The debate seethes editionPrevious Heresy: >>97862701>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>Titanicus Compendiumshttps://gofile.io/d/qdYzem>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Legions Imperialis Army Builderhttps://legionbuilder.app/>Thread Question:Did the legion astartes actually consider terminator armor use a badge of honor or was it just a tool at best and a suicide assignment at worst?
>>97879068Am I the only one who think the Iron Warriors are kinda Russian? I mean, the focus on artillery, the stubborn mind set, and the fact that they don’t care about casualties much and keep on fighting, feel strangely Russian
>>97879068There was a debate?
>>97879138Night lords are russians as they are all criminals who likes to kill and torture each other for fun. They inflict needless suffering on themselves just as much as they inflict it on others.
>>97879186Nah. They are Israelites
>>97879138I'd say they're more WWI British but it's kind of a stretch.>>97879186Seethe>>97879192>Foreskin harvesters
>>97879192Nah jews do not have NL aura at all. They fit WB better especially the talmud super pizza jews.
>TQI am pretty sure terminator armor made you functionally invulnerable to 99% of the "threats" the legiones astartes would face throughout the great crusade. I hate to do it but i'll quote BLslop here, 63rd took the whisperheads without a single casualty because Termies could ignore heavy gun emplacements like they could ignore a gale wind.I believe those assigned terminator armor in the late Crusade era were probably tremendously honored.
>>97879192Yods are genestealers, some other anon post the adl kvetching about the similarities
>>97879503That’s…actually fit. The kites are correct for once. Even they know who they are huh
As someone with a large pile of shame, my only suggestion if the damage has already been done is to get organized.If it hasn't, consider what you actually need to buy as opposed to what you want to buy.
>>97879557damn...
>>97879068>TQJust a tool, being part of legion specific troops is what is (usually) considered an honor.
>>97879557Good lord
From last night’s game
>>97879693Did u win, son?
>>97879693You the DG or the (shamefully) unpainted Mechanicum?
>>97879068>TQDepends on Legion culture. For Sons of Horus it was the greatest honor because Justaerians were the tip of the spear in every major engagement. In World Eaters, Angron had zero respect for them and used them as cannon fodder. In Raven Guard, Corax used them as a political tool to appease his Terran veterans with the honor of being Terminator elite but he also barely used them, because he disliked them.
>>97879707>>97879751Just spectating, ended in a draw after seven hours. Think it was around 3.500 points.
>>97879557I kneel .
https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/legio-custodes-custodian-guard-sodality-2026https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/legio-custodes-sentinel-guard-sodality-2026Noticed something interesting, there is not a single picture of the custodes with the female heads nor any mention of female custodes.If you just looked at the units on the webstore you would think they were still all male.https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/legio-custodes-shield-captain-2026Even with the shield captain, who only has a female head, they decided to put the helmeted head in the preview image on the webstore, and nowhere in the product description does it mention it being a female model.Has to be intentional lol
>>97879557What army, chief?
>>97879935Having the CG model on the box might have worked for other factions, but for Custodes it makes them look like something out of Reboot or Beast Wars.
>>97879935Trying to hide their perfidy.
>>97879138You're definitely not the first to make the connection, but I agree with >>97879186 , the Night Lords are a better fit. Russians are not about ruthless efficiency, they sacrifice efficiency for the sake of cruelty and control. Russians aren't ignoring civilian collateral damage, they actively seek it out to send a message that fighting back isn't worth it. That's not IW, that's NL.
>>97879983NL's definitely use rape as a corrective technique.
>>97879935they are backtracking look at the custodes youtube video dislike rate
>>97879956All of them.
>>97879557mentall illness
>>97880052> Such a GWhore he bought TWO skaventideYikes
>>97880052for what purpose? you must be a bachelor
>>97880052You got a problem dude, what the hell.
>>97880052Nta but that's a bunch of plastic, not an army.
>>97879557>>97880052Okay cool but this could have gone in any other GW thread, HH is slow enough without this distracting attention whoring.
>>97880073yes it's like a woman with lots of cats
>>97880052I am 88% sure this is a /40kg/ regular.
>>97880088It did make me feel better about my own pile of shame, it's basically non-existent in comparison lmao
did anyone buy the new 40k iron warriors plastic upgrades? I'm curious how the size of the heads compare to the nu-marks
>>97880134the other CSM heads have been regular size not small
>>97880088You are not the thread police, go fuck yourself faggot
>>97880143He's right tho
>>97880134Perfect heads for a Cyborg George Floyd
>>97880134>make up yet another new elbow pad design>both arms in the kid are same handed, so you can't even make a character with them have the same elbow pad on both armsTo me the biggest fiasco in the HH revamp has been the arms. Not only did arms on different marks get made more generic across the board, but any upgrade arm is of yet another generic design.
>>97880134If they're the same as CSM, a bit bigger than the current HH heads, and about the same size as the older ones
>>97880178All the wrists also have these weird, uncomfortable looking angles to them, anybody else notice this? I'm using the disintegrator rifles on old marines so I just cut them off, but it's such a weird change from all the old weapons.
>>97879138Iron Warriors are efficient, reliant and they get the job done. It's complete opposite to Russians.>>97879186Thematically Night Lords and Curze are more like the original vampire - Vlad Tepes, Vlad the Impaler. So that makes them Romanian. Control through cruelty etc.It's pretty cool that they are often fighting against Blood Angels, who represent the more modern version of vampires - beautiful but hiding a dark secret.
>>97879935Same with the Venatari unless the bald niggas are actually women
>>97879935Also can't spot any of the boob-plate being used. With the time between development and release date, it might very well be possible these were made long before the femstodes backlash.
Wish they'd make an SA Land Raider the same way they made an SA Rhino with the Aurox. Just a very riveted LR design with boxy sponsons and all that.
>>97880052sell me some of dem age of darkness boxes
>>97880264Out of all those kits the Venatari seem to have no female heads.The choices they made have been strange, with the shield captain only having a female bare head.
>>97879138Iron Warriors actually capture stuff tho, they don't just feed themselves into meat grinders trying to capture open fields while constantly losing ground in towns and cities
>>97880143oi m8 u gotta loicense for all them gray plastic?
>>97880341Same but with the macharius variants, having 30k-era versions aesthetically taking cues from the aurox and carnodon would be great. I'd love a 30k praetor(pun intended).
>>97880438There is the prototype for the MkIII Phobos.
>>97880447Only photo I've found of it with sponsons.
Haven't been back here for months.Was it always this dead?
>>97880341I mean... the aurox and rhino aren't even the same shape, they just fill the same role at about the same size, so for the modern (light) Transport slots the Aurox makes sensebut there's already a heavy transport, the Dracosan, with double the transcap of a LR and a big fuckin gun on the front and a flare shield for well under the cost of a LR, so there's no real niche for a LR-equivalent, and the Aurox is already a worse version of the Rhino on all counts (other than Rapid, which is fairly inexplicable)plus visual distinctiveness matters, otherwise you're 40k custodes bringing "venerable" SM tanks because nobody playing the churn game is going to invest in a $400 brick of resin with rules from a pdf, even if the pdf is on the GW site and says it's all officialbut what do you base the "SALR" on if not the LR? the Russ is too small to reasonably upscale, the Dracosan already exists, the Chimera doesn't exist yet (even the basilisk is based on a Russ chassis)personally I think it'd be funny if 40k versions of things the Adeptus Astartes use exclusively were 30k Army equipment repurposed, but I pitched shark assault boat/SW woflcopter a month ago and you guys bitched so there's clearly no appetite for that, which rules out the even funnier 30k Army LR becoming 40k venereal custard LR
>>97880466/hhg/ has always been a slower, more comfy thread. There's only a lot of posts when tourists, retards, or trolls are posting stupid shit.
>>97880468Dracosan isn't an assault vehicle, the land raider is.
>>97879138>>97879983I love how in some of the audiobooks the readers always give the NLs semi russian sounding accents, thats how I think of them now.>>97879557>>97880052Are you me? I got a similar stack right now, and back around 15ish years ago, me and my dad were HUGE whales for Forge World and semi huge for GW. FW had us on a first name VIP basis at games day. Ive been spening the last 3+ months getting ALL of ours old FW/GW shit out of our old dilapidated and collapsing house where its just been sitting and rotting in piles of garbage and rat shit/piss. Ive probably made like 30k+ on selling just old FW shit the last few months while reinvesting it into newer FW/GW shit and recasts. I pulled 3 warhounds, a reaver and 3 arkurian baneblades out of a trash pile. Its sad but also really fun as we have/had so much shit I didnt even remember getting a lot of it.
>>97880397are the AoD boxes rare nowadays? I used to always see them at my LGS>>97880052why did you buy all this crap? do you have at least multiple armies painted to show that you can actually manage painting and storing this many figs? Are you reselling them or running a store or something?
How does painting beakies compare to mk3? I like the black trim IF have but painting it on the mk3 was horrible.
>>97880468>there's no real nicheWhat's the niche for a 3rd Whirlwind or 15th dreadnought variant?>the aurox and rhino aren't even the same shape, they just fill the same role at about the same sizeWith rear ramp and side doors. Even in the fluff it's said to lift its design from the Rhino to fill a similar role.>but there's already a heavy transport, the DracosanBut there's no assault transports.>visual distinctiveness Fuck James and fuck Paul Marketing. I'm tired of this "no sharing between armies" bullshit. Rhinos, Predators, Land Raiders, etc. existed before Marines were a thing. We know they were used by non-Marines. So, they make an army of dudes who are second only to Space Marines, but they're only allowed to have stuff lowly PDF get? As smart as making an army that's all about void combat and boarding action, but you give them long rifles they can't use well on the move and only an armed cargo hauler, rather than even simple dreadclaws that we know were used by the Imperial Navy.>otherwise you're 40k custodes bringing "venerable" SM tanks Yeah, God forbid Custodes used something other than complete ass pulls for a change...>Chimera doesn't exist yetLegion Basilisk use the chassis and we had other Chimera hull vehicles as well as Chimeras in HH before someone decided to make rules for the setting.
>>97880520MkVI is very easy, particularly with an airbrush. The only awkward bits are the "straps" and cables on the torso, and the armour joints
>>97880529>Anti-heavy infantry whirlwind>Anti-air missiles whirlwind>Anti-light infantry hordes whirlwind
>>97880562Aka. "a whirlwind".
>>97880595>2.0
>>97880613>3.0 cannot have multiple missile types in a launcher, you must buy separate vehicles for each munitions typeThis edition just keeps getting shittier.
>>97880617There's no way a tank can store enough missiles for three different roles to last an entire engagement, when it already has to reload several times when using one single type of ammunition. Never mind crew having to get out of the tank, take out one type of missile, load in a different type of missile to switch between munition types. Not to mention there being such a thing as not all missiles being compatible with every launcher type. HH is suppose to be more realistic, not gamey 40k bullshit where all weapons magically have every possible type of ammunition in abundance between which they can swap around at will in less than a second.It's another example of 2.0 being an absolute joke of an edition.
my lernaens currently have thunder hammers (3 squads of 5)however i'm 45pts over 3kshould I downgrade 2 squads of them to single lightning claws (sergeant still has a hammer and a TH cataphractii herald is attached to both squads) and drop a 5pt upgrade elsewhere?or should I take 2 nucio-voxes off of my 2 5 man seeker squads, 2 pintle mounted multi-lasers on allied russes, and a 5pt upgrade elsewhere?i'm thinking the latter, but lernaens armed with a lightning claw will look fucking baller
sunday funday!
>>97880651I'd do the latter. Nuncio vox on a 5 man unit with tactical marine defensive stats is a complete and utter waste lmao, they're gonna be dead before any status effect can be applied.
Not highlighted the eyes or the guns yet, but fairly happy with how this squad is coming out so far
>>97880651>>97880661do the claws and swap the voxes for augury scanners if there's anything local that likes to use Shroudedotherwise drop them too and spend the points on something nice for yourself, as a treat
>>97880617you want to go back to RT and 2E and have 5+ kinds of missile in every missile launcher?>>97880480that's not really relevant given you can still charge out of it and the SA aren't supposed to be elite assault troops
>>97880529>Legion Basiliskthe kit they haven't sold for five years? the thing that's been Legacies for two editionsperhaps you'd like special rules for your Brother Bethor model again too>With rear ramp and side doors. Yeah I mean the Taurox has those so I guess be careful what you wish for...
>>97880744Nevermind.
>>97880411Venatari reeks of designed before female custodes existed
>>97879068It was just a tool at the time, it did not recive honors until 40k due to them being so rare and hard to make. In 30k and the greade crusade the armor that was a badge of honor was artificer armor, because that was hand crafted armor typically with far better mobility and protection, and that would include both terminator and regular power armor.
>>97880341MK2B CHADS RISE UP!
>>97880261>Iron Warriors are efficientHey remember when Pert killed his sister after she correctly pointed out to him that everything he does is done in the most arduous manner possible to inflate his farcical martyr complex?
>>97880744Looking good!
>>97879068I posted late in the last thread but behold my Storm eagle.This model sucks to build fuck it.
>>97880844Taken some individual shots because my camera just isn't showing what they look like properly
>>97880929>based
>>97880933
>>97880941I'll stop spamming now
>>97880949>>97880941>>97880933What a handsome group of young men.
>>97880804None of those anons but sure, I wouldn't mind seeing vortex, tanglefoot, mines, hallucinogen, anti-plant and scatter missiles or whatever they come up with.
>>97880847No wonder, they look better than the rest.
>>97880844SoH seems very difficult to get right.
>>97880529>15th dreadnought variantI don't go to the shoe store and kinkshame your fetish.
>>97881059man it would be nice to get those RT era dreads something between a saturnite terminator and a casterferrum. Maybe with jump packs. All angry with a claw/fist and a gravis mult melta.
>>97880134If its anything like the NL/Nemesis Claw ones then they should fit fine. Maybe a little bit bigger but entirely interchangeable. The CSM parts in general are pretty close in scope (having had to cannibalize a squad for bolt pistols)
>Three 10 man veteran tactical squads with disintegrator rifles>One 10 man veteran hss with disintegrator blasters>One 10 man veteran hss with heavy disintegrators>One 10 man praetorian command squad with jump packs with disintegrator rifles>10 indomitus terminators with 8 combi-disintegratorsI man have gone a little overboard with disintegrator weapons.
>>97881168Better be dark angels and have 80 inductii with volkite chargers for true terran technological supremacy
>>97881185A 20 man volkite charger inductii squad is indeed the next thing I'm building
>fourth monthly campaign day canceled in a row bc 2 people called outI think I'm just going to call it
>>97881055Ouch?
>>97880844Those are sick anon, gg. Where did you source the shoulders and helms from?
>>97881200based and iductii pilled
working on my MK3 rapier crewtakes time, but I love the resultif anyone wants to know how I did it just ask
>>97881284I like the marine eating a cyber-sandwich
Finished a tactical squad :')
>>97880261>IW are efficientIron warriors are strictly catalogued as having the highest casualties proportionally to their actual expeditionary force among all 18 legions. pissfisters are magnitudes more efficient
>>97881409Very cute emos
>>97881435They're Iron Hands, not Raven Guard >:( But I guess they're angry emos so
>>97880949>>97880941>>97880933They look great, love the weathering. Are you by any chance a nail biter
>>97880634Tell me anon, how does the Sicarian Arcus work in the current edition and how it did in the previous one? Just in case you were wondering how retarded you and your argument are.
>>97880261
>>97881284legion??
>>97881463What gave it away?
>>97880881It's not the 2B, it's the updated Epic LR that the Mk2B was based upon (the same way Proteus is based upon the RT LR). The sponson design is a little different, there's no fenders or headlights at the front, etc.
>>97880634We can load multiple munitions types in real life too, retard.
>>97881556will be AL
>>97880824>legacies aren't canonGood to know.
>>97881611SOVL
>first GW plastic mechanicum model after mainly printing>see this shitIt’s a fucking side sponson why does it need almost 20 pieces
>>97881764Good. More details & freedom. Git gud.
>>97881764Because we deserve to suffer
>>97881764So that assembling it feels like you spend your money on something worth the price.
>>97881764welcome to nu-gw kits
>>97881823>saturnine dread foot has as many bits as a fully kitted marine
>>97881867look, anon. we have to fill up sprues somehow to try and justify year on year price increases ad infinitum, ok??? don't be a fucking antisemite
>MK3 iron handsShould I cut off the helmet spikes? I'm not a fan of the spike on the iron hands colour scheme, but the helmet itself looks kinda boring then?
>>97881900Replace them with coils from the Admech electro-priest kit.
>>97881887>>97881808You're free to buy 40gay kits, if HH ones are too complex for you. GW doesn't give a fuck about the amount of plastic, as can be seen with various modern kits with barely any parts or sprues in them.
>>97881900>Should I cut off the helmet spikes?summon the nerve and rabbi it up, absolutely. the pickelhaubes are really goofy embellishment in my eyesi'm a big fan of neuemk.3 helmets so unadorned. dunno what to tell you if you don't find them pretty badass at base. they're roundly thuggish motherfuckers down to even the bolters
>>97881867Because the kit is good
>>97881764>Another hobbylet gatekeptGW is so based for that.
>>97881913Leave the butt plugs for the EC.
>>97881519>Missile launcher system explicitly build to be able to switch between warhead types according to the lore has multiple ammunition types it can switch betweenWow anon, you really got him there.
>>97882029>no, you can't have multiple missiles in a launcher, that doesn't make sense>yes, of course you can have multiple missiles in a launcher, the fluff says sowew
>>97881900my only problem with cutting off the helmet spike with the numk3 is that the spike distracts from how much the helmets look like baseball caps with those dumb visor lips.
>>97882050There's no such lore about the whirlwind, scorpius, and hyperios missile launcher systems. If anything it's the opposite, for those there are only mentions of them being reloaded by hand and it being a somewhat of a hassle. The arcus launcher lore specifically mentioning it is build to be able to switch between warheads means that it is not a standard feature of Imperial tech. It is the exception that proves the rule.
>>97875382LGS somehow still had the old liber and holy shit what is this difference in quality? Running all my games in 2.0 from now on.
>>97881764I'm building some Thallax at the moment.My finger tips are getting filed raw trying to clean up all the small bits.
need this WB
>>97882089>There's no such lore about the whirlwindSeveral editions, even in HH, mention the Whirlwinds capability of firing multiple different munitions types. Have you tried reading the books instead of being wrong all the time?
>>97882131Is this a joke? They're the same picture.
>>97882175Firing is not the same as switching between during combat, ESL-kun.
>>97882189I guess the rules writers that gave whirlwinds the ability to fire multiple munitions didn't get the memo.
>>97882212GW's rules writers do have a track record of being rather retarded indeed.
>>97882239Whatever helps you defend having a separate whirlwind kit for each target type, rather than being able to load different missiles into the same launcher.
>>97881900only your sergeant will get a spike so might as well keep it for decoration
>>97882278I'm thinking of chopping the plume off of my sergeant since Betrayal mentions the DG prefer to let their battle damage/weathering speak to their veterancy rather than any decorative marks. I really love the way it looks but it feels a little too ornamental for my legion
>>97882350
>>97882350Veteran status is not always synonymous with officer rank
Get your proper Steel Hand of Mars scan. You have three days. Make sure you try the Relic Hunt missions, you might enjoy them:litter.catbox.moe/ln4bh8125gpm7ois.pdf
>>97882408True, but officer rank correlates pretty strongly with senority and experience especially in a legion with command structure as rigid as the XIV. I guess there are probably some more green officers than you might expect due to the higher attrition rate the DG suffered, though.
>>97880178I live near maryland so I am actually excited that GW world is opening in DC in 18 months.
>>97880510it's been 2 years. Did he ever make a channel or what? Fuckin 15,000 on warhammer and he was buying direct from GW, imagine if he went for discounts.
>>97880099I don't have as many unopened boxes as him but the ones I do have make me happy even if I should either build them or sell them kek. Just knowing I can pop them open and build an army any time makes me feel a little joyous.
so will they shit out Dark Mechanicus/Traitor Mars before 40k can release their own version of Dark Mechanicus?I would imagine 30k would be like those spindle spidery drones they released, while 40k would tend more heavily towards "it's a tank but it has flesh bits and legs".
>>97882662If the latest chaos mech models are anything to go by, 40k DarkMech would look like fleshy turds with random mechanical bits stuck to them.
>>97882657let me buy one of those Age of Darkness boxes.
>>97882675FLESHY
>>97880052I would buy those Warcry boxes off of you m8.
Tell me anon - what are your favourite units to field? Which are your least favourite units to field in your own army?
>>97882806if you mean "things that perform well and do cool things"?>favoriteKratos>least favoriteTerror squad, Contekar, Tactical veterans.
>>97882806Kalliope mortars and autocannon teams
>>97882350That's just rank. Damn swords look cool. I wish swords were useful and Tacticals sergeants could duel lol
>>97882806>favouriteCastraferrum dreadnoughts.>least favouriteNone. Don't use units I don't like.
>>97881417I think both things can be true: IW get both the highest casualties and the highest K/D ratio when controlled for the foe.Problem is, they were routinely sent to fight some of the most difficult foes out there, like Hrud.
>>97880634This is your mind in 10E 40k fumes
Oiled this up today
Gimme SA Russes with sponsons
>>97882868>Oil me up daddy
>>97882806>your favourite unitsDomitars, Thanatars, Gal Vorbak, Ashen Circle, Grave Wardens, Gorgons >Least favorite units All jetbikes, Inner Circle Knights, Templars, everything space wolves, Atramentar Flay Clades, Khenetai, Justaerin, Firedrakes
>>97882864True, i'm just being uncharitable because IW slander is fun and while I do like the legion I think they're overrated
What the fuck is this price? 82 dollars for six infantry models? This is absolutely ridiculous pricing.
>>97883041Poorfags are not welcome in HH. Never have been.
>>97882806>favourite despoilers, rampagers, fellblade>least favouriterhinos, red butchers
>>97883041Better than $82 for three, which is how the resin ones were priced.There's a reason that these are the only pre-order that sold out. Femstodes will prove to be a costly mistake for GW.
>>97882999Yeah. One ends up thinking in fanfiction when trying to make things make sense or at the very least not be retarded.
>>97883045>paypiggy levels today
>>97883139I miss the days when FW resin models were the only option available. It kept sub-human faggots like you out.
>>97883155I miss the days when FW resin models were hand sculpted by artists we knew. The real sub-human faggotry is defending today's overpriced plastic.
>>97883155Trying too hard
Fellas, is a list of 40 T5+ 3W models too much?
>>97883185
>>97883041Get them from ebay/amazon/anywhere else. GW wants like 200 for their knights and bigger tanks and theyre always like 140-160 on ebay. We used to have a local model store that always sold WH shit for 20-25% of suggested retail, it was literally keeping them in business for YEARS, and since there was only 3 GW stores in my entire state at the time (michigan), it would cause people to flock to the local store to buy their shit and then go to the GW stores to build/paint/play it for free. GW got pissed about this and opened a shitty little hole in the wall GW store in an absolute dogshit area just to pull customers away from the local store. Once the local store finally collapsed and shut down because of it, they closed down the local GW store. That was when I started to realize how SHITTY GW was/is as a company.
>>97883277absolutely obscene that goycattle will let such a monument go under for such a marginal and temporary sense of convenience
>>97883041Seems to be the current standard for elite infantry for 30k on 40mm bases. The Custodian 40k kits aren't really any better if not worse, meanwhile Sisters are still overpriced kits bought in fucking FIVES with numerous sets of otherwise wasted weapons.
>>97883277man, i wish stores here sold shit with discounts. Here the few official stores we have, sell stuff at GW price plus an extra 40%, a brand new Rhino cost 80 usd and it is cheaper compared to 3rd party places or importing it myself.
>>9788191440k kits are just as shit and poorly engineered. the entire FW karacnos was probably less parts than that one sponson and might be more detailed.
>>97882806Favorite is dreadnoughtsLeast favorite is basic infantry>>97882816
slooowly shaping up, starting to see the light at the end of blocking in everything basalcan hardly wait to really bring it to life in going through all the transfers and pockmarking and weathering and such
tried porting saturnine to 1e since that's what my group playsnone of them had any objections but I wanted to check with you retards too
>>97883600It's been a long time but aren't these going to be OP as shit? They're basically gal vorbak but with a 2+/4++ and all cam take power fists, and base gal vorbak were already mean in 1.0. WS4 isn't even s real detriment because they still hit on 4s.
>>97883600>disruption fists as x2 strength>plasma bombards AP2>disintigrator armorbaneYou just dont understand how these units work huh?
>>97883600i feel like they should be more expensive
>>97883600>2w terminators (immune to conventional instant death) in 1e>weapon roles all sorts of fucked (plasma bombard does everything, particle shredder useless)>saturnine fist turned into just "super power fist">not any slower than normal terminatorsYup, its homebrew slop time!Saturnines as a unit balance incredibly powerful defense with very specialized and limited weapons and incredibly low speed (meaning they either need a saturnine praetor or a spartan to get around anywhere). This keeps them balanced. You have the plasma bombard, which is safe and effective against massed infantry but otherwise fairly low impact. The disintigrator which is very potent into elite infantry and dreads but comes with the risk of horrible self murdering, and the particle shredder, which is arguably their strongest gun but requires getting up close with a unit that is (outside the C squad variant) bad at close combat and very very slow. And you threw it all away for two flavors of S7 Ap2 and a now useless shredder.Their weakness in melee? Gone. They can now happily punch tanks and whatever else to death.
>>97881417It's wild if you can have more casualties than the literal retards the World Eaters, who fight retarded by choice.
>>97880917I remember.
>>97883600>cuckstodes for 40 points that shoot plasma cannons and have a better invulnI think I would rather fuck a cactus than play against this.
Almost done with my first squad lads, im really enjoying painting. Got a lot of progress done this weekend;Just gotta get the brass trim and weapons, minor details and of course mandatory conspicuous battle damage and weathering. I wonder what to work on next, Im shooting for a 1500 point army first, roughly 50% troops(breachers and despoilers after this tacsquad), 50% terminators including a praetor (+ his retinue) and centurion in cataphractii armor
>>97883600oops it's supposed to be 3 guys, not 4>>97883624gal vorbak also have 5 attacks, ws5, high initiative and built in fear>>97883687>doesn't know how 1e rules work>still comments >>97883728maybe, they cost twice the price of GV and more than firedrakes>>97883755>make infantry that doesn't instantly die to a pieplate>this is somehow a bad thing>the sidearm weapon is worse than the main gun and now serves as overwatch deterrent >this is somehow a bad thing>try to translate the slightly better power fist from 3e>this is somehow a bad thing>everything in 1e goes the same speed>>97883783>hits last>has an overkill powerfist that is not better into marines than a powerfist>is actually good into the broken factions in 1e (mech, daemons and custodes)asking you retards was a mistake
>>97883687yes, disintegrators had armourbaneyes, plasma was always ap2
>>97883792cut your teeth on a dreadnought and/or tank when you want to change things up pretty drastically beyond doing just infantry dudersbut marines are definitely a good starting point for working up everything else and informing where you'll want to take lorger shit
>>97883802>>is actually good into the broken factions in 1e (mech, daemons and custodes)You say this and in the same breath say this bullshit isn't overtuned. This unit has the same problems as custodes. And it's not the melee profile like you seem to think its the fact that they've got insane lethality in any form and they have no weaknesses.
>>97883849Oh for sure, once i hit that 1500 point milestone i want a dreadnought and some rapier batteries among other armor to shoot for 3000. I wanna really lean into the slow, heavy, oppressive advance feel with these guys in DG fashion
>>97883873the disintegrator and fist are not truly better into 90% of the space marine than a melta or normal power fistthey do do well into monstrous creatures, something marines otherwise do not have an answer tothere are numbers to tweak but I'm adamant that this role is important
>>97883045Faggot man children like you that brag about pay inasne prices for mini toy soilders that cleary aren't worth it should be roped at the speed of sound. People like you are the reason I haven't started an army, as if it's not bad enough I have to admit I payes that much for plastic hunks, I also have to be associated with retards like you? Give me a fuckin 3d printer or better yet I'll invest my money in something productive and not waste it like an perpetual infant.
>>97883901we go ebay and chang here, sirthats just some anon larping and/or baiting
>>97883600Much to cheap. Heavy D and Plasma bombars i think needs to lose barrage, the fact it even has barrage is kinda weird. Murderous strikes on teh gauntlet is pointless just get rid of it. Post cost is WAY to cheap, it should be like 250 for 3 models. poitning them at 50 points a model is fucking insane.
>>97883943it's 200 for 3, GV cost half as muchthe 3 normal guys was a typothey have barrage in 3e and I think it's interestingmurderous strike is something that helps with monstrous creatures
>>978839683 for 250 is a better start again considering you bascally make them immune to most forms of instant death by being T5.
>>97883978what basis do you have for that point cost?aquilons were overcosted 255 for three with better stats, better weapons and more wounds
>>97883968Where "specialist weapons" a thing in 1.0? Because a disruption fist should be one if they were.
>>97884011doesnt really matter if it has no pistol or alt melee options
>>97884011the reason they aren't specialist weapons is because if they had two fists, they'd get the bonus attack regardless of if they had that rule or notit also means I can make the hammer into a specialist weapon so you get less hits with it
>>97881928Don't forget to suck the tip after
>>97883813plasma didn't become AP2 until like 1999 anon, it started out with the same -2 save modifier of a flamer, shuriken catapult or heavy bolter excepting the maximal fire profile of the heavy plasma gun, which had a -6 save modifier (compared to melta's flat -4), imposed a flat 2" Movement penalty (when a Marine's Movement Characteristic was 4") and had a 1" Blast on either setting; oh, and if you fired it on Maximal, you couldn't fire it again for another 3 Turns (but it was still powerful enough on the low setting to be worth using every turn, unlike plasma pistols with a 1-turn cooldown, plasma guns with a 2-turn *warm up*, RAW)this was rationalised to a single turn-after-next rule for the small guns by the end of RT, but they actually lost ground to heavy flamers which had a -3 save mod by then (which they've retained, sort of)it may surprise you to know after gork knows how many editions of AP3 krak missiles how shitty plasma used to be compared to krak anythingyou may also not recall that plasma pistols were nerfed for 2E (to a -1 save mod, the same as a bolter or frag grenade) while hpg's retained their move-or-fire and moved to the turn-after-next recharge rule and gained a 1 1/2" Blast marker sizethen in 3E they started exploding at AP2 after more than a decade of being dirty grimdark guns that didn't work well and probably gave you canska
>>97883041well maybe you shouldn't have made it so expensive to ship shit to you
>>97882179You are blind
>>97883041Custodes and solar aux should have been in resin to gatekeep the poorfags
>>97883155Agreed.
>>9788461440k peaked around 3-4th ed.
>>97883901Inflation has affected most goods but GW was always a jew with their yearly price hike regardless or shrinkflation.
>>97884614Considering RT and 2e didn't have AP, but "save modifier", it's still correct to say plasma (until recently) was always AP2, since as long as AP has been around, it was (until recently) 2 for plasma. When AP didn't exist, the number was different.
>>97884864i really find 2.0's str7/ap4/breaching 4+/spicy to properly encompass the scifi of them in the gamut of marine-on-marine combat mean, mean weapons but there's room for them to interface with and be defeated by armour though particularly proper shots (coming down to a coinflip) will just slag right the fuck throughit feels nice to me that full proppa ceramite plate at least has a chance to have such blows glance off, shit is exquisite
>>97884864of al the things to being over from RT why was it 4 way leadership and not save modifiers, fuck.
Can't get any spiked shoulders for MkIII that I'm happy with for my next squad of 10 tacs for my burgeoning SoH force - what can I do to make them a bit more Cthonic beyond the stuff I've been doing with chains, mirror coins and skulls?
>>97885116little freehand inscribed golden/brass gang signs here and there on the plate itself
>>97885116Wolf pelts, wolf bits, crescent moons.
>>97885116Was gonna suggest the Grey Slayer ones, but they're studded, not spiked. Master Crafted?
>>97885144Red leather gloves and those Tortuga helmets based on those Visions art pieces.
>>97885161The bugger that I have is that all of the ones I can find are in the same style as the old MkIII and I don't have enough of those ones spare to make it match, and they've gotten rare and expensive
Does among the Solar Auxilia (I do not own their book, and am not willing to buy one just to check) exists a large tracked rocket launcher tank. But not with a pod of rockets , like whirlwinds , but big chunky rockets.
Hello guys. I used to play WH40K more than a decade ago.I decided to (slowly) approach Epic scale, namely Legions Imperialis, mostly because it roughly has a similar scale to Battletech. How should I approach it?I mostly want to field a bunch of Knights and other gothic gundams
>>97885248Of course not.
>>97881867It's also fully poseable
>>97885312People don't want poseable models, they want monopose as is made evident by them buying the nu-marks.
>>97881867>omg my vehicle kit is too complexMy toast is too buttery type shit. You fucks don't want to hobby, you don't want effort.>inb4 needless effortIt's not needless, it's that you don't want it.
>>97882173>new saturnine termies release>ranged weapons are either plasma or disintWhy? No bolter? No Volkite? No Flamer?
>>97885352>point out a simple fact>anon has a schizo meltdown
>>97885365>was just pointing out a fact guys!Coward faggot
>>97885352Let me guess, you one of those "any model is monopose if you have a hobby knife and glue, git gud" faggots?
>>97885368I, too, hate when people notice things.
>>97885376On the contrary. Having to cut what used to be separate is needless effort. More pieces. Give me more freedom.
>>97885387>calls you a schizo>then calls you a jew
>>97883041Blame your retard in chief to tarrif-ing the entire world and fucking up international trade lanes.
>>97885451AAAAA ZONALD BLUMF JUST FLEW A HAMBURGER INTO THE SYDNEY HARBOUR BRIDGE AND NOW MY MINI'S COST A GORILLION DOLLAREEDOOS
>>97885477it's unfortunate this is a thing that really happened.
>>97885451GW were increasing prices even without the maga clown anyway, they don't need tarrifs or global oil crisis to fuck their consoomers over
never skip neck day
you lied to me, 3d printing is absolute garbage and i want to bash the heads of all the clowns who jerk off thinking this deamon engine of a process will somehow replace plastic miniatures
>>97885451nigga GW were price hiking anyway. Hell most tariffs on the UK didnt even apply to their shit if I recall right.
>>97885588If anything GW price hikes have remained constant, so far they haven't been using the current economic climate as an excuse to raise prices by even more outrageous amounts.
Hello again. I'm currently sketching out the LW diorama that I mentioned a few days ago, but I'm all over the place when it comes to actually picking out the units to use. Do the Luna Wolves have any particular armour mark, weaponry and equipment/dreads/tanks associated with them at all? Or does anything go?
>>97885643MkII or MkIV. Less Cthonic than the SoH of the mid heresy.
>>97883600I'd make the disintegrator Twin-linked 1 shot instead just to cut down on Gets Hot. 2-shot disintegrator has about 1/6 chance of killing the Saturnine guy per shooting attack, which is not ideal on a 70pt model. Particle shredder's way too cheap for something that can delete entire units of MEQs. I'm not too concerned about T5 because everyone and their mom brought Vindicators and shit in 1.0, but maybe make the unit in general more expensive?>>97883687Plasma weapons had been AP2 since before 5th ed and the disruption fist is basically a power fist with a different name against everything below T5. Did you ever play 1.0?>>97880634As opposed to what, a Javelin having enough space for 3 missile types? The selling point of missile launcher has always been having different warheads. What's the fucking point of taking missile launchers instead of lascannons if I can't switch to frags midway?
gonna drop a hot sticky load of a breaching 4+ D2 5" pieplate on some terminators
>>97885855Lewd.
>Ran out of holstered pistols>Won't be able to have all marines be completely WYSIWYG from now onToday is a dark day.
>>97885578Never had any problems with it but at the same time I've ignored any conversation about it on /hhg/.
>>97885738>and the disruption fist is basically a power fist with a different name against everything below T5So "not a power fist" then, S6 vs S8 is incredibly relevant. They wound terminators on 3s, wound dreads on 5s and can do fuck all to vehicles a lot of the time. >>97883802>>make infantry that doesn't instantly die to a pieplate>>this is somehow a bad thing>made infantry massively overtuned compared to other infantry>this is good because infantry suck in generallmao. Play a different edition then, rather than making more dumb bullshit to cope about its flaws. You took a well balanced unit which fits neatly alongside other terminators and turned them into a garbage mess that does everything and has no weaknesses because youre a retard who shows why homebrew rules are terrible 99.9% of the time. >>the sidearm weapon is worse than the main gun and now serves as overwatch deterrentYes, the situational upgrade with a difficult use condition being worse than the free longer range weapon is bad you dumb fuck. >>try to translate the slightly better power fist from 3eWhich they are not. Saturnine fists are at best a sidegrade and more realistically worse. Because the situations where you care about D3 are fewer than the situations where you care about S6 vs S8. They are not Solarite gauntlets.
>>97885387Israel doesnt want you to have saturnine dreadnought feet composed of a reasonable amount of bits
Grabbed six saturnine from a local facebook group and two Wolf Priest bearded heads. Gonna convert the fuck of them. What size magnets should I get for arms? Also post your saturnine pls
Yeehaw motherfuckers, buddy was clearing out his storage locker and I got this for $100
>>978860943mm magnets work fine if you magnetise the elbow joints. Very easy to magnetise all the options, besides the particle shredders.
>>97886103oooh, what's that hammer from? Looks sweet.
>>97886114Found them on Cults3D, forgot the name of the creator.
>>97886098Solid grab for 100, shit goes for like double or more on FW
Workin on some blackshields and I forgot to take a snappie if their armor before I stippled it and I'm an idiot
>>97886227Is there ever gonna be an end to the centurions and consuls you're building?
>>97886276These are the last four, then it's veterans.
>>97885643What diorama idea bro?
>>97885889Press mould them, I did that and I never run out now
>>97886227How did you make the volkite fist?
>>97886103Those yours anon? Jesus, that’s really super. How’d a nitwit like you get so tasteful?
>>97886227The venerable Legio Diecasticus.
>>97886331Cut the blade off a chainfist, then cut and file a volkite charger to fit, and reposition its power pack to be side mounted
>>97886339Kek>>97886341
>>97884976Because save modifiers are simply worse than AP like 40k for the past decade demonstrates and the new morale system is the best one they've ever done.
>>97886331>>97886341Volkite fists are classy.
>>97886355>>97886341Pretty cool thanks
>>97879935Do you think people would have cared if there actually had always been female custodes? Like, if they'd done this 25 years ago and the custodes were these depressing ubermench remnants of the Emperor's once grand plan for humanity's future. I feel like it could have been fine/cool if the motivation weren't so baldly malicious.
>>97885643Luna wolves were super clean and unembellished. They had a penchant for Mk.II and Mk.IV armor. They were wolves in mentality, not literal wolves like the sons of Russ. Always thought it would be a cool story if a few loyalist LW companies showed up late in the Heresy after being sent on a campaign they weren’t expected to return from in any meaningful numbers since most of the were the remaining Terrans and non-Cthonians left in the legion from the early days. Something like that. The white and black with flashes of gold and red looks amazing when painted well.
>>97886355
>>97886382There wasn't, GW is retarded and the retcon lore is too.
>>97886382Probably. People were less indoctrinated and so it would be treated like a joke, as in preposterous, and wouldn’t sell well. Gymnastic elf witches with tight bods, bladed boomerangs, pitch forks, and great legs? Definitely. Sisters of battle with power-bob haircuts, power armor heels, and angel jetpacks? Absolutely. Gigantic muscle-slabbed women who are otherwise indistinguishable from their male counterparts? What’s the fun in that? Back then the game was 99% men and boys, and they wanted their not-a-pin-up girls on the battlefield, not a bull dyke. It would have crashed and burned back then, but for different reasons. Hell, SoB didn’t really sell well back in the 90s anyway, a lot of it due to the whole demography of the player base and enjoying identifying in some way with their army.
>>97886382I wouldn't have and still don't care, female custodes make sense, the problem is the models are fucking atrocious and monopose.
>>97886440They are very monopose but what's wrong with the sculpts? I think they look a lot better than the older ones. Speaking of infantry anyways. The tanks and dreads look identical.
>>97885738>disruption fist is basically a power fist with a different name against everything below T5I find it weird that a heavier terminator has a heavier power fist and it punches weaker yet it also does more damage. I really can't wrap my head around it.Like a pillow case covered in razor wire somehow.
>>97886472They're actually not power fists. They are just gauntlets, most likely with little to no modifications from their plasma reactor maintenance exo-suit origins, with disruption field generators slapped on. They are tools modified for combat, not purpose build combat weapons like actual powerfists.
>>97886382The emperor engineering “perfect” future humans that look down on the rest of humanity would be a lot better than custodes current lore which is basically just “space marine but better.” And yeah it would fit the idea of female custodes better. As it stands though they did it as the “female space marines” they could push with the least resistance
>>97886472>ultimate protection for reduced mobility>can’t swing as hard because can’t move as well, but has some gnarly tech built inMakes sense to me.
>>97886506>>97886472This of it like the jaws of life.A power fist is like crushing/cutting something with the jaws of life. The Saturnine fist is like just bashing someone with said fist.
>>97886382The whole point of custodes and marines was that they were meant to serve specific guardian and combat roles, and were never meant to replace humanity. The Emperor's ultimate goal is to guide humanity through it's psychic development, that part of the lore has been consistent throughout the years. He never created post-humans of both sexes to avoid uprisings similar to what happened with the Men of Iron. But of course nu-GW forgot all about that, and was too busy trying to score brownie points with mentally ill people on Twitter that don't even buy their products.
>>97886103>Particle ShreddersAre they worth paying points for?
>>97886382>Do you think people would have cared if there actually had always been female custodes?Yes because it literally goes against established lore reasons as pointed out here >>97886536
>>97886536Nu-GW also forgot the emperor was incredibly sexist. he could’ve had daughters, he chose not to. He could’ve made gene seed compatible with women, he chose to not bother. Would he engineer lady soldiers as his personal guard? fuck no.
>>97886506They are 100% not tools repurposed for war. Yes the concept of a heavy shielded suit began as a tool for reactor inspection, but it was since redesigned to be a wearable tactical dreadnought suit.>>97886519Chainfists are more tool than that and yet they hit even Stronger...and somehow do less damage??It's the relationship between Str and D what I don't seem to get. I would think Str is the force with which it hits, and Damage is whether it kills a person or gibs them into pieces.
custodes are boring as fuck and no one likes them. games wokeslop chose them as a sacrifice to the blackrock SBI cabal because of that.
>>97886577>Chain fistIMO the entire Tier 2 power weapons are all outta wack (TH, PF, CF)If i was GW for a day to balance them i would go TH: leave it the samePF: Give it 3 damage baseCF: Give it AM1, 4 damage base with Shred 4, armorbane, Basically turn it into a las cutter thats stronger in melee but lacks range.
>>97886514>can’t swing as hard because can’t move as wellDang true. Shouldn't have given them cartoonishly big weapons then whoops.
>>97886598If it was up to me, I'd simply swap the names of Thunder Hammer and Power Fist.That way, Power fists hit weaker, but are more nimble, while Hammers are a bit slower, but hit harder.I lament chainfists having to sacrifice 1A for their stats, but I think I wouldn't change them.
>>97886608>big weapons mean more leverage and power for any degree of movement you have, plus provides some standoff range in a melee.Makes sense to me.
>>97886514Power fists aren't just for punching. With the power field, the fingers can rip and tear stuff easily apart. There's that one Space Hulk model of the terminator ripping some paneling with their fist.Completely (un)related, is pic related the only official artwork of a terminator reloading?
>>97886506>They are tools modified for combat, not purpose build combat weapons like actual powerfists.Should've gone for something more like the ones on squat exo-suits. Those look like actual tools. And don't require the wearer to be a nugget.I almost want to make an SA Ogryn squad out of some Saturnine as actual exo-suit. Sort of like the IG sentinel power lifter. Take off the pads, tweak the design, put some lights and servo-arms on the thing (there's convenient mounting spots behind the arms once you remove the pads), and maybe even repurpose those hammers/axes into large tools you could imagine space ship crew needing to maintain ships and stations.
>>97885563That a recast nemesis?
>>97886855Oof if only>And don't require the wearer to be a nugget.Bro those are the nuggettiest nuggets to ever nugg.But yeah do call me when Saturnines can walk without breaking their legs. Who ever green lit that
>>97886724Anon, even the Primarchs don't wield weapons as big as those. Let that sink in: Saturnine melee weapons are bigger than primarch weapons.
>>97886812I like that, Terminators shouldn't be helpless.I remember that pic of a tactical brother reloading a terminator's assault cannon, as it's easier for him. But not impossible.
>>97885643A weird fluff note is despite Horus being with the Luna Wolves for like 200 years, only the 1st company (who were black with white trim according to BL) were Cthoniamaxxing until after Ullanor and the rename.
>>97886382I wouldn't have cared, in our timeline they did this after thoroughly fucking both FW and HH so for me it's more reasons to dislike their handling of the game's direction but it's not that big of a deal.
>>97886629>hammer is slowerAnon you got that backwards. Physics is still a thing. I want you to grab a 5 pound dum bell and try to puch with it, then i want you to grab a 5 pound hammer and swing with it. Ill spoil you on which one is going to hit faster, its going to be the hammer because centripetal force is a thing.
>>97886629>I lament chainfists having to sacrifice 1A for their stats, but I think I wouldn't change them.I think chain fists really need to lead into the "This is tool specifically desgined to fuck vehicles and dreads" catagory.Its being -1 attack GUTS it as a weapon to fight with and its not really good enough to be fucking up vehicles with look at the las cutter as an example of this. Most flatforms that can take a chain fist are gonna be swinging 1 hit any way, so its not really missing out by instead just putting it to 1 attack base but making it do like 4 damage stock and shred 4+ to 5.
>>97887017You seem to confuse the speed of winding the hammer for a swing with the speed of which the hammer hits with.
>>97887052Anon, a hammer is going to swing a lot faster then a fist. again, try and punch with a 5 lbs dumb bell and then swing a 5 lbs hammer, you are going to be able to deliver a hammer much faster then you are going to a fist. The hammer should swing faster then the fist. If you really wanna get into it, the hammer would also actually strike harder becuase its applying a greater or even equal force over a smaller surface area. The strength of the fist comes from its abiltiy to grab, crush, and rip apart which while slower is a far more devistating effect, hence it should have more damage D3 while the hammer should have D2 but swing at -2I vs the fist -3I.
>>97886950>two-handed thunder hammer isn’t larger than a one-handed thunder hammer, even a primarch one.You don’t say. They’re also not special one-off-custom-or-archeotech-or-gifted-by-the-emperor levels of power.
>>97887087*is larger
>>97887071You're not holding the fist in your hand when you swing it, it's your arm. The weight is distributed across your hand and arm. On a hammer the vast majority of the weight is on the head, which you need to wind up for a good swing to get the most out of it.>The strength of the fist comes from its ability to grab, crush, and rip apart
>>97887087Anon I'm pretty sure it's still larger than forgebreaker
>>97886976Remember, Terra was one of the hardest places before unification. Terran marines were noted as being particularly brutal and lethal marines. Such that Corax didn’t really like em. I wouldn’t be surprised that terran traditions and “culture” had some legs in the 16th until attrition and time took its toll.
>>97887071NTA, but thst’s an interesting point. To be hit with a hammer while wearing armor, might be terribly unpleasant, especially if the hammer blow is enough to damage the armor. But having your girdle plate ripped from you along with your liver seems entirely nastier. I think people assume power fist= punch, when it’s really like power fist = rip their arm off or grab the collar of their armor and tear that shit down.
>>97887106So? Is it better?
>>97887108>veteran Jorge want's to be hardcore, but his primarch won't let him
>>97887125Yeah thats the point i think a lot of people are missing, is a fist is not just punching, its literally ripping crushing and devistating what ever you touch. >>97887103Anon, again, physics, if you take a weight and move it further from the axis, its going to move a lot faster, this is something that you can replicate in many different ways, Its literally why we use hammers to drive a nail rather then just bashing it with the mallet in the palm of our hand. >You need to wind up.Yes and you also need to wind up a fist, that has that same amount of weight. But when you swing a hammer, your deliveirng it into a wider arch, but because its access is at your fist, elbow or arm, depending on how you are swinging it, its going to be traveling a LOT faster then a fist. The hammer 100% should be swinging faster then the fist, again, you can replicate this by grabbing a hammer with a 5lb head, and holding the head and trying to push with it, vs trying to swing it. The hammer should remain as it currently is statted, but the fist should go to D3 damage with its current profile.
>>97887198Forget the speed that the hammer/fist travels. Forget the force of the impact. Forget all that. Put on a 5 pound gauntlet and punch a target. Take a 5 pound hammer head at the end of a haft and swing it at a target. Which operation takes longer time?
>>97886472Welll, its a "disruption" fist so presumably that has to do with it. A power fist uses a force field or whatever to just hit really fucking hard. But the damage is "linear", its just brute force. The disruption fist hits less hard because its a different mechanism with less power, but its "disruption" qualities probably just explode you on an atomic level or something (like the particle shredder). So the D fist may struggle to "get in there" against harder foes, but when it does it has a greater effect. While the power fist hits kinetically harder but its just "putting a hole in something" as opposed to the science bullshit the D fist does.
>>97887219>Forget about speed>Which operation takes longerAnon...the hammer is going to be fasterWhy do you think we made war hammers over just punching people with rocks strapped to the end of gauntlets. The hammer is the faster one, Again, i want you to go pick up a 5 lbs wieght and just start punching air with it, and then take a hammer and start swinging it, the hammer is going to be delivered so much faster its not even funny. This is not even an argument i can keep up becuase its just fucking math and physics at this pointThe hammer should remain -2init, the fist should be -3 initThe hammer should still be 2dThe fist should be 3 damage.
>>97886547Yes? Theyre fucking insane, by far their strongest gun. S6 Ap3 flamers with shred. Minimal size command squad + praetor with shredders drops in, deletes any given veteran/tactical squad (or even puts some damage on terminators) and then eats whatever charges it to try and clear it out. The only time you dont take as many as you can is if youre going double gun (double plasma bombards) on a squad you have no intention ever getting near combat.
>>97886547Yes, in fact the best load out for Saturnine is their stock load out of 1 bombard and 1 fist. GW was huffing their glue when they wrote the rules for these things beucase they fucking suck.
>>97887288>So basically a cone of titanically high current and voltage lightningAlways loved the idea of particle (lightning) weapons. From Admech and their thallax and robots to this, even Necron particle weapons in 40k
>>97887071Anon, swinging a hammer is slower than punching. You can punch with a 10 lb dumb bell faster than you can swing the same 10 lb on a 3 ft pole back and then forth. But said weighed stick hits harder than just the weight with no stick
>>97887386>You can punch with a 10 lb dumb bell fasterOk sure anon you are right, what ever you say anon.
>>97887125Power fists CAN grab and crush and rip, but that has Power Fingers level of strength compared to the rest of the whole power fist.Yes a power fist can tear crush a skull. But a punching motion can turn said skull into pink mist instead.
>>97887409Anon the a power fist is like the jaws of life, it will crush anything it gets it hands around.
>>97887264The "power" field of a power weapon is a disruption fist, anon. It's like saying>Yeah your lasgun shoots lasers, but mine fires photons
>>97887350maybe its the name, but I always imagined they were "invisible". You just see them fire and its like a ripple in the air before everything in front of them just falls apart into dust gauss-flayer style as its mollecules get rearranged. Like necron weapons, but without the lightning, things just stop existing in front of them.
>>97887386>confuses speed with number of cyclesThe velocity of a hammer’s head for any given amount of force applied to the handle will result in a head velocity much faster than if you applied that same force linearly with your hand. You might be able to wind and strike more times that way, but the velocity of the weight at the target will be much less.
>>97887422Unironically read what I just wrote again. I literally said it could. Did I not just wrote that it could?Alas, I do maintain: power fists are a jaws of life you could punch someone with and explode them as if their bones were made of warm butter.But yeah, you can also crush if you already grabbed them.
>>97887285>Why do you think we made war hammers over just punching people with rocks strapped to the end of gauntlets.Because we don't want to use our delicate hands has weapons. Boxing gloves are to protect your hands, not the opponents face. Om bare-knuckle boxing fighters target the body as not to bust their hands on the opponents skull.>i want you to go pick up a 5 lbs wieght and just start punching air with it, and then take a hammer and start swinging it, the hammer is going to be delivered so much faster its not even funny.Why don't you try it and time how many punches you can make vs. hammer swings in the same time.>This is not even an argument i can keep up becuase its just fucking math and physics at this pointThe mass of the fist is swinging in a smaller arc, and it's closer to your center of mass, meaning the time it takes to swing it is smaller.
>>97887442Anon, Strength is a function of Speed.Initiative is a function of Frequency.Fists can punch a higher number of times per second than hammers can swing, even if a hammer's terminal velocity is in fact higher than a fist's (which is how they hit at higher strength)
>>97887442You know this, I know this anon, but the other anon wants to distill it down to a single instance in his mind where it some how menas the fist is faster despite the fact that the force delivered from it is going to be signifigently less. Centripetal force is a thing, that a lot of people dont understand. The hammer would be faster in delivering the same amount of force as punching with a fist would If the goal was to deliver X force to a target, then the hammer would be able to deliver that faster then the fist would. Its attempting ot argue with someone who has never picked up and moved weights, or has no idea how physics works.
>>97887108Corax was a retarded fag
>>97887452Never has the failure of the education system been more painfully apparent than in this post.
>>97887442>You might be able to wind and strike more times that way, but the velocity of the weight at the target will be much less.Wow, almost like what anon said: "Hammers are a bit slower, but hit harder." I'm glad we had to have this tirade over nothing.
>>97887435Usually highly excited particles, like electrons for example, tend to emit a shit ton of light as they attempt to balance back to their normal state of being (their quantized superposition) after having been “bumped” to an unbalanced position. Hence lightning.
>>97887453Fists *SHOULD* punch a higher number of times than Hammers, because of their frequency.Currently their rules have them be stronger and slower than hammers. Hence why in my wild ass ultra hot take fanfiction, I simply swap hammers and fists stats so Fists are the S7 i2 weapon, and Hammers are the S8 i1 weapon
>>97887465No. They’re faster, but take more time between hits.
>>97886462nobody gives a shit about the tanks or dreads because those were not trooned
>>97887480you JUST contradicted yourself
>>97887457Speed not as in velocity, but as in time to completion (frequency). Imagine this scenario:A Hammer has to travel 3 units at a velocity of 1 unit per second. It takes it 3 seconds to do so, and it hits with a velocity of 1 u/s.A fist has to travel 1 unit of distance, and does it at a velocity of 0.5 units per second. It takes it 2 seconds to do so, and it arrives with a velocity of 0.5 u/s.The fist hits quicker, even though the hammer goes faster.
>>97887480>it's faster>by being slowerWhat exactly do you think "faster" means in this context?
>>97887496The head of the hammer has a higher velocity.
>>97887497Your whole post goes without saying. That’s why anon said this >>97887474
>>97887510Thus "hit harder" while it takes longer time to hammer away, thus "a bit slower". It's not rocket science.
>>97887510Yet a lower frequency
God y’al are dumb.
>>97887522I do wish fists were the quicker weaker option to the slower stronger hammer because that makes more sense, yes?But the rules are the way they are, so just like AP2 plasma, it ends up being a fanfiction.
Can you all define your terminology before conitnuing to fuck about with each other Long and short of it is this. The hammer will take a longer time to reset between swings, but a hammer with deliver a faster swing "attack" IE the time it takes between initiating an attack and impact.Further more a fist (linera motion) would need to move at a ratio of Vc ^2 / R in order to match the same force as a hammer assuming its the same mass. IE If a hammer is swinging at 6M/S, a fist would need to be moving at 6 M/S x the radius of the hammer swing (IE handle length) So if its a hammer is swinging at 6M/S that is V1 = 6^2 / RV1 = 36/R which means you would need to be moving a LOT faster to deliver the same hit. Either way, it would come out to the hammer is going ot be striking at a higher initiative then the fist would be striking, because no one is going ot be going into a fight not ready to strike.
>>97887554At least the first strike would higher initiative.
have any of you fuckers ever picked up a dumb bell and tried to punch with it? Becuase i feel like none of you have. Punching over and over with even a 2.5 lbs dumb bell will tire you out a lot fucking faster then dropping and swinging a 2.5lbs hammer holy fuck.
>>97887571Sure if anything you could make a better argument by saying that the a hammer should be -1 attack, i could at least see that being an argument reasonably being made.
>>97887572>switch the argument to tiring out insteadIt's a good thing that's not a factor, since SM armour is powered and functions as an extension of the wearer's body.
>>97887571Is the hammer user walking with the hammer raised and ready to go all the time?
>>97887572Anon, none of us even go outside. The only physical exercise we get is from jerking off to hentai.
>>97887599To be fair anon both of you guys could make the smae argument for both weapons, and say that the power armor assist would cause a reset of weapons in an equal number of times. But i mean at that point you all would be arguing over symantics.
>>97887608I mean it’s not dangling from his belt is it?
>>97887608hammers strikes dont always need to come from above anon, hammers can be just as deadly from teh side or even in an upward swing. Same with a fist, a fist does not always need to be drawn back and punched forward, upper cuts, or just swinigng and clubbing some one with your back hand.
>>97887618>>97887631Point is that the hammer is not kept wound up for a strike constantly. So how much faster is it to wind the hammer for the first strike vs. the subsequent strikes? Enough to matter in a D6 wargame?
Lets get off the hammer and fist debate, we know where everyone stands and we’re talking past each other now. Always thought a reductor Thallax admech magus character would’ve been cool and a missed opportunity. I also miss the crazy Imperial army variants that could be made. Like beast me with explosive collars, or survivors of the dark age. The Alan Blythe stuff.
>>97887654>Always thought a reductor Thallax admech magus character would’ve been cool and a missed opportunity.That was Calleb Decima in the first Black Books. Honestly he should give buffs to Thallax and Ursarax on top of his other rules.
>>97887654>>97887731We need a couple of Loyalist Characters for the Mechanicum. Bring back Decima, and the introduce a new character. I like the idea of a Cybernetica character from Metalica.
>>97887572They down merely drop the hammer. They actively swing it down. Not to mention they have to raise it before that.Pulling your fist back to you is quicker than raising the hammer back again, even if it does come down with a faster velocity
>>97887648>Enough to matter in a D6 wargame?Aye. -1i vs -2i lol. Alas, I wish it was the other way around and that the fist got the faster rules. It ain't so. Rip.
>>97887859IMO i think a balanced way for Tier 2 power weapons (Fist hammer and chain fist) Would be these profilesLeave Hammer as is. Fist should be D3 damage Chain fist should be IM -3, S+6, AM1, D4 armorbane shred 4. Chain fist needs to be looked at like a tool kinda like a las cutter in melee. the only difference is that the chain fist is a lost scarier in melee due to its much easier access.
>Shitflinging argument where it's painfully obvious both sides haven't got the faintest clue how different close combat weapons actually function, neither done even the most entry level research into old manuscripts about melee combatI can't with you motherfuckers.
>>97887923>Shred 4Sorry i mean shred 5, it should be shred 5 on it.
>>97887925Please, do enlighten us on how real world thunder hammers and power fists function.
>>97887654Aw should've read this comment earlier. Just what do Reductors confer this time around, gamewise? BESIDES the lame "+1 to X stat, then take an armor save" that cyber theurgy has been reduced to.Instead of wanting flying Reductors, I'd rather have a land-based squad they would want to join.Besides Myrmidons. It used to be Techpriest Squads, no?
>>97887943>Me, Claw Connoisseur, rejoicing in how lightning claws have two characters (Edward and Wolverine) but power fists only have one (Hellboy)I suppose Thor's dwarfishly short mallet counts as a Thunder Hammer.
>>97887943Even your dumb question shows your complete lack of understanding. Go ask your mom, I'm not in the mood for this.
>>97888047At least you tried. Again.
>>97887610Nigga speak for yourself, I love the gym
>>97887990There's also pic related.>Thor's mallet count as a Thunder HammerWhat about Old Boy?
stat him(!)UNEF expeditionary trooper
>>97888200VulkanLives
>>97888227Grenadier with kinfolk helots provenance and exo-rigger upgrade
>>97886382i feel very alone in that, but i like the retcon : custodes being the emperor's pet project and thus not having to be exclusively male, make the custodes and space marines more different, rather than one being painted gold and a tiny bit taller.it also gives credit to the traitors, why serve a tyrant that see everything bar his syncophant guard disposeable.
>>97888200>What about Old Boy?That's a regular, real life sized hammer.Aren't thunder hammers, like, polearm-sized? I was always surprised how they didn't have the Two Handed rule when wielded by artificer captains in 7th edition
>>97888402I think as a concept it is fine. The custodes are the emperors person artisan forces created through one of a kind techno-alchemy and the process being less "restrictive" than the one for astartes is fine. The issue is that custodes should be appolonian godlike figures, and the female equivalent of that should likewise be a pinnacle of the female form. Not "dainty little women", but they should look like wonder woman or something, the sort of thing you could imagine the greeks chiseling in marble.
>>97888402the objective of having the best most superlative warrior bodyguard in the galaxy is not cohesive with making them female, it really is that simple and it was clear to the writers when they introduced the custodes back then so why isn't it clear today? Still it'd only be worth outrage if the previous range was squatted but as it stands it shits on the new models and we now have everything in plastic for heresy so if GW's political obsessions made it happen who cares. Just got done on the combat patrol, they really missed a trick not keeping the axes but thats part and parcel of this shit edition.
>>97888402I think it makes Custodians more dangerous from a concept perspective: they will be the Emperor's new mankind that will replace the old in the Golden Path. If things had gone according to plan.
>>97888492>a pinnacle of the female formA pinnacle of the human form, or the female form? These are mutually exclusive concepts. Peak fighter and peak mother do not intersect.Except maybe Cattleya. MAYBE.
>>97888402you are full retard if you like the retcon
>>97888402>the emperor's pet projectYeah, because Primarchs and Marines were never that...Why must everything be disconnected from one another? They're all genetically engineered humans. Thunder warriors were described as proto-marines and both marines and custodes are created from children. Surely the Emperor would've used what worked and perfected it over time, rather than starting from scratch each time. Of course Marines have the gene-seeds, but I wouldn't put it past these implants containing many abilities that would be found in Custodes as well, just in different forms. Surely super healing, redundancies, strength, poison resistance, ability to stay awake for ages, etc. are abilities good for Custodes as well, just more finely tuned, rather than the more mass-produced nature of the Marines.
>>97888494Also trooning out the noble women means less noble sons since they do not have children. Plus the female inferiority from a biological perspective. Only a woke tourist would accept the retcon.
>>97888509The pinnacle of female form is pregnancy.
>>97888494>having the best most superlative warrior bodyguard in the galaxyBut that's not the objective of the custodes. The objective of the custodes is to represent the exemplar of the Emperors vision of a perfect humanity. Ageless, incorruptable, able to heal from any wound and martially unparalleled. And, of course, unquestionably loyal to him. Thee is a reason they also were encouraged to study the arts and sciences of the world when Big E was still around. They aren't just his guards, they are his Companions.
>>97888509>A pinnacle of the human form, or the female form?You may as well ask if male custodes are meant to be the pinnacle of the human form or the male form.
>>97888480There's depictions of smaller sized ones, but I'm guessing they made them two-handed on so many models to balance out the large hammer head there to make the weapon look imposing, rather than just a power maul. If it was two-handed, terminators would lose the benefit of storm shields.
>>97888553Your fanfic isn't the actual lore anon.
>>97888553You are retarded and you do not care about the lore.
>>97888545To be honest I'd not be surprised if the Emperor sometimes forgets that women get pregnant in order to make more humans. He is so far removed from EVERYTHING that he just forgets about basic parts and principles of humanity, and simply wants to play war-dollies with living beings.
>>97888553Anon seems to be confusing custodes with primarchs.
>>97888492>custodes should be appolonian godlike figureshave they ever been that ? from their first characterization in BL novels they have huge disparities in them; the only real common denominator is their loyalty>>97888494>the objective of having the best most superlative warrior bodyguard in the galaxy is not cohesive with making them femaleyeaaaah in the universe where swords are as good as guns on the battlefield i don't think sexual dimorphism is that much of a problem>>97888500could be; they are all super autistic tho; there's only a handful of them that seems like functional humans; like valerian>>97888516i doubt it's any more retarded than coming on a indonesian basket weaving forum to get mad about it>>97888523>Yeah, because Primarchs and Marines were never that...>the more mass-produced nature of the Marines.you said it yourself; space marines are a case of quantity over quality
>Thunder hammers used to be extremely rare, restricted to terminators and special characters, and hit so hard you didn't even need to roll dice because hits automatically dealt damage>Now, even fucking tactical marine sergeants can have a thunder hammer, and they hit the weakest of the heavy power weaponsHow the mighty have fallen...
>>97888616A lot of people got pissed off at the custodes retcon, for good reasons. If you do not care you are not invested in the lore or setting, you're a spiritually a tourist, wokie or just a coomer. It makes no sense political bias aside and if they wanted to flesh out proper female representation GW could have fleshed out the SoS.
>>97888616>it's not a pet project if it's aimed at mass-productionBased retard.
>>97888652>A lot of people got pissed off at the custodes retcon, for good reasons. If you do not care you are not invested in the lore or setting, you're a spiritually a tourist, wokie or just a coomer.>It makes no sense political bias aside and if they wanted to flesh out proper female representation GW could have fleshed out the SoS.buddy get out of your armchair and say that to my 10 000pts of blood angels
>>97888616Sexual dimorphism still matters since you get more bang for you buck and the superior warrior by enhancing males, you deny basic biology.
>>97888652>GW could have fleshed out the SoS.At this point it's hard not to think that ignoring and marginalising existing women just is part of the "agenda"
>>97888678Doesn't matter you do not care about the lore and setting, spiritually a tourist like I said.
>>97888696>>97888680you trolling piece of shit
>>97888694Pretty much.
>>97888714So you have no argument, pathetic but not surprising from someone who doesn't get basic biology.
>>97888694>>97888717Its because the goal is, they HAVE to be the main character they wont settle for second fiddle.
>>97888606Are we really trying to say that Realm of Chaos is a valid source book for modern 40k lore? You'd be hard pressed to find any passage in those books that hasn't at least been partially retconned.
>>97888740It is also about defiling something others enjoy and getting off on the sadism of it. Just like other settings like Star Wars and LotR.
>>97888751Meanwhile, your headcanon was never a thing in any GW publication.
>>97888765Correct, there is a reason why the Tolkin Quote struck them so hard, and pissed them off so much."The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own" The return of the King.
>>97888779Indeed, that Tolkien quote is amazing.
>>97888402>Pet projectThey were not, that was the web wayCustodes were the prototype version of the Primarch and Space marine programs. Prototypes are often far more intricate, harder to make, and use better components, this is because you are using it as a proof of concept, and from it find a way to make mass production versions of it. The Custodes were the artisan version of the bulk packaged Astartes. They were not a pet project of his.
>>97888806Yep, because it basically exposed what a lot of people are doing. Their ideas dont stand on their own becuase they are made of straw. So as a result the only way they can get people to buy into them is to inject and infect existing loved things to try and pretend people love their concept as well. >Star wars>Warcraft>40k>LotR>Dungeons and dragons>MTG>DC>Marvel the list goes on and on, and each one gets a surge of popularity then starts to fade from its glory very quickly.
>>97888739i hope they issue you a sword when you get drafted
>>97887731I meant like a magos who voluntarily underwent thallax surgery but due to being a magos didn’t have his brain lobotomized . Basically a jump pack sporting font line combat lieutenant character who confers some bonus to the thallax/ursarax he’s with.
>>97888839Uh oh, someone is having a melty.
>>97887923Basically there ain’t not “glancing hits”. You get it witch a chain fist and you’re being opened like a tin of cat food. If you get hit.
>>97888616>have they ever been that ?In terms of their aesthetics and vibe? I would say so. Theyre these perfect warrior-scholars who represent the pinnacle of what a man can be, very much drawing on the vibes of ancient warrior heroes and the whole "elite ubermensch brotherhood" rather than the astartes "soldiers in a war" thing.If theyre "Achilles in power armour", it would reason the female ones should be "Hippolyta or Atlanta in power armour", that same "perfect form" but female.
>>97888642Whats next, going to complain that lightning claws arent just better power fists now? That power weapons arent AP2?Thunder hammers used to be just power fists with an irrelevant special rule. They became power fists but 2x damage for a bit in 2e, now they are "power fists but they go a bit faster".
>>97888857exactly. Which is how they should work, chain fists were originally designed to open up bulk head doors and void ship hulls, they a weapon designed to cut through the thickets of armors. >>97888861Except by having female custodes it would undermine the entire point that the emporor was trying to make. The thing is, those heros are people you looked up to because in reality they did not exist, they were not really obtainable for people. The goal was never to replace humanity with custodies or space marines, by having both sexes you basically give them the ability to do that and go "Well why the fuck do we need regular normal humans? all forms and process of humanity can be perfected this way?" Thus making it so humanity became an amalgamation of what it truly is.
>>97888642I remember 2nd edition just how terrifying thunder hammers were. I remember having baharoth vortex grenade two war walkers off the map iust to get the assault terminators because with the thunderhammers, those walkers were fucked anyways.
>>97888877Actually thinking about it, power claws actually give creedance to my theory that the majority of the damage a fist causes is not by the blows it delivers but by the crushing and ripping action of it. Power claws replace the servos and components of the power fist that would normally allow for crushing with the components needed to power the claw blades.
>>97888902Well that is also because back then, those terminators not only had TH, but also had SS, so i mean, good fucking luck taking them out.
>>97888895>by having both sexes you basically give them the ability...because of course they aren't sterile; they go at it like rabbits behind closed doors to make more custodes obviously
>>97888917Im not saying they do, im saying that by having both sexes you literally open up that possibility. Right now its impossible because there are no female equivalents for them. so the thought is not even there. Again the goal is not to replace humanity with them, its to give humanity heros to look up to.
>>97888562Maybe they got nothing down there either
>>97888895>by having both sexes you basically give them the ability to do that and goJust make them sterile?
>>97888714He’a right though. You’re just over domesticated.
>>97888945Again, i know you can say just make them sterile but, unfortunately, cawl exists who can just magically unfuck the work of the emperor, implies that some one else could just go "Well fuck it we could just not make them sterile and have them produce their own warriors with out needing a selection program.
Male custodians should look like male WWE wrestlers. Female custodians should look like female WWE wrestlers. Instead they both look like weird potato faced freaks.
that's what i get for caring.i long for the nerve some here have.
>>97887610Death Guard bro here, I love the gym
>>97888959This is also the ultimate crux of the problem of female custodes or marines. As you put on more muscle mass and more testosterones to support the growth of those muscles you lose more and more of the female sex characteristics resulting in both men and women looking like hulked our roided muscle men, which means visually there is literally no distinction. Which means there is no way to identify them in armor, with out creating sexualized armor such a boob plate and or things like narrower ships, and legs. However that also then creates a series of ok well now we are just sexualizing them.So like its a complete zero sum game where the only outcomes ultimately result in the side pushing for female custodes into the corner of "Ok you just want to say there are female custodes you dont actually want anything that would indicate they are female, else you would just be contradicting other lore and your own motives because you would HAVE to sexualize the armor in order to tell them apart. "
>>97888678>10000 point army and still a touristbleak
>CustodiansFrom childhood get unique tailored-to-the-recipient gene therapy as well as the emperor’s own personal biomancy powers applied as well.>AstartesExtreme gene therapy and surgery applied to pre-teen to teenage recipients from one of 9 “stable” templates. >ThunderwarriorsExtreme gene therapy and surgery applied to adult recipients from a very potent but unstable template.>AssassinorumGene therapy, surgery, drugs, roids, chems, stims, bionics, etc.
>>97888986>However that also then creates a series of ok well now we are just sexualizing them."good".Female custodes should have boob-plate and male custodes should have ab-plate (like 40k sanguinary guard). They SHOULD be sexualized, just not in the "this is erotic" way and more in the roman/greek statue "this is showing off the physical perfection of the human form" way.Because thats what the custodes should be, classical demigods. Theyre not realistic or sensible warriors, theyre big dumbasses in bright gold armor fighting using RWBY weapons. The concept is already stupid, so rather than trying to find a way to make it "Logical" you should double down on the evocative aspects of it.
>>97888678>10 000pts of blood angelsSure, and I am a navy seal with over 500 confirmed kills.
>>97889012Ok but now the problem is, in order to sexualize them you have to create clear physical strength differences in them. A women with tits is going to now be lacking pectoral muscles and need a narrower shoulder length, which means les upper body strength as a result, which clearly means they cant do the job as well as custodes can. If you REALLY needed or wanted to have female custodes, the males shsould have been put into a warrior caste like they are now, to emphisise the male strength and warrior aspect, and females should have been put into a warden or sentinal caste that focused on hit and run tactics emphysising speed and agility. Like calv and fast attack should have been female, and terminators and sentinals/guardians should have been male. Not this vomit of "ok everyone can do everything."Thats what makes female custodes gay as fuck is they try and pretend they are equal to everything a man can do, which ultimately means the writers will just use it as a way to write their misandry fan fiction.
>>97889004>>97889031will you shut up if i show it ? no ? then get lost
why does the leman russ plasma cannon look so shitlooks like a stubby circumcized cock
>>97889039Its amazing how we can ignore every rule about biology APART from the gender strength difference when talking about this, and only ever when its applied to custodes. Square cubed law? What's that? But god forbid we also hand wave that women arent as strong as men.
>>97889050>The evolution of the male phallus is so advanced that magnetically stabilized plasma energy weapons necessarily resemble them.Yup. Deal with it.
>>97889039>in order to sexualize them you have to create clear physical strength differences in themI dont need to do shit. Its fucking gene-magic.
>>97889050Being upset with it resembling a stubby circumcized dick says a lot about you anon.
>>97889012your argument is actually a pretty good reason why females don't belong in the astartes or custodes, which is that both are ASEXUAL. Their purpose is not reproduction, it is purely combat to further the Emperor's goals. They aren't even 'male' as such, so neither would female versions be female.
>>9788906730k is the setting where the most basic laws of physics go take a hike but heavens forbid girls are as strong as boys it's clearly agenda pandering or whetever's the newest buzzword
>>97889067To be fair the strength difference is kinda the most important part.We could also go into the fact males have denser bones and stronger ligaments The very way our skin attatches to our body is different, the fact that we actually have visual differences is how we precive colors and sounds which make us more apt at spotting prey and movement.
>>97889099I mean when the only reason you want to add women is just for the sake of adding them, thats a bad reason.Personally i HATE change for changes sake, i think thats a really shitty reason to change something or change established lore or setting rules or game rules. If you can not give me a good reason as to why we should have them other then for changes sake, its a bad change.
>>97889112good reasons are subjective; plenty of reasons have been given here, none of them being "good" is your problem
>>97889121What reason is there to add female custodes?
>>97889121Must have been a different thread, because in here there's only been posted reasons why it's a bad change that doesn't make sense.
>>97889121>good reasons are subjectivesSays you, faggot?
>>97889104None of these real world facts matter.We are ignoring every biological rule in order to make custodes work as a concept. Ever seen somebody that tall irl? They are crippled by the weight of their own body on their legs. Look up the great Khali, big show, andre the giant, all of them ended up crippled by the fact they were that big. We are already spitting in the face of real world facts. So no. None of it matters. Not the strength, not the bone density, nothing, because we are already ignoring those rules to make the male custodes function, so we can also ignore all those rules to make the female custodes function.
>>97889140Ok but again, why do we need to add female custodes when its been long established they have always been drawn from noble sons. The long standing established lore IS they are ONLY men. Why change that?
>>97889144Because its fun. I like my mythical hero army to include some amazons.
>>97889140You're actually posting good evidence as to why men make better recruits for super-soldiers. They already have a tendency to grow larger, all you need to do is alter the genetics involved with joint and ligament strength. Something that can already be achieved with modern day medical and genetic science, it's only ethics preventing it. Making an individual grow way taller, stronger etc. still is beyond modern day genetic science however.
>>97889159>because its funThats not a reason. I can say a lot of things are fun thats not a justifiable reason to add them. I thought stomp mechanic was fun, thats not a good reason to keep it around. >to include some amazons.What are sisters of silence who for the longest time could fuck people up but GW refuses to give them updates.
>>97886355>volkite fist
>>97889089I prefer my plasma uncircumcized
>>97889104actually one of the most important parts is that genetic modification would be more difficult with females regarding the sexual chromosomes because having two X chromosome means that any changes to one might be cancelled out by the other and won't be expressed, which is why genetic conditions linked to the sexual chromosomes often don't express in women though they can be carriers, like baldness or haemophilia. Since men have two different chromosomes they don't cancel eachother out.
>>97889173The human body and genetics are not that simple. To support the wight of a custoded you couldn't just increase bone density and lifiment strength, you'd need to entirely change all the proportions of the person in order to support the weight. There is a reason why elephants and rhinos have those massive, straight legs, with thinck skin and fat pads on their feet to enable them to stand comfortably. Quite simply you could make the muscles and bones and siniew as hard or as strong as you want. But it just wouldn't work in the shape of a human. The more weight you add the denser you'd need to make the bones which would add more weight etc. And then. Once you have fashioned this great lump of meat into a form that would be able to stand up, you'd NEVER get it to be able to move like a custodes in the lore. Quite simply. Unfeasable. Impossible. Not because we dont have the technology, but because Biology doesnt work like that.
>>97888642>Now, even fucking tactical marine sergeants can have a thunder hammerIn 1.0 only elite sarges and a few others could take hammers, wasn't it? Squads with full power fists were a rarity>and they hit the weakest of the heavy power weaponsHence my fanfiction of S7 fists and S8 hammers. But enough of that, honestly >How the mighty have fallen...Be me, despairing at the ruined works of old and I think: "boy, those fallen sure we're mighty!"
>>97888678Are those blood angels in the room with us?
>>97889176Its a game. Because its fun, should be the best reason to add something.As for the sisters of silence. I'd love them to have more stuff. Its a shame they didn't add more. But I do not belive that that was a result of female custodes being added. And also anti psyker armies are always a ballache to balance.
>>97888844>Basically a jump pack sporting font line combat lieutenant character who confers some bonus to the thallax/ursarax he’s withI'd have both that, and a non-jump squad that can go with the Reductor. Like, where's all those Kataphron heavy gun servitors? Combat servitors are a majority resource of the Mechanicum's war machinery. Yet most servitors we see are support servo-automata with regular arms.Kataphron guns are just below Russ-grade.
>>97889222We're talking about humans about a head and a half taller than the average you fucking retard, not obese land whales that weigh several tons. Nowhere near the size that would require special adaptations, the very fact people like Andre lived for centuries (and he even did professional wrestling for crying out loud) is evidence that only slight alterations are required. But you refuse to acknowledge reality works like that, because it doesn't support your retarded little fantasy. Keep coping, you delusional faggot. Each time you post it's becoming more clear you have no fucking idea what you are talking about, it's pathetic.
>>97889159>mythical hero>custodesYes, the genetically modified elite troops of a galactic conqueror, chosen from noble as an agreement after the reunification of earth from an age of barbarism, who genocide and destroy entire civilizations in the name of a singular authoritarian ideology which is merely the whims of a self-serving ultimately short sighted dishonest wannabe god.Mythical heroes.>yourMythical heroes, at that.
>>97889246>Should be the best reasonThe game is fun as it is, there needs to be a reason to change something that exists, what reason is there to change an existing lore point? If you wanna have amazon custodes then buy some 3rd party minies and run them that way, why change the lore? What you say is fun, is something that you can individually control, there is no reason to change the lore for it, you have yet to give a proper good reason to change the lore, lore is not meant to be fun, lore is meant to be established content to create a frameword for the game and the setting. Fun is not a reason to change lore. >I think it would be fun to change lore where chaos actually jus have a different political opinion then the IoM and they dont actually enslave and subjagate and murder innocents, thast fun.Under the logic of fun, that reasoning would carry just as much weight and validity. >SoSYeah you should be, and i am as well, upset that GW continues to side line sisters of silence, they are a great faction that is not getting the love they should be getting.
>>97889246You're the only one who thinks it's fun, buddy.
>>97888895>The goal was never to replace humanity with custodiesWhat if it actually is? The New Man of the Golden Path, bro. They will tear this world down so they can build it anew...>>97888917>>97888945>>97888956>>97888932Life uh finds a way
>>97889246>Its a shame they didn't add moreThey did in 2.0 before female custodes were added to the fluff then in 3.0 they just have a single unit, vehicle and indipendent character plus Krole. You can say this isn't connected but it's painfully obvious that it is and SoS are on the backburner.
>>97889222mate dinosaurs came in a whole range of sizes and weights and had no problem reaching immense sizes. The human problem is purely that we are bipedal in a very unique fashion that is energy efficient but hard on the knee joints. I'm pretty sure if the emperor just devised super durable cartilage then 12ft humans wouldn't be a problem.
>>97889012>fighting using RWBY weapons.Anon, silly RWBY weapons IS peak erotic
>>97889294>The human problem is we are bipedalNo, lol, look up what is known as the Square cube law. There is literally a limiting factor on earth on how big animals can get.
>>97889256>We're talking about humans about a head and a half taller than the averageCustodes are about 9 ft tall are according to the 7th ed codex, that's as tall as the tallest person who ever lived. Head and a half my arse.
>>97889044>doesn't show it
>>97889317sure, and it's a hell of a lot bigger than a 12ft human
>>97889336Oh yeah very fair, a 12 foot human is possible even without super future science space magic.
>AdmechMen and women>GuardMen and women>AssassinsMen and women>InquisitorsMen and women>Rogue tradersMen and women>Imperial navyMen and women>ArbitesMen and women>Power armored super soldiers through gene modificationMen>Power armored super soldiers through imbued faith-based psychic enhancementWomen>Power armored superduper soldiers through gene modificationMen>Power armored superduper soldiers through psychic null shenanigansWomenSeems fair to me.
>>97889290You know what I meant. SoS arent on the backburner because of female custodes. Its because they are fundamentally a difficult army to balance, and they dont have the mass appeal of the big golden bricks. Getting rid of all those units was due to the homogonizing of the system and the no model no rules rule. SoS just didn't have a big and angry enough fan base to make GW write legacy rules for their old units.
>>97889350SoS should’ve been integral to Custodes lists. Like in the lore they can operate as direct agents of the imperial household, but they go to war together and complement each other. So if you’re building a Custodes army, you really need some SoS in there for ____ reason. That kind of thing.
>>97889320I remember I calculated Custodes to be 7'2" based on the length of their spear in Inferno in this pic.Problem is, I forgot what the spear's length is and I don't have Inferno on hand lmao
>>97889104Anon their bodies are recombined from genetic slurry, that's the whole argument >>97889350>SoS arent on the backburner because of female custodes. Its because they are fundamentally a difficult army to balance, and they dont have the mass appeal of the big golden bricks.No it's not, it's because no one gives a fuck about them, they're just a downgraded version of sisters of battle, an already unpopular army
>>97889362Nta but them and custodes were a single list in 1.0. They still had more units than what they got in 3.0.
the real question is what wil be the justification for teh adeptus custodes having no females by the 41st millenniium? Did they all die in the heresy? Settle down with kids? There's also never been a female custodes in any novel so it all seems a bit incongruous.
>>97889362I think they should have released an "additional detatchment" for sisters of silence, able to be taken in any Loyalist army.1prime command, 1 normal command,2 troops, 2 transports.You could use the prime slot to get in Krole, and you could easily use all the current models for them. Instead you have to work around the allies detatchment, which is shit for them.
>>97889372>No it's not, it's because no one gives a fuck about them, they're just a downgraded version of sisters of battle, an already unpopular armyWhich kinda just gives credence to the argument of, the only reason they are adding femstodes is to leech off of popular armies because no one actually wants a female force.
>>97889378I mean there are female custodes in the 41st millennium. The animation The Tithe is a 40k era animation and was the first time we saw one outside of a lore blurb in their codex.
>>97889390>The animationYeah the one that started this whole bullshit and GW going "Uuuhhhhh aktually there have always been female custodes"There were never femstodes until then.
>>97889369Well I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the codex states they stand just below 9 ft. So im guessing 8' 10" 8' 11".
>>97889383it's not really true though, people don't play SoS because they are extremely specific as anti-psykers in a game where psychic powers suck, ony get taken in one legion that itself is uncommon, and also have zero support. They belong to a time when lore counted more than the next quick buck and a box like the burning of prospero could be released and enjoyed by everyone as a compromise between matched play and narrative, better times.
>>9788939810th edition codex was actually the first mention of it. Came out a bit before the animation.
>>97889362>SoS should’ve been integral to Custodes listsMechanically how? Psychic and daemonic enemies are a very small minority. Say that they are the Talons' source of special weaponry like TSS.Special weapons suck right now. A missile launcher is the biggest gun they get to have, and those suck
>>97889399Can I have a screenshot
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>>97889458Thank you, anon. Wow I can't believe an entire codex is wrong and I'm right :^)Damn, I'd like it better if they were 7'3" or something. Seven feet is already the upper height limit to be indoors, and then they add a conical helmet AND a plume on top of that? They just don't fit.But the codex says what it does, I guess.
>>97889420Fast Anti-light infantry melee and shooing so the custodes can focus on high value targets.
>>97889618>Fast Anti-light infantry meleeDon't Custodes excel at that also? I know Custodians cost too much to spend on killing chaff, but don't their blades have DG's Reaping X or something?
Do all Latin titan names need two words. Noun Adjective?I thought of Chacalus (Jackal) for one of other 2 Audax warhound I'm building. Fitting I felt and more importantly it's a post classical Latin word derived from Persian (I'm using Persian as an espy for Himilasian proto-gothic) so they are similar enough to each other (chacalus and Shaqaal/Shakaal) and English that if I put one on the titan and one on banner anyone would realise they are the same name.It's not the normal Felis Tuxedius type name.
>>97889821You could modify the latin, doesn't have to be actually correct. Chalcanis and Xakaal
>>97889748Yeah but why waste a turn or more chopping up 1/3 their points in chaff instead of stomping heavier stuff.
>>97889821https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Legio_Audaxseems as though plenty of audax machines had single-phrased names
>>97889603Turns out the Sons of Horus just needed to install ceiling fans on the Vengeful Spirit
>>97889420As is for 3rd edition? Line.
>>97889884Horus was 14 feet tall in his terminator armour. Even taller when he went evil and got all the spikes.
>>97889884>install fans to trip up custodes top knots >accidentally catches abaddon and leaves him comically swirling around the room hurling, his neck unable to break because he's a space marine
>>97889222>x thing couldn't happenWelcome to warhammer? There's blurb in a novel talking about a Custodian reacting to a daemon manifesting and killing it in under six nanoseconds. Light would travel about 70" inches in the same time.
>>97888509Female Custodes actually DO have those proportions, it's just all squeezed tightly into the power armor.
>Tranny thread
Someone at GW did try to make a more feminine armored freakazoid during 2nd edition of AoS. And GW canned the entired range of these sculpts in favor of their new designs, which had men and women look almost the same, the "female" one even came with they/them pronoun.
>>97889979Custodes should have functioned like assassins where they’re single units that rely on a main force to hold ground instead of just really expensive and strong space marines
>>97890188Hey, returd, if you can't spot the difference between broad chest plate with pecs and the narrower tit plate plus bearded helmets for males and smooth ones for females maybe you should buy glasses because the difference is BIGGER now than in was during the 2nd...
>>97890188At this point they're probably going to get replaced again with more grimdark designs if the AoS leaks any hold water.
>>97890014but a daemon manifesting, that you're OK with, sure, sure, you're perfectly rational and not at all a fucking madman
>>97886898Yes
>>97890233I mean if you want to accept the premise of the setting at all, you have to accept daemons. You can accept daemons and still expect flesh and blood creatures to behave as though they're made of flesh and blood.
>>97890214>BIGGER DONGNo thanks, troon, you can have all the they/them to yourself. Being on troon drug not only make you retarded, it's also make you blind.
>>97890351>>97890351>>97890351
>>97890257neat. You get it from ebay or a recaster? Theres a guy on ebay who has been selling them for around 1200ish for several months that ive been tracking while waiting on some cash to pop up, imk considering him over recasters because I can actually see what he has in hand before I commit to purchasing it. Yours looks like maybe it doesnt come with the interior detail?
