If you study it realistically isn't literally everybody in DND a Pi Zombie?You ever heard of Bicamerality? Basically everyone in ancient Earth from Mesopotamia and Greece had a Bicameral Mind, everyone was Schizophrenic and heard God talking from their right brain, they couldn't think or introspect... so when they lost Bicameral Mind, BRONZE AGE COLLAPSE happened. That's why everyone from that time talks about not hearing God any more, losing Gods, abandoned by Gods... go read Julian Jaynes!So ancient people are Pi Zombies like Schizophrenia... guess what the definition of Pi Zombie is? Someone who can't think or introspect because he hears voices coming from his right brain and just does whatever the voices say...Guess what that reminds you of? That's right, DND. Literally everybody in DND is a Bicameral Mind, they hear voices from the players telling them what to do... everybody in DND thinks they're hearing God, because players are God, remember?Because they're Bicameral Minds they're Schizophrenic, they don't have consciousness, they can't think or introspect...Basically everybody in DND is a Pi Zombie. Know what that means? They're not conscious they can't think... that's the definition of a Pi Zombie! Because they're Pi Zombies they have nothing in their heads... doesn't that make them mindless? Why can they still think? They can't! Every DND is Schizophrenia...
Haha. DUDE WWEEEDDD.Jamie. Pull up that video of a gorilla high on LSD.Garbage can of a thread.
At least it's a fresh shitpost. A low-effort one, sure, but new material. With the current state of the board, that's something, right?
>>97927189P-zombies aren't lack of introspection, they're lack of internal conscious experience.The bicameral mind theory also doesn't prevent introspection, but rather dictates a theological framing for it, and is stuck with very limited evidence due to conjecturing novel neurological details from sparse writings. A decidedly more likely model for such a thing than neurological bicameralism is the fucking "plural" community emulating or inducing dissociative disorders or perhaps the tulpa-forming crowd on /x/.Finally, the players' influence is not a separate diegetic thing from the character, but rather what makes up the character's in-setting behaviors in the first place.
>>97927189>when they lost Bicameral Mind, BRONZE AGE COLLAPSE happenedYou haven’t actually read Jaynes, have you? He posits that the Bronze Age Collapse was a factor that led to movement away from the bicameral mindset, not the other way around.That said, there are definitely some questionable priors underlying Jaynes’s work. No discussion is raised of uncontacted peoples and whether or not they’ve displayed his bicameral mindset, and yet one would assume that small cultural groups that had never encountered any of his pressures away from bicamerality would still display it. He assumes that the form and structure of epic poetry - a format designed for ease of memorization and repetition - would accurately replicate the full texture of a culture’s psychology and philosophy, when it seems more probable that simplification would be the norm. And, most perplexingly, he discusses a period in which children were born with bicameral mindsets and had to be socialized into consciousness without really explaining why that would have stopped being the case, presenting an odd kind of psychological Lamarckism.It’s an interesting notion, and it’s very possible that it grasps the edge of something, but there’s a reason that it isn’t a more widely known concept.
>>97927216Imagine being paid to post something like this.
>>97927189Of course D&D characters have thoughts, there are mechanics that directly interact with them and in the good editions clear benchmarks for Mindlessness those mechanics fail against.
>>97927189Op watches Tor Parsons
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>>97927689Stop posting your guidelines, you should remember them by now
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Huh, it's a thread predicated on a book that isn't literature. Oh well, fresh shit is still shit, and this off-topic bullshit won't get deleted.
>>97927400The thing with the uncontacted people is that they probably have an even earlier mindset. It's still worth studying them but I wouldn't assume they'd tell us too much about early civilized people (unless we let them develop through to that level and studied them along that path, not too likely). Bicameral Mind Theory seems to be more about the early civilized people, human beings who were already part of an abstractly large culture, whose lives already relied on countless strangers that they'd never meet and whose day to day already involved large numbers of strangers they'd never get to know.
