Satanic EditionPrevious: >>97870242>Most recent banlist updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.comhttps://www.pdhrec.com>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM (embed)>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: what was your first commander?
>>97876733>TQ: what was your first commander?For this color combination, it was either this or Doran.
>TQFirst commander I made, I was a retard who was trying to make a 60 card golem tribal deck already when I started playing so I had all of the splicers and a few other cards already.He's fun, but for some reason bant just makes me fall asleep.
>>97876733>TQI started Magic playing standard in 2017, so I was partial to the timmysaurs
>TQTechnically it was Horde of Notions but the first one I built myself was Orah
Some of you are alright, don't come to Commander Day
>>97876804Collector OupheWinter MoonI pay the 1.
>POV: You're playing blue or cards from Secrets of Troonhaven
>>97876854Can I get a pass for playing the black Paradigm spell? It's so fucking good
>>97876760He's one of the more recent decks that I made.To make it more interesting, I made it Arcane sub themed then called it Splice Splice Baby. Which was both more challenging to build and gave the deck way more creative interactions.
>TQ
>TQBerit was my first.Had her in a bounce control deck. Saw how my friends were reacting to her though so I switched her out for Chromium later.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>97876733>TQthe first legendary I got at all. I ended up trading him for an entire RDW deck. at least everything involved in the transaction is now under a dollar, but it was like 25 bucks at the time.downloading this image made me notice they rebalanced the blue in the image for some reason.
>>97876868Seems like a fun take on it.
>>97876733It was either this or Sharuum, I forget which.
>prefer to build b4 decks and optimise my gameplay>friends prefer b2~3, or are generally more casual, or have less money>I can't play my decks, because they'll never winBeen thinking of just building "bad" commanders, Phelddagrif being the first on the list.Is there a fun way to pilot him? I mainly want to control the board, and survive while also allowing my friends to play their decks and their cards.My goal should still be to win, but without making my friends feel bad. Stax and the like is disallowed, combos are fine as long as they thematically fit.Any tips on where to start? Any cards that I absolutely should include? Bonus points if the card is more niche, as I likely know about most of the cards already.
Gimme some ideas for how to cook a Tannuk deck. My basic gameplan is to get him out ASAP, slap people with big dick red/artifact creatures with nasty ETB, and have some added utility in the deck like Sunbird's Invocation, Sarkhan's Unsealing, and Indistrial Advancement. I'll probably also throw in Conjurer's Closet and Sindial to cheat the warp exile.Besides the obvious shit like Blightsteel and Ancient Copper, what other stuff should I be considering?
>tqJust now getting back into magic after like 15 years of not playing, I used to love building decks around Jarad and Grimgrin but I didn't realize that Commander was already a thingSo I bought picrel's precon
>>97876944
>>97876958ETBs with discover i think are pretty good
>>97876983Shit you're right. I was so focused on giant robots and dragons that I forgot Etali and his gang existed. Time for more free shit.
>>97876804Nice fakes.Don't sit at my table
>>97876733>TQShadowborn Apostle.dekI thought it would be cool to have a "demonic toolbox" for any situation and to make deals and stuff with other players and then just ended up tutoring for the same 2-3 demons every game. Then they printed Razaketh and it got even worse and I took it apart shortly thereafter.
>TQPicrel. Juri's a pretty fun commander.He gets out early, and people tend to ignore him because he's really low-impact.But his interaction changes late game when people start realizing that their life total is just about equal to his power. I've had a lot of good times with this clownfuck.
>>97877052Imagine paying thousands for cardboard and then simping for the company that scammed you.
>>97876733I wish this card didn't suck. I want a Satan deck
>>97877052The funny thing is even if you owned these cards, some autistic anti-proxy fag would try to stop you from using them by claiming they are "proxies"And no sane person is taking true duals and cradles out of sleeves to do tests on them.
>>97876733>TQIn like 2013. It didn't go far. I wish she wasn't so out matched in 2026.
>bracket 3??>ok I rolled highest I’ll go first>t1 surveil>t2 sol ring reanimate jin gitaxis>fow the only turn 2 removal anyone had>we discard our hands>he beacons bolas citadel out of his gy (drew 7 on his end step!)
>>97877194Turn 4 jin in B3 is fine, right? I do that
>>97877194>Allowed 3 GC>Managed to get all three of them out in turn 2Seems fishy, but is what it is.>>97877220>Says clearly turn 2 Jin
>>97877224I am aware what he said. I am asking if turn 4 is ok if turn 2 isn't.
>mfw my opponent interacts with me outside of bracket 4
What's some spicy tech you like and think is underplayed?
What win conditions should you use in UG land-draw pile like tatyova / Aesi?
>>97877249Maze's end
>>97877254Wait this might be gas
>>97874881You're proving my point that commander players aren't willing to pay even 1 more mana for land ramp outside of green.
>>97876733>TQThe King of FlingWho is has sadly been dissembled for quite some time but lives on in Bruse Tarl + Gilanra Big Lard Tribal
>>97877246>free sac outlet>walls voltron decks>gets around hexrpoof/shroud>harder to remove than artifactsThis goes in any W deck with tokens.
>>97876733>TQ: what was your first commander?Freyalise!
>>97877245You know he posts on /v/
>Says my deck is a 3 on commandersalt>Doesn't have any GCs in it>Take out a true dual and a fetch>Now its a bracket 1This site is weird.
>>97877472>says it is bracket 3 when it doesn't meet any criteria for bracket 3weird
>>97877246Mirror of Life Trapping. It's a lite-stax piece that doubles enter triggers and can even perma someone's commander if played correctly. It's got a surprising number of synergies for what it does, especially in bounceflicker, but its price point isn't even worth the cardboard it's printed on. Well regardless of how good it actually is, it's definitely a spicy card. There's better alternatives, but nothing's quite like it.
>>97877477A strength of a 3 isn't soley on GCs my guy.
>>97877472Okay but how does your deck perform after you takeout your true dual and fetchs tho.
>>97877482>Nooo you have duals and fetches so it is bracket 4!No where in the bracket criteria does it list anything about the lands you use. Criteria is no two card infinites, no super early wins, and limited or no GCs. If it does not hit this criteria then it isn't bracket 3/4. "You dropped this scary creature early on" doesn't matter. It isn't violating any criteria.If you use criteria like this then brackets are entirely up to interpretation.
>>97877494Probably about the same to be honest.
>>97877504Then why not just take them out?
>>97876733>TQPlayed a pile of bad artifacts I had like Arsenal Thresher and Tower Gargoyle against my buddy's Experiment Kraj deck.Good times.
>>97877509Why would you?
>>97877509I am, Its just weird to me that two lands cause it to go up too full brackets.>>97877520I'm building a 2. I don't want to use too many card that are unlikely to ever appear in precons. I'm already pushing it with a shock land and a few other cards.
>>97877534>Its just weird to me that two lands cause it to go up too full brackets.Depends who you ask.
>>97877520Because they're the optimal lands and one of the bracket criterias is how optimized your deck is. So designing your deck with less powerful lands is an easy way to lower your bracket.If you don't care about brackets, then sure, leave them in. Who gives a shit what commander salt thinks?
>TQRiku as some jank hybrid artifact/clone/etb deck. it was bad but it had dockside in it lol>>97877534>I am, Its just weird to me that two lands cause it to go up too full brackets.People get really really upset if you play a Tundra instead of a Hallowed Fountain despite them being only about a 5% power difference between them if you genuinely consider 2 life a cost. We have so many pretty decent extremely mildly conditional duals that come in untapped for various reasons or produce both colors for various reasons at this point that OG Duals are mostly just a flex and are sick if you show them to people. Arguably one of the types of cards that are the most cringe to proxy and yet the coolest to see in their real form.
>>97877551But they aren't against the bracket criteriaWhat will happen is you'll get into an argument in person because your definition varies from other players.
>>97877566there being*
>>97876733>TQ: what was your first commander?Nearly every permanent untapped him, so I would just tap/untap/tap/untap him several times per turn to lock the entire table down. Had like 20 counterspells. Fisher Price My First Control Deck and it was fucking trash
>>97877566>Arguably one of the types of cards that are the most cringe to proxy and yet the coolest to see in their real formI'd love to hear this explained.
>>97876733>TQFriend gave me a deck with his Ixalan bulk. I still have it, just upgraded and with the new Brass at the helm.
>240 dollary doos in foilWhat in the god damn
>>97877587What's need to be explained? Its cringe to just make a goodstuff pile deck with nothing but proxied true duals and fetches for all of the colors..Someone actually doing them with genuine articles is rare and neat to see.Sounds like he struck a nerve though.
>>97877613nta but that seems retarded
>>97877569>But they aren't against the bracket criteriaNot explicitly. Depends on how far you actually read into their rationale for each of the brackets.One of the things they focus on is staples and optimization, which the higher you go with that the more it leans into competitive.But Commandersalt is a statistics site that doesn't really have room for anything that nebulous or poorly defined, so it just labels fetches and true duals as staples and calls it a day.
>>97877587i can't really sum it up better than >>97877613 didif you proxy all of your true duals, then you proxy all of your fetches so you can make sure you play your true duals, then it's off to the races for every other thing that effectively strips your deck of any identity or pleasure in playing it beyond going "LOOK AT IT" lmaoI own a Tundra, I've had people ask to hold it when I play it because it's the first time they've seen a real one. There's a prestige to these things, earned or not, that gives them flair.douse yourself in glitter if you must, but don't think we'll mistake you for gold lol>>97877608I think the Blurza from that one
>>97877625>Another changshopper has entered the chat.
>>97877435It's just GotC poster when people realize he's actually just baiting.
I rebuilt my Sauron deck to have a bigger focus on reanimation but i need some help please.https://moxfield.com/decks/8Zcdp9T6AEyuPWvV0EcSVQI want to fit in a Lotus Petal, another reanimation target and ideally another reanimation spell too, but idk what i could possibly cut for those.Anyone have any ideas?
>>97877633desu how would you ever even know if they were real or just good fakes and the guy is a liar?
>>97877587>>Arguably one of the types of cards that are the most cringe to proxyNTA, but I make proxies for my friends from time to time.I pretty much cringe any time they ask me to make true duals or fetches. Like, just go grab a piece of card board and draw your own lame little volcanic island. If you don't care about people judging you, then just own it.
>>97877632Your mind set is genuinely retarded and falls apart to the most basic forms of logic. It is also rife with contradiction.
>>97877647>Good fakesIts pretty obvious to spot a real true dual and chinese counterfeit just looking in a sleeve. 30 year old cards don't look like they were printed yesterday with 0 age and shiny as fuck. If you really want to sand you bootlegs all weekend and then leave them in a window for 2 weeks to gain some sun damage just so you can try and look cool fooling people, go for it, but ask yourself why you are going through so much trouble, and you'll see how cringe it is.Its more cringe than going to the LGS with sharpie on a basic.
>>97877658No shit, he's a tripfag and posts solely for attention.
>>97877677Surely you won't mind submitting to a loupe test? Otherwise you can't use them against me.>just trust me broNo.
>>97877658>man covered in glitter proclaims himself goldOk
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd dead. It's that easy for a handsome vampire stud to shoot your uggo chud commander dead like a dog. Next time make the right decision and play someone who isn't an eyesore and I MIGHT have mercy on you.
>TQMost of the time I won by doing Zombie spam rather than use him lmao
>>97876733Muldrotha. I came from Yu-Gi-Oh so the idea of playing a deck that played out of the grave appealed to me and she did it exactly. Filled it full of zombies I found and did it zombie tribal.
>>97877658>It is also rife with contradiction.Such as
>>97877738Trip back on
>>97877739Not him + not an argument + L.
>>97876733>tq
>>97877551That's not how brackets work sorry bro
>>97877787Why are you apologizing to me? I'm not the one who made commander salt and already told you ignore it if you feel like it.
>tqIt's (o:dungeon OR o:initiative) the deck, with a party sub-theme, but this is what got me to try Magic. No regrets so far.
>>97876733First commander I ever used period was Brimaz from the Orzhov Phyrexia preconFirst commander I ever used in a deck I built myself was Mycotyrant, it wasn't good at all but I still like him
>>97877613It's more cringe to say it's fine for people to play goodstuff decks with true duals if they bought them.
>>97877825How so?They invested the money at the least, and time over collecting at best to acquire them at most.. Why is it cringe to use cards you own? How is it less cringe to use cards you don't actually own just because they are strong?
>>97877551>>97877626The bracket system explicitly makes an exception for manabase quality in its qualifications. You're allowed to have a perfectly optimized manabase in a bracket 1 deck.
>>97877831>The bracket system explicitly makes an exception for manabase quality in its qualifications"There are no hard-and-fast rules" is the opposite of being explicit. If anything, that's aggressively avoiding the question, which is why commander salt just make up its own answer and called them "staples".
>>97877828Paying to win is the gayest and cringiest shit imaginable. If you think true duals are strong enough that it irks you if someone brings a proxied one to the table then you don't get to play one just because the one you bought was made 30 years ago instead of 30 days ago.
>>97877919>Paying to win is the gayest and cringiest shit imaginable>While paying to win through counterfeits is somehow not exactly the same, only worse because you're buying fake cards to do it.>Entire game is about buying and collecting cards with the best on your collection, so its cringe to engage with the hobby as its intended.I fully understand you feel called out, and you should, you were, but this is just cope.
>>97877956>so its cringe to engage with the hobby as its intendedSo you only use cards you cracked from packs or traded from players who also cracked theirs from packs right? Because that was the actual intention of the game, if you use the secondary market you're already defying Magic as garf intended. Thanks for admitting you actually have no logical counter argument to being a paytowintard though and have to resort to vague metrics and hyperbolic strawmanning because you can't defend your faggot mindset.
Ban all reserved list cardsBan all game changers (and former game changers)Ban Sol RingBan Esper SentinelBan Mystic RemoraDid I save the format?
>>97878010No
>>97878010Only the first suggestion is good.
>>97878010Is saved supposed to be slang for "killed"?
>>97878010>didn't ban command towershameful.
>>97878010>Ban all reserve listThe timmies fear me.
Help pls i'm genuinely at a loss>>97877642
>>97876733Is there something here or am I tripping?
>>97878094You never need worn powerstone.
>>97876733Still have him since 2016
>>97878113Yes i do since my goal is to cast Sauron on turn 4 as often as possible.
>>97876804nice which Chinese dude made those? they look great for this potato image. still haven't settled on which one I want to order from. btw the biggest giveaway is that mox diamond from the relics was only in foil. I know because I bought it for $70 back in 2010/2011 when scalpers bought all the $35 relic boxes and sold them piecemeal 1 by 1 on eBay. still have mine
>>97876804oh and almost forgot, legendary cube is an MTGO only set (set icon for Rhystic)
>>97878098wow a seething song reprint that puts you DOWN 1 net mana. truly revolutionary! incredible design. thank you GōtC!!!
>>97878010I wholeheartedly disagree based entirely off the image you attached to your post
>>97878098No, that is in fact an infinite combo. Feels a bit clunky, but not terrible I guess.
>>97878150Every extra combat, you need spare (real) mana to activate the initial Seething Song though.
>>97877919It's not about strength. True Duals are pretty much the same as a shock, it's the desperate need to fake the cool old card despite your myriad options. True duals are the gateway drug to proxying entire goodstuff piles because you don't have any provenance for these things.
>>97878126Not him, but Usea has always been good for me. They even got the right faded look for revised cards. I'd say use BLM (since he curates everything), but he hasn't restocked in a while.
>>97878098And how are you paying for the seething song each combat phase?
>>97878175see >>97878164
>>97878181Oh you beat me to it.
>>97878098I think you need something like a Leyline Tyrant to "hold" your mana
>>97878126I just got mine from printingproxies, they had an easter discount They look and feel almost indistinguishable from the real thing
Faking OG duals seems trite to me.If you're playing cEDH, then there's no point since it's a proxy friendly.Shocks, surveils, and even tango (or basics) do like 90% of the job anyway.Obviously you're playing fetches too (You) fucking degenerate.Outside of cEDH, counterfeit duals just add unneeded potential buyfag scrutiny for very little payoff.
>>97878208It's extremely cringe to do it outside of Cedh.
>>97878208Don't care + didn't ask + my lgs allows proxies + paying thousands of dollars for a single piece of cardboard is gay + reserved list is gay + you're gay
>>97878227I didn't say don't buy counterfeits, I just said counterfeit OG duals are dumb.
>>97878208I use chink fakes of stuff (usually the fancy prints of ahocks/fetches, ancient tomb, etc), and I've found you can get by without issue as long as you're not a spaz.>don't proxy anything ludicrously rare (e.g. numbered cards, beta prints, etc)>double sleeve everything>be friendly>if people ask to look, tell them something like "sure dude, just be gentle with it!"My LGS prohibits proxies (WPN store that has been hassled in the past), and I've never once had an issue. I even had a guy who had real deal duals look at one of mine and not spot that it was fake. Basically if I have a card that is over $5, it's a fake.
You shouldn't bother arguing with chang. All he does is hang out and talk about buying proxies from china and how normal and based it is all the time. He's too stupid to buy an ad even if he would, so the best thing to do is not encourage him.
>Swordfag was a reasonable poster againI hate this timeline.
>>97878246I'm all for /ourguys/ BL, Ron, and USea.I've been called out for some shitty ones some years ago, but production is much better in the year of our lord 2020+6.
>>97878247Someday Shovelco will save us.
>>97878227>paying thousands of dollars for a single piece of cardboard is gayBut paying hundreds of dollars for fake cardboard is le based, as long as it goes to glorious china
>>97878277I'll just pay less than 7 cents a card to make my own shitty proxies. Fuck china.
>>97878277Do you want to play the game or be an investor?
>>97878235counterfeit duals are the best ones though because a land card shouldn't cost 1200. or 500. maybe $120 tops for the. best one (underground sea). its no one's fault;t except gōtC that theres going to be tons of real-passing counterfeit duals out there– and thats a good thing
>>97878298>A land shouldn't costYou literally don't ever need a true dual.
>>97878277I mean paying like $25 (shipped) to CHY NA to get literally $5000 worth of game value DOES seem based
>It's another proxy debate episode
I HATE BLUEFAGGOTS
>>97878298>real-passingNone of the big 3 Changs make "great" ones.>muh FWBobvious tell at this pointAlso >>97878303Just play shocks, surveils, and fetches faggo
>>97878308>Validate meeeee! What's I'm doing is so heckin' based tho! VALIDATE MEEE!Its all so tiresome.
>>97878313People try to use fake FWB? Just use Revised and call it a day. You can get away with a lot of shit with them due to the colors being inconsistent (some pale, some fine, some kinda in the middle).
Can you retards just ignore and filter the proxy spammer and talk about the game?It's literally every day with this shit, nobody cares and nobody will change their mind.
>>97878323>You can get away with a lot of shitMaybe in EDH.REL is another story, hence FWB being the standard for connivers.
>>97878332I've played in tournaments with fakes before (sanctioned events with prizes like collector boosters), but nothing on the high levels. There's way too much sweaty autism up there.
>>97878351>I've played in tournaments with fakes before (sanctioned events with prizes like collector boosters)Were they modern era cards?
>>97878303I want a dual because I like the little zooming in lines artwork and I like the names- Bayou, Taiga, Volcanic Island, Savannah [Bond] these are all fun thingsbloodstained mire is stupid. Fetid Heath is stupidGodless shrine and Temple Garden have some good flavor though. Everglades, while useless is very cool
>>97878332exactly. unless you want to convince them you bought a badlands or scrublands for its current price if your English language dual land doesn't look 20 years old that will spoil it right then and there for you
>>97878358You have confused "a need" for "a want."
>>97878358>I want a dual because I [want to LARP as a buyfag]Do you at least look like you're not poor? Like you work salary and not hourly?
>>97878357I use a mix. If there's modern options, I go for them. You actually want to opt for foils unless there's a giant price gap, because foils block the light test. That being said, if you got to the point that you're unsleeving cards you fucked up.>>97878366Aging cards is easy.>use a super high grit sandpaper (1000+) and GENTLY rub the card to wear it down slightly>chip the edges with a tougher grit, focusing on the corners>use finely ground grinds from your morning coffee with a bit of water and rub it on the face of the card, let it sit for a bit, then wipe off (this stains and acid damages the cards a bit)>repeat until aged to your preference
>>97878326There isn't much else to talk about right now.Which, is sad, but if we talk about the new set, these retards are just going to pivot to talk about politics.
>>97878289she cute
OK new topic:Do you like the anime alt cards?
>>97878415Not worth the money. If I pulled one I'd use it, but other than that don't care.
>>97878415Some of them are okayMany of them look worse than the art they're replacingSome of them are so bad they're sub-yugioh levelA lot of them don't reflect the effect of the card very well, such as the one you posted
For me, it's Mr. Krabs
>>97878428That'll be 400 dollarsplus tip
>>97878429I'll buy Chang's for a dollar
>>97878378im a musician so I already dont work and look cool. so yes I either look poor but cool or dont look poor (nike puma north face stuff)and no its not that I want to look like a buy fag I just want to use good cards that I have on MTGO in person that are either too expensive to bring out in public with randoms. like to have a 1:1 deck for what it costs to build in MTGO vs paper if you didnt buy some of these cards 15 years ago (Mox Diamond was $35 brand new with 19 other foil artifacts including sol ring and sword of body & mind) and then scalped for $75 on eBay- nothing close to the beater-car-price of todaysame thing the foreign language duals no one wanted that janky shit in 2008, 09, 10. plus commander was not really that big then at all. I didn't play. it once until the 2010stl;dr im gonna use them because I DO own them and got them when they were cheap
>>97878435I think this was a run on sentence but anyway to build the same deck on MTGO with all the duals in a 3 color pair + mox diamond + chrome mox + lotus petal + whatever other good shit demonic tutor, force of will etc costs less than $100 on MTGO. In person at current prices the deck is like $4000
>>97878415no but they are good for making people seethe when the person who wins the game has 17 treasures and you ask why they won and its this goofy ass anime girl with vampire teeth
>>97878415Yes they look vastly superior to goyslop marvel-fied modern MTG art.
>>97878446then dont use modern cards you tasteless pig
For me, it's Turtles
>>97878482>some guy barfing up coins>rich OHOHOHOHO rich anime girl shaming the poorfag with her wealthThe choice is clear.
>>97878490Porn addiction.
>>97878485Hold up, there's a yellow turtle? Is that some later addition?
>>97878485I'm seeing double here! Five turtles!
>>97878415I want them, but feel like I can print anything if I print a proxy and wouldn't spend the price for this.They should realize how popular Smothering Tithe Anime Woman is and make a Legendary Creature out of her.
>>97878482Or i just use cards with japanese artists
>>97878504They would do this but give the art commission to some genderless cali goblina.
>Now we're going back to identity politicsThey literally can't help their obsessed asses.
>>97878504>Rich Bitch>3W>Human Noble>when Rich Bitch enters the battlefield, create a 1/1 White Butler token >whenever Rich Bitch attacks, create X treasure tokens, with X being the difference between your treasure tokens and the opponent's >Metalcraft Riches - create a 1/1 White Admirer token each time yoy gain a treasure token.
>>97878526I mean it's a huge influence on the direction of the game, makes sense that it comes up
Would you get an official Panty & Stocking secret lair ? What cards could the Demon Sisters be. Honekoneko as a treasure token or maybe Pantie's panties?
>>97878534No.
>>97878534As long as it didn't have hideous western art. The problem I have with secret lair is 99% of them are either useless trash cards or beyond hideous art.
>>97878550They did Miku so dirty
>>97878555She got absolutely fucked with how many of the cards look like Tumblr rejects. A few are really nice though, like Swan Song.
>>97878563cumand tower also not bad. They made the best one snapcaster mage impossible to get...fuckign hate wotc.
>>97878493Jennika, a reformed Foot ninja who was a human ally of the turtles for about 5 years before she got an emergency blood transfusion from Leo that mutated her.
>>97878567Getting blood from the turtles mutates you into one?Wtf they're biohazards and need to die
>>97878586Shut up Shredder.>>97878566Snapcast and Command Tower are JP artists, which is why they look good.
>>97878010You came out to your parents. Congrats!
>>97878534Part of her face being covered by the mana symbol is bugging me since last night, so here have this if you want it.
Speaking of Shredder, what's actually the way to build Super Shredder?Do you just run him with an aristocrats engine or is he primarily a voltron equip commander?I've heard people mention him as a voltron guy but idk how great he really is for that.
>>97878601godspeed anon.
>>97878602He's aristocrats all the way. Given that he gets juiced from ANYTHING leaving the game, fetches and landfall makes him to barshit crazy. My favorite interaction is how a player dying is counted as leaving the battlefield, so Shredder gets a giant boost if someone loses.
>>97878618But what does he actually accomplish in aristocrats?He's just a big menace vanilla creature that gets chump blocked pretty easily.I feel like in voltron he's missing enough procs and in aristocrats he doesn't really do anything besides getting big.
>>97878625You give him a pair of nice shoes and send him on his merry way.
>>97878531I was thinking>Ikihime, Rich Bitch>3W>Legendary Creature - Human Noble>Ward - Gift a treasure to this card's owner>When an opponent draws a card outside of the draw phase, you creature a Treasure token.>Treasures you control have exalted.
>>97878644>Displaying Wealth - you and target opponent reveal your hands. You gain X treasure tokens, where X is the difference in foil cards between your and your opponent's hands
>>97878602Hey, baby.
Settle an argument. Can frontline medic only counter spells explicitly with "X in it value, or can it counter any spell. Because everyone saying it can be any value and the person using the spell has to pay three, but I looked it up and the ruling I found says it explicitly has to have an "X" in its cost.
>>97878534Speaking of smut proxies, which commander fits her best?
>>97876733>TQThis guy. Me and my friends picked up the precons at walmart and played with them, unsleeved and unedited, as God intended.I don't know where that deck is now, but all the cards are beat to shit.
>>97878670Something in boros because it is the sluttiest color
>>97878669The card literally fucking says "with X in its mana cost" how are Magic players this fucking stupid
>>97878669>but I looked it up and the ruling I found says it explicitly has to have an "X" in its cost.Why are you asking us then? The ruling is the ruling.
>>97878669I almost had an aneurysm trying to understand how someone could get confused by this card.But use the phrasing in mana tithe for reference. It's saying for the X cost spell to resolve, you need to pay an additional 3 to whatever you paid for X. "X cost" in this case is just specifying the type of spell, similar to saying "Counter non creature spell."NOT that you can't counter a spell when X=3.
>>97878711>>97878715The player arguing that it can counter anything, even if it doesn't explicitly state "X" has been playing magic for like 15 years and we're all relatively new, but we're starting to notice that he'll argue against anything thats particularly inconvenient for him.He played a shitty phase-out deck 3 weeks ago, but when someone else played it he had a fit and started claiming they were phased out only until someone elses upkeep not your own upkeep, despite claiming the opposite when he was playing phase out.He gotten progressively more argumentative as people are starting to get better, and had a fit about a board wipe tonight, and got into a big argument about his frontline medic being able to counter anything, not just needing an "X" in its cost.
>>97878736Well, he's a retard and knows he's a retard and likely is just trying to bully you because he wants to win that bad. The card is very clear. "counter any spell with "X" in its mana cost unless the play the troll toll."
>>97878670Witchblade got a cartoon? Neat. I think about that haunted vagina panel sometimes.
>>97878749>Witchblade got a cartoon?Like in 2007 or some shit
>>97878711the card says nothing about counters and you must have Aspergers because that was clearly a joke post. the card says you can't get counters and the joke is that the white player said the blue player couldn't play counters[pells] anymoreyou may very well be what is referred to as a "mental midget"
>>97878755says nothing about X mana values- not counters in the first instance of counters*
i have an addiction to making decks based around modular. i love artifacts and i love +1/+1 counters. arcbound worker is one of my favourite cards. i will not stop making these decks. my goal is to have a modular deck for every colour combo out there.
Does the effect stay active if he leaves the battlefield? If you replay and re-transform him, do you choose a new opponent?
>>97878779>Does the effect stay active if he leaves the battlefield? INo. You'd need some kind of counter on him or a creature giving the effect, or an emblem on them to cause the effect to persist without it on the board.
>>97876804>Mox Diamond isn’t foil. Peasant
>>97878504>They should realize how popular Smothering Tithe Anime Woman is and make a Legendary Creature out of herThey should realize waifu building is extremely popular and to stop making sets full of shitty legendaries with shitty art featuring ugly shitty characters. There's a reason why Yshtola rocketed up to the top 10. Even when waifus are built to helm objectively bad decks they can still become popular, like how Giada is still the most popular white commander and in the top 20 despite angels being an extremely shit tribe carried by cute girl art.They're leaving literal billions on the table by not having their UW sets look like a gacha game. If they had an anime-style Best Of Magic's Girls set with Teysa and Thalia and Avacyn and Freyalise and Nissa and Chandra etc etc etc it'd be one of the best selling UW sets of all time even if the cards sucked.
>>97878779When transformed cards are not on the battlefield, they are always the front side.Additionally, cards with abilities like this only apply while they're in the field, and if they change zones, then their previous states no longer apply.In other words, if he's face up, that win con doesn't apply, and you can choose different opponents when he transforms again, but not multiple opponents.
>>97878797AGP post
>>97878797Truth.>>97878810Triggered falseflagging tranny.
>>97878818>>97878797Painfully obvious samefag.
>>97876958I think Keeper would actually be a perfect addition to the deck. I'd give you mine if I could.
>>97878797Giada is better than I think you're giving credit, but I don't disagree with your analysis. Almost all of my decks have been based first on how cool I've found the commander and their art to be, and then whether their effect is fun to play. The only thing that has kept me from building Shorikai, Genesis Engine is that in spite of being a cool origami mech, I can't figure out yet how to make a pilots matter line on it because otherwise he's just a literal value engine in WU.I've built Balan, Y'shtola and Neerdiv for this reason combined with waifu vibes; I'm building Vihaan because of sick art and a cool concept. Go-Shintai of Life's origin is just okay, it's an exception that I built entirely on the mechanical interest, making him much like my Mutate deck with Xavier Sal at the helm.Put differently, a not insignificant part of Commander night is the fucking business card scene from American Psycho; people want to show and tell as much as they want to play.
>>97878828Calm down discord tranny.
>>97878531good card although I think it would have to be 3RW. the generating treasure on. attacking is Ragavan the Monke or Dockside type style thingalso with one more mana it could give the white admirer tokens haste
>>97878797I can't even say this guy is wrong because I built Azula on the sole fact I want to have sex with her.
>>97878793which like I said said earlier is one of the dead giveaways of it being a Chinese "reprint service" since that art was only in foil from the $35 From the Vault: Relics box in 2010that and the set icon for Rhystic Study is from an MTGO-only setduals look good though
>>97878818AGP samefag.
>>97878840>FF14 player calling anyone else a discord trannylmao
>>97878797ok but youre missing the core point that gōtC is ran by troon groomers who seethe at images of real women shown in a feminine and attractive stylethey cant even give Tifa cleavage (which may be a product of 2020 now-fired square enix DEI troons)the Gavin faggot does drag and the other lead of the "commander committee" is a man who thinks hes a woman and all the women in strixhaven are ugly dykes- this is their vision of what women are: men and ugly dykesthat and also anime is cancer
>>97878534God I wanna fuck Panty.
>>97878797Sex doesn't sell.
>>97878849I wanted to build Azula solely because of my weenus but I just don't like grixis or spellcasting. The fact I still am tinkering with her shows the power of waifu baiting. My next deck is Italian Tifa even though I'm basically ignoring the melee gimmick because I don't like it.
>>97878908I just built Azula with pump spells, it's fun but needed Kediss to actually function the way I made it. Don't care though she's hot either way.
Why do insects suck?
What is the worst color in commander and why is it Red?
>>97878941They don't, you are just a BUZZ kill.
>>97878952>you are just a BUZZ kill.
Which way western man
>>97878946Sometimes i wonder if it's mono-white, it's just so hard to get card advantage.
>>97878959Go North
>>97878959Are we just normalizing slop here now?
>>97878967yes
>>97878534Panty isn't blue at all. Did this custom card for her.
>>97878959Milked by Gitrog and Morcant
>>97878967>now
>>97877194I play EDH pretty casually, it's my after-work way to wind down, but I still try to build my decks with enough actions to stand a change (I'd say most of my decks are B3). I fucking hate guys like this; got into a cube with two other guys who said they both had casual decks, and then proceeded to pull out high B4 or even B5 decks. I scooped on turn 4 because it stopped being enjoyable
>>97878967After swordfag started posting good slop, yes. Ai art is pretty good when it's mildly tempered by patience and attention. Not perfect, but you can find flaws in most digital art just as easily.
>>97879010>After swordfag started posting good slopPut your trip back on, you're far to obvious.
>>97878972based
>>97879010Praising tripfags is cringe and you should kill yourself
>>97876733I found pic related at a LGS. I know there is a Cyclonic Rift inside, so I bought the deck. Immediately played it out of the box and got my ass beat (it's 12 years old alright).While playing and untapping my sol ring with the -1 ability, I noticed how Teferi combos with the Chainveil and Lithoform Engine. I checked online and apparently that is a boomer cedh deck I didn't know existed. What should I do? Upgrade the existing precon with a few cards? Tear it apart and build a Teferi deck from scratch? Other ideas?
>>97878959That Sisay has spunk and I'd like to give her some more.
>>97879026I will continue to praise him as long as he posts ENF!>>97879015That's an awfully big L you're holding
>>97879041Far far too obvious.
>>97879058>I'll just double down on being a tardGo on, say the line again! Good Ai art might be hard to come by but it kicks ass when it does. Next time he's here, I'm going to ask for moar!
>>97879030It's genuinely all kind of shit.
As long as you keep giving them attention they'll keep acting out. Just respond to people who are actually talking about the game and all that they'll have left is their autistic circle jerk where they pretend to be having a conversation and suck each other's dicks.Don't engage with chinese proxy sellers, the anti-woke crusaders, the AI sloppers, the performative klansmen, etc. Just talk about the game and talk to people talking about the game.
I remember some anon in this general saying the sneak cards were going to see legacy play. How's that going?
>>97879067You never posted any. It wasn't well done. And slop is slop.Trip back on, etc etc. Obvious retard is obvious.
>>97879083>TaLkInG aBoUt tHe GaMe mAkEs Me tHe gOoD gUyCould you change the channel swordbitch?
>>97877135I've done it. Hell its common to do in the 93/94 community.
>>97879084Which one(s) specifically?
>>97877135As someone who owns a true dual and several cards from beta, never once has someone accused me of using fakes. Even if they did, I don't mind having the store owner or whoever is on hand with the jeweller lens or whatever verify them. Just makes me look even cooler for having them.
>>97879115>I don't mind having the store owner or whoever is on hand with the jeweller lens or whatever verify them.That's weird. You'd be very much in the right to tell them to fuck off.
>>97879083holy based
This is an excellent example. Don't be drawn into tripfag drama. Nobody gives a shit about tripfags. They're either using tripcodes correctly or they're retards; the former doesn't need corrected and the latter cannot be corrected.On that note. I'm still trying to decide where I should focus my Vihaan deck that I mentioned earlier. I can see it kinda three ways, either just treasure matters, assassin tribal or outlaw tribal. I was considering making him theft because I really like Jasper Flint from playing Brawl on MTGA, but everyone and their mother plays theft; I think it'd be cooler to lean another way. There's a lot of cool artifact creature support coming out too that can make the assassin-treasures really nice, but I'd like to hear what other people think.I'm not going to use Revel in Riches mind; it's a boring wincon and I'd rather take it in a more entertaining direction.
All alt win con cards should be bracket 4
>>97879110
>>97879127I say make it Treasure Matters you can sac one treasures while it's a creature with Jan Jansen to make two treasures and then use pic related to make another.
>>97879120Maybe but there's an inherent flex to someone being proven dead wrong in front of a group. Shame people out of bad behavior and never let them forget. Not in a vitriolic way, but tease them about it.>I'm going to play Demonic Tutor>hey, Steve, wanna get Roger to check this one, too? No? You sure? What if it's fAaAaAaAaAaAake????
>>97879084>>97879151I think Skateboard has seen some play but I don't pay attention to other formats really
>>97879175Yeah as far as I can tell, Skateboard is a solid-1-of in a few different Urza's Saga decks. The only TMNT card that seems to be seeing any play is Super Shredder in nice black aggro decks.I wish I knew which +1/+1 counter devil he was referring to (either pic related or Madam Null) because both seem absolutely unplayable in legacy to me.
>>97879207*in niche
>>97879175Cool but rude is a 4 of in rakdos discard standard.
>>97879151>busted legend can't even make the top 1000It's actually impressive how little an impact Turtles had on any format. Up to release everyone was (rightly) calling out how awful a TMNT set was to shove into Magic but it came and went with basically zero influence on any part of the game. Even Spider Man still gets talked about for being a boring flop with 40 different Spider Mans.
>>97879207I haven't payed any attention at all to this set. Is this an attempt to fix the one ring?
>>97879223You're late, Toskifag
I don't play arena. If you run turtles cards and lose does the game say Cowabummer?
>>97879228>>97879237uh oh looks like a few people don't play duel commander
>>97879237Sadly not.
>>97879212Sure but we're talking legacy. I think the crocodile dude sees standard play too. TMNT is a stronger set than say Spiderman, but not by that much.
>>97879241The few people I knew who did play duel commander switched to playing Canadian highlander a few years back fwiw. I don't know anyone personally who does duel commander anymore.
>>97879241Whats the usual grab for this card anyway? Ulamog? Worldspine Wurm? Balefire Dragon?
>>97879252use any big creature that affects the board because your deck is just going to ramp into the commander every single time
>>97879228I'm guessing the lasting impact on commander will almost entirely be from The Ooze, Irma, and maybe Endless Foot Assault.
Thinking of putting a Shantotto deck together, so I made a proxy for her
I miss swördgöd and his cool ai stuff..
>>97877194I reckon you should consider running this bucko
>>97877194brackets are formats and good on you for following the rules that can practically be followed with randos (combo turn limits and GCs), keep going king>always remember that the people you're stomping are more afraid of farewell, punish their bad card evaluation skills
>>97879248Duel commander has to be the faggiest version of commander ever createdSome French homo said>I’ll just make a format where all the cards I don’t like are banned>no mana drain>no sensei’s top>no modern moxAnd to cap it off, the biggest way you know it’s a faggy design>sol ring is bannedContrast it with Canadian Highlander that uses a far superior points system, original mox and Lotus are legal, Sol ring is the same value as Mox Ruby to appease the crybabiesShows that commander overall would be improved if brackets were changed to points allotments B1-0 points (exhibition and pre-cons)B2-5 points (precons and upgraded, every 3 land tutors counts as a point)B3- 10 pointsB4- no restrictions except ban listcEDH - no restrictions and no taste
Does this bitch evade commander tax cuz it's an alternate casting cost?
>>97879549no
>>97879548Sol Ring ban is great, one less "must have" cards making the format 99 cards instead of 100.All that other shit is turbifag tho
>>97879549I think you still have to pay the {2} each extra time with the alternate costWhen I pic related and cast my zombo commander, first time is free, 2nd time is {2}, 3rd time is {4}At least that’s how it is on Modo which is a rules engine (although it has thousands of bugs)
>>97879548If you wanted Commander to be functional in any capacity you would need something far more extensive than CanLander which is pretty much only targeted at Vintage-level play. We're talking Genesys-level card evaluation which WotC will never do because they know they could functionally reprint Black Lotus tomorrow and people will just accept it as a staple.
>>97879549No because commander tax is added after the alternate cost (same as all other added costs).Yuriko and Derevi bypass this by not being cast.Whatever the angel is bypasses it by stating it's explicitly a replacement for commander tax.
>>97879273>4/4Yeah I fucking wish lol
>>97879567Opposition to Sol Ring is the first sign that you should consider transitioning
>>97879575>WotC will never do because they know they could functionally reprint Black Lotus tomorrow and people will just accept it as a stapleYeah that's why nobody ever whined about jeweled lotus
Free JLo
>>97879611People still bitch about Sol Ring and the response 80% of the time is "cope lmao". It was the same for JLo after its first year until it got banned.
>>97879624Reprint it with exile instead of sac and I'd agree completely. It's too easy to bring back artifacts
>>97879650I’ve only heard of discord troons on the official MTG channel claiming it should be banned. Most non homos and people born before 9/11 recognize it’s a fair card for everyone to haveThe only decks that don’t benefit from it are mono green since they get all the land ramp anyway which is a further proof that it should stay legal because gōtc already doing all they can to try and Nerf all other colors other than green.
>>97879652Yeah I’d think it should have been designed with exile. But bringing it back later with doubling cube can make some extra cool shit (which is the only reason it ever rarely sees play in vintage)
>>97879701Just because you didn't post a frog doesn't make your post any less obvious bait. Don't reply to me again, peon.
Does anyone have any experience Surveyor’s Scope in red blue or black at higher brackets? Seems like the best land ramp possible outside of green or white Land Tax effects but also seems to be highly variable needing people to have +2 lands than youI don’t really have ways to abuse this as only fetch I have in this deck is Polluted Delta. Also seems dependent on turn order. But realistically would playing this on turn 2, 3 or 4 often yield results? This seems like a somewhat obscure card.
>>97879736Woah seething tranny alert!!!
Sol Ring is a mana rock that is mana positive the turn you play it and gives you an extra 2 mana each turn... it's an automatic inclusion in 100% of decks that aim to win and gives the players that draw it a huge advantage over others that don't It's the literal definition of a banworthy card and no amount of retardation or trolling will ever change that
>>978797572 more lands is a hard thing to come across. You'd basically have to handicap yourself for 2 turns by not playing any lands to even achieve it. Not every deck with green is ramping out lands that hard in the first place
>>97879757I would only really give this card a try if you know your pod has multiple ramping green players, otherwise it's kindof a dead card 99% of the time because you have to be actively missing land drops to get "value" out of it
>>97879760Man imagine not letting timmy beat the pod every now and then via sol ring in a casual format, sheldon was wiser than (You)
>>97877194you are the clown. like your playmat already tells
>>97879760Sol Ring is fair and balanced. Everyone gets one. Playing shit like this every turn is far more damaging than the low chance of drawing sol ring. You can tutor for your copy or just have a good deck and good cards. There is no sound argument against sol ring. It’s arguably as strong as chrome mox which everyone should also have.
I made some jank-ass deck that involved using a lot of fight spells on her, or pumping for a OTK with double-strike. It was dogshit, but it was fucking fun. Now I play a B4 Dino sloppa deck because everyone started that arms race bullshit that happens in every pod.I genuinely enjoy my shitty Ixalan-themed Vampire deck more - and it's only won like 3 games.
>>97879856What’s the Dino sloppa? Cheating out infected Etali?
How about this goofy ah card. How to keep this a mana positive ramp? The only ways that immediately come to mind are either wasting a Stifle type spell when he dies, or wasting Imprisoned on the Moon on him (which would also give me a land but it’s more useful for locking up pesky commanders)
Time Vault is fair and balanced. Everyone gets one. Playing shit like this every turn is far more damaging than the low chance of drawing time vault. You can tutor for your copy or just have a good deck and good cards.There is no sound argument against time vault. It’s arguably as strong as black lotus which everyone should also have.
>>97879904Pantlaza Discover into generic Stompy shit. I don't want to even get that Etali. I loathe infinites and all that stuff, even if I run a sloooow one in my deck. Not my first choice, but again, when everyone has a Cyc Rift and a Teferi's, I gotta be a dick too.
>>97879918Another tranny mad that they’re called out for calling for more unbalanced, format-destroying changes that solely benefit green. Green-troons need to be barred from playing Magic ever again. Sol Ring is fair and balanced. It’s a format defining card. I know it’s hard for someone who thinks men can be women to understand reality but consider the fact that Sol Ring has never once been banned since the first EDH game was played in 1996 as proof that perhaps you are a mental retard. Hope this helps.
Another tranny mad that they’re called out for calling for more unbalanced, format-destroying changes that solely benefit red.Red-troons need to be barred from playing Magic ever again. Time Vault is fair and balanced. It’s a format defining card.I know it’s hard for someone who thinks men can be women to understand reality but consider the fact that Time Vault has never once been banned since the first Vintage game was played in 1996 as proof that perhaps you are a mental retard.Hope this helps.
>>97879925Seems good. I was thinking of making a Dino one with Gishath which is the same colors but having Etali in the 99. What are your to other Dino’s in the deck? I wanted to add that velociraptor from the JP SLD is I can find one for cheap
>>97879933Good thing we’re talking about commander and not vintage you absolute homo. You lose, do not pass go
Good thing we’re talking about vintage and not commander you absolute homo. You lose, do not pass go
Why did they draw the monkies fuckin thoAnd why does the flavor text also mention itAnd why is the artist's name 'Fricker'
>>97879951
>>97878972would buy
If a card is considered essential it should probably be banned. Just a friendly reminder.
>>97879953it was 1996 and they wanted to be inclusive of other cultures. She's a British artist but its a Swiss name
>>97879967>wait no not like that!!!
>>97879944You're better off running Pants and putting Gish in the deck. Pantlaza is expensive enough and both of them are KOS commanders. Current deck looks like this: https://moxfield.com/decks/AII-0dD1gkan4n4XmYIg7QI just updated the dinos and some of the key pieces. I can't be assed to make it 1:1 right now. Basically just Dino Stompy with some staples from all the colors.
How do people feel about running meld cards as unofficial partner commanders?
I have been looking for a mono black commander I like for days now, but I just cant find one that interests me. mono black commanders are either extremely lame and nasty (like all the discard ones, I like the guys in my playgroup so I dont want to play sth. like that), or they are some boring zombie tribal.So I thought about just adding another color. Any experience with Rakdos, Lord of Riots? I see he is in the top 200 most played commanders, so Im scared he is too strong. but I just wanna play B/R good stuff and big creatures that I can cheat it
>>97876733>TQThis guy is so old and mold now I'm not even certain he'd do anything if I threw the maximum possible budget and effort into his gameplan. Spore counters are so goddamn slow.
>>97879757Only good in mono white where you are alright going down one or two lands to catch up ramp with cards like Lotus Field and Blossom, Arid archway and guildless commons.
>>97877374Martyr's cause is soooo underrated. Any deck that can deploy tokens should run it. Plus the art goes hard and it has tummy yum>>97877246Picrel is a bit situational, I run it in Farid so I can discard it if it's not useful, but in the right board state it can slow aggro while I assemble my engines and switch to the buff Farid plan
>>97878010>ban all reserved list cardsI never understood this argument
>>97877374It also saves you from burn spells too. Like a huge Crackle with Power and Aetherflux Reservoir.
>>97879998No, because of Argoth and The Mightstone and Weakstone.
TQ: I think the very first commander I made a deck around was a mono red dragon of some sort and it was all red dragons. but I know I got into Grixis colors because of this bad boyso brutal to actually get into play but pretty salt inducing when he did. Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker was an essential card in the 99 for awhile as well but now I don't run it just because of the mana cost. but its pretty much game ending if it resolves.
>>97879994looks like a good deck, thanks for sharing especially on the Dino list. I've got all kinds of random ones because I did some Swiss drafts during the original Ixalan but didn't really keep up with what all is out there in regards to Dinosaurs.
>>97879989Are you mentally ill enough to consider this "essential"?
>>97880004Nothing you said makes any sense.>want to play mono black, choose rakdos because apparently you don't play mono black against people like you like>scared that a commander is strong>top edhdecks = most playedyou are too new in this game to understand how to even begin to start building the demonlord. instead go pick a 2 color commander with green and start learning from there.
>>97880004maybe just Sephiroth, Fabled SOLDIER// One Winged Angel. get a bunch of cheap mana cost black creatures to fuel him, or something that generates some sort of tokens (yeah maybe zombies but could also be Bitterblossom for faeries, or Ophiomancer) Pairs well with Phyrxian Alter as well, dont forget the Dark Ritual and Black Market Connections or Jet Medallion. Sheoldred, the Apocalypse I've been thinking of adding into my 99 of a red blue and black deck where black is the 2nd most prevalent color just because the value of draining everyone's life. looks like its usually around $90-$100 though in paper. Maha, Its Feathers Night seems interesting if you can find enough spells to damage the creatures, which in black would typically be with -1/-1 counters and effects. Stuff like Massacre and Geth's Verdict and Night of Soul's Betrayal (this is also a good wipe for 1/1 token armies). Everything they put into play will die automatically. If thats too salty for them they need to get a grip because thats just some pre-con level of synergy right there. If your buddies have lots of tribal stuff, cards like Engineered Plague could be absolutely brutal, seems like it would be really fun to try building around. I might even think about picking up Maha because now this sounds like an interesting thing to mess with.
>>97880311Sephiroth is kino, seconding this.>Pairs well with Phyrxian Alter as wellCareful with this, it can easily push the deck into bracket 4.If you have Forsaken Miner in the deck (you should) then you effectively have a 2-card infinite that wins on turn 4 consistently, i've had to take out the altar from my Sephiroth deck because it was far too strong for bracket 3.
>>97880276I dont know why you cant follow my train of thoughts. did I hurt you?>>97880311Sephiroth looks cool. dont really like sheoldred. I was also thinking about Lorcan, Warlock Collector, but thats another thing about mono B commanders. the ones with real cool effects cost 7 or more mono>>97880319yea Im not playing combo decks where you can get infinite mana or just drain your opponents
>>97880337yeah expensive black commanders just make sure you have stuff like Dark Ritual, Cabal Ritual. again using the black sacrifice engine but not going infinite (dont use it to go infinite if you don't want) you can use Phyrexian Altar as previously said or Culling the Weak (which its an instant if you look It up it might say the card is a mana source its just an instant). the classic spell Sacrifice is good as well for paying costs and like I said things like Jet Medallion, of course Sol Ring and Arcane Signet are a givenin mono black the most obvious auto include is Urborg Tomb of Yawgmoth + Cabal Coffers. Theres also Cabal Stronghold.
