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>>97931658
>Thread Question: With a gun to your temple, would you rather be a hero or a villain?
Hero by default, but depends on the temptations. If there's unethical immortality options, I might go villain for them.

>>97931658
Hero. Better die on the spot than consider the alternative.

>>97931658
Villain. I have my goals, and my own morality. I need no societal approval.

>>97931658
Hero, probably. I have no need for a tainted freedom.

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>>97931658
villain posing as a hero

>>97931658
That is a difficult question to answer. On one hand, the hero is bound by obligation and must, in most cases, be reactive rather than the proactive. They are the effect to the villain's cause, the pendulum swing which makes right the necks of the wicked. On the other, the villain has no such restrictions, neither the dictums of society or sanctity of the gods holds them be, they are free to act and bring the world to bend at their will. Personally, I would choose to be the hero. It is only decent that strength be wielded for those who have none, for is the chance to do true heroism, by genes or circumstance, not itself a matter of luck? To impose your will on the masses is to punish people you could have just as easily been, if a butterfly had beat its wings in a different pattern. That said, I don't think I would be a very standard hero.

>>97931674
Memorise + Tinker is the power combo btw

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>>97931658
>>Thread Question: With a gun to your temple, would you rather be a hero or a villain?
Gun to my head? I think "hero" and "villain" are marketing terms, and only apply to whether the Establishment thinks they can use (you) or not. I've seen too many people of principle fitted for a black hat. And accolades heaped on the heads of people who really didn't do anything special.

Personally, I'd like to think I'm a force for good in the world. And that I'd still be one if I acquired vast wealth or superpowers. Whether I'd be celebrated as a hero or villain, though? I honestly don't know.

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>>97931793
Too many companions are offered in this one, and you can take too few.
Who do you guys think would be the most fun companion/group of companions to go on fun misadventures ranging from goofy to apocalyptic

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>>97931793
Why is the Fire teacher dressed like a slut

>>97931901
>fire teacher
There you have it.

>>97931901
She's a fire teacher, of course she's going to try to look hot, with varying results.

>>97931658
Probably hero, though heavily depends on the setting. If it's one of these fundie 'humans are just slaves to gods' or any other dystopia like shitty stagnant feudalism masquerading as good guys, I am out.

See JRPG Traitor for good example, half of the villains you'd be stupid to join, half stupid to NOT join...

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OH LAWD DEM RANGZ

Lord of The Rings CYOA: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ilDCLXoU1doJS7SBaIGMqkJ7kS86sjho/view

>>97931980
>half of the villains you'd be stupid to join, half stupid to NOT join
which are which

>>97931991
Don't join Athanas and Yazata. Join Tagus and Alis.

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>easterner franchise CYOA
:(
>westerner franchise CYOA
:)

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>>97932058
>>easterner franchise CYOA
>:(
>>westerner franchise CYOA
>:)
Always.

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>>97931989
Would you actually want to live in Middle Earth, if the metaplot stayed in place?

>>97932180
>meta
Stopped reading, started dropkicking my wife, sent fire to an orphanage and played russian roulette.

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>>97932182
>sent fire to an orphanage
Were they under attack by monsters? Or just cold?

>>97932206
They played Tok cyoas. That coldness is on the soul.

>>97932180
>Would you actually want to live in Middle Earth
It depends. If it's just a straight up isekai with no powers, then it's basically just living in a boring mundane medieval world. And if you tried to give BWC to some low-standards hobbit girl, hobbit men would lynch you to set an example for tall big penis haver outsiders trying to steal their women.

>>97932340
>>Would you actually want to live in Middle Earth
>It depends. If it's just a straight up isekai with no powers, then it's basically just living in a boring mundane medieval world
I would say it's worse than that. Middle Earth is a post-apocalyptic setting, and the wonders/terrors of the Golden Age are slowly being destroyed or sealed away, never to be replaced. Most of the fantasy races are on the brink of extinction (like the shapeshifters and ents), and even the humans have been badly ground down.

Do CYOA creators care about where they source their art from or is it a taboo to use art from some artists because of lacking consent?

>>97932382
>consent
This is 4chan newcutie, ain't nobody worried about that

>>97932375
True, but it's a Dunsanian apocalypse. The wistfulness, the decay of magic and wonder is the main element, the people themselves seem to be living fairly well. Hobbits are living in a bucolic paradise where it appears even small amounts of violence is shocking, elves enjoy absurd levels of cultured leisure and then leave to the land of wonder and magic when they're bored of Middle Earth, and even the portrayal of the common man's lifestyle in Gondor, Dale (at least after the dragon, but laketown was doing fine even before then) and Rohan is pretty good by low fantasy standards

>>97932382
>because of lacking consent
Roving bands of cyoa authors come upon a defenceless village of artists... the artists flee but they're not fast enough... the cyoa authors then brutally violate the artist's intellectual property and just move on. That's the world we live in

>>97932382
>Do CYOA creators care about where they source their art from or is it a taboo to use art from some artists because of lacking consent?
No, finding art is hard enough without tracking down the providence of every piece of art you find on pinterest then having to PM the artist for permission. For what, anyway? to use it in a totally non-profit mostly anonymous work that's going to be seen by a few hundred /tg/ browsers (and redditors when they inevitably steal it and claim they made it)

>>97932058
Place of Birth: Cothique
Blessing: Lileath, The Maiden
Youth: Magic and Strength
Betrothal: Jinquella
Unexpected Concubine: Morlanna, Asrai Envoy
Army 1, Magic 2, Strength 1, Intrigue 0

>Born to the waves of the coast of Cothique, a lifetime was spent on the seas of the world as sailor, trader, mercenary, explorer and captain each.
>One voyage, it was not to the surprise of the crew that their destination had been altered on the whims of their Captain, but that their Captain's whims had set a course for home.
>The dreams had come as they had in youth.
>They channeled the wanderlust borne of Cothiquian blood back to the soils of Ulthuan.
>A foot had been placed on every continent of the known world but realization struck that the home of his people had become as unknown to him as any foreign land had been.
>Of all the realms of the Elves of Ulthuan it was Yvresse that was most reminiscent of the domain of his birth but with beauty wholly unique to it's mist veiled shores.

>>97931989
The idea behind the build is that of a down on his luck vagabond that usually makes as a guide, messenger, scout or otherwise lives off the land. Spent a prolonged amount of time around the Shire where he met the Hobbits and ended up meeting Eadria and Dia for work in a tavern one night after hearing that they were looking for someone to that knew the land.

Overall he's more of a supporting character and the skillmonkey 'jack of all trades' of the group.

Purification of Eru:
>Humility, Minor (+3)
>Charity, Minor (+3)
>Chastity, Minor (+3)
>Kindness, Minor (+3)
>Diligence, Minor (+3)

Race: Human (Númenórean, -4)

Songs of Power:
>Song of Strength (-5)

Enhancements:
>Strength, Tier 1 (-2)
>Dexterity, Tier 1 (-2)
>Spirit, Tier 2 (-5)
>Endurance, Tier 1 (-2)
>Luck, Tier 2 (-5)

Era: The Third Age (early)

Origin: Commoner

Skills:
>Ranger, Minor (-2)
>Rider, Minor (-2)
>Healer, Minor (-2)
>Gardener, Minor (-2)

Companions: (-19)
>Billibald Boffin
>May Bracegirdle
>Dia Stoneshod
>Eadria
>Olran

Wealth: Indebted (+3)

Mundane Items:
>Simple Gear (wilderness survival)
>Horse
>Simple Weapon (bow) (-1)

Drawbacks:
>I'm going on an Adventure, Minor (+10)
>Don't you leave him! (+5)

There are two types of CYOA players. Those who would not want to live in a low-magic medieval setting and then those who have not yet realized they would not want to live in a low-magic medieval setting.

Some RL inspiration: No sanitation infrastructure. Regular people do not know how to read or write. Tyrannical local laws (Do the king own all forests and will punish anyone who hunt there like how it was in RL?). Superstition and prejudices are rampant to the point of infuriation (This include medicie and disgusting food habits). People could be declared lawless (People could do anything against you without it being considered a crime, aiding you was a crime and you no longer owned anything, even the clothes you wore). Etc.

>>97932431
This assumes that all such settings start you as the lowest shit-brown dirty serf. Most of the time you are given the option to be part of the nobility or even royalty.
But I agree that dark age europe adjacent settings are always unbearably miserable which is why my first action in these cyoas is to either migrate to a more civilized nation like their equivalent to the caliphates or colonise some yet discovered land in not!Africa/America and start my own kingdom.

>>97932431
>Some RL inspiration:
All irrelevant because this is a CYOA.

>>97932431
id do it if it was an isekai. otherwise no

>>97932472
>Real life inspiration irrelevant.
Is it a medieval setting or not?

>>97932431
Are you also crying about physics while throwing suns at your adversaries?

>>97932480
>adversaries
FUCK DIDO
But also, the thought of someone crying loudly about the conservation of mass or whatever while fighting is funny.

>>97932480
What? No, I'm talking about medieval culture, barbarism and lack of modern amenities among the major non-magical population many anons take for granted in their daily lives.

Do you have the church's permission to throw that fireball heretic?

>>97932496
>Do you have the church's permission to throw that fireball heretic?
Sure. After all, magic are miracles.

>>97931658
a hero of course
and no I don't care if others don't see me as a hero as long as I am one in my own eyes

>>97932501
In inquisition will be the judge of that. Prepare yourself for their interrogation, I would say but they will take you what you do not expect it.

>>97931658
Villain because all heroes are performative cucks

>>97932510
My bussy is ready.

>>97932510
>In inquisition
>what
I need to start watching what I type.

>>97932431
Why are you pretending most cyoas don't have options that make those gripes irrelevant?

>>97932555
>Implying matterjeeta plays cyoas in the first place.

>>97932555
That sounds like a low-magic vs high-magic setting distinction. I wonder if when you replace tech with magic is the setting still medieval or do we just call it fantasy at that point?

>>97932579
Depends on whether majority of population has access to it or if it's just for wizards, nobles and isekais.

Any examples of CYOA creators who make their own traditional art for their CYOA?

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MirrorSeeker just dropped new OC.
https://imgchest.com/p/xny8raqlw4b

I would post it here but its 20 megabytes per image and I don't feel like going through the trouble of compressing each one. Have a magic gift of fave instead.

>>97932770
As schizo as before. Not my cup of tea.

>>97932770
I've found abstract pretty art really kill my interest. No images is even worse, of course. But tangible representative art is best whenever possible. I wish cyoas had a lot more tangible representative art of the environments your character is in, in particular.

>>97932770
No arousing image no build

>>97932854
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>>97932871
>The only replies after an hour of static is whinefagging.
grim, no wonder this place is dead

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>>97932951
Good. We're due for euthanasia.

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>>97932951
It is also 7 o' clock on a work day. Most MirrorSeeker fans are probably busy at their jobs, myself included.

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OC by MirrorSeeker.

https://imgchest.com/p/xny8raqlw4b

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No Face, even though you never played Elden Ring, I wanted to have you as a possible boss encounter in the OC I'm working on. In the single player mode, each area is capped with a boss to be fought, and I had a funny idea for a /no magic/ boss design, and it fits the aesthetic of you I have in my mind. Wanted to know two things - also any other Anons can answer, though I won't guarantee a place in it for anyone else.

1: Which area would you want to start with control of?

2: If you had to forge order on a dissolving reality, what would you preserve/instantiate into that order?

I made this helpful image so you don't have to read a wiki.

>>97933023
>Class Card (Da Vinci)
>Keyblade
>Yorha Bot
>Battlemech(Power Armour)
>+Core Drill

>>97932431
it doesn't matter what kind of setting it is if i have incredible magical power

hygiene and sanitation? magic fixes it
illiteracy rates? just start a school if you really care about it so much
stupid laws? with enough power you are the law
superstitions? who cares? maybe you can even use them, but if not then you can just beat them out of the people you deal with
no protection of the law? lol, i turn into a dragon and breathe fire on your army or something

>>97932579
no, it's not a setting distinction, it's a cyoa distinction, there's plenty of cyoas where you go to a medieval mudworld where everyone is a paranoid zealot who dies of the plague but you yourself happen to be incredibly powerful

>>97933215
Name FIVE

>>97931658
>>97922021
>Legionaire
Great fighter, and mentally tough. A natural conqueror and ruler. Unhindered by Christian morality.

Boons:
>Knowledgeable
>Hardened
>Adaptable

>High test
>Trained
>Tracker

Drawbacks
>Savage
>Cruel
>Obsessed

Are they even negatives?

>Venators Cloak, Upgraded

Best not get caught.

Weapons
>A bow
Reach out and touch someone
>Lance
A navigation aid, and works on horseback.

Enemies
>Dinosaur
>Beastmen
>Amazons
>Scorpions
Most of this won't mess with me in cities, and Amazons are basically slave delivieries.

>Dragons
yeah... A bit dangerous. But not subtle.

Companions
>Hateful Sorceress
Passes the vibe check. She'll be fun, and powerful, and teach me magic.

>A Pale Horse
No one can catch us. And something darker.

Magic items & weapons
>Witch-skin bag
Let's me carry stuff, and learn magic faster
>The Stone club of cain
Ultimate power, even gives a granite skin

>>97933262
more like name five cyoas where you're stuck in a medieval mudworld without any power to do anything about it

it's a made up problem by some sperg who wants (you)s to feel like he's socially interacting even though he doesn't understand the contents of the posts

>>97933277
Also the gorgon knife. Something to kill the dragons with

>>97928547
>>97928903
I now think I can do it, I've scoped out the structure and it's not too long. There's a cyoa/ryoa model I want to try out, some will probably dislike it. You choose companions, each has a roll table for plot hooks, it's your job to combine them into a coherent adventure.

>>97933201
The setting will shape you as you live in it. A "you are what you eat" kind of a thing.

>hygiene and sanitation? magic fixes it
It does not fix the stench. Streets full of literally shit. All the bugs that attract. Friends dying from diseases when you are not around.

>illiteracy rates? just start a school if you really care about it so much
Are you going to write the books for them to read too. Are you going to invent a printing press? Do you think the nobles will be fine with that? Sure you are a dragon but with a big enough bounty it might attract aspiring dragon slayers.

>stupid laws? with enough power you are the law
That is what 3rd rate villains usually think before they get their ass kicked in some stupid way they had not forseen.

>superstitions? who cares? maybe you can even use them, but if not then you can just beat them out of the people you deal with
You are going to be blamed for anything that goes wrong because you anger the forest spirits or something. Bad harvest? You fault.

>no protection of the law? lol, i turn into a dragon and breathe fire on your army or something
There is no army coming for you. People will get punished at a later date for giving you any kind of respect or dignity. It is a way to completely isolate you. Since you are so strong people will just flee at the sight of you, never trade with or talk to you. Even if you use mind powers to make them engage with you they will get punished when you are not around. - Honestly the medieval period had some nasty punishments and being declared lawless was probably one of the worst.


Low-magic medieval settings suck to live in, even if you are godly.

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>>97933138
Is this a cuck cyoa?

>>97933153
What an honor! Going by your helpful image (thanks) I would pick Deeproot Depths, Altus Plateau, or Ainsei River. Not sure how to answer your other question without context, but if we were to go by how I imagine my actions here, I guess I would try to preserve a participatory atmosphere and dialogue between disparate people, and uphold their creativity as an antidote to entropy insofar as there can be one. Not sure that really fits what you're going for. This does sound like a funny idea

>>97933363
>It does not fix the stench. Streets full of literally shit. All the bugs that attract. Friends dying from diseases when you are not around.
magic fixes all of that

>Are you going to write the books for them to read too. Are you going to invent a printing press?
you can if you want to

>Do you think the nobles will be fine with that? Sure you are a dragon but with a big enough bounty it might attract aspiring dragon slayers.
there's no reason to worry about the former, or do it on your own lands if you're a sissy coward

>That is what 3rd rate villains usually think before they get their ass kicked in some stupid way they had not forseen.
if the law is actually that stupid then you aren't a villain for going against it

>You are going to be blamed for anything that goes wrong because you anger the forest spirits or something. Bad harvest? You fault.
you're also going to get treated as one of those spirits, who the fuck goes against a dragon over a bad harvest, they're probably all shitting themselves at the thought

>Since you are so strong people will just flee at the sight of you, never trade with or talk to you.
they don't necessarily have a choice if you're the law of the land, meanwhile if you turned yourself into a dragon you can also turn yourself into a human

>Honestly the medieval period had some nasty punishments and being declared lawless was probably one of the worst.
it's irrelevant when you are the law

>Low-magic medieval settings suck to live in, even if you are godly.
more like they present a few projects for fixing things up if you care about your neighbors or don't matter if you don't

>>97933375
I wouldn't say so, not anymore than CYOAs where gods exist but you aren't one. There appear to be a few avenues for pursuing greater power. Becoming a Green Knight, for instance, or trying to usurp judge status.

>>97931674
>Memorise, Sleep, Screen, Tinker
Seriously these are ridiculous. I hope live-action isn't the actual limit, or else how am I going to enjoy banging hot anime babes with screen? I guess tinker could make me something equal.
>>97931788
you're right

>>97933138
I love this guy <3

Where is gil

>>97933512
You got a weird double standard. You on one hand say that you are unchallangeable because having magic makes your word law but on the other hand ignore that it is a "low" magic setting, not none-magic. By your own logic the "law" you will be fighting against will also have access to magic and you are likely not the strongest badass in that world.

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>>97933454
Deeproot Depths then, which fits the aesthetics of your imposed order the best. A bit out of the way, and without one of the Runes that are strictly needed to 'win' the CYOA, players will need to seek you out to attain a specific kind of ending. I grant you the Rune of Death, as well as guardianship of the Mending Rune of the Death Prince.

>>97933640
not necessarily at all, cyoas almost always make you massively stronger than the average person in them, just pick one that does so in a low magic medieval setting and you immediately disprove that guy ranting about how much such settings suck

they might suck for everyone else but they almost never suck for the reader

>>97933615
Posting cats on discord. Like his gay idol sda.

>>97933615
Gil died of old age.

Reminder that the world of Elden Ring is feminine and females are better at magic than the males. They’re better martials too.

>>97933615
>>97933652
Who was Gil?

>>97933661
a cutie patootie mostly

>>97933659
Why would you think that?

>>97933659
Greatest warrior of all time is a man. He is also a brainwashed incestuous faggot, but he is nonetheless a man.

>>97933667
So he lost to a magic (feminine) shota, and to a woman 1/10 his size?

It would seem that femininity > masculinity

>>97933666
Moons = 70 int
Stars = 60 int

Only women were smart enough to see the moon lul

>>97933659
So you are saying the females are the males of the Elden Ring setting?

>>97933659
>>97933666
>>97933667

There are strengths and weaknesses to the Feminine Aspect and the Male Aspect. Both are needed to maintain Order. Lord (Male) and Consort (Female). One need not be one physically to be the other spiritually. Take THE LOATHESOME DUNGEATER, he spiritually became female to gestate the Mending Rune of the Fell Curse, which makes him canonically trans.

>>97933677
Yes. The feminine moon is actually more masculine than the masculine stars which would have you get face fucked by the crystallized jizz of outer space. With the power of the moon you don’t need to get covered in crystallized space jizz.

Women win again.

>>97933672
You're shifting the goalposts, neither defeated him by direct martial force. Ergo, they are inferior martials.

>>97933675
What of the gem wizards? The most enlightened magicians in the setting, and invincible to any attack the player can bring to muster.

In Harry Potter, all the geniuses seem to be men.”

>>97933686
They’re rocks anon. They’re brain dead and suffering a fate worse than death. It’s not a good thing.

>>97933691
Even Gandalf and Merlin are men.

>he can’t accept the enlightening brunt of the cosmos
>he has to stick to the closest thing - the moon - out of fear
Carians are pussies

>>97933696
They’re actually fine, anon

>>97933682
The LOATHSOME dung eater being a tranny makes sense, but does this mean that female tarnished are all spiritually troons?

>>97933696
They're extremely powerful magicians, it's just that in the process of gaining that power, they realized there was no reason not to chill.

>>97933701
Merlin was a simp who let his crush seal him in a cave for all eternity after he taught her his greatest spells just to see a flash of her tits. “Worth it to see boobs”. Fucking idiot.

Odin wore dresses and sucked dick by the way.

>>97933706
>>97933711
They’re literally dead. They can barely even move. They also got kicked out. So they are objectively lesser to the Carian women.

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>>97933715
Only female one to touch the primeval current became this instead, couldn't handle the masculine magics.

>>97933719
She was actually worshiping the two dumb males who led her down that path, retard. The stars are for retards.

>>97933713
>Odin wore dresses and sucked dick by the way.
Stop learning mythology from gay porn videos.

>>97933719
becoming a ball was the point retard
sellen won, azur and lusat lost

>>97933719
>1 girl
>30 guys
she's enjoying herself in that, she can barely speak through the orgasms

>>97933711
The player character ones, yes, spiritually. Which is standard in setting, considering Radagon is Merika. The God in Consort is the vessel for the power of the Order, the Lord is the one that Imposes the Order.

My CYOA will allow you to either be Lord or God in Consort, so that it does not lock characters into being Troons.

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Holy lorelet alert

>>97933715
Lol. You DO know that there’s an entire god-damned race made entirely out of glintstone in the game, right? Not sure where the idea that glintstone isn’t capable of moving or animating itself came from, when it quite literally grows like a plant, and spells behave like living lifeforms. The ‘wisdom of stone’ was the study of the residual life/vitality within glintstone, but was also the study of how residual life/vitality could manifest itself as advanced inorganic cogitation, which is seen in the inorganic crystalians and the primeval sorcerers. It’s pure intellect, or logic, without any frivolous thought involved. The ‘faint cogitation’ refers to them being largely unresponsive or just frustratingly enigmatic in their ways, and the primeval sorcerers are one step more enigmatic than that. It’s also implied that they were crystallized even before they were removed from the academy. They’re old as hell. Corpse sages. Living relics.

Not sure why you guys can’t parse lore. The concept artwork of the two primeval sorcerers also has them standing upright. Certainly not stuck in position.

>>97933750
She actually tried to ascend like her masters. She is the one who failed. She tried to skip steps and cut corners. She was no surviving ancient astrologer.

>>97933770
>You DO know that there’s an entire god-damned race made entirely out of glintstone in the game, right?
there are only two races in the game, human and those who live in death

>>97933770
They’re dead bro. They can’t do anything.

>>97933779
Ah sweet a golden order commie zealot

>>97933788
coruption into being stone-like or a flaming zombie or something doesn't change your race anon

remember, you will always be a human :)

>>97933781
Azur is fine, anon. He is levitating in meditation the same way the crystalians are. He’s probably astral projecting into space the same way Sellen is projecting outside of her prison cell. She takes their primal essence the same way you take her primal essence. This is how sorcerers propagate themselves.

>they still think Sellen turned herself into a hall
Lol, lmao even
Are we to just assume that Sellen decapitated herself and THEN put herself into the ball?
Yeah nope these are explicitly artificial creations they don’t just happen and you’d need assistance in their fashioning

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>hall
ball* stupid fucking phone

And you know I’m right too

>>97933797
Are sorcerers capable of parthenogenesis? Does that mean they're all gay?

>>97933820
That kind of quest design made a lot more sense in the linear souls games than in an open world

>>97933824
Idk
Glintstone is some sort of silicon based cancer lifeform that the sorcerers have managed to repurpose by instilling their life essence into it via sacrificial-suicidal practices

— To a glintstone sorcerer, the body is a transient thing. The Cuckoo alone knows its insignificance, yet watches over it all the same.

— Those who dedicate themselves to the study of glintstones formed from starry amber receive this modest yet elegant deep blue garb along with their vows of virtue and austerity. But with extended life, one is apt to forget old vows.

— An old glintstone blade that has been stained with blood. The old sorcerers would slice open their hearts with these blades to imbue a primal glintstone with their soul, and thus did they die.

— Glintstone from within the sorceress Sellen's body. Seemingly half-alive, blood vessels are visible within. In essence, a primal glintstone is a sorcerer's soul. If transplanted into a compatible new body after their original body dies, the sorcerer will rise again.

— Smarag was a devourer of sorcerers, and over time, his body became corrupted by their glintstones.

If the good natured Rennala didn’t ban its practice because of how sinister it comes across, then Radagon definitely did when he realized space rocks could be used in favour of his golden roots (Erdtree burial)

All fromsoft npcs have an obligation to be frustratingly (infuriatingly) vague and go “heh heh heh …” at the end of their speeches

>>97933774
>She is the one who failed.
nah.
Graven-Mass Talisman desc:
>The primeval current is a forbidden tradition of glintstone sorcery. To those who cleave to its teachings, the act of collecting sorcerers to fashion them into the seeds of stars is but another path of scientific inquiry.
Dialogue from Jerren:
>She was known as the graven witch obsessed by the primeval current, countless sorcerers fell to her hands
Sellen dialogue:
>With the bodies of Masters Azur and Lusat returned, the academy can hone the primeval current. So that we, fallen children of the stars, shall beam with brilliance once again
More Sellen dialogue:
>Glintstone is the amber of the cosmos. [...] glintstone contains residual life, and thus the vitality of the stars.
>The Crystalians are inorganic beings, yet they live. They cleave close to the ideals of the primeval current, and as such, they are revered guests of the sorcerers.
>Lusat/Azur had reached a near-inorganic state.
>I need him to restore the primeval current of glintstone sorcery. He's nigh a child of the stars, such is his body now...
becoming the ball, a seed of stars, is the whole point. lusat and azur had merely reached a near-inorganic state, not the true inorganic state of the crystallians or graven masses. if left undisturbed, graven masses eventually become stars. becoming a star is the goal of primeval current sorcery

>>97933848
Nope. Wrong. Her magnum opus ball would have been a lot nicer. She’s doing the same shit the Hornsent did. Mashing life together. Her balls are very much like the Hornsent jars.

She likely had greater goals in mind. She wouldn’t put herself in with an early stage experiment. Someone did it to her.

>>97933848
>if left undisturbed, graven masses eventually become stars.
Desu I always thought they were failed attempts. If glintstone = star lifeforce then you need an absolute shitton to get anywhere close to being a true star. If graven masses don't gain more vitality and glintstone over time to eventually evolve then they should stay as masses forever.

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>>97933848
The ambiguity of her last lines always stuck with me.
If she was thankful, she would have said 'Thank...'

What is she? "I'm sorry?"

This seems like a failure to me.

>>97933848
>>97933858
She also only uses the heads of the sorcerers who went against her and the primeval current. She only uses the Olivinus and Lazuli crowns. No Karolos frown to be seen anywhere.
>>97933861
They are explicitly mad science experiments. We don’t know what ‘seeds’ in this case will progress into. It could have been just the beginning stages of her grand design. Or theory. Insane or not I doubt it was her true end goal.

>>97933869
She can still teach us spells. She’s just vibing. She plugged herself into the VR.

>>97933869
>>97933875

>>97933755

>>97933820
>phone
You are hereby banished from /cyoag/.

>>97933870
>We don’t know what ‘seeds’ in this case will progress into.
Stars. They're literally called seeds of stars.

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The reason why the moon sorceries cost so much intelligence is because they focus on the human intellect over some alien transhumanism that takes over the brain, changing the intelligence and mind altogether. Rennala would rather you stay human and original.

We know this because the moon is quite literally a reflection of the sorcerer. It’s not an alien presence. You are that presence. The sorcery has you literally turn into the moon. The twin moons that Rennala and her (twin?) sister saw were a reflection of their bond and closeness as a pair.

This is why the moon is associated with water. See the royal moongazing grounds at the Carian manor.

This isn’t really surprising given the as-above-so-below astrological themes in the game. The macrocosm-microcosm. There’s a constellation for everyone that showcases their fate and destiny. Carians see themselves in the moon, not just the stars.

Anyway, Rennala was the metaphorical mother to the academy, keeping her students (‘sweetings’) safe from looking too far into the stars, away from the moon.

>>97933902
Okay. Now what does this star look like? A malformed star like Astel? A flourishing mass of glintstone? Stars are nebulous in this setting.

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>>97933882
>>97933755

>>97933904
Elden Ring would be so cool with Disney style art to contrast the dark edginess of the lore. George believes magic should be deceptively beautiful. Colorful on the surface but black and tainted underneath.

>>97933904
I feel so bad for Rennala desu. Easily the most tragic character. In a world where wizards are regularly ruining themselves by turning themselves into monstrosities, Rennala’s ruin was a surprisingly human one, and she is a poetic soul all around.

Dumb males missed the moon for the stars
Yass queen slayyyy
Show them that Wiccan strong gurl Sailor Moon power
NASA would be so proud to know that girls think the moon > deep space

>>97933907
Stars look like jobbers to Radahn. By extension, they are jobbers to Miquella. Anyone pursuing the stars is doomed to be beneath a faggot.

>>97933929
Hey, troll bitch. Nothing is more occult or alien or nebulous than space. Nothing is more unknowable, and as such, magical.

This is good writing because it implies there is something more to the moon than meets the eye. Something human.

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Stop swallowing the bait stupid cyoaggers.

>>97932431
The middle ages aren't as bad as usually portrayed. And to adress your points individually.
>No sanitation infrastructure.
Some sanitation did exist, bathouses, although not as large as during the Roman period, continued to be largely popular until the Black Death.
In comparison, sewers would be open and exposed, feeding into outflowing streams like those on the the River Thames in cities. While in rural areas it would be barried in trenches and used as fertilizer if near agriculture. This only starts to break down when you get to high population densities and the outflow starts to exceed what the environment can handle.
Sophisticated closed sewers and aqueducts were technologically possible as evidenced by the Romans, just cost prohibitive to the weak governments that followed suit.
>Regular people do not know how to read or write.
Literacy at the time was to be able to read and write in Latin, you would not be considered literate in Medieval Europe. Books were expensive and could only be copied in significant quanties by church scriptoriums, which by and large, mostly produced religous texts in Latin.
As for literacy in native languages, the percentages are unrecorded but would have been far more prevelant with people as low as skilled craftsmen being able to read. And would have been most used in courts and legal institutions.

>>97933947
you have no understanding of bait

>>97932431
>>97933950
>Tyrannical local laws
Hard to say, the Catholic Church officiated and legitimized most laws of which the tyrannical laws they would have allowed would be old Roman ones like the poaching restriction afformentioned.
Most injustices commited would have been by unwritten rights and privileges or, if particularly egrigous, have been rules made up on the spot. This is less an issue of being medieval and more an issue of weak protections and corrupt administrators.
>Superstition and prejudices are rampant to the point of infuriation (This include medicie and disgusting food habits).
Superstitions for the time are wildly exaggerated. Paganism being syncretized with Christianity would have holdovers like Demons and spirits being created. Otherwise the Catholic Church largely resisted such nonsense classifying it as hersey. Though its practice in spite of this was significant. Witch trials, were an exception, with official approval from the chruch in spite of their previous stance. Their adoption however would only be significant by the reformation period after the medival era had ended.
Medicine would continue to be a backwards process all the way up to 1928 when Penicillin would be discovered. Before sterilization is possible, all medicines would rely on the bodies natural recovery, with the only effective solutions doctors could give being herbal remedies, removal surgeries, and lifestyle changes. You probably wouldn't die from your injuries as long as it was not to a vital organ or infected before treatment.
Food at the time would be whatever is local and isn't poisonous. Mostly bland with little choice, though spices were popular and avalaible albeit expensive. Most issues of food safety would be pest infestations in granaries and other food storages (still a problem today).

>>97933941
Stars range from specks or motes of stardust (as seen underground and around graven masses) to literal space cows and giant space bugs you realize. Space could just be a bigger cave. Astel is even based on cave dwelling bugs.

Radahn only halted “the stars” though, not the stars as a whole. The stars still align (“the stars have aligned!”) and fallingstar beasts still land. Clearly he was just flexing his territory and Carian has heritage to the region (duh) and this affected their fate.

A woman? Doing magic? I wouldn’t trust it. You wouldn’t trust a woman’s math, would you? Precisely my point.

>>97933956
>>97933950
okay, now post the cyoa where this is relevant because you just cant bonk an injured person with a healing spell

>>97933962
……………………….lol

Don’t tell Christians that their holidays were originally pagan holidays and that Christianity is like the Chinese in that it steals everything and claims it’s theirs

someone PLEASE respond to him with shitdark im away from my pc right now

God was originally an arid pagan wind deity

>>97933982
https://imgur.com/gallery/shitdark-cyoa-v1-2-by-bold-KNxkCxA

>>97933981
>>97933986
So?

>>97933990
>>97933982
wow what a great cyoa, the only thing it's better than is the quality of your arguments

>>97933958
I know, I was just being facetious.

Remember that time China almost got fucking destroyed because some schizo Chinaman thought he was the brother of Jesus Christ and it was his holy mission to end the Qing dynasty? I remember.

>>97934022
It was one of the top five wars for casualties in human history, on top of that.

>>97934022
no grampa, only you are that old

>>97934022
Chinese history will never not be hilarious

>>97934052
The fuck? How does this perspective exist and last so long when they had coastlines and therefore some sort of fleet for most of their history? I mean, the Greeks and Romans didn't exactly take very long to figure out that the earth is round, by comparison.

>>97934052
They thought they were the centre of the world, lol.

>>97934075
They were very averse to challenging traditional notions

Consider the following three scenes:

There is a lawn mower mechanic. He can set the spark plug gap. Clean the air filter. Sharpen the blades. Change the oil. Tune the carb so the air to fuel fix is correct. He can fix the lawn mower but he doesn't understand how all the components come together to make the engine work.

Next is the lawnmower designer. This guy understands how everything on a lawn mower works. Using that knowledge he is able to build a better more efficient mower. He adds an electric start. He reposition the air cleaner so it is less exposed to dust. He redesigns the engine to be more efficient. He even invents a new lawn mower that hovers off the ground rather than using wheels. ( Not all his inventions are great )

Then there is the guy who questions the need to even have a lawn mower. He comes up with several alternative solutions. He genetically engineers a grass that will only grow so high. Or he invents a tiny solar powered drone that senses when a single grass blade is too high and snips it with a scissor like implement, repeating this all day every day. Or he questions why people have grass lawns in the first place and decides to replace it with wild flowers, shrubs, bushes and small trees, letting it grow naturally, with paths snaking in and around the garden.

These are the three categories of scientists. Most belong in the first category, some in the second, and just a very few in the last category.

The Chinese however have none in the last category. They can fix, they can improve, but they can never think outside the box. They can never conceptualize a new idea or a different approach. They can only work with what they already have ( or stolen ).

Also: 99% of all /sci/ and DIY Reddit posters belong in the first category, watch them seethe.

>>97934153
Yeah I don’t know why white people (and Jews) have such a high concentration of genius. Everyone else has to rely on their own quantity (vast numbers of non white people) to produce eventual quality that will no doubt arise at some point. But the white man did a lot more with a lot less.

>>97932728
>Any examples of CYOA creators who make their own traditional art for their CYOA?
QuinbriggAnon made all his (?) own anime inspired art.

>>97934292
>That China got conquered and taken over and raped numerous times doesn’t erase the fact that they still pulled themselves back together, time and time again.
it kind of does? you can't even define who "they" were in that sentence at that point, because if it was just the ethnicity then all continents have an older civilization than 5000 years

>>97934276
>>97934292

Even the name China is fairly new (Post 1500). Coined by foreigners IIRC.

By their logic any populated area that can trace any civilizations back to before the current existing nation can claim they are one of the oldest running civilizations. It is just gaslighting telling people to ignore common sense to respect Chinese sensibilities.

Europe and Africa probably got China beat on being an old civilization by their own standard.

>>97934314
there's plenty of that going on in the west too, it just doesn't get called the same civilization because we have different countries

that's really the only difference between china and any other place, and the oldest civilization in the world is in africa

>>97934292
This is just every country and people ever. Humanity is one long history of brutalizing each other, and nowhere is safe from it.

guys....

>>97934335
it was functionally the same because the only actual thread is ethnic descent and literally everything else is replaced in both areas

>>97934314
That is not true. There used to be many civilization that saw each other as barbarians. Even the label Han fails as a unified element in the southern regions where people see themselves more as things like Cantonese or Hakka. The Chinese identity is just a modern construct forced down on people.

If you visit China and travel with a guid you will experience that they often cannot understand a word that is being spoken once they go south.

>>97934337
Someone post a historical war cyoa so this is on topic

>>97934362
it just feels like too much focus is given to unified rulership when that clearly wasn't relevant to how the two civilizations performed as rivals, if the one that was fragmented somehow won in so many areas for so long over the unified one then clearly your assumptions and definitions are not fit for purpose

>>97934369
>All civilizations saw outsides as barbaric
No I'm talking about people living in areas that we today define as Han who saw other nations in areas we also define as Han to as barbarians.

A lot of modern Chinese history is revisionist. You don't need to go further back than seeing how they rewrote the Uyghur and Tibet cultures as "always having been a part of their own".

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>>97934353
I've got you covered, kemosabe.

>>97934390
retard alert, rivals don't fight, the word you're looking for is enemies

>>97934398
>they’ve always survived and rebuilt, no matter what.
nothing survived except cultural and ethnic ties

>>97934403
i'm glad you agree, retard

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>>97934398
I am not saying those dynasties did not exist. I am saying they had a very different culture from what we today identify as Han Chinese. They may be genetic descendants of modern Chinese people but they were not "Chinese" in the way people identify a civilization. For some reason we give China a special previledge in this area.

>Elaborate?
They historically had never seen themselves has Chinese before China invaded them.

>>97934418
we don't really give china a special privilege, they just take that privilege for themselves, while other similar places that could do the same thing don't want it

it's like if you had the european union uniting into a dictatorship tomorrow and consolidating all its history into a single mythology that goes back to 3000bc, it's not like anyone else could argue

>>97934422
if that's literally all that matters then chinese civilization isn't different than any other similar area, it's outdone by some of them, and the oldest civilization in the world is in africa

>>97934415
Sorcerer Artist

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>>97931793
>Teacher
+2 on Harlen so I can learn to create thermonuclear warheads

>Skills
crafting 3
tradecraft 2
alchemy 3 I WILL GAS THEM ALL
Command 3 so I can lead my fellow chuds into victory against the wömen
Investigation 3 so I can nooootice (((them)))
Holy Faith 1 Hitler's undying spirit will protect me

>magic 20-15-3-1-1
Lore of Earth 2
Lore of Heavens 5
lore of fire 2
lore of water 1
lore of wind

>Inventory
Specialized Tools - nuke building tools
Trading Licence - I will need to procure the supplies for my nukes somehow I suppose
Sanctuary - ye olde nuclear launch facility
Skilled Worker*50 - pvre aryan genivses and engineers ready to help construct my weapons of mass normie destruction
Small Skyship - for bombing brown people and libtards

>Companions
Haemar MacFahrgbard - his manlet rage will hlep with the construction of new men of wö killing machines
Aodhachan because racists gotta stick together
Bartheloth is lowkey relatable so he can join
Njal is the NORDIC ARYAN ideal, natvrally I need him for my 5th reich
Kleek my beloved we will gas the entire world together

>>97934439
Rome only didn't exist as a civilization for thousands of years for the same reason Xian didn't exist as a civilization for thousands of years. You're not comparing the two by the same standard.

>>97934452
>Their way was more consistent.
why would that matter? we just said that the only thing that matters is ethnic and cultural ties, and they weren't more consisten on those two specifically

>>97934439
The city Rome still and Europeans still study the filosophy from its era but nobody in Europe today claim to be Roman. Modern Italians certainly do not claim the Romans were Italians.

The east asian dynasties of the past are gone in a similar way, yet modern Chinese claim the dynasties of the past were "Chinese" like them.

>>97934468
I mean, so was the HRE and that pretty clearly developed into the EU at this point.

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>>97933875
>She’s just vibing

>>97934495
It's not strange, it just demonstrates it's nothing more than belief and cope.

/cyoag/ - Chinese historY Only Always General

>>97934502
A sense of unity lasting longer is shown to be irrelevant when the less unified civilization demonstrably performed better.

>>97934495
In that case the Bulgarian civilization is more than 8000 years old. The young civilization of Germany is only 5000 years old.

>>97934517
I dunno anon like not to violate global rule 3 or anything but I mean *looks outside* I don't think we are doing so well here in the west

>>97934502
Why don't we just unite? Asian bureaucracy paired with White innovation could dominate the cosmos. Imagine what an aggressively eugenic synthesis of Evolan and Confucian thought might accomplish.

>>97934535
you're just pessimistic because of temporal and geographic proximity and the doom moaning media, in an objective sense things are going fine

>>97934537
we need enemy ayy lmaos to give us unity

this is why my chain of isekai build decided to seed the solar system with freaky gemergence spawners and yummy worldblood resources, gotta kick humanity in the ass and get them to unify and look outwards

>>97934497
CYOAs for this feel?

>>97934572
just like my cultivation animes

>>97934582
that kind of thing happened all the time in the thousands of years that are the context of this conversation

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cyoas?

>>97934616
Ultimate God?

>>97934616
I no longer truly remember what cyoas were like. It was so long ago I last saw one. Would you even recognize a cyoa if you saw one today?

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>>97933759
You better give me a twinky femboys malewaif companion.

They're part of Fromsofts secret sauce a d a staple of their games.

>>97934633
thanks for the pr blurb

>>97934657
??? how would socialism manipulate anything exactly? and what would the results look like?

I love Chinese culture. Their porcelain vases? Sublime.

>>97934664
that would be a lack of democracy, for which you don't need any sort of socialism

>>97934676
>But socialism being socialism, this always fails and leads to tyranny.
no, there's no magical mechanism that causes socialism to create autocracy, it's not particularly more vulnerable to it than any other system of governance

>>97934681
>No. That IS socialist democracy. Getting rid of your rivals.
complete nonsense, it's not like capitalism is any less invested in getting rid of your rivals and you don't see an issue with democratic capitalism as long as it stays democratic (corporations need to be curtailed btw), so why is democratic socialism any different?

>>97934683
like half of europe is socialist democrat right now, and the other half has prominent and active parties that are socialist democrat

china has a lack of democracy, not a lack of socialism

>>97931827
Last time I did it I decided on taking as many of the useless kids/teens as possible and training them to become adventurers. I don’t think that would be the goofiest but it would be up there.

>>97934691
>there's no magical mechanism that causes socialism to create autocracy
Of course there is. The magical mechanism is trying for it when humanity as a species won’t allow for it. Humans are selfish conditional pieces of shit.

The tragedy of socialism/communism is that it’s lovely on paper. Not in practice. Because humans are a garbage race.

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>>97934415
not worth posting here
not worth playing

>>97932340
>>97932375
I suppose Middle Earth would be okay to live in, up until roughly when Numenor fell. The tar had been beaten out of the world, but there was still a sense that things were getting better. Amazing things were being made, great civilizations were thriving, and you could tell yourself that a new golden age was right around the corner. Maybe even something better.

(The Rings of Power were equal to anything from the First Age, after all).

The immediate aftermath of Numenor's fall probably wouldn't be bad, either. There's still a strong sentiment of "we can fix this!" and it wouldn't be crazy to think that.

But from the War of the Last Alliance on? The king was gone, the elves were packing up in disgust, and neither the will nor the skill to do big things survived. What broke stayed broken, and everyone seemed to be in mourning for what was lost.

(I remember being shocked when the dwarves buried Thorin with Orcrist. THAT was the best use they could up with for a legendary First Age artifact?!?!)

That's part of the reason I think the Istari screwed up. Saruman sought all the lost lore of the previous eras, but hoarded it for himself. Gandalf would go out and inspire people to do big quests against Evil, but never attempted to rekindle the ambitions of Good. And Radagast . . .well, he kind of went hippie hermit. In that sense, I think all three failed.

Back to the original point - living in Middle Earth from the War of the Last Alliance onward would be a pretty miserable experience, watching as the lights go out, one by one. Knowing that no one was ever going to light them again.

Before then, though? You could sell me on the idea, particularly if the dark age could be averted. Maybe even later, if I've got the backing to try and rekindle the flame.

>>97934764
you're doing it wrong, you made it about blacks and trannies instead of giving it to everyone equally

>>97934767
>you're still talking about communism here
Nope. You can force diversity and inclusion and “fairness” regardless if you call yourself a socialist or not. Communism is just an extreme.

>>97934767
>free healthcare is socialism
Free healthcare is technically a form of public service funded by taxation, not socialism.

“If it’s for the people, it’s socialism”

lol

>>97934804
Checks out.

>>97934802
>i live in it and it works fine
Then you’re coping. Liberals made America less efficient. Thanks a bunch, guy. Liberals also made people more stupid by dumbing down semantics to make people feel better. Sex is the same as gender. Sorry.
>it's not even strictly about fairness, it's that having a basic minimum for everyone enriches everyone regardless of their wealth
Your idea of fairness is clearly warped, if you don’t think that’s a form of fairness.

>>97934804
Socialists will call everything a form of socialism lmao

>>97934813
i'm not american and all the problems you're listing have very little to do with socialism vs capitalism and are just culture war bullshit

>Your idea of fairness is clearly warped, if you don’t think that’s a form of fairness.
it is a form of fairness, but it's also a form of self-interest

Citizens paying taxes for a universal service? Clearly this is socialism.

>>97934822
unironically yes

>>97934820
All humans have self interest and would do awful things if they could get away with it.

>>97934829
depending on how much weight you're putting on the second half of that sentence, this partly halfway like a random irrelevant statement and partly like a psychopath's cope and projection that everyone is just like them

>>97934836
You really think if given ultimate power a human wouldn’t eventually abuse it? Give anyone the ability to control minds and they would become a monster very fast.

>Allows for private property but has communal management of essential services
>Allows for private property but
>but
Nope. My stuff. My company. My factory. Mine.

>>97933153
Incest palace
Incestous eternity

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So . . . how many people are actually involved in the China/communism discussion that monopolized, then killed this thread?

(And how do we get them over to /hist or /pol?)

>>97934864
>not at all, there are plenty of people out there who don't see other people as anything other than potential marks and slaves
In a global and connected society there is more to risk by not being nice, than nice.

What you’re referring to is the phenomena of humans being assholes when nobody is around to punish them for it. This is why religion exists, in part. That fear of judgment.

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>>97934864
>there's a big difference between "eventually abuse it" and "do awful things if they could get away with it"
Not really? Eventually you will realize you can get away with anything, leading you to some rather harrowing incentives.

>>97934882
if you're a psychopath, sure

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>>97934880

>no you can’t be ambitious and lead your own projects
Socialism is fucked ngl

>>97934886
You place too much faith on the human mind.

>>97934896
you can be, just don't do it at the expense of others
>this horrifies the anarcho capitalist

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>>97934814
>This form of socialism can likely never work in the USA. It requires high citizen trust in the government and cultural cohesion among the citizens. People need to feel an "ownership" of the project. Without those factors you just end up with too many people trying to take advantage of the system
Not to get sucked into this conversation, but that's hardly an American-exclusive issue. The Free-Rider Problem was literally defined by looking at the multitudes of people scamming free rides on European mass transit.

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Thank you for uploading a higher quality version, anon. I hadn't realized I'd saved a PNG here >>97934394.

>>97934904
>just don't do it at the expense of others
This is unavoidable. All things come at a cost. You are naive. You should want to mitigate the expenses, not get rid of them altogether. In a world of materialism, the harsh truth is that sacrifice happens all the time, even without your notice.

>>97934903
you project your own mental weakness too much

unironically if you gave me godlike powers i would just do my own thing and only ever do large scale things if they would unequivocally improve life for everyone (except the people who are profitting off of misery and slavery and the like, but even in their cases i wouldn't be vindictive)

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>>97934918
>All things come at a cost.
yes, and you should pay those costs yourself if you want to do something, don't try to force or manipulate things so others are paying the cost for you

this isn't complicated

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Who gets the flute?

>>97934915
I didn't even know it was already posted in the thread lol

>>97934902
Marx was rejected as well as accepted. He was accepted too hard in China. Marx would also hate the current state of China. Marx would not approve of socialism in its modern day forms.

>>97934937
i always liked how 99% of the people arguing over this didn't understand the point that the three options represent actual cultural norms that exist out there in the world

>>97934928
Infrastructure comes at the expense of the masses. Sorry. For cars to be a thing you have to let people die in car accidents. This extends to guns and indeed everything else.

>>97934953
if you can argue in good faith that a project will partly benefit others then obviously the costs can also be paid partly by others and things are still fair as long as they are proportional

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>>97932728
I've done a small handful like that, but I'm no artist.

>>97931658
Villain! Being a villain doesn't mean you're murdering people left and right. Super-villains, for example, are more about theatrics than anything. And I like the trope of conquering the kingdom / world / whatever (but not oppressing it or anything), and then defending it if someone else attacks because it's *yours*. Meanwhile, heroes are often just doing someone else's bidding, many times with minimal payout. At least if you conquer the world before starting to protect it, you get to live in a castle or something.

>>97934914
It is true that Europe in modern times have been facing problems with people who want to live in parallel societies and leech off of the state. Politicians across the EU have recently noticed that there is a statistic correlation between that problem and then each individual nation's refugee policy. ... But that is another discussion entirely.

>>97934937
>Case for Child B
In the case of a flute with no special situation surrounding it, the answer is Child B, taken literally there's no real case for Child A and Child C here.

But it's framed as if it's meant to be a parable for possessions in general? But you can write other parables where the answer would be Child A and Child C.

>Case for Child A
There's a house with people in it, and the house is surrounded by zombies, the zombies are about to break in. Child A is the best at solving the zombie problem by shooting them with the gun, but Child B owns the gun, and Child B loves zombies so she refuses to let anyone use her gun. Your options are to leave the gun to Child B, or forcefully transfer it to Child A. In this case, any sane person would disrespect Child B's right to her possession (the gun) and give it to Child A.

>Case for Child C
Child B has 1 dollar. A wizard appears, the wizard will murder all people who belong to a demographic group (You) care about (take your pick: people who share your political ideals, people who share your religion, your fellow trannies, your fellow whites, your fellow pajeets, whatever) unless he gets Child B's dollar. Your options are to leave the dollar to Child B, or forcefully transfer it to the wizard to benefit Child C (who represents here the group you care about). In this case, any sane person would disrespect Child B's right to her possession (1 dollar) and give it to the wizard to the benefit of Child C.

>>97934902
>Karls ideas were fully rejected by socialists even back when he was alive.
That’s why Marxism never took off eh? Idiot.

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>>97934947

I’m serious. If you don’t allow me to start my own business and pay for my own labour then you’re a fuckhead. That’s not how merit or ingenuity works. That’s not how advances happen. This is why China can’t innovate while their neighbours Japan and Korea can. This lack of freedom not only stifles creativity, it stifles the urge to be creative.