Previous: >>97929302Where's My Cloud Advent Children Commander WOTC?! Edition>Most recent banlist updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.comhttps://www.pdhrec.com>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdMTQ: Have (You) unironically played a game where everyone's using UB commanders including yourself and the pod is low powered enough to see the commanders duking it out with each other and even casting their signature spells/equipment? How was the Smash Bros experience?
>>97934708>TQDid the anti-ub general die already?
>>97934717almost a day in and they only have 32 replies, you tell me
>>97934706Right? I'm looking to grab a bunch of low cost Knights today from my LGS and then go back to Commander Night starting next week if the weather is good. I was goldfishing it and kept finding I rarely had anything to do the first 2 turns of the game.Shakes out like this>turn 15 cards I could play that are nonland >Turn 219 (14 + 5 from previous) cards I could play that are nonland>Turn 342 (23 + 19 from previous) cards I could play that are nonlandSo only sometimes do I have anything to do that early and it felt wrong. Foulmire Knight, Smitten Swordmaster, and Order of Midnight are all cheap knights, useable, and come with the sick eldraine border if my store has it.>TQNope, only ever seen like 2 UB commanders in the same game at the same time as far as I can remember at least.>>97934718>u-ur rattledBitch, are you for real? lmaoI've been on this cesspool website since 2006, you're gonna have to do way better than "I bet your parents are ashamed of you" to get through the caked on layer of unwashed shit, grease, fat, and rapidly degrading mental illness that encases me>>97934726The thread can have interesting discussion, but there's a weight you put on everything when you start a thread and the entire premise is "PRETEND THIS THING DOESN'T EXIST" because it's bringing the thing to the forefront of all thoughts whenever discussing anything therein. It's really just /mtgg/ but with piss-in-pant baked in
>>97934760>the caked on layer of unwashed shit, grease, fat, and rapidly degrading mental illness that encases meretard shit like this makes me smile
>he didn't personally ask every person in the pod what is "bracket 2" to them before sitting down for his bracket 2 game
Sex'Kuar
>>97934708>smash bros experienceIt was pretty fun, Tifa, Martial Artist had been Tifa Limit Break'd and stomped in the brain of Frodo, Toph, and that 4 turtle ninja turtle card.
>>97934708>TQI had the opposite happen once.>everyone agrees to b3>apparently b3 to them means "I put a GC in a precon">it's all UB decks (Cloud, TMNT, and Dr Who)>decide to go full fuck it >whip out Zhulodok deck>tell pod that while it's b3, it's a "real" b3>"sure bro whatever">mfw Ulamog comes in with Annihilator 9 from an exiled blasphemous act thanks to the TMNT deck>mfw roaming throne>mfw echoes of eternity>mfw annihilator 36 You cannot possibly imagine the asshurt that night.
>>97934825>"I put a GC in a precon"That is what bracket 3 is, yes.
>>97934788>FoW shouldn't be a GC, so I'm using it in my bracket 2>Seedborn Muse shouldn't be either so its in my bracket 2.>Vivi isn't a GC
>>97934843>Niv's disk? What the fuck! This isn't bracket 4!>Did you just cast Koma off the top of your deck on turn 7?! WHAT IS THIS CEDH SHIT
>>97934833B3 is actually building a functioning deck with a 3 GC limit. Precons are anything but functioning.
>>97934843>>97934850thanks sheldon
>>97934851Cool so what is the bracket for me using the cyclonic rift in my precon then?>it doesn't existThen the system doesn't work which is why few use it.
>>97934825never happened but ok bud
>>97934858>99 centsWhy is Sheldor so cheap?
>>97934859>i want to use cyclonic rift in my izzet lessons>what do you mean it's not standard legal?!
It's another >poopdick spams an early bake with a shit tq because he's eternally butthurt by not being in charge of /edh/episode
>>97934869UB > UW btw
>>97934708>Early thread>Obvious bait TQZzz
https://moxfield.com/decks/Mune7O1KXk-tiTkzuDlK1wSome folks say this is bracket 4, some say bracket 3. What do you think?
>>97934708Gay prostitute Cloud Strife in the OPI wonder if we'll see his prostitute party members Tifa and Aerithsth as well
>>97934869>>97934895>old thread is bump limit and page 6>but muh early threadimagine being more of a faggot than swordbro
>>97934911Your laughing whores reaction image doesn't magically make the claims against you wrong.
>>97934788To me, Bracket 2 is all about underoptimized "I like X" decks. I like Madness, so I put in all the Madness cards I could in here. I like Ariatocrats, so I put in a bunch of neat enter die creatures. I like spellslinging, so I have a bunch of bolts and prowess and flashbacks. Bracket 2 is also where all precons go.Bracket 1 is "I just made some bullshit from draft chaff and dime cards from my LGS' slop pile"
>>97934917the claim is that you've already decided i'm wrong, in which case boohoo sorry i guess? haha
>>97934911That's what you, yes.
>>97934934uh oh melty
>>97934911/edh/ regularly can hit 600 posts before we actually need a new bake. Anything before 400/100 images is spam. You're just a butthurt faggot that is spamming the board with a general nobody asked for and intentionally shitting up an established general because you're a power hungry dork who hates anons talking about shit you don't like. If this board had any actual clean up crews you'd have been perma'd long ago.
>>97934936holy ESL
>>97934938>>97934942Holy based
>>97934940>/edh/ regularly can hit 600 posts before we actually need a new bake.and yet the general has been sent to archive w/o a bake many times now
>>97934932.>>97934788>To me,It doesn't matter what it is to (You). Its spelled out so plainly normies can understand it. Are (You) dumber than a normie?
>>97934962Bitches be pulling out infinite combos and callin that shit bracket 3 fuck you
>>97934938>>97934942>my quippy remark has been adopted and is now thread cultureyour flattery sustains me
>>97934960Yeah some threads archive when they're 600+ and inactive in the middle of North American night hours. You spammed a new thread at 350 with active discussion at 2pm North America hours. Just like the one before it. And the one before that. And you'll try to do so again when we hit 300 this thread too.
>>97934975B3 doesn't forbid combo wins
>>97934976We should add it to the OP in the thread culture section
>>97934977>bump limit means nothing stoooooop/mtg/ does it so i do it too, cry more
>>97934932To me bracket 2 is precons and there is no point to playing a custom deck there
>>97934962>everyone agrees on bracketsYou know this isn't true.
Thread Culture>Gay Bolashttps://e621.net/posts?tags=nicol_bolas>Did anon's story happen?https://files.catbox.moe/ika7gh.gifhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4SEDzynMiQ&t=44s [Open] [Open]https://files.catbox.moe/t0zq17.jpg>Why is mono green so boring?https://files.catbox.moe/2x8qly.jpg>Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)>uh oh melty
>>97935025>he will ritualpost this from now onsee that wasn't so hard now was it
>>97935013>bracket 2 is preconsThis isn't what b2 is though.
>>97935034Just a reminder for the next (proper) baker :)
>>97935037Which goes back to "No one can agree on what brackets are."You will deny this despite the constant appearance of these arguments day in and out.
>>97934760>I'm looking to grab a bunch of low cost Knights todayOff the top of my head you might want Ebon Legion and White Orchid.
>>97935013gavin had long disavowed the b2=precons thing, probably because they were selling precons stronger than the avg b2
>>97935051Too bad. You don't willy nilly change format rules like that. Maybe they shouldn't let this amateur do a job that used to be done by an entire group?
>>97935059>You don't willy nilly change format rules like thatExcept the rules can change whenever the governing body decides so. Weird retarded take.
>>97935059>Maybe they shouldn't let this amateur do a job that used to be done by an entire group?ok let's not gas up the old RC they were arguably even shittier at their job
Is Titania's Song bracket 2? It's mass artifact denial
>>97935013Sure there is. You can easily build any deck at the power level of the average precon. Have fun with some creativity with jank.
>>97935113wasting money sure is fun
I think I'm gonna build it regardless of the terrible art.
>>97935117Your own fault if you spend more for your bracket 2 than for a precon. Can you seriously not build a synergistic deck for 60 dollars or less?What kind of bad deckbuilder couldn't.
>>97935051Gavin also says non-basic land tutors are also fine in bracket 2 when tutors are the single most problematic card type in low power games because Gavin is at heart an angle shooting faggot like a lot of the problem players are. And that was a walk back, so what b2 is can change at any time depending on how the wotc staff want to pubstomp in their player groups that month.Fact is we all know what the spirit and intent of bracket 2 was supposed to be but it's a worthless metric because faggots both on staff at wotc and at the lgs will argue the semantics of it in order to give themselves an upperhand on tables against people who understand and abide what the deck power levels should be. So it's pointless to argue what is and isn't bracket 2 outside of gamechangers and to just find player groups of like minded people and avoid playing with b2 randoms as much as possible.
>>97935148We can not hinder landfall players, at any level, they are the protected class.
>>97935138>every card should be 30 cents or lessThis is the type of mental illness I'll never understand. You don't play decks like this, no one does.
>>97935148>Fact is we all know what the spirit and intent of bracket 2 was supposed to beApparently not, considering no one can agree on it. Brackets were a really dumb idea at their core.
>>97935163>30 cents or lessNo one said that. Incredible that precons, when bought as single cards cost less than their market value. Yet, they work just as fine as you clearly want them to.You can't make a deck off the top of your head that costs as much and works the same?That's a (you) problem.
They had Strixhaven product at Walmart today so you know I had to grab a preconYa boy is back
>>97935156Run GY hate
>>97935166no one agrees with it because when you get technical with definitions many people's decks get stomped, hence all the hand wringing
>>97935170Are you... are you retarded? Almost every precon is more valuable piecemeal than the actual product was on shelves. We literally get Prof doing videos every single time there's a precon about their value:cost ratio and how much more they're worth with individual cards. You're just saying shit without thinking or knowing.
>>97935196If a definition is too open-ended to actually mean anything, it's a bad definition. Bracket 2-4 are extremely open-ended and you can build decks of very varied power levels within each. There can't be anything extremely specific because there's 30,000+ cards in this game and a billion interactions.
>>97935182huh, was that a mistake? they mean to be able to put it out tomorrow, right?
*sharts out isochron scepter again*
>>97935206yeah I guess they broke street date but they had pretty much everything other than the codex bundleRegular bundles collector boosters play boosters and a full set of precons
>>97935201>Bracket 2-4 are extremely open-endednot at allfor example a bracket 2 lgs tournament can simply be reduced to:>no infinites locks or i wins before your turn 9>no GCs>no mld that passes gavin's definitionand your concerns of varied power level is the same thing with every 60 card format, nobody is sad that their against the odds standard deck can't hack it at the RPTQ so why would your homebrew edh deck hack it at a commander party? brackets/formats are in practice the same
>>97935206Why wouldn't they sell it now? LGS' start selling them at pre-release.
Post decks
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
Gay Bolas
Big melty happening on twitter right now.
>>97935215>decks to be mechanically focused with some cards chosen to maximize creativity or entertainmentThis is extremely open-ended and the disparity between a focused simic landfall deck with a few splashy cool cards and just about any modern precon can't be understated>incremental, telegraphed, and disruptablebarely means anything considering the breadth of value engines from good to dogshit >low pressure, proactive, and consideratewhat constitutes low pressure? what makes it considerate? what if i have repeatable removal, is an Ethersworn Adjudicator (a shit card btw) too high pressure because I can repeatedly remove your stuff? I'm not letting you showcase your plan by destroying your stuff, right? How much of your value engine do I have to allow to be on board before it becomes ME who isn't playing properly anymore?>8 turnsReasonable>no GCReasonable>no MLDReasonable>no Chaining extra turnsReasonable>no 2-card CombosReasonableThe problem with all of this is you can easily have a b2 game where not one deck "feels" like B2 because it's entirely subjective outside of very few hard rules, so the power levels will never match. For example, Sidar Jabari Knights, Edgar Markov Vampires, Koma Landfall, and Esper Urza Midrange are all able to be B2. None of them should be in games against each other.
>>97935222Rate my tastes:NekusarInallaAnjeYidrisMorskaAuntie OolDogmeat>BuildingMr. HouseNu Silverquill
idk what i should change in this deckit wins sometimes in b3, sometimes i have no engine. idk if i should swap out a bunch of shit for dredge or just get stax creatures and drop the voltron. i know zenos is meme but i like himhttps://moxfield.com/decks/aQioXoAjvE2HHK-AgYEoLg
>>97935276
>>97935291you are focusing too much on "expectations" (because we all know our expectations of life are broken every time), the power level that you get when you are limited to only comboing off on turn 9 leads to these B2 expectations; they are the effect not rules you follow>how new are you to realize that B2 decks are hella telegraphed for example
>>97935304>vtuber selling edh staples because playing them is boring and she'd rather try and make jank work>some retard in the comments: "You should go play a board game instead the whole point of EDH is to win, not have fun. Stop enjoying le randumb"
>>97935222Top row I have made, bottom row is WIP
>>97935327they're correct you knowrandoms can't read your mind on what you think is fun and they're not going to kowtow to your demands
>>97935357I'm not the guy you replied to I'm just clarifying what he didn'tFor the record I enjoy jank tribal shit I don't have a single deck over $200
>>97935222Will most likely dismantle hearthhull and AzulaIn plans I have:Sephara for mono WSomething for mono red, trying to avoid spellslinger/storm which desu is not that easy for meOne of the new dragons, only missing lorehold and silverquill so have choice theretune up Rootha after this saturdayZhulodok after I buy the precon (getting it by singles with international shipping makes the price effectively the same as precon with sample pack)
>>97935367okay, poor person
>>97935370what's the Chulane deck like? i've wanted to make a deck around the saga summon creatures
>>97935222These are all fully built. Auntie Ool is an unedited precon.
>>979352974/7
>>97935411Well explain. is it 4/7 good tastes or 4/7 bad tastes?
>>97935402it's nice, then again while major theme is summons i do have a safety valve in form of starfield shephard and shrieking drake to not brick the hand completely but unless the pod just lets it hard cast omniscience well it's kinda on them. Lowkey also build in mind to go against my own Yshtola with plenty of etb lifegain creatures (but no Aetherflux so it's not "comboslop" as my regulars would put it). Summoner's Grimoire is pretty thematic and lets me get away with cheating bahamut into combat. Also running plenty of repeatable blinkers/bouncers for when the last saga is on the stack to recast then. Still need to get showcase version of Jill for it
>>97935437mid taste, rounded up
>>97935446cheating bahamut sounds funyou got a list i could look at?
>Farewell v2, but not a GC
>>97935498cmon now
>>97935498>>97935501>destroy is even remotely comparable to exileroru rumao
>>97935222
Ahhhh hurry up and release already Strixhaven. I wanna see cards from the next set!!!
>>97935501v3>>97935508gotta do what you gotta do>>97935498v4
Gotta update this I have closer to 24 decks now>>97935222Gisela, Ashling, Karametra are all based I've thought about building>>97935297Anje is neat if a bit one-note. There's been some high power tables forming at my store I might build her for that>>97935370Fellow Chainer enjoyer. I think you play higher power level than me based on your decks but I'd play with you>>97935403Somehow you picked all pretty cool precon commanders. If I hadn't built Mardu knights years ago I would have jumped into Sidar Jabari, he seems sweet.
>>97935468https://archidekt.com/decks/21974553/chulane_summoner fresh up to date, there used to be ulamog from bfz but i took it out after i got knights of the round could likely get a lot of work done in to improve but at the local meta where ping decks come and go it's ok enough
>ban most of the banlist>bring back the commander tuck rule>bring back the old legendary rule>ban UB by defaultThere. I fixed the format.
>>97935222I've taken like a year long hiatus from deck building because I just didn't have the budget for it anymore and none of the sets interested me enoughTMNT and Strixhaven brought me back though and I finally managed to find a Final Fantasy Cloud precon but I haven't worked on that one yet, going to redo my Quintorius deck first now that I have my precon
>>97935522originally i planned to have chainer as placeholder for Ardyn but then I got slapped with reality on how 8, even 5 mana, can be brutal in ever increasing speed so i might rework it for Junji with death cheating effects or the new Moseo lifegain strat to reanimate
>>97935522based cockslinger
>>97935522Thanks! What Mardu Knights commander do you run? I wanted to build Celes but I already have Knights and +1/+1 counters in separate piles. How's Hazezon? I'm turbo jealous if you've got a real copy. I love OG Legends. Heading to my LGS to pick up my first order in months right now, then I'll be trying to fit some new Knights into Sidar. >they didn't have Mercenary KnightTruly the darkest of days
>>97935558why the fuck would you play a card this shit retard
>>97935539Never had an issue desu, mono black is nasty with Cabal Coffers and multiple swamp doublers. Moseo seems really fun tho>>97935546My manContested War Zone is crazy work
>>97935522>24 decks>hipster ones>in one concise picture>descriptions on what they doYou're a good poster.
>>97935565yeah if only i didnt sell my coffers 6 or so years ago after i took a break from magic because the playgroup imploded from doomsday pilling and others moving onalso i really hate searching for decent hand after the mulligan change from partial paris (which is on me) and outside of spamming aoe edicts it can struggle a fair bit to get to the point while i have a gitrog charging at me, picking up half his deck and dispensing all the lands turn 6 or earlier because artifact ramp
>>97935303i showed you my deckplease respond
>>97935222Weapons Manufacturing is the best card printed in the past year
>>97935558I run Marchesa Knights. Gives me "Queen and Her Knights" flavor while also giving me card flow, a reason to run small evasive knights, and a source of 1/1 tokens for artistocrat strategy. Plus everybody loves monarch. Haakon is of course the secret sauce, I either win through aristocrat stuff + attacking, or Haakon combo.I considered Celes, she checks a lot of combo boxes for Haakon combo, but Marchesa is my girl and more of an all-arounder to have fun at any table.>HazezonMy first commander, gifted by my buddy back when it was like $10 and we were just getting into the format. He's a lot of fun, you can build him a lot of different ways. Right now I'm focused on board wipes followed by big token bursts. Good when the night is going long and I don't want a complicated boardstate. (for my opponent anyway)Legends is a great setMercenary Knight is great taste. >>97935564O ye of little taste
>>97935581I feel like the way mulligans are handled now is perfect desu
I wanna run a bunch of bolt like spells whos the best in mono red to stop me running out of gas? Clive?
>>97935687I don't know about best, but he would work. Two sided Urabrask will also do it,
>>97935498Turns out that being modal, exiling, and requiring one less colored pip makes a huge difference.A lot of what makes a card a GC isn't how unique what they do is. A lot of it is being effectively the best at what they do.
>>97935222Unesh, Criosphinx Sovereign : Sphinx's and shenanigans. Arcanis the Omnipotent : Untap to win, runs the blue GC'sAzami, Lady of Scrolls : Every 1-3 cost Wizard that's worth playing and illusionist's bracers + Aphetto AlchemistKefnet the Mindful : Draw Go Control with voltronOketra the True : Make tokens, do 12 damage with a loxodon warhammerAtemsis All Seeing : Draw Go Control, only win con is Atemsis.
>>97935222How's old Karona treating you these days? Haven't seen one in the wild in years>>97935348Inferno and OG Lorehold are swag decks. Fond of Kosei and Phylath too. But I really hate Yarok's ass>>97935370Somebody enjoys his long combos. Curious what you're doing with Tekuthal?>>97935403Nothing to really say here, I thought Sidar was novel but I like Raffine more for knights.>>97935512My fellow birdman>>97935522I'm way too much of a coward to ever try something like Noyan Dar I commend your bravery >>97935531Ghired is one of my favorite decks I've never got around to building for real>>97935604This looks super fucking fun to pilot>>97935627Sunforger is so fun, but most of this list does nothing for me.
>>97935725he draws cards? I thought he just gives you a R for every instant you cast
>>97935303how do people spend 800 dollars on cardboard
>>97935768Tell me about your Jenara, I was cooking up a list last week
>>97935608>little taste It's shit. What's there to consider taste?
>>97935758What makes Raffine better for Knights, or is it just conniving in the CZ?
>>97935760He doesn't; you're gonna have to run your cards another way, but his flip side is more mana and a very scary III that'll let you pick and choose from an entire table of, and it'll be cheaper to get there from here.Don't forget your commander is just 1 card out of 99. He doesn't have to do all the work; sometimes it's more efficient if he doesn't.
>>97935778Once again, I am reminded of the guy who was pissed off because he was spending 200 dollars a month on bootlegs that went tits up or something. 2,400 dollars a year on fake cardboard.
>>97935790Basically a disguised pillowfort/control deck that relies wins through these various combos.
>>97935778most of the deck i got out of a booster box or rewards from FNM or breaking down another precon or whatever. i had to buy a few but i didn't spend $800 on the deck
>>97935805Connive X sifts through the deck and loads the gy much faster than Sidar even with eminence. For my purposes of finding Haakon combos or setting up a mass reanimate it works better. Raffine also goes bananas with pic related and Knowledge is Power for beatdown kills.
Whenever anyone says the word "engine" in the context of magic deck building, I instantly know they're a low level commander only dork.
>>97935828Makes sense. I always figured Sidar was better due to also having reanimate on hit, but Raffine seems like she sets up a higher bracket playstyle.
>>97935833>colloquial shorthand triggers my autism and makes me assume shit because im retardedthanks for sharing
>>97935848It's not short hand, oh verbose faggot of low skill, it's philosophical. It's about the heuristics of their understanding of deck design, and whoever said it is going to say some dumbass magical christmasland shit that will be impervious to any improvement or critique, because their math is going to be based on the hypothetical combination, when the effort required to do something like that is always better spent elsewhere.It's groupthink brainworms, nothing more.
>>97935801>good P/T>3cmc>puts a creature into your graveyard in a deck that wants that>in-tribe>cool old card no one talks aboutGolly Bill, why would anyone like that!?
>>97935866engine is just "thing that makes my deck function"sac outlet, draw source, pump, whatever it isyou seem to have inferred a bunch of shit based off one word that people commonly use, which is irrational woman behaviormaybe find people who use buzzwords approved by you and provide you with the kind of gameplay you look for instead of writing gay ass dear diary posts that offer no interesting discussionfaggot
>>97935905That's nice. When you build your deck around "thing that makes your deck function", without it, your deck doesn't function. So therefore, if you're using it to describe making your deck functional, you do not understand how to make your deck functional, because if the interaction was sufficient to win the game it would no longer be an engine, but a combo, and if your deck functioned without it, you wouldnt need it. This understanding something unique to low level commander players, such as yourself.
>>97935222Does Blood Moon make it bracket 4?
>>97935916that's why you add cards with similar effects if it's important, or cards that go find the important cards, or offer another line for your deck to play onobviously if the entire deck REQUIRES one of the important cards to do anything at all that's a bad deck, that doesn't even need to be statedwhat the fuck kind of argument is this
>>97935918No. The community has decided gavin is wrong.
>>97935918Yes
>>97935918>Blood Moon>With in 3 color with triple color pip black cards like grave pact and necroWhat the fuck are you doing anon
>>97935805if the point is "I can't run haakon in the command zone," raffine digs for him better than jabari does. the reanimate is nice, but haakon lets you play knights from grave without potentially jumping through hoops (not that hitting people with jabari is much of a hoop usually).
>>97935222Some that I want to lay out
>>97935918>fourty landsbro, chill
>>97935916Hey I know this is /edhg/, but never go full retard.Truth is in the land of the brainless the one-neuron'd man is not king, he still needs to be able to form a fucking synapse.All decks that aren't a pile of random cards are designed with something that makes them go. The less autistic of us have no problems describing it as an engine, or core, or even a 'concept'.You think anyone puts a bunch of rocks in their deck and an Unwinding Clock by accident? How about an Ashnod's Altar and token generators? Pretending to not understand basic concepts doesn't demonstrate higher understanding, it is evidence of idiocy.
>>97935564Basically everything >>97935900 said>>97935758Raffine huh? Makes sense for big dig, maybe I'll swap her into the Command Zone sometime to try it. >>97935608Marchesa sounds fun, I've never fucked with Monarch much. >Hazezon was firstTurbo jellyOh here's all the stuff from my LGS, just grabbed stuff that was low cost Knights except Suppressor because that seems cancerous lolIgnore the Dark Confidant, it isnt for Sidar
>>97935950Then it's not an "engine" at all, but the gameplan that requires redundency, enablers, and modular combinations of cards with specific goals; traditional deck building. An "engine" is a crutch the deck is built around to shortcut enablers and fundamental deck design without actually winning the game on the assumption it will be allowed to exist in perpetuity, otherwise it does nothing. Usually based on context.Anyways, the reason for my 'tism is people have become pants on head retarded about this shit, discarding all fundamentals for a million tiny engines that generate value. Seems to be propped up heavily in the "community" as well. And it works, but only against low level competition that hasnt broken it down to you the way I just did; if your deck needs an "engine" to function, it doesnt function without it, so stopping the engine turns the deck off.
>>97935993Yes and no. Good fundamentals beat exactly what you're talking about every time. The engine as a source of momentum, as a concept, is flawed for magic because there are roles that need to be filled, and an engine implies continuity. Like unwinding clock; doesnt do shit if you dont have artifacts, and likewise doesnt do anything if the game ends on your turn, or you dont have anything to spend mana on. It creates a point of friction that becomes a weak point. Ashnods is different. Saccing creatures to accrue incremental value is bad, but using it as an enabler to end the game at once is good, and if the upside is sometimes bridging the gap then that's kickass. The gameplan is winning, not hoping to generate resources, and generating resources is the upside, but not the purpose.My issue is telling people what you just told me removes part of their brain through single categorization, and that retards their development while also creating conceptual roadblocks, particularly when all the feedback you get is what you told me because they dont play other formats.
>>97936043>>97936018the jordan peterson of /edhg/
>>97935866>engine is just "thing that makes my deck function"Engine just means cards with mechanics that reliably foster stability and tempo on repetition. Repetition is the keyword.Your deck can still function without an engine. There are plenty of ways to have tempo and stability without doing it on repetition, like relying on cards with stronger one-time effects. Ancestral Recall for instance is not an engine for instance because it is does the thing as a one time effect, but rhystic study is an engine because it does the thing repeatedly. The distinction matters because you're trying to evaluate card performance, engines perform better in games that go longer because the upfront cost to do the thing is propositional to the length of the game.What people mean when they talk about engines is whether you're choosing cards with immediate effects vs. long term effects.
>>97936011>BANDING SPOTTEDPUT IT IN
>>97936074i think your distinction is goodthe type of function an engine provides (long term repeatability or game-winning combo) changes a lot based on the gay ass bracket system we play in now. i'd argue thrasios is a cedh engine and he usually can win the game. black market connections is a good engine in lower power games that usually go longer
>>97936011the rattled >/b/ lore lmaoFaggot mass replying is sickening XD
>>97936074Neat, you said the exact comparison I wanted to make. Someone I know who spends a great deal of time playing magic says playing rhystic study or the fish is worth at least three ancestral recals. I think that's retarded. He is desperately trying to "git gud" and has hit a plateau based on his thinking because he doesnt understand opportunity cost.Rhystic draws you zero cards. It might draw you some cards, but because it's an engine, it's conditional; based on your opponents playing spells. And because your opponents control your access to resources, they will always pick what's most adventageous to them, not what helps you out. So he runs into a situation where he sees it draw ten cards and loses the game, but doesnt understand he lost because he had no control over when he drew cards with the engine. You cant goldfish it reliably to improve consistency. When he draws rhystic he instantly assumes it's a billion cards and stops goldfishing on the assumption he won, without actually knowing how much he needed to draw to actually present a terminal boardstate. If you knew on average you need to draw 30 cards, x cards of y type and b cards of c type, with z removal or protection you can optimize for that. But just calling it a day because you drew 3x ancestral recall that doesnt actually draw any cards when it's retarded directly limits your capacity to improve as a player.
>>97936043Understanding how card synergy works IS fundamentals. And how much you can get away with in tutors and redundant cards approximating similar effects to achieve the necessary card inertia and mana throughput to execute a desired gameplan.We can be here all day arguing about what part of the car drives it across the pavement or talk about how to keep it out of the ditch. Frankly I can tell you the maximum about handguns is strangely applicable: "Novices debate caliber, Professionals discuss tactics".So for a given deck that lacks draw lets slap in some pieces to build an engine and then ask 'what are we drawing to win the game or do something cool?" And stop pussyfooting around over niggling word games.
>>97936095Are you okay? Even just a cursory glance would show I replied to people who were talking to me and one who explained something asked of me. >>97936078IT'S INBANDING MOMENTGonna be fun to have to explain to people how it works. Trying to remember without searching it up to justify my use of it.>Any number of Banding creatures (and up to 1 without) can attack/block in a band>blocking any member of the band blocks the whole band with that creature>I get to decide how damage is dealt to my creatures as well as theirs when my Band is involvedHow'd I do?
>>97935918No. It makes it based. Fuck greedy land niggas.
>>97935828Hmm. Which should be the commander and which should be in the 99
>>97936127Or, you can use better tactics, and have consistent reliable card draw (available in every colour) in the design phase, rather than a single point of inflection determining whether you lose or get to play the game as soon as it arrives. An engine CAN draw you into your wincon, but the old saying about phyrexian arena is that it's 3 mana do nothing, because if it wasnt someone would interact with it, or you would have won the game. And to be fair sometimes it's not, but a single spell on the stack giving you gas is both easier to protect and plan around than an enchantment you hope people are too apathetic to remove.
>>97936162I'm retarded. Ignore me, as you should.
>>97936011>knight of le ebin legionI liked that guy in standard
>>97936152That is more or less verbatim how Banding works. You're ready.
>>97936168>having an engine means you're not running card drawI think I see the disconnect here,what if my "engine" is repeatedly causing the table life loss and has nothing to do with drawing cards, but I call it an engine?
>>97934708yeah i play counterfeit dualsyeah i pass on them off as real for street credso what?
>>97936215Then it wouldnt be very effective winning the game in isolation, because if it was people wouldnt let you do it. But I'm more cool with that as a supplement to another wincon than in terms of card draw, mana, or removal.
>>97936195Based, I imagine a 1 drop who swings good was pretty useful at the time>>97936204Fucking RADICALNew updated list until I get a Mercenary Knight
>>97936231The old border shitty knights area clear beard for the gay eminence trash
>>97936223Give me an image to attach to this in the OP.
>>97934940You're on duty to bake. You're online 24/7 right? Oh wait. STFU then.
knight of the ebon legion, attack with my mana up do you block :)standard allstar
>>97936248>area clear beard
>>97934859exactlythe precon with cyc-rif doesnt fit into a bracket because it was made before brackets. the bracket are a year old and clearly aren't really working for the most part (except bracket 4 being real strategic commander that isn't race to the bottom combos in cedh)but yeah in the "current rules" a precon with 1 "game changer" is a b3 deck
awfully gay and awfully discord up in here tonight
>>97936272
>>97936272>he wants me to repeat my criticism of this retardationFrom the archive:>futafaggotry>on /d/Go check their catalog and be happy we didn't attract one of the hyper expansion /d/orse dicknipple diaperfags. Now you can call me Swordfag or whatever.
>>97936272this is just swordfag himself btw. negative attention, is attention and he wants to see if people will defend him
>>97936271Not a single precon is bracket 2 just because it's a precon. You need to look at the decklist and its powerlevel and determine if it's bracket 2 or not.
>>97936271>(except bracket 4 being real strategic commander that isn't race to the bottom combosbracket 4 is combo heavy
>>97936294Why post old shit like that and not his new stuff like these? He WANTS people to know he gens porn and other retarded shit.>>>/vg/564548558>>>/vg/564547518>I am currently in possession of a penis
>>97936272Futa is pretty much vanilla shit in 2026 anon
>>97936159thisand even I say this as a red blue black player where red is mostly a splash and the deck is mostly blue. me being greedy with my land led me to not be able to ISH until I got an actual island. so I put more basics in the deck (still just 2 mountains) and haven't had issues. "people" who have little to no basics deserve what blood moon does and it should be acceptable in b3. it especially punishes greedy green & white players who more often than not are skipping putting the most basic card possible in their deck: Disenchant or Naturalize because they absolutely must fit all dey goo' stuf in the deck
>>97936248What?
>>97936250here you go
>>97936334yo chat is this real
>>97936350Yes. Trade him real cards for them.
>>97936350yeah i bought them back in like 2007 when they were uber cheapignore my turn of the century honda civic and hourly, non-salary job
>>97936354>Trading cards I truly think that a scammer is doing that at my lgs. He's always looking to trade cards and never wants cash for his "cards"
>>97936329Yer a faggot. Im sorry that it flew over your retarded head.
>>97936380>won't take cashEven if he was a scammer, and likely is, this seems odd. If what he's trading is fake, and people find out, they're going to ban and/or beat him up for taking real card which are still worth real money.
something like this
Imagine tapping your creatures
>>97936395You're not making sense, Anon! Take the noose off, there's not enough air getting to your brain!
What are some fun cards you don't normally see for a sunforger package?
>>97936403if I see someone show up with two ripped halves of basic lands and the name of an alpha dual scrawled across them, I'd allow it for the sheer audacity.
>>97936423Take the BaitMaster WarcraftOlorin's Searing Light
>>97936440>Master WarcraftThis card has never worked out for me in my deck with sunforger.
>>97936444Why?
>>97936440>Master WarcraftI looked at that, and I think it's bait. It doesn't let you choose who the creatures attack, so it'll probably end up as a fog most of the time.
>>97936457Other than making it so an opponent can't block, it doesn't have many options.Sure, you can say their piece you want killed has to attack, but you don't get to choose who they attack, so they can either swing it safely or politic out of dying so it just ends up being a wasted spell.If you are just wanting to make it so they can't attack at all, there are other cards like Orim's chant that don't cost nearly as much if you happen to have them in your hand instead of needing to fetch it with Sunforger. Or you could just fog it with riot control.That's my 2 cents on it anyway.
>>97936458>>97936466I've been playing it wrong for 20 years. Time to seppuku...
>>97936502>I've been playing it>wrong for 20 years>Time to seppuku...Wrong number of syllables, I give your death poem 4/10. Seppuku has failed to restore your honor.
>>97936512For twenty years I playedMaster Warcraft theWrong way. my shame; sudoku.
>>9793650220 yearsI played wrongSeppuku time
>>97934792Love this orcy boy
>>97935972Partying hard and trusting (knowing) that one out of my three opponents will play urborg.
>nooo! I'm greedy with my land base and I can't be bothered to put more than aura shards into my deck to deal with enchantments and artifacts! You can't just play blood moon and winter orb against me!
>>97936302At least in my games those combos don’t start popping off until much later like turn 6, 7+ if at all. It’s not like b5 where it’s a race to get the combo on turn 3 and it ends the game. B4 is more actual playing commander
>>97936624unfortunately this only works with your friendsyou can't expect randoms to not combo off asap in b4, much less actually agree that they should gimp themselves for you
>>97936629no rush pls
>>97936636>no rush pls>why not faggot>um... cuz gavin says we should expect b4 to combo off by turn 5?>huh?>can we just agree with wotc that combos should only pop off turn 5+ in b4? look i have a phone!>...hmph finethat's all you can do
>>97936636bitches say this when making an early spawning pool
Is aang clones super boring or kino?
>>97936666bant aang is cedh playable believe it or not
>>97936666If you enjoy Gyruda it's basically the same thing
Madness needs to come back.
>>97936619How is Winter Orb a greedy land base punisher?
>>97936711winter orb taps people's lands including yours and gavin thinks the avg edh player is too stupid to end the game after that in a timely manner and will instead drag the game and waste everyone's time>he's right btw
>>97936717Okay but where's the "greedy" part of this?
>>97936727he was being hyperbolic i guess
>>97936691he cute
>>97936728Fair enough I guess.
Is there a scryfall tag that will pull up all weeb art? Everything from mystical archive to anime.
>>97936760https://scryfall.com/search?q=art%3Aanime&unique=art
>>97936771This is missing some cards. I don't know what the criteria it uses is, but at the very least it doesn't have all the mystical archive Japanese arts. I'd also include a lot of JungShan's stuff even though she's Chinese, since WotC decided that was close enough for a number of Kamigawa cards.
>have 11 EDH decks>average mana cost is 3.61
>>97936800I look like say and do this
>>97936376why would that indicate anything negative? Bezo's was driving an old Civic when he became a billionaire. working hourly is for shmucks but as a part time thing if you've got some other cash flow is pretty normal>t. bought a volcanic island in 2010 and a bayou in 2011, drive an 07 Camry, dont have a "real job"
>>97936760reminder scryfall is ran by a troon groomer. I would seek alternatives (plus their search system sucks its actually kind of broken)
https://moxfield.com/decks/vB5TJ6zrKEyHa3ut3LPMeAThis commander sucks fucking DICKHow do I make this deck suck less
>>97935758>Curious what you're doing with Tekuthal?good morning and mostly just +1 counters that trigger on drawing a card or putting counter on draws a card with some planeswalkers on side. I was tempted to run brick counters alongside charge counters but beyond the mana pyramid i couldn't justify it. Might tune it up for it a lil bit with strixhaven cards since there were some fitting the theme but certainly not for the magister scepter cranking engine
>>97936717consider the following
>>97936884Extra turns tribal.
Dies to Doom Blade so it's bad.
>>97936884nigga you have 7 mana draw 2 cards that can't even reprepare, how is it not to suck. Take out thunderclap and stormcatch and put some 2+ mana rocks even if they're colorless.The fuck are you clonning here? Rootha? You'd be better off keeping the precon's rite of replication to have 5 copies of your fattest elemental and tempo out. Coping that you have paradigm to make more tokens of her maybe later is kinda sadGet volcanic vision to recycle the most expensive thing available while clearing up the board a lil maybe, sadly volcanic itself is not recycleable.
Post edh "youtubers" that you hate. Tried to watch some gameplay, that girl and veggie wagon were insufferable. Decked put, is a piece of trash
Why do I never see this guy?He is a potential scaling wincon that draws cards and costs 2 mana. "Historic" is hardly a hard sell for options to build around.
>>97936918Forgot image, I'm dumb
>>97936922>This ability triggers only once each turnFound your problem
>>97936934"Only" getting to draw a card once per turn while also making a scaling unblockable attacker on a 2 drop is not that substantial of a downside.
>>97936922once each turn is super frustrating, and he still takes ages to kill people unless you get a lil voltrony but then people will want to remove your value piecebut really I think people don't play him because he has no UB cred (no one played valhalla) and he has kinda mediocre art otherwise
>>97936918not accounting for people who did deck techs by sliding cards 1by1 in like 2018 pretty much everyone but trinket mage outside of the trio podcast. I fucking swear the deer faggot even laughs in a way to ragebait you
>>97936922Most historic lovers are either on Jhoira or a Whopile, depending on whether or not they've taken the UB pill or not
>>97936918I don't "hate" any of them, but I can't stand to listen to people who have that theater-kid Critical role sphere style of speaking, which is the majority of them.
>>97936877No one asked
>>97936918Deertranny and his entire circle, quips & guack, the professor, list goes on.At this point Blood Artist is the only one I tolerate, mostly because I like his doodles and gags.
>>97937067Their search system does suck thoughbeit.
>>97936691i have the beast in my sights
>>97937188Works on my machine
>>97934708>tqDid this last night with the pod it was fun for a change of pace (everyone used ub)
>>97937434Show deck and explain how it works.
>>97937090I could see disliking diaper elk, but guac isn't terrible. Mald at least isn't an absolute shitter at the game.
>>97937345*gunshot sound effect*
>>97936691We got Mayhem and it's not much different
>>97936918Prof. All he does is cry about UB. It's like watching a channel lead by the most anti-UB faggot on this board. He doesn't even write his own shit anymore.And he complains in every video. Even if he does a video opening stuff for his new favorite set he cannot resist bitching about UB during it.UB Mind raped the guy.
>>97937188What's bad about it?
>>97936918Trinket mage posts straight rage bait all day. I have never made it through a single one of the guy's videos without getting angry at his stupid uneducated opinions on the game. Everyone else is tolerable at worst but I truly have no patience for Trinketfag
>>97936691I drafted modern horizons 2 two weeks ago when it was back for a flashback draft on MTGO (pulled a Ragavan the Monke so I ended up positive)All the cards on that have madness are they are extremely annoying and terribly designed cards. very rarely is madness very good and having to play around intentional discard is a nightmare
>>97937689Are you the same guy who posts about him here all the time?
>oh cool, I can use the morph abilities of face down forests>I'll want some sac outlets to be able to reset the morph cards>If I put in these cards that morph for {0}, {1}, {G}, etc. I can flip them up for free>Get to the table>It's boring infiniteslopI think this commander has a really cool effect, but my dream of a "second hand" of morph creatures hiding in the woods becomes the most time-wasting, infinite-combo-that-doesn't-win pile ever.Can you make a Yedora deck fun or is it time to give up?
>>97937781Just don't fill it with cards you can turn face-up for 0/1 mana? You've created the problem yourself. Remove some of the weak stuff that flips for cheap and put more powerful cards that cost more to do it instead.
>>97937737Why would I be? I hate his ass
>>97937781Dont run combos then? Play shit like Titania, land animation, earthbending and overrun effects
>>97938047>land animationCan also go infinite if it's free / on etb. I might just remove the sac outlets so I can animate in peace
Is 14 white cards enough to make Solitude work?
>>97938060You could also ditch the stuff that morphs for 0 mana and all your mana producing sac outlets so you don't stumble into infinites. That way you can loop some morphs but not infinitely.
>>97938075>all your mana producing sac outletsIt's tricky because any creature that returns as a forest nets you a G, so you gotta ditch the {1} and {G} morphs too
>>97938060You can even forgo morph for the most part. Go with Hauntwoods Shrieker and the Scryb/Quirion Ranger synergy to get your non morphs faceup.
>>97938068Might be a little tight but if you're okay with having to hardcast it once in a while. What deck?
>>97938183The Necrobloom w/ Astral Slide. My idea was to bounce it in response to the sacrifice trigger
>>97938197If you're doing Astral Slide shenanigans you probably shouldn't count slide and drift in the cards you would pitch to evoke it.
>>97937486Hearing Maldhound's jokes and smug attitude is like chalk on a board. Rather have just a voiceover and edited gameplay, donñt have the time to spend one hour or more hearing lame jokes.
I'm leaving anons, as it's been more than a year since the last time I played magic or edhIt's been fun bantering with you guys, I'm the anon who gets all autistic for exploreHave a good one
>>97938285Godspeed
>>97938285You'll be backI came back after more than a decade.
Looking through the SoS precon lists I notice that Lorehold is the only one that doesn't include a copy of its original Elder Dragon card (from OG Strixhaven). The card isn't expensive and some of the other dragons (most notably Silverquill but also Prismari) aren't super in-theme with the main gameplan of the decks. It seems odd that they would omit just Lorehold.
