This thread is primarily containment for arguments about how the /osrg/ define OSR and that it excludes OSR games for the anons who can't help themselves. but other arguments ttrpg ralated are welcome as well.>the /osrg/ hijackinghttps://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96775865/#q96778252>previous threads>>97932852>>97954917
Another fishfag thread for his special brand of alt-history and samefagging. I guess some people are masochists.Anyways, 5th edition D&D up through 7th edition, which is not out yet, are OSR.
Should TSR games be considered OSR?
>>97965027I think only Mekton is OSR, honestly. Maybe Bubblegum Crisis, if we're stretching things.
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>>97965040Joking aside, someone in the ToDD thread made the claim they arnt OSR. So figured it belonged here.
>>97965054God, it's so fucking obvious how mad it makes you that anons can recognize you. I hope you realize you'll never live this nickname down.
>>97964813>https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96775865/#q96778252lol at repliesconsensus my ass
>>97965138lol at endless samefagging.
>>97965059Oh, that's the old hair-splitting thing over nomenclature, rather than a true discussion over old-school merits. Some people like to argue that the OSR by definition is an offshoot of old-school games, rather than old-school games themselves. It's more idle classification chat than any serious debate.For myself, the OSR was created to provide new support for old-school game engines that already existed, rather than to create new games; the new games thing came about because creating "new" game engines (which were just old ones with the serial numbers filed off for legality reasons) was originally the best way to do that. Only slightly later did it turn into "I'm making my own game and doing things entirely my own way".As such, I see the split as artificial, though I can get where people in support of it are coming from on it. But either way, it's not an important issue.Also, lol at fishfag screaming about hijacking.
>>97965234>Also, lol at fishfag screaming about hijacking.is it wrong tho? the osrg was changed to explicitly bar 2e discussion.also your boyfriend fishfag isn't real.
>>97965250Hi fishfag
>>97965263Hi fishfag
Is this fishfag among us?
>>97965341NTA but both sides call the other fishfag and cliam every single post is one person
>>97965366No, it's pretty clearly one guy who samefags a lot, but they all have the same idiosyncratic and retarded opinions, bad spelling mistakes, and schizo catchphrases like ACKshill and trollcow and so on, so he's easy to spot. He tries to muddy the waters by claiming he doesn't exist, which has a similar effect to pic related.Anyways, I'm sure you, as a completely separate poster, will agree.
>>97965412The only "opinions" which seems to make some magically fishfag is pointing out 2e is OSR and that the echo chamber is trying to change history to match Thier weird views
>>97965466See, this is easy. Hi fishfag.
New psyops tactic, preemptively say that you are the fishfag, I'll go first: I'm the fishfag!
>>97964813The "martial" vs caster debate has been going on for over 20 years, and not for lack of trying.You aren't going to curb anything by making a couple threads, but I admire your balls.
I AM SPARTACUS
>>97964813I personally want to broaden the OSR to include all games from before 2000, it could really highlight other classic games.
>>97965495Howdy fishfag
>>97965671The OSR isn't just a club for random old games, where even "old" is just an arbitrary, pretty-number date. "All games from the mid-70s to 1999" is pretty much everything under the sun in terms of mechanics, play goals, tone, and setting. That's barely more meaningful as a category than "RPGs".
>>97965689Which is why I want to expand the term, because the more those old games get highlighted the better.
>>97965581I'm Fishfag!
>>97964813fishfag eats diarrhea
>>97966227A timestamp was asked for and provided. What's the goalpost shift now?
>>97966316there was never a shift, youre just a redditor newfag that doesnt know what a timestamp means on 4chan.
>>97966326 Wait, I thought I was long time poster "fishfag" faking how I type? Gods you are a dense motherfucker Also Google "verification post on 4 chan" you will get just what I did, as it's been called that for decades son.
>>97966316>STILL doesnt know what a timestamp is.oh sweet summer child.>>97966358>you will get just what I didadmits needing to google basic 4chan termsoh baby newfag, its okay. youll fit in one day
>>97966387So this is your new goalpost shift huh son. Kinda a weak one.
>>97966406>youre moving the goalposts!I asked for the same thing the whole time, youre the one who needed google to help you, redditor newfag
>>97966493No, you asked for a timestamp and were given it. Then you cashed for a verification post using the wrong term. I even googled it to make sure I used the correct term, which I did.Now you have shifted arguments and it's clear you are wrong but can't just say that as that requires being a man and all
>>97966547>verification post using the wrong termno, redditor, youre the moron who doesnt know what words mean here.please go back to where youre from
>>97966547>literal newfag doesnt know what basic things mean>is befuddled when called out for his ignoranceyikes, not a good look there, "jethro"
>>97966557Yet, according to 4 chan itself that is called a verification post. Just like it's been called for like 2 fucking decades or more. That didn't start on reddit son.But you have indeed shifted the goalpost.
Sorry y'all, I forgot which thread I was in. Will redirect this troll motherfucker to the /todd/ thread
Guys, guys, it's cool.I'm down here in the ACKS Chud Obenbunker and I've had the discord hacker SS backtrace his info through the intertubes and he's totally in Hillbilly Bumfuck, Texarkana (The one on the Tex side of the border, not the other one)Here's a time stamped photo of the HQ to prove I'm here.Clearly we can all move on now we've seen this verifiable and factual evidence which not a single, rational person could possibly doubt.
>>97966675i kneel, mein fuhrer
>>97966675Finally, the proof of ACKS shills that he's been so desperately looking for. It's even timestamped.Checkmate gaythesists.
I will never understand how folks like ACKs. It seems an over complicated meds.
>>97966865It's a mix of being groomed into it, sunkcost fallacy, being lied to by people with an agenda, political motivations, and generally being stupid and having shit taste.It's hardly the most extreme cult out there.
>>97967270This is a strawman fallacy btw
is there any stuff i should add to the op if a 4th OSR Throwdown thread is needed?
>>97967415Humm maybe a thread question.
>>97965250No, it wasn't changed. 2e was never allowed. There was just one faggot constantly trying to quibble the wording of OP to act like it was and force it into the thread, so the wording of OP was fixed so that he would no longer be able to pull that bullshit. That's all. This was doen with the entire consensus of the whole thread.
Here is a question, what about 1e mechanicly is better than 2e? They are basically the same system, but 2e has a lot of minor changes. So what about the 1e system is mechanically better. Not looking for playstyle stuff here. Just the system
>>97966865>an over complicated medsESL retards wont ever understand, sadly>>97967055talk about the game instead>>97967383>person equates two things>gets called on itUHOH THIS IS LIKE A HECKIN FALLACY
>>97967887Not my issue you don't know what a logical fallacy is son.
>>97967947You are just gonna keep lying. I showed you were it was called verification. You saw that and ignored it. You highlighted were it described verification though.
>>97967887this should help you
>>97967961off-topic, kill yourself, son
>>97967992NTA but you can't help this troll. Strawman fallacies are mong his favorite ones though.
>>97964813>So mad about acks they have to make a thread about how much they dislike another thread Endless entertainment.
>>97967992whoa, holy reddit, thanks!>retard thinks youre a flat earther if you dislike 2elol>>97968009>mongthats just you, actually.
>>97968017Once more you altered what was said to make an argument I never made then attacked your own made up argument This son, is a strawman fallacy
>>97968028>you altered what was saidprove it. provide a direct post link or sceenshot itt
>>97968040Oh fuck off you you stupid dog fucking troll
>>97967448>2e was never allowedYour lies are boring.
>>97968695Maybe to a brainless retard who can't read
>>97968703So you find your own lies boring. Why keep lying then?
>>97967534>what about 1e mechanicly is better than 2e?Random prostitute table.
>>97968782Best random prostitute table of any game
>>97968757No you.
>>97968757Why are you so mean and angry in every single reply?
>>97970160Because he is a bot. Whenever you see those very familiar replies, it's not from an actual poster from a chatbot designed to harass the website
>>97968782That's not mechanical, that is just a random table
3 system wars threads, 0 gaming, 0 gameable content. Is this the power of the OSR?
>>97972494At lest one has people trying to talk as the trolls shit up the thread
>>97965025Fpbp
>>97970160My single reply was neither mean nor angry. Why aren't you asking the angry guy to whom I replied? Is it because it's you so you already know why you're mean and angry?
>>97965025My favorite OSR game is candyland. The randomization of the hex crawl mechanics makes it a really challenging, lethal game.
>>97967448>No, it wasn't changed. 2e was never allowed.Nah bro, it was changed. 2e was allowed from the earliest /osrg/ days until quite recently with the non-consensus "consensus".
Eh let the weird guys have osrg they need a safe space echo chamber. We can just make OSR threads ya know
>>97973790Cool, but there's nothing you can do about it except bitching and whining like you already are, so what exactly is the problem?
>>97973814Wow, you finally learned a fucking lesson here? So you're going to stay away from us and stay to your own little echo chambers where 2e is on topic, instead of bothering /osrg/
>>97975741Once more son, not that guy. I have told you this many times but reality does not matter to you. The conspiracy is too deep.I don't go to your safe space echo chamber.
>>97973814Its fine as long as they actually stay in it.
>>97973790nah, if you actualy go read the threads as whole pieces and if you were actually there, it often comes up that neither 2nd ed or C7c really have the osr playstyle. Its a frequent note.
>>97975792double nah, the only people who think that are the K&KA trolls who just keep trying to define the "osr playstyle" as "not 2e."
>>97975792NTA, but you don't mean OSR playstyle. You mean Gygaxian playstyle. Those are not the same. C&C and 2e are OSR, they are not by default Gygaxian, but can indeed run that playstyle.
>>97975807>Gygaxian playstyle isn't the same as OSR playstyleAnd yet every time anyone asks someone to define OSR without it being "Basically a Gygaxian sandbox" you end up with "OSR is just a vibe, I came in a sock once and called it OSR."Give a solid alternative definition and maybe people will consider your opinion.
>>97975956No, they can tell you but you don't like it. Because it includes everything pre 3e and this doesn't work for you
>>97975983>it includes everything pre 3eWrong and retarded
2e is OSR, how is this a debate? It's identical to 1e, just with some extra optional rules
>>97976117You can always tell someone who never played 1st ed by their saying it's identical to 2nd. I mean, no company releases a new edition but keeps it the same as the old one, even Chaosium, but it's extra-obvious when you're dealing with 2nd ed fanboys.
>>97975983>My definition of fruit is that a fruit is a thing I call a fruit, this includes apples, oranges, strawberries and potatoes.>Why do you keep telling me my definition is retarded? What do you mean by circular reasoning?
>>97976117Thank Grognards.Grognards are defined by hating change and being prickly bastards who cling to the past. And, the OSR inherently would attract grognards, because even at its most basic level you have to have some appreciation for the past.At the lowest level, you've got just pre-3e Grognards, who are more bitter about 3e than they are just appreciative of older games.But, if they eat too many rare candies, they turn into pre-2e Grognards, or Grogballs. And, if you expose a Grogball to a shit stone, it will evolve into the pre-2e, strict adherence to the rules (that they agree with), imaginary-version-of-gygax-worshiping Grogtesticles.
>>97976145>no company releases a new edition but keeps it the same as the old oneLol
>>97976097You can lie but everyone outside of your echo chamber knows you lie
>>97976151You are a troll who is either just lying or you are actually ignorant of what OSR is.
