RA ROO! Edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/warhammer-the-old-world/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip>The End Times:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous Thread:>>97950992>Thread Question:Which army are you considering to start for your next project and why?
>>97962049>TQOgres or Empire. Ogres because I love good spirited hungry fatsos. Empire because I think Hochland drip would be immensely aesthetic on the table.
>TQIf nu hawk riders for wood elves don’t look like shit then I’ll start a wildhunt list. Otherwise nothing else really interests me.
>>97962049I have two 1500+ pts armies in my pile of shame, don't tempt me into adding a third one
>>97962101Not trying to tempt you, but if you were to be tempted, which army would it be by? And what do you have so far?
>>97962067Christmas dripLadies love the Hoch cock
>>97962125I have greenskins, chaos warriors and dwarfs. I'd like to get more goblins but if I must choose a whole new army it would be cavalry focused empire.
>>97962049Tomb kings. Hoping on the rumored starter box with wood elves cause a friend of mine wants to start them so its an easy split.
>>97962049If I were to start a third project, it would probably be Empire or Renegade crowns, just for the aesthetic.Currently working on 1000 points of both Vampire counts and Chaos.
>>97962049Im nowhere near done with my first army, only got about 500 pts painted.But empire, high elves or gobbos would be the next project.Empire for witch hunter in peasant blocks,High elves because eagle chariots are dopeGobbos because squig riders are dope and I can paint them like the klan and feign ignorance (haha jk jk...unless O.o)
>Beastmen battalion sold out online on GWs store>Found a hobby shop that still had one in stock with a discount on it tooRaaroo brothers
>>97962049i just started my second army with cathay, i still dont have all the models yet so i need to finish collecting that. i've already got a bunch of dwarfs too, the only other thing in whfb that really interests me might be high elfs, but only if they get some model refreshes. their cavalry and characters are good but their basic infantry and some of their creatures are pretty doofy. if they could redo the high elf dragon with the same level of fidelity and dynamism you see on miao ying that would be amazing. i do think the old isle of blood gryphon rider holds up though, he's great. overall im just really happy warhammer fantasy is back and getting new ranges and refreshes again. i like aos and 40k, but fantasy is its own vibe and i hope it survives this time cause they're doing good work with it.
>>97962049>>Thread Question:>Which army are you considering to start for your next project and why?Not an army but I'm considering adding a token kitty to the lizardmen.
>>97962592>tigers in ind>jaguars in lustria>lions in the southlands
People talk about 3D printing stuff so casually I expected it to be easy to find files.
>>97962611>small cat people in nippon
>>97962614because people report them and get them taken down. The thing that people dont get is who is doing the reporting. Its scalpers because 3d printing and recasts undercuts their scamming.Hilariously some of them started to try and take the moral high ground and claims they are offering anti-counterfeit services but realistically no one gives a shit about that but scalpers.
>>97962592>>97962611>>97962652we desperately need more fantasy in fantasy. this game, and especially the old world incarnation of it, focus way too heavily on the historical aspect of it and lordly fiefs and merchant routes and just boring ass human shit.we need more creatures, more magic, more enchanted forests and hag riddled bogs and caves with a dragon. the games gotten too far up its own ass with its obsession with human politics
>>97962667Makes sense. Don't think I'm going to be able to afford a full greenskin army without utilising my friend's 3D printer, so I guess I just have to be patient and keep looking.
>>97962614telegram
>>97962677what greenskins stl are you looking for?
>>97962728Night goblins, squigs, trolls, that sort of thing. But honestly any at this point.
>>97962734A bit vague, I meant specific files, manufacturers, and the like.There's tons of stuff of varying quality and lots of different tastes around.
Morathibros, not like this....not from that crone...
>>97962049>TQOnce I'm done with daemons of chaos I will probably wait until the next edition.
>>97962752Malekith really seems to be the only competent, half reasonable person in the entire clusterfuck that is Naggaroth.
They should make the monkey king and his people pre-Old One hominids that didn't get uplifted into modern day humanity.
>>97962890i remember ages ago there was a cool kickstarter for grim derp Monkey King actually sad i didnt throw money at ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-SUoHmpRdM
>>97962049>Thread Question:>Which army are you considering to start for your next project and why?Night goblins, because I like goblins. Painting starts Saturday, really looking forward to it.But since that army is already decided, the one I'm considering for my next one is dwarfs, so I can make a small Skull Pass style game. Already got the table flocked and the terrain built.But, I've not even started the gobbos yet, so my choice for next project might change between now and then. Might be undead, empire, chorfs, or the gobbos themselves if I get distracted by another army before Saturday lol.
>>97962734>>97962746I went ahead and grouped some stuffhttps://gofile.io/d/08Sph2
Orcos y goblinos is the chad race, right?
>>97963107Holy shit dude, thanks. The future looks green
>>97962049>TQIf the rumors about new Tomb Kings are true, I might be starting them. Still got a lot to do for my Beastmen though.
>>97963115No, son coronas renegadas.
Does the old world use the old metal greater daemons size or the new huge plastic ones?
>>97962614>People talk about 3D printing stuff so casually I expected it to be easy to find files.It was, 1-3 years ago. For a while it was a bit like a gold rush. Unfortunately in the last year GW have been employing a 3rd party who use AI to get anything and everything DMCA'd - even legally distinct files that just have 'warhammer' or like 'ulthuan' in the tags at the bottom of the page. Telegram groups have been hit too, a bunch are nuked, and the rest are locked down.Luckily, fantasy models are the least copyrightable out of everything, so plenty of good ones are still freely available. I only know of literally 4 fantasy proxy files that got nuked, and they were all fairly original GW creations (skaven bombardiers, dragon princes and the like).>>97962677>a full greenskin armyplenty out there, ranging from relatable proxies to 1:1 sculpts.search:- highlands miniatures (picrel, they have 3 ranges: moredhun's orcs, steppe goblins, swamp goblins - they are all different sides of the same army)- monstrous encounters: has made an O&G starter army, currently working on a night goblin starter army. has just released some 'gobblers' to patreons like 2 days ago, should be up on his store soon, and is working on gobbler hoppers right now. ('starter army' consists of 1 lord, 2 heroes, 3 troops, 2 special, 1 rare. pretty cool concept imo)- diceverse hoppers for more red balls with teeth- insight miniatures for some familiar looking trolls- MOM miniatures for alternate style orcs- avatars of war for a bunch of O&G in a middlehammer style- The Longsnouts for cool orcs based off the 3rd edition art- gublinz for more goblins and trolls- it's quite tough to find two giant red balls of teeth chained together, best I've found is 'tripping jester'- there are plenty of other smaller makers for other sculpts of orcs, goblins, feral (forest) goblins, cave (night) goblins, goblinlings, and so on - but the whole range is covered multiple times over by the ones above
>>97963140both
>>97963149Are the different versions different units or can you just use either base size for the same profile?
>>97963161same profile, different bases allowed
>>97963168Thanks
>>97962705I am convinced telegram is a giant in-joke, if only because even using actual phone numbers I cannot force the thing to send the confirmation message.
>>97962614Myminifactory
>>97963141Thanks a lot anon, that's a lot to chew on
>>97962890Not too shabby of an idea, since it could explain why the dragon emperor wouldn't be too keen on crushing one of the last vestiges of the pre-old ones world.
>>97962049>TQI started recently (7/6th) and I'm still painting my dwarfs, but after a few tutorial games I had something less passive as my alt. So once I'm done painting I might strat one of these:>empire: I love them, they combine my favorite elements, blocks of infantry and cannons with cavalry and magic which I don't have as dwarfs>vampire counts: they're just cool, albeit less than empire to me>beastmen: the ambush rules make them different and they seem fun>dark elves: they seem fun if underpowered and we have a lot of high elves around here>kislev: always liked their lore and cavalry so I might print a few models as allies to add mobility to my dwarfs>dogs of war: I love mercs and they can work as a main army or allies>ogres: few models, easy to print and paint as a side armyIt helps that all of the above are rare at my club which might be mostly orcs and high elves.
>>97963432>beastmen: the ambush rules make them different and they seem funAnd in 7th they have Raider. Such a fun and great ability.
>>97963432I know at least one other dwarf fag, who's been a dwarf fag in pretty much all games he's played, who also confessed he's very much fond of ogres because to him they were "like dwarfs but bigger", I don't think he's particularly bright, but he's a trustworthy and honest fellow and I believe his taste may end up aligning with yours here, so I will tell you to go with ogres, they are the most distinct from the dwarfs in size, look, culture, gameplay, still have cannons and guns, will be a more or less easy and relaxed project and you can even justify allying them in as mercenaries if you need a big army.
>>97963466>>97963432>>97963471Oh, as the raider guy, I'll agree ogres is a decent choice. It's a meme in this thread that beastmen are like half of the armies played here, but they are a higher skill ceiling army than the rest. In 7th, they also have amongst the highest skill floors as they have a lot working against them. As always, beastmen players know they're beastmen players before they buy into them.
This is peak dwarfen physique
>>97963466>>97963511We use 7th edition rulebook but 6th army books.>>97963471They're though as dwarfs but that's about it from what I've seen up to this point. They move fast enough to actually get in a fight with most of their army.
>>97962671>the games gotten too far up its own ass with its obsession with human politicsThat's what sells the best.
>>97964092Not to mention heavy focus on the fantasy side with no historic worldbuilding is how you get dogshit like AoS, a setting that inspires no lasting dedication outside of the superficial reaction to cool looking models
im not allowed to buy any warhammer for the rest of 2026 :(
>>97962784Truly our legitimate king
>>97964280Sculpt your own hobbylet
>>97964280Because you bought a copy of a David Gallagher painting?
>>97964280Why not? Also not a bad thing if you have enough things to paint through the rest of the year.
Is 4 mournfangs enough for a solid hammer?
>>97963140Both. You really want to get as close to 50x50 because you really need all the crutches you can get
>>97964299too hard>>97964320i wish>>97964324“ohh husbant you buy too much warhammer now we are homeress” and yeah my backlog is enormous and i am a fomo faggot retard adhd piece of irresponsible subhuman manchild shittardi have so much stuff i dont need and could sell but i keep thinking “ohh but what if” and always wanna start new projects
>>97964483I have the same problem. Recently I purged by getting rid of all my 40k projects save for the one army I have. I might get rid of that army as well. The goal being to focus on Fantasy, because I don’t have time for multiple games let alone painting multiple projects for multiple games. The bright side is getting rid of almost all my 40k shit has allowed my brain to justify keeping some fantasy projects I’ve had in the backlog for a while.
This is what TOW died for
>>97964539Cathays second wave is up for pre order on Saturday
>>97964548>Cathay finally got a half year old releasewow
>>97964539at least the fact that they have to show something else other than the 40k starter box model next week since they are revealing everything on Friday
>>97962165VC and Empire are the most aesthetic armies on the setting. Everything else is gay fag shit
>>97962049>Which army are you considering to start for your next project and why?I'm not even going to think about that. I'm currently rotating attention between building Skaven, Chaos Dwarfs, and Beastmen.
>>97964594MESBG gets 1/10th of tow releases and it’s still fine after 25 years, turn off the 40k brain.
>>97964695Joke's on you, anon; I'm as gay and fag as gay and fag can be.
>>97964539this is so fucking funny. 2 grots and a couple soys equals 4 nails in tows coffin lmao
>>97964357It's called Warhammer, not Solidhammer.8 mournfangs minimum cuh
>>97964836Samefagging is very cringe
>>97964844There is no way 8 mournfangs is not too many. I was thinking 5-6 MAX. 6 is probably stretching it too.
I'm thinking of having a go at making whatever the fuck one of these things is called (the bit on the side of the table that is painted to look like the battlefield extends out to the horizon)I'd do it in watercolor or airbrush, but I guess it needs to have a rigid enough back to stand up when clamped to the table. What's the best material to make it out of do you think? Perspex or thin plywood maybe? Or in general does anyone have any resources on how to make one of these? Cheers lads
>>97964874I might shitpost a little but wouldn't stoop to perry manlet posting. Please.
>>97964539unironically I think the day 3 grot is one of the best minis GW have put out in years. He's got that 2.5D 'limited by sprue technology' vibe that all starter box minis used to have.
>>97962752>son thinks another woman is more erotic than is own motherProves nothing.
>>97964824You should check out Beastmen, seems right up your alley
>>97964941What is it with this thread and broo?
>>97964918That's just called a backdrop. They are very common on historical tables and were used quite a bit in oldhammer era. I've seen a lot of them printed or just painted, frankly even if you create a childlike painting that's just a blue sky with some white puffy clouds, maybe some green rolling hills, that still looks much better than no backdrop at all.
>>97964539>TOW diedAnd that's good. You don't want Warhammer Fantasy to return in the hands of modern GW.
How would (You) rank all the major armies from S tier to F tier, in terms of coolest/their playerbase?
>>97965007The specialist studio or whatever are doing just fine with TOW.
>>97965082S tier: Things I like, such as orcs and goblins, high elves, or Empire.C tier: armies I don't think about much like wood elves.F tier: Skaven. Their figure range isn't appealing to me, and every single Skaven player I've met has been insufferable.
>>97965092lol. I can't and won't deny that they didn't kickstart Warhammer Fantasy back to life again, but nothing they've done is really usable in the long run. The rules? Awful and must be house ruled. The models? Hit and miss with dumbass FOMO minis that come up for preorder for a brief moment and then are gone again, I'm still using recasters for 99% of the models simply because they offer the entire catalogue of old minis because James won't. Not to mention how badly they dropped the ball with the "Legacy" armies. I can guarantee that if it wasn't for the Total War games this wouldn't have hit even a single digit percentile of popularity because for oldfag Warhammer Fantasy players this is still a shitshow, and I think over time the Total War fans will learn to sour on how James does business as well and come to realize that you have to take ownership over the hobby yourself.
>>97965092Yeah man I love giving High Elves dark magic and Humans high magic.
>>97965129>Awful and must be house ruledExamples?
If I have a beastlord on foot with heavy armor, shield, hand weapon, armored hide 1, does that cap out at 3+ or does it hit the 2+? Basically, does the parry not count because of the armored hide?
>>97965129This. Unironically I just played a game of Warhammer Fantasy using Midguard Heroic Battles rules and it was 100x more enjoyable and felt much more modern and smooth than TOW. It has all the tools to represent Warhammer armies but with none of the clunkiness and needless crunchy baggage that bogs down a game of TOW. Crunch can be fine in a game like Battletech where it enhances the experience, but in TOW is just slows down play and leads to more confusion and rulebook referencing
have you ever met a black person that likes/plays fantasy? there was a mid-functioning autist one during 7th that played tomb kangz and his dream was to work at GW. i think he was too disabled for that though, and that store closed.
>>97964483Lmao I just buy shit anyway.
>>97965191DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN GET A PDF COPY OF THAT BOOK????
>>97965190The downside of playing a non-GW ruleset is convincing anyone to try a non-GW ruleset.
>>97965003Thanks anon, you're right, even the one in your image adds so much to the scene
>>97964941Sorry, I'm more of a traditional kind of fag, the kind that is into perfume and silk shorts, not hairy men and sweat.
>>97965237What's the point of this larp? It's not entertaining me, it's not entertaining you. So why bother?
>>97965237Slaanesh Beastmen then.
>>97965092You’re arguing with Perry. He won’t listen to any positivity regarding TOW.
>>97964483Literally just throw the old stuff out.Fuck it. Don't bother saying you will waste time trying to sell shit. If you are a functional adult like you should be your time is worth more than the effort reselling Warhammer.Just accept it's lost and throw that shit in the garbage.Just last week I threw out all my old 40k shit. Done with that garbage.
>>97965189I would imagine it caps out at 3+, right? Parry specifically says "to a maximum of 3+". It caused a stir when that rule was added because it cancelled out any defensive advantage of taking units with full plate armour vs heavy armour if you were going to get them into combats.
>>97962890This is actually an interesting idea, maybe it could be implied, rather than just strait up stated/explained by GW. I prefer it when ancient history isn't totally set in stone.
>>97965453No he's not
>>97965162
>>97965519>Just last week I threw out all my old 40k shit. Done with that garbage.I threw out tons of shit outdated AOS books and modern white dwarf mags. I had better things to do with my time than try and sell them for pennies. I understand now why the average customer for GW is only 2 years. You eventually wake up and realize most of the (current day) product is just low effort churned out garbage.
>>97965519This is horrible advice, I’ve been selling off my 40k shit over the last two weeks and all of it sold very quickly and with surprisingly high retained value. Books/rules aren’t worth much unless they are very old, but the models themselves have a ton of value and resell easily if you live in at least a decent sized town.
>>97962049>TQHE. When I resurrected my main army (VC) few years ago, I started gathering HE in different states as a second force. Cleaned all of them, pinned and glued some, painted a few test minis. But due to some events, I started working on the empire and pulled it to a playable state. As soon as I was mostly done (one unit and hero left from my initial estimation). There were multiple minor projects in the meantime (e.g. 3rd ed Eldar for 1500, terrain projects, Warmachine Mk1, some dudes for RPGs). Now I'm building a chaos soup, but that thread of knife ears is still in the air, just looming over my shoulder. I guess that they would make a decent 4th army.
>>97965652In my city of over a million, the effort isn't worth it. Second hand Warhammer players are all cheap, wishy washy faggots. Too many times they agree on one day and then message the next (often the day before the meet to exchange the goods) that they 'changes their mind.'Don't associate with these trash. Don't bother wasting your life dealing with them. Just dumpster that shit and focus on the projects you care about.
>>97965244>larpIt's banter, and I'm not pretending to be anything I'm not.You seem a little tired up, though, maybe some deep breathing could help.
>>97965576>laundry list of rules and restrictions Truly a pathetic state of affairs this hobby has become.
>>97964918I've made mine on a cheap canvas. I should have bought something bigger (it's around 22" wide). It's hard to get decent pics while playing a game, but it works for pics like this one.
>>97965702So fucking based >>97965697The problem isn't that that list exists, the problem is that it is necessary
>>97965524Yeah, for most troops it just sucks. There are specific edge cases tho like this where I could take platemail, shield, and armored hide 1 if I took the chaos plate armor. And I think there is a way to get a theoretical 1+ in chaos warriors but it caps out at 2+ before modifying by AP.
I find the 7th ed beastman book a bit iffy on fluff. Is there any other good sources of beastman fluff?
>>97965729what are you looking for specifically? because I'm afraid your only options are liber chaotica and the age of sigmar battletomes
>>97965697Such is a by-product of a half assed edition clearly intended to recycle old assets & capitalize on nostalgia rather than make an adequate & lasting game.
>>97965190>>97965804Is Midguard any good? What other "unofficial" Warhammer substitute rules can you recommend? I love the lore setting and models but I just cannot get myself to enjoy the slog that is TOW
>>97965702Gorgeous, genuinely.
>>97965190>It has all the tools to represent Warhammer armies but with none of the clunkiness and needless crunchy baggage that bogs down a game of TOWTOW is less crunchy than previous version of WHFB, maybe you just don't like WHFB? Why not play Warmaster if you want less crunchy rules?
>>97965822Can you post any of these models that you love? Because I don't think you own any Fantasy models.
>>97965576>no harpies, no birdmenFuck you too buddy.
So 4 Mournfang Cavalry>Hand Weapon>Monstrous Tusks (Mournfang)>Great Weapons>Heavy Armor >MusicianHow does that look? You always take the Great Weapons right? And I think the Standard is a bit risky for giving up an extra 100vp? Or does taking a standard+magic standard for extra punch work well? And no Champion so that he can't be challenged out by the enemy?
>>97965702Incredible stuff anon, thanks for sharing. I'll have a look at canvases. Is yours oil paints?
>>97965822Warhammer Renaissance, but if you think TOW is a slog then that might not be the kind of recommendation you're after.
>>97965927All my stuff is packed in crates because Im moving tomorrow, but I've posted them before. Not sure why you are being weird, I didn't post anything controversial so what's your deal?
>>97965576>No fan based GW packs, we don't want to impose community based corrections that'll warp the meta>Anyway here's a list of restrictions as long as the list of sexual partners my wife's had since we've been marriedAdepticon organizers sure are something
>>97962890we already have the Bretonnians
>>97966011At least they stuck to their guns about allowing Legacy factions. I know for a fact GW tried to strong arm them into not allowing Legacy and they stayed strong.
>>97965576Wtf is a fan based GW pack?
>>97965987Nothing like that, I went the budget way. I bought a few acrylic paints in a supermarket and took a few lying around for my terrain projects. Then watched around 20 minutes of Bob Ross and started improvising. Took an evening to do this. On the next day I gave it a single coat of matte varnish, and that's all. It was a great break from working on miniatures. You should definitely give it a go, just don't make my mistake and get something wider.
>>97966109Things like the Renegade Legacy pack that aims to fix a lot of little things about the Legacy factions.https://www.squarebased.com/Or the GermanComp rules for tournaments.https://drive.google.com/file/d/172mG0ep6EgJClJiGijulksZSr1eDLZl5/viewBasically fan-made tweaks that aren't made or endorsed by GW.And before you start bitching that this is a negative for TOW, there have always been fan-shat-out rules tweaks for every edition. Mostly languishing in the backs of obscure Warhammer forums.
>>97966193Thanks man, very inspiring. Your terrain and army are awesome too. Cheers.
>>97966222I have seen very little opposition to the Renegade Pack online and none in person. As for German comp, IDK what that is but I don't trust it on the basis of it being German.
>>97962671I don't think human politics is the issue because all of gw's IP, 40k and aos included, now read as similarly shallow and locked that's even when human politics isn't the focus.The problem is that gw's fluff has become progressively inbred, it can only ever reference its products or at best some older product, fluff is no longer intended to give context, explain things, expand the scope and build the world, fluff exists only as filler to showcase the latest product.GW has simply forgotten that a rich setting is a product in itself and cut all possible corners about its development for everything else, worldbuilding is now practically only ever accidental, not reasoned and purposeful.
>>97962671AoS is this way
>>97966222>Bitching this is a negative for TOW Why would I do that? Passionate fans have always been more competent at making rules than corporate GW faggots
>>97964092Is it? Aren't the popular armies stuff like Warriors of Chaos and Orcs and Goblins?
>>97962671This is the opposite of what we need, fantasy needs to feel grounded or you end up with the shit show that is AoS
>>97966354Warriors of Chaos are the most popular army by a decent margin, but Bretonnia is also upper middle of the pack
>>97962671You literally want AoS, you've just been psyopped into hating it reflexively.
>>97966356you can be grounded AND have shit built on those grounded foundations
Take the high(er) fantasy pill /wfg/.You know you want to.
>>97966356Based >>97962671Cringe. Go play AoS or 5th edition DnD if you love freakshit so much. The heavy historical influence (thank you Perry Twins) is what really sets WHFB apart from any other setting. Without it, Warhammer Fantasy would be just another Tolkienesque generic fantasy setting
>>97966458That's just the Holy Roman Empire with air ships. That being said I LOVE airships and air balloons and the Empire could really lean into that aesthetic, that's probably the only way I can actually see it being improved. Pic semi related, idk what game this is but the airship is kino
More airships (based)
Almost done Grudge Bearer. Although it's a meh kinda book at the start. It does get better as it goes on. And it does a great job of providing a Fantasy atmosphere, grounded but still Fantasy. Imo the grounded atmosphere means that these races need to feel plausible as existing. We don't need exact minutiae of logistical systems and grain tally and taxes. But the world needs to feel sensible and consequential. Something that separates Fantasy from AoS. In AoS nothing really matters because the realms are effectively infinite. In Grudge Bearer you learn that there are 7 Dwarf Holds left in the Worlds Edge Mountains. Which provides a lot of weight to the expedition that is lead to reclaim one of them. In AoS, who gives a shit about reclaiming lost whatever, when you can just move away from the threat in your nearly infinite land. Why even fight over resources in that world that is effectively limitless?
>>97966489Sir that's bretonnia cool pic though
>>97966458AoS has been there for over a decade. If I wanted non grounded 40kesque fantasy slop I would have jumped in at some point. But I don't want AoS I want Fantasy.
>>97966513Thanks for the review, chatgpt.
>>97966533I am weighing in on the the discussion with what I am reading you insufferable faggot.
>>97966513i seen this book at my lgs. im not crazy about dwarfs, but i liked grotex and felix. is it all about dwarfs, or does it show a human side of things too?also got this with the front and back already laminated. so simple and concise.
>>97965918>TOW is less crunchy than previous version of WHFBHahahahaha .... no.
>>97966560Good stuff, I am glad you took the lamination pill. As for the book, it's 100% from the dwarf perspective.
>>97966513I read it on a long train trip, So I read it in one long sitting, it just felt like Thorpe wrote some Battle Reports and then constructed a narrative around those BR's, but it does lead to a rather flat character for everyone who isn't the MC, his Runesmith mentor, the Reckoner and the Rogue EngineerBarudin also feels almost overwhelmingly stereotypical for a Dwarf, but I guess that was kinda the point Thorpe was making in the book, outside of the Battler Scenes
How often are there new model drops for TOW? I feel like I don't see them very often.
>>97966560It's 100% dwarfs some Humans show up, but the interactions are entirely from the Dwarf perspective, the book also almost completely lacks Slayers, which makes it pretty different from other Dwarf-focused books for WF.kinda wish some Imperial Dwarfs showed up
>>97966617They've released 3 full ranges, 1 all brand new in the last year or so.
>>97966617expect at most once a quarter for new model releases
>>97966611>>97966630Yeah it's not incredible but I enjoy learning little bits here and there that flesh out the world for me. The meeting with the Guild of Engineers was cool for that reason.>wish some imperial dwarfs showed upWanazaki kinda counts?
>>97962671While I agree we need more witches and bog monsters and beastmen and such, moving AWAY from historicals has been the fucking problem. Look at Bretonnia, moving away from /his/ influences literally killed the faction in WFB, it was dead the same edition and never came back until TOW (in its shittiest form, LMAO)
>>97966668Ask me how I know you haven't read any Bretonnia TOW fluff Perrymanlet.
>>97962784Malekith unironically always was the reasonable one. Yes, including in poisoning his usurper.
>>97966662He is a Rogue Engineer who was exiled like 10 years before the book starts. An Imperial Dwarf is a Dwarf whose entire life has been in an Imperial Town or City, so they have somewhat different culture compared to Kharak Dwarfs.
Thoughts on Stonehorn vs Thundertusk?
>>97962890This is the most kino fan theory yet, I'm sold
>>97966690Fair point, but he's definitely different from the other dwarfs portrayed in the books. But that might be more to do with his crippling addiction to sipping gyrocopter fuel.
>>97964483>3rd edition Bretonnia vs 3rd edition UndeadI'm gonna fucking cum.>>97964539>What will help sell our product? I know, a bunch of fat old bald miserable 40goys soifacing at itI thought WE were the grog game, is 40gay not even pretending to be for kids/teens anymore? And if that's the case, why the Slaanesh censorship?
>>97966693The thundertusk was ruined for me when someone pointed out that it wouldn't be able to eat on its own
>>97966747It could be a vegetarian, could eat greenery off tall trees no problem.
>>97966700For a book set in the hold known for Engineering, I kinda felt the Engineers Guild didn't get that much attention in the book outside of the Wanazaki subplot, and that's resolved in half a chapter
>>97966765I'm not saying it's an amazing book. But it's a funny quick read. It's not Gortrek and Felix good.
>>97966771tbf very few Warhammer Fantasy books are good, and the ones that are(Drachenfells, G&F, Brunner, RotD) are generally well remembered by the general fanbase or had a big impact on the Lore, whereas something like Grudgebearer got forgotten for at worst being mediocre
>>97966787>RotDIt could mean nothing, but fun fact. The last page of the Grudge Bearer reprint is one of those " If you enjoyed this check this out! " and the whole page was featuring Riders of the Dead. Maybe a reprint is imminent. If not imminent. I imagine they will reprint it when Kislev releases.
>>97966787>>97966826Pic related
>>97966826Didn't they reprint it a couple of years ago?I was surprised that the Grudgebearer reprint had TOW branding on it since the previous year's winner choices didn't, they also call Malikith, Malakith in the book instead of changing it to Malerion for the one scene he's in.
>>97965082>S tierO&G, Beastmen, Bretonnia, VC>A tierWoC, Daemons, High Elves, Dark Elves>B tierTomb Kings, Ogres, Cathay, Dwarfs>C tierEmpire>D tierSkaven>F tierWood Elves>Doesn't exist tierLizardmen, Chaos Dwarfs
>>97966840>I was surprised that the Grudgebearer reprint had TOW branding on it since the previous year's winner choices didn't, they also call Malikith, Malakith in the book instead of changing it to Malerion for the one scene he's in.That's right. Also wtf at Malekith being a good guy in Grudgebearer? I thought he was a dickhead.
>>97966851That scene was back when Malakith was palling around with Snorri in the old world before he posined Bel-shannar and got a bit burnt
>>97966458This kind of apocalyptic shit happens like once or twice in a setting's history if your setting isn't retarded. AoS is gay because simultaneously, things like this happen every day, yet the scale is so ridiculous and 40k-like that it doesn't even matter, Nagash can turbo-kill 6,000,000 Inner Cities of Sigmar nigmars with a spell and the setting doesn't change one iota; also, this "huge massive battle of unimaginable scale" is represented by FEWER doods on the tabletop, not more; if I wanted apocalyptic Fantasy with giant armies, I'd play 10,000+ points games with other people, or collect Warmaster and pretend I'm actually going to play a game of it some day.
>>97966680Bretonnia fluff was all written ~6th, what a retarded fucking argument. Also I'm not Perry but I did experiment with Perrys when I was trying out alt kits for my bowmen, they looked like shit and were too tall. Claymore Castings is better if you're a poor
>>97966680>perrymanlet! You're 0/2 so far with that accusation this thread
>>97966680>>97966917Oh, you said TOW fluff specifically. Yeah no, it is moving more noblebright, but it's still not back to its /his/ roots. 3rd-5th ed knights were literally just historicals with cool helmet crests and potentially a pegasus/hippogryph. Go look at the baby bibbed foot knights and get back to me on how TOW is doing on that front fagit
>>97966892>This kind of apocalyptic shit happens like once or twice in a setting's history if your setting isn't retardedThey're a dime a dozen in fantasy thougheverbeit (and that's a good thing)
>>97966945>battering ram is the siege tower's cockO&G are so fucking based
>>97966693Both belong is AoS>>97966849>S tier >beastmen Immediately stopped reading
>>97966995Beastbros are the best posters ITT, chill players, and their models are cool. Doombulls and minotaurs and cygors are sick as fuck. I wish centigor conversions were more common though, those are rare for some reason.
>>97967012There's like one good beastposter, the guy with the white moon themed ones.I used to think beastplayers were cool but this general has shown me it's statistically unlikely.
>>97967012I think I'm the only guy using centigors and it's mostly because I wanted beastwomen.
Orcs and Goblin players and Ogre Kingdoms players are superior.
>>97967043>beastwomenStrict noncombatants in canon
>>97967012Fuck off beastfag. This general has single handled shown that beastiality fags are all autistic spergs
>>97967123Not strictly, but like, 99.9% are yeah. A couple of course go over to Khorne and go mad.Slaanesh also disagrees
>>97965198Here you go frenaHR0cHM6Ly9nb2ZpbGUuaW8vZC96c0VlNUc=
>>97967163>Not strictlyName one exception
>>97967185Idk how to access that code desu, I'm not tech savvy at all
>>97967254base64
>>97965957You need to break the enemy on the charge so take the banner. Hell take the champ too don't be a little bitch
/wfg/ - furaffinity tourists and /v/tards
>>97967283> Hell take the champ too don't be a little bitchWon't the champ just get challenged out and lead to less kills overall because of that?
>>97967302You get the overkill bonus.Plus most of your CR is coming from the impact hits, which happen before the challenge. Stop being a little bitch and buy full command.
>>97967305I'm worried about enemy characters too. If they charge or get charged by a character riding whatever. The character can just challenge (and probably kill) the champion and not have to take the rest of the units attacks. No champion means the enemy character can't issue and is always going to get some attacks coming back at them with nasty profiles.
>>97967123Harpies?
>>97967185Absolutely incredible.... Thank you so much anon, I'm going to craft every single one of those. Do you happen to know if the original book was printed on standard sheet of paper size, or when I print these will they be a different size than intended??
>>97967423Fuck
>reading Grudge Bearer >rich Dwarf Reckoner wants to be raised to be a Thane of the hold in order to find a wife Dwarf hoeflation is out of this world.
>>97967423I'm pretty sure it was printed on A4, so standard paper size.It was however made in 1989 so minis were actually closer to 25mm than 28mm, or the 32mm+ monstrosities of today. So if you have a way to upscale it 15% or so that may be a plan if you intend to play with newer figures.I have to admit I've only used the Slann in Space pub sign so far and not actually done the full buildings yet.
Warhammer Fantasy Battles
>>97966003Seconding Renaissance.It is not exactly streamlined, but plays better than TOW and is a charming experience that never fails to be fun.
>>97966193Get some clear blue gels for your lamp to complement the night landscape, you can use a frontal or side light to illuminate your models and then a blue zenithal light to set the mood, it'll be even lovelier than it already is!
Huh, I found an interesting tidbit. Halflings were especially active throughout the Empire during the Time of Three Emperors.Which just so happens to be the era TOW is set it. I'm starting to understand why they made that choice.
I'm going to say it because nobody else has had the courage to talk about this until now.The warriors of chaos, as an army, are defectively designed, woefully written, and utterly unfun in TOW. The army was built (or rather, egregiously erected) with the automatic assumption that you'd be bringing lmao2+dragons to every game and I think that sucks shit through a sandy straw. Daemon princes are absurdly awful, costing a farcical fuckload of points, only having four wounds, exploding expressly if they so much as touch a unit with a static CR higher than 0, chaos lords are retardedly restricted in the ways in which they can be used, with every "build" (a largely loathsome term, but briefly bear with me) that isn't the unnatural fortitude + AoMI + ogre blade or just giving them a dragon and nothing else because fuck you (though this changes nothing and not only is lmao2+dragons still meta, GW would go on to allow exalted champions to ride dragons, which is just staggeringly stupid) being nothing less than a categorical catastrophe, chaos warriors are so fucking terrible and so trash-tier and make me feel so sad I don't even want to do any alliterations for them, and holy fuck what the hell did they do to marks, they're mundanely mediocre at best and ferociously fecal at worst. And you wanna know what the worst part of all this crap is? It's not that GW did this intentionally, with the focus on chaos undivided being made clear from the start. It's not that what made the army special was either taken out back and shot (chaos lores, marks actually doing things, themed armies being fun and worthwhile, magic items being exclusive to marked heroes, etc) or simplified to the point of being banal and boring (just look at the absolute state of the eye of the gods table), no! These are bad! But what's worse? The fact that the army is "balanced", so nobody gives a shit that it's boring and is arguably in the worst state it has ever been in in terms of design and fun.
>>97966458I'm angry that nearly 40 years after their first appearance in art, we still haven't had rules or models for those Blanchian flying ships. They would have fit perfectly in warmaster, and I would have even reluctantly played end times if theyade an appearance in it.Bretonnian monstrous cavalry would have been nice as well.
>>97966741We 40k got big with the basedhammer crowd in the past couple of years, part of the usual cycle of fake nostalgia that led to the release of rogue trader and the realms of chaos books (they're some of the best stuff gw has released, though). The last editions of 40k have been so soulless that even the most loyal consoomers have begun to seek refuge in the past, and gw is clearly going to capitalise that.
>>97967512Yup, A4. I've made my own version of a dozen of those buildings by printing them and then tracing the fold lines onto foam core and thick card, they look great, but as mentioned a little bit on the smaller side. Scaling them up to 110-115% should probably do the trick.
>>97967790Honestly, yeah. I've been building a chaos warrior army and whenever I've looked at other people's unit choices it's all chaos dragons, T4 marauders, msu warhound spam and greater spawns of nurgle. The two most iconic units (warriors and knights) are lacklustre and only really work with very specific loadouts. Every list I've come up with feels boring, with very little incentive for conversions and customisation, completely divorced from what chaos was between 3rd and 6th editions. It's become a joyless, sterile army, a good fit for the drab new marauder and likely chaos warrior redesign.>Pic related, the sort of shit that a proper chaos army list should encourage you to build.
>>97968002Forgot my pic related like a buffoon
>>97968002Then play 3-6th edition with whoever you can convince to play it. Most people who play TOW obviously enjoy it or they wouldn’t be playing. Personally I think the FBIGO and back and forth pushes are great changes to the binary system we had before.
>>97968002>drab new marauder redesignGenuinely baffling take
>>97966513You sounded like you needed to convince yourself there for a second. Either way you’re not going to convince me fantasy is grounded with dwarves of all things. They’re one of the worst written races in fantasy and are a testament as to why lizardmen never got a single decent book
>>97968159He’s not alone with it thoughbeit. It’s not chaos it’s norsca. I probably would have found it cool back when Vinland saga wasn’t gay as hell but Viking shit is just tired.
>>97967847>even when GW flops their customers just move on to other GW productsGrim
>>97968175Marauder tribes are mostly Norscan? What’s the problem? You got Kurgans as models before but they are far less numerous than Norscan tribes.
>>97968175This is like getting upset at State Troops not being emblazoned with wolf motifs all over.
>>97968279I’m tired from work so I’ll just sum it up as thus;>I don’t like cadia Iykyk.
>>97968175Most newfags are too young to have lived back when chaos and the Norse were separate armies, for the average zoomer they're one and the same.
>>97968292As long as you know you’re in the tiny minority, like or dislike whatever you want. Just a terrible take regardless.
>>97968306They were never their own separate army. Existing as mercenaries and being your own army are two different things.
>>97968159No muscularity! Lame! Too much clothing! Gay!
>>97968156>Then play 3-6th editionBold of you to assume I don't already do. I'm just dipping my toes into ToW because some mates are enjoying it and wanted to share the fun with me.It's a serviceable system with some good things and just as many badly executed ones. I'll agree with you, FBIGO is a nice change, my main gripe is with the army lists and lack of flexibility in them. It feels like the rules team isn't particularly familiar with some of the armies, I simply don't find myself fantasising about silly or thematic army compositions with ToW like I did with earlier editions.At the end of the day, it leads to fun afternoons with people whose company I enjoy and that's enough to keep it around. I won't pretend that makes it a great game, though.
>>97968306in the beginning chaos was one big army of warriors, daemons and goats.They need to go the fck back
>>97968416>back in my day>frenzy doubled your attacks>mark of khorne everywhereChaos trolls with mark of khorne were busted.
>>97968424Chaos Trolls should be too stupid to be god marked.
>>97968369They were mercs in 3rd ed, yeah. Back in 2nd, they had their own (rather lackluster) list, just like Nippon did.
>>97968002One of my biggest hopes for a TOW second edition is a Chaos combined army. Leave that orderly bullshit with every chaos faction being forced into its own seperate category to 40k and AoS
>>97968531It'd be very profitable too, as Beastmen, Daemon and warrior (perhaps even dwarfs if they come back on sale) players would end up buying more shot to expand their armies.I'm not a fan of fomo boxes, but this would be a chance to release mixed battalion boxes; three existing regiments and maybe a new character to boost sales.Also, give us reasons to use the least popular units like trolls and ogres, there's a lot to work with, honestly.
>>97968560It would feel forced. Also if they do that one rumored thing where they soup slot of factions like wood elves and high elves in second edition then I’d be turned off from the game. Soup always bring out the worst for faction identities.
>>97968416>>97968531I like this. Chorf + Drogre + Ogre + Troll + WoC + Norse + Cultists + Daemon + Beastman + Fimir + monster soup
>>97968531>Leave that orderly bullshit with every chaos faction being forced into its own seperate category to 40k and AoS
O shid here I go painting more goats
>>97968733BAROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>97965082S: EmpireF: Everything else
>>97962049>TQBeastmen, I think they’ll be very fun to hobby
>>97968777Join the herd brother
beastmen fatigue
>>97967790>are defectively designed, woefully writtenThis applies to most armies (if not all) in TOW. I think the core issue is mostly with the competitive culture around modern wargames. The problem with games that are mechanically just hard math is that they can be solved and with the Internet they usually get solved pretty fast, you can play the game virtually on warhall to optimize the shit out of your army before you invest time and money on models. Somethings will always be superior to other stuff."Narrative" games fix this mostly but then the hardest part is to find like minded opponents.
for creating custom characters for cathay, what names would be fitting, especially for descendants of the dragons. which part of their name would they share?
>>97968818Just make up some shit, WFB isn't exactly a linguistically coherent setting. You need high IQ people like Tolkien for that kind of thing.
New player here. Is this a good entry point?
>>97968856Its breddy gud but you cant fit the big boy into a 500/750 point game so if you had planned to start playing at those point levels and Dont want to have to paint all 60 of the infantry you'll want to get a box of something else Recommend minotaurs or dragon ogres.
>>97968818Kung PaoGeneral tso
>>97968797at this point I believe half the posts that suggest a new player is getting beastmen is just one of the current beastfags samefagging
>>97968797At least they post minis
>>97968935I swear if I see one more armpit gapped gor I'm gonna FREAK
>>97968818usually the convention with chinese names is the family name first and the personal name second, but that clearly isn't the case with the dragons who I suspect just have their personal name and a cognomen but for all the memes about a chinese sensitivity team at GW they really didn't take it very seriously. 'Shugengan' for instance literally means dragon-dragon.
>>97968944Can you post your Gors as an example to the Anons then?
>>97968966>p-post modelsBack to /aosg/ with thee.
>>97968966We don't post models here. Here we talk about video games and our furry crushes.
Where are they?
>>97969083you vill bvy ze gunners
>>97969083the way the jade warriors kit is designed they could probably just release this as an upgrade sprue pack. the jade warriors use flat joint arms so they dont need a whole new kit for that
>>97968987I love renamon, bros
>>97969098Yeah but why is that taking them so long
>>97968987>we dont post models here I dunno bro I see plenty of beastmen models, in distinct various schemes as well so you know it's different anons
>>97969119who knows. could be that they just prioritized the other units, but the jade warriors already had 2 full weapon arm options so they couldnt fit a 3rd in the same box. its a pretty full sprue, 2 full sheets per 5 models.
>>97969083We already have high elf spearmen
>>97968159The models do look great but they're a different aesthetic. We went from the old Mad Max guys, to the tribal Darkoath, to the smelly vikings. Each of those has a different appeal
>>97967790>chaos warriors are so fucking terrible and so trash-tier and make me feel so sadAre you comparing them to other WoC units or actually other armies Core units?Because they rape many of those. Like State Troops for instance.
I wasn't aware until recently that Bretonnia also has colonies of its own.What do we know about them?
>>97969462
Isn't The Empire supposed to be the crowning achievement of human civilization? Doesn't Cathay kinda ruin that?
>>97969534>Isn't The Empire supposed to be the crowning achievement of human civilization?no, never wascathay is shit for other reasons
Time to build
>>97969506Damn. Not even fluff snippets from WRPG?That's disappointing.
>>97969553Fuck yeah bro love those models.First kit or you already got some orcs n goblins?
>>97969534>Isn't The Empire supposed to be the crowning achievement of human civilization?Bitch please
>>97969462Doesn't Antoch get destroyed at the beginning of 5th edition since the Lizardmen won the Global Campaign?
>>97969534no? even nehekhara was a far greater civilization than whatever the empire ever was.
>Antoch, as their city was called, soon became a refuge for all kinds of adventurers from the Old World, and Old Worlder ships found Antoch a vital staging post that allowed them to take on provisions for the dangerous journey westwards to Lustria or south to the Southlands.>So it was that a young Knight Errant known as Pierre led an army of veterans from Bretonnia's battles in Lustria to the city, where he eventually became Master of the Knights of Antoch, and Lord of that land. With him, he brought the Staff of Jade, an artifact acquired during the looting of the Lizardman city of Huatl. The staff became a heirloom of the city's lords, a symbol of power and security, and remained so for centuries, but eventually the Lizardmen required the use its hidden powers. Lord Mazdamundi himself gathered an army of innumerable size and led the forces of Lustria to reclaim this most ancient of artifacts.>In a titanic and bloody battle that would become known as the Battle for Antoch Plains, the Lizardmen were able to defeat the Bretonnian army that rode out to face them, razing Antoch and reclaiming the Staff of Jade. In doing so, their great Mage-Priests were able to perform an ancient ritual, saving the entire world from destruction at the hands of Chaostime to recover white dwarf 206 and 208 to see if the wikia is bullshit
>>97969575Antoch did get beached by the Lizardmen, but it still exists by the time of TOW.
>>97969589>to see if the wikia is bullshitThe Wiki is a lot of the time
>>97969609TOW is set in the past
sigmar>some chink ass dragon guy or girl or whatever ‘cathay’ has
>>97969553clean up your keyboard, goblin
>>97969553just got the black orc kit to add to my chorfs and holy fuck it's already my favourite kit. Seriously considering a full O&G army if the other kits are as fun to put together.
>>97969589>>97969610I've recovered the white dwarfs, and readying the page dumpsIn the meanwhile, for the stillmaniacs
>>97969748The fate of antoch begins in white dwarf 205, with a dark conspiracy
>>97969762In the following number we have a dioramic display of the battle of antoch for a games day
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>>97969799and the second installment of the dark conspiracy
>>97969553Closeted MtF coded keyboard if Ive ever seen one
Speaking of Dark Conspiracy, I've noticed on reddit that some wargaming club is doing an anniversary Campaign run of it.I think it interesting and makes me wonder. Has your local hobby club ever tried to replay any previous Campaigns?
>>97969801Then there are two more installments
>>97969804Takes one to know one :^)
please stop.. the nostalgia is making me cry
>>97969804Anon slowly replacing key caps one at a time.Good for her.
>>97969812the last one being in WD208
>>97969816Don't make me post the paper terrain from the idol of mork, grudge or drong and circle of blood campaign books.
>>97969787kino
>>97969787>That dramatic light-to-dark backdropHoly SOVL
>>97969825no dont post paper terrain, im starting to cry again. It was a more civilised age
>>97969821>>97969812>the realm of chaos could have expanded to envelop up to the entirety of the world>the expansion would have been decided by the percentages of the campaign>lizards just barely obtained 100%, preventing any expansion The wikia wasn't kidding, the lizardmen prevent an apocalypse.Unless this was rigged, but I don't want to consider that.
>>97968856Good start. As >>97968876 said you can’t have the Cygor/Ghorgon for Battle March (which I recommend starting with since its low-points), but he’ll be great for when you move up to bigger games. I’d rec getting a shaman or dragon ogres as a next purchase.Welcome to beastdom, bro.
Bretonnia, Tomb Kings, and Warriors of Chaos Battalion boxes gone, Beastmen Battalion Sold Out Online. Dark Elf book coming this October.GW being completely radio silent about TOW for months now.It's pretty clear stuff is building up and we're going to get a bunch of TOW news soon. New Battalion boxes and the return of a Renegades army all coming in quick succession. I think we're getting 1.5 edition this year.
>>97970019Until demons come back it doesn’t matter. None of this matters.
>>97970072demons are the first thing that doesn't matter
>>97970019This might have been years ago at this point, but didn't GW say they were switching to a new formula for the prints/molds? Might be why they're letting them all sell out before running more.Either way, yeah I think we're going to see at least a new erratad rule book this summer.
>>97970019i wish i was a cute hot sexy girl with big boobs but alas
