the fact that he manages to tie in a fight with lorgar while lorgar was holding back on using magic
>>97863063>Iron warriors stealing the iron hands fit LOL
>>97862946Forgot Death Guard
>until next winter lil niggaprospero burns is fucking sublime goddamnif you're in to wet leopards at least
The one thing I hate about marines in this system is the plumes on leaders.So I remove them all.
>>97863381they are essential for romemaxxing but i restrict their use to a couple of top ranking tactical sergeantsu should reconsider senpai
>>97863395No.I play Iron Warriors and I want all of my men to know that they have no real meaning to me.They are simply soldiers that will die for my victory.
>>97863405u some real trench rat filth but i respect it
>>97862701Im stuck between curze and alpharius. Curze is an annoying whiny baby who comes to complete insane delusions all by his own. A completely ineffective primarch (No shit they had good secure rates, they were given the easiest planets). And then he peters off by dying to a loser assassin he "predicted" to die by. His entire style of combat, hiding in the shadows, is completely lame. For being a huge fucking primarch who dosnt have any powers (unlike curze) to be hidden, he sticks to this. Alpharius's whole shtick is just annoying to me. Seems like his entire point is to just be the primarch that can fill plot holes for the story lines on both sides. If your going to be a whiny baby, atleast be like angron or perturabo. And having a primarch whose thing is not being a primarch, is redundant.
>>97863646ffs, I meant corvus not curze. Both lame primarchs with similar names.
>>97863063I hate pissbois so much but that backpack looks so sweet
>>97863405Cold ass nigga
>>97863381based topknot enjoyer
>>97863880>>97863880At what point do the "chaos" style backpacks show up in the heresy, and is there lore for that style of them?
>>97864028The HH black books mention them as anvilus pattern backpacks specialized for void warfare. I think it was from book one Betrayal with a DG marine with one.
>>97864028the power plants with more pronged-out thrusters are called Anvilus in their configuration and make and as best i'm aware they were present even amidst the great crusade
>>97864028>>97864035Here
Would it kill them to make Legion Traits affect vehicles?
>>97864035>>97864040>>97864043NEAT! Thanks frens. But if they were "prototypes", I wonder how/why they became like the defacto for almost ALL CSMs....
>>97863405>Anon thinks having a crest prevents you from being killed namelessly Yonnad, Dorn's second highest ranking guy, effectively dies to a traffick accident while en route to Phall.
>>97864043Some more examples.
>>97864054>I wonder how/why they became like the defacto for almost ALL CSMs....they're edgy and badass-looking of course
>>97864054A lot of CSM are void pirates
>>97864054I think it was just a way for FW to retcon them into the HH lore, they do look cool tho.
>>97864062I suppose once you quite your job piracy becomes un a voidable
>>97864054This >>97864064Back in RT the early CSM were all Gigeresque bio-mechanical monsters, machines warped to look organic (rather than machines oozing puss and flesh like today). The extended thrusters gave them a warped profile compared to the cleaner SM packs. The design language was kept as their design became more spiky space marines, their backpacks just having extended struts supporting the thrusters. When looking at old models, there's a wide variety of CSM backpacks compared to loyalists who all are limited to the RT (Phaeton pattern) and 2e (Mark IV pattern) backpacks for the most part. Pic related reminds me of the HSS backpacks FW made.
>>97863063Man I remember when he was doing these. Good days.
>>97864047Traits affecting vehicles is 40k bullshit, 3.0 changing it back to that no longer being the case is one of the objectively good changes.
>>97864502>vehicle crews are independent of their legions
>>97863646>Seems like his entire point is to just be the primarch that can fill plot holes for the story lines on both sides.Didn't used to be this way, older AL lore has some interesting aspects. But BL writers are lazy hacks, and Alpharius and the AL being able to show up any where makes them very convenient token villains, and their complex scheming lets BL writers can get away with not giving them a proper reason for doing anything.
>>97864519No you absolute dumb fucking retard. A tank does not perform any differently because the driver is bloodthirsty, gay, or has Btucher's Nails in his skull.
>>97864542>crew has no bearing on performanceYou do realize bikes are vehicles too.
>>97864580Not according to they rulebooks they don't. Don't start with the cringe semantics arguments.
>>97864595>tank shouldn't perform any different because the crew are psychos>it's ok for a bike to perform different because the crew are psychosGet a better argument before bitching about nothing.
>>97864603On a bike, it still is the marine himself swinging the chainsword. Are you trying to be obtuse, or just trolling?For the record, I don't agree with all legion trait affecting bikes and dreadnoughts either.
>>97864617>On a bike, it still is the marine himself swinging the chainsword.And if a tank had a chainsword, who do you think would be swinging that?>For the record, I don't agree with all legion trait affecting bikes and dreadnoughts either.Then open with that, instead of excusing the inconsistency. How far would you take it? Should Saturnine benefit from traits? The ratio of marine to machine is pretty low there.
>>97864634>And if a tank had a chainswordBut it doesn't. There's no point in arguing hypotheticals, in that case you might as well start talking about marines moving tanks around like Flintstones cars.In a tank, it are the mechanics of the tank doing everything, the marine are only there pushing buttons and pulling levers. Dreadnoughts, saturnine and terminators can arguably be affected by legion traits, because those use extensive black carapace and neural interface systems.So even if it is not the marine's body doing much or anything, it does feel very closely to it. Bikes could be argued to be small enough machines to still be influenced more by the marine's talents, just like a bolter or heavy weapon would. For example, a White Scar shifting his body weight could affect the bike enough to more efficiently manoeuvre over terrain and thus achieve higher speeds. But bikes being more sneaky because there is a Ravenguard or Alpha Legionnaire sitting on is still retarded, which is why I don't agree that all legion traits affecting bikes is realistic. A marine shifting their body weight inside a tank on the other hand does jack shit.
>>97864708>because those use extensive black carapace and neural interface systemsMarines interface with their tanks too. It's why they can have so small crews.>But bikes being more sneaky because there is a Ravenguard or Alpha Legionnaire sitting on is still retardedWe have tanks that perform recon and flanking roles. Why is a bike too much to imagine finding ways of getting behind enemy lines? If you're worried about the noise, we had the technology back in the 60s to make quiet helicopters for a CIA operation in Vietnam. Surely stealthy legions would be able to make modifications for their equipment, as well as train more with said equipment to perform the way they want it to function. Just like frontal assault legions train to go fast and get in the thick of it.>which is why I don't agree that all legion traits affecting bikes is realistic.I'm not saying all traits need to work exactly the same on everything. It's just weak to have legions vary wildly from one another, but all their vehicles and vehicle crews perform 100% identically.
>tqPrimarchs were a mistake.A simple refinement of the thunderwarrior formula and having them led by custodes was all that was needed.
>>97864793You really are being either obtuse, retarded, or both. The black carapace and neural interfaces on dreadnoughts and terminators means the mechanical limbs move as if it were their own. Which isn't anything like interfacing with a tank to have easier access to fuel and targeting read outs. RG and AL isn't about recon or outflanking, there's separate special rules for that. It's about a marine sitting on a speeding bike somehow being less visible within short distances than other legions. Outside of Eldar cloaking shenanigans there isn't anything that accurately describes anything close to that. And again, it is not about the crew. The performance of the tanks themselves should be uniform, because those are too large to be affect by an individual's talents.The only legion that should have some effect on vehicle performance is Iron Hands, due to their close ties to the Mechanicum and high affinity with technology. And even then it is best represented by an upgrade like Blessed Auto-simulacra.
>>97864809Marines pretty much are the refinement of thunder warriors. But primarchs were indeed a mistake. Though it is hard to say if they would have been when their scattering hadn't happened. The Chaos Gods uniting to interfere with the primarch project is a very strong indication of how powerful the untainted primarchs might have been when properly trained and raised on Terra.
My 3k for the Serpent's Lodge event this weekend. It's a narrative event with some psychic and daemonic shenanigans, so there are 3 daemon brutes and a harbinger (internal tempest) and the Centurion with the Chieftains has Thaumaturgy.
>>97864890Saturnine are so fucking ugly jesus christ. You did a good job though.
>>97864890These look really great, bravo. Please take and post pictures of your games if you're able to.
>>97864890That's a sweet looking army. Post some battle reports if you can.
gonna pick up some solar auxilia at a con this weekend lads
>>97864862How are dreadnought limbs with two guns different from legion tank sponsons with two guns? Why should one machine benefit from the operator but the other shouldn't? How is a bike mounted bolt weapon different from a tank mounted one for the purpose of the IF trait?>It's about a marine sitting on a speeding bike somehow being less visible within short distances than other legions.And I explained great many ways how that can be, but you ignored it all to have something to complain about. Same vehicles can be used differently depending on the branch using it. A recon unit will use their vehicles differently from an armoured unit, even if they're the same vehicle. Might as well complain how it doesn't make sense that recon squad magically make their dedicated transport able to sneak around when tactical squads cannot.>Outside of Eldar cloaking shenanigans there isn't anything that accurately describes anything close to that.Even IG has access to all sorts of camo options. Would be odd if legions didn't.>too large to be affect by an individual's talents.So why aren't Legion and Army tanks of the same type identical? Why was Marine crew an update for some tanks in the past? Besides, traits don't reflect "individual talent" but a broad, legion wide doctrine. In some traits they even mention modifications to equipment, because it reflects how the legions puts emphasis on a certain form of warfare and focuses on it down to making their equipment adhere to it. It's why, say, Navy and Air Force can have the same fighter, but with different variations and use them differently to suit their needs and forms of combat. Thus the two are not identical due to organizational differences.
>>97864942>it doesn't make sense that recon squad magically make their dedicated transport able to sneak around when tactical squads cannot.And that's why that is no longer a thing in 3.0
>>97864892Thanks anon. They're not everyone's cup of tea, but the models themselves have grown on me.>>97864896>>97864901I'll take photos and bring a notebook, I'm hoping to make at least get something shareable down
>>97864708>In a tank, it are the mechanics of the tank doing everything, the marine are only there pushing buttons and pulling levers.This is also blatantly false and is a plot point in some BL books like sons of the selenar where a IH guy makes a point that thanks to his bionics he can interface even better than the SoH pilot he's avoiding. It's also referenced in the black books and the 30k aeronautica imperialis book even has planes getting traits. It's why the fellblade has 4 crewmen while the baneblade has 10. Not that I want legion traits on vehicles mind you.
Waiting for some basing materials to arrive before I can finish off my Chieftains, but luckily these bits arrived today so I can start working on my tacs.Thread is too quiet, show off what you're working on anons.
>>97863424> Trench rat?Scum I don't touch dirt.I don't even leave orbit (unless it's for shore leave on a paradise world). I direct my soldiers (or 'pre casualties' as I like to call them) from my comfy rooms on my battleship.
>>97864890Looking ZESTY looking fine anon
>>97865186Love the chains, homemade mirror coins, the olde Orc boss on boar, and the whale sticker anon very ZESTY very fine. Would locker room wrestle with
>>97864921glad muhreens aren't stealing the spotlight this edition, gonna pick up a custodes combat patrol and the new vehicles next week, really hoping the telemon is coming down the line too.
>>97865137Truly a champion of /hhg/
>>97865186the mirror coins are so fucking big looks goofy
>>97865255Anon, you mistake me, these aren't mirror coins, they're mirror commemorative plates
>>97864809>led by custodeslol they're incapable of leading, that's the idea.
>>97863155>why do people who wanted a fixed edition have a problem with getting one broken beyond all recognitiongee I wonder>another to just spam the misconceptions from launchwhy would people who dislike the new edition then go and play it to dispel the misconceptions surrounding it? Really anon it is not as though their opinions would change either if they didn't have those misconceptions, there is a whole lot not to like. Alsopeople who hate the edition don't want it to succeed, since that tells GW that the rules sucked so they better change it back to when the game was more successful. Spamming misconceptions is totally validated if it results in a product you want.
Rejoice, Bearers of the Word fans. GW has released the old Black Book extract of your favourite legion:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/mq2bsjkb/pages-from-the-black-books-the-word-bearers/
>>97864890Show me your theridons.
>>97865331> spamming misconceptions is totally validated if it results in a product you wantSoulless behavior
>>97865331>rules suck and no I haven’t played or even properly read it yet. I was told it sucks in a dreamGuess this is what “2.0 is a good game if you houserule it into oblivion” does to your brain
>>97864047Maybe a separate and/or weaker effect could work, if it doesn't make tanks too lopsided to fight. Forced snap shots at RG tanks would be kinda silly.
>>97865354This is before I based them. They're all packed away now for the weekend
>>97865331Thanks for confirming 2.0fags are dumb irrational contrarians.
>>97865442Really fitting models for daemon brutes actually, consider the idea stolen.
>>97865457The Thaumaturge makes a good Harbinger and the Myrmidon matches for a Hierarch
>>97862701Im looking to add something to go from 3k to 3.5k. Opinions? I was looking at aux allies? I can do artillery command and 3 basiesOr a command tank, 2 assault tanks all with plasma I could do that cheaper with marines and just do like 3 or 4 preds with plasma but that feels lame
