Everyone should be striving to run a west marches game, with as many players and DMs to a world as possible. If you're running heavily railroaded games and leveraging quantum ogres you're not experiencing pure D&D.
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>>97963388You can drag the horse to water but you cannot make them be a good DM.
>>97963374>you're not experiencing pure D&DThank fuck. D&D is shit. Play better games.
>>97963400No, I'm objecting to the claim I should want to play "pure" D&D for the implication I should want to play D&D to begin with.
>>97963374I don't want to experience pure DnD. I want to and do play other games.
>>97963374Braumstein campaigns with no NPCs and multi-DM synchronicity were more of a Dave Arneson thing. This is why Gary completely stopped doing this in his home games very early on.
>>97963409>>97963425>>97963439That's just cope talking. You're conflicted, realizing you've never experienced RPGs the way they were meant to be experienced.
>>97963485West Marches is shit, and so is D&D. And you've not said a single word to convince me they aren't.
>>97963485>"You're conflicted!"No. Believe it or not, not consuming shit comes naturally to most people.
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>>97963374No, I'm experiencing pure WEG Star Wars because I'm not a fag.
>>97963485You sound like a drug dealer peddling pot to a middle-schooler.
>>97963374>everyone should like what I likeFuck off.
"West marches" type games are awesome, at least in theory. They are essentially offline MMOs. Imagine coming back to the game after a period of inactivity and catching up with all the news, seeing the map change as wars are fought and the players take part in it as mercenaries. Theres always so much to do. In practice they always break down due to drama
>>97963679In practice it breaks down because I don't give a shit what 20-100+ other people are doing. The 3-4 people in my own party are enough already.
>>97963400There's no such thing as a good DM.
After struggling with 5e and learning important lessons about rpg theory and structure, the most fun I've had has been during the year old campaign I've run to date. I have a pool of players around ten and those participate that can make it. The most active players get to enjoy it the most. The sense of earning stuff has won the 'anything goes' fantasy. It's both grounded, but also super strange. Never know what you'll find.To me running a living world is a creative, escapist and social endeavor which has made life meaningful and bearable during uncertainty and catastrophic times of youth unemployment.In the future I'll try to learn how to play simple tt war games with my friends who also have not yet played tabletop. I'd also hope to produce something truly sublime before I die.
>>97963679>They are essentially offline MMOsThat doesn't sound awesome at all. I've never wanted to play an MMO.
>>97963485I decide how the games I run are meant to be experienced, though, and my players decide what kind of an experience is worth making time for.
>>97963790If you're still playing 5e, you haven't "learned" anything.
>>97963482no NPCs? what do the players fight?
Just out of curiosity I searched for open westmarches games on Roll20 last year and the first thing that came up was an unironic gay furry ERP campaign.
>>97963374so the campaign continues as long as the DM is alive?
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>>97963374>1:1 timekeeping schizo shitGary Gygax, after he ran out of coke money, admitted that much of what he wrote and said about RPGs was a bunch of bullshit and that you should just have fun with your friends.
>>97963374>with as many players and DMs to a world as possibleToo many cooks spoils the broth. A tight-knit group running numerous adventures in the same setting, occasionally bumping into characters from previous adventures or characters who will later be PCs in subsequent adventures, is a far superior option. This requires neither rails nor quantum beasties, merely commitment to consequences and seeing how they play out.
>>97963807The danger with Nogames trying to shill a type of game is that they very often turn into Do Anything fantasies. As you said, MMOs suck ass but to somebody that’s never played one they seem like a “you can do anything!” Game.
>>97963485You will experience almost nothing in life in "the way it was meant to be experienced", as most things undergo some degree of evolution over time. You've never experienced a car the way Henry Ford meant for you to, your experience of travel bears little to no similarity to what the Wright brothers meant for it to be, and Babbage could not even have conceptualized of the smartphone.
>>97963986forgot to mention OSR system neutral modules filled hexcrawl and my own system, as they are too obvious for me.
>>97963374>Everyone should be striving to run a west marches game,What if I want to play something else?Every table should be exactly what the GM and players want it to be. There is no "right" answer. That we're all different is what makes it such a vibrant and worthwhile hobby. You might even say... diversity is our strength.
>>97963986It's two editions old and yet still true.
>>97964141If one of my friends asks me to go on a road trip in an old beater car that's barely running and has no air conditioning, I'm going to say FUCK NO.
>>97964246Bruh. Always say yes to road trips. The difficulties make it even more fun. Go have an adventure.
>>97964246Imagine being this much of a joyless cunt.
>>97963737>In practice it breaks down because I don't give a shit what 20-100+ other people are doing.Then in practice your games break down because you don't give a shit about the world and what anyone is doing.
>>97964140>There is no "right" answer.is ironically the wrong answer, you wont actually get good at this craft if you're just willy nilly about it all
>>97963374West Marches are steaming hot dogshit that die instantly. I'd know, I played in one. It lasted like a month and my group got fuck and all done in that time.>Pure D&DOf course I'm not, I don't run or play any edition of D&Dogshit, especially T(ranS)R(etardation)
>>97964475Imagine getting stranded because your friend is a retard who refuses to get a reliable vehicle despite having the means to do so. That's what D&D players are like.
>>97964246this motherfucker is not ride or die.
So this is the continuation of the sandbox troll threads, isn't it?Some guy will make a string of several one sentence nuh-uh replies posted a minute apart.
>>97963400>DMIs there any faster way to determine that someone is a retard? >>97963374Gygax was correct regarding timekeeping and its importance, as time and its passage determine so much of what happens in the world and what makes sense to the characters within it, informing the actions and contexts. But>Everyone should be striving to run a west marches game>as many players and DMs [...] as possible>DMs>implying that "pure D&D" is desirable and that the opposite of "pure D&D" is contemptible by comparing it to railroads and quantum ogresYou're a fucking mongoloid.
>>97964141and yet, the road trip would still be more fun if you had a car that actually functioned the way you want it to. without having to be fixed by the customers who paid for it.
>>97966537yeah, you're a retard if you do anything asked of you.
>>97963400>Takes DMing advice from a coke-addled whoreson who was renowned for being bad at running anything but dungeons.
>>97968315>Is there any faster way to determine that someone is a retard? Someone who whines about something that means the same thing as a GM.
>>97968315I mean, hating D&D outs you pretty quick..
>>97972821Nah. Being the guy who seethes every time someone speaks off of the world's most overrated roleplaying game is worse. Do you like... expect people to respect you or offer you some kind of digital pat on the back for defending D&D?
>>97973191If you feel inclined to say something ill everytime a subject comes up you're pretty sick.
>>97977508It is good to speak ill, of that which is ill, and it is ill to speak well, of that which is ill also.
>>97963374Take your own advice OP, run AD&D 1E rules as written for a year.
>>97973191Reminder that T(ranS)Retardation and OSR are also D&D and are also dogshit.
