Magic the Gathering: No UBThey Planeswalk Amogus EditionPreviously on...>>97930589This is a general for a version of Magic the Gathering that excludes 3rd party IPs, these cards are known as "Universes Beyond". This thread is not a duplicate of any other general, it is not a fork of any specific general. There is growing support for versions of Magic formats that exclude UB, for example Planar Standard. This general is the place for those discussionsThis general is as legitimate as D&D Old School Renaissance threads and it exists for similar reasons.Discussion of Magic the Gathering where no set or release that required 3rd party IP licensing can be mentioned. That includes Universes Beyond and Secret Lair.WARNING: There is a massive sperg from /edhg/ seething over the existence of threads he didn't personally make and it is highly likely that he is going to try to shit up these threads for a while.Ignore him and one day he will kill himself.The ONLY Magic sets this year:>Lorwyn Eclipsed, January 23 2026>Secrets of Strixhaven, April 24 2026>Reality Fracture, October 2 2026Thread Question:Recolors: cool as fuck or sanic fandom tier?
Reality Fracture leak from September last year for anyone who hasn't seen it. It is 100% confirmed as we have now seen the blue Chandra and white Liliana it predicted
White liliana
>>97975579They have quietly UW'd some UB cards already. Pic related is one. As long as there's no 3rd party IP, it's fair game.
>>97975620I want to say there are a couple in the latest Mystic Archive, too.
>>97975629This is the only one I could see just by scrolling and looking into any card I wasn't sure about. Former UB.If I wasn't so small-brain I could probably use the syntax on scryfall to filter for those cards but I don't care enough
>>97975596WTF IS THIS GAME JUST A FUCKING JOKE TO YOU WOTC?! ITS BAD PUNS JUST BAD PUNS AND SINGLE ENTRENDRE YOU SUCK!
>>97975612>>97975596Where did all of their breasts go? women have breasts wtf?
>>97975681I stole them all and replaced them with feet
>>97975567Brackets, or a drastically expanded banlist, should have happened years ago. Like, in 2011 when WotC first recognized the format.It was already evident that it was no longer tenable to treat the format as something exclusively kitchen table by 2012. It's just that Sheldon was a retard burying his head in the sand because he didn't want to actually put work into managing the format, as evidenced by how the banlist up until that point had been "cards that annoy me personally" with no real criteria or pattern, and updates to the banlist after 2011 came at an utterly glacial pace (save a spike in 2020 where most people were playing in online public games and caused the majority of the playerbase to face the same reality the RC was ignoring).If you want a shitty no/minimal banlist kitchen table format, that is the most straightforward system imaginable to set up independently. What a format panel is supposed to do is monitor how people are actually playing the game and ban cards when that reality diverges from a healthy play pattern. However unfortunately you could argue WotC is WORSE than Sheldon in this regard because they're completely spineless when it comes to any amount of community backlash right now, because they're trying to keep all their goodwill to spend on trying to make people buy 7 sets a year. This is how we get bullshit quotes like "Standard is flourishing" as red, then later Izzet control the entire format for literal years in a row. It's even worse in Commander because retards + expensive cards = mistaken assumption that banlists shouldn't occur.
Renowned narcissist Mark Rosewater has finally got what he always wanted, his own card gamehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-mood-swingsWill this mean he finally stops trying to fuck with the rules of Magic purely so he feels like it’s HIS game?Also>Mood SwingsOh my science that’s a yikes from me folks, references to mood swings is heckin problematic and very offensive to people with mental differences. #CancelMaRo on bluesky
>>97976045I’m capable of mourning the current state of Magic while still recognizing the good work that Mark has done over the years, and I’ve been paying attention long enough to know that he’s been noodling over this one for a good long while. Honestly happy for him.
>>97975612What happened to my big titty goth girl?
>>97976045>it's a new game>except it's not>and we're selling it as a Secret Lair
>>97975653This one as well.>syntax on scryfallFor some fucking reason, in:universesbeyond isn't recognized, so you have to in: each UB set>(in:fin or in:fic or in:fca or in:spm or in:acr or in:pip or in:rex or in:who or in:ltc or in:ltc or in:40k or in:clu or in:mar or in:tla or in:tle or in:tmt or in:tmc or in:afr or in:clb)Throws up some false positives from commander deck reprints--pretty damn sure Akroma's Will wasn't originally a UB card--but those are relatively easy to manually filter out.
>>97976310Because the tag is is:ub you fucking retard.
>>97976045The fact that a meek jewish game designer completely ravages your sanity every time he makes a movement is honestly impressive
>>97976324>not knowing the difference between is: and in:is: looks for a printing of a card that matches the condition.in: looks for a card that has ever had any printing that matches the condition.>st:commander is:boosterwill get you zero results, as there are no preconstructed commander products that are also in boosters>st:commander in:boosterwill return any printing from a commander product that is of a card that has ever been printed in a booster productAnd you call me the retard.
>>97976310>>97976371By means of demonstration, compare the results for>set:SOA,spg date=sos unique:prints (in:fin or in:fic or in:fca or in:spm or in:acr or in:pip or in:rex or in:who or in:ltc or in:ltc or in:40k or in:clu or in:mar or in:tla or in:tle or in:tmt or in:tmc or in:afr or in:clb)versus the results for>set:SOA,spg date=sos unique:prints is:ubIt’d be a hell of a lot easier to do>in:ubin the first case, but they don’t support it for some godforsaken reason.
>>97975612Photoshop her skin to be black and you have a good black female character.
>>97975620What’s black about this besides the cost?
>>97976219Tits are too ambitious and selfish to be white, pls understand
>>97975596>red snapcasterso this set really is "what if Planeshift but more unbalanced"? kinda lamebut on a hopefully happeir note, what decks in what formats are best poised to take advantage of the 4 extra copies of castermage? will Delver resurface after splashing red?
>>97976759black has sacrifice payoffs and needs bodies to sacrifice
>>97976827>haste is better than it having flashYou're not really making the antiUB crowd look so good pal.
>>97976935what part of that was "why did they make the card better"? my whole point is 4 copies of mainphase snapcaster can take a deck up to 8 total snapcasters, and you know what happens to decks when there's 2 or 3 different cards that do the same thing
what are the chances they reprint a bunch of the planeshift cards
>>97976980minimal, the old planeshift cards are too low power for current standard. i mean, jus tlook at this:scryfall.com/search?q=is%3Acolorshiftedthe only one of these that is powerful is Simian Spirit Guide but WotC hates fast mana
>>97975705>Brackets, or a drastically expanded banlistmy nigga
>>97976759What's white about it besides the cost? Both get 1/1 fliers.
>>97977053mana tithe in standard would be hilarious>tfw essence warden wouldn't see play
>>97975612FLAT
>>97976967Where you said>more unbalancedfurthermore you just said it's good, so I'm sure your original point in saying it was unbalanced was not to say it was bad you retard.
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>>97976206MaRo is responsible for companions and pushing the hybrid mana change in Commander. He has said before that when he first had to design for Commander he didn’t like it because he didn’t like the format being so popularThe man is a narcissist who wants Magic to be his legacy, and he’s a corporate stooge who will push anything his masters tell him to even if he thinks it’s bad for the game.He isn’t worthy of respect and I’m so tired of seeing people who are critical of WotC but speak of MaRo with reverence
the hexhaven schools look neat. selesnya sounds like simic for example
>>97977907>He has said before that when he first had to design for Commander he didn’t like itBased
>>97978409maybe maro was the good guy all along
>I knew they would try to calm down my design so I had to go absolutely crazy so the toned down version would still be crazy, so I went crazystraight from the Nosewater's mouth. he just admitted he tries to ruin the balance of the game on purpose live
>>97978371>the hexhaven schoolsRedpill me on this?
>>97978409>>97978445>omg guys it's so heckin based that a Magic designer didn't like Commander specifically because he was jealous that it was a more popular format than any he'd ever been involved in, and then instead of drawing a line and cashing in his chips after a 20 year career he worked to design cards for a format he didn't like because he's a corporate stooge!!!
>small titty happy white LilikinoHope she has a big ass
Guys I just realized that "Tolarian" is an anagram of "rational" and I feel like a fucking idiot
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>>97979533OooShame Ancestral Craving will literally never be a standalone card. 1 mana draw 3 is strictly better than every other black draw spell and life loss is meaningless. Village Rites is 1 mana sac a creature draw 2, for example
>>97979543So what are we looking at here?White Liliana and blue Chandra are easy. But then:>white Jace?>red Ajani?>white Vraska???>black Garruk?Seems very weird since I'm pretty sure Ajani's been in boros and Garruk's been in golgari
>>97979576Seems to be four color Jace
>>97979588>warp reality to power upOh please be color-matters please please please
>>97979576I would bet>mono-R Ajani (went full rage mode against Bolas)>mono-B Garruk (killed his universe's Liliana and took the Chain Veil)>Azorius Vraska
>>97979607There is an inherent problem in that Vraska and Garruk share green and have both been golgari, so even though there's 5 of them they don't neatly colorshiftI think I would have gone for a black Ajani, maybe a red vraska, and then have to double up for one of them so I guess Garruk can be blue like Chandra? Idk puts more characters out of their comfort zone, which is more interesting to me. I seriously think the fact Ajani and Garruk have been boros and golgari before means those colors should be off limits for them, but I guess it's too late now
>>97976206Such as?
>>97978445You seem to be unfamiliar with jewish tactics. The current commander design trend is precisely because he wants to destroy commander because it's not his
>>97979686I disagree. I don't think he wants to destroy it, he said he didn't like Commander back in like 2012 or some shit. He plays the format himself now. He doesn't hate it, but I think he does still seethe that he had nothing to do with its popularity and that it completely eclipsed the formats he did work on.No, I think he just wants to leave his grubby little fingerprints on it so he can feel in some way responsible for its success, and fucking with the rules is how he wants to do it.He has some weird fixation with hybrid mana, all companions were hybrid for example. Companions are on the record as his idea, and they're a blatant attempt to make Standard and other formats more like Commander. Maybe he thought that the commander itself was what made the format popular, we will never know. But between companions all being hybrid, and his attempts to change the hybrid rules, I just think it's clear he's a narcissist who cares about Magic being his legacy
>>97979543So, since they're printing the og versions in the set too (Torch of Defiance got spoiled) does that mean we will get JTMS in standard again?Wouldn't be too far fetched since he isn't even better than the new golgari walker.Also what versions do you think will they reprint for each walker?
soup /tg/ is this the lobstercon thread?pic related
>>97979919>troon>ACKer MANPottery
Do you think Hexhaven will have mascots, or is it just going to be Planar Chaos but the spells are on prepared creatures?
>>97980195Looking like the spells will be on prepared creatures >>97979533They're not going to dedicate like half the set to Srixhaven't, especially not the same year actual Strixhaven is printed. Sticking colorshifted cards onto prepared creatures kills 2 birds with one stone, they can effectively print twice as many cards and they can print retarded busted effects like Ancestral Craving with a bunch of drawbacks via the preparation mechanism
>>97979533Of all the fucking mechanics from the post-MotM era to bring back, they choose Prepared.On the other hand, does that make this Strixhaven block?
>>97979543Oh good they can waste his potential twice
>>97980255Keep up slowpoke.As part of RF there is "Hexhaven" which is colorshifted Strixhaven. It's all an excuse so they can put out busted cards like Ancestral Craving with a bunch of drawbacks>TECHNICALLY we printed Ancestral Recall in black!!!!!!When in reality they printed a 3 mana draw 3 lose 3 life that can only go off if 3 creatures died It'll still inexplicably be a $40 card despite having a steep hoop to jump through.
>>97980276I know, I'm just in denial that they'd actually call it Hexhaven and not have six houses.
>>97980289It doesn't even make sense considering strix means owl. They have printed many cards with "strix" in the name. I think they chose it literally because it has an X. They could have gone for any other animal associated with wizards, newts, toads. I guess Toadhaven sounds more like something from Bloomburrow, but I'm sure there's some retarded archaic word that means toad but sounds cool
>>97975681Only drag queens are allowed to have breasts and they have to be fake. Loot is giving them all masectomies. Look at the bazoongas Chandra used to have. We all know it's because men aren't allowed to enjoy gazing at things especially when those things are biological women.
>>97980316You will have to turn gay if you want to goon to Magic in [current year]
>>97980276So colorshifted Strixhaven will have the other five guilds I guess and also five new elder dragons?
Did Return to Strixhaven flop?
>>97980316Are these c or DD? I must know.
>>97980340Nope.
>>97980352That's thick leather over chainmail. You're looking at B-cup breasts at absolute max.
>>97980330More than likely it's going to work the exact same way it worked in Lorwyn and we're just going to get a cycle of Hexhaven cards. My guess is even that some of them will just be prepared creatures where the creature cost is 1 color and the prepared spell is the other.A reminded for anyone who struggles to remember the colorsStrixhaven, enemy colors>BW - orzhov>BG - golgari>GU - simic>UR - izzet>RW - borosHexhaven allied colors>UW - azorius>WG - selesnya>GR - gruul>RB - rakdos>BU - dimir
>>97980340supposedly the highest prerelease attendance ever, beating the previous record set by War of the Spark
>>97980520That's a lie 100%
>>97980520Which is wild since it's one of the worst limited environments ever designed, with some of the schools literally unplayable.It's a good power level set though. Seem nice niche fillers here and there. My shopping list for SOS is twice as long as it was for ECL because there's just so many little cards that have surprisingly effective abilities.Everyone's talking about Stingcaster being Snapcaster in blue, but Snapcaster in boros, anyone?
>>97980537who knows
>>97980543What's kind of depressing is that going by Q1 reporting, WotC is under the impression that they can have it all with UB. Enough new players (or scalpers) seem to buy UB to make each of those successful, and actual fans of Magic are spending more on in-universe sets because they want to show support for original IP. So even though a lot of players aren't buying UB and are trying to vote with their wallets on original IP, they're getting drowned out by outsiders and WotC is reading it as UB not having a negative effect on core players
>>97979533Fat - Fat - Fit(normal)paywall for non DEI art...>>97979543>White Jacegay>White Liliwould>Rakdos Ajaniok, looks nu-phyrexian>Blue ChandraLame>White-green (?) Vraskanot bad>Veil Chained GarrukCool>>97979588So jace is WURG?>>97979919>>97979940people should not be able to choose their own name.
>>97979588>four color slop
>>97975596Is Lord of the Pit UB because Summoned Skull is based off him?Just fuckin' with ya guys. Is there a recommended reading list for some of the novels? I imagine the Weatherlight got a bunch, anything else of note?
>>97980634Read that Brandon Sanderson one I guess. I don't know. I enjoy MtG lore but only through cards. I like seeing thematic cards that tell a story, I could not give less of a fuck about reading books on it
>>97980627What's funny about it is 5c precons have absolutely unplayable lands and they tend to get around it by putting a load of basic ramp spells and forests in there, and some green mana fixing enchantments.Wonder how they'll solve that problem with no green. My guess is they won't even bother. A Chromatic Lantern and done.
>>97980352>>97980365I would say somewhere between C or D>It's just the armor lmaoFuck off Loot
>>97980763Virgin. Look at the fucking chainmail. Look how thick it is. Now look at the leather. Look how thick that is.Now I want you to imagine putting thick chainmail and a leather cap on your head. Do you think it would make your head look bigger?While we’re here, how do you think you’d feel if you didn’t eat breakfast this morning?Can’t believe in wasting precious seconds of my life explaining to some brownoid that thick armor makes the things under the armor look bigger and bulkier.
>>97979533Weird that they're bringing back the prepared mechanic already. You'd think that they'd want to wait and see how the community and the meta responds to such a potentially strong new mechanic first.
>>97980811This was typed by Loot hands.
>>97980543I'm surprised they're publicly admitting this since they want to push the narrative that Magic has been on a constant upward growth spiral since UB was introduced
>>97979543>Both Chandras are ugly goblins>White Lilly looks ugly as fuckAt least Lilli has breasts slightly showing but they sure do look smaller than before. Only Garruk's bosoms have been spared it seems.
>>97980543I believe it. Strixhaven is popular with the Critical Role set, and there's another nerd set that desperately wants to interface with a magical school setting but feels they can't (openly) consume Harry Potter anymore for political reasons.
>>97980852See >>97980553Official party line at Hasbro is that UB isn’t scaring off the old player base and it’s bringing in lots of new players, so it’s a win-win.I doubt they want to explain to shareholders that UB is rotting on shelves at the LGS and is mostly being bought by scalpers speculating on something in the set going to the moon as it’s a pseudo-reserve-list
>>97979543>Garruk is black againBoooo, we spent a decade on that shit already. Make him Red or something. Ajani can be the Black one, he's already been Red before.
Is it okay if I post my Dandan pastebin here or is Arabian Nights considered UB?
>>97980876Funny joke, everybody laugh
>>97980876>>97980885I did.
>>97980888>but doctor, I am The Great Fagliacci!
>>97976045>people with mental differencesumm the currently accepted terminology is "people experiencing a difference of mentality", get with the times honey
>>97975596>we made Snappy black and gave Chandra a double mastectomySo this is the power of Universes Within...
>my 3 (three) SOS collector boxes came inI guess that's 1 to open myself, 1 to open with friends and 1 to sit on?
>>97981165Just sell them in a few years and buy singles. You won’t make your money back 90% of the time.
>>97979135it's can also be "rito anal" so if they meant one they knew the other. makes you think
>>97979723Seems like we actually agree then. What I mean by "destroy" is warping it beyond recognition like you described. You're spot on
>>97975612>Sasha Grey as Liliana Vesslollmao even
>>97979533>textless card for a new card that isnt a staple everyone knows ofthey never learn. why do they never learn?
>>97980842SOS and Reality Fracture were probably designed alongside each other to somewhat function as a "block" even though they'll be separated by another set (or two? I can't keep up with the release schedule)
>>97980541SoS is an excellent limited set and all the schools are playable. What did you get hosed at sealed prerelease and quit the format?
>>97982309Objective reality disagrees with you, sirhttps://mtgrocks.com/secrets-of-strixhaven-draft-data-reveals-multiple-unplayable-schools/
>>97977250and that's a GOOD thing
>>97981002Ummmm actually, you literal nazi, "experiencing" suggests that the difference of mentality might only be temporary and erases people for whom difference of mentality is permanent.The CORRECT term is "people of temporary or permanent mental difference whether diagnosed or undiagnosed"You may use PTPMDWDU+ for short
>>97982233It's "collector" slop. It's not meant to be played, it's meant to be rare so retards spend retarded money on it on the secondary market, thus boosting value of the set itself
>>97983282errrm, suggesting that people are DEFINED by a permanent condition or status, rather than simply being someone who permanently experiences it?way to slap permanent labels on people who may not want them, giving me the ick here!!>this state of back and forth will unironically continue unabated forever as people decide that a term we've been using for five years is now being used problematically and needs to change.
>>97983401>>97982233Paypig game
>>97980634Personally I enjoyed the alara and first zendikar ones, and the ones about yawgmoth’s rise and the brother’s war. The first 2 kamigawa books are also pretty good, but the third has too many kitschy moments for me
>>97983670Someone could write a book on the way professional language has completely ruined public discourse due to midwits obtaining it.Academic language and therapy language are both thrown around by absolute room-temp-IQs because they went to college/therapy and heard it, and now misuse it in an attempt to sound smarter than they are
I don't like planeswalkers.
Is nuChandra straight?
>>97984772Nobody is straight in modern mtg. Every character must be a nigger or a faggot or some combination of the two.
>>97980323I miss Fifth Dawn. What a great set.
>>97984772She is femme-presenting FtM transgender exclusively into masc-presenting MtFs, so close enough
Baral FUCKED blue Chandra
>>97984837Is this new lore?
>>97984752>>97984772>>97984788They'll never corrupt my OG Elspeth.
>>97984934Hot take "for the rest of the game" should never have been printed on any card.If an effect cannot be interacted with, it shouldn't exist.
>>97984969You had five turns to interact with her though... By then it's already turn 9 most of the time, and it's not an instant win-con.
>>97985353No. See that's the bullshit excuse everyone gives>just stop it before it happens!!!!!No, fuck that shit. Card games are not some ticking time bomb action movie. Some decks aren't equipped to prevent something from happening, maybe they are but they don't have the right cards, maybe they are but the other player has set things up in a way to be extremely difficult to prevent.If you cast that Elspeth with Doubling Season on the board, it comes in at fucking 8. What's anyone going to do about that? Should they have just read your mind and known that you played Doubling Season intending to Planeswalker ult next turn? Should they have conjured some fucking removal to hand and untapped the required mana to use it?Fuck that shit.And that's without even mentioning "for the rest of the game" effects on sorceries and other shit.Cards can have effects in live game zones, and they can be removed from those zones by other players, and that's the only sort of effect that should be possible.
>>97975596Thought that this was a thread that hated on Dimir...
>>97985902HAHA GET IT!?!? BECAUSE UB IS HOW BLUE+BLACK IS NOTED IN MAGIC DISCUSSION BECAUSE BLUE AND BLACK BEGIN WITH THE SAME LETTER- B!HAHAHAAAAA NO ONES EVER MADE THAT JOKE BEFORE! HOW DO YOU COME UP WITH THIS SHIT ANON!?!? :DD
>>97984934Art direction back around the 2010s was so much better than the slop we usually get today. Makes it so easy to save money by skipping almost every new card I see now.
I like it here because the recent drama doesn't exist.
>>97987169Not really a whole lot to say about it. It is UB related so you can blame LOTR for causing it.
>>97983238Your link disagrees with you, sir>While only three of Strixhaven’s six archetypes are ideal, it isn’t all bad news. Unlike MTG x TMNT, where the archetype discrepancies were massive, any of the Secrets of Strixhaven archetypes can be good when totally open. Thanks to this, if Converge and Aggro decks have a lot of competition, you can pivot to an open lane and draft a serviceable deck.White aggro and converge are the strongest but every school is playable. Headline oversells it.
