As the enshittification of the official rules continues unabated, let’s discuss alternative rulesets. Share your experiences and perhaps we can highlight more distinctive features of each."ProHammer Classic"-Best of from 3rd to 7th edition with 5th edition as base.-reactive fire, reworked wound allocation, classic overwatch, deeper shooting and much more-rulebook, scenarios, campaign system, ChatGPT powered unit creation tool, TTS Mod-Use with any Codex from 3rd - 7th editionhttps://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/796101.pagehttps://sites.google.com/view/prohammer40k?usp=sharing"Custom40k"-"system powered by German autism"-rewrite to modernize, streamline and rebalance the classic era (3rd - 7th edition)-Alternating activation, Model backwards(and forwards) compatibility, huge customization(as in 3.5 chaos codex style customization), armor values for vehicles-rulebook, codices, campaign system, scenarios and a working points calculator-Discord: https://discord.com/invite/wnGAB3TYAYhttps://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/383354-custom40k-homebrew-with-alternate-activation-huge-customisation-support-for-all-models/https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/806918.page"The Long War Project"-fusion between 3rd edition and 7th/horus heresy. With some bits from 8th.-rulebook, scenarios and codices-actively maintained-Discord: https://discord.com/invite/nkxx4ZUBRUhttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1VBC2H49xydk8lPxgAjTY9sFtNmHQefp4"Alternate 40k Rules"-rulebook, scenarios, codicies-not actively maintained since 2022https://alternate40krules.wordpress.com/"Waffle Edition /tg/-Edition"-rulebook and codices, as well a WIP points calculator-not actively maintained since 2024https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H9BSZAMNLNupOgwFLyWrCNrb1uBG3j_9XbopwhAES_4/edit?pli=1&tab=t.0https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Waffle_Edition_40K
Just move on man. It’s just toys, grow up. Stop chasing your false dream.
>>97866150Ignore this guy.Cannibalize, refit, play, test, and eventually, rewrite and rebrand.
>>97866150>STOP PLAYING GAMESWeird take to bring to /tg/.
>>97866133Has the 3.5 battle bible project died?
These are the ones i know ofPepsi hammer>3-6th best of with custom tailored codeciesPro hammer>3-6 best of (rulebook only), play with your favorite codecies.AA Hammer>Go to alternating activation. Has codecies.Custom 40k>a different alternating activation with a touch of the 'tism.40k reforged>tourney trashLong war projecthuge unit conversion from modern into HH2.0?
>>97866419It did, I was the only one posting and when I stopped the threads died. It was a sad case of "who will help me bake this pie".
>>97866419It finish transcribing the codex of third into an easy to read and print pdf. The issue is the guys working on it have .txt levels of knowledge regarding editors so it got stuck
>makes a thread about alternative 40k rulesets>does not include THE alternative 40k rulesetBait thread, you should have stayed in /awg/
>>97866610I know you're playin me, but I still want to know.
>>97866572It was also just an attitude of complete unwillingness to learn anything new. The amount of posters who would poke in and say "I love what you doing Id love to help oh but I can barely use a keyboard lmao I could never possibly contribute" was disheartening to say the least.
>>97866631I did some spell checking and try to help, but god damn a bunch of faggots just went there to be assholes.Like some how if that project actually worked 10th would die or something. It was insane to watch the amount of schizo posting in favor of modern 40k. I do not recall seeing it in grog or anywhere else.
>>97866631>>97866651I assume the 4ed core rules were never fully transcribed?
>>97866682The BRB was finished (as far as I know) but not a single codex got finished. The project stopped with all the codecies transcribed into super barebones word documents that looked like butt. It never crossed the point where someone would choose to use them over just a pdf scan of the original book.>>97866651Yeh a few grifters were very negative, but the passivity and apathy was worse imo.
>>97866150You realize what board you are on, correct?
>>97866709Do you happen to have the BRB file?
>>97866749Best I can offer, looks like the mega is still up.https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97278656/#97278656
>>97866419the idiots didn't know about battlescribe or battlescribe files and were weirdly locked in on transcribing codeces when a majority of that work was already done. so much time, energy, and momentum wasted.
>>97867039We knew about faggotscribe and faggotscribe files, we just aren't faggots who like peen in the bum. Actual wargamers reference documents and construct their lists on A4 paper with pencils.And eh >>97866419 yes and no. It's not been updated in a while but the work that was done is still done and the discord occasionally shows signs of life.
>>97868074then youd know that all the rules are already transcribed. you couldve vibecoded an xml2pdf formatter with it if that's your goal.your obsession with homosexuals and genitalia has been noted
>>97868391>an xml2pdf formatterso you know nothing about battlescribe format AND pdf authoring? shamefur display. and i'm not even a grog, came here to laugh at grogs who are so out of touch they don't even know what rulesets people actually play.
>>97868391>>97868737Alright lets cool the shit flinging, I only get to enjoy one of these 40k homebrew threads like once a quarter.>xml to pdfIn theory that could have been done, sure, but the barrier to entry was already really high. Peoples ability was limited to what they could do with notepad. I also think we looked and there wasnt a battlescribe 4th ed (only 3rd ed). We had an anon in the thread who was working on a 4th ed one, but somehow it got corrupted and I dont know where he went from there.
>>97866728board of no games?
>>97868748The xml to pdf is not complicated but very tedious and may not work very well. I’ve been looking into the battlescribe internals since the developer came back from the dead (only to disappear again) and they are quite complicated and the data is usually encoded in a way that is not very conducive to creating a human readable pdf. So nothing too complicated about the tech itself (xml and pdf) but the data itself may be. Definitely something I don’t expect the average anon to be able to handle.> t. professional software engineer
>>97869091Ive thought about what it would take to do something similar. Essentially what we are talking about is parameterizing everything, then using a template to format it. I havn't done it myself (for my own homebrew) because honestly I spend to much hobby time on it and not building minis as it is. I know latex, so the way I think of the problem is "how do I get from a database to latex?" The way I would go about it is write a python layer to generate latex code to typeset. But there are so many exceptions, even down to simple shit like list formatting for available upgrade options.
>>97866133Which alt ruleset gives marines 2 wounds? I don't like a lot of modern 40k, but one thing I do like is marines feeling actually durable, and for marine armies to be smaller and elite.
>>97869949You’re the reason 40k went to shit
>>97869954Taking bait when it's obvious is a form of kindness I suppose. You should be less kind.
>>9786613310/10 thread
>>97869962It's not bait. I stand by it. >>97869954Tell me how cunt.
>>97869949"custom 40k" and "alternate 40k Rules" do
>>97866133Jesus christ just play a different fucking game at this point.
>>97870100>just go play some random literally who garbage instead of the best setting ever created with dozens of cool and distinct factionsNo
>>97869949Marines never needed 2 wounds.
https://github.com/Kothra/Warhammer-40-000-4th-Edition-for-NewRecruit
>>97869949They don't need 2 wounds when damage isn't bloated to fuck.
>>97869091>>97869303Not that i'm too invested in the subject, was just lurking, but an XML parser can't be that hard to do surely?It's not like it has to be a generic one-size-fits-all, just do all the hacks necessary to deal with the battlescribe format. That said I would never use Latex, it's horrendous for large formatting imo. I've used it for uni work and wanted to shoot myself once it started going past 15 pages and had to do special formatting and wait for it to render. Typst is a fairly nice alternative.Though I suspect if it's going to mainly be used by non-techie users then you might want to stick to something like Affinity Publisher or Indesign.
Haha oh boy here we go again, tire fire that the fourk was didn't teach you anything huh
>>97869949Space marines didnt need 2 wounds because 2 wounds only makes them move durrable to small arms fire, which they didnt need. A unit of guardsman kills like 1 space marine in a round of shooting, that is a fair amount of points. Space marines were too vulnerable to anti tank weapons because 40k has no meaningful way of distinguishing a las cannon from a sniper rifle. AP2 pie plate that ID wouldnt care about an extra wound.
why are none of these based on second edition? I want something that leans into unique mechanics either like second edition cards or like command points ( but better )
>>97870563I think when it came down to it, making a formatted unit entry requires you to type out exactly how you want the thing to look. So whether or not you are specifying where a bunch of data pulls get placed, or just typing out the words, its kinda a wash in the amount of effort. The one thing I wish I had a data structure for is pretty much just the summary table at the back because I have to type all the weapons again manually. Its a cool idea I just never got around to it. For a homebrew project I also would need a better way of interacting with the database, I was playing around with that too. The real trick would be working out a good way to making lists, like, does the option replace one of your exiting items, can you take only one from the list, are things mutually exclusive. That would be the first step to working it out I think.>typst vs latexI have heard of typst but its still in infancy, you just cant do what latex can do. Latex has decades of libraries and problem solving for it for weird niche things. But also I just dont know it, so I use latex. I was well into my now decade long homebrew project by the time typst came out, I have custom classes and templates for latex.>afpubI think they had a means of using a json to feed templates, but the anon who was in charge of the BRB wasnt interested in it.
>>978661500/10.
>>978706552nd edition has a battle bible already, google it you will find it.
