Under The Sea Edition>Previous>>97909534>Pastebinhttps://pastebin.com/WiCHizn0>Mediafirehttps://mediafire.com/folder/s9esc6u7ke8k5/CofD>Mega Ihttps://mega.nz/folder/ePQ1BKhJ#RCosRCh59Ki2Mpb1M9H3Uw>Mega II (also containing fanmade games)https://mega.nz/folder/ZbQ2zLJA#DOT-3df6rS2lLet4_RmqJQ>5e Megahttps://mega.nz/folder/7rQQ1LbQ#16_AiXVGo0P3_rVOJuoZyA>VtM to VtR fan translation guidehttps://mega.nz/folder/LhYTUD7b#cRDFTcMXSB_2TjD7eJoE5Q>STV content foldershttps://pastebin.com/9i9zhydQ>General Creation Kithttps://mega.nz/#F!FWJgBTbb!f7d5rARWHYzuI8-8aI-Bxw>Ideas: BJ Zanzibar's WoDhttp://167.99.155.149/>Anders Mage Pagehttp://mage.gearsonline.net/anders/>White Wolf Wiki:https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page>Thread QuestionHas anyone been a part of a nautical adventure? Have you ever fucked a mermaid?
>>97925669>Has anyone been a part of a nautical adventure?No.>Why?Sorry Aquaman fans (all three of them) but the sea is just not interesting as a location for a story.
>>97925669>Has anyone been a part of a nautical adventureNo but I really want too there is a bunch of cool hooks like, Project Deepwater the pentex/ Void Engineers under water colony a big white under water pyramid,Or vampire bs with the water so deep no light gets there. you could do it as a modern day cruise ship that gets mass embraced with the pc needing to go underwater or Victorian age pirates(hunter) that are trying to find treasurer only to get caught up in a lasombra vampire hunting them from the dark water below them,Vampire not need to breath makes it cool, you could do a steampunk sub made out of wood.maybe just a group of modern pc on a cargo ship trying to get across the sea only for there ship to sink so they are forced to go under or burn on top of the sea. like a fish out of water story maybe there was some vampires on the titanic when it sankidk you might think those are shit but they could be cool, what about you anon? is there some cool underwater lore I don't know about?
>>97925751I'd like to think the RT would regret this after a while when she realizes the wolf doesn't actually have a personality she can relate to
>>97925825RTs are probably very lonely, lonely for Garou who are already a lonely race. Bickering and wailing until the day when there is no one left to howl and sing for Luna.
>>97925751that sounds sweet, she wants to get human population down by love.>>97925877a lot hate humans for not being a proper predator and they also hate wolves for being weak.
>>97925901>Hate humans>Hate wolvesRT wish they could be Metis only I suppose
>>97924852Well, there are RT like Strongest Son who convinced other Garou and animals to hide from hunters whenever they come through. The idea isn’t to leave the area, but to deny them any game so they eventually stop coming to hunt there. I think an RT like that could work in most games.Maybe it’s just that kind of non-human perspective people don’t want to deal with.>>97925901>>97925923The RT who think like that also hate themselves for not being able to do more about it, so I don’t know if they’d even want kids.
>>97925632what part of it do you want to use for a game?
How do we make Wraith: the Oblivion playable?
>>97925969>playablein what way? it is right now
>>97925969Rape.
SEX WITH RED TALONS!
>>97925960>non-human perspectiveI guess that's a pretty difficult part to roleplay properly, that's like a super-autist perspective that's somewhat going to be mindful of higher concepts but also just willingly ignore them as irrelevant. It's an interesting RP but I can see why (mostly) normal players will find that difficult.>>97926082Imagine sex and then the belly rubs, they'd kneel to human supremacy after
Are there things that make garu separate from their standard counterparts? Like if they're born human and go wolf form, is there some way they're different from a regular wolf or, could a red talon be identified in human form?
>>97926082Scratch them behind there ears!>>97926115>a super-autist perspectiveYeah a small bit of my self thinks that is why Ilike them
>>97925969It's plenty playable but if you wanted to lower the entry of it, just making the Shadows an ST responsibility would make it a lot less complicated to play for players.
>>97926082>domesticating a rowdy RT gfmmmmmhhh
>>97926082Force a red talon into human form and take her to a steak house to embarrass her.
>>97926173>>97926169>Make her go homid form just to engage in pet play anywayThese are Pentex ploys
>>97926183>Force a red talon into human form and take her to a steak house to embarrass her.I just want to give her a nice steak and see her be uncomfortable in her homid form
>>97925669>Has anyone been a part of a nautical adventure?No but I have some ideasTorpor tomb raiders - coterie hired to retrieve or they just choice to go get a elder from sunken sarcophagusCruise ship mass Embrace - new fledglings trapped on sinking vesselLasombra literally manipulating darkness in deep ocean trenchesThe Followers of Set have ancient sunken templeTzimisce flesh-crafted sea horrors: Deep-sea research stations where Tzimisce have been experimenting with marine biology. Think biohorror merged with anglerfish and giant squidGiovanni and shipwrecks: Necromancers raising entire ghost crews from famous maritime disasters. The wreck itself becomes a floating Shadowlands anchorNosferatu sewer-to-sea networks: Major coastal cities where Nosferatu warrens extend into underwater tunnel systemsOil rig isolation horror: Coterie sent to investigate why a Ventrue-owned platform went dark. Wraith mariners: Play as ghosts of drowned sailors trying to prevent a Malfean entity from using a sunken WWII battleship as an anchor pointOil spill Wyrm corruption - spirit of entire oceanic dead zone manifesting physically
>>97926231>Cruise ship mass Embrace - new fledglings trapped on sinking vesselThat, but with one of those adult-only ships.
>>97926191Wrong, you will take her to a hidden BSD hive after she got drugged with steak-banes in the steak house and watch the metis making process. This felt too much like metamorphosis, I'm sorry.
>>97925669>TQplayed a hunter oneshot that became a 3shot about fighting vampires on a cruise linerPart murder mystery part...resident evil revelations
>>97926231>>97926267Fuck, that sounds like a kino horror game. Rapture-esque.
>>97926267oh yeah >More victims in isolated cabins, >Everyone's already intoxicated/impaired, >Fledglings waking up not knowing what happened>>97926274you could set it in the 1920 for more art deco and no sat phones
>>97926269>that was like metamorphosis to the point I already feel sad
>>97923031Mages would be made into some sort of espers akin to Nen Users or Jujutsu sorcerers from HxH and JJK and have general mechanics as to how their flavors of mental powers operate over reality but also have unique powers so as to allow for different types of shonen larping
>>97926367>you could set it in the 1920titanic type setting for that would be funours was actually set in the 70s, poseidon adventure style
>>97926417that does sound good, I feel like you can write most resident evil games into a world of darkness setting pretty easy>>97926231>Tzimisce flesh-crafted sea horrors: Deep-sea research stations where Tzimisce have been experimenting with marine biologytell more?
>>97926231>Tzimisce flesh-crafted sea horrors: Deep-sea research stations where Tzimisce have been experimenting with marine biology.We Dagon now.
Do real life phenomena ever inspire you? A few years back, jeez I think nearly a decade ago now, I had this idea of a Malkavian with an affinity for cameras due to them providing "clarity" in his normally schizo-hallucinatory life, though his deep connection to technology leading to cctv systems corrupting and recording events in places that shouldn't have cameras or through cameras that shouldn't work, y'know freaky ghost cameras basically. He was inspired by a person with schizophrenia who uses his phone's camera when he thinks a person he's talking to isn't real, since they never show up on camera.
>>97926739Not related to your question, but did you read that Requiem Shadow Cult - the Moulding Room (from the Mekhet clanbook)?
>>97926739>He was inspired by a person with schizophrenia who uses his phone's camera when he thinks a person he's talking to isn't real, since they never show up on cameraI know a guy who does that,we can be talking he goes a bit pale then looks at his phone records then right back to talking,good guy
Unironicaly, redpill me on Hedgefag. What was/is his deal and why do you still care that much?Judging by some of the archived threads he seems to have stopped posting years ago, so why still bring him up?And why are you so weird about him?
>>97926849a mix of lust and humor from mocking said lust
>>97926130The only features that are consistent between forms are metis deformities, battle scars and dedicated items.A Glass Walker with a dedicated suit might still have a cravat in lupus form, or a Bone Gnawer with dedicated jeans might have a Levi's patch sewn into the skin of their hind leg, or a Get of Fenris with a dedicated AK-47 plus rifle sling might have a collar with a miniature rifle dangling from it.Otherwise, lupus Garou in homid form and homid Garou in lupus form just behave a little unusually, unless they've really acclimated to life as a species they weren't born as. The former might be a little feral and autistic, the latter might behave like an animal raised in captivity and be a little helpless.
>>97926952>a little feral and autisticHOT! you only make me want a RT gf more
>>97926082RD propaganda is not even trying to hide it's true motives.
>>97926983>RD propaganda is not even trying to hide it's true motives.Are you telling me a lonely RD posted that to make people want to fuck her?
>>97926958When I say feral and autistic, I'm not talking about a manic pixie dream girl who playfully growls at you and needs everything explained to her like you're teaching a child. I'm talking about a hirsute woman with terrible posture and an aversion to basic hygiene, who struggles to express any emotion other than anger and has a fight-or-flight response to eye contact.It wouldn't be pleasant.
>>97926987It was posted by an RD but not a Red Talon.
>>97926384... Can't you do that already by playing someone who can only cast rite spells?
If a character in Chronicles has 3 Stamina, and the player wants to raise it to 4, that's 16 XP, right?
>>97927003Yes but that type of realism is easily set aside for an anime like fantasy.
>>97925901A lot hate humans for wiping out wolf populations, and hate wolves for not being strong enough to not become another casualty in the one sided war between wolf and man. Not every lupus becomes a Red Talon, but every lupus that does will have a story of personal loss and tragedy.
>>97926952I have never heard dedicated clothing being described like that in any of the sourcebooks or fiction.
So..uh, one of my friends sent me this. Apparently, from the Forbidden and Forgotten Orders aka M20 crafts book.I love it but also hate it. This is probably the most overpowered merit in existence right?
>>97927180One of my favourite lupus pre-made characters is from the Bone Gnawer tribe book.>born and bred in the appalachians>transforms into a big burly ginger>steals some clothes to go explore the city>does manual labour in exchange for money that gets spent on booze and wrestling magazines>ends up with a bad bunch and does a bunch of leg-breaking for them >eventually gets found by other garou and does the leg-breaking for a good cause instead>still doesn't give a damn about anything but booze and wrestlingGarou don't have to be complicated.
>>97927204Paradox in general isn't that bad in M20, so it's not super OP, but generally you should limit merits like this to the faction it's assigned to (Taftani in this case, fuckers)
>>97927204Ah, I get it. It is balanced by the fact that Taftani has been rewritten as those who respect minorities, women and use technology.
>>97927104Second Edition? XP costs are flat there, so it's just 4.
>>97927199These excerpts are taken from the Rite of Talisman Dedication from every edition exception for W5, because it doesn't have it.The Rite of Talisman Dedication has always involved dedicated items either being resized to fit the Garou, or merging with the Garou in a way that leaves the dedicated items visible in some shape or form. The book just doesn't give the same examples that I gave.
>>97927237Forgot the image.
>>97927204Not really, this general over-hypes the consequences of Paradox and what vulgar spells are capable of. Also if your ST is an asshole, once you're rolling more than five successes on your Paradox dice, he could just choose give you the Burn instead of giving you Paradox Flaws, negating half of the merit's benefits.Also, there are still the narrative consequences of performing vulgar magic even if you receive no mechanical consequences. The Technocracy isn't going to let your mage get away with lobbing fireballs in a nightclub even if Paradox gives them a pass.
>>97926138Fuck that. If playeroids can't try to become better players they don't deserve to play a high level concept game like Wraith. Back to the lowest common denominator DnD they go.
>>97927296Look man, I don't see how the ability to just...sink a city or drop a meteor or time travel without suffering Paradox once a scene isn't overpowered.I mean it fits Taftani, since they literally consider Coincidental magic cowards way but eh.
>>97926231>Think biohorror merged with anglerfish and giant squidI think Leviathan the Tempest has stuff like this too>>97925877>Bickering and wailingMy ST asked one of the players what an RT moot would look like. He said, "Kinda like the opening scene of Lion King but with lots of growling and howling".
>>97927443Can just rule it that the types of spells that are always vulgar don't count for that merit. Think most reasonable players would consider that a fair compromise.
>>97927443I mean, at most this allows the mage to negate twelve points of Paradox once per scene, if it's a vulgar spell that requires five dots in a sphere being performed in front of Sleepers and again, this doesn't negate the narrative consequences of vulgar magic. Constantly taking advantage of this Merit to do reality-bending shit in front of Sleepers every scene is going to get so many HIT Marks chasing after your character's ass.Ideally the merit should be a couple of point more expensive, but it's far from the only way to negate the consequences of vulgar magic and a lot of the time, vulgar magic is just a quick and careless way of doing something that could have been accomplished coincidentally.
>>97925877>>97927450These thoughts make me think about what RTs think about human kinfolk or homid Garou opiniones given that they only have literal dogs in their tribe
Thinking about playing a Chorister/Ecstatic dual traditions character, any idea what I could do with time and prime together? The best I can think of is sending quintessence to myself across time but that would probably take a lot of spheres, any suggestions?
>>97926849Hedgefag was just one of those guys who posted their homebrew merits and left an impression by annoying CofD Mage posters into becoming a lot less present.People still talk about him, despite other projects being more prominent now, because of his signature softcore porn leading to some poor bastard developing a parasocial hate boner.
>>97927778Time and Prime could probably speed up the development of magical things such as nodes.
>>97926082>Sex with (wild) dogsWhite woman or Gangrel, call it.
>>97927798Is hedgefag puckee's good twin?
>>97927856Maybe.
Maybe a hug would have changed everything.
>>97927778Depends on the character and their focus. Does your character follow the Ecstatic "time is just a social construct" paradigm or do they believe that it is a sacred aspect of the One that they should not tamper with? Are you just going with Time and Prime because they're the spheres most commonly associated with those Traditions?
>>97927887This is adorable.
>>97927887Knowing WoD? It would somehow make things worse
>>97927824White Women Gangrels? Or are they so degenerate they're normal?
>>97928050The OR is there for a reason, anon.
>>97928083Why not both? Probably Gangrels though, even if RT's are the white woman wet dream I can imagine the lack of hygiene gets to them
>>97928096>Why not both?Gangrels and white women are natural competitors. Garou population is pretty limited and we're talking about RTs here. There simply aren't enough of them to go around. Especially when some V*rbena is trying to steal them away. All is fair in love and war.
>>97927778Maybe detecting magickal events or items across time rather than space? Junctures, magickally significant events, talisman item usage of creation, paradox backlashes, that sort of thing.
>>97928121*or
>>97928121Magical item tracking sounds about right.
>>97927778>borrowing shit from the futureThis could be interesting, there's a Fate character that does it. Maybe making an emergency temporal stockpile like you said, pump some quintessence when you aren't using it then pull it out with a small ritual when you need some. It does sound somewhat expensive though.>>97928121Wouldn't tracking something across time not really give you much information since it ignores the physical space the object is in?
>>97928791Time 2 alone can give you plenty of info about something. With Prime I think the effect could track and provide detailed info about magickal nature of that something. Or at least give some more info in the vague prophecies you will receive.With 'rather than space' I meant as opposed to adding Correspondence 3 and ctrl+F'ing some wide area.
>>97927729I don't think most Garou give too much of a fuck about kinfolk from without their own tribe. In an abstract, yes all kinfolk are important, but kinfolk are also a resource that the tribes do not share. Trying to hook up with the kinfolk that are not related to your tribe, or even to your immediate caern/camp, can cause conflicts. Since there are not supposed to be any RT kinfolk, I assume their views are something along the lines of "these humans get to live but only if their tribe keeps them in line." At least among the less extreme of the "kill 'em all" camp.
How does werewolf pregnancy work? If a garu becomes pregnant, assuming the father isn't another werewolf, does the baby change with them? Can they change form? Does whatever form they're in determine the baby's form or does it take whatever the mother's standard form is no matter what?
>>97929015Apparently the baby fucking dies. There was one excerpt with a story of a pregnant Garou female, that had some warlock after her, so instead of letting him do whatever hideous thing he had intended to do with her and her baby she had morphed, killing a baby (who would've died AT LEAST anyway), to ambush that warlock.
>>97928121>>97927778>JuncturesThis is one of the big ones, since Junctures are a source of Quintessence that M20 doesn't actually bother exploring at all. If you're willing to work with ST, this could be an opportunity to detect past, present and future Junctures, to relive Junctures or foresee Junctures, to drain Quintessence from past and future Junctures and not just present ones, and even create them out of nothing.
>>97929015>>97929044Wasn't the Warlock story in Forsaken and not Apocalypse? Kind of seems weird the shapeshifters are punished for shapeshifting while pregnant, considering most couples don't know they're pregnant for the first couple of weeks even upwards of a trimester. I guess werewolves might be able to smell it or something though but iirc there were also stories in Apocalypse of pregnant mothers transforming to fight and then giving birth midcombat iirc
>>97929044>There was one excerpt with a story of a pregnant Garou female, that had some warlock after herThat's from cofd not owod
>>97929015The breed of the offspring is determined by the other partner. Garou are fine changing form, going to battle, and taking damage, right up until it's time to give birth.
>>97923183I will now play your game.
I know V5's attemp to eradicate unique Disciplines was clumsy and widely panned, but are there any clan-exclusive Disciplines you guys feel add little to nothing to the clan's identity? I always thought it's silly every non-Camarilla clan gets an exclusive discipline AND some form of blood sorcery, but then the Cam only has 3 disciplines (2 before Dementation) and only the Tremere have a sorcerous tradition
>>97929444It's often like this, not because the japanese are innately more talented, but I think because the japanese are actually passionate and genuine over what they're doing. Resident Evil is a cheesy action-horror series at the end of the day, but whereas a Westerner might write cringey dialogue because it's expected of them or because it appeals to more people to have a witty action hero (market-driven approach), an eleven will write cringey dialogue because they genuinely think that's what action movies have and it's actual maximum soul. This is why 4chan and most of the west enjoyed japanese games more before they started aping the west hard, even if a good portion of the population hated on the thing on principle because>cringe weaboosIt's really just a question of enthusiasm, earnestness, and soul. As always.
>>97929464While V5 went overboard, I think a lot of stuff could have gotten combined with little lost.Like turning Thanatosis into a Necromancy path a la Nihilistics, folding Protean and Serpentis together (if you're using a pick a power system like V5 anyway), what V20DA did folding Ogham into Koldunic Sorcery.Quietus was always a weird discipline, so folding its first power into Obfuscate and turning the rest into Thaumaturgy/Blood Sorcery/whatever wouldn't be a big loss to me.Could possibly do stuff with Dementation, Chimerstry and Mytherceria, but eh, I feel the former two have enough flavor of their own and the latter would be too weird folding in the rest.
>>97929464I feel like it's the opposite and more often than not, fans make a clan's identity nothing more than its unique Discipline, with the Tzimisce and Lasombra as the worst offenders.
>>97929503"Soul" is a buzzword used by poverts to justify something looking cheap.
>>97929464I think both of these approaches have some merit, but it makes sense in the case of genuinely special bloodlines like Setites, Tzimisce, and the Fae vamps. I'll admit you get flimsier and flimsier excuses when you start going through the whole list of>Trujah>Giovanni>Lasombra>Gangrel>etcBut V5's attempt was also kind of lazy and amalgam disciplines aren't something you should use for genuinely alien powers like Vicissitude, combining Obtenebration with Necromancy was gay, etc. There's never going to be a perfect solution, but every clan truly being unique in terms of disciplines probably goes against the Camarilla principles of having similar-ish kindred trying to assert dominion over the humans.
>>97929521Soul is about effort anon, regardless of budget. There is high budget soul and low budget soul. It's not soul when your high budget VA is paid to say "do a barb" but it can be soul when your high budget VA is paid to complain about your character being a traitor as they gank you with your previous allies
>>97929530>Obtenebration with Necromancy was gay,it was really gay
>>97929520Vicissitude and Obtenebration are geniunely great disciplines though so can't really blame people for focusing on them
>>97929464do you think the Camarilla clans would be better more Disciplines? any ideas?
>>97927222Now all this shit about Beats makes sense, they're fractions of an experience because individual experiences have more buying power than in nWoD 1st Edition
>>97929851Let's take a look...>BruhjaIdeal centered mechanics like the Exalted Intimacies. Once taken they become a permanent aspect of the character similar to a Derangement.>VentruJust copy and paste the Invictus powers from Requiem because those just work way too well for them.>MalkavianAlready have their own thing but more coherent divination would be nice.>NosferatuSteal from Requiem, again.>ToreadorSomething about enhancing the blush of life, effectively raising their humanity for a time or something along those lines.>TrememesThey already have way too much shit.
>>97929593i dunno i never got the hype for Vicissitude. like the lore is neat but the rules don't really support the lore and it's one of the disciplines where i feel like the cool shit is gatekept by generation the most
>>97929964Look at this guy, not being a monsterfucker in the monsterfucker general
>>97929464even the setite clan book revised struggles to find a use for serpentis when listing all the disciplines and how they can be used and combined to help run a cult, a information network or wow mortals
>>97929973nah Vicissitude is not monster fucking enough for me. you need a 6th dot power to add extra working limbs (and thus tentacles)
>>97929973it is better fucking there war form My toreador loves "hunting" Tzimisces
>>97929956That works well
>>97929464I agree in a vacuum that the distribution of unique disciplines is a genuine problem. Thing is, those disciplines have become so core to the game that it's a problem you can't really fix without changing the character of the game. As much as some people understandably give Serpentis shit, I don't think replacing it with Protean, even an expanded form of Protean, keeps the Setite's character intact. You can say that character is one dimensional, snake clan = snake discipline, but honestly? I think weird snake powers fits a clan very much designed around the bit of being evil snake cultists straight out of Conan. I think the root of it stems from the fact that VTM burns through its "archetypal" clans very quickly in the Cam 7, and increasingly needs to rely on unique disciplines to make the remaining ones stand out. Adding unique powers to the archetypal clans would just turn them into another flavor of gimmick clan, which as someone who generally prefers the broad archetypal clans without a unique discipline, would ruin a lot of their charm for me. So while it's not ideal, you can't really fix the issue without altering the game's identity.
>>97929973>>97930009Rank all the monsters you can fuck right now. No, the twink Toreador and the mommy Ventrue are not monsters. Zulo is kind of uggo.
>>97930094He even forgot the Gangrel like the writers.
>tfw you will never save the insecure Hecata cutie whose mother is her half-sister and whose father is her great-great-grandfather and show her there is more to unlife:(
>>97930140a normal woman is a monster, so my mommy Ventrue counts.
>>97929015The mother ultimately determines the Breed of the Garou.>Human or Homid motherHomid Garou>Wolf or Lupus motherLupus GarouAs for shape-changing, the baby is unaffected. Gaia’s blessing, I don’t have to explain shit. Unsurprisingly, most female Garou shift to their Breed form when it’s time to give birth. Not that they’re forced to, it’s just more comfortable for them to do so. And they’re gonna need all the comfort they can get when the time comes.>>97929044That was Forsaken, Anon.
Was this any good? Or is the text also computer-generated garbage?
>>97930120>So while it's not ideal, you can't really fix the issue without altering the game's identity.Speaking from my personal view of the clans-I don't think Setites need Serpentis for their whole "be evil do crime" cult, like it's really flimsily connected?Same for Quietus, when I think of Assamites assassinating I picture stealth and swiftness, not spitting blood and using poison against other vampiresRavnos having Obfuscate in place of Chimerstry would similarly allow them to fuck around and be nuisances without stuff escalating into "I make an illusion so real you take actual damage!!!"And Dementation is kind of a meme discipline too (literally and figuratively, I guess). Dominate was and is fine, but I guess they could use something else more oracular. Malkavian Tempor-But then again these are just from my personal perceptions of the clans, maybe most people always picture the Ravnos making people see pink elephants and the Assamites spitting in the Tremere's mouth
>>97930176Only once a month anon, maybe even 5 times a month if we're generous>>97930154You would not like that, considering how all of those guys have terrible teeth
>>97930375>Dementation is kind of a meme discipline too (literally and figuratively, I guess).Hear, hear!
>>97930375Quietus could have been unique thaumaturgical path (except they already have their own, funnily enough), but oh well. Poisons and other technical skills like that shouldn't really be a "discipline" since everything in the discipline, barring sorcery, is a supernatural gift instead of a skill humans can already have just amped up to 11.>Assamite spitting in the Tremere's mouthHot
>>97930435>one to five times a monthto be honest that sounds like the right amount of contact
How much Paradox would be generated if my Setite Changeling crossed an Avernian Gate while clad in silver?
>>97930375To be honest, this is V5 thinking. You're boiling the clans down to their simplest components and disregarding the flavour and image they cultivated over twenty years. You're basically just reducing them to a single verb, Achilli-style.Setites are just tempter vampires.Assamites are just assassin vampires.Ravnos are just trickster vampires.In actuality, the identity of Setites is that of snake cultists who lean heavily into the symbolism of the snake in so many different ways. Yes, it's corny and campy, but it's a core part of the clan's identity. You can always make a Setite who finds the snake shit a bit cringe and doesn't indulge in it, but by stripping away the snake shit from the entire clan, you reduce flavour.Similarly, Assamites aren't just assassins, they're cannibalistic blood cultists. Turning their blood into poison and spitting acid blood makes a lot more sense in that context. Again, if you find that weird, you can always chuck out the Arabic blood mage shit and make a more generic assassin who just uses Celerity and Obfuscate instead, but getting rid of Quietus and the diablerie-loving zealot aspect of the entire clan just hurts it over all.
>>97930280Honestly, I don't remember anything about it so it's probably an ok game you have very little incentive to use over its competitors. I don't want to be rude but it does look like the CofD situation where they didn't change enough to stand on its own when remembered.
>>97930556You sound as butthurt as a Werewolf fan.
>>97930556I think you do have a point though but ultimately clans really are just an archetype of vampire and all the flavor around that archetype. Yeah, they can be different or have other roles but fundamentally it boils down to either that archetype or a subversion of that archetype. It's reductive, but sometimes being reductive helps in understanding something like when you're talking about all the minor clans and bloodlines having their own hyperspecialized bullshit discipline.On the other hand though, it makes sense that a relatively isolated or excluded clan will develop their own discipline eventually to spite the Camarilla/Sabbat/Anarchs or just because they've had a lot of time to fester unprovoked and mostly invisible to vampire hunters or vampire society. Both sides here are kind of reasonable but I loathe to be a fence sitter so I'll say I kind of prefer all the clans having their own unique retarded discipline except for all the gayer kindred cozying up to each other in the Camarilla.
>>97930375See for me Setites ain't that deep bro. They're evil snake cultists, so of course they have evil snake protean. I think the jarring nature of Serpentis is from people, both writers and players, trying to bury their extremely pulp roots. But honestly? I'd probably forget they existed if they were just a generic cult. Any charismatic vampire can run a cult, and they could probably do it in a more interesting manner than the Setites. The snake egypt LARP is the one thing that makes them pop. Personally, I also like the snake stuff making it very clear they're wyrmshits. As for Assamites? I think poison is fine, because they're assassins. They don't fight fair, they're not honorable despite what they might claim. Poison is a coward's weapon, and poison being inherent to their very blood highlights the hypocrisy that is honestly the only thing that makes them not completely insufferable. The execution leaves something to be desired but I don't think it's an irredeemable concept. Chimerstry I could take or leave, and I like Malks being able to spread their insanity. If they were just another dominate clan, that wouldn't suck, but it would be more boring. I like how Malks need to go crazy person loud in order to compel action. As I said, I don't think the way the special disciplines were handled was perfect, but I don't think it's something you can fully rid yourself of. It's also telling that people only have problems with gimmick disciplines when given to fairly one note glorified bloodline clans aka the Indie 4. That's more a symptom of the clans themselves being underbaked.
It is the distant future, the year 2000.Mega-corporations run the world. Monsters run the mega-corporations.Conspiracies abound and the rabbit-hole goes deeper than you can imagine.Will you beat them or join them?
>>97930694Is that Timothy Chardonnay?
>>97930699I thought it was Benjamin Cucumberpatch.
>>97929964Officially it is rather limited, yes. But check out STV Viscissitude Expanded in the STV mega, it has exactly the build-a-bear mechanics the base discipline should have for both the kindred and its schlatza. Though I'm not sure it could be different enough from Protean if Protean were also to be expanded in animal forms. For that I guess you could use an Animal forms bestiary.
Three words:WerewolfLegalTeam.
>>97930731One word:Torolf
>>97930556>In actuality, the identity of Setites is that of snake cultists who lean heavily into the symbolism of the snake in so many different ways.Are they even a snake cult? It's all about Set and the Aeons and Osiris and Isis. The snakes feel like an afterthought, just a symbol but not really that important to the greater cult. Like if you called Christians a "fish cult" or "dove cult" or "lamb cult"
>>97930731Is he a werewolf who is a lawyer or a lawyer for werewolves?
>>97930758Due to Affirmative Action policies, he is both.
>>97930731Working legal requires you to have the patience of a saint, especially when your client is doing everything to sabotage himself.
>>97925669I wish there was more theme books
>>97930768Affirmative action was a mistake: >>97930772
>>97930731>Thinking you're slick thanks to your gifts >The guy the other side sends in:
>>97927897Rough concept is a russian Khlysty whose paradigm revolves around personal intimacy with the holy spirit through mediums such as ecstatic dance and speaking in tongues, due to not exactly fitting in with either the Cult or the Choristers he involves himself in a lot of inter-tradition matters and is deeply interested in the metaphysics behind all Mages.>>97928121>>97929077Junctures are a good idea, although it feels like an extension of pulling quint through time
>>97930756Well they do have a snake cult vib since they go to other cultures and us there snakes as well.There is that Norse setite branch about the world snake.
>>97930796Same
>>97930694Slay hordes of Islamic Communist vampires then brood on the moonlit rooftops overlooking the wraith-haunted graveyards of Neo-Sakurai.
>>97930694>Will you beat them or join them?Which one is giving me cool suoernatural powers?
>>97930821You can have anything you want for the right price...
>>97930831What do I get for my first-born son (yet to be conceived?).
>>97930768>>97930772>>97930797I see, this must be some of that "Dee Eee Ay" that's going around.>>97930801Saul could probably be some retardedly gifted low level mage I think. Just straight up Fate manipulation
>>97930846A demonic familiar and free parking in the Greater Cascadian Area.
>>97930862Can I have a picture of said familiar?
Hello, I am planning a hunter campaign and live in a wine region that overwhelmingly specializes in white wine, so I thought a nice gag would be to have the main Vampire preferably drink blood without thrombocytes. My question is whether that's feasible, since it's neither covered in the hunter codex, nor the wiki.
>>97930881that sounds like a VERY specific Ventrue clan curse thing lol.
>>97930881>thrombocytesBut, anon, those are not the reason blood is red. Anyway, he could have some magic cup/knife/dildo that does turn blood into something more watery/white and use that as a symbol of his status. Or just to show he's a fag. >>97930881
>>97930853>Low levelSaul is at least 5 dots into the mind sphere. That suit alone generates a passive Mind 2 effect. Throw in some Entropy and Prime for good measure.
>>97930894I'm a fucking idiot, I meant Erythrocytes. The red ones that carry oxygen.
>>97930821Kemet International can offer a wide range of benefits to anyone willing to be mummified alive.
>>97930812>There is that Norse setite branch about the world snake.>Be Setite>Worship red-headed warrior storm god that fights against the big evil snake>Arrive in Scandinavia>There's a red-headed warrior storm god that fights against the big evil snake>Worship the snakeI'll never forgive White Wolf
>>97930971it's a bit less stupid because the Jörmungandr are heretics they equal Jörmungandr with Aphosis not set and only do so because Nidhogg (who is the wyrm) did not let them use it's name however white wolf still fucked that up because the norse cult that returned to the mainline fold meanwhile equals set with... loki and does not even mention thor and in dav20 onyx path made them wyrm cultists which makes the whole plot with Nidhogg nonsense
>>97930971To be fair, the mainstream Egyptian setites also sometimes worship Apep/Apophis and despise Ra as a demiurge figure, despite Set being the guy who guards Ra from Apep to keep the sun rising every day. The modern orthodoxy is called Path of Typhon, another evil monster man deity. I don't think the Setite beliefs are supposed to be accurate to historical religions. I mean, their whole "break taboos, make nothing sacred, until reality collapses in on itself to own the demiurge" routine seems like the kind of nonsense someone only in a cult would believe. If you care for cross-splat, it seems apparent to me the entire clan are useful idiots for the Wyrm.
Everyone knows that the World of Darkness was a disinformation campaign by the paranormal elites.
>>97931004
Quick question, does cold iron do anything to fetches in CtL?
>>97930731There's a couple of attorney NPCs in the chronical that I play in whom the ST was originally going to make garou, but he downgraded them to kinfolk.
>>97930993>it's a bit less stupid because the Jörmungandr are heretics they equal Jörmungandr with Aphosis not set and only do so because Nidhogg (who is the wyrm) did not let them use it's nameWait where is this about Nidhogg talking to the Setites from?:
>>97931161Yes, see Autumn Nightmares for details.
>>97930881>>97930928You'd probably need to make a ruling yourself on if it'd still count as nourishing. It's fairly universally acknowledged that the nourishment vampires get from blood has absolutely nothing to do with nutrition or biology (outside of one or two brief mentions of veinous blood tasting foul in like, 1e VtM), but is entirely mystical. Vampires drink "life" through the blood, sustaining their un-lives. Some editions have blood that spends too long outside of the human body lose some and eventually all of its potency. It's ultimately your call, but it could be a good way to flex the vampire's decadence and wastefulness. He's putting in all this effort to create less nourishing blood just for the aesthetics of it, which means he'll need to drink more than usual to have his fill. Could work for a Hunter game.
>>97931246it's from Arnulf Jörmungandrsson original write up in Wolves of the Sea, but it's its cultists in another book hinted to be norse nephanti becoming aggressive till they changed the name and then suddently being totally fine with the setites. despite the fact that dead magic saying that Jörmungandr is one of the 3 avatars norse nephandus can have ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ white wolf never really decided what it wanted to do with the norse pantheon despite featuring them in most gamelines
>>97931251Thanks gang. Player in.my hunter game.asked if they could be a fetch
Can some you sum up the Norse pantheon in wod?I thought Odin was just a gangerl?
Thinskins at it again...
>>97931264Thank you, that's pretty much exactly the answer I was looking for, a.k.a. whether someone thought up a biological reason, or it's just mysticism and "God said so".(I do appreciate the latter approach more)
>>97931322Odin is: a 4th gen gangrel, but that one is also assumed to be just a high priest. a godhead spirit who rules the domain of Valhalla in the high umbra. the founder of both a mage fellowship and sidhe house and a evil wyrmish necromancer and archenemy of fenrir the only thing he is missing is a wraith version like Quetzalcoatl and Osiris and a earthbound larping as him
The reason that nobody plays Mummy: the Curse is that isekai is a garbage genre.
>>97930928>>97931264Can someone without Erythrocytes in their blood even live?
>>97931322>I thought Odin was just a gangerl?Bruh.Odin's a spirit. And a pretty cool one.
>>97926849Hedgefag was a Euro Changeling fan who talked about his home brew and games and actually contributed to the thread, and the Magefags hated him for him.He posted pictures of himself a couple times and incited lust in some, including me.
>>97931455Nope.
>>97931455That's why I said "putting in all this effort", I'm assuming the vampire in question is using some ritual or just has a lab in order to turn bagged blood clear just for the flex.
>>97931571>>97931469On the one hand>Draining entire families dry for a sip of lifeforceOn the other hand>look even more pompous and smug than every other lick in ElysiumYeah, I'd do it too
>>97931585Just use some magical cup that makes blood look like white wine.
>>97931601but then how would you feed your ventrue cursed hunger?
>>97931622>cursed to drink the blood of german twinks only>ashamed of that shit>starts drinking from the magical cup only so people think that's his curse
>>97931637There would be plenty of (non-HIV infected) German twinks into that. Country of freaks, for some reason. So serious during work and then off work it's like a switch gets flipped.
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>>97931322There's the Gangrel methuselah who took on the identity of Odin after the fall of the Roman empire, and there's also a being named Odin who plays a major part in the Get of Fenris' foundational mythology. They may or may not be the same being (I lean not because the Fenris version sounds more like an extremely powerful mage than a vampire).
>>97930809It depends on what you define a Juncture as, since all we have in M20 regarding them is a single reference describing them as 'significant events.' What is a significant event? Is it when a mother brings her first child into the world, or when a father holds into his child for the first time and devotes himself to their health and well-being? Is it when a man and a woman mutually experience love at first sight, or when someone truly innocent is killed unjustly? Can a significant event occur when someone is alone, or does it need to be witnessed by the masses? Must significant events be magical, is every Awakening a significant event? So on and so forth.What's more important is that your mage will mostly cast spells through ecstatic dance and speaking with tongues. This lends itself better to ritual magic, though if you want to get pulpy, those instruments could be used to justify increasing speed and earning extra actions in combat. As for rituals, I think they would mostly boil down to reliving Junctures or less significant events that took place at Nodes, as a way of gathering information or harvesting historical Quintessence. At Prime 5 / Time 3, with a significant cult of votaries, your khlyst could probably whip up enough fervour to spontaneously generate a Juncture, from which he and other mages could draw Quintessence. Alternatively, Time 4 / Prime 3 could be used to cause a Node to store all of the Quintessence that it would generate in a no-time space, that it only leaves when your character repeats the ritual and basks in the flood of stored Quintessence. Maybe the mage could project a Body of Light of themselves into the past using Time 5 / Prime 2, rather than risk their skin by personally time travelling.At character creation, I think the primary use of this character would be investigatory rituals and Quintessence management. Most of the cool shit would have to come later.
>>97931873I think such a mage would be most valuable to the Traditions as a detector of Awakenings. By combining Correspondence 2 / Time 2 / Prime X, he could probably perform a ritual with the intention of prophesying when and where the next Awakening will occur in the city, so that the cabal can intervene to adopt (or even end up causing the Awakening of) the fresh mystic before they fall into the clutches of an antagonist. I'm not sure what the value of the Prime sphere should be for this, though I wouldn't go higher than 3.
>>97931468The good thing about Paradox killing CofD and this general shifting towards WoD instead is that the several years of MtAw mage supremacy white-room shitposting finally came to an end.If you think WtA fans have a short fuse, you should have seen how MtAw fans reacted to literally any mention of True Fae back in the day. You didn't even need to talk about their game in order to cause a ruckus.
Fight Club is actually a surprisingly good example of how Wraiths and their Shadows work.
>>97931417Aura farming is an acceptable foci in the Hollow One paradigm. Even some Mercurial Elite have started to incorporate it these days.
>>97926880>>97927798>>97931468I see. Kinda sad that homebrew stuff pretty much died out on 4chan, but no homebrew is a price i'm willing to pay for less mageniggers shitting up the general.
>>97931968What was it about the true fae that triggered them? Judging from 1d6chan they seem to be a normal ante equivalent, just hand crafting the PCs instead of having spawned clans. Is it realy that triggering for them to share a setting with nyarlathothep-tier spitefull quasi gods that only realy care about getting their pets back?
>>97932116Every other anon is well versed enough to make a decent draft out of any concept you could reasonably ask to have in WoD/CofD so it often feels pointless to post that kind of stuff.
>>97931873>>97931904By adding Mind 1 maybe you could detect the Resonance of the 'significant event'. So you could seek specifically the next birth of magickal being, or true lovers first moments together and not find upcoming sacrificial murder or other way around.Prime 3 let's one move Quintessence around so maybe with Time it could mess with the flow of the Prime through a pattern, making it go much faster or slower and giving such pattern some buffs or debuffs?Prime is also domain of anti-magick so it could maybe be used to strengthen the Time stream against messing or scrying.
>>97931968Aren't True Fae just the final form of ascended mages from WoD?
>>97932701Personally I always figured the end-stage of WoD ascension is like achieving the highest state of CHIM in elder scrolls and basically witnessing and persisting on past the end of the universe to dream/conjure a new one in a repeating cycle. So in other words, the new guy becomes or fabricated God who then repeats the cycle of getting pissed off at Cain and then fucking with him for eternity until some new guy comes along. Also written somewhere, God would have fucked off long ago if it wasn't for Cain iirc.
>>97926082>SEX WITH RED TALONS!
>>97932127During its first edition, Mage the Awakening was maligned for being mostly sauceless, with the most interesting thing about it being the existence of Atlantis as the origin of magic. Its only upsides were that the rules for casting spells were streamlined compared to MtAs Revised, that the rules for casting spells were busted and very exploitable, that mages had access to the entirety of nWoD's cosmology and that the spells of mages could interact with the entirety of nWoD's cosmology.The outcome of this was that Mage the Awakening attracted a lot of rules lawyers and character optimisers more interested in flaunting how they could bend the magic system over and make it do whatever they want, than actually playing the game.Then Changeling the Lost entered the picture and was a cult hit with lots of fans. More importantly, it featured the True Fae, monstrously powerful antagonists who had to be tricked or outwitted, rather than overpowered. MtAw fans saw this as a challenge and soon figured out ways that mages could overpower these terrible foes, which CtL depicts as so terrifyingly powerful.The second edition of Mage the Awakening made the situation even worse, since it doubled down on rewarding clever players who could exploit its magic system. So whenever anyone mentioned anything scary or powerful in nWoD, MtAw fans rushed to point out that it could totally get beaten by a mage. And as True Fae are some of the scariest and most powerful things in nWoD and CtL is built on the premise that they're nigh unstoppable, they were the biggest target for MtAw fans. By highlighting how easily an archmage with the right arcana could turn the True Fae into a harem of helpless sex slaves, they could undermine the entire foundation of CtL and claim that their game is clearly superior.Imagine if a mage fan boasted about how the Technocracy could kill any Antediluvian just like how they killed Zapathasura, every single time anyone mentioned Antediluvians.
>>97933101I thought that CofD feature is it doesn't share lines, like MtAw and CtL are separate universe in opposite of what WoD does.Also, if I am interested in CtL, should I stick to 1e or 2e?
>>97932833I'm no coward, throw me to the wolves and I'll come back a father.
>>97933164nta. but no completely the opposite wod couldn't decide on if splats exist together or not while nwod/cofd has them all in the same worldi should probably mention that this does not make crossover games anymore balanced but it means that the cosmology isn't different between the splats and it's not like in wod where spirits in werewolf and mage just work differently and the same entity can be something completely different in another gameline (see the post about odin above)however mtaw kinda broke with that in second edition as it now has it's own supernal hades, acardia etc that mages claim are the true versions of these dimensions so the fae a mage summons aren't ctl fae anymore it's demons are neither dtf nor inferno demons etc, but second edition of awakening is completely unqiue in that all the other splats still act like they are in the same world and the other splats still exist in mtaw but are seen as weird cosmics bugs unrelated to the supernal in the worldview of mages which is also why mages now canonically don't understand how the magic of other splats works at allof course this doesn't stop mtaw fags from acting like the mages in the games they are totally playing would totally know everything about the cosmos
>>97931968>The good thing about Paradox killing CofD and this general shifting towards WoD instead is that the several years of MtAw mage supremacy white-room shitposting finally came to an end.A very pyrrhic victory, though.
>>97933101>Imagine if a mage fan boasted about how the Technocracy could kill any Antediluvian just like how they killed Zapathasura, every single time anyone mentioned Antediluvians.Pfff, that's stupid. I'd rather dream up a theoretical scenarios where foxgirls are brough into the consensus through scientific means (The Timetable is always correct). That's what real power looks like.
>>97933101>By highlighting how easily an archmage with the right arcana could turn the True Fae into a harem of helpless sex slaves, they could undermine the entire foundation of CtL and claim that their game is clearly superior.Funniest response to boasts like that was to remind them that even mortals could beat anything.>>97933164CofD/nWoD is written in a way that the basic rules are completly the same across splats, and the powers function very similiar mechanicaly so that crossovers (read: using whatever you want as antagonist of the session) can be done with no further work. Want to kill a true werewolf? Just grab one from forsaken and go. Likewise the cosmology is universal, although no splat knows everything. A werewolf hunting spirits might cross paths with a Strix or fall into the Hedge without this going against what is presented in WtFs fluff.This is also true for the big stuff like Luna, Helios, the True Fae, etc. They all exist, but as there is no metaconflict between them / the splats they are only important to the game when the ST explicitly includes them.Having clear rules on how everyone can interact with stuff like ghosts or angels is a big plus for me, as is having all merits and equipment compatible with each other with no further homebrew.If you want to play CtL i would go with 2e, 1e can be quite underwhelming at times regarding the power level and how much you need to invest to do certain things. The fluff is compatible though, so i recommend reading through 1e books as well. The worldbuilding is pretty good, as is the artwork.
>Mage is the worst part of the setting (both old and new)>Magefags are the worst part of the communityLike pottery.
>>97930731>>97930772>>97930801>>97930906Reminder Lawyer is a reserved kindred profession.
>>97933364shouldn't demons also get some of that action?
How the fuck is Influence intended to work as written in V20? I know mind's eye has an entirely different system, and am trying to decide between the two.
>>97933364Mages, Fae, Demons, maybe even humans can be blood-sucking parasites though.
I may just be really dumb, but I've found that when I try to make a Mage the Ascension character, I have a bit of a difficult time with it. Something about the way that the Sphere are split up make it so that my usual ways of conceptualizing a magus doesn't really work. I think I've just got to really focus on building a character concept from within the bounds of the game rather than thinking of a general concept and seeing how that might translate to the system. I'm not saying it's bad at all, it's just different enough to where I just kinda have to completely reorient how I'm trying to think about it
>>97933101>bend the magic system over and make it do whatever they want, than actually playing the game.That IS playing the game.
>>97933641You're usually using more than a single sphere for your magic anyway, so just think of an idea and how those concepts apply to the idea. Either way, I wouldn't focus too hard on the spheres and instead just creatively interpret spheres into your character concept. It is a lot more freestyled than mechanics heavy though yeah, I understand that
>>97933101>more interested in flaunting how they could bend the magic system over and make it do whatever they wantIronically their mindset would've fitted best for an actual mage - precisely high-int dude, who by understanding rules and can recombine and abuse them in unusual and unexpected (for others) ways to achieve the ultimate all-power. Basically THE reason to be a mage.
>>97933101>>97933767Also, Mage is, supposedly, a part of the main goal of God - humanity (according to DtF) have been given a small portion of God's creative power each, according to Lucifer (in ToJ) directly says, that he was in cahoots with God all the time and made rebellion on his order - apparently to kickstart the humanity, who were too dumb to use all that creative power, "question God had wanted answer to" is, supposedly either free will can or if humanity can evolve enough - all of that almost directly says, that humans are not just God's children - they are his actual way of creating new Gods as a specie - basically, the entire thing was making himself angels to fullfill the role of an artificial womb with a fleshlight, everything else - looking at the retarded baby, realizing, that it is clearly not clever enough to maintain even /lit/-tier conversation yet and just throwing newborn children into a pond in a hope they would learn how to swim before all of them will drown or die of dysentery.
>>97933164>Also, if I am interested in CtL, should I stick to 1e or 2e?I prefer 1e by a very wide margin. I really like how its Changeling template plays. You feel vulnerable, fragile, mortal and that enhances the vibes Lost is going for. Your powers are often very specific, or they need the right circumstances to activate, but when those circumstances arise (and you can do a lot to make them arise), you are absolutely in your element. Many of your powers are inherent to your template rather than purchased, portaling alone makes you best in class at avoid and evade. Every ability feels very "fae". Pledges are magically binding pacts that you can trick someone/be tricked into and reward clever wording. My one complaint is that a lot of these abilities are scattered throughout a bunch of supplemental books. I've been playing as a Farwalker Ogre recently and it's been a fun experience. I am very quiet, very strong. I feel like bigfoot batman, which is what I'm going for. Vulnerable, mortal, but powerful, with a bag of tricks that strongly rewards clever thinking and improvisation. In my estimation, that's what a Changeling template should be. Since the two play very differently, my advice is read both 1e and 2e core books and decide which template seems more to your liking.
>>97933737>You're usually using more than a single sphere for your magic anyway, so just think of an idea and how those concepts apply to the idea.That's what I've been trying, but the hickup I run into is that when thinking of a general concept, I end up thinking of something that would require many more spheres than I could get. Narrowing it down to just a few spheres is surprisingly difficult.
>>97933164>1eA little more grimdark with the True Fae presented as nigh unstoppable demi-gods who are almost impossible to beat in a straightforward confrontation. Most of a changeling's power is locked behind the pledge system and the player being able to cleverly word vows and oaths, rather than the actual contract powers.>2eA little more optimistic, with freeholds presented as valid defence mechanisms capable of holding their own against the True Fae. Changelings are much more powerful by default with extremely potent contract powers, at the cost of the pledge system being hobbled and severe limits imposed on it.
>>97933863>>97933641Accept that character creation as laid out in M20 is not intended to produce a powerful mage, just like how a V20 vampire straight out of character creation is just a neonate. A lot of people make the mistake of going into Mage the Ascension thinking that they can do high power level shenanigans right out of the gate.Either lower your standards a few and see about making an apprentice or a street mage with relatively limited magical abilities, or convince your ST to provide a lot more freebies and lift character creation restrictions.
>>97933641Maybe talk with your ST for a Dark Ages/ game? You might like Foundation-Pillar style more than Spheres. Especially because Pillars can cover more than one Sphere at a time and Foundations themselves gives bonuses.(Or even talk with the ST to play as a Foundation-Pillar mage in modern times.)
Suppose you are newly ghouled, embraced or blood bound. What are the absolute worst sort of domitors/sires/regnants you could be working for? (examples: doing odd jobs, procuring vitae and ritual ingredients, transporting info and people, shopping for your master and assorted errands, etc.)
>>97934033BDSM slave and drug/gun/blood mule for a Tzimisce
>>97934033Tzimisce zookeeper. You are one of the exhibits, reshaped into some mockery of nature. Like the ending of Tusk, but with vampires.
>>97934033>What are the absolute worst sort of domitors/sires/regnants you could be working for?I mean, the worst are obviously the sadistic ones that just want to toy and torture you for their pleasureMaybe like a Setite that'll whore you out as a tool of corruption, a Tzimisce that'll shape you to bette serve your purpose
>>97934033the ghouls who are in charge of a lasombra's visage are mentioned as being hit with potence related things very often because the shadow shadow clan often tells you to do shit like brush their hair exactly 150 times each evening and if you do 149 or 151 they'll beat you... if you are lucky
>>97934033For Ghouls, the worst master is between Lasombra and Tzimisce but Tziniggers take it because they can also physically twist their ghouls. Honorary mention goes to Gangrel.As for the embrace, Lasombra. Tzimisce, outside of showelheads, don't usually torture their childe before Embrace.
>>97933849>In my estimation, that's what a Changeling template should be.I see. Can you rate next idea then?The character was a child, stolen from his bed by a mysterious, masked ninja clan after “trespassing” by climbing a few trees in a local park. They brought him to their village, cut off his face (in a more magical than gory way), and replaced it with a mask. From then on, he was forcibly trained and made to take part in various assaults in the Hedge, the human world, and other Arcadian realms - including kidnapping new victims.There are exactly 111 masks, styled after Noh theater, which define the hierarchy within the village. Ninjas switch masks each week, and each month they receive a quest from the most venerated mask, known as Okina. Okina is never seen in the village; instead, a messenger is always sent to a nearby mountain to get the order.One day, the character becomes that messenger and climbs the mountain. In a cave at its peak, he does not find a ninja master - only a mask he has never seen before, along with paper and ink. He realizes that there was never any true leader, only a fear-based system sustained by ritual and belief.Determined to break it, he writes a quest for himself: “Okina must leave the village and never return”. He steals the mask and flees through the Hedge back to his home.What he doesn’t realize is that his escape and even his act of defiance - was always part of a True Fae narrative.So this character is a faceless fantasy-ninja who knows some technics and can write a command to his clan once a month (when he puts on his special stolen mask) and they obliged to follow it. At the same time they wish to punish traitor and return the mask.How strong can I make him?
>>97934156>>97934354>masksGigabased. I fucking love masks.
>>97934156>Honorary mention goes to Gangrel.One of my favorite ghouls from a game was a Gangrel ghoul.His domitor(a female Gangrel PC) met him while he was hunting. They spent a lot of time together until she just abandoned him when the PC forgot about the character. He lost his job, his family, his house becoming a hobo with a shotgun for a bit.He had learned enough about the vampire world to start hunting Kindred. The St kept track of what he was doing for the last 3 years in game.In that time he killed and kidnapped other NPCs the coterie had been dealing with, leading the PCs to take the blame for those deaths. He tried the same thing with an old Ventrue but got caught. The Ventrue took him in as a ghoul rather than execute him for Masquerade breaches.His new domitor had him properly trained - sword fighting, etiquette, cleaned him up - before eventually Embracing him. He now works as a masked hound under the Sheriff.The PCs never found out he was behind the murders they got blamed for. The clues are still there if they look.I'm the ST for this game>>97934404They go hard
>>97934354Is this a player character? Because if so, you'd need to talk to your ST about all that, how they'd fit into a motley and the general conceit of the game, etc. If you want a disguise-heavy ninja type character, Darkling Mirrorskin. Focus on contracts of darkness, mirrors, and smoke. Even at 0exp (nWoD/CofD both operate on the notion of 0exp characters being noobs, and a game that wants more experienced PCs gives them extra to start with) you can be very sneaky. My Ogre was rocking a casual 10 dice with 9-again to stealth at chronicle start and without being ultra-minmaxxed, he does other things (unga fighting) well too. The mask itself could be handled as a powerful token, no issues there. Though if your definition of fantasy ninja is very wizard-y and/or capable of cutting down fully armored men in a single stroke... you'd probably need a good chunk of exp to do it. 1e Lostlings are specialists with a very weird and oftentimes specific bag of tricks.
>>97934156>Gangrel treat literal dogs better than peopleNo wonder they fuck Garou
>>97934533Garou are honorary Gangrel, considering that Ennoia is Gaia.
>>97934425Damn, that is quite cool man, any plans for that?
>>97934544No,I wanted them to find him while he was still a stalker,that didn't work out so I asked a player what there old PC(The Venture) would do if a abound ghoul attacked him, and he said he would take them with the logic of them being a good tool which makes sense.I was hoping he would say he would kill him and I could get rid the character.At this point I think he is happy working for the Venture and the Sheriff enough that he wont hunt the coterie again. I can't think of a way or a why for him to come back into the story with him in that state.I have left enough clues for the PCs to find him on there own but they aren't/didn't pick them up.I like him but just don't know what to do.
>>97934604I guess it depends on the coterie or if he ever gets any ambitions, could see him totally not diablerizing the sheriff or something and grabbing power that way. Likely as far as Kindred go he's too young to really develop those types of ambitions but it's something to think about
Thinskins can't just let anyone else talk about anything without including themselves
>>97934970What would you rather we talk about? Every three posts for the last day has been a different splat
>>97934979>What would you rather we talk about?Anything. He's desperate for attention.
>>97934979>What would you rather we talk about?How do we make Wraith good?
>>97935038He could just contribute if he read up a bit though, or just ignore the conversation until he finds something he likes.>>97935097Wraith is already good, it's just too high skill of a TTRPG to run with just about anyone. If you wanted to make it more playable there's always Orpheus or Geist
>>97935097>How do we make Wraith good?what part of it do you think is bad?
>>97934979He's just putting more hooks out because the woofoids took the bait AGAIN.
>>97929444There is nothing that prevents you from playing a game of Warudo ofu Dakunesu and use Japanese artists, themes, concepts, settings and creatures to your and your group's content.
>>97935157>>97935213If nobody plays it, it's not good. It doesn't need to be the most popular thing ever, but if even the contrarian hipsters here never talk about it, it's irrelevant.
>>97934860I do want him to diablerize someone, but I can't see him attacking the people who have helped him. He's too much of a normal guy getting back on his feet to betray them like that.I might be too attached to him to do something cool with the character, but I'm still hoping the group pushes him until he snaps and does something dramatic.The most in-character option is diablerizing someone during a Blood Hunt, or a Sabbat member - since he used to hunt and drink from vampires as a abound ghoul. That background makes it feel natural.Maybe use that as a way to pull the PCs' attention back to him.
>>97935258>here never talk about itmy first post in this thread talked about it, I play it.Once again what is the problem with it?>>97926231>Wraith mariners: Play as ghosts of drowned sailors trying to prevent a Malfean entity from using a sunken WWII battleship as an anchor point
>>97935258Few people play WoD to begin with and Wraith is a niche within a niche. How many DnD supplements and bills get pushed out and no one plays or uses them? Being unpopular doesn't mean something is bad, it just means the appeal isn't enough to compete with something else for a variety of reasons. League is more popular than Dota but Dota is honestly a much better game, it's just more time intensive to play and not at all casual. A good amount of posters on here are /nogames/ but you wouldn't say it's because VtM is bad
>>97930731what do you think a philodox is?
>>97935538>Werewolves have a dedicated lawyer caste>They're also judge, jury, and executionerWerewolf writers must have liked Judge Dredd
>>97925669>Has anyone been a part of a nautical adventure?No, but one of the chronicles I'm planning is set in a seaside city. One of the local myths is that there's a network of tunnels under the harbour that was used by press-gangers to ambush drunken sailors and conscript them, and that their ghosts still linger there and watch for drunken men who they can steal away to serve in their ghost fleet.Could be a good hook, local man goes missing and if the players follow the lead, they unwittingly get conscripted and have to escape with the guy, willingly sign up for the ghost crew to try and get the guy back, or cut their losses and get rid of the ghosts without risking their skin to get the poor fucker back.
>Has anyone been a part of a nautical adventure?I was challenged to a Monomacy and set the location at the bottom the New York Harbor because I had Auspex and the twerp challenging me didn't. I won.I'm currently running a Dark Ages Vampire game set in medieval Greenland. I have a ton of goodies in the ocean for my players if they ever start looking down there, like inexplicably ghouled coral colonies and narwhal fomori. The game has a lot of Werewolf crossover.Playing/running a totally aquatic chronicle is a dream of mine. I was a shark kid so naturally I adore the Rokea. I proposed a Wraith x Rokea game set on the Titanic to my players and they all said it sounded deranged and unfun. My trouble is I can't decide if I'd rather run a Rokea game or a crossover Blood-Dimmed Tides game which leads into>Have you ever fucked a mermaid?I wish, one of these years I'll get a girlfriend who dresses up as one for me. I'm a little bummed the merfolk in Changeling are so removed from the rest of fae and human society, it makes them hard to include and harder to play as. It almost seems like the writers wanted them to be played in mixed groups with the Rokea. Maybe I'll smuggle a kinain of theirs into a Mage game. Or Werewolf. It would be a furmaid.
>>97935575>network of tunnels under the harbouryou say that and I think Nosferatu, I LOVE NOSFERATU WOMEN and I would like to see one in a wet suit/ dive suit or bikini.
>>97934540I unironically think the keyed move for Revised would've been for the Gangrel to have ditched the Camarilla and joined the Nation of Gaia instead.
>>97931969I've never thought about it like that before, very nice.
>>97931969Shadow Life + Shadowed Face is always a fun combination of Thorns, especially for NPCs.
>>97935641'The ghost press-gangers aren't real but vampires are' could be an interesting take, I guess.
>>97935625>I was challenged to a Monomacy and set the location at the bottom the New York Harbor because I had Auspex and the twerp challenging me didn't. I won.You really hit him with the vampire equivalent of "axhandles in five feet of water".
>>97935258Wraith is too good for its own good, people don't run it because it's nigh-impossible to get together a group competent enough to live up to the quality of its fiction.>TQI ran a Wraith game where the circle were a bunch of fresh Silent Legionnaries staffing a soulfire lighthouse deep in the Tempest. The game fizzled out after four sessions because I was struggling to write for it and we all found it way too depressing.
>>97935574On that topic, philodoxes don't work all that well in my mind when they're all three but also a whole fifth of the population, you really only need one or two per sept. They probably should form hierarchies with judges and lawyers and detectives and whatnot.
>>97935643>Implying Gets would ever fall for Gangrel filthHaven't they been fighting them for a couple thousand years?I do think the Gangrel probably should be more than the hobo NPC vamp though, but making them budget Garou might not be it
Ok, who let the VEs make a thread?
>>97935776Bakerboy is still being punished after fucking up a few threads ago, so we are short on talent right now.
>>97935757Technically they're supposed to be around 1 or so per pack and then maybe the head Philodox for the sept, but I do agree. It's one thing that Werewolf society has a dedicated police officer, but having it be 20% of the population is silly. On the other hand, there aren't that many phases of the moon and even further every Werewolf is technically a soldier. I guess at the end of the day outside of the head of every auspice you just have a theme to your personality instead of a job or role in society. You're just a slightly more autistic werewolf. I do wonder what Philodoxes are supposed outside of autistic litany debates, since I suppose secrecy problems are a Ragabash issue. General leadership maybe? But that's more strength seniority
>>97935783Wh-what was his punishment?
>>97935819He was fleshcrafted into a girl. There are also rumours of rape, but you should not pay attention to those.
>>97935773>he doesn't knowIn the Dark Ages, they get along so well you can take a 7 point merit as a vamp to be a public friend of the whole tribe.
>>97935776I assure you, our studies of mermaid cloacas are necessary to prove life arose spontaneously from prebiotic soup and that God isn't real.
>>97935826im jelly ngl, my pack's tzimmy just grafts concrete plates under my skin
>>97935834>friendship>look inside>kill him in his sleep/ on sightGarou friendships seem a lot like female friendships
>>97935814General leadership, low Rage ones interface well with human society, and also they particularly target traitors to the Gaian cause ala BSDs.
>>97935859Have you considered not being part of the dumbest sect?
>>97935870All werewolves are tsunderes, the Get saying this means they wish the Gangrel would spawn a generation of Danish Danislavs with them.
>>97935880I tried joining the Cult of Ecstasy a few years back but they found out I was a Cainite during a piss orgy :(
>>97935880but he isn't in the true black hand
>>97935893Never mind, stay with the sabbat.
tzimisce should spend less time making themselves into monsters and more time making themselves into monster girls
>>97935908They can't help themselves.
>>97935893I swear Phil Brucato only came up with the CoE so that the Euthanatoi wouldn't be the uncontested most evil Tradition. THEY HAVE A RAPIST AS A SAMPLE CHRACTER IN THEIR *REVISED* BOOK
>>97935915>Brucato
>>97935893How'd they find out?
>>97935915dude, I hate them so much the first time I ran mage, the players were Technocrats containing a gimp rape zombie virus the cult made for shits and giggles
>>97935879Ah, yeah these are good. I guess the Ragabashes are too busy being spies and the Theurges being nerds to really deal with normies. I appreciate the ideas (if I ever choose to play Werewolf).>>97935890I'm sure they've made a rite to breed the vampires already
>>97935933I pissed blood
>>97935915Doesn't every tradition come with a morally dubious angsty edgelord character?
>>97935939>if I ever choose to play Werewolfwerewolf took me a while to give a chance but now it's my second fave after vampimo it has better written setting politics than vamp so if you have a good GM it plays like furry L5R (because L5R is based on Werewolf)
>>97935908>>97935914Gangrel with Vicissitude who tries to make herself into a monstergirl but can't make her permanent frenzy features go away.
>>97935943and they weren't into that?... am i confusing the Cult of Ecstasy with the Verbanna again?
>>97935988>herself
>>97935992normally they would but i pissed blood before we stuck serrated rods up our urethras so they knew something was up
>>97935893Select your "clan":[ ] Pander[ ] Brujah[ ] Snek [ ] Gangrel [ ] Malk
>>97936001There are girl Gangrel, they were founded by a woman.
>>97936022Speaking of Gangrel girls, does anybody else fantasize about having a Gangrel girl chained to their radiator that they feed rarely and beat often so she constantly frenzies and thus stays nice and fluffy all the time?Or is it just me?
>>97936019this dude is obviously a Toreador antitribu
>>97935971Unfortunately I think I'm the relegated perma ST for my group until I bite the bullet and find some people online for it.>>97935988>NyahbominationThank you for this Neco-Arc creature. I hate it
>>97936055I don't expect much of toreafags, but I expect something better than that.
>>97936075>Unfortunately I think I'm the relegated perma ST for my group until I bite the bullet and find some people online for it.I almost exclusively GM/play online and for like years I was a permaST for VtM and WtA until this year a bunch of my former players started inviting me to gamesif your meatspace group is mature you can tell them you want a break from Sting
>>97935936Where does THIS gimp fall in the alignment chart?
>>97936109He raped for justice anon
Werewolf Blogger here, just here to report that last game went well. I improved on my STing and better managed when the group was separated.There was no fight last Sunday, only investigation. And surprisingly my players who used to only play DnD 5e really took a liking to that. and are growing to love WoD more and more. To make it short:>The whole group went to sleep after defeating the Hollow Man. I asked them each their last thought before bed. I used that to either guide them into more garou-like way of thinking or encourage them when they do. Nakia, the lupus Silent Strider Ragabash, had a vision. They saw an obelisk in the desert with the symbol of his tribe, and a feeling that the quest to find his heritage has just begun.>On Monday, Rémis the Metis Red Talon Ahroun was sent on janitorial duties in a lawyer firm. He found out that there was a meeting of sort held on a Wednesday. Also one guy blurted out "Fucking Black S-" before being told to shut up by an associate. The dude tried to hide it as being accidentally racist, but Rémis guessed right that racism has nothing to do with it. Though he knew that it was supernatural, he had absolutely no clue what.>Amber the goth girl homid Bone Gnawer Ragabash, along with Stig the Stargazer lupus Ahroun, and Nakia decided to stop being bum and drain the ressources of poor Rémis and his wife Britney. So they went hunting meat... at a dumpster. Amber used hobo-mancy to turn the spoiled meat into edible soup.>A member of Amber's old garou street gang met her, told her that things went bad after she left and a new garou took charge by the "council"
>>97936153>goth girl homid Bone Gnawer Ragabash
>>97933101I can't back this up with proof but other anons have said that on the official forums daveb - one of the mage devs - encouraged and supported this kind of thinking and behaviour.
>>97936128Chaotic Good then?
>>97936153I'm curious how often you spend on story beats? Usually I play with my friends for like 3ish hours and I'm kind of fearful the story is going to stall like a mofo if I try to focus a bit on everything.This is a general question to other ST anons as well.
>>97935843You said the same thing about the grays. Covering up all those abductions takes time away from things that matter, no to mention the need for wiping away memories of those anal probes...>>97935915>Verbena, Euthanatos and CoE try not to recruit rerarded and/or evil people challenge: impossible
>>97936186The Goodest even, he only raped whores and villains.
>>97936213>What if batman but effective Kino,?
>>97936211>>Verbena, Euthanatos and CoE try not to recruit rerarded and/or evil people challenge: impossibleI'd join if those fuckers managed to awaken me. It would still be a net positive in my life.
>>97936153>Rémis also found out at the lawyer firm that there was a ghoul working there, chugging vitae out of an enchanted flask>The group then reunited and decided to try and find Amber's old gang>The gang was missing Amber's dad and his garou pack, as well as the adult kinfolks. A new garou took charge, and made drastic changes. The gang became more violent, did straight up criminal business and recruited normal humans to triple the ranks.>One of Amber's old friends, Mattheo became the right hand man of the new boss. Dude graduated from petty thief to hard boiled criminal. He was a kinfolk tired of living in Bone Gnawer squalor life, and the lap of luxury this new guy brought bought him over>Amber asked to meet the new boss, but Mattheo said that he would only allow her and her gang to meet if she did a job for him. Eradicate a rival drug dealer gang that arrived in town. To sweaten the deal he even offered heroin to Amber. Her addict ass immediately accept, to the uncomfort of the whole group.>Rémis also bought from Mattheo the new drug he got his hands on. Crimson. Which is like sugar cubes but red. Having found the flask of vitae earlier that day, Rémis immediately understood that it was blood, and Stig used the Smell the Wyrm and found that is was wyrm as fuck>They were unsure what to do with Mattheo and Amber's old gang. They wanted to be sure that it was 100% wyrm tainted before exterminating what used to be allies of the Nation.>Instead of going guns blazing on the rival gang, they decided to investigate those bikers first to see if they're wyrmish. Thus justifying the killings. They were not. Just regular Hells Angels-like humans.>They also found out that the gang were about to have a battle outside town on Wednesday, the same date that Rémis found earlier.>They rested, gathered up their rage and waited patiently for the fight. There's around 50 people there. 30 bikers vs 20 gangbangers.
>>97936221But are you evil or retarded? That's a very important part of the process.
>>97936224I suppose I can be evil and I'm a loser, so at least moderately retarded.
>>97936222So the group was hesitant to fight at first. Nakia especially just wanted to focus on the Rite of Passage, surviving one week, and deal wit hthe problem later. Since they were not allowed to ask the Nation for help, logic dictates that they should wait before asking for reinforcements. The Ahrouns were against that. SOme like Rémis and Amber thought that since the gang belongs to the Garou nation, they were forbidden from interacting with them during their trial (I had to specify that they could not ask any form of help, the rest is allowed). Finally they were hesitant to fight 50 people, but I pointed out that most of them were humans and would suffer delirium.The new boss of the gang is a BSD. A young one recruited into the pack of those who attacked and tried to recruit Stig in the past. Permanently tainting him. He is surrounded by BSD kinfolks, Mattheo, another Hollow Man and someone else...A vampire. A setite. One of the lineage of those Nakia's ancestors fought in the past, and the reason that Nakia's family hasn't had any ancestor spirits in generations. He will flee but that will give Nakia something to chase for in the future.>>97936160She sent picrel to describe her character's clothes>>97936187Sometimes I pad up, like with the "what is the last thing on your mind before falling asleep". I do some reasearch and bring up some storylines. I also encourage players to RP, and I can easily go up to four hours.
>>97935245Isn't a bunch, if not all, of the official Japanru stuff written by a white weeb neet living on nipponese welfare and completely wrong on every level?
>>97936274>picrelJust the clothes or is that what the pc is supposed to look like?
>>97936300Her physical appearance is picrel
>>97936002You should've said there was an accident during some impact play and your kidneys got fucked up.
>>97936305Oh, God, give me strength so I do not break Leviticus 18:23
>>97936319good news, she is born homid
>>97936361Cool. We should meet. Like a pub or something?Anon >>97936224 may help me to Awaken, then I can go on adventures with her. Also, I'm not homeless, if that helps.
Any tips on running werewolf? I haven't played it (forsaken) in ages but got an itch to try my hand at running it, probably with apocalypse motivations because I like eco-terrorism more than spirit border patrol. Any good wta modules I could steal from also?
>>97936392Yeah Amber kind of resent the city life, her father and his gang and some of the Bone Gnawer way of life. You not being a hobo helps. Party is currently in Bend, Oregon. Amber got a serious addiction to drugs, almost made her side with an obviously corrupted street gang. You could easily win her that way in your chronicle
>>97936046>kindest Ventrue elder
>>97936407>Amber got a serious addiction to drugsPoor girl.I could fix her. With magical powers.Assuming I don't go CoE and make things worse.
>>97931969 >>97935650Beetlejuice is an obvious fount of inspiration as well.
>>97935915>THEY HAVE A RAPIST AS A SAMPLE CHRACTER IN THEIR *REVISED* BOOKA Dominatrix is NOT a rapist.
>>97935157>If you wanted to make it more playable there's always Orpheus or GeistYou want to know something about Orpheus? It introduced this drug, Hue, that guarantees anyone who’s ever taken it WILL become a Wraith upon their death. Little known fact because nobody plays Orpheus.
>>97936569I never claimed it wasn't silly or as good as Wraith proper, I just claimed it was more playable
>>97935783Nah they let me out early on good behavior and for being a guinea pig for some cosmetics from a company called Pangloss or something. my awful gag reflex also made them feel really big
Why are the Salubri such pussies?
>>97936787Are you still a girl?
>>97936830Purely socioeconomic reasons.
Question:Let's say you could choose a 4th in clan discipline for your PC. Essentially, the Additional discipline merit for free. What do you get?Include the character's clan with your answer.
>>97936990Vicissitude (or, maybe, Protean)-Tremere
>>97936293Ignore it then.>>97936990Usually the fourth discipline I put points in is either Auspex, Fortitude, Presence, or some kind of Blood Sorcery taught by the clan in question.
>>97935949>vampires do something evilwow, cool, I love my edgy vampires, I love playing Path Tzimisce so I don't have to suffer any consequences for ghouling orphan boys and turning them into musical instruments, it's just a part of the game>mage/changeling/werewolf/anything other than a vampire does something evilWHAT THE FUCK EXTERMINATE THEM ALL NOW PENTEX AND THE TECHIES AND THE AUTUMN PEOPLE ARE THE REAL GOOD GUYS WIPE OUT EVERY LAST ONE OF THESE MOTHERFUCKERS EXTERMINATE THEM ALL DOWN TO THE VERY LAST ONE DEUS VULT FOR THE GOOD OF HUMANITY
>>97937108Not human? Gotta go>t. hunter
>>97937466>ayy lmao
>>97936397>probably with apocalypse motivations because I like eco-terrorism more than spirit border patrol. If you like Apocalypse fluff but prefer Forsaken crunch, I believe there's a translation guide.
>>97936990Previous character: Presence (Lasombra)Next character: Vigor (Gangrel)But my personal opinion is that the best disciplines to get out-of-clan are Auspex (safety), Dominate (Masquerade), Fortitude (safety), and Protean (most versatile Discipline)
>>97936990GangrelI would probably say Auspex, hightened senses fit the clan pretty well after all.If I just wanted utility I would say Obfuscate for hiding the clan curse, but that's a pretty boring way of dealing with it.
>>97936876>Purely socioeconomic reasons.You're thinking Brujah, not Salubri.
>>97934034>>97934134>>97934138>>97934140>>97934156Would you say Old Clan Tzimisce can be as frightening as masters of a ghoul/fledgling/blood bound lick as the main clan, even without Vicissitude?
>>97936830if you read noddist lore (especially the The Erciyes Fragments) then either caine or saulot (later lore implies the later more heavily) designed them to be the "sheep" of cainite-kind >>97937693we have not a single named member of the old clan tzimisce bloodline beside a backer character in the v20 true black hand book who is mentioned to have "suffered" under her sire as a ghoul for 50 years before the embrace, but a.) this was written by the backer and b.) it's not described in any detail and some degree of suffering while being a ghoul is the norm. So who the fuck knows
>>97937731Hey nowAs mentioned in previous threads there's also the Hunters Hunted II Old Clan former KGB agent that is singlehandedly turning organized crime across the world against the vampiresAnd V5 has the "prince" of Tokyo(?)That's a whole three characters, all female to boot! BTW the one from Hunters Hunted II is also somehow Lambach's descendant despite being Old Clan
>>97937813BTW the one from Hunters Hunted II is also somehow Lambach's descendant despite being Old Clani keep forgetting about Nevesa because of how stupid and nonsensical her lore is even by tzimisce standardi mean i just fallen for her caitiff coverup
>>97937842>i keep forgetting about Nevesa because of how stupid and nonsensical her lore is even by tzimisce standardVery V5 loresheet material. "This Neonate is ruining elders worldwide!"
>>97937883is she also the only one who figured out how to somehow make caitiff on demand without having another vampire involved to blood mix with?
>>97937911Never heard of intentionally making Caitiff before reading about herAlthough I think there's a Tremere curse that does that, makes the target only sire Caitiff? Might be from an older edition
>>97937693>>97937731I imagine (as is the nature of nobility) that you're basically expected to do all their menial work and scheduling, and that you'll get punished for failure with like getting vicissitude'd into a harp or something, but under that level of strictness and some cruelty ultimately they treat you as a manservant, so relatively better cared for and provided for than a peasant. It's something like a lot of expectations, but also you never really starve. More indentured servant than slave. It is a more intellectual form of suffering rather than being whipped for the smallest infraction I think.
>>97937966sabbat know how to make panders on purpose. if you mix your blood while embracing and none of the packmembers are of a significantly lower generation you get a caitiff. Of couse sabbat looks down on clanless so that's not used often I have no idea how she "screws up on purpose" to make caitiff because the embrace in vtm is not rocket science you drain a guy and then feed the corpse your blood that's it. if you don't do the first you get a ghoul and if you don't do the second you just get a corpse
>>97937993we aren't talking old clan the political faction we are talking old clan the bloodline that does not have vicissitude and the question is if they are as cruel as their flesh crafting kinbut the bloodline is kind of a nothingburger with the characters mentioned in the convo being the only known members of the bloodline so we are told that they are slavic nobility akin to the political faction of old clan tzimisce but the only examples we have are a emo lilim, a paranoid ex kgb who is playing with caitiff instead and maybe (because old clan could also again refer to a political old clan) a threw away line about a prince (yes prince) in v5 who's entire characterization is " i hear she does not hate the tremere. i know suprised me too"
