>>97973529
>What flavor of the cohorts faggus are you interested in running?
Pistachio.

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>>97973529
popuko and pipimi themed twin castellax w/ totoro thanatar

Are chainblade bayonets worth it on a blob of IH Inductii? Makes a 20-man blob 220 points.

Man GW really needed to be less of a faggot and offered 4 castellax per box like ogryn and saturnine, I'm trying to help a player booted up with mechanicum but his options for what are his desired main troop choice that he needs like 20 of are an 80 buck box of 2 or start spooling up the cancer machine, and my cancer machine is already occupied with the artillery I need for my militia

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>>97974209
Clearly, the solution is five hundred Combat Force boxes.

>>97972435
It makes it look worse, more disks really? The hip disk would get in the way when you add nades and wargear.

>>97974209
The prices in general need to come down, yeah. Buying individual kits was already an expensive prospect, but even the bundle boxes barely have any real value these days.

>>97974551
The prices will only ever go up if you buy from GW, due to price hikes and inflation making your purchasing power worse ever year due to central bank money printing.
If you want cheaper, 3d print or buy recasts. Fuck GW.

>>97973876
Bayonets are dogshit this edition because AP5 is useless and most of the shit you will be fighting with bayonets are 1W and thus unaffected by Shred. Spend your points on literally anything else.

>>97973529
Rate my Spoils of War/Weapons of Desperation Blackshield list

>Crusade Detachment - 1 325 pts
>3x Cataphractii Centurion w/ Thunder Hammer and Combi-Melta - 120 pts
>4x 15 man Despoiler Squad w/ 10 Shotguns, 5 Heavy Stubbers, Thunder Hammer, Vexilla and Nuncio-Vox - 185 pts
>Leviathan Dreadnought (Logistical Benefit) w/ Paired Siege Claws - 225 pts

>Apothecarion Delegation - 405 pts
>6x Apothecary w/ Shotgun - 30 pts
>Leviathan Dreadnought (Logistical Benefit) w/ Paired Siege Claws - 225 pts

>Tactical Support Detachment - 370 pts
>2x 15 man Despoiler Squad w/ 10 Shotguns, 5 Heavy Stubbers, Thunder Hammer, Vexilla and Nuncio-Vox - 185 pts

>Heavy Support Detachment - 225 pts
>Leviathan Dreadnought w/ Paired Siege Claws - 225 pts

>Heavy Support Detachment - 225 pts
>Leviathan Dreadnought w/ Paired Siege Claws - 225 pts

>Heavy Support Detachment - 225 pts
>Leviathan Dreadnought w/ Paired Siege Claws - 225 pts

>Heavy Support Detachment - 225 pts
>Leviathan Dreadnought w/ Paired Siege Claws - 225 pts

No need to care about objectives or shit like anti-tank, just have the dozen independent Despoiler + Leviathan combos roam the board with the Leviathan winning combats for the Despoilers (who get 2 VPs each time they do)

>>97974765
>Six fucking Leviathan dreadnoughts
I was about to call you a WAACfag but then I realised you're running Spoils of War.

Makes sense the Jewish Oath of the Moment would have its golems

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>>97973581
Even if it did, it'd take a lot of converting, plasticard and greenstuff to get it to work, since Spartan hull in general is wider and longer, and the superstructure comes higher than the proteus hull.

Truth be told, both fluff and design wise the proteus would've made a better base for the prometheus. The quad sponsons would've fitted the mounts and even with the front ramp, the proteus can be built with no hull guns. You could've even used it to create the land raider tartarus, which was suppose to be the non-command variant (make it the crusader of 30k). We all know the only reason spartan prometheus exists is because they had to put the laser destroyer sprue into the spartan kit and it came with the quad HBs as well, so James had to make use of them.

>>97970736
Honestly, having it be a Malcador with a dummy gun would be logical, WW2 command tanks often did that because it made it harder to pick them out.

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What's the appeal of the Salamanders?
Have faith Word Bearer I will only soon stop posting this

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>>97974847
Or put twin-lascannon on the turret and the pintle gun on the hull mount with some plating to cover the sponsons. Or if you want the demolisher, maybe convert the battle cannon into a stubby gun or keep it on the hull and replace the turret battle cannon with a big searchlight (pic related style).

>>97974861
Being le reddit wholesome chungus

>>97974861
They are a mix between the IH and RG. They like forging and experimenting but are also liberators.

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>>97974892
>replace the turret battle cannon with a big searchlight (pic related style).
Could even use the old FW model for bonus style points.

>>97974209
Your friend needs 20 castellax? Thats like 3000 points of castellax.

Was there bayonet rules in 1.0? I don't think so

>>97974913
Corax served the biggest slave master of them all, what a faggot hypocrite.

>>97975062
>What flavor of the cohorts faggus are you interested in running?

The only person Corax served was the Emperor, and the Emperor brought people peace and freedom from living outside of the Imperium of Mankind.

>>97975059
No, they were purely cosmetic and it should have stayed that way.

>>97975059
Tacs could take an extra ccw/chainblade which could represent, but not necessarily, a bayonet or chain bayonet. It was up to you how you modelled it if you even did and didn't just use the upgrade to show that they were better at melee than a regular tactical squad.

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>>97975150
Here's also a description for the upgrade which does also mention chainbayonets.

>>97975125
>>97975150
>>97975161
That makes sense. Chainswords were also a generic melee weapons IIRC back then.

>>97975241
Correct, same as combat blades.

>>97974765
this is the coolest fucking list I have ever seen

>>97974861
>loyalists (traitors are loser)
>green (green da best!)
>primarch alive (Vulkan lives!)
>emphasis on quality equipment and individual self-reliance

Looking back 3.0 and the redesigns really was what killed the game.
Femstodes were just the nail in the coffin.

>>97975458
3.0 is massively superior to 2.0, and if you’re playing custodes you’re not a fan of Warhammer or heresy in particular

>>97975458
custodes is such an odd release that feels like it was for corporate bean counting than anything

>could just release the book alongside the tanks and dreadnoughts
>no, we must make plastic infantry too despite that infantry already existing as a kit

>>97975458
Been playing more HH than ever, dunno what you mean by "killed the game"

Custodes should have never been a stand alone army to begin with.

you know I really like these new mechanicum rules, it really helps certain armies (militia and daemons) and allows bots to be more easily taken in marine and SA armies (i.e no need for a praevian or iron pattern cohort)

and the options they can take are really flavourful for the battle you want to pitch, you could do a 1500pt ZM game where all the bots have corrupted programming or malign influence, as the other player is invading a factory or warehouse making the things

>>97975519
It's weird, heresy 3.0 seems to have mostly cooled off in online spaces, but I've seen 10x more anecdotes that heresy picked up in people's local scene after 3.0 than the contrary
Usually more "normies" getting into a game means more online personalities, not less

>>97975685
It's not just HH, from what I see and hear a lot of people are going online much less often because of how polarised and hostile the internet has become. Especially for their hobbies, people do those for relaxation and escapism. Having somebody screech at you that you're wrong about everything and should kill yourself every time you're trying to share your enjoyment of your hobby makes people stop coming back to post real quick.

>>97975062
>the biggest slave master

Huge SlaverDave? he fucking didn't, he killed Huge SlaverDave during the Slavos-33 Purgation, then set all Huge SlaverDave's slaves free

>>97975719
Yeah. The launch of 3.0 was just telling people over and over what the game was actually like. Sucks because it turns every conversation about what’s cool in the edition into a lecture just disproving the nonsense

>>97974861
I love Salamanders. The unwillingness to yield in even impossible scenarios. Darker green scorched by flame. Artificers that respect their gear/equipment. The Assault on the Tempest Galleries. Need I say more?

>>97975685
To be honest, you can’t use the internet as a litmus for what’s popular and what’s not. For example, Magic the Gathering. The cube format is one of the best ways to play and yet you don’t do see any YouTube channels showing cube gameplay. The internet is also a toxic hell hole now a days and it’s harder to have discourse because every unhinged lunatic has a keyboard. I totally believe that Horus Heresy is doing just fine and is arguably bigger than it has ever been.

>>97975769
2.0 was a lot like that too

>>97974861
Kinda posterboys of 3.0 Great rules, good detachement, good prime, Best/broken primarch if you're into fielding one.
On top of that, Green/gold color scheme is great, a lot of unique master crafted items opens up a lot of freedom when converting.
A great legion to play, collect and paint. Just beware of powergaming as the legion can become Really and i mean REALLY oppressive if you start minmaxing. probably more than any other legions IMHO.

>>97975081
>>97975756
The Emperor is the biggest enslaver of mankind man, he is a monster. Fuck Corax.

>>97975685
If you don't have a manlet HH army you're basically a normie.

>>97975803
Your belief is wrong. The way 3.0 invalidated old models and armies has been awful. GW doesn't care about their core old time base anymore.

>>97975685
My anecdotal experience.
>2.0 drop
>Big fucking hype, everyone that was disenfranchised with WH40k due to 9th onward being shit joins in
>HH Golden era
>Yeah there were issues every one agreed, problem children like brutal, dreads, specific RoW but shit was good still
>3.0 drop
>A lot of people really upset with changes, mostly spurred by fear it was going to turn into a 40k situation again, IE legacies getting shelved over time (Still a possibility with sisters entire line getting shit canned basically)
>Big drop in our HH player base, i would say we lost about 50-60% of the player base
>3.0 slowly picked back up as more updates came out
>Most people in my group seem to agree 3.0 did some good things, but also some really bad things (Good: Flyers, blast, vehicles not being shit, psyker being good again ect, Bad: Challenge system, DS kicked in the taint, 4 turns, Plasma nerf to buff D guns which stuck, deads losing WS/BS 5, Custodes getting even more broken ect ect)
>Time moves on, at about 80% the player population of 2.0
Its cooled off for sure but people are still very leery of 3.0 because a big fear is its gonna turn into a 3 year cycle slop that 40k has become, which is a reasonable fear.

>>97975803
>I totally believe that Horus Heresy is doing just fine and is arguably bigger than it has ever been.
Fine? yes
Bigger then ever? no
2.0 still had a much bigger crowd, it had a lot more movement because it was very much filled with people who got burned by 8th onward, however 3.0 being launched 3 years post 2.0 gave a lot of people flashbacks of what happened in 8th.
Atop of that the leaks and the shitty way that legends was handled and how it was blatently obvious GW scrambled to add a bunch of entries into legends because odds are they were gonna squat a lot of options was clearly a bad move on their part.

>>97976111
I can’t and wont try to provide evidence to you that my belief is true or not. You certainly can’t and/or won’t provide evidence to prove you are right. The only thing you said is your opinion on why you think my belief is wrong based on your personal taste. So tongue my anus faggot.

>>97976164
It depends on your community. Have you paid attention to the amount of disparity between responses as far as editions go? Listen, I’m not even trying to defend 3.0 just talking heresy in general. I believe heresy is bigger than it was back in the day. This is through communities that play 3.0 with new players. Or 2.0 and 1.0 that picked up new players or players shifted. But I’m willing to safely bet that overall there’s been a steady trickle of players from outside GW and within that picked up and/or moved to heresy. Okay so there’s definitely room for critique with some new plastics. But it has made it more accessible. That helps it massively.

>>97976133
Yeah I think the best possible move GW can do is stick to 3.0, no new edition launch in 3 years. And keep adding to the game with the journals, those have been real nice so far.

>>97976211
I know there were whispers of GW switching everything to a 4 year churn now that they're internally considering TOW and HH as mainline games

>>97976211
I agree that it’s best. Do what they said they want to do for journal releases. Keep up with plastic kits. Then if they were smart, get player feedback before a new edition and incorporate what people loved from all three. Have a banger starter set with cool models, strong set of rules playtested, and really lean into flavor. Have all codexes available in paper and pdf maybe. There you go. Hire me GW.

>>97976241
Thoughts on 4 years? Is 5 too long?

>>97976241
Could believe that, anybody who isn't a hardcore competitive tournament player has been complaining about the break neck pace of changes in 40k and AoS for years now.

>>97976254
Whenever a new HH edition happens I hope they do some real minor tweaks at most, maybe even only incorporate the improvements from journals and errata. Don't think I'm the only one who is tired of the huge rules shake ups.

>>97976263
>Is 5 too long?
No? I don't quite get the need to make a whole new edition? Why not just keep improving the one you have?

>>97976241
No such thing as too long, if anything 4 and 5 are too short.

>>97976317
Sadly a new edition launch does seem to increase model sales for 40k and AoS. And GW is a publicly traded company, meaning the stock holders expect exponential profit growth each quarter.

>>97976203
>I believe heresy is bigger than it was back in the day.
if by back in the day you mean 1.0? yes its bigger, if you mean bigger then 2.0? nah i would say 2.0 was bigger becuse you had a lot of people flooding in because they were disenfranchised with wh40k, and the way 3.0 launched left a similar bad taste in a lot of peoples mouth as a result.

>>97976241
>>97976211
>>97976263
The best outcome is actually a 6 year cycle
Year 1: launch of new ed, let the new ed settle in and let people find out the issues and problems of it.
Year 2: drop big FAQ and balances across all factions, to remove and correct problem cases, and bing up stragglers
Year 3 start: Let changes simmer
Half way point of 3rd year: Put out a new FAQ/updated errata to deal with any fuckups and clarifications
Year 4 start: Drop edition.5 version of the game. Basically a reprint of the rulebook with all of the FAQs and Errtas included in it.

For years 4-6 just put out campaigns and chapter approved like content.

>>97976339
This is the very thing I allude to without saying it for people with above room temp IQ. They are publicly traded whether we like it or not. That comes at a cost. So unless one of you fucks wants to buy GW stock until you are majority shareholder and do a hostile takeover, then you don’t get a say in there business affairs.

>>97976357
GW should never have gone public with how niche the hobby is in my opinion.

>>97976370
Shoulda woulda coulda anon. Don’t dwell on it too long.

>>97976093
>literally a species called Enslavers
>hurr durr the emperor is the big slaver

shouldn't you be screenprinting glider tees for your shitty webstore you grifting insincere fuck

>>97976357
>buy GW stock
>271.50 USD
A bit pricey I'll wait for the collapse of the UK and buy the dip

So what's yall's opinion on how many infantry is too much before it's time to start buying vehicles?

>>97976752
"too much infantry" is a very theoretical problem. When you cant deploy them all?

But you probably want SOME vehicles, transports if nothing else. And theres some guns which you simply cant get on infantry models (the sort of guns with which you kill big tanks).

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>>97976752
No such thing as too much infantry

>>97976790
Holy based, even if it is AL.

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>White Scars in BL books
>Whoa cool and much more than originally thought
>Become an honest to god primarchfag for the khan
>Woah the forge world heresy books must be amazing since everyone loves those books
>Read them
>They turn the khan into Russ but more stoic
>also retarded
>White scar stuff in general kinda sucks

Kek you guys weren’t lying

>>97976836
DESU anon you will learn that the factions/characters that get the least amount of attention end up being the best ones because the people that DO give them attention do so with passion and general interest in the character/story.

This is not just applicable to Warhammer. To use a far more egregious example of this, in World of Warcraft, the best characters are the ones that get the least amount of attention.

>>97976790
I LOVE entire company parade ground pics

>>97976836
Book 8, which had the white scars, is where the black books start falling apart hard but it had at least some cool things like the daemon list. Book 9 is where the house fell down to the point that one of the warcom articles for 2.0 mentions "the 8 leather bound books".

>>97976836
>White Scars in BL books
Which ones? I never particularly cared for the White Scars and the black book about them was horrendously dull

>>97976790
Looks beautiful, even with those fuckugly land raiders (all land raiders are fuckugly)

>>97977724
Chris Wraight's novels:
Scars
Path to Heaven
Didn't read (=listened to audibook) them yet but they universally get praised in /hhg/.

>>97976339
This is true but over time they may realize that the rules of the edition also actually matter. 4th edition AoS seems to have been a fumble after the fact.

>got a big windfall lately
>just felt like buying more transports and a new dreadnought for a small WE force
first purchase since 3.0, hoping fourth edition will be good is as optimistic as I can get but it sure feels nice to buy some heresy minis after so long.

This is still an idle thought, but i want to make a Heresy-era Land Raider Terminus Ultra. Now, the easiest way would just use a Land Raider Carrier points value but turn it into an Armour choice, however that seems boring, so what do (You) think of this rule:
>Maximal Weapons Fire:
>Before making a shooting attack or volley attack, the player controlling this unit may declare Maximal Weapons Fire. Until the end of the phase, all Lascannons and Twin Lascannons gain +1 RS and +1 D, cumulative with the effects of the Heavy (X) special rule. However, all Lascannons and Twin Lascannons also gain the Overload (3) rule until the end of the phase.

>>97978224
No, don't be a faggot and use 40k style design where every datasheet needs its own special rule. Just make it a land raider with a twin lascannon and two lascannon arrays, maybe give it explodes 4+ if you really want to make it a ramshackle piece of shit like the cerberus, and leave it there. Less is more, especially for homebrew.

>>97976773
Am I really going to need anything bigger than meltas and lascannons for that though?

>>97978393
Anon, I've unloaded full las preds and LRs into rhinos without smokescreens and failed to kill them

>>97978393
YES.

Neither of those are suitable for killing things like spartans and land raiders and kratoses at any sort of reasonable speed outside of in truly ridiculous numbers. Lascannons are there to kill terminators, dreads, automata and AV<=13. Meltas are there to get a drop on something with rear armor "low" and explode it in one round. But if you want to kill a tank from a good way away round 1? You need either laser destroyers, a kratos with the melta fuck cannon or a superheavy or something.

The best infantry option for destroying vehicles (that isnt rapiers) is vet breachers, which need to get close but once there can destroy basically any tank in one round between shooting and melee.

>>97978567
The days of 10 man lascannon HSS as the golden standard for tankbusting are dead and gone.

>>97976752
>rolls up with my 5 earth shaker allied detachment bubble wrapped
No...there is no such thing as to many infantry, just odnt spread them out ok?

>>97976576
with what dollarboy

>>97978567
>But if you want to kill a tank from a good way away round 1? You need either laser destroyers, a kratos with the melta fuck cannon or a superheavy or something.
Nta, I think I'm fine with that. If someone pays big points for premium AV14, it would be unfun for it to go down in turn one. Unless the other person also pays premium for dedicated tank hunters.
>The best infantry option for destroying vehicles (that isnt rapiers) is vet breachers, which need to get close
High risk high reward. A single melta bomb is no longer what it used to be, but maybe every sergeant shouldn't be effective antiAV14. Now you need more than one melta bomb to even kill a Rhino.

Sorry Saboteurs. They'll have to be part of a concert effort now.

>>97978723
Yea, I dont think its bad how things are now. But it does mean "all infantry" leaves you tactically stunted in terms of "things you can do" unless you want to cling to laser destroyers for dear life (which ARE the most cost effective ranged AT in the game, I believe).

>>97978224
Keep it simple. Arm it with Lascannon array sponsons, give it 0 transport capacity. Say the "harms itself on a 1" is post heresy decay.
Or give it optional sabre / predator Neutron guns, which do hurt the shooter on a 1

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>>97978828
I mean, rapiers move 7" and can be in cover. Doesn't that count as infantry?

Has it ever been touched on what the MK1 Boltgun looked like?
Or should I go with the ones based off the Thunder Warriors with the plasma coils?
I have been looking at using the MK2 instead but I'm not sure.
All 3D printing btw.

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>>97978951
Actually just found this pic from Hammer and Bolter.
I think it was just an easter egg so whether this is what the MK1 boltgun canonically looked like it is up in the air.
Which means there are technically 4 different boltguns I can theoretically go with for this 3D printing project:
>Phobos
>NuPhobos
>plasma coil boltgun like the blanche artworks
>one based off the H&B easter egg if I can find it
Which one should I go with?

And which legion's rules is best for TW?

>>97979115
Hammer and Bolter isn't official canon.

>>97979161
Is this sarcasm or are you being serious?
>t. autist
If it genuinely isn't canon then which bolter pattern STLs should I start hunting for use?
I might hoard as much as I can find, but I'm just wondering which one in the opinion of various /hhg/ anons should I use for the final printed results.

>>97978393
Meltas can still do the job, if you bring enough of them. In melta range a 6 on the penetration roll does pen AV 14, and with the double damage you only need two of those for 12 damage total which will one-shot the most common heavy tanks.
Multi-melta HSS are actually quite scary now that they can move and shoot. Put them in a Rhino and point them at whatever you want to see evaporated.
But if you want infantry only you'll need to bring a couple of units that can crack vehicles, you can no longer rely on just the single lascannon HSS to destroy every and all vehicles in a game.

>>97979178
There was one episode about the Imperium attacking an Eldar craftworld which portrayed both sides very weird Think modern day US politics and iirc GW posted a tweet in response to the backlash along the lines of "Hammer and Bolter is semi-independently produced and not part of the official lore"
There's also large lore-breaking inconsistencies in other episodes, to the point that most lore channels on YT also don't consider it official lore.

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>>97979115
>>97978951
We don't even know what thunder warriors look like, as both these guys are "Space marine warrior (Visions)" or something. Anything you find in Visions, or half of anything drawn by Blanche, doesn't actually look like anything the Rivet Counters would accept as tabletop 30/40k

>>97979264
Thanks for clearing that up.
>>97979273
>doesn''t actually look like anything the Rivet Counters would accept as tabletop 30/40k
That's a bit weird as it is by Blanche so autists of that caliber may take Blanche's designs as something sacred with very little acceptance of deviation.
I think.

Anyways thank you as well.
I guess I'll just go with the STLs anyways and I'm thinking NuPhobos pattern bolter now.
Thanks anons!

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>>97979360
>That's a bit weird as it is by Blanche so autists of that caliber may take Blanche's designs as something sacred with very little acceptance of deviation.
Right up until Blanche's facts don't line up with their fiction.
>>97978951
>Has it ever been touched on what the MK1 Boltgun looked like?
Like the RT one. But then FW copies it the Umbra and made it a late-Crusade invention.

>>97979273
Id day the bolter on the bottom left guy looks like the mki bolter in this other pic >>97979390

>>97979390
the RTB01 Imperial Space Marines bolter was not the only bolter design in RT, nor was it the first bolter released

the first bolter released was either on an Ork or a Space Marine or an Adventurer in the C series, potentially the design carried by Brothers Stalker, Lustgarten, Dixon, Lestrade or Taylor (C100/RT01), though a lot of the C100s have been retconned to be holding disintegrator weapons (which didn't exist until the 30th anniversary marine in 2016)

however the gun carried by Space Orc with Blaster in 1987, which was at that time a bolter per the rules, might well be the first bolter ever sculpted and by the law of nostalgia, the design of the archaic pre-Crusade bolter

in common with the slighty more regularized and refined design of the RTB02 Ork bolters and the 1989 plastic Ork bolters, it resembles a cruder Phobos-style bolter, lacking even ironsights

>>97979553
>image literally has RT bolter identified as MkI bolter
I don't know what to tell you.

>>97979774
it's not the first bro, it's not even close to the first

the RTB01 plastics were released september 1987, the metals were already out by then (the C-series were over a year old)

and in fairness to your appalling graphic, that is not a "mkI boltgun" it is clearly labelled as "mkI Crusade pattern boltgun", but the Crusade doesn't begin until the early 700s M30, and the Unification Wars bolters that preceded the Crusade pattern are not depicted there

>>97979873
Whatever help you win an internet argument, reddit spacer.

>>97979390
Source on that image, please?

>>97979972
if you can't read without getting upset that's on you lil bro

>>97980004
Looks like a picture from the Index Astarte they once had in White Dwarf.

>>97980017
Alright.
I recall that the current edition of the HH core rulebook says that the MK2 boltgun was in the Unification Wars.
I think it was the late era.

>>97980004
This image is from the article "Space Marine Armour" in White Dwarf 129 (UK, 1990).
It was later reprinted in the Index Astartes: Apocrypha hardcover book (2016).

>>97980007
>anon ask for examples of MK1 bolter
>post image identified as Mk.I bolter
>redditor gets upset and starts sperging about models
Like getting mad that M1 wasn't the first rifle in US service.

>>97980024
I consider everything printed after 2000 as practicaly a fanfiction, unless it is a reprint of older materials from the 90s and 80s.

>>97980043
Anon, I know that in modern times names and tags are treated like some sugestion. But an MK1 bolter, is not the same as a MK1 Crusade bolter.

>>97976752
Mostly depends on what infantry you have? You could possibly get away with no vehicles if running a jump infantry list where everyone has 12" movement anyway, and unless you're playing against Auxilia most AV14 vehicles can't really harm massed infantry. Tons of AV13 vehicles can, but you can get away with lascannons against them.

>>97978393
No, but all of the methods of anti-AV14 in position requires you to bring vehicles except Rapiers. It's OK against AV14 and it hits hard enough that you can finish off a superheavy with lascannons, but it's frail enough that you need to bring 2 and that's what, 800pts for something you could do with 400pts of Vindicators/Kratos?

>>97978313
But that's exactly what the Vindicator's laser destroyer did in 1.0.

Any thoughts on the Command Tank leaks from last thread? The Dracosan looks tasty, but I feel like the Spartan costs too much for what it does.

>>97980338
I dunno, having a high command that's a spartan with even more hull points that doesn't have to rush forward does sound like a good way to deny Slay the Warlord. Its value could be in list building and in game utility, am tempted to actually try it.
But as the warcom article said, it's obviously mainly a unit designed to be played with the Tallarn missions, which are going to be all about tanks.

>>97980040
Got a link to those PDFs, please?

>>97976093
40kg is down the hall and to the left

>>97980593
fuck i'm drunk. i mean, haha okay Angron.

>>97980593
Angron rebelling against the Emperor for being just another High Rider >>> "the nails made me do it ablooobloobloo"

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>Land Speeders
>Javelins
>Sabre Tanks
>Outrider Bikes
>Scimitar Jetbikes

There are lots of fast things with guns on them. How do I determine what is right for me?

>>97980447
If the Spartan could take normal sponsons or didn't cost 420? Sure. But as it stands I could buy a Praetor for High Command benefits, buy a Centurion for 2 detachments and still have 200 points left over.
Shit, I could use the 2 ICs to babysit ranged units in the back and they would probably contribute more to the battle than the Spartan. And I dunno, surely most lists have some sort of melee unit the Praetor can join? I'm open to hearing it, but I'm really not convinced there's a scenario where I wouldn't just take 2 ICs instead.

>>97980818
This. If they wanted a tank HQ they could've made it an enhanced Sicaran / Predator like we had the past two editions. Or an HQ Kratos.
Or a Lord of War with MotL for 5k games, if you aren't a pussy :^)

Fuck, this is almost worse than getting nothing. It's getting the wrong thing.

>>97980817
They're all worse than a melta Kratos so just pick whichever one you like the look of most because they're all similar levels of mediocre and do mostly the same job. Calvalry got fucked over by removal of relentless, although the not being able to score is less of a problem than you'd expect because their fast movement and phatass bases means they can just move to block you from getting on the objective in the first place, assuming they don't just turbojail your scoring with a bottom of turn 1 charge like they did in my game vs them.

>>97975309
>WAACfagging Leviathan spam is the coolest list anon has seen
Holy fuck go back to 40kg

>>97980817
>Land Speeders
1. For when you don't actually want to move but HSS are too easy to shoot to death
2. Tactical Status monkey with heavy flamer/havoc launcher/graviton gun
3. Suicide meltas for when drop pod TSS are too mainstream
>Javelins
See point 1 for Land Speeder but tougher
>Sabre
Just take a Pred lmao
>Bikes
Take plasma guns and blast non-vehicles off the table with 2 shooting phases at 12"
>jetbikes
Just take Speeders lmao

>>97980628
does anyone other than twittards and 40kggots think about the former?

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>>97980986
I MEAN THE LATTER FUCKKK

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Fire Raptor cockpit, soon, I might be able to start working on the fuselage.

Has there ever been any releases of pre-made lists for specific theaters or battles? I bought and painted some Assault Marines forever ago, and am looking to maybe assemble a larger list going the full “historical” route.

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Sick
https://spruesandbrews.com/2026/05/02/battle-of-tallarn-part-1-review-and-solar-auxilia-ogryns-and-rapiers-unboxing-warhammer-the-horus-heresy/

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*Beep boop* fuck flesh bags

>>97981643
>>97981637
>>97981627
The pages have been posted in the last thread, anon...

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>>97981645
Thanks

Anyone seen a scan of mailed fist yet?

>>97981825
Few threads back.

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>mole mortar is 2 shots, S7 AP3 D2, heavy (D), barrage 1, always hits side armour of vehicles

what do anons think?

I am here to lament my lack of HH playing friends. Woe is me. I hope you're all having fun out there and actually playing games.

>>97982418
No blast? Barrage would hint at it being a blast weapon, but just want to be sure.
Sounds solid, barrage 1 on a MEQ killer with 2 dmg is scary.

>>97982548
I think the AP3 missiles on the tarantulas are also barrage with no blast

>>97982584
No, those have skyfire and rapid tracking. The tarantula missiles with barrage have AP 5 or something, and are large blasts.

>>97982548
Militia heavy quad launchers have barrage (0) and no blast, but having barrage (1) indicates it probably does have a blast that just wasn't mentioned

>>97982642
Huh, they do. How would that even work? Time to re-read the Barrage rule again I guess.
Man, Militia have so many interesting weapons.

>>97982720
It just means they can fire out of los, there's nothing in the barrage rule that says they only work for blast weapons, they just detail a ton of stuff for if a barrage weapon is blast. Doesn't even have an ACC penalty or anything
>Man, Militia have so many interesting weapons.
Because they were written by one based retard with a dream and no supervision most likely lol. The legacies stuff shows what 3rd could've been without GW moneypinchers leaning over their shoulders