>>97926100
>Quar is now forgotten
If true then what game is next to be forgotten most likely and why?

>>97926196
I haven't thought of Trench Crusade in a while
And I'm the only person that matters so it might as well never existed

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>>97926100
I was actually considering getting a box of these guys because I found their models really charming. Hadn't heard about Quar until like a few weeks ago when I saw some at a local gamestore.

>>97926100
Why would you say that? There are pretty much constant plastic releases, and the latest teaser WGA posted was some big tank for quar.

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>>97926100
I played two days ago with my buddy.
Ir was fun, I was crusaders, he was coftyr, patrol scale; he won the initiative on all three rounds, and rushed the objective; my Yawdril went down first, but he was ok.
This was our first actual match, and we both enjoyed it, I'm glad I spent a while making terrain too.

I'mma get him a box of Fidwogs when I get paid, and my ither mates are interested in a demo game too, so we shall see where it goes.

Rhyfler.com also had a bit of a revamp.

>>97926213
I actually thought the image was Trench Crusade.

>>97926100
A little bit too weird for my taste, but I like the little guys and the tanks

>>97926213
>>97928780
>Trench Crusade
What happened? It used to be shilled a lot as the alternative to 40k.

>>97929422
Apparently they got high on having their own "brand" and immediately became the kind of copyright-happy jackboot corporatists they depicted themselves as the opposite of.

>>97929422
They became GW but did the fatal error of jumping right to the end state of shit products and practices without slowly boiling the frog to that level so people are really done with their shit.

>>97929608
>>97929655
Sauce, some Reddit bootlicker says this is just an agenda from antiwoke grifters.

>>97929677
>this is just an agenda from antiwoke grifters
To be fair TC might be a grift at this point if what the anons said is true.
I'm seconding a sauce.
>but
Even if the sauce is indisputable the source of the sauce will be branded one of the "antiwoke grifters" and ignored.
I think Trench now has it's own kind of blind supporters like how DnD/40k/Star Wars has.

>>97929806
Well i guess they got what they wanted then? Or something.

>>97929677
They're selling plastic model kits now instead of STLs. In the future, STL releases will be limited.

At least that's what I've heard about it as someone who doesn't play or follow the game at all.

>>97929806
>Seconding a sauce.
NTA, but I was there the whole ass time.

>Around 2024 people are leaving 40k because it's becoming star wars and GW has become disney.
>They're migrating to TC and the discord because TC slaps and is made by cool dudes.
>A bunch get banned for breaking rules (no memes, no gifs, no off topic stuff like polspeak or complaining about GW).
>One guy who's a youtuber called Arch comes on, starts off topic ranting about GW being woke, and tries to get in on the money by marketing himself as an e-celeb who'd made a bunch of TC vids.
>Gets banned. Does a 180 and starts posting about how they're woke and corporate and gay until people start listening. The people who listen to this sort of stuff don't question it because of second opinion bias and questioning the second opinion is fundamentally destabilizing.
>Struggle for months trying to come up with a reasonable sounding complaint (really most of the TC stuff is pretty unobjectionable), until we end up on models.
>Complaints are about; the price of the models (similar to GW, but also higher quality)
>The time taken to deliver kickstarter printed models, if they get delivered at all (they got fifty times their predicted buy-in).
>The quality of the printed models (rush job means slipping quality).
>Now instead of sorting out the printed mini's they're moving to plastic ones (another anon pointed out that batch-selling printed mini's isn't viable for quality or quantity, next to cast ones).
>And finally, people don't like the IP use contracts around making and selling your own TC stuff (you can make weird WW1 stuff, but if you sell TC related mini sculpts as an independent you need to pay them a portion of the profits, and they can use what you make for their IP. People are mad because contracts=scary, they don't get IP, they use digital informatics tech to find people who try sneak by, and you can't make bank selling TC models and calling them your IP.

It's understandable, but fucking dumb.

>>97929422
Youtuber hype ('more grimdark than 40k?') died down because they're trend chasers, leaving the "acktually this is bad" crowd (whom they didn't want to marginalize), trying to explain why it's actually bad.

Meanwhile the guys actually making TC don't really care about advertising it, so when the "woke, REEEEE" crowd gets tired there's not much save word of mouth and its own popularity spreading it.

>>97926100
Quar seems like it should be cool, but there's just not enough material for YourDudes I feel. At least, I gathered from trying to get into it.

It's like Konflikt 47, but more absurdist than supernatural, which I feel makes it harder to get into.

>>97926196
Does anyone remember t28? Or the naval variant of it?

>>97926213
Based simulationist chad

>>97931063
Turnip28 was a shitty joke that's only memorable achievement was stealing the thunder for an actually GREAT game, Sludge.
Sludge is criminally under appreciated, it's 1000x the game Troon Crusade is (lmao stack blood markers on something until you can't help but roll a 9-12, win)

>>97931021
>>97931063
Is there any way to explain why trench crusade is good/bad without mentioning any politics?
>>97931107
Sell me on sludge.

One of the first things i saw about Trench Crusade other than some minis(which i thought looked overdone ian grotesque grimderp way) was a video of a presentation one of the designers did and one of the first things he bragged about was kicking chuds out of the game(assuming he meant the discord bans mentioned above)
That being one of the first things he said in his presentation told me everything I needed to know
Also, and this problem extends to a lot of these smaller games(and 40k), is when you look them up on YouTube you find videos all about da lore, and how epic or cool da lore is, but almost none going over the actual game and mechanics. Quar was one of the few where I found a couple videos of people playing the game.

>>97931021
There's a LOT more to it than this
>went back on basically all the kickstarter promises
>went from "use anything" to "only approved minis may be used at official events/in painting comps/be posted on any social media"
>"we believe the future is 3d printing and all releases will be stl's" became "all new releases are going to be in hard plastic with a gw level price tag"
>openly embraced the culture war and chose to side with the mentally deranged as opposed to staying out of it
>Tuomas gets buthurt when people point out the gaping holes in his historical knowledge
>the setting makes no fucking sense, one side has jets and a space program, but somehow everything is still a stalemate, point this out and you get screeched at/banned
>the decision to depict everything as morally grey - yes the man sacrificing everything to defend his peoples home is just as morally good as the fetus eating rape loving abortion Demon worshipping cultist
>except the Muslims. They get magic Muslim faith powers that work and they are pure bastions of all that is good, no do not read up on the history of the Ottomans or read what the quran says about none muslims
>aztecs are also pure and uncorruptable too, just ignore the human sacrifices or what the other natives said about them
>the rulebook was errated before it had even reached the backers, meaning they got a product that was already obsolete
>the entire scandal over the "open license" and all the eBay sellers whom got shafted for having stuff that barely resembled TC units, some which predated TC
I could go on.

>TC
Chudcels are asshurt because the creators aren't nazis.

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>>97932850
>>went from "use anything" to "only approved minis may be used at official events/in painting comps/be posted on any social media"
That kinda makes sense, DESU, because he's going to be the one dealing with customers who want him to sell them exactly the thing they've seen on Insta.

>the decision to depict everything as morally grey - yes the man sacrificing everything to defend his peoples home is just as morally good as the fetus eating rape loving abortion Demon worshipping cultist
Sounds like he tried to keep the game neutral on the culture war issue.

>>97932857
Is there any way to talk about Trench Crusade without culture war stuff?
Chuds and the Arch youtuber are more rent free in the heads of those who follow Trench Crusade than America is in the heads of North Koreans. I find it fascinating in a morbid way.

anything that portrays demons as good or neutral is inherently evil.

>>97932916
>Sounds like he tried to keep the game neutral on the culture war issue.
Depicting the bastions of Europe as being the exact same as the literal murder cannibal cultists whom rape your corpse as they devour it has nothing to do with "staying neutral".
And if that's the case then why are muh heckin browns depicted as saintly bastions of purity despite, well, all of history ever?

>>97932762
Trench Crusade is good because it's a small group of hobby old guard who've got both business experience, and genuine love for the craft, who started the thing as a hobby project (ala t28) and realized 'oh fuck people bought into this'.
The setting is entirely sincere in its grim dark horror, it doesn't pull punches, but it also makes an effort to present a reasonable alt-history timeline and give different cultures their due complexity.

Oh yeah, and also it's a heavily supported game with a neurotic attention to balance and army theme I have learned from past days on discord that Tuomas is fond of all-nighters but can be bullied into getting off the computer.
It is also functionally FTP.
They post the rules out online, and despite what fags and conspiracists like >>97932850 eventually came up with, kitbashing models is expected, and kinda the norm.
You can play the game without giving them a cent, and it's actually a decent game.

>>97932850
Again anon, I've been here the whole ass time.
I remember each shitty proto-claim and argument behind each of those greentext lines.
You can polish them as much as you want, bounce them off others who insist TC is a new hub of Cultural Marxism trying to weaken the mighty West, but that doesn't make them anything other than willful, delusional, or exaggerated misinterpretations played up to feel outrage over.
Or just complaining about not liking the setting because it has muslims in it, and not americans.

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>>97931063
Eh, these are My Guys.
Yadwdril Gwront, and Milwer Podd.
From the outcome of my prior match, I have decided that Gwront is too gung-ho for his own good. and Podd is a craven coward.

Since Gwront was the first shot in the fight, leading from the front (recovered) and Podd spent most of the skirmish cowering in a bunker after a failed flank killed off his fireteam.

The battle was over an ancestor shrine, near a small Creevish village called "Milldew".

Coftyran forces led by Yawdril Gwydion, and Milwer Pyrynolde siezed the initiative, and held the shrine against the Crusaders, though took significant losses doing so, forcing the Crusaders to find a different site for a forward base.

We already have rules for character advancement, which I shall be engaging with after I find a regular opponent, though this game has been a good prospect.

Equipment rules can be played around with, and the 15mm iteration of Quar encourages scratchbuilt vehicles directly, and the whole vibe is more or less to do what you like with your Quar.
Qualtieri says make your own regiments and partisans if you like, it's there to be played with.

>>97933002
NTA, but the way the devs of that game have treated their own audience has made it impossible for this to be the case. The culture war is here to stay, unfortunately.

>>97933091
This, or words to this effect got people banned from the Trench Crusade discord, apparently. Or at the very least, questioning why and how it is that anyone can call a fight between human beings and the quite literal forces of hell a morally gray conflict got you banned, at least.

Arch and his fanboys are probably correct about Trench Crusade honestly, and that's rather sad.

>>97932850
Yeah see this kinda shit is what people like Arch feed off of and it's why the culture war shitflinging is never going away.

>>97931107
>Turnip28 is a shit game because it presents its dark, apocalyptic, mudcore, napoleonic world as absurdist and comedic, and a funny thing.
>Sludge is so much better. It's a dark, napoleonic mudcore setting where armoured knights clash with riflemen in SERIOUS and GRITTY skirmishes between small fighting groups in desolate muddy battlefields, where they try and inflict gore points on each other until one side collapses.
>Trench Crusade? No not that, that's shit and bad and terrible.

You gotta see the comedy in that anon.

Trench crusade is based because the Muslims are the good guys.

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>>97933351
Arch used to be called Arcch Warhammer.
Everything is a reaction to something, and nothing just happens in a vacuum.

But enough sillyness; I have Quar.

>>97933381
0/10, too obvious.

>>97933388
>>Arch used to be called Arcch Warhammer.
Everything is a reaction to something, and nothing just happens in a vacuum.
That's true obviously, but then that's why I'm saying that this culture war stuff is here to stay. Nobody has any incentive to backdown from their respective positions or at least stop bitching about this or that so here we are.

>>But enough sillyness; I have Quar.
What even are these Quar? I've never heard of this game, honestly.

>>97933351
>questioning why and how it is that anyone can call a fight between human beings and the quite literal forces of hell a morally gray conflict got you banned
Because it is misrepresenting the intent, and quickly became a concern troll topic.
If you think about the setting for 5 seconds, you can understand where the sentiment is coming from, but Americans can not stop being willfully stupid.
Before you respond with idiocy, the point is that the faithful forces are all doing acts proscribed by Scripture in order to survive. They are not Good people by the laws writ by the Lord God they follow.

>>97933360
It's a giant echo chamber of alt-fact morons who need to justify themselves having an intrinsic superiority to others (a symptom of having nothing in their life that can affirm their worth, it's a tragic thing, affects a lot of people), that tell each other outrageous-sounding stuff slightly differently each time, until eventually one spits out a coherent premise, and they all pretend like that's what they've been sharing this whole time and memoryhole the hours spent trying to find something that sounds sensible to an outsider.

>97933351 is a good case study, in the anon is drawing from a casual, simple premise of good and evil in the linked post, that people got banned from the discord for reasons, and has strung them together in a way to imply something morally outrageous has occurred. Forget the fact the two events where these originate from are entirely unrelated. They want to feel outraged and superior.
>>97933409
The issue is that the 'culture war' is just a modern faucet of the much longer lasting war against misinformation.
But enough about that, discuss the merits of Quar.

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>>97933409
There's this planet called Alwydd
These Quar live on it.
They are about five feet tall, rotund anteater-like colourful muppet-creatures.
They have approximately 1920's technology, they smoke pipes and have nation-states, and their ruling classes are quite belligerent, and have basically been engaged in constant warfare for the last few hundred years of their industrial age.

A sort of "Republican" movement arose in a nation called Tok, under the charismatic leadership of a wealthy Airship Engineering magnate and war-hero named Alykinder, who's revolutionary ideals have swept several old Dynastic Quar states aside, until he suddenly died, stalling his crusade; the timeline is at present in a stalemate between the stalling Crusaders, and the reemergent Dynastic states, headed principally by Coftyr, of the Great Bastion Wall, and Fidwog; a mountain state of diminiutive Quar who make highly integrated use of tractors (Quar tanks) with their infantry, and are also known as able sappers and "Cavalry" - though they tend to ride either Cadiers - basically an overgrown hammerhead Guinea-pig with lanky legs, strong enough to carry two Quar in a machinegun gondola, or the Fidwogian specialty; a sort of irascible "Vampire Kangaroo" raised only by them called a "Gwylon".

You can read about their world on rhyfler.com and download the free rules if you care to.

>>97933432
quar is cute I like the activation system it is pretty neat

>>97933429
>>Because it is misrepresenting the intent, and quickly became a concern troll topic.
I see this sort of talk as an excuse to ban people who have legitimate criticism.

>>If you think about the setting for 5 seconds, you can understand where the sentiment is coming from, but Americans can not stop being willfully stupid.
You can bitch about Americans all you like, it doesn't make the idea of a morally gray conflict between Humans, who are at least not inherently evil, with the forces of hell, that is, the literal definition of evil according to multiple religions, not retarded.

>>Before you respond with idiocy, the point is that the faithful forces are all doing acts proscribed by Scripture in order to survive. They are not Good people by the laws writ by the Lord God they follow.
This doesn't work when the bad guys are literally demons, anon. When the alternative is that terrible, the moral grayness disappears and the people who are fighting against said demons are the good guys by default.

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>>97933315
>reasonable alt-history timeline
>templars some how exist before the crusades
>reasonable
I mean you can bullshit your way and claim a lot of things with alt history, but each dumb thing requires suspension of disbelief. Like for example space travel (which need cybernetics and rocket science, but some how is not present in the game or setting), jet fighters but some how this is not enough to at least disrupt trenches.
40k can get away with random bullshit mostly because it can contain it to a random world, but when the random bullshit is all located in the same planet and around the same area of the world it gets harder to believe.
In other words they are trying to pull a honda civic on a medieval battlefield and get mad when you point it out.
Mechanically I have no issues with the game, its the story and setting that has too much noise.

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>>97933444
Yeah, it's good, one nuance is that you take the top card off the activation deck when you shuffle it and place it face down unchecked, which makes counting cards to guess how many activations you have more difficult.

>>97933432
>>It's a giant echo chamber of alt-fact morons who need to justify themselves having an intrinsic superiority to others (a symptom of having nothing in their life that can affirm their worth, it's a tragic thing, affects a lot of people), that tell each other outrageous-sounding stuff slightly differently each time, until eventually one spits out a coherent premise, and they all pretend like that's what they've been sharing this whole time and memoryhole the hours spent trying to find something that sounds sensible to an outsider.
I wouldn't know, I don't participate in the internal conversations that these people have, but Arch sounds more reasonable to me than his opponents, even if he is a sperg or whatever.

>>97933351 is a good case study, in the anon is drawing from a casual, simple premise of good and evil in the linked post, that people got banned from the discord for reasons, and has strung them together in a way to imply something morally outrageous has occurred. Forget the fact the two events where these originate from are entirely unrelated. They want to feel outraged and superior.
Again, I wouldn't know what that guy's talking about because I wasn't there, but I'm also not going to pretend that the Trench Crusade detractors don't have valid points, in my opinion.

>>The issue is that the 'culture war' is just a modern faucet of the much longer lasting war against misinformation.
Who gets to decide what misinformation is?

>>97933474
that's a nice change
cool pics

>>97929806
TC was always a grift, basically by definition, which is to say an insincere money making scheme. The original creation that trench crusade is, is a series of digital artworks, its entire existence as a miniatures game is part of scheme to monetize interest in that because miniatures kickstarters get funded easily. The designs in it were not originally conceived of as miniatures, there was no idea for a game, everything was just made up after the fact to make money. However they still could have executed that in a good faith way, and they just fucking didn't and instead decided to reneg on every single promise at the first opportunity, pinch every penny, and be hyper-letigious about copyright (despite the fact their own designs are so generic that they are effectively just historical/fantasy kitbashes).

It's not really surprising to see companies behave this way, but most companies don't exist entirely because they explicitly promised not to behave that way. It's pretty funny.

>>97933483
Yeah, that's Yawdril Podd's doomed fireteam.
One of them got off a grenade, but it was a bit of a dud and only scattered the Coftys.

>>97933440
Sounds interesting, even if the models look a bit goofy.

>>97933462
That is an issue with the story.
Same thing in 40k or Fantasy, demons and chaos shit is objectively evil their followers can try to drink the kool aid and pretend its moraly grey.
Its like supporting Narcos just because they sometimes do the job that a government should be doing. However you look at it is just stupid and the fucking narcos are not demons from hell but disgusting subhumans that would rape, torture and kill their mother if they thought it could benefit them in some way.

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>>97933492
My g, we have not even begun to goof.
Praise The Boot!

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>enter quar thread
>people are arguing over some obscure games

Anyway, first 4 guys for my Gwynth squad.
Love painting red.

>>97932850
they insulted you bit didn't prove you wrong

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>>97933490
Fokken, Milwer Podd.
I'm still adapting to Quar terminology meself.
Milwer is basically a Leftenant, and Yawdril is equivalent to a Sergeant.

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>>97933525
>Speak of the Devil and he will appear.
Best hats Imo, and the trait that gives their line rhyflers free supporting fire probably makes them the best straight line infantry.

I axed Gemini to render a topographic version of the map of Alwyd we have and it came up with this.

Attempts to make it do a bigger one result in garbled text however.

>>97933558
I feel like it's getting it wrong tbf, as it's ignoring for instance, the presence of the montane border of Fidwog.

>>97933497
That's a problem with "morally gray" stories in general, when one side is dramatically worse than the other, then the side that is "less bad" inevitably becomes the good guys by default.

>>97933500
Is that an official miniature or a conversion?

>>97931021
Bit bad faith with the Arch stuff.
Guy was complaining about GW being woke / corporate for years.
He was actively encouraging people to explore alternatives and so mentioned trench crusade saying it sounds interesting.
However, the TC guys flipped their shit and started to attack him. Going so far as to 'celebrate beating the wrong kind of people' when all they did was ban people on discord.
the discord bans were always leaning toward one side of the political spectrum aswell. Some nut ranting about trans stuff? thats fine. Some guy making jokes about genociding demons? Apparently thats bad.
Then their whole "the Christians are not necessarily the good guys" bullshit when the enemy is LITERAL, FUCKING, HELL.

Then yeah they became super controlling and corporate.

In short, I think it was meant to be a cash grab from the start capitalizing off one guys cool art.

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>>97933588
It's official, it's got stats.
You can 3d print 'em via the official STL's, or contact a print shop to do it for ya.
It's a Militia tractor fielded by a nation occupied by Crusaders; an older design used by the Tollyn-Maeryn Militia of Maer-Braech, who are mostly limited to defensive actions until the Crusader front against Coftyr stalled.
Maer-Braech's home guard is a print only faction at present, which is a shame, since they have little spiked helmets and rifle grenades, and THE BOOT (Faelvor) which I think are very cool.
These are it's stats from the free rules doc.

>>97933588
You could maybe something like the Devilman show, were demons existed on Earth along side dinosaurs and their extinction and later humanity extinction was a result of very convoluted plan from God to teach Lucifer to love. Maybe then you can call demon morally grey, mostly because demons in that show could choose to be assholes or not. Their condition as demons was no different than humans, but their lives are parasitic and how they decide to live that life was what make them evil or not.

>>97929422
Nothing happened, they just had a giant booth at Adepticon with a line around the booth to buy stuff literally every day of the con.
Also at the con they had a few official game sessions that were packed because they sold out within 30 minutes of registration opening three months prior.
Also also they announced a new plastic box set with campaign material, and all signs are perorders for that are going crazy.
Trench Crusade isn't dead, don't listen to schizos on the stupid internet and go actually play some fuckin games

The morally gray part is not "hell is good" but "the people fighting hell are not good.
Consequentialist scum.

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>>97933637
Con stats are biased towards the sort of people who attend conventions.
There are plenty of people still willing to give Trench Crusade a shake, that's true, but seldom does a nascent IP bring such bad will upon itself so early.
It bodes ill.

Anyway.
I imagine Quar make a sound like a strangled bagpipe when they die.
Sort of pitiful and mournful and comical all at once.

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>>97933655
Thing is, the modern leftoid is a moral relativist out of necessity.
And in relation to -the literal forces of hell- almost any alternative is relatively -the good guys-.

That's sort of, one of the fundamental dark attraction of settings like this; it's part of the foundational conceit.

Being so cowardly that you foreswear the conceits of your own genre, is a fundamental malpractice.

>>97933497
>Same thing in 40k or Fantasy, demons and chaos shit is objectively evil their followers can try to drink the kool aid and pretend its moraly grey.
I don't know anyone who does this in 40k bro, it's 100% straight up "yeah man I'm playing the villain" stuff

>>97933655
Anon they are still fighting rape demons from hell.
Even if the good guys are using a machinegun that uses humans corpses as ammunition they are still better than fucking demons.
You can pull the morally grey with shit like space alien vs humans as long one side is not objectively evil by nature.

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>>97933678
You can conversely, pull it with Quar.
They're squeaky muppets that are analogues for frail fallible, but ultimately lovable humans.

It works for Quar, because it's meant to.
For the same reason it doesn't work for something like TC.

>>97933676
Did you miss the entire Abaddon being totally cool and wanting to change the world using chaos?
>100% straight up "yeah man I'm playing the villain"
Is with the Dark Eldar players, chaos players drank the kool aid with all the false emperor shit. Like sure the imperium is not great, but they are not the guys using rape demon factories to produce new troops.

>>97933432
>>97933360
>>97933315
"Arch this, culture war that"
Sweet ever living shit, are you morons obsessed? I mean, you are trenchfags but still.
I'm not American, I'm not a tc player, and the only interest I ever had was possibly using it to play a ww1 Mordhiem/Necromunda esque campaign focused around squads, which it is simply not good for.
Now, answer and refute my points rather than tantrumming about an online boogeyman.
>tc devs waded into the culture war and picked a side when they should have stayed out
>the KS promised stl's only and promoted conversion projects, the devs got a lot of money and promptly 180'd on that
>the setting has gaping holes in the lore that make no sense, such as ww1 esque trench warfare when jets and orbital weapons are a thing
>catholics are shown as just as morally good as the literal rape demons from hell, meanwhile Islam and Aztecs, religions steeped in horrors and evil, get a glowup to be bastions of purity
>Tuomas has gaping holes in his historical knowledge and it shows (what year where the Templars founded again?)
Try to answer without sobbing about "arch" and "chuds" this time.

>>97933678
a lot of people just don't have an intuitive sense of morality and things that are very obvious to you and I completely elude them

>>97933694
>chaos players drank the kool aid with all the false emperor shit
hasn't been my experience at all man

>>97933693
It works in many setting too. You can even try for example claim the commies team killing the Chinese fighting the jap to be morally grey in the sense you can pretend to believe their delusion of bringing utopia to china.
You need to do some heavy mental gymnastic about bringing literal hell into the world and some how eternal torment can be better than some times something bad happens

>>97933678
>>97933674
>but if the ends are good enough the means don't matter!!!!!
Like I said, you are filthy consequentialist scum.

>>97933732
nobody cares about your "but im twying! im doing my very bestest!" beautiful loser shit dawg

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>>97933709
Try Quar; basic troop templates are by rank and faction, but we got rules for character advancement in a campaign.
If you don't like the squeaky meeples, you can use peoples.
We got injury tables, we got facilities for spending Pluck points to do stuff not covered directly by the rules, if agreed on by both players.
And if you shell out for the book or warez it we got tanks and support weapons and soon we'll have platoon scale play to boot.

>>97933732
>but if the ends are good enough the means don't matter!
well yes, you can do mean things and survive or not do mean things and be dead. When the guy trying to kill is also some demon spawn whatever you that is not a hell spawn will be objectively better

>>97933739
>bro you don't get it, we only use the orphan shredder 9000 because the bad guys are using an infant incinerator 9001
Like I said, you are a dirty consequentialist rat.

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>>97933732
Yeah, actually, I do believe the consequences matter.
Thanks for noticing that I'm not a skinsuit being worn by an ideology.
Turns out a decade on /pol/ is actually pretty good for some people.
Iron sharpens iron.
What are you but a sausage?

>>97933748
Is not just bad guys anon. Is not a situation of gringos vs japs in the pacific.
Its humans vs forces of hell. If you do not see the difference you are either retarded on intentionally trying to stir shit.

>>97933748
hey so you lost the argument but no worries bro arguing like a man with a working brain would have been rude and immoral so who really won here huh

>>97933753
>>97933758
>>97933762
>the bad guys are really bad
>therefore I'm good
Is it moral to kill stupid people? Discuss.

>>97933780
>anon is getting stabbed
>anon will not defend himself because his attacker would be upset about loud noises or could get hurt
>anon dies
>attacker continues attacking people
>at least anon didn't hurt someone's feeling
Retard.

>>97932857
Not as much as yourself it seems

This whole thread (except a few posts about Quar and nothing but) is an excellent reason why TC is now shit, assuming it'd been much better.

Thanks for providing a very illustrative example, TC fans, I will now proceed to fuck off forever to anywhere else.

>>97933780
If they are hurting you, and you cannot reason with them, or reasonably detain or disarm them, then yes.
But "The forces of Hell" are not "People" they are the manifestation of the idea of evil itself, and they act out evil, because that is their nature, savvy?
It's the artistic motif of Hell.
You can't "rehabilitate" the idea of Hell, because that obliterates the concept of what Hell -is-, which makes the adaptation symbolically false.

Quar, and real people are not operating on the same semiotic layer, because the conflict is based on political and practical and ideological terms, which are taken from an aloof "omniscient" perspective, such as a third party historian.
Any conflict involving -the forces of heaven and hell- is not operating on that level, but that of a metaphysical struggle between symbolic good and evil.

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It is a Quart thread so all TC retards should fuck off. Also the best tractor of them all - Coftyran's Chyweethl.

>>97933825
Trenchtards are so butthurt that their game's lore suck ass that will go into other thread to defend it.
Not even 40kfags are this annoying and /tg/ exist because 40kfags annoyed the fuck out of /b/

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And another pic.

>>97933740
cute tonk!

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>>97933793
>>97933825
>Moloch is really bad therefore us Baal worshippers are the good guys
The negative moral character of your enemy says literally nothing about your own moral character. I don't know why the fuck this is so hard for you to understand.

>>97933852
>Moloch is really bad therefore us Baal worshippers are the good guys
>brings totally unrelated stuff to the table
>thinks this somewhat relevant and gatccha situation.
Anon take your pills

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>>97933826
>>97933841
It's pretty chadly, but the Twaenhyr is clearly the aesthetic pinnacle of Tractor design.
It look like an Anvil.

I don't know man. Quar are just too quirky chungus for me.

>>97933860
It is a second best for me. Third is Aerfen from Gwynt.

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>>97933852
What exactly are you asking of me?
Or anybody?
Moral perfection?
On what grounds?
If you are a leftist, morality is relative, if you are religious, hell is evil anyway.
And if morality is relative, anybody can decide that they are right, because what they do comes naturally to them.
But this is about the symbol of the idea of evil, manifest on earth.
Which is something different to real men, or even imaginary men in more objectively oriented settings.

People mostly just want to survive, and they don't really care how bad you think they are if you don't care if they survive or not, by any standard.
You throw around moralistic language like it is inconsequential.
I don't think you have a very good foundation to accuse anybody of being -worse than Hell itself-.

>>97933732
When the other side is demons? Yeah I am a consequentialist. The alternative in TC is the triumph of what is objectively evil. Therefore I side with the people who are not objectively evil, since they are the good side by default.

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>>97933871
Nah, I think they're like Worms.
From the videogame Worms.
Qualtieri claims he first thought up their earliest precursor when he was like six; he drew one of these beaky things and showed it to his mum and he said "I call them Hookers!" and his mother had to have a conversation with him about that word.
They are simply alien muppet people from the mind of a child, fighting hilariously bloody wars of attrition to move the drinks cabinet three feet closer to Coftyr.
They exist to fight and die, and be funny and a little sad.
It's not quite the same as Warhammer.
It's not trying to be.

>>97933740
Please don't tempt me more anon, trying to cut down spending until I complete some projects, and the Quar do appeal to me. I almost purchased a box recently.

>97933732
No (you) for you, wailing leftard. It is morally right to fight against legions of hell, and go to extremes to ensure they lose.

>>97933871
that's cool
go smash some beefy buff boys together if you enjoy that

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>>97933887
>>97933939
>THOU SHALL NOT MURDER
>unless, like, the bad guys are super duper bad. Then you can do child sacrifices and make Jesus clones and eat their flesh for a powerup :)
And if you beat someone who sucks at the game, you must be good at it. And since -5 is greater than -50, that means that -5 is a positive number.

>>97934444
What point are you trying to make?
Would you rather lose five percent of your bodymass or fifty?

>>97934673
You expect the contrarian attention whore to have a point beyond trolling?

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>>97934686
It's a rhetorical question.
The point is that I know he doesn't.

>>97933525
Damn that's fine. What's your recipie?

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>>97934703
For the red coat? Nothing special, just citadel colours.
base: mephisto red
shade: agrax
highlight 1: evil sunz scarlet
highlight 2 : 50:50 evil sunz scarlet & screaming skull (stipple this)

>>97933753
Kek, mine is yellow as well. Fits perfectly with the german golden boy intro song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qd7QUjITVA

>>97934673
>>97934686
>>97934695
Getting your arm chopped off is not a good thing no matter if the alternative is getting your head chopped off. The bad guys being bad does not make you good.

Why is this so difficult for retards to grasp?

>>97934849
And sometimes there is no "Objectively Good" option, imbecile, only "Better", which is still a "Relative Good".
Do people actually struggle with this?
Sometimes there is no UN approved humanitarian solution.
And if there was, then there wouldn't be a fucking wargame, would there?

You insufferable ball-fondler.

>>97934840
Oh those aren't mine; mine are the blurry ten year old camera visuals; that's a studio photograph from the print catalog of StrangePlastic.com, who print some of the Quar models that aren't available in plastic yet, and Qualtieri, Mr. Quar, is a partner therein.

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>>97934840
Thank you good Quarsman. Stippling highlights is not something I've tried but I should like to having seen your results.

>>97934444
>>THOU SHALT NOT MURDER
lol you picked the absolute worst point to try and make. Christianity and Islam both draw a distinction between murder and killing. Murder is a matter of the law and killing in self defense is explicitly allowed.

If Quar existed in the Trench Crusade world the coftyrans and crusaders would put aside their differences and kill the demons because that's the objectively moral thing to do.

>>97935745
please dont bring a good game into the shitflinging over TC

>>97929677
>antiwoke grifters
If he used that phrase then he's already ideologically captured and isn't a reliable source of news

>>97933725
Wot? Are you mentally retarded or homeschooled (which is really the same thing)? Chinese commies were the ONLY ones fighting Japs only, it was teamkilling fasciturds of Chiang Kai-shek who spent far more resources stabbing commies in the back than fighting Japs. Ever heard of Shanghai genocide? Literal death camps? KMT both started civil war and broke multiple attempts at creating united front against Japs, cretinbecile, ever heard of Long March? Commies choose to RETREAT to not fight other Chinese forces, and it's precisely this teamkilling idiocy (and running from Japs at full speed even when they had 20x more soldiers) that made KMT extremely unpopular while Commies fighting Japs and liberating peasants from fasciturd warlords caring only about their pockets made the whole country join them and crush KMT scum even despite massive western arms and advisor supply.

Hell, what you wrote is DOUBLY retarded because even people who despised the commies and liked Chiang were disgusted by his moronic idiocy, even bootlicking US ambassador to his regime (general Patrick Hurley) resigned in protest of his backstabbing and the US general Joseph Stilwell who was sent to oversee fighting in China openly accused the turd Chiang of stealing Lend-Lease supplies and using them only to fight commies and doing ZERO to fight Japs...

>>97935528
I'm not talking about killing enemies, dumbass.

>>97932916
>Sounds like he tried to keep the game neutral on the culture war issue.
Yes, we need to appease the baby-eating market

>>97936349
Killing communists is never mistaken.
They forfeit their right to any consideration.
Because their worldview has no relation to reality.
And so, compromising with them is bad for everybody.

>>97936349
Please be bait.
I cannot imagine anyone retarded enough to actually believe this.

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So from looking this up A Clash of Rhyfles is squad on squad and This Quar's War is platoon on Platoon. There is a new aCoR and TQW is listed as obsolete. So is the new A Clash of Rhyfles (2025) both of these rules put together in one book? I'm getting the impression the new book is TQW + supplements using the title of the starter box rules.

I also find it hilarious that Quar had a video game release.