What is the third biggest space franchise after Trek and Wars? Is it actually Warhammer 40K? Because the only other contender I can think of is Doctor Who. The tabletop game Warhammer 40K might actually be it, right?
>>97863915As if 40k compares to the popularity or income of pic related.Dr Who is mostly Earth based, also not in the same league.
>>97863943Capeslop, not a space franchise, just a franchise that happens to feature space. Same as Green Lantern or Superman.
>>97863950Guys fly all over space, in space ships, but it's not a space franchise, and star wars isn't capeslop, pic not at all related
>>97863915>Gundam $5 billion>GW entire revenue 400 milBitch pls.
>>97863915Probably gundam Doctor who is kinda dogshit btw. I don’t know how people can tolerate that. Fuck whoever told me to watch that because I liked twin peaks.
>>97863950Faggy retarded arbitrary distinction and Guardians of the Galaxy was never conceptualized as a superhero story despite being a comic. It's like calling Judge Dredd or Hellboy "capeslop"In the abstract sense where even shit like Dragon Ball(another franchise heavily involving space and aliens and way bigger than 40k, but I'll take the caveat that space wasn't really that important until Z) are considered superhero stories sure who gives a fuck, but not in the superhero genre to anyone who actually gives a shit about words
There's multiple space franchises that are bigger, more popular and recognizable, more influential, more financially successful, or all at once, or other shit I forgot, than 40k.I don't know why fags always overestimate that shit on here, no matter the topic.
>>97863915By money made, Star Trek is actually #3 after pic related.
>>97863915Bigger by which metric?Revenue? Gundam.Popularity with youngsters? Invincible.Popularity with boomers? Red Dwarf.
>>97864021tl;dr your mouseslop is capeshit
>>97864055Gundam's revenue isn't actually that high, according to Bandai anyway. Beaten by both Avatar and Halo.
>>97864069Avatar got airship not sp... oh, right, the other one.Also how's Dune/DUNC franchise?
>>97864071>DuneNot even on the list I'm cribbing from.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_media_franchises
>>97864021>It's like calling Judge Dredd or Hellboy "capeslop"those are capeslop
>>97863915Do you mean in terms of money made or influence in the cultural zeitgeist?For the former, I'd go with Transformers. Between all the films, shows and the mountain of toys, I'd be willing to bet that it's raked in third most after Wars and Trek.For the latter, that's much trickier. Alien, Dune and Gundam all have sizable franchises that are relevant today but have had staggering influence on other media during their long lifespans. There would be no 40k without Dune. No Armored Core without Gundam. No Metroid without Alien. Many other properties would simply not exist or look incredibly different without their inspiration. If I had to choose, I would lean towards Alien as that pioneered a lot of sci-fi and horror motifs that we take for granted today, whilst still actually being a very large, recognisable and well-supported franchise.
>>97864072DUNC 1&2 combined grossed 1 billion worldwide.No idea how's the numbers for books and vidya.
>>97863915It's Wh40k, yes. They've reached the worldwide presence that people whop have no idea what this whole thing is will recognise a Space marine, just like they recognize a lightsaber or the starship Enterprise.Stargate, BSG and B5 were there at some point, I guess. but they never fully made the jump from a TV series to a wider universe>>97863943The MCU is pretty much over at this point. They're bringing back heroes from ten years ago to somehow cushion their fall.Dr Who can be cool, but it was very British.And then it got modern audience'd, but that is also happening to ST and SW. And the MCU.
>>97864101>Dr Who can be cool, but it was very British.Good ironic joke you told us, very British in its sardonicism. We all know that Dr Who being very British is a plus not a "but". McGann only became the longest incumbent doctor because when they tried to Americanise Dr Who they ripped the heart of the matter from and the tv part of the franchise was dropped like a hot potato, not even the yanks liked it being dumbed down for them.
Warhammer is number one when it comes to the most annoying fanboys metric
>>97864139>We all know that Dr Who being very British is a plus not a "but".If you want to compare its worldwide popularity with shit like ST, SW, 40k or even the MCU it does become a 'but' I love the humor, and quirks, and I'm not British. But I also understand that this is an in-group thing.A niche thing, like Andromeda or Farscape were niche SciFi TV. Most nerds will know who the Doctor is, of course. but the sad truth is this: The last few years the only headlines a normie would have heard about Dr Who is that it is a very progreessive scifi show and that all the old fans are now facist homophobes which is why it's now cancelled.Which also happened to Star Wars, and Star Trek. And Rings of Power.And the new Harry Potter show appears to be headed down that route too. Weird how that keeps happening.
>>97864148No sir, the Disney Adults of the Sõy Wars fandom have them beat quite handily. Doctor Who has the Superwholock set. Bungays are less prevalent than they once were thanks to Halo gigasharting, but have only gotten whinier with time as a result. Gundam fags are unbelievably gay and noisy and generally just shit up any mecha adjacent space.Warhammer has obnoxious faggots for sure but it's nowhere near the top of the totem pole.
>>97864203None of those are as annoying as 40kfags who proclaim 40k as the peak of science fiction from the top of the tower while having read no actual science fiction.
>>97864063>hurr durr I'm retardedOkay
Lightsabers, the tardis, a gundam, optimus prime, the enterprise All more recognizable to a normie than faggy space marines
>>97864207Nah, you just think that because you are part of one or more of those fandoms and feel wounded when a 40k fag says his primarch could beat up your hero. All of those fandoms are more prevalent and less jocular than the memespouting 40k/Space King secondary.
>>97864203>Doctor Who has the Superwholock setYou had to go out of your way into the depths of early 2010's white girl tumblr to ever be exposed to that shit. The irl fans pf Dr Who and Supernatural still tended to be boomer men who weren't into online shitStar Wars is no longer "cool" to like and be really into anymore so I don't hear the fans as much as one would 10, even 20 years ago
>>97863947I wish
>>97864374>when a 40k fag says his primarch could beat up your heroYou're proving his point by bringing up the gayest type of 40cuck fanboy behavior At least capeshit and shounen slop fans have self awareness when they talk about that shit, 40gays actually get emotionally invested when they argue about that while pretending they're above children's media(they never read all the shit GW ripped off)
>>97864077If we're talking about influence, Dune is definitely the biggest. Literally has some kind of connection to everything else minus Trek and maybe Transformers
>>97864370drwho is specifically an anglo thing, with virtually zero outreach outside of the anglosphere, the others have more global footprint, random spic or slav will recognize Darth Wader or Optimus Prime, but not tardis
>>97864387>TransformersWhat, you don't remember the scene where Optimus Prime tests Shia LeBouf with the Gom jabbar?I thought it was pretty on the nose honestly.
No Alien mention?
>>97864400You mean Alien-Predator cinematic multiverse?The TV series poisoned the franchise so bad people started forgetting the first couple entries were good.
>>97864392The anglo is pretty huge when it comes to sci-fi, like it or not thoughever, but yes even my mother calls my gunpla transformers and even the in US, Dr Who feels very niche and still seen as a weird British thing. Even Harry Potter doesn't get that treatment despite being very British too>>97864400Was mentioned earlier, is definitely up there
>>97864387Yeah Dune's one of those where the influence is deeply ingrained now. I've recently got into Infinity and the Observance is obviously directly lifted from 40k's Sisters of Battle, but the influence of the Bene Gesserit - "all-female religious order doing political shenanigans behinds the scenes" - is still there.
>>97864468Also God Emperor, also psionic ubermensch, also navigators, also cosmic feudalism, aslo energy shields which protects against ranged weapons but lets through melee strikes.
>>97863915Stargate
>>97863968Dead franchise. Been dead for awhile now. Kids today do not give a single fuck about Halo.
>>97864486Oh yes of course 40k just wouldn't exist as it does now without Dune.I meant that Infinity has indirect influence from Dune despite clearly taking inspiration from 40k.It's like modern fantasy writers being inspired by Tolkien, who was himself inspired by Norse sagas first recorded by Sturluson.
>>97864370A gundam?? Lmfao
>>9786391540k is on the road to surpassing the other two within this decade. Star Trek and Star Wars have both been mishandled in a way that has seriously damaged public perception of both, meanwhile 40k as a multi-media property keeps getting bigger and bigger. 40k went from something most young people didn't know about, to now being at least somewhat aware of. When SM2 came out, every vTuber was streaming it among all the big agencies, which sounds stupid but that's a huge corner of modern youth entertainment. With the Amazon series deal still in the pipeline, it's just a matter of time.
>>97864593>Gundam $5 billion>GW entire revenue 400 milYou are stupid fag.
>>97864504This
>>97864606> So retarded he thinks the overwhelming majority of the West gives a fuck about v tubers Dont trick yourself into thinking a v tuber appearing for one Dodgers game made them 'mainstream.'The people with money don't know or give too fucks. They are for the poor and terminally online.
>>9786396819 years ago maybe
>>97864808>https://youtu.be/LZzt5aS-6Zo?si=yNAu_LkLy9-CunvVOk caveman.
>>97864536>indirect influence from DuneAnon, a large part of Haqq is pretty much Fremen with the serial numbers filed off.
>>97864820Holy fuck.
Sometimes I forget how delusional 40k fans are and then a thread like this happens.
>>97863943No one would ever call this a space franchise what the fuckWhen you hear "what are some franchises like star trek and star wars" literally not a single person would say "guardians of the galaxy"!
>>97863947BSG is long over, anon.
>>97863915Absolutely not. My mother will recognize something from Star Wars or Star Trek, but has no idea what a space marine is. 40k is utterly irrelevant in terms of wider pop culture until she can recognize it. This is the most objective metric available.
>>97865176To put things in perspective, GotG has several video games, several hollywood blockbuster films, several container ships worth of toys and other merchandise (including the viral "dancing groot" that has delivered countless thousands of young girls their first orgasms), a theme park ride, a breakfast cereal, a holiday special, a card game, several board games, two monopoly editions, and a cartoon.More people can word-for-word quote every line of one of the Guardians of the Galaxy then are even aware that 40k is a franchise and not the name of some angry lumpy blue robot.
>>97865238My dad kind of knows 40k, he knows it as that thing Henry Cavill (Superman) might make a show about. That's not nothing, at least.
>>97865288Yes, guardians of the galaxy is more popular than most space franchises. It's still not a space franchise. I know you want to clown on 40kids but you can do that without being purposefully obtuse.
>>97865314>It's still not a space franchise."Space" is not really a category for franchises. Sci-fi is.GotG takes place in outer space, with space ships, visiting other planets, aliens, the whole interstellar-adventures business. If we're going to call something "Space" like a descriptive adjective, GotG is very Space.
>>97863915>TrekDoes anyone care about Star Trek?
>>97865350Nope, the franchise is dying.
>>97865350Yes, it's one of the most beloved TV series ever.
>>97863947I hate all the damage this show did to sci-fi in general.
>>97863915My lore autism compels me to say that Gun Nuns don't actually like Space Marines that much, they're filthy mutants.
>>97865362They like Space Marines, because they're basically tanks that kill lots of mutants, heritics, and aliens with a lot of ease, they just want nothing to do with them. It's like my friend who's a sanitation worker. I love the guy and he does very important work, but I'd prefer he showers after work before I touch him.
>>97865357>>97865358Behold, the duality of man.
>>97865350It has a lot of fans, just like Star Wars.The people managing those IPs have not done a god job maintaining and growing their fandoms, though.
>>97865396Both can be true. Newer series have dropping ratings, but TOS, TNG, and DS9 are still highly regarded and get very good stream numbers for shows their age.
>>97865362>>9786539140k Canon is slop designed to get the little timmies of the world to buy more space marine miniatures, caring about it outside of as a surface level entry point to whatever part of the fanon you enjoy is a mistake, just saying.
>>97865456That's true of all popular sci fi.
>>97865456I like talking to randos on 4chan about it.
>>97864405I heard the show was pretty good? Haven't watched it, what's the problem?
>>97863915Star WarsStar TrekStargateDune (more people watched the movies than marine box sales in 4 years)40k
>>97865456As somebody that knows most of the lore? Yeah, it's true. I've wasted my time and my precious brainpower.
>>97865481It wasn't true of classic Star Trek, the original series, and it was only slightly true of TNG era trek.>>97865502Fair enough, but understand that what you know to be canon can change on a whim if somebody at James corporate office decides it will get more dumb tweens/teens to swipe their equally dumb parent's credit/debit cards to buy more Primaris models with.>>97865552I wouldn't go that far, since the fanon does need at least some loose connection to the canon in order to make some vague kind of sense. Also, if you enjoyed wasting that time, then you didn't waste it.
>>97865617>what you know to be canon can change on a whim if somebody at <some> corporate office decides it will get more dumb tweens/teens to swipe their equally dumb parent's credit/debit cards to buy morethat applies to every franchise nowadays
>>97865456Same is true of Gundam, Sôy Wars, Kamen Rider, Transformers.
>>97865361Such as?>it's been on my to watch list for a while
>>97865404>The people managing those IPs have not done a god job maintaining and growing their fandoms, though.just like Star Wars.
>>97864593Still almost interchangeable with anime as a whole in a lot of people's brains and for decades
>>97865810The last two are superhero stories. Kamen Rider more literally, while Transformers lore got a lot of influence from the Marvel comics. So people will expect that since superhero stories are about keeping the conflict going 40keks is the same but thinks it's above that
>>97865396No matter how much slop is being churned out in the modern day, the earlier installments are still highly respected and seen as some kind of cultural landmarks
>>97866239The first two are also superhero stories
Is Transformers sci-fi? I'll admit I never watched it. Also what are we counting as sci-fi?
>>97866265In the imageboard "everything is a capeshit" sense
>>97866313It's about ancient alien robots from space warring over energy resources they need to live. Sometimes it's on Earth, sometimes there are humans, but the robots and their space problems are the primary focus.
>>97866340Gundam is about pilots of weapons platforms with special unique abilities, or even the pilots themselves having superpowers, battling evil with the power of justice. This fist of mine glows with an awesome power, its burning grip tells me to defeat you. Anyone who tells you gundam is a serious war drama is probably trans.Star Wars is about an order of selfless individuals with superpowers whose mission is to bring intergalactic peace and counteract the nefarious crimes of a shadowy group of superpowered criminals positioned as their direct opposite.Both are significantly more capeshit than Transformers, which was a literal Marvel comic.
>>97863995Have you tried reading This Town Will Never Let Us Go? That's very Lynchian and tangentially related to Doctor Who.
>>97866362Yeah I know you can play this game for literally about anything, that's why next time you should stick to the endless expansions or reboots or the literal super robot spin offs instead of "hurr they have powers"
>>97866341They are virtually never in space. Space is 5% of the series at most. They are aliens, but it's like calling ET a space series.
40k is closer to capeshit than its fan base wants to admit. The only difference is that they wank to how le grimdark it is, so it's basically just a 90's capeshit story in that case. But it's still about muscle bound spectacles in goofy armor one upping each other in endless conflict that will go on forever for the sole purpose of selling more toys to grown men. But it's different because chaos o algo
>>97866395Anon asked if transformers was a sci-fi and you don't have to be in space to be sci fi
>>97866395Their problems, however, tend to be space problems, even when they're on Earth. "We're running out of our space fuel!" "Bad guys from THERE are coming HERE!" "The space macguffin has gone missing!" "The BAD space alien has a giant purple griffin spaceship and he's about to make it our problem!" Earth issues like "the governments don't like us" or "do robots need to do taxes" tend to be window dressing to the former.
>>97865805Sadly true, yeah. It was probably always like this to some extent at least, but it feels more vulgar and crass now, and it seems like everybody is doing it.
>>97866391Concession accepted, thanks. Fun fact, Darth Vader was directly inspired by Darkseid of DC comics fame.>>97866414Still less capeshit than Gundam or Star Wars!
>>97864387>>97864468Dune is a funny IP as in it has been tremendously influential, but the mainstream audiences really only know the stuff in first couple of books before it gets weird as fuck.It reminds me about how huge influence early Tarzan books have had on popular culture, but how most normies have no idea how batshit insane the latter Tarzan books get as they progress.
