>Man, the Emperor was kind of a piece of shit>I’ll devote myself to demons, and spend 10000 years making the galaxy a worse place to live for everyone, including myself>Haha corpse worshippers don’t know the pleasure of worshipping a fat disgusting plague godChaos Marines are such a joke.???
>>97933889Isn't he currently having his shit pushed in by Iron Pete and his boys?
>>97933889I have some bad news for you. WH40K was a joke setting, is a joke setting, will always be a joke setting.
>>97933889>space dad is kind of a dick>some really cool dudes offer helpful whispers and such>some time later, find out that these dudes are not so cool after all>in too deep to back out so you double down instead
>>97934079Except GW stopped treating it like a joke probably around the time 3rd edition came out and the setting has become the sort thing you laugh at rather than with and it's been that way for a long-ass time.
>GW stopped treating it like a joke probably around the time 3rd edition came out no lol, the humor just became too subtle for Americans
>>97933889>Word Bearers"the chaos gods are the only TRVE gods and therefore worth serving even if they stink and fart and poop on our faces">World EatersREEEEEEEEEEE>Emperor's Children"actually slaanesh has a pretty good health plan, it's how I can afford to inject cocaine directly into the three alien dicks I had grafted to my body so I can get jerked off 4 times at my hypermasturbator while drinking the blood of virgins (female) for teh lulz, you should be more accepting of other people's lifestyles">Thousand Sons"You just don't get it.... we had to.... leman russ left us literally no choice but to sell our souls to megasatan.... it's not like magnus didn't deliberately kill the voxcomms and doom us all to being undead dust ghosts or fucked up bird guys..... we had no choice....">Death Guard"You see.... I got nothing, this all just went wrong and kept getting more wrong">Iron Warriors"hurr durr we don't worship chaos we just made all these nice nifty pacts with Vash'torr but trust us they're in our favour not his">Blacked Legun"Heh they don't even KNOW I'm just using them, but they think they're using me and I'm using that to use it against them while they use me hehehehe">Night Lords"SKINNING FACES ROCKS- what's a chaos?">Alpha Legun"pee pee poo poo maybe I'm chaos or maybe it's you!" (but you can't actually spy on chaos corruption as a double agent it just turns ouy into a freak so isn't this plotline kind of stupid?other warbands>Red Corsairs"THE IMPERIUM ARE THE REAL BAD GUYS, I'M NOT PAYING MY FUCKING TAXES, BADAB WAS A GENOCIDE!"
He's been in the Warp where time is different, to him it's only been a few months
>>97934141Not quoting my post properly won't make this statement not ridiculous copium on your part. Funny 40k died when 2nd Edition did, Serious Business 40k was born when 3rd Edition was. The only Funny 40k left is in the fanon content, now.
>>97933931He is currently gathering super weapons alongside Vashtorr inside the Webway.
>if I can't run the world I'll destroy itTypical revolutionary mindset, even without daemons.
boy I sure do love my Black Templars using the Holy Orb of Antioch in my super cereal Third Edition Warhammer 40,000
>>97934208They kept publishing The Regimental Standard until about a year ago.
>>97933889>Man, the the US and the british were kind of pieces of shit>I’ll devote myself to theocracy, and spend 10000 years making the middle east a worse place to live for everyone, including myself>Haha infidels don’t know the pleasure of worshipping a fake retarded psycho god???
>>97933889what exactly is the end game of some chaos space marines legions?i get that the thousand sons (or at least ahriman) are on a quest to get bodies back for his legion, word bearers want to convert the galaxy into embracing chaos, and NO ONE KNOWS what alpha legion really wantbut what the hell does everyone else want besides being an eternal thorn on the side of the emperor
>>97933889>Chaos Marines are such a joke.>???You were meant to pick one of these for your bait. Conveying either a sense of smug superiority or confusion begging for clarification. What does having both convey? Are you confused about your own smugness?
>>97934536realistically most of them just want their own little kingdoms and/or earn the favor of gods. it's same for most imperial factions as well.
>>97934536pretty much to spread their gods influence and by extension get more power, doesn't really matter if they will inevitably get fucked later on since they gave up reasoning long ago
>>97933889Is it hard to believe that they’re not in their right mind? That maybe chaos has driven them mad? I don’t get why people try to point out logical fallacies in the thinking of traitor primarchs or chaos marines, they’re crazy, that’s the point.
>>97934185>"THE IMPERIUM ARE THE REAL BAD GUYS, I'M NOT PAYING MY FUCKING TAXES, BADAB WAS A GENOCIDE!"
>>97934511But enough about the Republicans!
>>97934107It's still a joke. The subtext just goes over your head.
>>97933889Abby kills slopmaris marines
>>97934536Same as any office drone: suck up to the boss enough that someone will suck up to you. Rinse and repeat. That's why so many turn into chaos spawn.
>>97935139It's not that deep lol
>>97934185>I'M NOT PAYING MY FUCKING TAXES
>>97933889>I don’t understand the achetypes of heroes and villainsI’ll spell it out. Heroes are hurt by something, and want nobody to get hurt the way they were. Villains are hurt by something and want to make everyone get hurt the same way they were. Superman and Zod, Beatrix and Bill, Professor X and Magneto, etc etc etc.
>>97934873What is BADAB?
>>97934382That's side material though, meant to poke fun at the stuff in the setting itself. The setting itself takes said self very seriously.
>>97934243>>One reference means something compared to the overall tone of third edition.Yeah no, this is really reaching.
>>97935359>Heroes are hurt by something, and want nobody to get hurt the way they were. Villains are hurt by something and want to make everyone get hurt the same way they were.Pathetic.
>>97935139You assume far too much cleverness on the part of the people writing for present day GW.
>>97935139The joke is they make money while you argue about how the lore they shamelessly plagiarized from working class sci-fi writers is a le deep satire of capitalism
>>97933889All the lore is just an advert to make you buy expensive toys. Chill out dude, don't get to caught up in a made up stories, yeah?
>>97936701>why care about anything when you can just be a passive drone and accept whatever corporate sends you?
>>97933889>Man, those nerds on /tg/ are kind of pieces of shit >I'll devot3 myself to shitposting, memes and spend 10000 hours making the board a worse place for everyone including myself >haha chuds don't know the pleasures of shitpostmaxing Whatever you are is such a joke. ???Can't even do the format for profit right.
>>97933889I think you have a fundamental misconception of the set of decisions that leads a Chaos Marine to become what they are. A Space Marine knows, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that they are greater than a man. It is a fundamental aspect of their being. However, their list of possible aspirations is very short:>1) Serve Emprah and die>2) Get promoted then die>3) Combination of 1&2The type and caliber of person that has what it takes to be a Space Marine would have been a king in any other life, even without their augmentations. On some basic subconscious level they all know this, which is why pride is one of the most dangerous aspects of their personality. The Chaos Space Marine, regardless of whether they're an original 30k traitor or a 40k renegade, knows with every fiber of their being that they are great and terrible men of power. They also believe they should live like one. Ergo, the only rightful master they could have is a god. Not a corpse, not an antitheist-turned-idol, but a true god. Likewise they should be served by the masses of the weak that only exist because the mighty haven't extinguished their pitiful lives yet. This is, ironically, not that far from how normal Space Marines think anyway.
>>97934079>WH40K was a joke setting, is a joke setting, will always be a joke setting.Joke settings don't live long, nor can you expand on them long-term without becoming serious. 40k as a whole can not be a joke and hasn't been for a long time. Jokes can exist inside of it, like a good chunk of Gorkamorka, but they mesh into the greater whole. It's a joke to you, but there's nothing funny about Angelus in-fiction.I feel like I talk about Starship Troopers and Helldivers too much on this board but they're the closest example and parallel I can appeal to: The satire absolutely can not survive any process of expansion or rationalization. This is why the sequels to the Starship Troopers movies were shit. If you say to yourself: "Okay, the Imperium/United Citizen Federation/Federation of Super Earth is authoritarian" then ask a follow up question "Why do people willingly serve it?" then you have already ended the joke.As an example: What is the joke behind the Tau? The closest thing to a gag in the scheme of their existence is that they have been consistently naive. Outside of that they are a rather seriously structured combination of Western and Eastern cultures that does its best to function in a galaxy it struggles to comprehend. Their hardline dedication to scientific and pragmatic principles leaves them woefully unequipped to understand basic metaphysical truths about daemons, the warp, psykers, and even faith. You could call that social commentary, but it's hardly satirical.
>>97935406That guy in charge of the Red Corsairs, Huron? He used to be the chapter master of the Astral Claws, and in charge of protecting the Badab sector from the Maelstrom. Some stuff happened, Huron held onto his tithe and used it to expand his chapter beyond the proper limit, someone dropped the Fire Hawks chapter into the powderkeg, and suddenly we have like 18 chapters + inquisition at war. Huron lost, a bunch of loyalists died, and Huron became a pirate. Good times.
>>97938121This Anon captures it pretty well. Space Marines have no prospect in their entire life beyond fighting and dying for people that are, in their eyes and according to their own indoctrination, inherently inferior.
>>97938121The Emperor is 100% justified in viewing the Space Muhreens as tools, and would have shitcanned them as soon as they outlived their usefulness. As he did with the Thunder Warriors.
>>97938929I'm not so certain that's true. He liked to careen between viewing them as tools and indulging in the romanticism that they are his grandsons. It's something he appeared to struggle with to the point that he wasn't quite sure how he viewed them. He didn't just allow the 3rd and 16th Legions to be renamed Emperor's Children and Sons of Horus respectively, he did it himself.I believe the flaws in geneseed were very intentional parts of their design. The Emperor made Space Marines flawed to make them more "human" and capable of coming to the understanding that they are not perfect. The Thunder Warriors, by comparison, had a built in obsolescence mechanism. The Pinocchio comparison he made is apt: They're made as puppets, but he hoped the Space Marine could become a real boy. Unfortunately for him many chose to continue being puppets by attaching their strings to the Chaos gods.
>>97938929>>97939024they would've probably been replaced by something better. spess were pretty much just made with the resources of terra itself. with the resources of a stabilized imperium he would've climbed back up in the tech tree towards daot type technology.
>>97934079>>97934107Both of you are wrong. It was never a joke setting, GW never suddenly "switched up" to start making it serious. It was always fucking serious from the first page of Rogue Trader. Yes, RT had jokes in it, but they were just bits of levity sprinkled here and there. The entire universe as a whole was unironically meant to be taken straight up. The point was to be Rule of Cool, not to be satire. Saying all of 40k was satire because it had a few jokes here and there is like saying eating a cut of steak with some salt sprinkled over the top is eating a solid block of salt. You people are full of shit and have never even read Rogue Trader let alone all of its supplement material. It was not a satire at any point - it was a heavy metal space opera that just happened to have a sense of humor sometimes.>but but obi-wan sherlock clouseauIs not an actual character that appeared in the lore in any narrative, it was just a name gag in the rules portion of the book.
>>97939134Maybe. As much as I hate Primaris Marines their lore is actually pretty decent. Cawl looked at how gene-seed work, noticed there was room for improvement of its function in an objective sense, and then implemented changes. I very much doubt Cawl is any better a geneticist than the Emperor is, but it would make a lot of sense if the Emperor intentionally dialed back from the potential of gene-seed. The potential remained for 10,000 years and the only people that bothered to pick up on it were Belisarius and potentially Fabius Bile.
>>97933889>KICK THAT CHAOS NIGGER OFF MACRAGGE
>>97939153...but rule of cool IS funny
>>97933931No, he's busy crying to his new daddy Vashtorr while his cronies have their shit pushed in by Iron Pete
>>97934185>"THE IMPERIUM ARE THE REAL BAD GUYS, I'M NOT PAYING MY FUCKING TAXES, BADAB WAS A GENOCIDE!"You're damned right it was. And the crash out was entirely justified
