Is there even any reason for humans and giants to come into conflict? Giants have as much cause to war with humans as humanity has to go to war with pixies. It just doesn't happen, they're beneath notice.
>>97968420Giants are not human and thus should be slaughtered
giant's coming-of-age rite is to swallow a manling whole
>>97968432>Giants are not humanNeither are angels, will you go to war with God?
>>97968420Cringe fetish shit>>97968432Even cringier fetish shit
>>97968439Yes.
Really depends on the size of giants. Your jack beanstalk and or BFG giants are so big they either ignore people or eat them like potato chips with bones. Then you have Skyrim giants which are big enough to be a hassle to your caravener and require snuffing out to keep them from fucking your human way of life, I like these because theyre a great size for a warrior to face off against using brains and agility to beat the naturally much stronger giant. Then you have giants in some rpg fantasies that are very much based on their environment, sea giants that swim with trident and nets killing whales and sharks, or swamp giants like even bigger swamp Ogres, sky giants that live in the clouds and have societies, storm, desert, fire, hill etc these are usually bigger than skyrim giants but not like your fairy tale, and they are perfect for groups of 5 to 12 men to pull together to pin them down whether to kill or capture. I like those the most because they make for great dungeon type bosses like a dragon or a hydra. Different variation for each environment youre in
>>97968451Cringe.
>>97968450>>97968454Subhuman goblinoid fingers typed these posts. The extinction of your species is inevitable
>>97968459Every time someone tries to portray a war against heaven as a good thing it's always gay and retarded
>>97968420I think you might actually be functionally retarded or something
>>97968420Took me a hot minute to realize those arent demon bat like wings on the giant, that theyre the wings of a dragon shes wrassling.
>>97968459HFY is gay and they haven't made a good anime since the early 00s, sorry
>>97968420Well anon if the three can get along that well than why not make a faction that consists of Humans, Giants, and Inchlings? The inchlings could live inside the bloodstream of giants like it's Bowser's Inside Story. And are otherwise invisible to the giants so they need humans to mediate between them. Doesn't that sound neato?No, that sounds stupid.
>>97968420Rats sure as fuck aren't beneath human notice just because they're small.
>>97968420It really depends on what the giants and humans in your setting are like, and if their respective typical behaviors can accommodate the other sideif the giants cause too much trouble to humans (eating humans, stealing their livestock, etc) then this will naturally result in conflict as locals work together to get rid of themsometimes giants are generally more benign, such as TES Skyrim where IIRC they largely just keep to themselves herding mammoths, but even then humans need to deal with the occasional troublemaker attacking passing travellers or whatever, or outright culling local populations if they get too numerous and risk making problemseven those more benign herder types could be particularly problematic in an agrarian human society where the humans require large amounts of farmland to grow their food, as giants driving their livestock through the area (particularly in large numbers and/or of large sizes like skyrim's mammoths) would absolutely destroy any crops in their way; the ideal solution would probably be for the humans to leave parts uncultivated so that the giants have routes to pass through without harm, but that still depends on them actually sticking to the routes, which depends on if they even understand their purpose or can distinguish them from all the neighboring fields, which in turn depends on both their ability to communicate with humans and understand human society
>>97970168to add: I described the issue of giants causing too much trouble to humans, but the inverse naturally applies too, as giants would also likely decide to kill/drive out local humans if they feel similarly encroached upon for whatever reasoneven if humans and giants generally avoid interfering with one another, humans killing troublemaker giants (or giants killing troublemaker humans) could unwittingly start a feud with their family/community who either don't realize there was a legitimate reason, or just don't care
>>97968472It's not war with Heaven that's good. It's humanity's complete and utter domination of all lesser forms of life which is good.
Anything that is stronger than humans must be destroyed by humans because someday they might decide they want to kill humans or ally with their enemies.
>>97971052Shalom!>>97968472Imo, the only good way to portray a war against Heaven (and Hell) is a war of liberation.Whereas the forces of Hell simply seek to destroy all of Creation, the forces of Heaven seek to maintain their grip on it.Thus, to rebel against Heaven is to rebel against destiny, against being unwitting pawns in the gods' plans.tl;dr telling Heaven to go fuck itself with their divine plan bollocks isn't gay.
>>97971257The Forces of Hell already control the world though, and the whole reason why Heaven hasn't attacked is simply "because we believe even evil people deserve a chance", so the entire thing is moot.Hell doesn't seek the destruction of creation (because if they did, they'd be destroying themselves which goes against their own nature) and Heaven doesn't seek domination (because if they did, that would be authoritarianism and Heaven doesn't want slaves but wilful participants).>>97970732You also cannot destroy or attack heaven because the place is quite literally infinite. Every time you think you get closer to the Kingdom of God, you end up walking backwards and backwards because it is quite literally without end.Even if you somehow made a technology that would allow you to "skip distances"; you would soon realize your own definition of distance is wholly inadequate.And then there is the problem itself that getting in contact with the divine, while having unwholesome intentions, will just destroy you.Or the fact that the only thing holding you together is quite literally God saying "I am holding you together, evil and all, using my own essence, because I love you. Even if you hate me". God "destroying you" then is not God sending a fire ball. In that situation it's quite literally saying "Alright. I'm taking away your toys" i.eGod removes your knowledge (because it belongs to Him) your violence (because it belongs to Him also) your time (because it belongs to Him) and even your will (because the will He gave you, also belongs to Him).In other words, if you want to "destroy" the divine you're going to have to destroy yourself first and become a demon.But then if you become a demon? The irony is that demons belong to God also.To kill God or Heaven is not like an ant killing a soldier. It would be more like "Humanity commits suicide because reasons. And then God brings them back to life anyway because He loves them."tl;dr I'm a Priest.
>>97968420>Giants have as much cause to war with humans as humanity has to go to war with pixies.>It just doesn't happenSays you, human-pixie warfare is fucking nightmarish. Can you imagine swarms of tiny pixies, clouds of millions of little sadistic fucks dense and wide enough to cover the sun, gathering to utterly ruin a city to its very foundations, leaving no thing alive? The chiming of the bells choked by the deafening buzz of billions of wings, and the only thing louder than that nightmarish song is the impish laugh of the little fairy motherfuckers thinking about what they are going to do to you all? And all of that, just because someone went into the forest and chopped a sacred tree, utterly indistinguishable from the rest, to make kindling for winter?Fucking pixies.
>>97968450>The nigga has a fetish for JonTron and giants
>>97968472True>>97968522The HFY community never made an anime....
>>97968420It might sound strange what I'm about to say, but in real life giants existed and we wiped them out.
>>97972207/thread
>>97968420Ever read Leiningen Versus the Ants?
>>97972135Cope. Heavens and hells will be purged of the inhuman xenos dwelling there.
>>97972599Anon. We're made in the image of God.God is a human.
>>97972135>I'm a PriestWhat are you doing on this unholy site?
>>97972605But to be fair, humans killing humans for being the "wrong" kind of human is the most human shit imaginable.
>>97972617I like Warhammer 40k and collecting my converted Chaos Space Marines (I replaced the signs of Chaos with the cross).
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>>97968420I know this thread is more for giantesses, but seeing this horse made me think. Are horses and by extension the power of cavalry disappearing in fantasy? Like we all know how iconic an armored knight on his steed is to the traditional medieval aesthetic. I can't think of the last game in the past decade I've played that made use of riding mounts in open fields. Usually it's either taken place in either a dungeon or a more urban setting, neither of which benefit from a mount. And most media I've seen lately has put more priority on magic or special powers over traditional jousting on horses.And even then, even if the terrain conditions did line up. And you were in an open and even field. What benefits would a horse have against a firebreathing dragon that can fly faster than you can gallop? Or against a giant that would only love for something larger to more easily hit, like a horse. You would be better off using a bow and taking cover either behind a tree or digging a trench.Like here's a size comparison for scale just to show how uphill of a battle he'd have.
>>97972135>Hell doesn't seek the destruction of creation (because if they did, they'd be destroying themselves which goes against their own nature)>Heaven doesn't seek domination (because if they did, that would be authoritarianism and Heaven doesn't want slaves but wilful participants)True, however, if there is to be a war with Heaven, there has to be a reason for it.The Divine Plan™ with it's apocalypse scenario, and humans trying to avert that particular disaster by getting rid of both sides is a good reason.Otherwise, like you pointed out for other anon, it just doesn't quite work.>You also cannot destroy or attack heaven because the place is quite literally infinite.Counterpoint, sorta: what if instead you remove it's influence on Earth?You can't kill the Heaven, but you can kill it's emissaries on Earth.Same goes for the equally-infinite Hell. Maybe play both sides against each other to keep them weak.The goal could shift from destruction to isolation, where humanity builds a "spiritual firewall" to block off both.…and then does something with all the souls that were denied afterlife by that act. Eldar-like VR afterlife, anyone?Mind you, it will lead to the death of humanity as we know it, but, perhaps, humanity could find an answer in it's own creations.Something like merging human minds with AIs, synthetic bodies, and so on to "replace" big G's gifts.Though, I do realize that, like demons are a crude mockery of God's creation, neo-humans could be such as well.Would be even more ironic if, through technological and scientific bullshit, humanity returned to the moment of creation to carve off a little piece for themselves.…thus creating the Hell humanity will fight one day, and successfully seal off. Best laid-out plans of men and machines…
>>97974190None of that sounds like a good idea unless you wanted humanity as some weird evil entity.
>>97968420Giants grow big vegetables and the humans want to eat them.
>>97973996Cavalry is for war, not monster-slaying. St. George isn’t typically depicted killing the dragon while mounted, Sigurð does it from a ditch, and Beowulf doesn’t even know what a horse is.
>>97968420Traditional games?
>>97973996I think that >>97975173 makes a good point, but also I would add that it's very hard to make cavalry fun and cool in tabletop games. In D&D and Pathfinder, horseback combat basically just gives you a speed bonus (and a trample modifier if you're lucky). It's hard to capture the elements of cavalry warfare which makes it so effective and iconic.
>>97974200>implyingthe world is run by an *elected* pedophilic caballike what more do you need
>>97975428>In D&D and Pathfinder, horseback combat basically just gives you a speed bonus (and a trample modifier if you're lucky)Huh, I didn't know that. I always assumed most systems had something basic like this. Sorry I've only played DnD and Pathfinder like twice, and the later was over a decade ago.
I think giants would get along very well with humans. Their stuff is worth a lot by human standards. A day of food for a giant would be worth a lot of human coins. And a giant could then trade those human coins for something like hiring their own person human bard to serenade them or save up for magic items that work for any size person. Giants could do menial labor and get loads of money due to how productive they are by human standards. I see no reason for giants to go to war with people who will do basically anything they ask for their pocket change.On the other hand, I *could* see the humans picking a fight - they have a lot more motive. Don't want giants taking all their jobs, or maybe they want to raid the giants for their valuables and supplies. However, while they have the motive, a difference in power could make them too hesitant to start anything, unless they have powerful mages or large armies or something that they're ready to expend.I wouldn't say humans are beneath the notice of giants, but I think they aren't worth fighting from the giant's perspective.
>>97968420Most people don't actually like headpats thus the big ones shall be exterminated.
>>97968420Resources.Giants are extremely large creatures.Conventional wisdom suggests that such a massive being would require tremendous amounts of food to sustain themselves.>Inb4 acktually my homebrew giants don't work like that!These are fictional creatures, of course you could stipulate whatever you need to make my point erroneous.>They are magic and actually eat less than expected.>They're actually spirits and don't eat at all.>They spend 99% of their time hibernating under a mountain.But such aimless qurrelling would go against the spirit of the thread.
>>97976276So what kind of food do you think a giant and a human would reasonably fight over? Most of the crops humans grow are too small for a giant to even pick up and haul away. And for similar reasons a lot of game that humans hunt like deer would probably not be worth the energy spent trying to nab em.Conversely, I imagine humans would love to eat giant crops that giants could grow, if such things existed that is. One giant carrot could feed a full human family for atleast a week. Though a lot of the game that a giant would hunt would be well beyond what an average human could reasonably hunt.
>>97976619Fish come to mind immediately. A giant could handle a way bigger net than a human, even if humans made it so fish didn't slip through holes.Livestock of various kinds also come to mind. A full grown pig or cow might be to giants as a single chicken is to a human, something you could polish off in a one or two days, but meat for a day or two is still not an insignificant amount of food.
depends on the scale
>>97976993I think that livestock sediment greatly depends on the size of the giant in question. The one in OP's pic seems so big that a cow wouldn't be that much. Even the Skyrim kind like >>97968452 are still big enough to where they'd have to be starving to considser raiding a human settlement for cows.
>>97968420>Is there even any reason for humans and giants to come into conflict?Demographics and pest control to some extent. If giants are closer to "irl giant height", and only about 15ft tall maybe 20ft maximum, then you could potentially have a resource crunch and an outbreeding issue: humans barely go up to your knee, live a quarter of your life, but they reproduce way faster, are just as intelligent, and can crossbreed with your kind. These are all ingredients for extinction. More humans making more use of less land, breeding out sluggish and inefficient giants. Supposedly, our Cro-Magnon progenitors were able to eventually exterminate Neanderthals due to a similar seemingly benign combination of traits: we required around 300-400 less calories than Neanderthals, we reproduced way faster than them, we traveled a lot more, and Male Neanderthal + Female Cro-Magnon hybrids were fertile, so we just demographic'd them to death. I'd like to think HALFLINGS are the secret sleeper threat to fantasy humans for those exact reasons + a higher social sphere + better agricultural development civ perk. If giants are literal titans/colossis/empyrean sized "+30ft tall" then it could just be as simple as: >>97968686 >>97975089Nothing complicated: you have humans infesting your fields, orchards, and vegetable garden, they call it the "dire lands". Ridiculous.
In damn near all depictions, giants are AT BEST neutral but retarded, animal-like oafs that will react to anything they find unpleasant with violence. Add to that "they don't know their own strength" shit, (eg giant sees a human for the first time and curiously picks it up, ends up maiming or killing it) and general clumsiness (Whoops! Giant stepped on your house!) and they're just a very dangerous pest that provides no benefit. In most other depictions, you can add natural inclination to violence, a more brutish, thuggish nature, or an allegiance to a dark power, or just typical savage "bully anything smaller" mindset.
