Games Workshop prices are acceptable and i'm tired of pretending that they aren't. >plastic is cheap, therefore it should cost 4 bucksNo? The minis are expensive because of all the job that its needed beforehand, from the sculpting, from the cover art, etc. Minis can take even a full year of planificación>meh, imma 3d print, fuck game wokeslopNow, thanks to you, friend, minis are even more expensive. Now GW doesnt make any money off the minis and now they have to raise the prices to make up for your selfishness
GW shill thread? Oh OP you shouldn't have
>>97942259>Now GW doesnt make any money off the minisWhy should they make money out of minis they didn't print? Money not gained isn't money lost.
>>97942259Bait used to be believable.
>>97942312Manufacturing in plastic has massive fixed cost in the form of the mold which has to be amortized over the expected total sales. You expect to sell less then you need to account for a larger portion of the cost of the mold in each sold. The actual manufacturing cost isn't trivial - time on a million dollar machine adds up and the large number of SKUs means that they lose way more time to mold changes (which take much longer than you'd guess) than most manufacturers - but that fixed cost in the mold is considerable.I'm regularly baffled by how so many people completely fail to understand the economics of manufacturing - how are you supposed to judge the reasonableness or otherwise of the price of something if you don't understand these fundamentals of how the world works?
>>97942259k, feel free to paypig then, i'll continue to not buy their shit
>>97942259>thanks to you, friend, minis are even more expensive. Now GW doesnt make any money off the minis and now they have to raise the prices to make up for your selfishnessThis might be the post which makes me finally get off my ass and buy a 3D printer.
>>97942322I can go and get injection molded plastic crap for a couple of dollars out of a gacha machine. But sure, lets take a worst-case example as a sanity checkSuppose a mold costs 100kWell, most people buy three squads of marines, and we'll say they have ten thousand players for that army. In that case they only had to charge $4 per kit to pay it off.Make that $8 just in case, throw in $12 for shipping and double it all for pure profit, and the whole shebang costs just $40 for ten models. Oh. Well then.
>>97942259>Now, thanks to you, friend, minis are even more expensive.No need to thank me :)
>>97942353This. The whole pricing model is pretty detached from the actual manufacturing cost. GW could probably sell them for less than 10 bucks(at least without packaging) and still break even, but it's ultimate goal is to make money. Therefore the price is as high as it needs to be to maximize profits.
Games Workshop has done really good things lately, just look at the incoming 11th edition with the new rules and systems, the new models and specially the lore. Scouring was an absolute gem of a book and now they're rereleasing limited edition stuff that makes newbies feel welcome
>>97942419it's worth checking out gacha machines for shitty minis, especially overseas. i was in asia recently and came across some deformed knockoff pokemon for less than 50c. assuming those distribution costs are fixed and that the manufacturing cost couldnt possibly be any lower, then GW's shipping bill should cap out around $5 per box
>>97942259A HG Gunpla uses the same amount of plastic of a Rogal Dorn tank and costs 60 bucks lessGW are little dirty Anglo Jews that know they can squeeze their fanbase every cent and they'll still buy it
>>97942259bait used to be believable
>>97942312you're talking to a commie-facist, a left wing wannabe dictator warlord who doesn't realise he's a useful idiot. they cannot understand economics is NOT a zero sum game.
Imagine buying overpriced, unpainted and glorified green army men kek
>>97942322>Manufacturing in plastic has massive fixed cost in the form of the mold which has to be amortized over the expected total sales. You expect to sell less then you need to account for a larger portion of the cost of the mold in each soldAnd why the fuck do I care? Why are they owed sales by anyone? The manufacturing costs are none of my business. If I don't buy a Tupperware and instead mold plastic into a square shape I'm not offending the company. They aren't owed my money. I'm not supposed to make them break even. It's not any obligation of mine.
>>97942570Should color the other grey for HIPS
>>97942579True...
>>97942259Corporate finance bro here.They probably perform price-volume-variance analysis regularly. Basically it’s a way of internally deriving price discovery and sensitivity. Price costs nothing and 100% falls to the bottom line. Their products are prices to maintain the volume they need to achieve not only the margins they want, but the revenue and OI sizes they want, too.
>>97942259GW's prices are nothing to do with their costs. Otherwise characters and the like would not cost significantly more than troops.
>>97942570>>97942579>>97942607After 5000 hours in MSpaint
>>97942259>I am a huge homo I literally can't stop sucking corporate cock please exploit me moreYeah, this is what it takes to be a GW fan these days.The simple fact is FW could sell every kit they have for 9.99 and still make a big profit. Only reason they go higher is because idiot addicts pay more.
>>97942766Good pic, but you forgot the retarded amount of guns they usualy plaster their tonka toys with.
>>97942891and it should be precariously balanced by one wheel on a tactical rock.
>>97942749This is a communist board, everything should be free and btw kill yourself
>>97942894This but unironically.
>>97942970>communism/socialism vs capitalism/corporatismFalse dichotomy as a system of control. Simple as.
>>97943056t. Corpo
>>97942259Harvesting your organs is acceptable and I'm tired of pretending that it isn't.>my organs are vital, therefore I need themNo? You're a retarded useless animal, and plenty of people who do far more valuable work, both physical and organizational, could benefit from even a single year of extra life than you would from the rest of your existence>meh, I refuse to give up my organs, fuck utilitarianismNow, thanks to you, friend, we need to establish organ harvesting abduction squads to track you down and drag you to the surgery room to prevent your continued selfishness.
>>97943123Didn't know the "billionaire-class" posted here.
>>97942894>>97942970Nah.Tongue-punch a plug socket like it's your dad's fartbox.
>>97942259I will continue to 3d print my own
>>97942259>Games Workshop prices are acceptable and i'm tired of pretending that they aren't.Yeah for sure!
>>97942259Original Cadian guardsmen box released in 2003 had 20 guardsmen in it for £15, the exact same box, same sprues, same sculpts, same all that shit except it only had 10 guardsmen in it cost £30 around 8th edition, minding, you needed more guardsmen around then too. LOTR used to come in boxes of 24 for £12-15 when it came out, when the hobbit came out they got swapped to boxes of 12 and also cost double. GW pricing is shit, end of. good bait though
>>97943570Nigga what is this shit? 135 yuhros for 7 models? OP is a massive retard, holy shit
>>979440688 models, anon. 8. And those are made from HIGHEST quality plastic folded over 1000 times! Why, it's a real steal!
>>979443578? Sorry, anon, I dropped out of primary school
>>97944366Hey, those are GW's target demographic
>>97944371No we're not. Us school dropouts are too broke for Faghammer 40,000
>>97944377Just shell all your gibs towards warhammer, anon. Sure, a single machild with a law degree can spend an order of magnitude more, but those are relatively rare.
>>97942322It's not a failure to understand, it's a failure to believe your bullshit despite how much you're trying to give yourself an air of authority by being a condescending little cunt. People can simply compare the much lower price of any of a number of other plastic kits also made in the UK but with a smaller sales volume, made by an independent contractor also needing their cut. Or the fact all these plastic kits and many of the companies themselves have sprung up over the last 2 decades or so. When mouldmaking was a significant financial imposition on GW they were a much smaller company and it was a more expensive process. The biggest difference is GW sees autists in a parasocial relationship with them bullshitting on behalf of GW and against your own personal interests and (rightly) treats you like a hole they can fuck and money falls out.
>>97944419You would think that thew advent of 3d printing would also make this shit cheaper due to the increased ability to make models, GW are just greedy kikes
>>9794232269.5% gross margins reported last year. GW prices are not cost-driven. The prices are based on what they think people are willing to pay.
>>97942259>minis are even more expensive.I thought the prices were acceptable and you were tired of pretending they weren't, paypig?
>>97942322>massive fixed cost in the form of the moldTell me, 7075 or steel? If steel are they using P20? H13? Something else?According to GW the best selling marine set is the recent 28 model space puppies box. If we assume a small run of 50 000 units, ultra high quality tooling with multi part segmentation, over kill 2 000 000 shot mould life.85.7 cents per model.That's less than $24 for all the tooling for all 28 models. That, I must point out, is the extreme ultra high end cost. I would expect that they are just paying for high end. The upper limit for high end tooling, which not coincidentally is also the lower limit for ultra high, would be around half that, 50 cents per model, $14 total.A more moderate estimate for high end tooling gives a 37.5 cents per model, $10.50 total.Don't get me started on inserts which lowers both tooling and cycle time costs.Assuming heavy models with large runners (not sprues you plebs) and highest cost plastic, less than 7.3 cents per model. At most $2.04 per 28 models. Assuming the models aren't all big, average of a bit over 10 g, and smaller runners, but still the top tier material costs, $1.42 total.You're looking at $15.42 for 28 models or less than 55.1 cents per model.>which has to be amortized over the expected total sales.That's today costs. You can throw that directly into 30 year old prices for lower detailed, worse material box sets, pre-inflation and see they were still making a killing even with unsold stock.>how are you supposed to judge the reasonableness or otherwise of the price of something if you don't understandProbably you're not. Which leads one to ask why you're not showing any understanding yourself of actual tooling and shot costs but still you feel you must apologize for price gouging and GW's long practice of charging more by point value and forced bundling/artificial scarcity (who remembers Missile Launcher only available as 1 per 10 marine box) than by manufacturing costs?
>Armageddon battalion instantly sold out on release dayIf anything they should be milking their customers even harder.
>>97942259how much is a gundam?
>>97943570>175 shekels for 30 ugly plastics and an even uglier neoprene mat>sold out onlineAoStrannies are genuinely subhuman. Worse than marinepigs.
>>97942259Agreed.It's the same as people saying "why does a 911 cost so much, it's just a car"Not understanding the R&D, the quality, the experience of driving it.GW minis are the same, vastly better quality behind them which is why they cost so much and have value.It's also why they're for everyone, if you're poor, Warhammer is not for you sorry.
>>97946561lol how can you type this with a straight face.you can buy model kits far cheaper from smaller companies that is the EXACT identical quality as GW
>>97946573Yeah, a sports car has air in its price (as any luxury product has), but there's still usually SOMETHING in the design and/or manufacturing process justifying the price gap between it and a basic car. For GW it's mainly just the brand.
>>97942259The prices are acceptable, but not for the reason you think they are, you absolute faggot shill.I accept overpriced GW trash, because it is the last bastion of any kind of gatekeeping left for it. If having less women and 3rd worlders in my hobby means I have to pay at least twice than what's the product's worth - I'll fucking do it.
>>97942463>A HG Gunpla uses the same amount of plastic of a Rogal Dorn tank and costs 60 bucks lessexactly(well I imagine an HG kit is closer to two or three 40K tanks in terms of plastic, not to mention Gunpla Plastic is probably higher quality than the plastic GW uses), which is why I'm more than a bit disappointed in the direction the new Gundam minis game is going both in terms of scale and pricing, sure they'll probably find a healthy niche for themselves but Bandai is missing out on the chance to eviscerate GW's marketshare considering the sheer scale at which Bandai can operate at compared to GW
>>97946588Thats how GW economics works. They are basically trying to maintain their image as a market leader. Called a price setter. They price their stuff high because it creates an illusionary effect of a premium product.
>>97942471If he's left wing why is he parroting the most right wing, pro-capitalist shit imaginable?
>>97946600LITERALLY this meme
>>97946640Because... uuuuh... SHUT UP!
>>97942259That was my frequented GW store before they moved location. I miss it. It was a tad cramped but it was a lovely place to hang out and make friends.
>>97942259I dont like their rules, I dont like their models, I dont like their business practices, shit I dont even like their fans. Games Workshop can go out of business for all I care.Wargaming used to be a gentleman's leisure activity before they shit it up.
>>97942316no it didn't, you just used to be more stupid
