Is there really anything wrong with never playing DND because it's too hard (getting a group...) and just engaging in the hobby by watching Crit Role and Brennan Lee Mulligan?Like, DND is the heart of fantasy, and it's pretty easy to talk about Bards, Tieflings, Paladins, and Elves even if you don't play DND. Some of us really like fantasy. And it's easy to figure out the rules even if you don't really play it.
>>97950162Is there anything wrong with never playing a video game but just watching bad corporate let's plays? Well no but you're kinda missing the point.
>>97950162>DND is the heart of fantasyIt really isn't.It just had really good marketing.Fantasy is the faculty or activity of imagining things, especially things that are impossible or improbable; so the true heart of fantasy is in everyone who wishes to create something beyond the bounds of reality, be it in the distant past, distant future, in distant galaxies, or even different universes entirely.D&D is a pimple on the ass of fantasy.
>>97950162>Is there really anything wrong with never playing DND because it's too hard (getting a group...)if, of all games, getting a DND group together is too hard for you... i really don't know what to tell you
>>97950162You are not engaging with the hobby, and you are not even watching people who are engaging with the hobby. They are just doing professional play acting, not even playing d&d.The fact that it is so hard for you to actually just play the game, said that you are not motivated enough to actually care enough about this hobby in general, so go fuck yourself and kill yourself
>>97950175There is literally nothing wrong with engaging in a video game by watching someone else play it.
>>97950209Sure and there's nothing wrong with engaging with a book by getting someone else to recap it for you.
>>97950162>engaging in the hobbyNigga what hobby>yeah i love cooking! No i dont have a kitchen i just watch masterchef
>>97950162>41%Can't make this shit up.
>>97950223>>97950228This is considered normal nowadays isn't it?
>>97950252>nonbinary = femaleyou people can't even handle they/them pussy, they/them cock would annihilate you
>>97950228>>97950223Secondaries are fun because you can BTFO them through showing your proficiency in the hobby. As long as you don't sperg out and make yourself out as a "hater" than everyone will recognize the secondary for being hot air. Using the cooking example, it's one thing to gush over making cookies but it's another to have somebody go through the effort of making some.
>>97950255There are plenty of hobbies you can engage with passively as opposed to as an active participant. Sports, film, politics, you name it. I don't know that I would want to include tabletop games as one of those, but the avenues to consume it passively are there in realplays, whatever the fuck Critical Role is, and media based on those (like Lodoss, Pitch Black, or the Malazan books).
>>97950262At least half, if not more than 3/4, of the "female" category is trannies. You know this. I know this.
>>97950274What the fuck did I just read?
>>97950274>Secondaries are fun because you can BTFO them through showing your proficiency in the hobby.No, you just look like an unfun autist.
>>97950182>The heart of fantasy is Tolkien.>The heart of Tolkien is walking through the English countryside. Mother fucking yanks don't got no Mabinogion but they have Disney. Garry Gygax was obsessed with medieval accuracy but never spent time in Europe.
>>97950252Dunno, I ran a game with all women players for few years. It was for my girlfriend and her friends. Well ... When I say "game" I mean more magical realm roleplay shit. I don't think any of them ever actually learnt how magic slots worked.
>>97950162>just engaging in the hobby by watching Crit Role and Brennan Lee Mulligan?Yes. That is not engaging with the hobby. Those people are entertainers putting on a show. I know you may think that they look like they are playing a game and they may even reference rules, at times, but what they are doing is so fundamentally removed from the hobby, that you cannot consider it the same thing as actually playing a fucking RPG.
>>97950346>Well ... When I say "game" I mean more magical realm roleplay shit. I don't think any of them ever actually learnt how magic slots worked.Everybody starts somewhere. Nothing wrong with that. At least they sat down and played the game.
>>97950162> Watching a WW1 documentary is the same as being at the Somme.
>>97950359Funny thing was that they spent most of their game as murderhobos going around collecting attractive male NPC's.
>>97950162Watching TV isn't typically considered a hobby. D&D (and many video games) is in a bit of a special spot because the writing is influenced by the player and therefore has a sort of ceiling on how good it can be, but also the good writing isn't the point, it's the playing. Therefore it's more similar to watching a sports game than a movie. Which is a very strange way to want to spend your free time when you could instead just go outside and play soccer, but there's no accounting for taste.Also I frankly don't believe only 13% of "the D&D community" is 40+, if anything the hobby is too middle aged and will die with Gen X, although I'm willing to think a poll probably posted to crit roll's instagram would report that.
>>97950371Amazon chucklefuck squad. That sounds extremely funny and equally exhausting.
>>97950262Jesus I wish.
>>97950387Me: ‘You enter through the large studded oak doors and step into the church of St. Cuthbert. Your footsteps echo against the cold flagstone. The head priest approaches you-” Girl 1: ‘Is he hot?’ Me: ‘Umm he's a man of religion and quiet reflection on the cudgel-’ Girl 2: ‘Yes yes but how old is he? What does he look like?’ GF: ‘Come on! Don't hold out on us!’Me: Sighs. ‘He’s in his mid-twenties, with a well built figure owing to years of defensive combat training with a quarterstaff. His hair is tied back in-’ Girl 2: ‘I call dibs!’
>>97950274>food analogy
>>97950162You can engage with any hobby you like any way you like. Do you have any idea how many people watch hockey and have never played hockey.
>>97950162There's not anything wrong with that, but it's almost certainly, "almost" because obviously people are different, less fun than actually playing games.
>>97950162Just play Solo if you can't even find a group. There are not one but two generals for it
>>97950162The rules maybe, but seeing them in action is different.The intention of the machine becomes clear.However, it's a bit like watching somebody else have fun from behind a one way mirror.Getting some friends or family to play a quick rpg game isn't -that- hard.You should just buy a system and run it yourself.'S what I did when I was a dumb teenage dork.It ain't hard.
>>97950162>Is there really anything wrong with never playing DNDNo, that's as it should be.>just engaging in the hobby by watching Crit Role and Brennan Lee Mulligan?You're not engaging with the hobby, you're watching a TV-show, and you should reconsider suicide and fucking kill yourself.>DND is the heart of fantasyYeah you should absolutely kill yourself.>>97950209No, but you're not engaging with the games nor being part of the gaming hobby, and you are not a gamer, and you have no genuine interest in games. You're a passive consumer, and might as well be watching Dallas.There's nothing wrong with watching Dallas, but you're a Dallas-watcher - you're not a cattle rancher or an oil tycoon, and if you think you are you're legitimately deranged.
>>97950162I dunno. I’d say “why wouldn’t you want to,have fun playing games and instead talk about other people having fun playing games”, but then I remember /v/ and streaming culture are a thing.So, I dunno. I’d think you want to have fun doing this kind of activity hands-on, but I’m not you dad. And even if this is bait, I know that there’s enough people who would say it unironically that it feels convincing as bait.
>>97950262>nonbinary = femaleWho are you quoting? Because it's the funniest shit that you people can't even read a basic fucking pie graph, and just assume that actual thinking human beings are as retarded as you are.Let me spell it out for you:>Women: 40%>Other/"Non-binary xD": <1% (This means "less than 1%")>40%+1%=41%That's the joke. You may now commit suicide, because you will never be a woman.>>97950162>>97950252Of course, you can't trust this self-report presentation, because there's an inordinate amount of weirdos and degenerate that "identify" as women, nevermind the number of women that are "in the hobby" but never actually plays or engage with the gameplay (e.g. not actually in the hobby community).Big doubt that it's any higher than ~20%, possibly even as low as ~10%. It would be very easy to create a survey that eliminates such basic falsehoods, but they have no interest in presenting reality as it is.
>>97950162>>97950209Is it really that hard for people to engage with something in a more casual way like that, but just accept that they're getting a more secondary understanding?Sure, watch a lets-play if you want. But if you see people arguing about whether the controls of the game were good, just accept that you're don't have anything useful to contribute to that conversation. You need to act more like a guest in the space, and accept that people who actually play the game might want to talk about the game.This goes doubly for tabletop games, where most things that exist within a game are backed up by rules, numbers, and stats. The definition of a Paladin changes entirely based on what edition of DnD you're playing, and so trying to discuss the generic idea of a Paladin doesn't really work without establishing what game you're talking about.Likewise, the board is /traditional games/, not /generic fantasy/. There's plenty of overlap, but there are already dedicated general threads for worldbuilding or for talking about the most recent edition of D&D. >it's pretty easy to talk about Bards, Tieflings, Paladins, and Elves even if you don't play DNDAnd yet every time there's a thread along the lines of "what are elves like in your setting", the OP seems to vanish and not have any of their own input on the subject. I'd be more sympathetic to the people who just want to talk about fantasy if they didn't simply lay there like a dead fish and expect to be spoonfed ideas.
>>97950719>The definition of a Paladin changes entirely based on what edition of DnD you're playing, and so trying to discuss the generic idea of a Paladin doesn't really work without establishing what game you're talking about.Uh no? The very definition of a Paladin is a Lawful Good knight of God (think Crusaders) who has to be honorable. If he does something dishonorable then he falls and loses all powers.
>>97950162>getting a group..That's the hard part for me at least. Use to have usual crew that played all kinds of tabletop. But you know with age comes people getting deep into work, kids, families or gettin' other shit together. Gotta hold a damn zoom meeting just to schedule and planning starting anything.
>>97950734>Uh no?Paladins in 4e cannot fall and can be any alignment.Paladins in 5e can be any alignment, and while they can fall, they have different Oaths that have conditions other than being honorable.If you were somehow unaware of this, or you disagree that they count, then that simply demonstrates my point even more.If someone genuinely wants to discuss Paladins as Lawful Good knights that lose their divine powers if they're dishonorable, it's purely beneficial to clearly define that or point to a specific game when doing so, precisely to avoid arguments exactly like this.
>>979507834e is literally not DND
>>97950801Congrats. You've demonstrated the exact reason why somebody making a thread about Paladins should be specific about what game and editions they're talking about. So that they don't get any 4e players inserting their own weird versions of classes into the discussion.It's purely beneficial for someone who wants genuine discussion to state these things. There is no reason to be vague about a topic that you enjoy talking about.>4e is literally not DNDAnd yet you still refer to it as the fourth edition.
>>97950651I would argue that Solo is not the same hobby either. It's closer to "engaging with the hobby" than watching some faggots on a livestream, but a lot of the weird reputation solorpg play has comes from people confusing it as trying to be identical to playing any other rpg with a group. It's not, and that's fine, but it is different and should be recognized as such.
>>97950871But there are no 4e players except contrarian LARPers.
>>97951007Is there some reason why you wouldn't want to exclude contrarian LARPers from a discussion?
>>97951022They don't engage with DND
>>97950873I'd rather play solo than not playing a game at all. If anon can't find a group then who fucking cares that solo is not the same thing, it's still better than nothing.
>>97950162Well at least you admit you are nogames. Now get out.
>>97950380There's quite a number of young ones playing the game around here. I don't know if it's just a phase or it will stick around for decades in their heart and minds, but they do try the game out.
>>97950719Generals are circlejerks where people go for the vibes, there's few actual discussion and questions about rules aren't answered. The only use for generals is as link repositories.
>>97950687But anon, what if I'm a Dallas-player?
>>97951198>Generals are circlejerks where people go for the vibes, there's few actual discussion and questions about rules aren't answeredYou might have a point, if the threads where somebody asks a generic question about giant rats or whatever ended up being full of good discussion.
>>97951237Not every thread needs to be
>>97950588Yes, but watching hockey on TV doesn't work towards actively modifying the core rules of the hobby based the audiences reaction.
>>97950277Prove it
>>97950298When you link someone else's post, it helps to say something that has anything to do with it, to demonstrate some modicum of reading comprehension and discussion skills.
>>97950162I'd say its fine so long as you're not being a twat about how others play their games.
>>97950530It's one thing to gush over a restored classic car from 1958, but it's another to have someone go through the effort of restoring one.It's one thing to gush over an old colonial home, but it's another to have someone go through the effort of building one.
>>97951075Solo is better than D&D, by massive orders of magnitude.
>>97951479Make the people that claim to be female prove they're female.
>>97953329You made a claimYou have to prove itIt's simple logic Anon
>>97953358No Anon, the claim is that they are women. The burden of proof is on them. I am, in fact, demanding proof and assigning burden of that proof in the correct manner. You are not. Cope & Dilate.
>>97950298SHITkien wishes he was the heart of anything
>>97953384You should take philosophy 101or a statistics classOr finish high school
>>97953447Shut up.Take your hate-boner for authors to /lit/ with the other fags.
>>97953475Appealing to authority is a fallacy, especially when the authority you're appealing to is an education system that I have attended more than you have. The burden of proof is on the one making the initial claim, which is that 40% of DnD players are female. I have challenged this at its premise, since the survey does not account for the presence of men who identify as women nor does it require proof of this identification. You are a rube, you are not as well educated as you think you are, and you should 41% yourself.
>>97953507Damn, you didn't have to murder him like that.
>>97950162>The entire franchise and our hobby got co-opted by a group of retards that make less than 1% of the playerbaseHow do these wastes of space get so much leeway and say in every fabric in regards to entertainment, media, and hobbyism? We have to change gender in vidya to "BODYTYPE 1 AND 2" because of these cretins
>>97953507Remember when Larian released data on the kinds of characters players made in their game, and they seethed in public because the overwhelming majority of players were making human males? I strongly doubt any community survey that turns up more than 20% biologically female users.
>>97953827It's worse than that. They started frothing at the mouth, asking why the community created a "LE BORING CHARACTER."Why, because it was a white human male?????It's funny too, because they defaulted the humans to be nogs, meaning the community, on their own choosing and volition, decided to make that character white.
>>97950262>you people can't even handle they/them pussy, they/them cock would annihilate youYou try far too hard for someone this uninteresting. They/thems are just a new flavor of annoying women. The pussy is ok. The cock is fake.
>>97950162No, but you should go discuss this on /soc/ or /b/ as it has nothing to do with /tg/.
>>97950162>Is there really anything wrong with never playing DNDNo, in fact, not playing D&D is the ultimate solution to its problems. Find a good game to play, the exact title and edition will depend on what works for you.Or, just make your own, because you're expected to rewrite what you don't like anyway no matter which TTRPG you pick.
>>97953596>How do these wastes of space get so much leeway and say in every fabric in regards to entertainment, media, and hobbyism?Anti-fans play on normie sensibilities to bully their way into control.These people only care about the social aspect of any given hobby or interest, and only value it for its meta-contextual significance. They are more social than they are intelligent, and thus see the nerd and his hobbies as a target for (asiatic-style) collectivist bullyingIt's extremely pervasive in star wars, to these people the true fan is defined by how much he fosters a community for them to passively like something as an excuse to consume with their normie friends. They don't actually like anything obscure or interesting about star wars, but they know the glup shitto meme and throw it around whenever the nerds are talking about something Disney hasn't whored to hell and back. Because all they know is socialize and reduce things to their surface level characteristics. And normies do both. >We have to change gender in vidya to "BODYTYPE 1 AND 2" because of these cretinsBecause it's more accessible to someone who only passively cares. That's why they round off edgy content, that's why they use collectivist-bullying tactics through the internet to get their way. It's about treating something you care about like a theme park until your hobby is terraformed into a spiritual Orlando, Florida and subject to the same relentless tourism, and problems, forever. It's really quite sad, especially if you've ever lived in Orlando, Florida, and have to see every bit of escapism turn into more Orlando.
>>97950162enjoying something as a spectator is not the same as engaging in it.
>>97950162Well it's not wrong because people can live how they want but it is limiting and you're missing out if you've never actually played. Real games are different to what you see from CR.But here's my question since actual play podcasts were mentionedWhat actual play podcasts do people recommend other than CR?
>>97950162No. There is something wrong with mistaking your second hand interactions with being an actually knowledgeable player. This is where most people fail. Like people who try to talk about lotr when they've watched the movies and a few youtube videos, but they still try to insert their stupid misinformed opinions about the books.
>>97950429Tell us more about how he reflects on his "cudgel"
