This thread is for OPEN discussion of TSR-era D&D (up to and including 2e), TSR-era settings, and related games, such as retroclones, OSR, and OSR-adjacent games. Free discussion of house rules is encouraged.>GamesIncluding but not limited to: OD&D, B/X, BECMI, AD&D 1e, AD&D 2e, For Gold & Glory, Hackmaster, Myth and Magic, Shadowdark, Into the Odd, Mausritter, Cairn, Mörk Borg, DCC, Mothership, Knave, Troika!, White Hack, Black Hack, and Castles & Crusades.>What is this thread NOT for?Meta discussions and drama related to game creators and other /tg/ threads. We come in peace.>Resources2e fan wiki:https://adnd2e.fandom.com/wiki/Advanced_Dungeons_%26_Dragons_2nd_Edition_Wiki2e archive:aHR0cHM6Ly93ZWIuYXJjaGl2ZS5vcmcvd2ViLzIwMjUwMjA0MTczNzUwL2h0dHBzOi8vdGhlLWV5ZS5ldS9wdWJsaWMvQm9va3MvcnBnLnJlbS51ei9EdW5nZW9ucyUyMCYlMjBEcmFnb25zL0FEJkQlMjAybmQlMjBFZGl0aW9uLw==RPG archive:aHR0cHM6Ly9maWxlcy5zcGF3bmluZ3Bvb2wubmV0L2RvY3MvVmF1bHQyLjAuLS5UVFJQRy1HYW1lYm9va3MvRHVuZ2VvbnMlMjAlMjYlMjBEcmFnb25zJTIwJTVCbXVsdGklNUQv>Previous Thread:>>97823971>Thread Question:What is the worst encounter you've ran and/or participated in?
>>97882907Oh, great, another 75 percent by volume troll thread.
>>97882907>What is the worst encounter you've ran and/or participated in?The one the DM deployed to get rid of my my PC because I was acting like a cunt. In my defence, I think I was 12 at the time.
>>97882992what did you do?
(repost)something im not a massive fan of is the huge range of health you develop as you level in most versions of dnd.one health system i really enjoyed was from barbarians of lemuria where you essentially start with the health of a third level character, like between 10-12, and through progression you MIGHT get up to 16-18. This is balanced out by like all common damage sources being d6+ strength based (2d6 take lowest for small weapons, take highest for 2 handed weapons). so you are on average going to be killed by 2-4 successful common attacks. right in that sweet spot of deadly, but with a little play. I even experimented with starting hp a little lower at like 8 and that was also fun (strong man with +2 str and rolling a 6 possibly killing you outright).
>>97882916>four replies
>>97883912Myself, I like that old school D&D gets pretty heroic at higher levels. I just think it's more rewarding for players to have to work for a bit before they're flying around throwing fireballs instead of getting pretty close to starting at that like later editions.However, there's definitely a contingent of people into dungeon crawlers who are primarily interested in the more swashbuckling adventure story-esque level 1-5 range, and something like Barbarians of Lemuria is a very good fit for those guys.Hell, speaking of swashbuckling, there's a reason the best system outright made for that genre started as a BoL hack.
>>97882907I recall a player drowning in a vat of fish chum. Years later that concept still haunts me.
>>97883912On the low end I run a lot of Savage worlds and you only get 3 wounds before you are down with that
>>97882907>worst encounter you’ve played in?My party was ambushed by gnolls in the middle of the night as a random encounter. We were surrounded so we couldn’t run away and they were all using bows shooting from outside our movement range so couldn’t run to them without dying. Every one had to sit there and watch the DM shoot their PC to death. Afterwards someone asked the DM what we were supposed to do to survive that encounter and he said “I don’t know I was hoping y’all would just figure something out”. I understand why the French would chop the hands off English archers
>>97882907Anyone do anything neat in their downtime? One of my party is a brewer and another has some tinkering skills. They came together to create an early disposable suppressor system for one of their pistols. It uses the same principle as a pillow muffled shoot or one of those DIY plastic bottle suppressors good for one shot.Its a small dried gourd filled with cotton. on the back end it screws in to the pistol, on the front it has a dried gut membrane that is easily penetrated by the bullet. Each is a one time use item, but sometimes you just need one quite heavy lead shot that's quite enough to get the job done.
>>97891719That would involve reading the mechanics and rules
>>97882907>What is the worst encounter you've ran and/or participated in?Every time Andrew had to flex on the PCs by putting us on a plain plane plain so he could showcase how 10-20 orcs with a shaman could seriously hurt a 3-5th level party. Other than being a whitebox it's a decent scenario but we don't need it in every fucking game. D&D, Warhammer, Cyberpunk, Star Wars. The guy was a good DM but he got it stuck in his craw sometimes that the party needed to be taken down a peg and he'd just motherfuck us with the same scenario and shrug like he didn't stack the deck.
>>97893662>trying to give the thread artificial respiration by making up gaming anecdotesBro, just give up. This thread is dead. It's clear that it's /2eg/ or nothing.
>>97893682Why are you responding to a dead thread?
>>97888358I still prefer having variable quantitative amounts of HP where you can tell how robust something is just by its hit die or equivelent. At least from my experience, the stagger element of Savage worlds was a bit annoying. Though I can respect the intent.>>97887151Yah, I can definetly respect the feeling of earning higher and higher numbers and abilities. Though like I sad above, in regards to Honor + intrigue I am not the biggest fan of the "three stages of damage" it has instead of a standard pool of HP.At them moment I am in the sphere of Borrowing from BoL, Scarlet Heros (since it has a similar career system as BoL but its base is more B/X) and Worlds without numbers (which has a similar 2d6 dice resolution for Skills as BoL but it has more elements from Ad&d and 2e). I am thinking about picking my favorite bits from the three and making my own mash up system. The thing I am having a hard time with is if I want to go full 2d6, or make combat rolls the classic d20.Also, I like Crawford's content, but I find he lays things out kind of annoyingly, but also without the entertaining flair that somewhat made Gygax's pontificating more enjoyable to read.>>97893692NTA and I find 2e tard kind of annoying too, but I do apreciate a broader thread than the more narrow OSR one.
>>97893692Because I was onboard with this idea to begin with but at this point it's clear that it's not working. There's no activity, there's literally two of you at most and I don't even think you're posting honestly, just trying to keep the thread alive out of bitterness over /osrg/. The 2e general had plenty of sincere 2e fans and they're not participating here, so it's obvious that only a thread labeled as a 2e thread specifically draws that attention in the catalog whereas this is a dead cope.
>>97894762>The 2e general had plenty of sincere 2e fanslol. megalol.
>>97894762idk, I have like zero interest in 2e, but do have interest in some more divergent tangentially OSR things and the mixing and matching thereof, So I wouldnt be in favor of a solely 2e thread. I do think TODD is a bit of a wonky name though.
>>97894762The /2eg/ thread was pretty clearly being kept alive with all of the troll arguments. It being slow is a good thing, because it means people aren't spending all their time arguing about what game belongs where.
Nothing wrong with slow threads. It's noice to have a boarder OSR thread, if you do another 2e thread the same 2e haters will just show up to detail it sadly .I do agree TODD is a bad name though
I've close-to-definitively finished a Cyber Sprawl Classics funnel, my goal was to put enough polish into it that it works as a printed 'zine. Any critique and/or validation would be welcome.https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vQWd1vXnoBwGqWq8rpYCUE_hNcZgi4yTY0MzfZefCKo-2BB5zUJWIRjstYwZuXrl1mSXaszyttgVDsK/pubIntroductionIn 2053, the Osaka Orangeade Concern’s Chapter 11 filing was disrupted by a blackout that resulted in many of their liquidated assets falling behind the couch. One of these assets was the Osaka Orangeade Multi-Function Sub-Arcology Block, which left its residents living in a legal gray zone.The “Orangies” have continued to live in the structure, making ad-hoc agreements with utility providers, while numerous small businesses of likewise-ambiguous legal status operate within it thanks to the extremely non-specific charter. The building is now referred to as the Orange Box.The only thing keeping the Box from winding up on the open market is its residence threshold; if the population falls below 1K at any point, Squatter's Rights no longer apply and the building is up for grabs. Now, in 2061, vulture capitalists are taking another crack at the Box in the form of that most nefarious of companies, Spirit (formally, Spirit Seasonal Apparel and Aviation Concern) via their plausibly-deniable security sub-division, the Jack-0-Lantern gang.The Jacks first seized Floor 37 as their base of operations, clearing out all the residents and driving the retail spaces out of business; the elevator will only open on this level with a Spirit security fob. Now they’re meddling with building infrastructure, and the harassment has escalated to vandalism and assault. No help is coming. Those with other options have already left, bringing the building’s population dangerously low. The only thing that can save the Orange Box now is a gaggle of level-zero gonks.Welcome to the Sprawl, gonk.
>>97883912Something else I like about Barbarians of lemuria is that its a lot easier to eyeball enemy scaling as a GM. shitty little things are always in the 1-5 hp catagory, medium decent fighters are in that 6-12 catagory, and indivigual major threats are in that 13-25 hp catagory. I feel like when you get exponential leveling involved it is hard for both the player and the game master to eyeball encounter difficulty. OFC, not that you always need to face something "on your level" but just so you can get a sense of when you might be outmatched or not without getting a full to zero hit in one attack.>>97895473Kids there should be called clemintines.
>>97882907Before I go diving for PDFs, can someone tell me if Birthright or Dagonlance had battlefield-scale spells, the sort that you would see in pitched battles causing shifts in the terrain or damaging whole platoons?
>>97882907Not really an encounter, but for my first ever session of DND we spent the entire time playing poker because the dms friend told me "you can't play a gambling character if you can't gamble"I spent the entirety of my gap year after high school going to the casino, but that guy just had a stick up his ass regarding me
>>97900913I liked the idea that normal spells can be cast as a ritual and add some money in order for them to become more AoE and longer range. Like 15 minutes and 10 pounds of finely wrought glass to make magic missle into a hwatcha style 30 ft circle of magic missle rain at a range of 200 feet.It taking long enough and with a heavy enough material cost that you arent going to be doing it at normal squad level engagements, but more protracted engagements with more men it could be sustainable.
>>97900913Birthright does. It has "Battle spells" in The Book of Magecraft and Book of Priestcraft but they are basically ways to scale up normal spells to interact with the war cards mass combat system.One of the tricky things is that a lot of the classic AoE spells (Cloudkill, Fireball, Lightning Bolt, Chain Lightning, Meteor Swarm etc.) started out as battlefield spells for Chainmail and the like. They end up being scaled better for mass battles rather than skirmishes.
>>97895473I'd like to play this game but it's a tier above my players. Too many moving parts.One day, maybe
>>97895166>the same 2e haters will just show up to detail itIt wasn't 2e haters derailing it, it was a specific retard trying to raise a private army.
>>97912952You're probably replying to that same retard. Notice how nobody had posted ITT for hours and then the /2eg/ proponent anon got blitz samefagged with disagreement even though there's basically zero activity here? The only real reason to keep this "general" alive is because that one guy autistically wants to rally his (in reality zero) troops to try to storm /osrg/ again. A working /2eg/ is a threat to him.
>>97913022Why would a specific 2e general be more popular than a broader osr-adjactent general?
>>97913125Because it has a clearly delineated topic that isn't just "I am mad about another general on this board"?
Spell stockpiling, yay or nay?i found a few articles on pre-D&D playtest rules and blackmoor and found something i thought was interesting. at some point, before the development of magic users, players were "preparing the spells that they would take to the dungeon.". these prepared spells seem to be related to the materials that get mentioned a few times later but never have any actual rules weight. One of the ways interpret this is that characters were preparing scroll-equivalent effects with no particular limits other than gold and material availability.I think that, even if this interpretation is incorrect, it would be interesting to have a version of this in a D&D game, where wizards essentially prepare spell bundles or scrolls through spending gold and they are controlled more by encumbrance or something. are there any published games with a class like this?
>>97913189i do appreciate having a thread where i can ask questions about all OSR material without a purity spiral.
>>97914757>purity spiralTOUT TOUT!
>>97914752That is pretty much the idea behind Scrolls and Wands/Staves in earlier editions of D&D. The memorized spells would be generally useful ones while more niche spells would go on Scrolls to be pulled out as needed with Wands and Staves having spells (often offensive) cast on the regular.This results in Magic-Users being much less useless at low levels and most of their output being tied to consumables at high levels preventing 3.X's infamous 15 min work day.
>>97914752In one of the 3e books about magic has something called spell pools. The wizard with spell slot(s) open can draw spell from storage and cast a spell he or she does not know and at some later time he or she casts spell(s) into the pool as paying back.
Can you find games online where people get into those Gygax style sessions with 12 players to a DM
>>9791515412 players is not a fun time. It can be done but it's a hassle for the DM fs.
>>97915154This sounds like a nightmare
>>97882907>and Castles & Crusades.based
>>97915154>>97915203>>97915305It helps to remember that most of the time it wasn't 12 players at a time and was more often 2 to 6 players with 1 to 3 characters each.
>>97905679I have no idea why roleplaying games have such insane things that happen from time to time.
>>97915868This guy, at least, just didn't like me since I grew up around black people and spoke like it. I just don't write like that since it seems cringe to me
>>97916021Ok so it went from "you can't play a gambling character unless you can gamble" to "you can't play a gambling character unless you can gamble because you sound black". This definitely ups the insanity quotient by like, at least 15%.
>>97916068More like "you sound black, so I will look for any way to inconvenience your time here" if that helps you out
>>97915449C&C is dogshit
>>97917868why?
>>97918160Attribute rolls scale like pure ass. they should've used either: a skill system or a non-unified system like OD&D. Too bad Gary was busy trying to design his distinct game to actually participate in C&C's design.
>>97920258How so? They are fairly simple d20+bonus vs TN. I guess the base TN being determined by whether the attribute used is a primary or secondary does obfuscate success rates by making the base rates 45% and 15% rather than 55% like a flat base TN of 10 does.
>>97909756Perfect. I may already have those books in an archive, so I can take a look at that.>>97909581This is basically what I'm looking to do, though I'd be introducing a custom list of requirements and a new system of balancing time and components to create such large spells.
>>97920258What's wrong with it?Scaling bad how?
I have never played C&C, but looking over it I am not seeing any obvious issues
>>97920258>Attribute rolls scale like pure assGets too easy? Too hard?Give deets or its just void screaming
>>97920677>primary or secondaryI find it beat to use a base tn of 15 and give primary +3 modifier and secondary -3. That way all difficulty modifiers are added to the same number, and changing the base number is easier.The +3/-3 also helps give the idea of what a primary at 12 (+0) vs a secondary at 18 (+3) really means
I think the next game I want to run is a Lankhmar campaign using a fairly homebrewed version of DCC. I just picked up the Lankhmar boxed set at my flgs and I love this fuckin' thing. I know a lot of people hate him, but I was reading ancient Zak blogs and it really inspired to run some dnd*
>>97920981Because all the issues are at math level.
>>97922118That is most if not all versions of d&d and it's derived games.
>>97920981Imo C&C doesn’t have a single major problem but a bunch of little problems that all build up. Ranger Prime being STR while all of their abilities scale off of DEX or WIS is retarded. Good luck trying to play non human Ranger without home brewing that problem away. The SIEGE engine I like in concept but I think they just went too far with it. As one other user said make DC 15 for everything, primes get +3. That would be my fix. And also saving throws scale terribly as written. You never get better at saving throws, because traps and spell ADCs scale with you. Your a lvl 15 fighter and a lvl 15 wizard casts a spell against you? You don’t have a great chance of saving against it, your fucked if your saving on a secondary attribute. Some people have fixed this by making spell DC scale off spell level and not caster level. These are all technically easy fixes but there’s just so many. If I ever ran C&C I wouldn’t even give my players the rule book because I would have changed so much
>>97923232Ah one of those "almost there" heartbreakers.
>>97920258Given how poor Gary's post-D&D games were, I doubt he'd have made C&C any better.>>97923342Yeah, there's literally zero reasons to play C&C. The rules are also written extraordinarily poorly. Like how they take multiple pages to explain the SIEGE™ system... and how the way it works is not even explained in the players' book, but only in the referee one. So players are reading this book referencing the SIEGE™ system all the time as its core mechanics without ever explaining what it is and what it does.Not to mention the way that they always put a trademark sign after SIEGE™ is cringe.
>>97923584Is there much changes between editions? I know they don't use that term, but it seems to have clear editions
>>97923625No idea. The afternoon I've spent reading whatever printing of C&C it was at the time is enough time wasted for the rest of my life.
>>97923709Lol, fair enough dude.
>>97923342Yeah, it really annoyed me because there's also a lot of C&C that I do like, but they've refused to fix anything over 20 years. If your looking for a d20lite game that's trying to feel like AD&D you can either play C&C with the knowledge your going to be patching the ship while your sailing it, or there is a dude who has a homebrew hack of C&C, 3-5e, and AD&D. He's got a blog somewhere with the PDFs of his rules. I think he used to call it AD&D 3e but changed the name so he wouldn't get sued.
>>97924966https://scruffygrognard.wordpress.com/2010/02/02/add-3rd-edition/The links on the page are kinda dodgy. I keep getting unsafe link warnings. All of the material is also in Bytee's trove.The author is Chris Perkins but it's not former WotC Chris Perkins.
>>97925030Yeah he's basically running the project out of his basement on the cheapest website he can afford. Unfortunately BX rules the OSR scene so when it comes to AD&Dlikes your going to be scraping the bottom of the barrel
>>97925326I would like to give it a try but it is monumental and I'm not into games of that scope only in e-format. It's too much of a pain in the ass to only have pdfs at a physical table if the documents are more than ~64 pages.
>>97923584And the trade mark is a missuse of the trade mark system. Seeing as this is not a product marketed under SIEGE, but under Castles and Crusades.
>>97923625They are editions in the way as normal books have editions. It's a new printing with spelling errors, monster block errors and stuff like that corrected. They don't particularly fix anything.
This is OSR. You might not like it but it's true
>>97926940Which is a shame. Editions allow you to fix a systems issues.
>>97925326Doesn't help that purpleworm is dead either.
>>97928848Purple worm has nothing to do with scruffy grognard. And grognards 3e ADD is genuinely dog shit
>Monks are added so some player can play the protagonist from a ninjaslop book>We are stuck with monks foreverI don't want monks in every core rulebook even vaguely related to DnD. I would like to be able to start my pitch for my next game without going änd these classes don't exist in the setting we are playing"
>>97930654Just add them anyway.
>>97882907Was this any good? I'm not sure I ever got to play any Odyssey games.
>>97930654This kinda stuff is why I like classless games. Some classes will always need reworking to fit some settings
>>97910690Iktf
>>97915708I ran a 21 player game in NW Tennessee and no one had fun. It would take an hour to run 5-30 minutes game time. The session didn't last two hours. We got stoned instead and had to talk about our glory days for awhile. Some really good players, I don't know how I got them all together at my house. Just pure luck. We couldn't do that nowadays because all those players are busy all the time with kids, grandkids, other games, jobs & careers, God knows what. Leland, you are a shitDM. Also, a cuck and I would never laugh at you about that but you're goddamn pathetic. Elfquest is gay, eberron is gay and dragonlance is super gay. You're supposedly so smart but why anyone would ever listen to you, much less run a d&d game, is plunging the depths of stupidity.
I need a module of a buried abbey, or the cellar/catacombs/caverns under an abbey. Does anyone know of anything like that?
>>97930654My preference is usually just to rename it and then say it's the fighting technique of some nonhuman race. Ideally something that has claws or some other explicitly supernatural edge, but it at least cuts down on people immediately assuming that there needs to be a fantasy Asia with eastern-style monasteries.I'd rather just say >oh, monks in this setting are Mystics. The Lizardmen in the nearby swamp invented it to fight with just their teeth, claws, and primitive weapons and some swamp tribes copied themDone. Not much different than the Savage Fighter kit where there's penalties for wearing proper armor and you start with gimmicky weapons. The Mystic is just a bog-dweller with a weird fighting style.
>>97931931saint of bruckstadt (hewcraw)god that crawls (Nega-dungeon)
>>97931931Tomb of the Iron God (low level)Monastery of the Order of Crimson Monks (high level)
>>97923584The math in Gary's games was always more solid than SIEGE. If anything, what brought gary's games down (besides TSR's constant lawsuits) is that they had too much math and minutia. Probably because he was obsessed with making his games as computer games. In a better world, he would've participated in castles and crusades and mostly contributed to his strengths.But, this is all mostly me being sad that cases and crusades isn't a better game.
Trying to put together a Savant type class for Shadowdark. What do you all think? Reqs: Min 14 IntelligenceHP: d4Languages: two common, one rareWeapons: DaggerArmour: NoneFocused Assessment: Perform an INT check as an action and gain a benefit until the end of your next round- DC9, add Int bonus to your/ally AC - DC12, add Int bonus to your/ally skill check - DC15, add Int bonus to your/ally attack roll- DC18, guaranteed crit if your/ally attack is successfulFocused learning: Additional Int bonus to any downtime activity involved in learning a skill. Allies that learn with you gain half your bonus.I don't have the exact talents down yet, but I was figuring the more powerful ones would be giving the ability to use scrolls/wands and/or reducing the DCs for focused assessment. I wanted a support class that starts weak and can grow more powerful with training. Not sure if there's another homebrew class that does the same thing but I wanted to try my hand at it.
>>97937924It's an interesting idea, but I could see this breaking the game pretty badly if you don't put some heavy restrictions on how their ability works. Idk if you've ever played LoL but just look at the enchanter class and how the can break metas when not clamped down on. The Savant strategy is going to be sit in the back away from bad guys and add +4 to the tanks AC every turn. Id make the AC check higher, or maybe dont make it so that your adding your INT score, just a flat +2 or +1 then one of your class features you can roll is you add +1 to the modifier
>>97940158Thanks! I've tweaked the class with your suggestions. It's a good callout on the AC bonus so I limited it to the Savant itself. Then I reduced the power of the supporting abilities.
>>97930654I don't mind them existing, but they're a DMG thing at best. 3e bringing them to the PHB was stupid.
>>97942820??? They were literally in the 1e players handbook, my guy
>>97895203What are some of the negative aspects to 2e? All I hear are people sing it's praises and the occasional THACO jab.
>>97942820Just reflavor them to fir the setting. Spiritual punching man can literally be shoved in any fantasy setting.
>>97943408Really? My bad, it kinda checks out. 3e was largely modeled out of 1e.>>97945413But if it really needs reflavoring, isn't it better to leave them as an afterthought, kinda like psionicists? Like, it takes some squinting to even push Friar Tuck into that role, for instance. The ranger or bard for example feel a bit more universal, even if they have some odd skills.
>>97946748>> Really? My bad, it kinda checks out. 3e was largely modeled out of 1e.No clue where you got this idea. 3e is clearly an outgrowth of late 2e. Sure it brought back the link and half orc to the core book, but mechanically it's clear it's inspired by S&P concepts
>>979469663e changed so much of the game it might as well be a new game. I remember being pissed about dwarves can be wizards now (in 3e). But it did turn out fine and I was just being a grumpy old man about it.
>>97946975You can do osr play with dwarven wizards, that shit isn't the necessary part.
>>979469753e did in fact make an entirely new system. That is one of the key issues as why you couldn't use older products. Removing race restrictions was not really a system thing.Race restrictions where not an issue, hell I ran dwarf wizards and paladins and shit in 2e. Ignoring race restrictions and class level caps was a super common house rule in the 90s.
>>97947041>That is one of the key issues as why you couldn't use older products.fwiw if people are advocating nusr material as compatible on the fly then 3rd ed isn't a challenge either.
>>97947132It depends on what ruleset some are pretty easy done are not. 3e isn't compatible with pre 3e at all. It uses some terms and the like with other systems but is a whole new thing
>>97946966>No clue where you got this idea.They brought back Cantrips as daily spells front and center, put barbarians and monks right in the PHB, and prestige classes are pretty much a 1e concept. They at first dropped kits and priest spheres. Not saying it's heavy, but they clearly took a good look at 1e during the design stage. Also banked a fair bit on 1e titles like Oriental Adventures and Unearthed Arcana.>>97946975Still not a fan of that free-for-all approach.
>>97947023Yes, if your DM is lenient. I wouldn't be but everyone is different and actually like that.
>>97947338PRCs don't stem from 1e though unless you counting things like cavaliers and thief-acrobats.
>>97947338This is late 2e stuff man. It's clearly based off where 2e was headed
>>97947560That is what I'm thinking, though. Wasn't the Bard something like a prestige class in 1e, too?>>97947583I could spot some stuff from late 2e like Special Talents or some Skills & Powers options becoming feats, and that janky S&P nonweapon system maybe being the basis for skills, but I don't see dropping spheres as a concept in 2e. The Spells & Magic monk was still an actual spellcasting priest too, the version from Scarlet Brotherhood was so obscure I've only learned of it recently.
>>97947857It's clear the design was based off concepts being played around from the S&P stuff.But that's not to say they didn't pull ideas from other version either. The goal of the design team was to bring in all of the "iconic" D&D types.You have to remember 3e killed support for older D&D editions. That died with TSR, so they were trying to appeal to many types of players. It failed at it rather dramatically. Weirdly 5e was much better at bringing in those hold outs
>>97945386>All I hear are people sing it's praisesLOL>>97946748>My bad, it kinda checks out.uh, no? youre an ignorant fucking retard
>>97947167You're missing the point. If trokia is or then 3d Ed is osr.
>>97948808All D&D is OSR, plain and simple. Even 4e and 5e.
>>97882907I'm going to re-ask a question I asked in the angry surly grognard /osrg/ in this new allegedly less surly one and hope I get >I'm not an OSR enthusiast, I probably won't be playing a properly OSR game any time soon only stuff you guys call FOE or things even knewer, but I recognize the wisdom of the grogs. So I come to you.>I'm looking for balance decisions and mechanics present in older editions that solve problems newer games have because they abandoned the rule.I've already got>10m dungeon turns>DM rolls for players when success of result isn't obvious. Rolls to know stuff, rolls to skulk around, etc.>Magic Users need to stay squishy and spread thin on fuel so they actually need Fighting Men and Thieves. Self-sufficient Magic Users breaks the symbiosis.>reaction roll/initial attitudenot used>gold as xpI respect it, I understand why it partially works, in that it at least forces the PCs back into the dungeons, and it certainly is more tactical approach flexible than kill-only xp which I definitely don't want to use. And for a very specific kind of game, that's all you need it to do anyways. Heck, some classless NSR stuff has effective gold as XP without even having XP, because the only progression is gear. But for what I'm doing it's still only a half-measure, it's kluge, so I'm still looking to replace it with something else. I doubt I'll be the one to crack the incentive problem, but it's my duty as a dev to at least consider how I could.Besides, as the aforementioned NSR ruleslites found, the spending power of gold is also its own dungeoneering incentive, provided you supply enough outlets to spend it effectively. Which I think I have, through a combination of increased outlet to spend and significantly fewer ways to use class abilities to sidestep the importance of gold.From somewhere completely separate from the D&Dspace>IndexCardRPG's Effort for multi-step check resolution. D&D's combat works, why not just make non-combat combat?
>>97948808No, you are misunderstanding a lot of things but refuse to understand
>>97948870They can be, we have seen a 5e based OSR game, but never a 4e based one. I don't think OSR gels with the 4e fans
>>97947857Yeah, I would think so with how it worked to qualify for it. Iirc y had to have fighter, cleric and rogue classes to qualify for it.
>>97949213I'm not sure osr 4e would be viable or even worth it. It would change so much.
>>97949441I am sure if someone was passionate enough about it they could do it. But I am not sure why, 4e as a design is very, very far from OSR.
>>97949063Yes sorry but we're not going to spoon feed you this, if you want knowledge, then work for it.
>>97949063What exactly are you asking?
>>97949441I had been considering making a simplified, fastplay almost take on 4e characters, like, just picking the simple "+1 for this all the time" ability options as standard, but even that looks a bit like a pain.>>97949063How about Morale rolls after some monsters get killed? I think one 3e or Chainmail book had a quick way to figure out morale scores, or maybe it was a Dragon article. It makes for a nice bit of old school flavor, at least.
>>97949441>It would change so much.What specifically?
>>97952450Let's start with at-wills, encounter powers and dailies.
>>97953191So... per round, per turn, per day? (A fight lasts a Turn in BECMI, so per turn would cover easily for "per encounter" powers). In BECMU, a 36th level M-U can cast 81 spells, less book-keeping would be welcome. I've been toying with giving them less spells but gaining them back at Noon and midnight rather than after sleeping.
>>97953191Dailies as a concept are just how spells work. At-wills add on additional effects to standard attacks, like pushing an enemy. The main distinction would be how some classes have at-wills that deal damage in a small area, and some of the other considerations that result from being to toss out bursts of flame all the time.Encounter powers are the more distinct one, where the characters need to spend a mere 5 minutes of rest in order to get them back (on top of being able to spend resources to recover), but provided you're adding in dungeon turns to track, that does still come with a time cost, albeit a slight one. The biggest issue there probably is the at-will spells, which are stronger than 5e's cantrips in most cases. A quick band-aid fix could be to have generic 'components' that get spent in casting spells, in the same way 4e has rules for ammunition for bows and crossbows; or possibly giving limited uses of at-will spells, but recharging on a short rest.
>>97949200Nah, compare the base state block of a goblin in all the editions. You can run those the same every time with minimal effort,.
Running Essentials with booklets only is the closest you can get to normal dnd with 4e.
>>979538644e is so unappealing i would rather play 1e with all the silly rules gygax came up with that everybody ignores
>>97953901Yeah. I don't like the "hidden" math in 4e. There is this thing where if you don't take certain options or if your GM is singy with treasure, you fall way behind the curve. And the game is an asshole at a design level. You are supposed to threadmill monster levels to player levels so they never grow in relative power despite number going up. It's kinda like Elder Scroll Oblivion in that sense. However, my point is that the Essentials booklets did a lot of work to make the game feel more like DnD in structure and conventions.
4e with a good DM is one of the best times I've ever had playing dungeons & dragons.
>>97954340Elaborate why. I've never read the rules.
>>97949063>I recognize the wisdom of the grogs. So I come to you.Play games instead of amateur game designer. You're not smart enough to come up with a good game anyway.
>>97946748>3e was largely modeled out of 1e.>>97954340>4esweet an osrg im-a-retard-false-flag
>>97947132ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the least retarded osrg poster!
>>97948808it's fairly obvious troika is included as an osr-adjacent game, not an OSR game
>>97949063what's the actual question?
>>97957005>>97957009>>97957011>>97957014still thurstin
>>97957014I think its does anyone have an alternative to xp for gold or killing or tying progression to gear?
>>97961084>have an alternative to xp for goldyeah, not playing OSR
>>97962000go back to the throwdown thread
>>97962009if youre not using GP=XP, you arent playing right. How is this hard to understand?
>>97882907There's a 2e general, there's an OSR general. Get over it. Shadowdark and MB is not TSR era.
>>97961084>alternative to xp for gold or killing or tying progression to gear?are you the same anon?I guess your question is>are there other systems of character progression other than XP or gear?yes, I can think of a couplehowever XP-style character progression is the overwhelmingly dominant progression system in RPGs for a reasonalso I really don't see why you would pick this thread for such a questionI hope I helped thoughGod knows I was tryingI even deleted all the [many-many] occasions of addressing you as a retard
>>97962770not a single OSR game is TSR era because they were all made after TSR was kill, you retard
>>97962770No1curr
>>97962799Right? 3rd ed is one of the best osr games and its wotc era.
/todd/ is kind of a shit name.To start, all games discussed on this board are "traditional." And, its acronym is actually TOD&DD. And, overall, /todd/ is just not a cool or useful name.Old School Revival All is my proposition. Just straight forward, no frills.
>>97963465OSRA isn't bad honestly. TODD is fucking awful
>>97961084Well there's XP for particular character actions (study a magic artifact or break it for Barbs), behaving within certain racial archetypes (DS Elves are weirdly kuudere, Half Elves are clongy, Dwaves tunnel vision, etc etc)The trouble with those is that thungs can get very uneven very quickly, get annoynng for a DM to track and fosters a degree of competition among the party, whereas with XP from loot and/or XP from monsters can be distributed evenly without much complaint. Also>>97962015A Mr. Gygax would like to have a word with you ln this matter.
>>97963412you are a retardeither way stop calling old-school games "OSR games"that's pure schizo-talkOSRIC or For Gold and Glory are OSR gamesAD&D 1e or 2e are simply old-school games
>>97963465how about just>OSR thread
>>979637393rd ed is pretty old school, but is also osr.
>>97963739NTA but for sake of use 2e,2e and BX among other d&d games of the era are called OSR. Because OSR games are replicating them
>>97963748NTA but I think the osrg trolls cry to the mods and get threads removed of they just say OSR. I have seen it happen.
>>97963823you mean at the time when posts with proofs simply calling out osrg-tards on being retarded were deleted in mere minutes?Yeah, it's pretty obvious one of them applied for a janny position and abused his position to fight his personal grudges like a true redditor/discord-troon he is.It seems he got the boot since though
>>97963748Defeats the purpose of making NSR games and AD&D 2e on topic.
>>97963851He was there recently. I posted in osrg one type and there was an anti 2e argument going on. So I just stated "the idea that we isn't OSR is weird and not what you see anywhere else" or something to that effect. It got removed and I got a 3 day ban within moments.And so I am like, fuck that.I avoid that echo chamber
>>97963855NSR are still OSR, just like new shoes are still shoes.
>>97963465So after failing to raise your army against /osrg/, you're now trying to force a name change that will inevitably lead to conflict just so you can troll /osrg/ indirectly.Thanks, but no thanks. I don't want any drama, I only want to talk about games.Also /todd/ is a perfectly fine name.
>>97963855NTA but NuSR is just a sob category of OSR games. 2e isn't even NuSR but OG OSR bring pretty much the same system as 1e.
>>97963877NTA but Todd is not a good name, it's silly and does not seem to hunt at what it is. I know you want to avoid conflict but you can't as long as you dare talk about games the osrg wants to be banned.
>>979638782e isn't OSR, though.
>>97963815this is bad practice and it confuses dimwits who then go onto slippery slope of becoming osrg-tardsOSR is a gaming scene and it started in the 2000s after TSR era D&D books were already out of print.TSR era D&D = old-school D&Dgames that were created by the OSR scene and inspired by old-school D&D are OSR games
>>97963739At the end of the day, we can just apply a sort of Turing Test approach to the whole thing.If you describe the actions of a group of players without mentioning system or revealing the underlying mechanics, and it sounds like they're playing an OSR game, it's an OSR game.
>>97963887Go to the throwdown thread with your silly trolling. It's off topic here.
>>97963855kindly fuck off, retard
>>97963891The only difference in old d&d and done OSR games are who published it, and how bad the layout and art is.
>>97963883>you can't as long as you dare talk about games the osrg wants to be banned.This is a plain lie. Many /2eg/ and /todd/ threads have been created, and the only one trolling them has been (You), the autist who's constantly flamebaiting and trying to stir drama and raise a private army against /osrg/.
>>97963891>TSR era D&D = old-school D&DWrong.
>>97963907>The only difference in old d&d and done OSR games are who published itYesNow you are just a couple logical step away from agreeing with me
>>97963909>You Sign, there you go again son with your made up boogieman. It's pretty clear the osrg guys troll these threads hard, we have at lest two in this one right now and they are balls deep in the throwdown thread claiming pretty much everyone is is one guy.
>>97963909NTA, but why the fuck are you such a lame loser troll.If you want people to not post in your echo chamber, stop chasing after them and shitposting in their threads.
>>97963465>my suggestion is <name that deliberately starts shit with /osrg/>How about no, retard.
>>97963921It's all lumped into OSR gaming, because it's all OSR gaming.
>>97963877this, /todd/ sounds stupid and derogatory but most importantly it doesn't represent in the slightest what the thread is supposed to be about, that is a thread for all OSR and OSR-adjacent games
>>97963927The only person who'd get mad is you, specifically you, so we can just flatly ignore you and your opinions. Fuck off back to your echo chamber, you weird little troll.
>>97963932yes, playing old-school D&D is undoubtedly part of OSR gamingit doesn't make the games OSR thoughyou know because they were there before the OSR and because the OSR scene used them for reference/inspiration but at the end of the day didn't produce them
>>97963465When they bother with actually making reasoned arguments, their recent one has been "/osrg/ has no obligation to agree with the common definition of OSR because /osrg/ is its own thing". Renaming /todd/ to /osra/ technically fits within that argument. They'd still absolutely troll the shit out of the thread if the name is changed though.
>>97963927fuck off retardosrg doesn't hold IP rights to letters OSR>OSR threadwould be the most accurate description of the intention of the thread
>>97963923The goal isn't to actually have somewhere to post, you can see that by how little activity /osrg/ actually has at this point. The point is to be able to posture like 4chin agrees with their definition as a means of staking legitimacy.
>>97963883Just ignore the trollcow.It's so fucked up that he comes here to shitpost out of loneliness when this thread (and several dozen others) was basically made to avoid him, and then he even tries to pretend his opinions matter at all in this thread.Recognize that all of his posts are lies and attempts to manipulate people, and just ignore him.
>>97963966>They'd still absolutely troll the shit out of the thread if the name is changed though.I'm all for them wasting their time on thatjust make a new onethen make a new onethen make a new oneall while reporting off-topic and troll posts
>>97964002That's pretty fucking ironic.
>>97964011It doesn't help your argument to go "I know you are, but what am I!" all the damn time. It's obvious /osrg/ has been taken over by a group, not just one guy samefagging. Same way that fishfag isn't just one guy, but what they call everyone who disagrees with them.
>>97964011This thread is perfectly fine as it is. We're not joining your jihad, get over it. Talk about games or fuck off.
>>97964054no one asked you, retardgo back to your echo chamber, isn't that what you always wanted?
>>97964041Trollcow might have several bodies, but doesn't have enough combined brain cells to fill a thimble. No reason to treat him like multiple people.
>>97964058Please, just try to ignore him.
>>97964064That's idiotic, the whole issue with these guys is their blatant intellectual dishonesty. Don't stoop to their level.
>>97963966>They'd still absolutely troll the shit out of the thread if the name is changed though.They're apparently gonna troll it regardless. They're even here right now, so if the idea was to use a lame name they approve of to have them leave these threads alone, it's not really working out.
>>97964111You're the one flamebaiting.
>>97964158You really think you're gonna trick people, huh. >>97964101The problem is shameless behavior, and intellectual dishonesty just stems from that.
>>97964101>the whole issue with these guys is their blatant intellectual dishonesty.I agree but I will also not tell anon what to do
>>97951809to add it back, duh.if it being missing causes problems, then the obvious thing to do is make it un-missing.>>97951892>Morale rollsOo, good catch.>>97956731>You're not smart enough to come up with a good game anyway.That's the point of asking people smarter dumby.
>>97964111NTA but you can't appease the osrg trolls unless you never talk about anything but 1e, bx and ACKs and never contradict their revisionist history
>>97964332That doesn’t appease them and you know it. There’s never going to be a /1eg/ or a Gygaxian D&D thread with more than 20 posts, but if there were then they’d all discover that none of them are really reading the rules (this used to happen more often in /osrg/ back when it was more interesting).
>>97945413>>97946748Is that even reflavor? monks are only eastern flavored xaolin kungfu masters in asia-coded part of the map like Kara-Tur and beyond the Tyurzi Mountains. Everywhere else they're sparkling punch mystic.>>97946748>Like, it takes some squinting to even push Friar Tuck into that role, for instance.As it should. Because he's not an inner-alchemy monk, he is as his name suggests a catholic friar. This man does zero cultivation of his tao / qi / prana / vis vitae / anima / pneuma / rūḥ / ruach / livity / aṣẹ / mana / lebensmagnetism / odic force / sila / ka/ orgone / vril / aetheric quintessence, whatever your specific culture felt like calling the idea in your part of the globe.A monk is in effect an ascetic magic-user who aimed all his magical potential inward at his own body and soul to enhance them at the fundamental level instead of outward through memorized formulas to create spell effects. Which is why they end up with superspeed and reflexes, rapid self-healing, resistance to poisons and diseases, immunity to mind resisting spells, a bunch of permanent effects that resemble the effects of spells, and attacks that hit uncannily hard even taking the inherently nonlethal damage of bare hands and making them strike like a warhammer.
>>97964332why should ACKs count of all things? It has weebshit bladedancer instead of halflings.
>>97964555because the one thing that unites osrg-tards is that they are [nearly] all from acks discord server
>>97963734Yeah I've always liked the idea of rewarding XP for essentially class actions, but I agree it can be a headache to track and can get uneven pretty quickly. Unless there's some way to incorporate it where the XP is shared instead of individual.It's hard to get away from GP=XP though because it also incentivizes dungeon crawling/exploration so players aren't just farting around.
>>97964774I've found that the lure of magic items is much stronger than the lure of gold=XP if done properly.
>>97964704but then why come here to post? why not just stay in the discord with all their fellow ACKs players?>>97957014>what's the actual question?>>97949063>>I'm looking for balance decisions and mechanics present in older editions that solve problems newer games have because they abandoned the rule.
>>97964816not to mention gold can be used to acquire and make magic items, and is a lure in its own right.>>97963465>Old School Revival All is my proposition. Just straight forward, no frills./osrg/ wouldn't be a wrong title if the actual /osrg/ would just name itself /tsr/ which is what they actually are, since anything oldschool that's not TSR apparently makes you a FOE.Actually, huh, what if we just call it /foe/? Then people know exactly where to go when /osrg/ kicks them out.
OSR Throwdown III>>97964813
>>97964555It shouldn't, but they like that shit like the 2nd coming.
>>97964526>A monk is in effect an ascetic magic-user who aimed all his magical potential inward at his own body and soul to enhance them at the fundamental level instead of outward through memorized formulas to create spell effects.Might sound like nitpicking, but I'd say he's more like a psionicist.
>>97964526Orgone energy is nothing like the vril energy you halfwit, both can be cultivated separately and using different methods (plywood cube/beef broth).
>>97964002>you can see that by how little activity /osrg/ actually has at this pointIronic claim given that 2-3 /osrg/ threads have come and gone while this thread's been up and there are only about 30 posts ITT that have anything to do with games, while the rest is (you) seething about /osrg/ again.
>>97964869>but then why come here to post?maybe they are eternal neets with too much time on their hands and not a lot of social interactions so they instead pursue every online place they haven't been banned from as an outlet for their internal cries for help turned into bitter comments maybe they see it as some sort of holly jihad and obligationmaybe they are genuinely trying to shill ACKs on 4ch free of chargemaybe a combination and something elsewho knowsanyway if they aren't engaged in osr jihads their presence seems to be pretty low precisely because their main platform is the discord serverit's just that as soon as one of them sees ideological enemies" he cries for help and all others join him>I'm looking for balance decisions and mechanics present in older editions that solve problems newer games have because they abandoned the rule.are you trolling? that's not a question
>>97965111good, fuck off to your hugbox then
>>97964891/tsr/ wouldn't work because they exclude 2e
>>97965134how about the /parade-brigade/?
>>97965111NTA, but looking into those 2-3 threads shows a pretty bleak show from you though.You have a very characteristic style of “try-hard” posting, and since that just makes the thread look somehow even deader and more lifeless than it just sitting fallow, the last few /osrg/ have also included some incredibly mindless arguments with plenty of back and forth of just calling each post fishfag.You’re invested in making people think the thread is alive, and you’ve demonstrated you’re more than happy to spend hours just posting to yourself for hundreds of posts when you’re trying to flood a thread.I understand this board is a game for you, but man, some people just want to talk about games, and not deal with whatever the fuck you happen to be.
>>97963734>A Mr. Gygax would like to have a word with you ln this matter.About what, dipshit? I didnt say "XP-for-GP" exclusively, I said that if youre not using it, youre not playing right.Fucking moron I bet you dont even own an IRL DMG
>>97963823bro youre literally the ones who went running to the mods, and they told you all to fuck off. >>97963872>admitting to trollingnice>>97963873no, dipshit
>>97965471Incorrect son. I have never spoken to a mod. Also pointing out the osrg has a weird ass definition of OSR wasn't trolling. It was a gods damned observation.
>>97965488>son>y'all>godshey fake hillbilly faggot, why dont you try posting some images with an actual timestamp this time?You do know that a timestamp is not a filename or overlaid test, correct?
>>97965509I did and you were to stupid to read it. It's in the archives son.
>>97965488>osrg has a weird ass definition of OSRcool, so go cry about it. >wasn't trollingwhat the stated reason for the ban?>>97965718>sonLol. Fake hillbilly. Do you really think that a filename equals a timestamp?Post a pic with a real timestamp, jethro
>>97965731NTA, but check the upper RIGHT corner again.
>>97965718>>97965750>doesnt know what a timestamp isESL, stupid, or lying?Do you actually think digitally overlaid text is a timestamp? holy shit
>>97965750holy shit look, a picture of still-alive hitler from today, the """timestamp""" proves it!!!
>>97965750This guy is a troll. We all know he is a lying POS. He has in his head I'm faking how I talk for "reasons" that make flat earth conspires seem quaint.The boy asked for a pic, so I amused myself and gave him one. Wondering how he was gonna "explain" it.At first he was saying he was too stupid to find it. Now it's "fake". You can't reason with a fool that far gone.
>>97965902>asked for a pic*Very* specifically a time-stamped pic. Do you know what that word means?>I'm faking how I talkVery obviously, yeah
>>97965902>still doesn't know what a timestamped pic isFishfag the ESL retard pretending to be a hillbilly, ladies and gents.
>>97965902I think the funny thing is that it's literally and objectively timestamped.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TimestampBut, I'm actually kind of weirded out how committed he is to his whole... whatever the fuck he's doing.
>>97966076you must be real fucking new.Do you know what the purpose of a timestamp is on 4chan?Its to prove the pic being actually taken at that time, a piece of paper with the date, or a specific phrase.You know what *doesn't* authenticate an image?A filename, or digitally overlaid text. See >>97965769
>>97966076Yeah, we all know it's time stamped. I just took the pic to see what his dumbass would say. It's sad really
>>97966076>>97966129STILL doesnt know what a timestamped image is.Oh you poor sweet ESL third world retard.
>>97966129this one >>97965769is timestamped too! I literally just took it!
>>97966093That's not a timestamp you dumb motherfucker. That is a verification post. Learn what terms are.I await your spinning of this though
>>97966129>>97966076>>97965902>fishfag still replying to himself>>97966180>That's not a timestampCongratulation on learning how 4chan works, buddy!
>>97966129You mean a verification post. Sweet gods you are an ignorant motherfucker
>>97966180>>97966194>newfag finally learns what a timestamp isSeriously, how new are you? first week?
>>97966076It seems he meant a verification post. He is using the wrong terminology and is to stupid to understand that. The boy needs meds
>>97966210nah, youre just a newfag. stop replying to yourself
>>97966210>verification postthats expolicitly a reddit thing.what do you think the purpose of a timestamp is?do you think >>97965769 is authentic?
>newfag redditor exposes himself while typing a fake hillbilly accentl o l
Sorry y'all, I forgot which thread I was in. Will redirect this troll motherfucker to the throwdown thread
>>97966335no, how about you eat my shit instead, fake hillbilly accent newfag redditor?
>>97966607>according to 4 chan itself that is called a verification postoh yeah, where does it say that? I'll wait>you have indeed shifted the goalpostyou not understanding what words mean isnt my problem, newfag redditor
>>97966626go back to throwdown
>>97966641nah, suck my ass, son. daddy's home
>>97965134gygax wasn't part of 2e, what about /gygx/?>>97965509speaking as an actual hillbilly from kentucky, i think that might actually be ebonics.
>>97966776Gygax was part of C&C though, and those K&KA trolls HATE C&C.
>>97966815Truly the BROK&KACKSRers are a dark force indeed, fishfag.
>>97966815They like to ignore reality
>>97966863>ignoreThey treat reality like it killed their father and raped their mother. I've never seen a group so outright hateful towards truth.
>>97966776The guy this troll is responding to here.Son is not used with anyone born after the late 80s. It's an artifact of my age mostly as it used to be pretty common. That said it depends on where at in Kentucky you are. It's kinda like pop vs coke. Pre 2000 everyone in the area used pop. Now coke dominants.Y'all is common as fuck and you know it.Gods is because I am not Christian. So ya know I add the s on there and have for many decades. I shouldn't have to tell you the hell of being non Christian in the area can be. Honestly been happy to see folks grab back the granny traditions and such
>>97966894 It's the same logic you get from flat earthers and moon landing conspiracy nuts. They have made it a core part of Thier personality. Pointing it out is a personal attack on a deeply held belief.Groups like that seek others out and feed off each other in echo chambers. They cement Thier views as the one truth and if you disagree you are either fooled, stupid or worse, spreading lies that endanger the one truth
>>97964816true, loot in general is always a consistent motivator. but would you make discovery of magic items also give XP or would that be kept separate from level progression?
>>97966903You're a redditor newfag loser desperately trying to fit in, actually
>>97966922>People who don't like 2e in their OSR group are the same as flat earthers! Maybe on planet retard
>>97964555The bladedancer is a great variant of the cleric. You can make halfings following the judges journal. Also there are pre-made half lines in the heroic fantasy handbook as well as the players handbook.
>>97965217>actually discussing the games that are relevant to the topic is tryhardlmao faggot
>>97966903>Y'all is common as fuck and you know it.among blacks, appalachians, dixies, and larping queer californians.son is decidedly not californian zoomer lexicon, so that's out.west virginians don't have internet, they can't even get clean water.and nobody in bible belt is going to be a paganism themed fedora tipping atheist, and especially wouldn't consider paganism granny religion. When whites go neopagan, they have to go back to millenia-dead germanic, a la neonazi Asatru. But a black guy might have a pagan granny. Haitian Vodou is even making a popular resurgence in a modern pop culture.QED, it's ebonics.>>97966986if it's a magic item that adventurers can't make much adventuring use of, I feel like it'd be fine to give XP for. A portrait of a long dead noble that flexes when a beautiful maiden walks by? Sure, get some XP for recovering and studying the thing.If it's like a wand of magic missiles, that's clearly its own reward.
>>97967464>>nobody in bible belt is going to be paganYou are incorrect here. It was a bit of hell in the 90s and early 2k for sure. But we are around.In Appalachia Celtic paganism is pretty common. If you're from Kentucky you should know this. Unless you're western or northern kyAnd there are a lot of non Christian granny traditions. Hell even the "Christian" granny traditions have a lot of pagan traditions rolled into them.
>>97967495>banjo twangling muh Morrigan celtfagskek, what the shit
>>97967495warren countyI guess i ruled out appalachia too strongly, you shitposting from starlink or some shit? How are you paying for it over there with all the coal jobs drying up?
>>97967698You take one look at mothman and tell me that's not some fae bullshit.
>>97967698>>97967716NTA but I actually got dragged to a pagan wedding west of Roanoke.That shit was weird.>Starlink shitpostingThe real bad spots don't start until you get pretty far into the mountains. There are places where you can get the culture without so much of the horrors. These places also have hipsters though so it's a pick your poison situation between having your car torched during the night or listening to someone talk loudly about their orientation in public. Hard choice.
>>97967716Nah that's only in the deep hollars man. Ya know how some of those are, no cell service, only well water, you paid out the ass to get electric run up em.You are not wrong about the economic issues with the coal jobs gone. Tobacco too. When I was a kid those ran for miles and everyone had a dad or uncle in the mines. Hell I saw coal trucks roll daily and those multi mile long coal trains. Now you rarely see either.I only travelled though bowling Green a few times, mostly headed towards Clarksville. Never really stopped. Y'all are a different time zone on that side of the state and that is always trippy to me
>>97967739I went to a wedding deep in a hollar, great looking place but you aren't getting signal or anything. I could feel the banjos in the air.
>>97967751youve never even been to the usa, wannabe>>97967495>pagan larpy'all a literal newfag redditor that doesnt even know basic 4chan terms, son
>>97967751>Also Google "verification post on 4 chan" you will get just what I did, as it's been called that for decades son.got any proof of this?
>>97967899here's an example of a properly done timestamp all the way back from 2013, newfag
>>97967899
>>97967934youre the newfag who thought a timestamp was overlaid text, you bozo>>97967944>involving a handwritten notenot digitally overlaid text.
>>97967899>Rule 32: You must have pictures to prove your statements/Anything can be explained with a picture. Explanation Pictures with timestamps are popular means of showing something is "real" on 4chan due to the ease of someone just using google to find an appropriate image then making things up.https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RulesOfTheInternetIt's such common knowledge even TV Tropes knows it.In fact, here it is mentioned in a scientific paper in 2011https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Timestamping-lets-users-circumvent-technological-barriers-to-guarantee-identity-Source_fig2_221297869
>>97967961>I showed you were it was called verificationLOL>Also Google "verification post on 4 chan" you will get just what I did, as it's been called that for decades son.wrong, see >>97967899>>97967973Pretending that you knew the whole time what a timestamp is, is a bad look, fake hillbilly.
>>97967976>>97967947>nuh uh, I was the one who had it rightwhat kind of gaslighting bullshit is this?
>>97967976fishfag thinks that if he tries to reverse everything he gets called out for, that people will forget or get confused.Dont forget:-fishfag is desperately larping as a pagan hilllbilly>fishfag posted a pic with overlaid text as a "timestamp"-referred to a 4chan timestamp as a "verification post" (exclusively a reddit term-is now playing damage control to obfuscate this
>>97967987>>97967988>samefagging this hard
>>97967987>ill just pretend like a retard!Nah, son. You not knowing that 4chan doesnt accept digitally overlaid text as a timestamp, isnt getting spun.Youre a literal newfag-redditor that's larping to fit in.
>>97967976>>97967987>>97967988>>97968004YOU HAVE A THROWDOWN THREAD, STAY OUT OF TODD
>>97967999meds>>97968006lick my gaping shit pipe, son
>>97967999>"""""""samefagging"""""">6 seconds apartare you fucking shitting me fishfag?
>>97968006Shitting up this thread is his goal
>>97967999how does someone samefag within 5 seconds?
>>97968020well yeah, because FUCK YOU FISHFAG :D
>>97968034Wait, I thought I was a totally new poster son? Which is it you dumbass,it can't be both.
>>97968034>calling ME fishfagdo you have some kind of identity crisis???? YOU are fishfag.
>>97968045maybe, but 2e still slurps diarrhea
>>97968020I thought fishfag made a /todd/ because /osrg/ kicked him out for wanting to talk about 2e and NSR, why would he sabotage his own thread?
>>97968058Everyone is called fishfag. The guy who made Todd even picked that stupid name not to "antagonize" the osrg trolls. It always devolves into both sides calling everyone fishfag .But the troll, is trying to kill these threads. I made the original throwdown thread because trolls try to kill any thread talking about OSR stuff that isn't the osrg's weird revisionist version.Don't believe a damned thing if folks are calling folks fishfag. It's just trolling and off topic arguments
Let's try to get back on topic. Acending or decending AC. Which do you like better and why.
>>97968076Sorry son, but y'all in my house now.And Daddy's home, so pull off my boots and pop on my slippers, cuz I'm about to make your gums give me a hum
So, according to some guy, combat in OD&D and Holmes is supposed to be like>guys move>guys shoot>guys who got into melee trade melee blows until everyone dies or retreats
>>97968087AAC, there's a reason why thoughtful designers like Kevin Crawford abandoned descending for AAC, it makes the game loop more agile.
>>97968320I personally like AAC, it seems to run a little faster with easier math.
>>97968283Cool, but what are you actually trying to say?
>>97968076>Folks >Y'all>Son You literally exposed yourself as a redditor that has no idea how the website works, why are you trying so desperately to try and tell us what we can and can't do in our own space?
>>97968341That this is apparently like the shooty guys shoot once, but the punchy guys will fight until basically everyone dies. Everyone i know has resolved one move, one ranged and one melee. but according to old faggots, it is one move, one ranged and all the melee trades that you can take.
>>97968370... Are you under the impression that archer formations will continue firing after melee has engaged?
>>97968109>Sorry son, but y'all in my house now.
>>97968371no, i was under the impression that melee guys trade once. Not forever.
>>97968047Fascinating, so you can't actually provide a receipt of what you are claiming? Now here's the part where you say that you are just too good to actually post evidence of what you are claiming.
Hey lads, just here from /osrg/ to say; thanks for continuing to tell you-know-exactly-who to go stick toothpicks under his toenails and kick a curb.We appreciate that you're not giving in to his attempts to get you to start shit with us.You fuckers are alright and while I might never respect Börg Börg, I respect you and would buy you a beer if I could.
>>97968403So you're seriously telling me that you're under the impression that once melee is engaged, each side attacks once, and then they just what, walk home? You are genuinely not even worth helping
>>97968648Cheers anon. And yeah, no sense in continuing to argue when everyone has the threads for the games they want to discuss. That's what the board is for, and that's what matters most.
>>97968058Fishfag hates /todd/ like he hates /2eg/. He's spent multiple threads shouting that /todd/ and /2eg/ do not exist and Anons should invade /osrg/ again. Now he's going for the "new" approach of trying to get Anons to go to war with /osrg/ by making a copycat thread that looks like /osrg/, something the mods explicitly told him not to do on IRC.He doesn't actually play games not does he care about AD&D 2e, the only thing he cares about is trying to disrupt /osrg/.
>>97969216>He's spent multiple threads shouting that /todd/ and /2eg/ SHOULD not existt. phonefagAlso notice that one of his (retarded) tricks to try and make himself less recognisable is to call people who call him fishfag fishfag. He's the literal autistic retard who hates /osrg/, hates ACKS, hates The Night Land, and has crazy conspiracy theories about everybody who's had enough of him being the BrOSR. And, again, he doesn't actually care about 2e or any other RPG.
>>97967733It's not some fairy bullshit. You speak with the exact level of knowledge of what that would entail that I'd expect out of someone who uses the word "fae".
>>97968370>the punchy guys will fight until basically everyone dies.Source: your butthole.>according to old faggots, it is one move, one ranged and all the melee trades that you can take.Source: Your butthole.
>>97969216To be fair though, this thread was genuinely completely dead and on bumpfag life support until Fishfag posted >>97963465 and then went buck wild yesterday. It had 30-something posts, now it has 300. So as much as I hate to admit that he has any point whatsoever, it's true that /todd/ is basically dead in the water as a functional thread. This is just another Fishfag seething outlet, like his other there-was-an-attempt OSR threads.
>>97969309>This is just another Fishfag seething outletHe has to seethe somewhere, that's his whole purpose on /tg/, and he's made it his whole personality.The question is not whether he trolls a thread, but what thread is unfortunate enough to have to deal with him at any given moment.
>>97967464>If it's like a wand of magic missiles, that's clearly its own reward.I like that, that makes sense for randomly discovered magic items. And if you want to turn it into XP you can always sell it. Any "plot-related" magic items I'd probably give XP on top of it and they can either keep the item in question or use it in service of the plot (give it to a collector or something) for a boon/rep.>>97968087Ascending AC for me as well. It ends up being more intuitive and easier to play with.>>97968403I don't recall exactly but there's a more wargame-y ruleset that simplifies melee to what you're describing. Either it's a single powerful creature that can kill a PC or multiple weaker creatures ganging up on one PC to kill but it's all resolved in a single round if melee is engaged.
>>97967464>Sure, get some XPSo you're saying you don't actually play the game?
>>97969505Hey, could you do everyone a favor?Could you explain what it would take to make a thread that you didn't appear in?People keep trying to get away from you, and you keep following them, and you spent a couple dozen posts now trying to tell everyone the voice in your head is the problem instead of you.Ignoring you just makes you run your mouth uninterrupted, shaming you just makes you reappear in a later thread trying to pretend you've forgotten how you embarrassed yourself, and giving you your own containment thread just made you feel arrogant and entitled.People want to get the fuck away from you, but still talk about OSR and not require some special code for people to find these non-you OSR discussions. That's the current problem, and you're giving no one any solution other than praying for your death.
>>97969239Hi Fishfag!
>>97969619Go somewhere else you fucking loser freak
>>97969309no shit it's deadhow the fuck should anons figure out that a thread named todd is supposed to be about the entirety of OSR sphere + OSR adjacent games?just call the next thread "OSR thread"
>>97969645That's an option many people have taken. They've left this board because of you.
>>97969529>And if you want to turn it into XP you can always sell it.which system?I'm mostly playing B/X and clones and in those it would be against the rules
>>97969645LOLyou can just feel Fishfag malding!
How do you all feel about race-as-class?Or do you prefer race-and-class?I like race-as-class but I think having some archetypal options unique to each race would be more interesting. Like a tanky shield dwarf or a berserker dwarf instead of just dwarf.
>>97969663I've grown to understand race as class as the better designed option for old-school D&D specifically
>>97969651/tg/ is not your personal armytalk about games
>>97969640>>97969662>Fishfag trying to call everybody else "fishfag" in hopes it will make his nickname go away.'Not how it works.
>>97969679>>97969684Fuck off, Fishfag
>>97969663I think the idea to just split them into separate components is the smart move, and the idea of "make a bunch of superfluous classes for each race" is an idea that comes from an idiot of a designer. If you're going to change up the formula, at least change things up in a smart way.
>>97969711>make a bunch of superfluous classes for each raceDisagree, personally I adore race-class-combined, it ensures that race is actually a unique factor and characters of different races are defined by it rather than it just being a stat bonus and some minor abilities.They're only superfluous if you think of it as fighter-dwarf rather than DWARF-fighter.
>>97969684I remember when he started claiming that the guy who wrote the fishing story was actually the one everyone was calling Fishfag.He's remarkably insane.
>>97969749The "stat bonus and minor abilities" that 3rd edition used ended up being a far bigger deal than intended. Any race that had a penalty to the class's main stat was never selected: ie. no half-orc wizards. But, as time went on, any race that didn't have a bonus to the class's main stat was also almost never selected.Finding the right balance of how a race impacts a class and vice versa is a challenge and something only a good designer can do, but it's easily the smarter option if the goal is to give players options and for things to make sense.The idea that a DWARF-fighter should be different from a HUMAN-fighter doesn't require a brand new fighter class, especially when fighters are still going to share many of the same base components between them. A designer really has to isolate, refine, and define what makes a dwarf a dwarf and a fighter a fighter, and that's where skill as a designer shines.
>>97969795That's great and all, but can you answer >>97969619 already. Or, better yet, just fuck off.
>>97969795fuck off Fishfag
>>97969822>You have to be the same person because you're mad at meHere's my top sekret tip for avoiding threads where people are mad at you and call you names;Ready?Listen close boys and girls.Stop being a fuckhead everywhere you go and maybe you'll stop making quirky new enemies at every turnIf you can't handle that particular revelation and immediately started typing "Nuh-uh, I'm not one person, you're one person" then I can't help you and, more importantly, nothing ever will.
>>97969837>Stop being a fuckhead everywhere you go and maybe you'll stop making quirky new enemies at every turnYou're literally in a thread made specifically to avoid you. Shut the fuck up with your projection.Either give a reasonable way for people to not have to deal with you, or admit you're nothing more than a cancerous stain on this board.
>>97969846>This thread exists purely to avoid youAh fuck off, you bitch and moan and whine and kvetch about how no one can speak for the /osrg/ apart from the fucking Lorax, but the second it's convenient for you over here in /todd/ you start screaming about how you're the Senate?You are and always have been the problem.Choke on it until you die.
>>97969846your are trying to be reasonable with a sick manit won't worklet me show you how it's done>>97969837fuck off Fishfag
>>97969836Usual attempt to scapegoat your nickname onto other people.Anons can go back in the archives and literally see the first time it was used vs the first time you went "No-no, this is your nickname :)">First time "fishfag" was used in an osr thread:https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/95551347/#95571998
>>97969846>You're literally in a thread made specifically to avoid youIronic, coming from fishfag, the guy who spent multiple threads shouting that /todd/ and /2eg/ shouldn't exist and Anons should raid and troll /osrg/ instead, getting told by literally everybody in the thread to fuck off, and calling everybody who refused to join your personal army "trollcow" until a mod stepped in and IP nuked 60 of your samefagging posts.
>>97969856...that's how you're trying to pivot?Once you realized you couldn't just try and No-U anymore, you just went for a butt-flustered bit of whining?Do you understand yet why people are trying to avoid you? And you just can't let them be, because one echo chamber isn't enough for you, you need to shitpost until everyone decides this board isn't worth having to deal with you.
>>97969872Honestly I really do think the nickname is the crux of it.Think about it. If he just laughed, took it on the chin and went "Yeah, I guess that post was a bit stupid, guess I am the fishfag." then what would the result be?People would josh him hard about it for a while but eventually it'd probably stop being used and he'd stop being identifiable by it.It only exists by this point because this is 4chan and people know it pisses him off based on the evidence, therefore it keeps being used.All it'd take, at any point during the last 18 months, was a thimble of humility on his part.But nah, better to put all his chips on being actual, honest to god, bug fuck insane and engage in gay ops to avoid admitting he was ever wrong.It's hubris, the absolute need for victory over reconciliation.Shit is wild man.
Since fishfag is trying to foist his nickname on others, now's a great time to post the movie with his "best of"
>>97969872>>97969886>>97969892Fuck off Fishfag
>>97969901LMAO fishfag is desperate
>>97969886Do you remember with /2eg/, the guy making the OP literally said more than a dozen times that he was making the threads to avoid you? That he'd rather sandpaper his skin than post in the /osrg/ anymore?And you still showed up in every single one of those threads?Do you understand the irony of "Someone said making threads to avoid me was useless, and I'm right in the middle of proving them right"?
>>97969817>The "stat bonus and minor abilities" that 3rd edition used ended up being a far bigger deal than intended. >Any race that had a penalty to the class's main stat was never selected: ie. no half-orc wizards. But, as time went on, any race that didn't have a bonus to the class's main stat was also almost never selected.That was more a flaw in 3.X's stat balancing and uncapping stats. By going from racial stat adjustments being +/-1 to +/-2, giving out +1 bonuses every 2 points in a stat and then uncapping stats, racial stat bonuses went from having a slightly easier time getting an 18 in a stat to 25% better with that stat than any other race without that stat bonus.
>>97969899Have a related screencap from the other side of the supposed discussion
>he's having yet another meltdownAnd then he acts like he's surprised that people are going out of their way to try and avoid him.
>>97969892Yeah, all it'd take for his nickname to go away is for him to talk and act like a normal human being instead of a fish-mongrel subhuman hybrid.His problem is that he's too mentally damaged to act normally.And he has a defective theory of mind, so the techniques he uses to make his nickname go away, like calling everybody else trollcow, fishfag-fag, "no you're fishfag", brosr, acksshil, and so on, only reinforce his identity as one singular, easily identifiable retard.Same with the fact that he's unable shut up whenever ACKS or The Night Land is mentioned.
>>97969915You've already played the "meltdown" card, fishfag. In fact, you've played it so many times that an Anon has made a meme out of it, that I have saved and will now dutifully reshare.
>>97969817>The "stat bonus and minor abilities" that 3rd edition used ended up being a far bigger deal than intended.Yeah but it's still purely a +1 or -1 type deal, generally and for most races outside of LA adjustment territory.I think "Dwarven Vaultguards can only use this small selection of weapons, in return they get huge bonuses to AC if using a shield and do 2d6 slur damage against greenskins (Range 30"), elvish fighters can't use any weapon that isn't graceful and/or elvish made, but they get increased bow range and bonuses for reciting poems about their lost homeland during fights up until the point where the crying like a bitch penalties outstripes them, while human fighters get to use anything and have the "Fuck the barmaid" ability which lets you not pay for accommodation for the night in return for rolling a risk of having to pay child support" is more interesting than "All fighters can use all weapons, dwarves get +2 con, humans get +2 Protagonist, elves get +2 dex"
>>97969905>Do you remember with /2eg/, the guy making the OP literally said more than a dozen times that he was making the threads to avoid you? That he'd rather sandpaper his skin than post in the /osrg/ anymore?Link the actual thread, fishfag. Let everyone see what your shenanigans were there and how literally everybody was telling (You) to fuck off while you were having a literally autistic meltdown and calling five or six different anons "trollcow" until you got IP nuked by the mods.
>>97969919On the bright side at least he's stopped doing a bad yokel impression.All I could think of when he was Son-Posting was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lbDffcBam8Difference being Slim is competent
>>97969930>please don't call me out when I'm having a meltdown!Why does every post you make always have to have some sort of lie or deceit involved?Like your whole "If you do something that really upsets me, I'll try to force a dumb meme about it" way of telling everyone what really gets under your skin while you do your hardest to pretend otherwise?Your actions just said "I'm so upset that I had to spend time and energy making an image to show how upset I am", and you think people are going to instead take you at your word.
>>97969941The thread with an accurate prediction of what would happen with the /2eg/? Where it would die because everyone would realize the only people bumping it would be the exact trolls that the OP made the thread to avoid?
>>97969934>I think "Dwarven Vaultguards can only use this small selection of weapons, in return they get huge bonuses to AC if using a shield and do 2d6 slur damage against greenskins (Range 30")What game are you quoting from? Dwarven Vaultguards from ACKS II are pretty well balanced and well designed. They're different enough from human fighters without being superior or inferior.
>>97969944>People are mocking me. That means they're madYou must live in a remarkably angry version of reality then.
>>97969944ironic
>>97969952Love it how you keep making shit up about that thread instead of linking to it, fishfag.
The dude pretty obviously just woke up in some US timezone and immediately started spamming a thread that was specifically made so the posters he doesn't want to see in osrg can have a place to post that isn't osrgWhat do you call this mental illness?
>>97969944>Can't tell the difference between people making fun of him and people having a meltdown.Fishfag is a literal clinical autist with a defective theory of mind confirmed once again.
Also, interesting observation time.Notice how both this thread and /osrg/ are both incredibly civilized whenever he isn't around?I'm not even talking by 4chan standards. People are generally cordial, positive, polite to each other unless stupid questions are asked.Hell even when stupid questions are asked I've seen people apologize for being too sharp when answering them.It's remarkable, the amount of damage a single dogshit bastard can do given enough time and energy.
>>97969964Nice try at dodging the point.
>>97969979>notice how hollow and dogshit the /osrg/ has become, that even the trolls that killed it don't want to spend any time there and instead chase after the people who are going out of their way to avoid them?Go back to your containment thread.
>>97969663Only played race-and-class editions, but race-as-class looks like it would make for quicker fun games. Really a matter of which one you're in the mood for.
>>97969662Okay, that's correct, now please kill yourself
>>97969679>/tg/ is not your personal armyYes it is and I will continue to talk about whatever the fuck I want in whatever thread I want until you leave, fishfag
>>97969822How about instead of us doing anything that you request, we all circle around you and bully you like the fucking loser that you are?
>>97970185Really, answering his questions only for him to ignore the answers is the most entertaining part.Watching him scream "You have no answers, you're just trolling and stupid and made of poopy and-" because he got an answer he didn't like, then going into his copium huffing chamber gives us a bit of peace for a while.Someone explained to him a few threads back why 2e wasn't OSR as such (No offense lads) and the differences that'd been made to make it not so and rather than taking it on the chin he started going "Nah, those differences don't count, they're minor."The only minor he's allowed within 100ft of, am I right, lel.
>>97969663I hate race as class. It's a deal breaker to me
>>97969943No, that is me y'all think is fishfagbfor "reasons". I was asleep. Ya know folks do sleep
>>97970202>Someone explainedsurely you can share a link to the archives if it really happened?
>>97970483Yep, no problem;https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97932852/#97941745Watch him try to dodge again now someone has called his bluff.
>>97970501>https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97932852/#97941745>it's xp for gp againnigga XP for gold is literally described in the rulebooksstahp already>In OSR games XP comes from gold, which drives the game towards being about 'How do I find more gold', with the logical answers being exploration, negotiation, fighting, getting creative in how I interact with the world (The ol' dwarven vault door trick), ... or just given to you by grateful peasants because you saved their daughter.also let's pretend for a bit I don't agree OSR games should have xp for goldhow exactly is this a good argument for xp for gold?>exploration -> gp -> xp>negotiation -> gp -> xp>fighting -> gp -> xp>solving puzzles -> gp -> xp>resolve quest -> gp -> xpthen gp is just an extra layer to be rewarded xp, so what changes if the DM just awards you XP when you found some place, handled negotiations, defeated a monster, solved a puzzle, or resolved a quest?you know what, I'm just going to say itit's not a coincidence Dragonlance and Ravenloft and storyshitting started with AD&D, it's because the rules facilitated thatod&d and B/X XP system is the true OSR XP for gold system.
>>97970574>As an option, the DM can award XP for the cash value of non-magical treasures. One XP can be given per gold piece found. However, overuse of this option can increase the tendency to give out too much treasure in the campaign.>As an optionYou get 2e's hardest battles because you are its most retarded soldier.Which is remarkable given the game probably came out the womb before you did.
>>97970583I'm sorry anon were you taught what "an option" means wrong on purpose as a joke or something?it doesn't mean "you are prohibited" just so you know and now you can stop this circus
>>97970632his mother was probably like>it's an option to touch this bare wire, little anonhe learned his own meaning of "it's an option" the hard way
>>97946975>>97947023>>97947544I'm quite regularly disappointed OSR books continue the "tolkienslop" of D&D where it's totally up to you to make your own milieu but dwarves and elves and hobbits (lol) are THIS thing and demihumans NEED to get overpowered benefits so they NEED to get their classes restricted and progression locked, and also humans NEED to make up the only extensive lawful civilization, but it's totally your own!Basically all I want is an old school system that places different playable humanoids on equal footing concerning what assumptions are made about the milieu. As it is right now I have to reverse-engineer any book first.
Last time I'm posting to avoid shitting up the thread too much but>2eoids are incapable of understanding that optional means "Main modules, settings and knock on rules won't be designed around it">2nd order consequences? Never heard of themThe fact you get so assblasted over this will always be fascinating. People aren't even saying 2e is a bad game, or making a judgement against it.They're not even critiquing it, but apparently "This game is not designed in a way that's conducive to OSR gameplay" is enough to sandblast your front holes.You ever considered that something can be a comment or observation, rather than a personal criticism?Right, I'm off to go post elsewhere.
>>97970892NTA but it's not "OSR gameplay" you mean a subset of OSR gaming as 2e is in fact an OSR game. What you mean in gygaxian gaming which is not the same thing as OSR
>>97970892moar leik>main modules don't have an obligation to use that ruleand yes, this is correctnothing stops you from a playing a 1e module with 2e rulesbooks though because it's basically the same gameand may I also remind that storyfaggetory and anti-thesis to old-school play started with 1e MAIN modules, not 2e modulesare you going to say 1e is not old-school because its MAIN modules were storyfaggetory?
>>97970935>it's basically the same gameWrong
>>97969654Wow, really? Many people who want to push a false definition of OSR have left the board because of our insistence on the unambiguously correct definition of the term? That's great! That's a much better outcome than I had ever hoped for.
>>97969892I think the tipping point was when anons figured out he was the same autist who screams insanely at every mention of WIlliam Hope Hodgson. He very obviously panicked and flipped out in that thread, and started to try to just post confusing shit in order to muddy the waters in a blind panic for lack of other options. He's been trying that tactic ever since.
>>97969956kek
>>97971034Know the funniest thing about that?For all he denied it, we've not heard a sausage in any thread where Nightlands has been mentioned since he was rumbled, have we?
>>97969663There's some appeal to it, but it makes more sense when the races themselves are potent enough to justify it.If the dwarf class if functionally just a Fighter with some extra HP, then that's not really doing anything that just making a Dwarf race with class restrictions is doing. It needs to be significant differences.
new thread>>97971224>>97971224
>>97970481>Y'all >Son>FolksFuck off with the fake hillbilly affectation already you loser
>>97970574>XP for gold is literally described in the rulebooksLOLIt's given as an optional rule, and then tells the DMS that they should not use that rule.And because the game does not use that rule, the entire stocking and treasure ecosystem collapses in on itself trying to accommodate this.You don't play games so I don't expect you to actually care: but kindly fuck off now
>>97970574>so what changes if the DM just awards you XP when you found some place, handled negotiations, defeated a monster, solved a puzzle, or resolved a quest?Because you are no longer playing D&D you are engaging in what is known as storyshitting, aka Calvinball.
>>97970632Interesting, an option that the game specifically recommends that you not use, and then does not give you the option of altering what else it does recommend you use. Curious!Instead of doing all of these changes to the rules, why wouldn't I just play a game that already includes the rules I want?
>>97969658I wasn't thinking in any particular system honestly, just musing about the process. I'm not super familiar with B/X but my understanding of the loot process of earlier editions is that magic items can either be classified as treasure to be sold or used by the party. You wouldn't get XP necessarily for selling "used magic items" but can still get the gold.But all that is based on how you do GP=XP, whether that's through the calculation of XP by treasure value or somehow transforming gold into XP through training or carousing.
>>97970049it also makes those races feel more alien and unique.>>97970733if you count it as OSR, it is at the very least TODD, Worlds Without Number isn't super Tolkieny (or Vancian, for that matter).It does have elves and dwarves, but they're not classes they're for lack of better term, a feat, and they're not very tolkieny the dwarves are basically antimagic incarnate and the elves are immortal reincarnaters that sometimes just pop out of the ground fully formed and whose past life can potentially possess them almost like the Avatar State if they're in major distress or they try to remember too well. It also has several other curse-blighted demihuman races too, like Anakim, Houri, Halfmen, and Drudges.https://tesera.ru/images/items/2287261/worldswithoutnumber-free.pdf
>>97969562as a DMing decision.>>97969658it's not against the rules if you sell it as loot immediately as part of the initial gold as xp for that expedition.you just can't do it later after the tally.
>>97970481*"Nah, that's me ya'll reckon is fishfag for some fool reason, bless yer heart. I was busy sleepin'. Ya'll do know folks sleep, right?"ftfy fake.
