If you cast Fireball at the ground it has a radius of 25 feet instead of 20 feet. Ergo a properly designed dungeon should have mesh floors so that the fireball will miss the floor entirely and whiff. No lich worth his salt would let any adventurer get away with such a cheap trick so easily.
>If you cast Fireball at the ground it has a radius of 25 feet instead of 20 feet.No. Why would you think that?
>fireball will miss the floor entirely and whifffireball does not miss
>>97925587That isn't how that works. The radius expands outward from the point of casting. It doesn't matter if you cast it at your feet on yourself or somewhere else. It's a 20-foot sphere. Also, fireball doesn't "miss". It's not an attack. it's a Save, and even on a success a target takes damage.>A bright streak flashes from you to a point you choose within range and then blossoms with a low roar into a fiery explosion. You aren't literally throwing a ball of fire, you're picking a point within range and causing a massive explosion to appear from that space. Even with a mesh floor, if the point you choose is "at your feet" then it's gonna go off there.
>>97925587How could *I* cast Fireball?I am not any of my characters.
>>97926217>even on a success a target takes damageDamage, which reduces endurance, fighting stamina, and luck, remember?
>>97925587In real life, a fireball within the walls of a dungeon would be devastating. The fireball has nowhere to go, so all the energy is compressed by the wall. The sound of it is several times louder, it sucks out the air and fucks ups your ears and lungs.
>>97926217>It's a 20-foot sphere.So you only play 3e or 5e.>>97925593I think he's relying on a 25 foot radius hemisphere and a 20 foot radius sphere being the same volume to within a couple of percent. It might not apply in 3e and 5e but in 1e and 2e>the burst will generally conform to the shape of the area in which it occurs, thus covering an area equal to its normal spherical volume. [The area which is covered by the fireball is a total volume of roughly 33,000 cubic feet (or yards)].>roughly 33,000 cubic feet—thirty three 10' x 10' x 10' cubesIn an open space with a horizontal floor, if we assume a spherical dome centred at height 5 feet, torso height, it would have a radius of about 22.997 feet, A hemisphere sitting on a 5 foot high cylinder of equal radius would be about 22.94 feet. Both about 23 feet, which would both probably equate to about 25 feet again on a typical game map. I'm really not interested in modelling in any more detail how a magical fireball would undergo expansion to maintain its volume near a plane because the shame, the shame I don't understand the dynamics of expanding magical flame spheres that exert little pressure.
>>97926628>How could *I* cast Fireball?Lighter and a spray can
>>97925587Megumeme is the worst main girl. I want to sexually disappoint Aqua.
>>97926217You are sending a small pearl, about the size of a fingernail (exactly as on a necklace of fireballs) flying toward the designated point. It can be steered to some degree, and rules for doing so even through a small opening like a keyhole are provided. Once it reaches the point designated, it blooms into the full size fireball.Delayed Blast Fireball remains in place as the tiny pearl, until the explosion is triggered.A grated floor would not be sufficient, as the explosion is never triggered by impact, but by pre-designated target or delayed trigger conditions.
>>97925587why are fireball-casters such bitches to yunyun though?
>>97926885No, for many, many reasons. The most important of those reasons being MAGIC DOESN'T EXIST.
>>97925587I'm pretty sure the "Fireball" Skill from my game doesn't have a radius of either 25 or 20. At its best, it can be dispersed in 1 10×10 Space to cause Damage & Burn Chance to 1 Feature of each Foe in that Space, or to cause Damage & Burn Chance to all Features of 1 Foe.And if we're talking Lichs, Fireball (and all non-Cleric Fire Skills in general) is a bad choice against Bone Foes, because Fire is severely reduced, or Negated in the case of Witch-based Fire Skills.
>>97925593>>97926217>>97927496>>97928553>>97928862This board is kind of bad. The OP is a good DM, you are all boring and smoothbrained.
>>97926217>Also, fireball doesn't "miss".>you're picking a point within range and causing a massive explosion to appear from that space. Depends upon edition. In AD&D it can be blocked.>A streak flashes from the pointing digit and, unless it impacts upon a material body prior to attaining the prescribed range, flowers into the fireball.That's a badly worded rule. If it doesn't impact a material body the streak turns into a fireball at the designated position but that description leaves out what happens if it does impact a material body and that's critical omission.That "unless" is a negative conditional. It's equivalent to writing "it blossoms into a fireball unless it impacts upon a material body prior to attaining the prescribed range". The negative of it turning into a fireball is that it does not turn into a fireball. The rule as written doesn't provide any other effect upon impact such as "if it impacts upon a material body prior to attaining the prescribed range then it explodes at that point of impact". If it meets that negative condition and hits an obstacle, the spell fizzles. 2e fixed this omission by including>an early impact results in an early detonationBoth editions of AD&D allow for a fireball to miss in someway. The size of the streak isn't stated but it's reasonable to assume that the streak is small like a tiny ball of bat guano and sulphur, however big that is.>>97928535I can't be bothered looking up other editions but in AD&D the Necklace of Missiles isn't described in great detail, size of its balls in some way indicates power but no specific size is given. What edition has the necklace of fireballs?>small pearl, about the size of a fingernail You have a woman's hands. Medium pearls are at least 7 mm but the even the smallest finger nail of a man is normally wider than that.
>>97926885More of a Scorching Ray.
>>97925587whutmaybe you'd have a point in some sort of hyper-simulationist, exactly-calculated shit that makes Rolemaster look like 5e, but the rulebooks are pretty clear on the matter and plainly state that the radius of a fireball is the given radius regardless of whether it's airburst or ground-impacting, which in D&D is 20 feet.
>>97926636None of those are stats.>>97926768No, but that's how it is in 5e/5.5 aka the most well-known and currently popular (even if /tg/ will cry otherwise) RPG.I don't particularly care about any edition of D&D anymore. I can make my own system with my own rules and I don't need to rely on corposlop, especially corposlop that makes me deal with fluid dynamics or what have you. Keep it simple, stupid.
>>97932257>No, but that's how it is in 5eMaybe, but not in the fireball spell description from a few years ago I looked up where it said only 20-foot-radius sphere, nothing about 25-foot-radius hemisphere. Could be a later revision before 5.5 but I only looked up 5.0 for completeness when I didn't remember it from 3rd or earlier. (You need to exercise a little caution. By knowing what it says in 5.5 you're more up to date with the corposlop than I am.)>NoI'm going to say yes and you just don't know it because the rules writers did the number crunching without explaining it in the book. They're just lucky that D&D had a 20 foot radius sphere for fireball because it's nowhere near as close for a 15 or 25 foot radius starting sphere.>Keep it simple, stupid.I did. Just recognize that the four thirds pi part for spherical volume will cancel in the division of the two volumes. This gives 25^3 / 20^3 which is easily figured out as (5 / 4)^3 = 125 / 64. It's then halved as it involves hemispherical volume in the numerator to give 125 / 128. That's 3 parts in 128 different which is less than 3% less than unity hence my estimate of same to within a couple of percent. Not everyone's good at it but I can manage a short mental arithmetical equation like that if you give me two or three hours and one of those newfangled slide rules the engineering department says everyone's going to be using one day.
>>97932257>None of those are stats.That's HP, you mongrel.
>>97930642Cry harder.
>>97926768Yes, those are the only editions.
>>97925587Nah.
>spell violates laws of conservation of mass and energy>it also violates a number of laws of thermodynamics>"b-but it should t-totally obey th-these other laws of physics I-I attribute to it!"You dense motherfucker.You absolute maroon.
According to the AD&D 2e rules he's right.
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>>97927496based
>>97926768>>97935346this assumes "perfect" hemisphere - what if there's a ceiling and nearby walls? what if there's furniture? what about volume occupied by bodies of those in the area of effect
>>97935904>what if there's a ceiling and nearby walls?Well, that's the origin of the "I didn't ask how big the room is, I said I cast Fireball" meme.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/CA_lXCX53i0
>>97935904>what if there's a ceiling and nearby wallsAs already quoted, 1e and 2e conserve volume. 3.0 and 5e, though according to corposlop anon not all of 5.0 and not 5.5, just say 20 foot radius without any conservation of volume.Pic related is a sketch scaled to the illustration in 3.0 PHB, assuming that the distance in the PHB is 20 feet from centre to rightmost edge of the affected area.Star is the centre. Red disc is 20 radius. Orange arcs are 20 feet from the centre, measured piecewise around corners where necessary. Blue are the edges shown as affected in PHB. The grey squares are 10 foot square grid so you can estimate area if you want.Black outlined squares are where I could fit 10 foot or 5 foot squares inside (or almost completely inside) the orange arcs. There are the equivalent 6.75 of 10 foot squares. Maybe the equivalent of another 0.25 could be fitted in. Assuming that the dungeon is 10 feet tall, there should be 33 such squares to make the 33 10 foot cubes AD&D already worked out. Since only 7 fit either it's a 45 foot tall dungeon or 3.0 doesn't conserve volume.The way the blue lines are drawn suggest that the PHB illustrator tried, but failed, to take into account distance measured piecewise around corners.>what about volume occupied by bodies of those in the area of effectAsking about walls and ceilings is reasonable. Asking about the displacement of people and furniture to increase the extent of the fireball is you taking the joke too far.
>>97931970Not even close.
>>97934251You're one of those guys who think (you)s are bad right, because... reasons... but I can only assume based on the made up green text that you're addressing me. Too shy to do it directly. I understand.>You absolute maroon.Of course I support Queensland. 8 in a row and currently 25 to 17.>You dense motherfucker.Yes, I do fuck the mother of my children. Not a word she likes to use much, fuck I mean, not children. Words she does use are hard and thick and stiff, but I don't believe she's ever used dense. I'm not sure anyone talks about density in that regard outside of biologists and doctors.Thinking about it, collagen has a specific gravity around 1 but muscle is significantly denser and human blood is slightly denser than water. With increased blood flow I think her saying "you're so dense" would be a compliment but I doubt I'm going to bring it up with her when she brings it up.>>"b-but it should t-totally obey th-these other laws of physics I-I attribute to it!"You fool. You fell victim to one of the classic blunders, the most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia", but only slightly less well-known is this: Don't treat science as universally prescriptive.Science is descriptive, it's predictive, but it's prescriptive only to the extent that we can quantify outcomes, what can happen, not what should be done. I described a very, very, very simple observation, based on someone's comment about fireballs in a rule book I haven't read, that a 20 foot radius sphere and a 25 foot radius hemisphere are very close in volume. That's a description, not a prescription. It exists as a fact but no one in this thread said it had to be that way, I just used my big (not that size matters much there), smooth, soft brain to figure out that a relationship happily existed.I know why you're shy. It's because you think about my sex life and my "density" too much. Thanks but no thanks.
>>97930642Samefag.
>>97933049Hp is meat points, it describes how much meat you can affors to lose before you cant function
>>97936833This better be ai-written
>>97936833You are your own brick wall. Talking to you is a waste of time.
>>97938079I'm pretty sure AI isn't that good at being smugly funny. I'm also pretty sure that you're butthurt right now, fag.
>>97938123That is my first post replying to you. Thats too much effort for really lame shitposting, so i thought it would be at least reasonable if it was ai
