Errata Edition>>IF YOU ARE ASKING A QUESTION, PLEASE SPECIFY WHICH GAME YOU'RE PLAYING<<Previous Thread: >>97802804/pfg/ (pathfinder 1e) link repository: https://pastebin.com/RSt0rF0T/p2g/ (pathfinder 2e) link repository: https://pastebin.com/1zySxwm3/sfg/ (starfinder) link repository: https://pastebin.com/5yp9s2U3>>CHECK THE SHARE THREAD FOR MATERIALS<<TQ: What role in a group are you most drawn to? What would you like to try out?
Starfinder looks fun
>>97886070Post Paizo goblins
1ewithout spells, how do you make a flying creature fall to the ground? and I mean actually flying where a net doesn't reach, something like 60ft away pelting arrows/magic bolts at you
How do we feel about Pathfinder 2e's hyper-campaign-specific archetypes like the Pure Legion Enforcer?https://2e.aonprd.com/Archetypes.aspx?ID=377The Pure Legion Enforcer archetype has two main uses cases. One, you really, really want to make the most of Treat Wounds and Battle Medicine. Two, the campaign is, whatsoever, stuffed to the brim with divine spellcasters (e.g. a significant number of fiends and undead), and you really want to stick it to them.The first of these two use cases is not particularly campaign-specific. Take Pure Legion Enforcer Dedication, pick up the Medicine skill feats, maybe into Medic Dedication afterwards.The second, on the other hand, takes a very specific type of campaign to pay off. Sure, a successful use of No Gods, Only Mortals! feels great when it works... but unless the majority of encounters are against divine spellcasters, it is just warming the metaphorical bench as a 10th-level class feat. The same goes for Repelling Enforcer at 18th.What do you think of this type of archetype design?Also, the 20th-level capstone class feat, Mortal Possibility, is shamefully underwhelming.>You made yourself into a paragon of mortality and prove that deities aren't needed to achieve greatness. Choose a skill you have master proficiency in. You become legendary in that skill. In addition, you gain a skill feat of your choice for that skill. The first time each day that you succeed at a skill check with that skill, you gain a +3 status bonus to your next skill check of any skill within the next hour.This would be good as a maybe 16th-level class feat. 20th, though? No.
>>97886223Tanglefoot arrows.
>>97886223Tanglefoot Bags and ordinary throwing nets immediately spring to mind.Or if you're really desperate to do it at extreme ranges then use Tangleshot Arrows and just keep pelting it until it fails a Reflex eventually.https://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment/weapons/weapon-descriptions/ammunition/ammunition-bow-arrows-common/ammunition-bow-arrow-tanglefoot/Potentially brow beat your GM into allowing the save DC to be incremented with repeated hits from the arrows (like injury poisons for example) continuing to apply more glue to the target.Or even convince your GM that flying creatures who are blinded might try to land or accidentally descend, and use Smoke Arrows:https://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment/weapons/weapon-descriptions/ammunition/ammunition-bow-arrows-common/ammunition-bow-arrows-smokescreen/Or use various kinds of called shots (Ultimate Combat variant / optional rule subsystem) to injure the victim in a way that would force it to descend:https://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/other-rules/called-shots/
>>97886223>>97886310Also, dealing any damage to a flying creature forces a fly check, and knocking them prone/reducing speed to 0 in any way.
>>97886257>Let's gate existing skill feats behind a shit dedicationAlso the resistance and thorns feats should be gained earlier.
>>97886327I'm not sure there are any RAW ways to inflict Prone from 60 feet away without spells... except for Ranged Trip? https://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/ranged-trip-combat-targeting/There are probably a few obscure magical items that create gusts of wind or something like that, but the save DC will probably be as low as a tangle foot bag.
>>97886327>and knocking them prone/reducing speed to 0 in any waylike how?
>>97886405I presume you mean Godless and Mortal HealingThey're not gated, if they were, they would have had archetype trait and dedication as prerequisite. They don't, so you can just take them as is. I think they're included in the archetype so they count as two feats to get you out of it. Honestly neat idea, they should do that more
>>97886257At least the feats do something and that something is actually tied to the flavour.Which is more than I expect from Paizo.
Necromancer with witch archetype for familiar focus, cackle and eventually ceremonial knife. Good idea? Bad idea? Idea I should wait until necromancer is released fully to try?
2eQuestion that came up during my last session of TotT. So we were fighting an Oathsworn and it hit me but we have a redemption champion and they were able use their champion reaction to block all of the damage. We ruled that I would still take the persistent bleed damage. Is that the correct ruling or should me not taking any damage from the attack also negate the persistent bleed?
>>97886541see>>97886414
>>97887003Depends on the ability, but I would rule that no instant damage taken = no persistent damage.
>nobody invests on climbing and swimming but me>always struggling to climb what gm puts in front of me>the moment I become good at it he just makes a 10 hour flight token for like 200 gp a pop (nothing money) so all my ranks and feat mean nothing Hate my gm and this game sometimes
>>97887651Reminds me I was playing a large character and found myself having to Squeeze through every environment we encountered. I got the Contortionist feat to Squeeze at full speed, and have literally never had to Squeeze again. I mean, I guess the feat solved the problem either way. I'm tempted to retrain out of it to see if squeezing comes back.
>>97886852Definitely wait until Necro is out before trying this unless of course your GM is chill enough to either let you keep using the playtest rules (if you think theyre better) or id you think the campaign will end before necro is fully released.With that said, I think it should work fine even with playtest rules. Just make sure to pick a non occult patron to expand your spell list through scrolls and such.
>>97887003Unfortunately there arent any rules for that kind of situation except for injury poisons, where if the attack fails to deal damage the poison is not applied. I think its fair to rule if an attack deals no damage then riders should not apply but its something your group will have to rule on one way or another.
https://2e.aonsrd.com/feats/1764-electromagnetic-hoverAm I missing something or this feat does fucking nothing? Hover already lets you ignore difficult or hazardous terrain, why the fuck would you pick this other that as feat tax for Fly at level 9?
>>97888734There's a certain amount of utility in being able to avoid ground-based stuff without needing to use a Fly action every round, but that's a pretty situational benefit, and once you get the level 9 version it basically replaces this in 90% of situations you care about. I'd call it mostly a feat tax unless I'm missing something too.I kind of get the same vibe I do with the PF2e Hungerseed Oni Form feats. You get a super wimpy version at level 1 that only really serves a roleplay purpose in letting you transform into your Oni shape out of combat, then you get the "real" version of the feat at 9.
>>97888815>unless I'm missing something too.Yes, Urogs already have a natural hover speed, this feat does nothing for them, forget to say that
2e. So, for a dual-class game I'm building a Magus/Wizard, and decided to give Runelord a try with the free archetype. I want to do Laughing Shadow magus for fluff reasons, but hit a bit of a stumbling block: namely, pretty much none of the Runelord weapon options are both finesse and one-handed, which is what Laughing Shadow is kinda built around.Do I......bite the bullet and spent a racial feat on Unconventional Weaponry so I can use the Filcher's Fork, even though it's got d4 damage and requires hanging out with halflings?...bite the bullet and just use a 2-handed weapon like the Dancer's Spear, even though that means foregoing Distracting Spellstrike and +2 damage from Cascade? This *would* give me reach, too....bite the bullet and use a non-finesse spear? It would mean rejiggering my build quite a bit, focusing on medium armor over light, but I'm not as attached to being a DEX build as I am to Laughing Shadow, even if high-STR low-DEX doesn't make as much thematic sense for it.
>>97888843Oh wow. Yeah as far as I can tell that feat's just a replication of the Hover trait. I'm baffled too.
>>97886257I dunno, if you use free archetype ability that makes three skills at legendary instead of only two, a free skill feat for the skill, and a free +3 bonus usable for an hour later. That's a potent abilityBut what do I know, I only run games for people.
>>97888849Magus can theoretically get around a lot of the problems with Filcher's Fork because spellstrikes give the spell attack damage, so the d4 of the weapon won't be as awful as it would be on some other builds.
>>97888849Filcher's fork is the way to go, because the bonus damage from Arcane Cascade helps the1d4.
>>97888849As the other anons said, filcher's fork is the play. Not just for the Cascade damage, but also Backstabber gives you +1 damage vs off-guard, which you'll face a lot of with Distracting Spellstrike. That more than makes up for the lower damage die. Not only that, it's even a thrown weapon, so if you tossed some big 2-action wizard spell, you can use your third action to throw it for decent supplementary damage. All that's more than worth a racial feat.That said, I do sympathize at not wanting your epic runelord to use a halfling weapon. Maybe ask your GM to refluff it as an ancient Thassilonian javelin-wand or something.
>>97888887>if you use free archetypeIt would generally be stronger to use free archetype to pick up a high-value 10th-level class feat from somewhere, like the fighter's Agile Grace or Tactical Reflexes.
Planning to run the Spore War adventure for my group. Would it be too chudly to race swap queen telandia's husband/fiance? I just dont care for it
>>97889408Its your game, do whatever you want. In my Golarion shes married to a chad elf who was part of the group that completed the Second Darkness AP.
>>97889445i mean yeah, "beautiful elf queen who is interested in opening up to the outside world and is looking for a husband" is pretty much tailor-made to be part of a high level PC's postgame happily-ever-after. Of course, modern Paizo is too pozzed to allow such a thing, so they made her marry some random black guy.
Got in like right as the last thread was about to expire, so I'll ask again here.Looking for class ideas (1e) to make a character with some sort of flexible mutation powers. Shifter seems like the natural choice, but we all know what problems come with Shifter.I'm not dead set on animals for shifting forms, being able to warp into some sort of patchwork protean freak creature a la pic related is the idea I'm looking for.If there are some 3pp options that would help me bring it to life, my DM is usually open to those. I've seen the Legendary Shifter and the Protean Mutant archetype seems kind of right, anyone have any experience the Legendary Shifter?
1eHow this part works? from 10th rank signature skill on Acrobatics:With a successful DC 20 Acrobatics check, you treat an unintentional fall as 10 feet shorter plus 10 feet for every 10 by which you exceed the DC, and treat an intentional fall as 10 feet shorter for every 10 by which you exceed the DC.Normally is:A DC 15 Acrobatics check allows the character to avoid any damage from the first 10 feet fallen and converts any damage from the second 10 feet to nonlethal damage
>>97890864Make check, reduce fall damage based how well you did in the check.Not that complex.
Pf2e threads should be in non-traditional games
>>97890955My question is why the feat asks for higher DC when with normal rules on a lower DC you do the same?DC15 you reduce the first 10ftWith the feat and 10 ranks on a DC20 you also reduce the first 10ftSeems weird
>>97890973Sorry, on a dc30 if you were jumping (an intentional action), so is even worse than I thought? over dc15
>>97890973You can stack both effects by separate checks.
>>97890973I think theres some confusion here.You can normally only try the DC 15 check to reduce damage if you intentionally jump, there is no Acrobatics check to reduce damage from an unintentional fall. So the Skill Unlock is letting you reduce something you normally can't.As for intentional falls, the DC 15 check doesnt scale while this does, but you can still try the DC 15 check if you dont feel youre going to benefit from the unlock.
>>97886070I'm usually stuck as the tank/support and/or face of the group (Pathfinder 2e in this case). I don't mind it, just most groups I play with don't take initiative as often to move the game along or can drag out rp a bit too long. But when they do take initiative, I'm glad to be able to take a back seat on talking to npcs and occasionally chime in with important details since I usually take abridged notes. I would like to try out more spellcasters since when I picked up pf2e about a year or so ago after the shitshow DnD 2024 turned out to be, I was very hesitant to give them a try over the martials, but after seeing other players showcase what they can do, they peaked my interested. Same deal with the sorta outlier classes like Investigator or Kineticist (looking forward to when the revised version gets released with Necromancer later this year)
PF2e. My players have figured out that a 4 Fighter party using Strike every action actually solves most encounters. Now they're telling me they all want to reroll to Fighters and I'm afraid they'll just bully all my encounters.How can I stop this?
>97891718Throw something at them with high AC or resistance to physical damage. Worked for me when I threw a grick at my lower level party and their barbarian couldn't one or two shot it like a lot of the things in the dungeon. Also doesn't hurt to sprinkle on an extra 10 or so hp to creatures so they don't feel like wet toilet paper being run through by a chainsaw of martials and something that can either reactive strike them back or has some sort of regeneration that they can't solve just by hitting it really hard like a troll without that silver bullet from fire/electric damage.
>>97891268My recommendation would be Witch or Animist. They are the best full casters imo and both provide plenty of unique and powerful options. For something a little less overwhelming, Sorcerer would be fine too.>>97891718Assuming this isn't bait, just toss in a dude that can inflict Confusion or Control against them. Bravery doesn't work on non-Fear Will saves and what goes around comes around.Or just stomp your GM foot and say no class stacking.
>>97891897Will that actually work? I think Confusion is actually worse for casters. Fighters can just arrange themselves such that their only valid target is the enemy, and then they're doing what they want to do anyway.
>>97891952This works less when there's 4 of them all competing for space and safety range. Unless they are all ranged (which would still make them all valid targets to each other), the only real safe option in such a scenario is to fight a foe one at a time, which negates much of what makes Fighter so omnipresent in every encounter. Sure, you don't need Abomination Vaults' level of claustrophobia, but many monsters can easily outrange, outstack, or penalize your scenario with proper room space. Just don't give them a literal white room and you should have enough counterplay to at least give them a challenge, if not cramp on their obvious anti-GM fuckery with a Control spell.Command, Laughing Fit, Slow, Lose the Path, Wall of Stone, and Synesthesia are all valid options too.
>>97891952How would fighters (or just martials) arrange themselves though? Confused states target selection is completely random and the GM can just make you Stride to get into attack range or swap to a ranged weapon to shoot someone.
>>97891989>>97892001Fair enough. So the enemy needs to be able inflict Confused, but it also needs to be tough enough to survive what will probably be at least couple Fatal crits on their first turn. The players are level 6 so their hypothetical fighters will actually have pretty good Will saves. So it also needs DCs high enough to overcome that.Is there anything that would work for this or will I need custom monsters?
>>97892052You don't need just *one* enemy. A good combination of mooks and spellcasters can easily work to provide challenge. Hell, an ooze, a ghost, or other crit immune enemies is enough to make them reconsider their 4 Fighter Fiesta plan while a spellcaster hits the heart of the party. It is easy for /pgg/ and associates to get all caught up in the white-room issues of 2e. I think, as a GM, it is good to learn how to break that mindset in even the most munchkin-y of people if you want to remind everyone that it isn't about winning as it is having fun together. But if you don't think your encounter building/AoN-troving skills are up to snuff, then the best solution is to simply ask if they doing this to have fun or to just say "god I wish I was playing another game"?
>>97890132Not sure about 3pp, but shifter could still work. Fey Shifter allows you to transform into a large variety of gross creatures, grow wings on them with Fey Aspect, and add another mouth with Mutated Shape (the feat). With some multiclassing you could also add claws, a bite, or a serpentine tail as class features can be added to polymorph effects. I think you can get out most of what you need with just 6 levels of Fey Shifter if you take Shaping Focus. I'd also consider Startling Shapechanger with the Intimidate skill unlock to build into the theme. You transform into a hideous abomination and the enemies who witness it lose their nerve and runs away screaming.
2eWhere the fuck can I see the rules for Automatic Rune Progression? I don't want to make an account on foundry just too see what the fucking variant rule do
1eLooking for cheap (9000 or below) magic items that grant stats that don't use head or belt slot and that grant resistances that don't use cape slot
>>97893773Ioun StonesOtherwise you will need to either craft custom items, or use questionable imports from dnd3.5
>>97893849I meant stuff like that snake skin shirt that gives you +2 dex and +2AC as a shirt leaving belt slot free.
>>97893261It's just ABP minus skill bonuses. Hints in the name: it's just fundamental +1 and basic striking runes.
>>97893998No, it isn't. ABP removes all item bonuses, including alchemist items, kineticist shit, etc, while ARP leave all that shit in, supposedly. I want to check the exact wording and the table that shows when you get things.
>>97893986Resistance to saves is valuable because there are no spells to replace them (other than protection from evil). But there are level 2 spells that give +4 enhancement to any ability score and barkskin for natural armor. Shield of faith is a level 1 spell slot. At a given character level, you cannot beat the bonus these spells provide with your WBL if you equipped an item with those bonuses. It's only very late game that you can afford better.So buying equipment to give you enhancement to ability scores, natural armor or deflection are literally just wasted money. Noobs see the bonus and thing they have to have it. Veterans know better. It's vastly, vastly better for your character to buy equipment that helps to address a weakness or expand their toolkit in some way. Static bonuses to your numbers just do not fucking matter until you're past level 12 and only about 8% of all groups ever make it that high.If you're running into an issue where you are realizing that you shouldn't have dumped your con or something like that, the correct solution is to not fucking dump stats like that in the future. If you're rolling for your stats, then your GM is supposed to be taking that into account... by not taking it into account. If you're rolling for your stats the entire point is that there's a risk of rolling bad stats so you have to deal with that on your end. If the GM accommodates whatever you have, then there's no risk so there's no point in keeping track of stats in the first place.
>>97894246I'm asking for items that grant the usual big6 that go into another slots exactly for that, to have the good slots free for stuff that rather give us immunities or similar. And because there's a 9k cap on what we can buy we basically have 150k just laying there unused
>>97894246Mate, I'm not gonna spend four lv 2 spell slots in a day on Bull's Strength just because your bum ass fighter is too cheap to buy a belt. >>97894311Yes, there are ioun stones for that. 8k for a +2 in each stat.
>>97892212yeah, you should ensure that everyone has fun, for example by designing absurd encounters specifically to punish their party composition. you fucking retard.
>>97892052Fighters have below average saves compared to most other classes so throw some spellcasters at them. This will be their face when you also throw a 10ft up flying enemy at them. I actually cant imagine my abom vaults party making their way through the dungeon without a cleric or wizard.
