Serious question. Pathfinder took all mentions of slavery out, but slaves aren't actually useful or especially profitable in most RPGs. Like, what mechanical benefit do I get from that?
I'm making a prediction that a specific shill will appear.
>>97956363Good questions. But these days all RPGs seem to be made for manchildren who can't handle dark themes.
>>97956429Yeah it's like, there's not much you can actually use the slaves FOR. They're not even worth a lot of money.
>>97956363PF1 was my first TTRPG and I've never played a single module for it. Who cares if they took slavery back out? If your setting has slavery, put slavery right back in. If your players take umbrage or are the kind who might, do research into the slavery practices of the Greek city-states to understand how pre-modern slavery would come about and be seen as useful for that sort of societyOf course slavery isn't moral in a vacuum but usually that fate was a preferential choice to mass execution from war or conquest or what have you
>>97956432Well, a fun idea could be something like, especially valuable / powerful slaves could grant you a feat as long as you have access to their 'services'. So like as long as that one knight girl is in your harem, you get Mounted Combat for free. Or an enslaved sorceress gives you +2 Caster Level or something, but mechanically it feels clunky.>"I have a priestess as my sex-slave, so I can cast Bless once a day as a spell-like ability"seems really odd
>>97956363RIFTS is still here.
>>97956363VtM 5th ironically (seeing how people love to whine about it being le woke and disrespecting muh poor nazibros).Ghouls, retainers and a herd of mortals to feed from are pretty much slaves to your blood, purely beneficial and bought at character creation as merits. It can bite you in the ass at DM's discretion (which fits gothic fiction 101 tropes) but the system itself doesn't punish you at all.Of course you're also inherently a slave to your sire and at a grander scale, to masqureade, cammies and any sufficiently older vampire. But that's thematically fitting and the reason you want slavery is because you can handle adult themes, not to fulfill some fuckass /pol/ fantasy, right?
>>97956441The problem with that is it either ends up underpowered, or it just becomes another mechanism for optimization.Slave sorceress gives a buff? Then every caster NEEDS one, in as many variants as possible.
>>97956449>My fantasy good because woke, yours bad because male gazei bet you play Lancer, faggot
>>97956453Is this what qualifies as "reading" now on the 2026 internet? Christ
>>97956363Ventangle Plenty of wargames have slave soldiers (Warhammer/40K, Infinity, Halo once they release grunts)Typically the tradeoff of slaves in any given traditional game format is less upkeep for shoddier service. In Ventangle your slave will try to run away if you don't keep an eye on it/properly break it in and in wargames this usually translates to lower cost models with worse stats, particularly whatever falls under the morale stat.
>>97956363Why would you expect them to be? Slaves are rubbish.
>>97956479>Is this what qualifies as "reading" now on the 2026 internet? Christ.Unironically and unfortunately, quickly skimming things to see if you can find anything to get offended about genuinely does seem to be how a lot of people "read" things these days.
>>97956363Retard.
>>97956451>Then every caster NEEDS one, in as many variants as possibleIf anything, that just delivers a much more profound message about how much slavers relied upon having slaves.Bonus points if the slave owner is more frail than an icicle at the turn of spring, and needs to balance using slaves as meat shields as much as he/she can with as few of them actually dying as possible.
>>97956441>>97956600You could use them like comrades in Only War, they give you bonuses and abilities as long as they're alive, they're pretty frail but have a low chance to be hit because they're just extras while you are the PC.
>>97956453>i bet you play Lancer, faggotI haven't played Lancer, or even read the rules. What makes it faggy in your analysis?
>>97956363disarm traps, slave army (+control spell), cheap workforce, sex slaves
>>97956363>Serious question.I highly doubt that it's indeed a serious question. Anyway, you can homebrew in such stuff if you really care that much. You do have to realize that the vast majority find the topic highly distasteful though, which is why most official games material doesn't include it.
Nump.
>>97956849The vast majority don't give a shit, and a big part of the rest only cares depending on how it is handled
>>97956874The vast majority of people have a negative opinion of slavery, retard.You can't make 'slavery done well' because most people instinctively despise slavery- especially in fiction.
>>97957132people love slavery and take every chance they get to inflict it upon others
>>97956363Synnibarr
>>97956382GURPS is the answer, as always
>>97957132We're talking in the context of a game, retard, the thing this board is supposed to be about. Most adjusted people can handle whatever being in a game without sperging out.And besides, "people" that would start bitching about slavery being present in a game of pretend are likely to start ranting about how wrong it is while they wait for a fucker from bangladesh to deliver them sushi on a bicycle under the rain for 3 bucks per hour, and think that's totally fine because he's been paid.
>>97956363You want Tales of Gor.
>>97957312ESL or British, which one are you?
>>97957359Completely, utterly irrelevant, mutt.
>>97956363Slaves were livestock historically. Super cool slaves (artists, craftsmen, etc) would simply be bought by kings and the extremely rich.The party has no need for livestock as they are not running an enterprise nor can they afford mage slaves.A priest as a slave would be an insult to that entire priesthood and would be punished heavily if it was anywhere that priesthood existed. If it was a socially rejected priesthood (priest of an opposing god) then having it alongside you is suspicious and you better kill it.Anyone more capable than riff raff would have family and friends who would be angered by you taking them. Simply put, slavery as a useful thing to a party of adventurers is stupid.Also slavery has always been considered evil since the invention of slavery. To compare it to something of the current day, it was treated like thirdworld sweatshops are treated today. Something nasty you benefit from.Slavers were considered nasty even by the people who owned and bought slaves. Treating slaves badly was treated in the same way domestic abuse was.
>>97956447Not OP, but what’s that about RIFTS now?
>OP asking why anyone would want to own a slave>Constantly posting images of large-breasted women in sensual, alluring posesI hate you. I hate you. You're asking about slavery, but you don't care about slavery. You just want a woman you can fuck as hard and often as you want and she can't say no. That's all you're asking for. What about the slave-teachers? Slave-miners? The little slave kid you bought for your son so he can learn what it means to own someone? No, no. No! You don't care about that, you just want big boobies go boing boing.Y'know what? I'm a pervert too, so I'm going to answer this for you. Sex slaves are like, C-tier partners. I list them that high because you can generally pick out your "ideal" girl, and there's that whole power dynamic which can be very hot. Otherwise, there's really nothing that makes them better than, say, a Nymph or buxom Witch of the Wilds. Generally in *these* kind of games, the GM is well-aware of what sort of sex partner your character (or you, yourself) would be most interested in, and can curate the experience.
>>97957488>Nymph or buxom Witch of the WildsWoould holds hands wiith both.
>>97957503That's what I'm saying! In the hierarchy of fantasy partners, "sex slave" is very low on the list. I think if you're going to have a slave, having one of those educated slaves is the ideal since you can unload skill checks on them while also enjoying witty banter. It's easier to write an educated slave as a sort of "straight man" in a relationship.
Why do shitposters insist on this slavery shit? Slavery hasnt been a thing in Europe since the early middle ages so its completely redundant to include. Its just edgy. And the predominantly white players also dont want some brown shitskin faction kidnapping people on raids to be raped and worked to death either. Fuck off.>>97957583There is 0 reason a traveling party would have a slave, they will just bolt, try to poison or scam you on some artifact eventually.
>>97956441>>97956451>>97956600>>97956617This would work better as an eroge than a tabletop RPG
>>97957488Cry more puriteen
>>97956363There are a few unofficial Pokémon TTRPGs.
>>97957624>the predominantly white players also dont want some brown shitskin faction kidnapping people on raids to be raped and worked to death either.They want it to be the other way around.
>>97956429You're playing make believe. You are a manchild.
>>97956363Anyone who is "pro-slavery" deserves to be taken out back and shot for the good of society. Sic Semper Tyrannis.
>>97957659Skill issue, but also, a little bit of both.
>>97956363>harem girls (20).jpgWhere is the rest?
>>97957982You hate slavery because its tyrannical.I hate slavery because it makes people lazy and corrupts their racial purity. We are not the same.
>>97956441My game doesn't have slaves, but it does have mercenaries available that players can hire to fill gaps in their capabilities or shore up weaknesses. Besides the normal powers from character creation, each provides a unique benefit not found elsewhere. Sometimes this is a group benefit, like a martial artist providing +1d to active defenses, or a sorceress providing +1d to psychic defenses. Others have active abilities that indirectly benefit the group, like a duelist who can make a free attack against anyone who attacks him and fails to overcome his defense, which can be combined with actions like Taunt to protect the party. These could be made into slaves by removing their wages. I'd recommend replacing this with some other cost, like the need to feed them or whatever, or some sort of downside, so that the decision of whether to use them remains interesting. In my own game, I wanted to avoid disincentivizing hirelings too much, so difficulty doesn't scale (peril is unaffected by group size). However, the number of people adventuring in a region does affect how fast hostility ratchets, so while threat level doesn't increase, the probability of encountering natural disasters, equipment malfunctions, environmental hazards, rival adventurers, monsters, etc does. You might be able to adapt something like this for use in your game.
>>97956363Black Crusade (40k RPG where you play as Chaos-aligned crew) treats human lives as just another resource to be worked to death or sacrificed for glory of dark gods. Other 40k RPGs skirt around the topic. Servitors are grey area.World of Darkness / Exalted - gives you a number of ways to acquire unpaid workforce - from fanatical followes to thoroughly minbroken slaves.>>97957624>Slavery hasnt been a thing in Europe since the early middle ages so its completely redundant to include.WW2 actually, extermination camps might be more (in)famous, but slave labor camps were also a thing. Also soviet penitentiary work camps.
>>97958133Shalom!
>>97957488I don't really get the appeal of sex slaves. There's no challenge. What's the point?
>>97957982kek try not to kill yourself over it troon
>>97957624>Slavery hasnt been a thing in Europe since the early middle agesconscription is a thing in almost every european country
>>97957982>Sic Semper TyrannisYour government entered a genocidal war with Iran purely at the orders of a fascist ethnostate that very loudly professes their desires to exterminate your ethnic nation. You want to kill tyrants? Look outside.
>>97958401It's more like 50:50 currently, nordics, Austria, Belarus and Ukraine have conscription but West of Europe and Visengard countries do not.
>>97958425I don't think I've seen someone have any less idea what they're babbling about before this. Good job anon.
>>97958537Shalom!
>>97957488>He's too oversocialized by modern eunuch culture to even admit that yeah, owning a sex slave would be even slightly enjoyableBehold foremost among gays.One might even call him a Gaypex
Ahem.ACKS got you covered
>>9795636380% of the time when people are talking about pro-slavery, it's coomer harems. I've seen maybe a handful of people that approach the idea of enslaving orcs or goblins for their mines and farm fields. The mechanical benefit is that you've got unpaid labour in exchange for keeping them suppressed, fed, clothed, and otherwise supplied. Instead of paying wages, there's a maintenance fee and risk of rebellion. The local economy will also decline from the lack of jobs for freedmen, but if it's a feudal system that's already practicing land-based slavery, serfdom, it makes little difference. Slavery is super intriguing from a worldbuilding standpoint but so many players just cannot think without their reptilian hindbrain.
>>97958607>the ACKShill appearethAbandon thread.
>Wahhh, someone mentioned a game I don't like despite it being thread relevant, the board has fallen, millions must have nogamesOn your bike.
>>97957488>The little slave kid you bought for your son so he can learn what it means to own someone?"whipping boy" was a thing - commoner or slave kid that would hang around with young noble and get blame/beatings instead of him for any wrongdoings
>>97958648kek nobles were such retards
>>97958401Conscription is based on a whole different social contract. There's an element of coercion, sure, but if anything, it's more like ancient Greek debt bondage, not modern chattel slavery.There are forms of modern slavery existing in Europe, but mostly on the fringes of society.
>>97958739it's the same shit you retard
>>97958685It's more of a rules-lawyering thing. Tutors and maids looking after young noble were of lesser status and as such could not punish him, but at the same time misdeeds should not go unpunished. And while monarchy might be dead he idea lives on in form of "a fall guy" intended to take the blame and accountability when something goes wrong in a business so that executives can keep clean.
>>97958743>conscripts are treated like slavesSure thing, Ivan, it's the same all right
>>97958745>>97958648This was never a thing. The entire concept is fucking retarded, tutors could apply discipline to noble children if the father permitted it, or the father or the mother would just do it themselves, thats it. >>97958743>conscription is slaverySorry but not sorry, not gonna let ourselves get overrun by Orcs because of your retarded sensibilities.
>>97957132>You can't make 'slavery done well' because most people instinctively despise slaverySocial conditioning is not instinct. You are a historical revisionist and a retard.
>>97958798Choose your fate:1) Fieldslave in Virginia circa 1816.2) Conscript in Verdun circa 1916.If you say 2 you are lying to everyone including yourself.
>>97959185Risk of death is preferable to certainty of becoming American.
>>97959185Choose your fate: 1) An Eastern European gypsy girl forced into prostitution in Stockholm circa 20262) Conscript in the Swedish army circa 2026I'm not saying conscripted soldiers haven't had horrible things happening to them, especiallyduring wartime, but conscription in and of itself isn't slavery. Society cares about conscripts way more it cares about slaves.
>>97957132That's not true. 90% of people are completely fine with slave labourers overseas. Some of them complain about it when asked, but almost nobody boycotts the companies involved.
>>97959243I lol'd>>97959245>1) An Eastern European gypsy girl forced into prostitution in Stockholm circa 2026>2) Conscript in the Swedish army circa 2026That's fair, but I think you understand my point as well.>Society cares about conscripts way more it cares about slaves.I don't know about that. I see plenty of groups that work against sex trafficking. Not a lot of groups that work to abolish the draft.
>>97959255As long as you call it something else and draw some arbitrary distinction people are too stupid or mentally deficient to make the connection. In Vampire the Masquerade it's "Ghouls", in Victorian England it's "indentured servitude", and in modern day it's "undocumented/migrant workers." It's vogue to pretend like slavery is the most evil thing anyone has ever done to anyone ever, but look at how the same people draw lines and deny functional similarity. Being forced into military service, where you will labor against your will, is "different."Run a tabletop game where there's debtor's prisons and migrant laborers from the backward destitute kingdom to the northwest where the king blew his whole treasury on titties and beer. See how many hoops the players jump through to justify it to themselves or if they become retarded social crusaders that ruin everything for everyone for "moral" reasons.
>>97959277Yeah, I get your point, and it's not a stupid one, there are some commmon elements in draft and slavery. I just think there's a certain level of society-wide buy-in regarding the draft where it's not abolished - after all, French conscripts went to the front singing in 1914, and so did the Germans.
>>97956814The gay commie designers, mostly.
>>97956449>VtM 5th ironicallyIs one of the most cucked and censored nu-products even worse than DnD 5e lol fuck outta here faggot
>>97956363Just play a Pokemon hack with the assumption that the Pokemon all have Mystery Dungeon-like intelligence. Downside is you'll attract primarily zoophile players, but somehow I doubt furfags are going to be something OP is unused to mingling with.
>>97956449>disrespecting muh poor nazibrosUnironically correct. Brujtards and Anarchs are now whitewashed into social justice warriors fighting the fascist ivory tower instead of being a gaggle of fucktarded ideological abortions composed of radical communists, neo-nazis, and carthage LARPers like they're supposed to be. Fuckin' gay and lame.>>97959832At least it's not as bad as Werewolf5
>>97956363This 2nd edition career in 4th edition wfrp.
How powerless do you need to be irl to seek out a "pro-slavery game?We talking week-to-week paychequer who gets all their meals delivered? Or like actual NEET, wheelchair-bound Discord gamer?
I wonder if these slavery threads are all made by the same faggot.
>>97960194Wait a second, half-orcs? As in human-orc hybrids?
>>97960247Even in 40k the "ork spore" thing didn't show up until later editions.
RuneQuest (Glorantha) has thrall-taking which is effectively slavery.
>>97960226Only one guy ever has liked the idea, you got it.
>>97959894>the Pokemon all have Mystery Dungeon-like intelligenceAh, so getting stuck behind walls and other characters so they're out of range, not using optimal moves when they're in range, and wasting precious items, got it.
>>97958634Not that this thread had any value being here anyway, beyond the nice tits in the OP.
>>97960300Disingenuous. Every slavery thread like this has had the same general tone. Almost always sexual, alongside glorifying or justifying slavery as good or something that should be impossible for the players to oppose in a setting.
>>97960571Fair.
>>97956363The issues are twofold:1) Slavery is primarily an economic institution, not very useful for the life of adventurers2) Despite being an economic institution, slavery actually is largely debilitating to the economics of a nation, and only benefits a handful of individuals in a parasitic manner while making the nation as a whole poorer, which means any games where you play as a 'nation' will incentivize getting rid of slavery.Thus, the only games where you're really encouraged to partake in slavery are those select few where you're neither playing a nation nor an adventurer, but rather a landed aristocrat or landowner of some sort.
>>97960577>something that should be impossible for the players to oppose in a setting.Opposing slavery as a small group is pretty much impossible, and counter-intuitive. Look no further than the American South for evidence of that. There's records of Virginian government assemblies where slavery is condemned and they float the idea of abolishing it. Indeed, there were people in the southern states that wanted to abolish it solely because they believed there were too many slaves and a rebellion was inevitable. That's not to mention that abolishing slavery pulls the floor out from under the entire economy and its labor market overnight.Abolitionism is not easy, nor is it clean. You can't do it without blood on your hands. The things you will have to do are nothing short of grand theft, terrorism, and murder often against people who are simply engaging in it because it is an institutionalized practice. For every asshole that abuses his $30,000 human livestock there were two that understood abusing them is fucking retarded. It's not like they had slave insurance.But therein lies the problem: The issues surrounding slavery are complex and not easily understood by people that are many generations removed from its actual practice. It is understood as morally reprehensible at its base and anyone that engaged in it was evil. To question this thought process is a surefire way to be called evil yourself. People are too ignorant to engage in discussion of the topic in an objective manner, so only the bravely provocative or the pathologically edgy are going to do so. Everyone else just marches lockstep with willful ignorance because it makes them look good socially.
>>97960595>not very useful for the life of adventurersWhat is useful to the adventurers isn't a factor if they are the slaves, and adventuring is the institution.Imagine a king or queen with magical dominion over his/her land, with adventuring being just one step above the labors of peasantry. That royal having his/her will enforced by FFTA-esque Judges who make sure adventurers give the crown its cut. Said Judges being well beyond the level of any paltry adventurer, with murderfuck lances and impenetrable, immutable armor. Said Judges still being less powerful than the actual royal guard, occupied with wars and political moves, which only allow the continued existence of the adventurers because they handle the petty shit tasks like clearing goblin dens and culling wild hogs.>b-but th-that d-doesn't sound f-funNever said it was.It is merely a possibility of a more grim fantasy.
>>97960560
The thing is that summons are a chore to manage in basically every game. Why would summons who might rebel be any different?Also most people just aren't edgelords. Edgelord games where you rape enslave and torture your way around a world are inerently niche
>>97960642>It is merely a possibility of a more grim fantasyOkay, so if it's not fun, why would anyone do it? It sounds like you've answered the OP question. It's something people do for a laugh, realize it sucks to play with, them abandon. So naturally it's rarer.
>>97960668Yeah, this thread isn't very good.
>>97957132>if I dont like a thing, nobody likes itWell, I guess we are all at least a little bit gay, seeing how you like cock so muchAs for slavery in a game, it is mentioned in Scarlet Heroes on a price list. I did not get into the lore because I didn't really "feel it," so I'm not sure if there are any mechanics to it. You'll probably either need to adapt rules for retainers like AD&D or explain that slaves are not usable in combat or they'll turn on you/try to escape and make rules for when you leave them and go adventuring. Slavery was common throughout history, and there are many flavors to choose from; you'll just have to talk to your table about what they would like to explore about it.>>97960595I disagree; you could easily make rules to sell slaves in most systems, and it might make bandit encounters much more interesting.Using D&D as an example: You have a net as an official net weapon and plenty of blunt weapons, even some spells that can be used to capture someone. You'd just need to adapt rules for slave training that obviously won't come on any official material and make a price table for different sapient enemies. The truth is if you have a willing table you'll just need to work out the kinks.
>>97960728>I guess we are all at least a little bit gayNTA, but I'd like a cute twink to shoot a sticky load down my throat at least once before I die.
cont'd>>97960595>Despite being an economic institution, slavery actually is largely debilitating to the economics of a nationIf you take Rome you'll see the strongest economy of its time, fueled directly by slave labor>b-but it eventually fell!So did every other nation, and it lasted much less than Rome ever did.
>>97960753Every economy in that era used slavery too, so clearly it wasn't specifically the slavery making Rome strong.
>>97960741lol fag
>>97960775>He doesnt suck femboy dickWhat a loser!
>>97960577I'm going to get down to the brass tacks with youThe fact is that being a slave-owner is fucking great. Being a slave-owner with nubile women at your beck and call is even better.Having power over others, especially women, is amazing.
>>97960753>If you take Rome you'll see the strongest economy of its time, fueled directly by slave laborRome's economy was crippled by its slave labor. The free citizenry literally couldn't get jobs because of all the slaves, forcing them to live on permanent welfare from the grain dole. The Roman economy was basically a giant welfare state focused around making a massive unemployed population of leeches happy because of slavery.
The downside, of course, is that being a slave is fucking lousy.Having no power over yourself, while a slave-owner holds absolute power over you, is horrible.
>>97961034>leechesThe leeches in this case would be the people living off slavery, not the average roman joe which was receiving back a part of the many taxes and duties that needed to be paid to the emperor. And while you call it welfare they were literally handing out food to roman citizens, not some abstract form of wealth. And the food wasn't coming from "slave labor" like you're LARPing here, but from the near east provinces rich in grain. That's why the food never stopped until they lost these provinces.Get your facts straight, bitch.
>>97960577>justifying slavery as goodIt's a game.>Almost always sexuaThe fuck are you doing on 4chan if you can't handle some sex?
>>97956363>Where are all the pro-slavery gamesthey aren't fun and in the modern world its not a popular enough idea outside of weeb shit to be developed. In weeb shit slavery is used as a lazy answer for "why would a person adventure with generic black haired male protag #455137 when he doesn't have a personality" and its magically induced where disobeying your slave master you die but its fine because they're nice!
>>97961088>he wants to have pretend sex with strangers/friendsalso >>97961088>The fuck are you doing on 4chan if you can't handle some sex?pic related
>>97961034>The free citizenry literally couldn't get jobs because of all the slaves, forcing them to live on permanent welfare from the grain doleIs this actually bad for the economy? Certainly you could argue that it's bad for the individual, as having all your survival necessities taken care of (which is basically neetbux or, on a larger scale in the future, UBI which is increasingly being explored as a possibility by politicians irl) would erode individual rights by making the populace completely dependent on the government and make them incapable of protesting, but is it truly bad for the economy?It sounds like an authoritarian governments dream: everyone gets their three a day and nothing more, so nobody's happy and you can use that to get them to enlist in your military or do jobs that need doing, but also nobody is unhappy enough to get any real momentum against the government.
>>97961144>Is this actually bad for the economy?There's nothing worse for an economy or a society than bored people with too much free time. This has been true since the first city was built and it remains true to this day.>It sounds like an authoritarian governments dreamTherein lied the trouble for Rome, many times: One of the patricians would be favored by the plebs. Part of the reason Julius was able to challenge the entire Senate was because the people and the military loved him. After he was murdered, in direct contravention to all the laws patricians set for themselves and everyone else, Octavian inherited that goodwill and used it to install himself as the undisputed dictator and established an Empire that lasted for centuries or millennia depending on how you look at it.As an example, bakeries were almost universally staffed by slaves. There was a lot of derision targeted at people who owned bakeries, and toward baking as a profession, but inevitably the people who owned them were extremely wealthy. That facilitated an ability to push and pull on a political and economic scale. Now, 2000+ years later, it's difficult to grasp the full extent of the socioeconomic complexities.
>>97958401They still get laid when they get conscripted. And generally conscription still comes with terms and a time limit. Slavery, especially le big bad chattel slavery, didn't do either (even though toward the end of chattel slavery in the South slaves were allowed to get jobs and get paid for them, and then keep some of the money, see Frederick Douglas)
>>97961195>There's nothing worse for an economy or a society than bored people with too much free time.This wasn't a problem for Rome on a large scale, neither would it be for authoritarian governments with slave labour or automated labour theoretically eliminating jobs. There's always things that need doing, and these things can be completely made up.Slave labour isn't bad for the economy.
>>97960793NTA but I'm not the dick sucking type either. I'd pound femboy bussy and give him all the ahegao-inducing prostate orgasms he could handle, though.>>97960948Just don't go full Sparta with it.
>>97961258>Slave labour isn't bad for the economy.Not in a definitive abstract sense, and in retrospect I should have began my last post with "NTA." I think the point I'm trying to make is that the dynamic between slavery and labor as an abstract concept can be severely detrimental in the same way a labor shortage or surplus can be detrimental. If there's too many slaves the actual citizens themselves will be marginalized to a point of absolute dependency that will inevitably turn sour. A welfare state sounds great until you realize you're going to be living in near-squalor on whatever you are given. Even if, hypothetically, the entire population can be kept decently happy on government subsidization they're going to try their hand at arts or sciences that they will inevitably be shoved out of by the wealthy that spend their time on the same thing. There's no place for them, so they will get angry until they decide to make a place for themselves.
>>97961288So you claim. Not interested in a discussion with moving goalposts.
>>97957982Based
>>97960194>strike to stun
>>97956363They're inside my ass, do you want to look?
>>97961088>It's a gameThe fact that the OP explicitly calls them "pro slavery" instead of merely being games that happen to have slavery in them means that he wants to promote the idea of slavery to people who largely don't want to see it. OP, your average player is at best uninterested in your slavery fetish magical realm and at worst rightfully disgusted with it for one on more reasons, which is why you have to dress it up with disingenuous sophistry and /pol/tarded discourse nobody but your friendless, gameless ass cares about.
>>97960640>grand theft, terrorismLaws made by the immoral have no sway on the moral man. >murderViolence in defence of the defenceless is a moral act. >simply engaging in it because it is an institutionalized practiceIgnorance is not innocence.
>>97961437>Laws made by the immoral have no sway on the moral man.Rhetorical garbage. If you actually meant that you'd reject the very idea of the democratic process because those laws were passed by the exact same men.>Violence in defence of the defenceless is a moral act.So if a murderer is defenseless you'd defend him from being punished for his crimes? Genius.>Ignorance is not innocence.What a very fascist thing to say.
>>97961448>Rhetorical garbage.Blow it out your ass, fag. >So if a murderer is defenseless you'd defend him from being punished for his crimes? Genius.Yes, that's how every moral judicial system works, dipshit. Everyone must be protected until they have been fairly judged, regardless of what they're labelled as, because as soon as you accept the vindictive killing of a murderer, you accept the killing of anyone at any time.>What a very fascist thing to say.What a very faggy thing to say.
>>97961448>because those laws were passed by the exact same menThose men were not moral.>So if a murderer is defenseless you'd defend him from being punished for his crimes?If that man has the capability to murder another, they have the capability to defend themselves.Your arguments are bald-faced sophistry done in bad faith and you know it.
>>97961474>Blow it out your ass, fag.Not an argument, and I have noted your unwillingness to accept a direct logical contradiction to your rhetoric.>Everyone must be protected until they have been fairly judgedYou didn't say judged. You made the broad statement that defending the defenseless is a moral act. A prisoner on death row is defenseless. Will you or won't you defend him from being killed? If not, you don't believe what you are saying.>What a very faggy thing to say.About what I expected when you rejected the first point without any thought.>>97961484>Those men were not moral.So, by your worldview, every law they ever made including the Constitution and its amendments are invalid. Well done.>If that man has the capability to murder another, they have the capability to defend themselves.Not when they're chained they're not.>Your arguments are bald-faced sophistryWhat a deliciously hypocritical assertion.
>>97961493I literally just said that killing people is bad, retard. Do I need to simplify it even more for your rotten brain to comprehend?
>>97961503>I literally just said that killing people is badYou know why there's never been a society on Earth that refuses to kill anyone? Because the idea doesn't function.
>>97961508Irrelevant tangent and a pathetic diversion from your worthless intellectual midgetry.
>>97961521I accept your concession in the form of non-cogent insults.
The Nocturnal Table has slaves, lots of slaves.
>>97961508Not true. The Amish are a wholly pacifistic and largely self-sufficient culture.
>>97961585How long do you think they'd last without outside law enforcement?
>>97961591longer than most urbanites
>>97961607That's fair.
>yet another obvious bait thread that will certainly reach bump limitit's all so tiresome
>>97961630it's a popular topic, especially for American evenings
>>97961448When injustice becomes the law, civil disobedience becomes a duty. You forgot your roots, my sweet summer freedom fighter.>muh democracySurely you mean the original greek democracy, aka power to the (well-off) people. The peasants and the poor couldn't vote.Even if not, democracy is neither the best, nor the only form of government.If voting would actually change anything, they wouldn't let us do it.>So if a murderer is defenseless you'd defend him from being punished for his crimes?Boy, I sure do love a good lynch mob, don't you? Everyone just having a ball of a time.Forget the judge and jury - a few lads can get this thing done in a jiffy with some rope and a sturdy branch.Turn courthouses into whorehouses, I say!>What a very fascist thing to say.Great, so I can commit crimes but it's a-okay, so long as I don't know about a law prohibiting it, right antifa bro?
>>97961646Shit dem crackers pull outta dey ass to not work.It kill dem to let a brother rest for a day?
>>97961660>When injustice becomes the law, civil disobedience becomes a duty.Rhetoric.>Surely you mean the original greek democracy, aka power to the (well-off) peopleCorrect, and they were also slavers. The idea that a government can provide equal rights, entitlements, and freedoms to every single person is laughably impossible. You do what you can and patch up what you can't. That only stopped including slavery in the last couple hundred years.>Forget the judge and juryExcept within the premise of this a judge and jury have already been consulted. This is why the person is imprisoned, defenseless, and going to be executed. By the ethical maxim "violence in defense of the defenseless is a moral act" it is immoral to allow him to be punished. Segueing into lynch mobs is a deflection.>Great, so I can commit crimes but it's a-okay, so long as I don't know about a law prohibiting itI don't know who or what you think you're arguing with, but I encourage you to actually read the entire chain of replies. These points are being made in relation to slavery, slavers, and rhetorical vomit levied against the institution of slavery as it was practiced.
>>97961322If your goal is to have a large economy it absolutely is terrible. You can get by okay in poverty tier conditions but it’s obviously not ideal.
>>97960595>but rather a landed aristocrat or landowner of some sort.Rogue Trader anyone?
>>97957312You have to be ESL or British, because I wrote ESPECIALLY IN FICTION you illiterate cunt.Most adjusted people will see a human being being exploited in fiction as slavery and if they're given the choice to do so- will act as brave chainbreakers- as underdog heroesFucking retard.>>97959142I am sorry to hear that morals were not introduced to you in your childhood. I am sure it has alienated you from most well adjusted people.>>97959255Billion dollar companies are notoriously easy to boycott, aren't they?I love that people like you and >>97957312 love to bring up poor migrant workers taking up jobs no one wants to survive as a big gotcha- and not actually have a stance on it other than "get those browns out". There's no empathy, just a gotcha to be pulled up. Buddy, who made them that poor? Colonial exploitation has a long reach and affects economies and education to this day.>>97960728Please go out on to the street and ask people if they think slavery is cool and fun and report back to me. Actually, record the reactions too and post it.
>>97961984Doesn't RT run with "abstract wealth" that glosses over actual productivity of your subjects?
>>97962028>I am sorry to hear that morals were not introduced to you in your childhood.Correct, I was not groomed as a child. I presume that you must have been.
>>97962054It is unfortunate that you were not taught to read either, because if you consider morals to be sexual abuse there must have been some unfortunate circumstances in your childhood indeed.
>>97962268I do wonder what possesses a person to assert that someone else can't read through text while actively responding to text. Probably some kind of retarded, indignant, and presumptuous rhetorical game that has nothing to do with the subject of the conversation.
>>97962291What you wrote was orthogonal to what I wroteMy conclusion: you were not taught to read, or taught poorly, as a joke.
>>97961508America was founded in no small part by Quakers and Shakers, tbqh. Obviously it hasn't informed the whole of the nation's development but there are still pockets of Quakers in and around the founding states, and related segments like mennonites and amish.
>>97959832That's the point of the post you fucking retard, the setting is woke but mechanically there is slavery as a boon. Do you not know what "ironically" means? Are you one of those pajeet ESL /pol/tards?
>>97959142you're the retard who has been socially conditioned into thinking slavery is natural or whatever delusional bullshit you've been brainwashed into believing
>>97962311Movie references do not make your argument compelling.>>97962329>you're the retard who has been socially conditioned into thinking slavery is naturalSchizophrenic.
>>97956363I like art of pretty women as much as the next anon, but the anatomy on this art is outrageous. Her face and neck are both malformed. I suspect the artist was more focused on conveying a sense of heft to her breasts and detailing jewelry than they were the underlying anatomy, which is unfortunate. They clearly have an eye for character design.
>>97956363>You can purchase slaves at the auction block.>Porter slaves are available; roll one die to establish cost in gold per porter. These slaves need not be paid wages, and will function even if not fed (r215), but each day without food halves their carrying capacity, round fractions down. When their capacity reaches zero they die. See r206 to use porters.>Slave girls are available, roll two dice and add two (+2) for the cost of each. Each slave girl functions as a Gift of Charm (e182) as long as she is fed properly (r215), and can be given as such. Slave girls who are not fed lose this ability until they are fed regularly for as many days as they missed meals. In addition, each day without food for the girl, normal starvation risks (r216) apply. Finally, for each girl you buy, roll two dice. If the result is "12" exactly you fall in love, freeing her to be your mate, see r228.>Finally, on the market you find an old warrior. Only you spot his hidden qualities. Roll one die to establish the price in gold. Add two (+2) to this price if you didn't buy any porters or slave girls. If you buy him, he becomes a willing member of your party at no pay as soon as you free him. Then roll one die to determine his combat skill and one to determine his endurance. He fights with you like any other member of your party.
>>97962339What movie reference?
>>97956441>"I have a priestess as my sex-slave, so I can cast Bless once a day as a spell-like ability"That's literally why you would do it though....
>>97956504Its also the best way to read Lancer because it has absolutely zero depth or substance.
>>97962378Based beyond belief
>>97962378>>Slave girls are available, roll two dice and add two (+2) for the cost of each. Each slave girl functions as a Gift of Charm (e182) as long as she is fed properly (r215), and can be given as such. Slave girls who are not fed lose this ability until they are fed regularly for as many days as they missed meals. In addition, each day without food for the girl, normal starvation risks (r216) apply. Finally, for each girl you buy, roll two dice. If the result is "12" exactly you fall in love, freeing her to be your mate, see r228.This is probably the ideal way to "balance" slave girls. The edgelord fedoramaster who demands slavegirls in his game is unlikely to risk losing agency and being forced to Put Pussy On The Pedestal™, even at a 1/12 rate.
>158 posts and countingYou stupid faggots only have yourself to blame for the state of this board.
>>97962460For better or worse, "elf slave wat do" is a certified Old 4chan /tg/ staple. The topic endures for a reason.
>>97962432>What movie reference?
>>97962479Just because a type of thread appears often doesn't make it good, nor justify it's continued existence.
>>97957966That can handle dark themes.
If you just let this idiot whine away for 30 posts and ignore him. The thread will drop off and not even archive.This guy is the saddest sort of troll, someone who is dedicated to making a community space worse just to promote his fetishes to the point he has warped his own morality to justify wanking to hentai.
>>97962489>justify it's continued existence.lmao
>>97962460We need another puckee thread or two obviously
>>97962028>Please go out on to the street and ask people if they think slavery is cool and fun and report back to meWhat a retarded take. You are on a board dedicated to games where the basic premise is entering abandoned buildings to kill animals and sentient beings squatting there to get their money. Why don't you go around asking about that?
>>97963689>Why don't you go around asking about that?Your average person is perfectly OK with hunting, why would they oppose "hunting but it's inside a building," buddy? >but they're sentient-The average person is also OK with invading the room of a terrorist, which is what sentient monsters are.
